📚wiki-discussion

[cursive vigil]

oh

[cinder kestrel]

I have noticed https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Magnesium?redirect=no . Would you like me to import the rest of the redirects to the Cut Content article?

[agile spindle]

no

[cinder kestrel]

Magnesium is special?

I mean, I would rather not hurt its feelings.

[agile spindle]

Yes, it's temporarily there because the Speaker recipe has it for now

[cinder kestrel]

Alright, I will now replace all forty-one types of links, as determined by what subpages of Template:FaunaTable exist, from [[*Name*]] to {{FaunaLink|*Name*}} (and I will fix the remaining links after that initial pass), on all articles except for Fauna.

[agile spindle]

no

{{FaunaLink|*Name*}}

[cinder kestrel]

That look good?

[agile spindle]

yes

dont hit templates

[cinder kestrel]

But what if they deserve a good whacking? May I hit them then?

[edgy lagoon]

Yes.

[cinder kestrel]

Perfection (I hope):

[[Arctic Ray]]
[[Arrow Ray]]
[[Bladderfish]]
[[Blighter]]
[[Boneshark]]
[[Boomerang]]
[[Brinewing]]
[[Brute Shark]]
[[Chelicerate]]
[[Crashfish]]
[[Discus]]
[[Eyeye]]
[[Glow Whale]]
[[Hoopfish]]
[[Hover Lizard]]
[[Ice Dragon]]
[[Ice Worm]]
[[Lily Paddler]]
[[Nootfish]]
[[Pengling]]
[[Pengwing]]
[[Pinnacarid]]
[[Rabbit Ray]]
[[Rock Puncher]]
[[Rockgrub]]
[[Sea Emperor Leviathan]]
[[Sea Monkey]]
[[Sea Monkey Baby]]
[[Shadow Leviathan]]
[[Skyray]]
[[Snowstalker]]
[[Spinefish]]
[[Spinnerfish]]
[[Squidshark]]
[[Stalker]]
[[Symbiote]]
[[Titan Holefish]]
[[Triops]]
[[Trivalve]]
[[Ventgarden]]```

[agile spindle]

👍

[cinder kestrel]

So are you sure that we cannot just do something in MediaWiki:Wikia.css to have all the links apply the table effect? We already are using the .css to change the colors of links to moderators and admins, so it may be possible.

[agile spindle]

sounds risky

[summer kindle]

Seems like it would be harder to make exclusions with that

[agile spindle]

I'll look into it but for now change the links

[summer kindle]

I don’t think that’s worth looking into really. I much prefer having it as its own template.

[cinder kestrel]

Do you also want me to change links in infoboxes?

Either way, it is looking good.

Ah, I found something.

Alright, I think I found fixes for both issues.

[agile spindle]

shoot didn’t think of that

i can modify the template to fix that easily if your solution isn’t ideal

and yes, change links in infoboxes, tho fauna shouldn’t have any afaik

[cinder kestrel]

https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Template:FaunaLink?diff=25379&oldid=25077

That is my fix.

If I remember my work correctly, this is the only instance of a link to fauna being in an infobox:

[agile spindle]

kk that fix isn’t as clean as i was thinking but it works fine

[cinder kestrel]

Alright, that should be everything completed.

Unrelated: we use American English on the wikis, correct?

[fluid lagoon]

yes

[agile spindle]

either one works

it really doesn’t matter

[summer kindle]

https://gyazo.com/11a3f1f7dc8dbbc607eb5693ea649c7d

[agile spindle]

hey were anti free speech right

[cinder kestrel]

We defy many of the policies FANDOM suggests, so I suppose so.

"if you put in a few more hours into the biomes, you may finish them."

@ Obraxis#1701 Just go ahead and finish the biomes already, this random guy says you can.

And are there really "more than 6 sea emproroers [sic]"?

[agile spindle]

no

there are 3

[cinder kestrel]

Wow, the article was right and the random user was wrong, who would have guessed?

[agile spindle]

if i’ve learned one thing from my years as an editor it’s that an alarming number of people are illiterate

[cinder kestrel]

How many people in third world countries do you think pass primary school?

[agile spindle]

i mean most of our user base is probably american

[summer kindle]

what is going on in here

[cinder kestrel]

Between 0% and 100% is correct.

[agile spindle]

making fun of people being wrong in the comments of an article they’re wrong about

[cinder kestrel]

So, with first world countries being overall crazier, we can expect that the FANDOM policies that are suggested do not work for us, although they work for many other wikis.

[agile spindle]

what policies

[cinder kestrel]

I mean Help articles that give advice on how communities should manage themselves.

For example, https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Brandon_Rhea/Tips_for_being_a_great_admin#Admins_should_be_friendly_guides , compared to your message https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:12698 .

Anyway, I probably am about to go on vacation for a couple of days, so try not to require the bot.

[agile spindle]

that is me serving the community

by requiring a certain level of quality from our content

@late island just making sure you’re aware the glacial basin images aren’t uploaded

[late island]

yeah hold on

getting to it

[agile spindle]

can we make a pop up that makes you double check links if they’re in single bracket format

[link text] is only used for non-fandom links and it pisses me off when people can’t write [[Prawn Suit]] correctly

[cinder kestrel]

https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Editnotice-0 is my first idea.

[agile spindle]

that links is a nonexistent page

[cinder kestrel]

Yes, because you have not created it yet.

Observe:

Appears right above the edit box.

[cursive vigil]

lol this is supposed to be the subnautica wiki discussion, not minecraft 😂

[agile spindle]

https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/User:Youles007

this avatar is borderline

[edgy lagoon]

I mean personally I think it's fine, though quite a bit revealing, but this IS a PG wiki so I would say remove it for that reason.

Not my place to talk though.

[agile spindle]

Doesn't seem like I'm even able to change their avatar. lol

Thanks, Fandom

[summer kindle]

I mean yeah

That profile spans multiple wikis, idk what you expected

[agile spindle]

well, then

thats a blockeroni i guess

[hallow basalt]

bewbs

[agile spindle]

https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Timed_Events

I wasn't aware this page existed

[edgy lagoon]

Whoever made the list made it look odd

Like the sub-headers for Radio Signals aren't even under the parent name.

[agile spindle]

they are

[edgy lagoon]

I more meant visually

[agile spindle]

We can't control header size

[edgy lagoon]

Ah, I see

[agile spindle]

why is solar eclipse under radio signals

this whole page is worthless

[edgy lagoon]

Is the page even necessary?

Like these are all covered elsewhere aside from Solar Eclipses

[agile spindle]

it isnt

ill delete it later if no one pipes up

[edgy lagoon]

I see no reason anyone would

[agile spindle]

me neither but this is a democratic discord channel

[edgy lagoon]

That meaning political party or a adjective for Democracy?

[agile spindle]

That meaning we make decisions together

with multiple opinions considered

[edgy lagoon]

Okay so adjective version of Democracy, got it.

[stuck pawn]

Probably best to delete it
I forgot it existed

[cinder kestrel]

I thought this was an oligarchy.

An oligarchy has a few ruling many; a democracy has many ruling many.

[agile spindle]

we consider everyone's opinions

many of the features I've been trying to implement are from community suggestions

[cinder kestrel]

Hmm.

[edgy lagoon]

`Least you consider things others request.

Some people just brush what others say aside

Oh, you know, I wonder where I put the Subnautica files

There's some dialogue I can place files for

Someone just put a link to an ogg file and didn't bother setting up the custom playbox.

[agile spindle]

you shouldnt have to set up the custom playbox

when you link an ogg file the CSS is set up to do it automatically

[edgy lagoon]

Hm

[agile spindle]

What page is that on exactly?

[cinder kestrel]

Which wiki—if it matters.

[agile spindle]

Because, on the Dialogue page it looks fine for me

[edgy lagoon]

Really?

[agile spindle]

yeh

[edgy lagoon]

Hm

That's really odd, it just isn't working on my end

[agile spindle]

Are none of them working or just that particular file?

Hold on, I see it now, I was looking at the wrong file

[edgy lagoon]

Yea it's just that one

No others

[agile spindle]

hm

it looks fine on the HTML side

it's a .wav

thats the problem

[edgy lagoon]

Why did they upload a .wav with a .ogg extension lmao

[agile spindle]

i havent a clue

there works fine now

[edgy lagoon]

Yep

Nice job mate

Now to keep searching for those cyclops lines

[edgy lagoon]

So just wanted to check here before I did anything drastic

Would it be okay for me to split the Seabase and Cyclops dialogue from the "Standard Dialogue" section to their own separate sections?

Mostly because there's a lot more cyclops dialogue and it looks kinda odd to have it just mixed in.

[agile spindle]

sure

[edgy lagoon]

Gottcha. Thanks. If anyone does have a problem, feel free to tag me.

If I was to make a link say something other than the actual link, is it like this: [[Cyclops|Cyclops']]?

[agile spindle]

yes

except in the case of plurality, in which case [[Gasopod]]s works better

[edgy lagoon]

Thanks

[agile spindle]

you are uploading files from the Subnautica file, not the Below Zero file right?

[edgy lagoon]

Yes from Subnautica Files.

Haven't extracted below zero files yet

Tueman can you delete files?

[agile spindle]

i can

[edgy lagoon]

One of the ones I uploaded has extra dialogue attached for some reason.

[agile spindle]

link it

[edgy lagoon]

https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/File:CyclopsFlank.ogg

[agile spindle]

If you go to the arrow next to edit there is a replace button

[edgy lagoon]

Oh

Okay let me edit the file real quick

[agile spindle]

also https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Special:MultipleUpload

[edgy lagoon]

are you kidding me tueman

Also I replaced it

[agile spindle]

if only our navbar was actually used

[edgy lagoon]

Huh

It is there

I'm just dumb

Anyone happen to know the name of the file for the Cavitating dialogue?

Both of the ones I found are incorrect.

[edgy lagoon]

Okay I've added multiple sounds to the Cyclops section, as well as published the results.

I'll add the rest, create the Seabase section, and update other audio files tomorrow, as I have to go to bed.

I was also considering replacing this image;

with the more recent in-game custom ones.

But that's for tomorrow if I do.

And of course I'd need approval.

[agile spindle]

i think vivi handles the dialogue page

so ask him when he's on tomorrow

[edgy lagoon]

Not to seem rude, but are you sure anyone does? A lot of these ones missing files were from as far back as the Cyclops Overhaul update.

Some even further back.

[agile spindle]

He handled the dialogue page for BZ at least

and they are kind of the same, so

https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/File:Log-128.png

this is the one he's using on the BZ wiki

[edgy lagoon]

I will chat with him if I can then.

[cinder kestrel]

But we disabled the chat.

[agile spindle]

.-.

believe it or not SLS, chat does not only refer to the fandom feature

[edgy lagoon]

[cinder kestrel]

But I thought FANDOM was life, and we want to see past it—just as the Almanac see past physical existence (but are not above it).

[agile spindle]

god is there not a single website that lets me convert sound files without caring about money

damned capitalism

oh sweet i found one

[edgy lagoon]

I was using a nice free ome a minute ago. Even let you do multiple at once.

[agile spindle]

I used to use one that let me do 10 at a time

now it moves me to a different page if i try to do more than 10 instead of just ignoring the additionals

trust me I do not want to count out 10 each time when I have to convert over 100 files for the goddamn penguins

So I found one that let me do all of them at once

it has 14 squeaks

fourteen goddamn squeaks

[edgy lagoon]

I mean, at least it's more than one.

[agile spindle]

Some sound files end with the letters os

what does that mean?

[edgy lagoon]

Hm

Compare them, maybe a slight difference?

[agile spindle]

the one that doesnt say os is just water sounds

[edgy lagoon]

What

Audio Files confuse me

[agile spindle]

There's an idle and 7 idle os files

idle is just water sounds

the others are like groaning

[edgy lagoon]

Is this still for the penguin lmao

[agile spindle]

no, spike trap

[edgy lagoon]

Ah makes sense

Wait why does it have water sounds

[agile spindle]

Squidshark also had some os sounds

but i didnt compare them

[edgy lagoon]

[agile spindle]

kk we're done with all BZ fauna sounds (and spikeytrap)

unfortunately back in SN the sound team didn't name their files very well and they're all kind of named the same things

or they reused sounds

there's really no way to know which sound belongs to what creature[s] unless i was to compare them to their ingame sounds

which sounds like a major pain in the back door

[cinder kestrel]

A website? How about a program you download? It'll probably be better (or worse).
https://www.google.com/search?q=downloadable+wav+to+ogg+converter

[agile spindle]

the site i found works fine

have you started spring break already sls?

[cinder kestrel]

Yes.

[agile spindle]

wow mine isn’t for a month or two

[proven sierra]

My spring break was 3 weeks ago... (at least it was my college's. the schools around here had their break 2 week ago)

[edgy lagoon]

Mine isn't for three weeks.

Counting this one.

@agile spindle I've noticed the same thing, audio file names can be so wierd.

[lyric tapir]

hallo

[cursive vigil]

I'm having a brainfart, the planet is named 4546B right?

[frail dragon]

Yes

[cursive vigil]

Alright, thanks.

[fluid lagoon]

why did you not just use the wiki

[cursive vigil]

the internet loads so slow

and it's a tiny question so that also costs less typing

[agile spindle]

but it costs us more typing

[cursive vigil]

you're right, typing 3 letters make me tired so much... my fingers can barely move...

[agile spindle]

yes but the backlash from asking the question has cost us both more typing than if he had just used the wiki

[onyx flower]

May I suggest not berating people asking questions, but nicely answering them and then also forwarding them towards the wiki for such future questions?

[agile spindle]

usually if we answer one question they ask more in here

i’ve found its better to link a direct source first

[cursive vigil]

wait what, tueman doesn't do such bad things

or did i never notice it

[agile spindle]

in the bz chat i’m generally chill

[slender grotto]

As someone who has been around garbage internet, it is always faster to ask on a chat program than do an internet search.

[cursive vigil]

yeah internet loads so slow

[slender grotto]

That's why Facebook/Facebook messenger always works pretty darn nicely even if you have the worst internet in the world.

[cursive vigil]

even slower than my grandparents' cat climbing up the stairs

he is so fat and cute

[agile spindle]

this is why i prefer questions not to be asked here

because now we’re way off topic

[edgy lagoon]

How about them audio files

Did you get them sorted right?

[agile spindle]

no lol

i’m not gonna bother with that anytime soon

[edgy lagoon]

Lmao

When I get home and shower, I'll finish reorganizing the Dialouge page.

Got just about all the audio files ready to upload.

[cursive vigil]

what is a wiki keep role exactly? a wiki admin?

[slender grotto]

Wiki keepers. The keeper of all the lore.

In games, normally, you have lore keepers. I assume this is what they do. They record all of the lore from the world and put it down on the wiki page for all to read.

Because books are dead.

[cursive vigil]

and school still uses books....

i hate school so much

ok this is getting ot

[edgy lagoon]

The wiki keepers act as moderators.

[slender grotto]

But... We already have moderators.

Devwatchers.

[edgy lagoon]

Mods for the wiki.

[cursive vigil]

i guess theyre for the wiki

[slender grotto]

Ah.

[cursive vigil]

devwatchers watch dev streams

[edgy lagoon]

Devwatchers aren't mods lmao

[cursive vigil]

moderators are just moderators

[slender grotto]

Oh. There they are. So you are right.

All... 6 of them. XD

[cursive vigil]

and i've hear that jr mods are -18 mods

[swift vault]

why is there only one bird

it has no need to be a bird creature

[paper flare]

no

vee isn't 18 yet

[slender grotto]

Well, let me know when she does. Just kidding. ;P

[paper flare]

when she does

what

[slender grotto]

Whoosh

[paper flare]

what

[slender grotto]

That's the sound of the joke going right over your head. Probably for the best. It was very mildly inappropriate.

[cursive vigil]

i meant jr mods are under 18, i guess i was not very clear

[paper flare]

i see what you mean, let's not

[slender grotto]

See?

[cursive vigil]

i hate it that some people offend girls in this server

[agile spindle]

jesus with you two

this channel is for wiki discussion

[cursive vigil]

OoOHHhhOh

you said the J-word!

[agile spindle]

shouldn’t feather fish be one page

why did we make two

[cursive vigil]

yup

[summer kindle]

They have different colourations and different models

The models have slight variations. They may be given separate entries in game

[edgy lagoon]

What does <br /> do?

[summer kindle]

break in the text

does

this

[edgy lagoon]

Couldn't you just... use return? Or am I dumb?

[summer kindle]

it gets rid of gaps that aren't filled

[edgy lagoon]

Oh, okay.

[agile spindle]

lava lizards have different variations

and ghost leviathans are different sizes but they still have one page

[summer kindle]

Lava Lizards can switch between those variations

those are forms

[agile spindle]

okay, then trivalve

[summer kindle]

Ghost Levs are identical in all aspects aside from size

Trivalve has no model differences

[agile spindle]

the two colors look almost identical

i can’t see any difference at a glance

[summer kindle]

there are

[agile spindle]

they’re probably gonna have exactly the same behavior

you really want to have two pages where the only difference is pictures?

[summer kindle]

they would have the exact same behaviour

in the end it usually comes down to whether they are separate scannables

[agile spindle]

ghost leviathans are separate scannable

[summer kindle]

that is true

but also

red eyeye and eyeye

magmarang and boomerang

those are better comparisons to the featherfish

[agile spindle]

they spawn in different places

[summer kindle]

and you are assuming that the featherfish will not

[agile spindle]

yeah, i am assuming that

they’re making both at the same time

[summer kindle]

Which means they have to be placed in the exact same locality by what logic?

[agile spindle]

yeah probably

they haven’t mentioned otherwise

and ghost leviathans spawn in different places

[summer kindle]

you're not helping

[agile spindle]

also they have the same names

your examples do not

What we know of the names are the same

[summer kindle]

Ok and if they end up as creatures living in different biomes with different entries?

[agile spindle]

then we separate them later

and i will gift you a free discord quote of your choice

probably

[fluid lagoon]

🤔

[summer kindle]

yes

[agile spindle]

Okay they have the exact name

There's no way we have them on different pages without confusing the bajeezus out of people

[edgy lagoon]

Which file would the "Thirty Seconds" oxygen sound be found in?

[agile spindle]

probably player

[edgy lagoon]

I guess I could try extracting tools

Then what would the name be?

[agile spindle]

How have you been getting the files?

[edgy lagoon]

Can't find it

Extraction from the base game

[agile spindle]

which means...

[edgy lagoon]

I'm manually extracting them with a program

[agile spindle]

from where

[edgy lagoon]

Where is the program from?

[agile spindle]

where is the programming extracting the files from

[edgy lagoon]

\Subnautica\Subnautica_Data\StreamingAssets

It's worked so far

[agile spindle]

well those are the only sound files

so

[edgy lagoon]

I haven't extracted them all yet though

[crystal badger]

feather fish red

[edgy lagoon]

I've done this many so far

[crystal badger]

FEATHER FISH RED

[edgy lagoon]

Why are you repeating that

[crystal badger]

its name

is funnt

funny

[edgy lagoon]

Yes but then why are you saying that in the wiki channel and not the general bz channel

[crystal badger]

cuz i want to know anythinga about it

[agile spindle]

Yes but then why are you saying that in the wiki channel and not the general bz channel

[crystal badger]

xd

[edgy lagoon]

@agile spindle Important question: is there a beep before the thirty seconds effect?

[agile spindle]

yes

[edgy lagoon]

kk

Does the thrity seconds audio file even play?

I swear it has not played once through my testing.

[agile spindle]

fairly certain it does

[edgy lagoon]

Do you have the files extracted

[agile spindle]

I have the BZ ones

[edgy lagoon]

Damnit

Wait

Wait a moment

Is the thirty seconds one in the BZ files too?

[agile spindle]

probably

[edgy lagoon]

Does the base still say "Hull breach detected" when it's leaking?

I think that was removed like ages ago

I just want to be sure

[agile spindle]

i have no idea

test it

@hallow basalt can I delete the data downloads page?

[late island]

@agile spindle What's with the new Featherfish names?

That what they're called now?

[agile spindle]

They're both Feather fish in game

And since bippity is anti-combining the pages I figured feather fish 01 and feather fish 02 was too confusing

[late island]

Oh yeah they're in now

I should get some pics

[edgy lagoon]

I swear someone categorized these files so odd

There's habitat sounds in the seamoth file

[agile spindle]

try looking at the creature sounds

christ

[edgy lagoon]

Nah they would have came up in my searches

I'm gonna do constructor and fabricator

If the seamoth sounds are there

[agile spindle]

No i mean

The creature sounds are so badly organized

from SN that is

[edgy lagoon]

jesus christ what is this

[agile spindle]

IDLE 1

IDLE 2

they're for different creatures

kills self

[edgy lagoon]

They don't even have names how do I know what creature it's for

[agile spindle]

exactly

thats why im holding off

[edgy lagoon]

Th... there's just a file named track 18 mixed in that says:
"When a player reachs concentrated enzymes they're cured. Play normal cure sound in here, along with some inspirational music."
It's just a text to speech voice saying that and that's it.

why is the fire audio file stored in the music file what is this

I seriously cannot find the seamoth's welcome aboard message

I know it exists, I heard it in game.

[paper flare]

it does exist

[edgy lagoon]

None of the five copies of the base power down audio have the oxygen production offline part to them

And I can't find it elsewere

[summer kindle]

because the fire audio file is Abandon Ship

[agile spindle]

isnt that a soundtrack

[summer kindle]

does the feather fish have nutritional values yet

[agile spindle]

If I remember the tooltip correctly, no

[edgy lagoon]

Actually the "Abandon Ship" file name is just "xbox hype music.wav"

The fire audio file I'm talking about is legit just a fire sound effect.

Oh also my changes to the Dialogue Page just went live

I've still got a lot more to do but I've basically done a bit

[agile spindle]

so uh

on the subject of dialogue

The dialogue in SN was recorded all in one file i believe

but in BZ each line has an individual file

not sure how to put that on the page without it taking an insane amount of space

[edgy lagoon]

You could mash it all together, but that takes a bit of time.

[agile spindle]

id rather not edit the files

[summer kindle]

can you not just stick them together

makes a lot more sense

[agile spindle]

I don't want to edit the files

[summer kindle]

why

[agile spindle]

cause then we arent uploading the original files

[edgy lagoon]

I would do it myself but I've yet to extract the files.

[agile spindle]

I'll find a way to do it without changing the files

[agile spindle]

looks like vivi actually combined all the files together for each dialogue

i hate it but im not gonna waste time doing it differently

[hallow basalt]

@agile spindle you can delete the data downloads page if you want. I've moved the important stuff already.

[cinder kestrel]

While I read the wiki on my phone, as (assuming FANDOM is completely trustworthy) the majority of viewers do:
Note: If you wish to look for a specific databank entry here, it is highly recommended you hit Ctrl + F and type in the exact name of the entry or its contents for easy finding.
— https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Data_Downloads

[agile spindle]

obviously that doesnt apply to them

[cinder kestrel]

But it applies to me, and I am the center of the universe.

At least, that's how the amusement park I just went to tried to make me feel.

Trust the ads.

It's also my unbirthday.

[hallow basalt]

mm don't like the sound of that

[cinder kestrel]

https://www.google.com/search?q=unbirthday
Unbirthday≠birthday, and vice versa.

I am not being unborn. That is not a requirement for being "born again."

Happy unbirthday.

[edgy lagoon]

cough cough wiki channel cough cough

[cinder kestrel]

I will make you a wiki keeper, then.

[agile spindle]

dont

[cinder kestrel]

On my own server . . .

[hallow basalt]

my minecraft server

[edgy lagoon]

The fact that the base power down sound doesn't have the "Oxygen production offline" part attached physically hurts me

The way these files are named, I feel like I'll never find that one

[agile spindle]

whatever god created PUA deserves to be recognized

they're actually naming files in BZ as if they aren't drunk

sfx_creature_trivalve_pet_01

it's like music to my eyeballs

complicated process

[frail dragon]

I think in unity each audio file is in a certain folder

But when it’s compiled it’s all together

So like Audio/Peeper/Swim/swim1

[agile spindle]

depends how they set it up

[frail dragon]

And “music to my eyeballs” lol

[agile spindle]

no you dont

[cinder kestrel]

Failed.

Oh, well.

So, nice weather in Below Zero.

Do we have much information on it?

[agile spindle]

there are about 8 weather commands but only 3 of them do anything unique or appear naturally

they are planned

dunno

if youre gonna keep asking BZ questions go to #below-zero-chat

[edgy lagoon]

So, completely random question of literally no importance. What are the requirements of being a wiki keeper?

[agile spindle]

being on the wiki for a long time and being liked

or uh

tolerated

[edgy lagoon]

damn I don't qualify for the second one

[frail dragon]

Am I untolerated?

[cinder kestrel]

Literally no importance.

So you say.

[agile spindle]

lee you dont edit much

[frail dragon]

I used to edit a lot but idk what happened

[agile spindle]

wasnt that for like a week

[frail dragon]

It was before Below Zero came out

Vee remembers

[fluid lagoon]

lee is permanently not allowed to get wiki keeper solely because of the double BZ wiki debacle

[agile spindle]

the wha

[edgy lagoon]

Seems fair.

[fluid lagoon]

he made his own BZ wiki

[agile spindle]

why

[edgy lagoon]

Yes I remember that

[frail dragon]

Oh yeah that

[agile spindle]

having multiple wikis to manage sounds real annoying, glad we dealt with it quickly and efficiently

[cinder kestrel]

Half-sarcastic?

[summer kindle]

Trying to get the monopoly on the BZ wiki when he didn’t realise he was like 3 months late

[edgy lagoon]

So just to be clear, there's no, like, official way to apply then @agile spindle? You just kinda gotta work up to the point of which you can ask for it and receive?

[summer kindle]

Also tueman that’s not even comparable

[agile spindle]

when we think you deserve it we'll give you the role

[edgy lagoon]

Hmm

Okay

Remember these questions are of zero significance

[fluid lagoon]

haha yes totally

[summer kindle]

Below Zero significance

Can I be hired now

[agile spindle]

i dont think anyones whos asked for the role after editing for a few days has ever stuck around

[edgy lagoon]

I mean I always stalk the wiki when I'm in class doing work. I like to check other's edits a lot.

Gives me something to do.

[agile spindle]

im not referring to anyone in particular

[edgy lagoon]

Cause it ain't blocked at my school, so it's a like the one of few things I can look at.

Your agreeing with me a lot here

[agile spindle]

all of the main editors currently bring something important to the table that the others dont

[cinder kestrel]

I have a bot.

Which is still a higher rank than me.

[edgy lagoon]

Hm. Well damn, I ain't got no skills.

Lmao

[cinder kestrel]

You can type.

[summer kindle]

I don’t have any skills either I just let everyone else do the things

[cinder kestrel]

You can also type.

[fluid lagoon]

i exist sometimes

[agile spindle]

you write a lot of appearances

[summer kindle]

However

[cinder kestrel]

But the bot has the Admin role. I just have Moderator.

[frail dragon]

Every time i try to edit the wiki I can’t word my sentences correctly

[cinder kestrel]

It carries me.

[summer kindle]

Appearance sections are mostly useless because
People have eyes

[agile spindle]

you also do design sections

[edgy lagoon]

I mean I can type grammatically correct sentences.

[frail dragon]

I usually use a lot of descriptive and professional sounding words but I can never think of what to say

[summer kindle]

My one achievement is the custom page backgrounds

[frail dragon]

Well use isn’t the right word

Think of is

[cinder kestrel]

Employ?

[agile spindle]

custom backgrounds are amazing tho

[edgy lagoon]

I hate myself

Is this really worth a whole edit?

To remove a goddamn H?

[summer kindle]

Well

Yes

[stuck pawn]

why would it not be

[edgy lagoon]

Welp guess I'm removing the H

[frail dragon]

Wait for the sizeref command description on the wiki it says “spawns a wasabi one diver” or something
I just accidentally clicked on some guy in the discord server named Wasabi One
Is that worth noting or anything

[cinder kestrel]

@fluid lagoon You accomplish a lot for the wiki beyond sometimes existing. For example, remember https://discordapp.com/channels/85342800492634112/200710164934819840/560296668327575563 ?

[summer kindle]

It’s named after him Lee

[fluid lagoon]

remember what

[cinder kestrel]

I can resign now.

(Click link)

[fluid lagoon]

no

[summer kindle]

But the Wasabi One diver doesn’t exist anymore

[fluid lagoon]

i am one with the olden ways

[cinder kestrel]

You are smart. You keep wiki alive.

See? Useful.

[frail dragon]

Ik

[agile spindle]

vee does emails

[frail dragon]

Maybe trivia or something

[cinder kestrel]

That, too.

[summer kindle]

If you see any reference to the Wasabi One diver just replace it with sizeref

Or size reference model

[edgy lagoon]

I can imagine the passive aggressive Vee Emails now.

[agile spindle]

despite vees flaws her email writing is spectacular

[fluid lagoon]

what flaws

[summer kindle]

flawless

[agile spindle]

all of them

[frail dragon]

I think the size ref model has words on it that says Wasabi One

Idk what exactly you’re tying to say tho

[summer kindle]

It did once. No longer

Used to have a different model

[frail dragon]

I could’ve sworn I saw it on there

[edgy lagoon]

This one doesn't even occur anymore, correct?

[agile spindle]

test it

[cinder kestrel]

I have The Silmarillion in front of me (reads sort-of like a history textbook), and I am on my phone—during vacation.

See? The bot does not carry me.

https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/The_Silmarillion

[stuck pawn]

read it

[cinder kestrel]

In some perspectives, it is extremely boring.

[summer kindle]

Excuse me SLS this is wiki chat

[agile spindle]

Yeah, SLS

[cinder kestrel]

You're excused, get out of here.
Anyway, remember when I made it relevant?

I connected it to being important.

Important to the wiki.

See? The bot does not carry me.
Absolutely on-topic. Because I say so, because the universe revolves around me, because—you get the idea.

[agile spindle]

Well sometimes I ask for your help with HTML stuff

so, there ya go

[frail dragon]

Wiki chat is more active than ever

[cinder kestrel]

And now, I am going to go find a suggestion for the wiki to minimize the impact of my distractions.

[frail dragon]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen several people are typing in this channel before though

[edgy lagoon]

It's rare.

But I've seen it.

[cinder kestrel]

Can't we just ship the sound files as a whole to FANDOM and have them convert and upload them for us?

[agile spindle]

wouldnt that be so easy

[cinder kestrel]

Wait, why do we convert file types?

[agile spindle]

if we had everything in one place and didnt have to upload multiple times

[cinder kestrel]

Wait, they're originally .wav, aren't they?

[agile spindle]

yeah

[cinder kestrel]

Okay.

[agile spindle]

we convert them to OGG

[cinder kestrel]

I thought I had another question.

[agile spindle]

did you?

[cinder kestrel]

I did: will you need more Fauna Table link changes, then?

[agile spindle]

Not currently

[edgy lagoon]

I tell ya, it's difficult to convert this many files of dialogue.

[agile spindle]

I'll need more tooltip links but not fauna

[cinder kestrel]

Foreshadowing.

[agile spindle]

flora and biome, specifically

but they are not set up yet

[agile spindle]

https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Flora_Species_17

we should name this one

it's called generic plant in the files but I dont like referring to it as plant 17

[cursive vigil]

it looks like a grassy shroom

grasshroom?

[cinder kestrel]

There is definitely a pattern of trees in the description.

[little wolf]

I say since it looks kinda like a mushroom tree

So fungus tree?

[cinder kestrel]

This species appears as a tree-like plant with a trunk made up by a transparent purple structure which forms a thick layer around a thin stem. Wrapped around the purple core is a thick whitish-grey coating with several large holes in it. It appears to act as a sort of bark. The trunk is thin at the base and widens to a flat top. On the flat top of the trunk is a hemispheric mass of thin leaf-like structures that are bright pink at the base, transitioning to a bluish-white.

[little wolf]

Gel tree?

It does look like the core is a gel like material

[cinder kestrel]

The Tue Tree.

It is time we incorporate the wiki keepers directly into the game.

[agile spindle]

I was thinking something simple based on visible characteristics

Like Purple Tree

[cinder kestrel]

I will take a Leviathan.
And no simplicity, if you dare ask my opinion.

(So don't, if you like your name)

[agile spindle]

what?

[little wolf]

What should we call these then?
https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Frozen_River_Plant_02
https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Frozen_River_Plant_01

[cinder kestrel]

If you want me to give an opinion, I will use a more thoughtful name.

[little wolf]

Yeah

[agile spindle]

Second one should be Vase Plant

simple names guys

[little wolf]

Sam kinda has a good mame for seccond one

or atleast 01

[agile spindle]

The names should all be x plant or x tree

until they give us an official name

[cinder kestrel]

The 02 reminds me of Jordi's Tung and Pyrocoral.

[little wolf]

Seccond one kinda looks lile a combination of grass and kelp

[cinder kestrel]

For 02,
Frozen Tung?
Frozen Jordi?

[agile spindle]

are you guys not grasping the simple name concept

[cinder kestrel]

I do not want to.

[agile spindle]

grasp it

[little wolf]

We also have the giant mushrooms https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Large_Flora_(Unnamed)

[agile spindle]

they’re not mushrooms

[little wolf]

They’re not mushrooms?

[agile spindle]

they don’t look like mushrooms

they look more like flowers

[little wolf]

Yeah I can agree with that

[late island]

I'd prefer to stay as close as we can to official names for the plants

[agile spindle]

yeah but we shouldn’t be having numbers in their names

[cinder kestrel]

Dinotree.

[late island]

SLS what

[agile spindle]

if you want to do that the purple tree would be Generic Plant

[cinder kestrel]

That does sound fun, though . . .

[late island]

Generic Plant (Unnamed)

That feels like the best option if you don't want the numbers

[agile spindle]

well

it’s better than numbers i suppose

what about the frozen river plants?

[late island]

We don't have anything better for them

[little wolf]

Theres also the boomerang subspecies

But it makes sense to call them icerangs

[late island]

So we leave them

[agile spindle]

what are their names in the files?

[late island]

The only name we have for those is the one from the files

which is the name on the wiki

[little wolf]

We’ll have to wait until devs adds a scan information for them

[agile spindle]

the problem with numbers is that average players won’t know which number corresponds to them

[late island]

Well they wouldn't know any other name either

[agile spindle]

they need to be different somehow

[late island]

same thing with the purple tree. It's not like changing the name makes it easier to find

[agile spindle]

generally they would type in a descriptor for it

yeah, purple tree

easy to find

easy to remember

[late island]

well we aren't calling it that

[agile spindle]

okay but the frozen river plants should have different names

[late island]

we don't have any different names

[little wolf]

Well there was a suggestion for the vase looking one as “snowvase”

[agile spindle]

so we make one based on physical characteristics

[late island]

we aren't making up names

[agile spindle]

i’m not suggesting a full on in lore name

just something simple like, “Green Plant”

[late island]

Not sure if that's much better than the current one

[agile spindle]

like where did we get Large Flora from

[little wolf]

No idea

[cinder kestrel]

They are large flora, I guess.

[agile spindle]

That’s a name based on physical characteristics

[cinder kestrel]

Whoa.

[late island]

If we had any other name it wouldn't be that

[agile spindle]

no different from Green Plant

[little wolf]

(Even though it’s a temporary name until it’s added)

[agile spindle]

yeah but i’m saying there’s nothing wrong with calling it something descriptive until we have an official name

[late island]

eh

green plant isn't exactly descriptive though

and besides you could consider the current names something official

[agile spindle]

I don’t

[late island]

they're as official as the names for the other generic plants like cage and spine

[agile spindle]

ribbon plant is called generic ribbon in the files

those guys have descriptive file names though

if you don’t like green plant we can do something different

Like “Breach Plant” and “Vase Plant”

[late island]

Not sure if that's any better

[agile spindle]

i think people think of a vase when they look at it

but the artist described it as a jug so maybe Jug Plant?

[little wolf]

Frost jug?

(That sounded better in my head)

[agile spindle]

simple

names

what about “Green Frozen River Plant (Unnamed)” and “Frozen River Jug Plant (Unnamed)”

[little wolf]

Good enough for temporary names

[late island]

I really think the current names are fine for now

[agile spindle]

well they aren’t gonna get official names

you can’t have the scanner at the frozen river

[edgy lagoon]

No

[agile spindle]

oh yea you can

[edgy lagoon]

Wait what?

[summer kindle]

Also doesn’t mean they’re not going to be elsewhere.

The glacial basin has several frozen rivers

Why would the frozen river plants be exclusive to that one river

[agile spindle]

the green one is too short to fit in the glacial basin

it pokes through the river but the rivers are pretty deep

i guess it could appear

but when i’m editing the pages figuring out which is which is gonna be a pain in the ass with their current names

[little wolf]

They might make the glacial bins rivers not that deep or the bottem not visual at all

[agile spindle]

also if they put them there then those names don’t fit anyway

[edgy lagoon]

So I'm actually starting to think they cut unused sounds to make the used sounds.

I cannot find the actual food message that just says "Calorie intake recommended" but I found an older, longer file with that at the end.

[agile spindle]

sounds like more work than cutting it and uploading the file

[late island]

The green one could fit in the Glacial Basin

both of them could

[edgy lagoon]

That's the odd part tueman

I cannot find a single one of the food or water files, but I'm finding ones that have segments that sound exactly like them.

[agile spindle]

you’re probably looking in the wrong place or have the wrong file

[edgy lagoon]

I'm searching through every single file

I extracted all the sound files

[agile spindle]

idk what to tell you

[late island]

is this not used anymore?

[edgy lagoon]

The whole file isn't

Just that segment at the end that says "Calorie intake recommended"

It was the one for a while

Too long.

Probably.

[agile spindle]

if you really have trouble finding it then i guess you can cut it

even though i don’t support that at all

[edgy lagoon]

Yea I honestly cannot find a single version of it

[late island]

I'm not sure there is a pre cut version

there is a good chance they just set it to start the audio at a later point in the file

[agile spindle]

so put the whole file

[edgy lagoon]

I guess I could just do that, but the thing is, both water sound effects use the same file

One just has the "Immediately" left in.

It goes "Seek fluid intake."
Then "Seek fluid intake immediately."

[agile spindle]

upload the whole file

[edgy lagoon]

For both of them?

[pliant cloud]

It doesn't say the same thing every time. It varies. Probably just consolidated the files into one when they recorded it initially.

[agile spindle]

yes for both of them

[edgy lagoon]

On top of that, one of the files mashed a warning in with it. Instead of "Warning: starvation imminent. Seek calorie intake immediately." it says "Emergency: starvation imminent. Seek calorie intake immediately."

It says the first in game

But the second is what's in the file.

[agile spindle]

then you have the wrong file

[edgy lagoon]

There is no other file

That's the issue

[agile spindle]

you have

the wrong

file

those sounds didn’t appear from nowhere

[cinder kestrel]

Or it plays "emergency," then the rest of the file.

Practical.

[edgy lagoon]

You mean warning?

[agile spindle]

sounds like a pain in the ass for the devs compared to splicing the files together and playing that

[edgy lagoon]

Emergency is in the actual file

Warning is in game

[late island]

Tueman do you know this for sure though

I can't find these files either

I don't know why they would've done it that way, but do we have any proof they didn't?

[agile spindle]

what do you recommend doing if no one can find them

editing two files together?

[late island]

Could just leave them how they are

or figure out what the devs did in the code and replicate that

I'm not too familiar with your whole sound file operation here

[agile spindle]

well you made the ogg player

[late island]

what

[agile spindle]

did you not?

i remember you editing it with the arctic peeper a few weeks ago

[late island]

yeah I added the new image

[agile spindle]

well i’ve no clue how it works

[late island]

I just went into the css and changed it

doesn't mean I made it

because if I did I don't remember

[agile spindle]

also “replicating what they did in the code” is nonsense

the code is C#

wiki is CSS or JS

[late island]

I meant how they cut it

like if the code says they cut it off at exactly 2.35 seconds, we cut it off at exactly 2.35 seconds

[agile spindle]

if they went through the waste-of-time process to do that they probably just cut the first sound file off and played the second one from a second in

i have no idea how we’d start or stop a file at a different time with the ogg player, much less splice two oggs together to do that in one click

[edgy lagoon]

Until we can figure this out, I'm uploading the files I found the sounds in.

[late island]

I meant in audacity or something not with the ogg player

I mean replicate when the devs coded it to cut off

[agile spindle]

yeah but then you’re uploading a file that isn’t straight from the game files

which i’m against

[late island]

Yet you're fine with making up names

[agile spindle]

Yes because it’s about what the users see over how we show it to them

We CAN show them the full sounds, we should not upload files that we edited to do so

[late island]

And besides if that's the case then there likely is no solution

aside from just waiting for PUA to update them if they do decide to do that

[agile spindle]

my solution is to put both files on the page

that’s what i recommend

[pliant cloud]

No, it says emergency too. When you let it get low enough.

[edgy lagoon]

It does? I always heard "Warning" first

[edgy lagoon]

If anyone wants to help on the Dialouge page, I'm not home so I can't edit audio files (don't have them on my school laptop) but the Sunbeam needs it's audio.

Actually wait

I can just rob them from the Sunbeam page

No I can't it doesn't have them all

[cinder kestrel]

@agile spindle You also need the links changed for flora?

[agile spindle]

not yet

i’ve not finished all the tables

[summer kindle]

oh ok
https://gyazo.com/c84671893c7f3311cfbf4381add78788

[cinder kestrel]

https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Welcome-message-wall-user-staff

[frail dragon]

None of the admins are online?

[cinder kestrel]

https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/MediaWiki%3AWelcome-user

[latent lark]

hey guys, just passing by to say thanks for all the work

❤

[agile spindle]

are you guys cool if I use FloraTable for coral?

It means you'll have to link coral with {{FloraLink}} but I really dont want to go through JS and make two more templates for, like, 3 coral

[summer kindle]

ok

[agile spindle]

👍

[sinful yarrow]

if I remember my science, coral is technically an animal, or at least a shell of an animal

[summer kindle]

yeah

irrelevant to this however

[agile spindle]

sure but CoralTable would be identical to FloraTable

whereas it would be different from FaunaTable

[sinful yarrow]

change science

[agile spindle]

or

dont

[sinful yarrow]

but… I wanna make some stuff from games possible irl

[summer kindle]

what

[sinful yarrow]

would be fun being able to fabricate stuff like we do in subnautica

[agile spindle]

https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Template:FloraTable/Twisty_Bridges_(Flora_Species)

not a fan of this tooltip

all flora tooltips are done

including a preliminary one for the glow flower

ah shoot, I have to make a new tooltip anyway

since the type is stuck to Flora

@cinder kestrel Tooltips are ready for flora, do the same restrictions as fauna tooltips

Except ignore the Flora page, not the Fauna page

what

so add it

[summer kindle]

We need a transparent image for it too

[agile spindle]

we are missing a lot of transparencies currently

[edgy lagoon]

Should I redo this section?

It's the only one that doesn't look like this

[agile spindle]

sure

[edgy lagoon]

👍

Someone wrote "poo" after all the sunbeam files

[agile spindle]

on the wiki or in the files?

[edgy lagoon]

In the actual game files

[agile spindle]

lol

[edgy lagoon]

I also just uploaded and replaced files for event 5, as someone left background audio in it.

Like it was just recorded from the game, you could hear the skyrays.

On a sidenote, who voices the current and the old Avery Quinn?

I'm gonna add some stuff to his page.

[agile spindle]

tony porter

[edgy lagoon]

For the new?

[agile spindle]

the page just says tony porter

and there's an ogg file in the infobox

[edgy lagoon]

Okay so he's the old one then

[fierce imp]

the same guy did both of them

[edgy lagoon]

Really? Huh

I added a new trivia and updated that old voice log in the infobox

[edgy lagoon]

Something interesting to know: The seamoth, at one point, was going to have hull breaches to repair.

Either that or the devs made a useless audio file

The Seamoth has an unused audio file of it saying "Emergency: hull breach detected!" As do the Cyclops and the Bases.

Which is odd, since it's a small vehicle and would be interesting to see how that would've worked.

[frail dragon]

Wait random question

But what is tueman’s profile picture of

[agile spindle]

NMS arg

but wrong channel

[agile spindle]

discuse me

[late island]

now this is epic

[edgy lagoon]

what

what is wrong with people

[agile spindle]

its his own account

[edgy lagoon]

Oh

I missed the joke then lmao

[agile spindle]

It's not really a joke

probably a stolen account or highly disfunctional member of society

[edgy lagoon]

I'm going with the second option.

So is the Nano Suit part of the Prawn Suit suppose to be a single word?

[agile spindle]

the what

[edgy lagoon]

Some changed the Prawn's name from 'Pressure "Reactive Armored Waterproof Nano Suit" to "Pressure Reactive Armored Waterproof Nanosuit"

And I don't think that's correct but I wanted to check in

[agile spindle]

well it's PRAWN suit not PRAWNS suit

[edgy lagoon]

Yes but doesn't the Suit contribute to the Suit said right after Prawn?

[agile spindle]

The databank entry says Nanosuit

oh wait they changed that too

[agile spindle]

i may be playing with fire

css wise

[edgy lagoon]

Oh boi

[minor axle]

Bleeders aren't in the blood kelp

I mean kelp forest

[stuck pawn]

yes they are

[turbid ermine]

@minor axle, don't you know where you spawn? :þ

[turbid ermine]

The glow whale health is incorrect on the wiki. It's 10,000.

[cinder kestrel]

Roleplaying?

[edgy lagoon]

Lmao

[cursive vigil]

Thats the joke lol

[minor axle]

people who are not even mods on the forum can edit stuff?

[agile spindle]

this is the wiki not the forum

[edgy lagoon]

1. This is a wiki, not a forum.
2. That's how most wikis work.

[proper needle]

Is there a forum

[agile spindle]

anyone can edit, so long as they have an account

@proper needle there’s a UWE forum

also steam discussions

also the wiki has a forum

[proper needle]

Oh, of course lol.

[minor axle]

So basically anyone can change the wiki text and have it say "roblox" without any permission

[edgy lagoon]

You seem to think the Wiki Keepers don't moderate the Wiki

[stuck pawn]

technically yes
but it'll get reverted

[minor axle]

does it need to get approved by a wiki keeper before it will go liv

e

[stuck pawn]

no?

if it's a massive change it would be best to give a heads up
otherwise you can edit and if it's bad we just undo it

[edgy lagoon]

Through my Dialouge Page edits I always consult a wiki staff to check.

It's best to check in first.

[minor axle]

Mite need to fix that becaus bleeders arnt in the kelp forest

[edgy lagoon]

Yes they are.

[frail dragon]

I think they are...
They’re just really rare

Or maybe in the caves

[minor axle]

Not fore me tho

[frail dragon]

I could’ve sworn I found some

[edgy lagoon]

They spawn around and in caves.

[stuck pawn]

You probably haven't encountered them

Somehow

[frail dragon]

And your spelling is hurting me
“Mite”
“becaus”
“arnt”
“fore”
“tho”

[edgy lagoon]

You should know this, as you are trying to be a bleeder.

[minor axle]

Are there any console commands on play stashon 4?

*station

[edgy lagoon]

Play Stashon 4

[frail dragon]

Nope

[minor axle]

i corrected it anomgay

[frail dragon]

Yes but it can take a bit for messages to send

[minor axle]

and rip :/

my internet can send messages instantly

[frail dragon]

Uh

it can’t

[edgy lagoon]

I said it after on purpose.

[agile spindle]

hi stay on topic

[frail dragon]

oK

[edgy lagoon]

Why do people who comment on Wiki Pages have no sense of English Grammar?

[minor axle]

Most of the peple there are 13 years old

[hallow basalt]

i haven't seen bleeders in the kelp forest either

[edgy lagoon]

They are, I've found them multiple times.

[hallow basalt]

hmmm

[cursive vigil]

sea treaders 4 life

[summer kindle]

aight thanks for posting that in several chats

[late lotus]

lol right

[snow sail]

i uploaded the images

[agile spindle]

nice

add them to the gallery

you can follow the format that other images have in the gallery

[cursive vigil]

sea treaders 4 life

[snow sail]

description?

"in game Screenshot"?

[summer kindle]

ye

[snow sail]

and i do that for both?

[agile spindle]

differentiate them

[cursive vigil]

v

[agile spindle]

another in game picture or something

[cursive vigil]

sea treader

[late lotus]

no

[cursive vigil]

why not

[snow sail]

"Cliff edge view"

cause theres a cliff that drops off into the lilypads now

[agile spindle]

whatever works

[snow sail]

done

[turbid ermine]

@summer kindle, did you check for the feather fish?

I can't find it anywhere.

[summer kindle]

he did say that there weren't many

[agile spindle]

he said in 30 minutes he found 2

[turbid ermine]

I know, but still. purplevent isn't that big.

[late lotus]

its not that big until the next big update

[agile spindle]

the area marked out for it isn’t that big

[summer kindle]

it is definitely not

[snow sail]

i found them swimming near the clidd

cliff*

cause i spawned one in to look at it, now long after there were two and i picked them both up