Season Zero: Warm-Up, Challenge Rooms, DI, Balance, Bugfixes

[distant mountain]

is that gonna affect ranked as well?

[dark kernel]

If you also have preferences on what would make puppeteering more satisfying too, let me know.

[dark kernel]

Believe so.

[dull echo]

Talking league or vive?

[distant mountain]

like are we getting a rank reset but keeping our current mmr?

[dark kernel]

League.

(Also we haven’t had a S1 or S2 yet.)

[dark kernel]

Will share matchmaking changes in the patch notes for 1.0. Probably better to just read it all together.

[dull echo]

I was wondering. Would expect opposition when adding an archetype like drain tanks.
Though I feel they arent much of an issue if the games systems can handle said archetype

[distant mountain]

ok

is that coming with the patch or a bit earlier like we have rn?

[wind sierra]

are we getting a patch next week or are we just waiting till 1.0?

[dark kernel]

Likely a bit earlier - though timing’s a little different this time around with launch, so hours might be different.

[distant mountain]

sounds good

with how big its supposed to be its good we get to read a bit earlier

really hope u guys got the documentation in order tho

[dark kernel]

No patch - managing the build differences at this point is better by moving over to the 1.0 build next.

[wind sierra]

thought so

ty for the confirmation tho

[wind sierra]

id imagine we will see a lot of stuff in the video on the 17th

[distant mountain]

yeah but they wont go on to specifics i would imagine

[dark kernel]

We’re going to have several ways of sharing what 1.0 is.

I might include my current 15-page doc for internal use, but debating.

[wind sierra]

Also can i ask what a "High level but short ad campaign" is

[distant mountain]

one cool thing i would love is if the armory page on op.gg went live a bit earlier than the patch

[wind sierra]

Cause thats a term i saw shaun use i think and im very confused about what it actually entails

Like are we doing the whole 10 big streamers again

or is it different?

[distant mountain]

just like the rune rework league got where we could start theorycrafting even before it went live

[dark kernel]

Not sure which piece Shaun’s referring to there, since there’s a few things I think he could be talking about.

[woven mural]

Recently I've been really hating 4 characters, and I see all 4 of these characters ruining the game at some point (again) din the future.

Eva, brall, jin, and beebo.

Eva will peob come soonest at 1.0, the other 3 i see coming soon after. Their movement is wildly unfun and being literally infinite cced by beebo or hit by a fast car going lightspeed is wildly unfun.

And jin removing the most skill expression part of the game by just existing is really dumb imo... no hunter should just remove the skill expression of a mechanic, I think it's poor design personally.

[wind sierra]

Sorry, it was pwyff in the latest announcement

He said "With so much noise in the world and us as a small studio with limited marketing budget, this time around we’re opting to do a short, high-level campaign "

[dark kernel]

Got it - Pwyff’s not focused on creator. It’ll be more focused on 1.0.

But yeah - I probably won’t go beyond that in describing it. It’ll come soon.

RE: Eve - Mentioned this last time, but have a few changes that should help.

[wind sierra]

Interesting, excited to see what its gonna look like this time around

[dark kernel]

They’ve been cool to work with. Wouldn’t want it to be too early before first-touch, but yeah. They’re preparing.

[dark kernel]

Agree.

[distant mountain]

maybe together with patch notes would be good enough

can get people hyped to try new builds they cooked

[dark kernel]

Yeah, looking forward to it.

Alright - I got sucked into the thread, but it’s time for a break.

Going to actually take my day off now.

[dull echo]

Do you think vives systems can handle an archetype as CHAD as drain tanker?

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[dark kernel]

Thanks for hanging. Make a weekly thread for the team from the feedback here, and they appreciate it too.

[dark kernel]

Now I know what you want. Hahaha.

No comment.

[dull echo]

Fishing for that antiheal comment

[dark kernel]

I’ll keep reading, but yeah - have a great rest of your day all.

[dull echo]

youll take the bait some day

Have a nice day off

[distant mountain]

you too

take care

[woven mural]

I'm hoping she isn't immortal of your team doesn't have anti heal. Having to avoid every Eva team as much as possible just cus you didn't go an anti heak comp feels like bs. She needs to be dealt with by 1.0 and the other 3 have just been making the game unfun for me for a while but cus you still gotta be decent at them they won't be issues at 1.0. Idk if anything will change, cus it doesn't seem like you guys care about how unfun it is to get ran circles around by someone who is literally 2 hp and not being able to catch them cus they got a bullshit amount of mobility.

[languid shadow]

Wanted to give my input on elluna as others recommended me to do so here.

Since the april patch elluna has felt very rough to play, she has a 0% pickrate in competitive and also feels very underwhelming in ranked games to me personally.
To list a couple of ellunas issues:

1. Her entire kit thrives off of chaos, the change to trios has eliminated a large part of this, meaning both of ellunas playstyles, the supportive and the assasin, have become much harder to pull off. It is much harder to find a backline root, especially when that enemy team has a OATH. At the same time i cannot state enough just how much harder resurrecting teammates has become, once you have a downed teammate, you only have 1 singular teammate peeling your resurrect, a 1v3 is much more difficult than a 2v4, especially with the heal on knock feature the enemies profit off of.

2. Her manapool has issues, a while ago on the last squads patch she received less manageneration on her lmbs, it was cut in half and it is very noticeable when playing, if i cast all my spells i will end up out of mana very often, especially when i play around dash resets on my teammates (It would be a cool thing if dash refunded mana per teammate you dash through possibly, so this mechanic can be used with more skill expression rather than a pure manadrain.

3. Many of the current popular characters make ellunas life a living hell (Carbine, Oath, Eva).

4. On the trios patch dash haste was moved to Quickblades, this is another change that greatly reduced ellunas strengh, since manablade is a forced item on elluna i now have to choose between Dash-haste or normal CDR.

5. I have great trouble keeping myself alive, a while ago zephs self healing was increased to 75%, that character and eva are able to heal themselves to full consistantly, yet my heal feels unimpactful and restores around 15% of my max hp only.

Thank u for reading my yap session, would love to hear some dev insight on ellunas balancing approach.

[mossy hemlock]

Wait I missed the early Jess appearance

😔

Hope you guys are doing well! Have a good day off

[carmine willow]

NOOOOOOOOO WAY I MISSED IT

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

JESS PLEASE FIX SAORS BUI>GS PLSS PLSP LSPSLSLLS

[languid shadow]

wait is it over

ok ill save my copypasta for another day

[sour seal]

rip

youll get em next time

[woven mural]

I had a friend play some elluna in ranked recently and they thought they were fine, but if they played elluna in comp at all I guarantee they'd be asking for buffs. She works in the current ranked cus you don't really gotta be a good character, as ranked becomes more competitive elluna will prob be 3rd worse hunter to pick, barely beating no buffed jin and hudson.

Also im personally against buffing her healing. No hunter should live cus they have a bs amount of healing, I get hers wouldn't be too get even with a buff but I like how she doesn't just live with healing while zeph and eva are basically immortal(also... why did they even buff zeph's self healing, I can't be the only one who thinks it was a dumb buff)

I thought she was fine in squads even when she was considered weak, but in trios easily 3rd weakest, and in comp prob 2nd weakest.

[rich sapphire]

omg same I'd Like To know Too...

[languid shadow]

Love this summary but i do think a small heal increase is necessary, hop in a practice and look just how unimpactful her heal is on self

[stoic laurel]

you all so shit if you think elunna is good, only good when you play solo q. as dmg and not sup

rep all if you think wrong

[woven mural]

Ik it's low it just never reallt thought she really needed a healing buff for self. I'd be fine with it going to 50% i just never thought it was needed personally. I'm fine with it being buffed I just don't think it's needed, and ofc it wouldn't completely fix her.

[woven mural]

Pretty sure that's what we both said lol

[stoic laurel]

?? who you

[carmine willow]

big boy hudson

[keen depot]

wait ... the goat here???

[stoic laurel]

my wife

[keen depot]

[junior crescent]

betrayal ...

[stoic laurel]

illegal

[junior crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-gif-11816971814746635421

[woven mural]

I don't get why tc couldn't give ghost the icon abov his head when he throws his nade. Cus isn't that meant to make it clear that someone is using an ability and if you get hit by it you're kinda just dead, but supposedly ghost doesn't need it he's an exception ig.

It's near impossible to see the animation and that is kind of what you have to react to and it's prwtty stupid.

Also, remove 40% cd reduction on wall nades. Ghost has literally nobreason to be able to spam wall nades that are already strong as fuck like that.

[tawny bridge]

I’m just gonna copy and paste my question from Tom’s thread to see your opinion on it if you’d like to share : I wanna know their opinion on creating more unique map poi’s (points of interest) with unique mechanics. I think that’s one of the games strong suits but it’s so under utilized places like machine and the ice areas with their own gimmicks add so much flavor and outplay potential to the game

[verbal kindle]

hey weird question but this is a very old patch note line

Bat (LMB)
LMB now is split up into two discrete segments that last a combined 1.3s
Part 1 (0.8s): After first charge, LMB reaches full knockback
After first charge, Bat will wallstun on hit
Part 2 (0.5s): After second charge, LMB reaches full damage
LMB knockback at full charge reduced by 20% for non-Beeb-ombed targets. Beeb-omb knockback is unchanged.
Cast bar on top of health bar now shows two distinct segments, one per phase
LMB segments on bottom left also reflect these changes

i always read this part "LMB knockback at full charge reduced by 20% for non-Beeb-ombed targets. Beeb-omb knockback is unchanged." as the target with a beebomb stuck to them as lighter to beebos bat

but me and thankq just tested this and it was the exact same with bomb stuck to them or with out

[inner kayak]

Can I get official email contact of TC for private inquiries?

[misty field]

prolly try dming one of the devs

[inner kayak]

Will try. thanks!

[woven mural]

#1391294990629605497 message

This holds stupidly true. People seem to think it's fine with them being massively team reliant. But it makes them feel kind of annoying when you aren't playing with a premade. And tc doesn't seem to care enough to do anything about it, or they think it's fine that Hudson can't do much by himself; which goes against their supposed ideology of self sufficiency so it's weird.

[dark kernel]

Happy Friday! A little early today. Scanning what I missed.

[versed kernel]

hi jess

can we have 1.0 earlier i wanna play

[sour seal]

true and real

[dark kernel]

Not sure which part of my quote you're referring to, but was referring to Eva nerfs.

[dark kernel]

Soon!

[versed kernel]

how bad are the eva nerfs

[dark kernel]

Noted, and yeah - looking at mana across the board. I'll share the Elluna feedback with the team.

[versed kernel]

hows joule looking too? rework done?

[dark kernel]

We're more confident in the changes, but need some time to support them art-wise.

[eager mesa]

Hey jess! I enjoyed the chat with Mr Kick. You gonna be tuning in to the arena tournament today? starting any minute

[dark kernel]

This is the first time I've seen this suggestion. Health bar's pretty heavy as it is, so we try to be sparing about what we communicate above it in addition to keep combat clear. Curious what others think.

[versed kernel]

hopefully it makes it to 1.0

[dark kernel]

Dope. I'll probably stop by - still working, so might be in and out.

[rich sapphire]

I am excited for Wukong but I hope we get a new Controller next or any time soon

[woven mural]

Just sending here cus this is just some request for hudson.

He currently struggles with solo agency, while being really good with an actual team.

[dark kernel]

It's currently scheduled for post-1.0. Want to do it right.

[versed kernel]

oh ok 😦

[languid shadow]

awesome, ty so much! 🙏

[woven mural]

Idk maybe just me but ghost nade's animation has always felt near impossible to see and you just die when it hits you

[quasi crescent]

Oath nerfs thoughts???

Precious developers

[versed kernel]

oath buffs only

[eager mesa]

I personally haven't had any issues visually reading Ghost nade, I just watch his model for when it's starting to come out. I find the sound effect very telling.

But it's good that there's feedback about it bc if it's affecting someone, it's probably affecting more someones

[dark kernel]

It's too early to talk about exploration on this, but we're interested.

[tawny bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/hai-gif-10567033442484308038

by far my favorite part of supervive is how unique the pois are

[pine meadow]

[languid shadow]

My dream of explosive barrel stormshift lives on

[woven mural]

Even when I'm looking at ghost i find i tend to miss the animation a lot still. I didn't even know it had a sound effect, and if that's the case then I don't think the sound effect is working too well...

[pine meadow]

Hi @dark kernel

[quasi crescent]

Hi @pine meadow

[quasi crescent]

That would be so good

[pine meadow]

i want to ask some questions but i feel like i already asked a lot of them these last months ahah

i just need to wait for 1.0 i suppose

[dark kernel]

Spirit of this as I remember it was - knockback is weaker against enemies vs. Beeb-omb knockback. Unsure why the patch note is funky - but yeah, game behavior is intentional.

[languid shadow]

I dont think ive ever been hyped for a game release as much as 1.0, the moment the patchnotes drop i am a university professor analyzing every bit of text possible

🔥

[pine meadow]

the watchparty is gonna be huge

but yeah, same

[languid shadow]

cinema

[pine meadow]

maybe even some Shrike changes in this patch ?

[severe stream]

will beebo ult stun range be fixed in 1.0?

[dark kernel]

It's weird to respond to this with the intent to bump the bug given the way this request is phrased, but we're taking a look at this.

[pine meadow]

btw, are we gonna get the patchnotes before the release or only once we can play ?

[dark kernel]

🙂

[woven mural]

I'm not really trying to bump the bug. Just how hudson currently can't do much without an actual team, I sent the link cus I didn't really feel like forwarding the message.

[rich sapphire]

[dark kernel]

It's probably worth stating that these changes would likely improve his teamplay ability too (ex. especially anything with Wires.)

[languid shadow]

Smile = wukong is a controller? 🤔🧐

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[dark kernel]

Appreciate the patience. We also branched her into two Hunters to make sure her Live version and her new version are intact, so it's just going to take some time remerging, too. But yeah, we're interested in making it happen.

[mossy hemlock]

heyo party people

[versed kernel]

oo exciting

[woven mural]

Yea, hudson is in a weird state cus he works well with a team, but doesn't without one. Like doing anything to him is scary cus it can effect comp too much.

[dark kernel]

Without going into balance too much in 1.0, would probably try 1.0 out and see where you feel Hunters land afterward. Let me know what you think.

[pine meadow]

i dream about the day where is Oath is not the Apex predator of SUPERVIVE

anymore

[quasi crescent]

I think that I like your answer 🙂

[dark kernel]

Relatedly, have a similar note when it comes to lethality. Would be interested in thoughts post-1.0 on if this still feels the case.

[quasi crescent]

And I hope that Ghost bugs are being fixed rn

[languid shadow]

If shield > lazers

Monkey > Shield

[mossy hemlock]

Really excited for TTK being a bit longer, I'm very curious to see how that impacts frontliners esp

[pine meadow]

Kuba trying to flag emoji, but gets DM by the bot

classic

[quasi crescent]

true

wtf

[dark kernel]

Yeah, we want this too. Explosive barrels as they exist today are weirdly perf-heavy, so we probably need to look at that before we design a storm shift like this. But interested in POIs...

[quasi crescent]

why does it work now

[languid shadow]

Cant wait to see what the teams been cooking!

[pine meadow]

can we expect more stormshift on 1.0 ?

[languid shadow]

My 2nd suggestion would be a bouncy area with bungee on walls and jumppads naturally on the ground

yippie

[versed kernel]

that sounds good tbh

[dark kernel]

Are you talking about fast car or something else?

[pine meadow]

the Bungee Arena, the biome i wished for months ago

[rich sapphire]

Wow she got split in half

[versed kernel]

i want a city area kinda thing with multiple levels

[languid shadow]

Theres a issue that the AoE stun of his ultimate colliding seems to be too big, it could be intended but we all consider it too oppresive.

[pine meadow]

with an elevator big enough to fight on it

[quasi crescent]

When ult hits a wall the area of the stun got randomly increased between patches

[versed kernel]

oooh underground area would be cool too

[mossy hemlock]

Speaking of bugs, I'm personally very curious of the team's thoughts on Celeste's wall, it feels incredibly buggy

stuff like Bishop/Beebo/Felix ult phasing through it especially

[versed kernel]

elevation in general should be more explored

[pine meadow]

and the lava start to rise up, making you get out of it before it's too late once you oppened the vault

[dark kernel]

It'll come once you can play.

But that's also very soon.

[quasi crescent]

it gets buggy

if you go to far up u cant turn your camera

[languid shadow]

Any small insight you can give to whats being spoken about in the upcoming devtalk on the 18th? (Will new features / systems / wukong be previewed and talked about?)

[junior crescent]

fast car

[mossy hemlock]

I imagine it's because aiming takes into account the ground plane

And if the ground plane is off screen you're basically forced to look in one direction

[severe stream]

would also like to hear about what you plan to do with fast car interactions, since they can be unfair

[junior crescent]

danch

[quasi crescent]

yeah is beebo + turtle a bug or a feature?

[dark kernel]

Yeah, exactly. We'll continue fixing irregularities like the Wires issue you linked. Have a few other changes that I'm hoping makes it him feel not as oppressive in how he uses his tools to dive. Maybe that'll give us room to help him in other ways.

[junior crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-driving-car-cat-gif-12812403919068276794

[dark kernel]

Yeah. It's been nice to play with internally. There's a few other changes that I think contribute positively here too, but will wait for the official shares before we go into it more.

[tawny bridge]

has it been revealed what role wukong is yet

I haven't kept up with all the announcements

[junior crescent]

its gonna be a init ig

no one really said anything but

[languid shadow]

Will the upcoming devtalk serve as a pre-patchnotes preview of 1.0, where upcoming features etc are previewed?

[whole prawn]

Hi, is 1.0 going to have full controller support? I have a friend who’s interested but only plays stuff on controller

[dark kernel]

Everyone's been fixing bugs across all Hunters/systems for the past month, and Ghost is no exception. Not sure if it'll hit the specific Ghost bugs you're thinking of, but have to hand it to the team.

[dark kernel]

What is the context for this...

Hahaha

[pine meadow]

i plead guilty for this work of art

[junior crescent]

kuba is trembling

[quasi crescent]

The most annoying ones are short dash not registering as short dash on CD + Grenades making people randomly slide away especialy on slopes like stairs etc

[pine meadow]

but the context, was Tom ending a scrim game while leaving the game after his team died, and was his face when he clicked on the button

[quasi crescent]

Reval is 15 and should go to sleep

its bed time

[junior crescent]

[dark kernel]

No new storm shifts for 1.0; they're fun, but they can lose their novelty fast and making good ones aren't trivial. We've updated some of the iconography, and we'd like to update the minimap/megamap too to make communicating these and POIs better over time. Could see us coming back to the pool to update, but not yet.

[dark kernel]

Hahah, yes. Please.

[dark kernel]

Yeah, this is cool too. One challenge we've had is making interiors or multiple levels read (we've tried various versions of this before.) But still interested.

[versed kernel]

good to hear u guys have tried it out

[quasi crescent]

From bush camping to tower camping ure going places OC

[dark kernel]

Thanks - shared it with the team.

[dark kernel]

The more we invest in server perf, the more we can play with moving platforms like this. Would love to.

[languid shadow]

The question of all questions: Will Beebo 1% finally truly be 1% on 1.0?

[sour seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278865927894732876/1373044274345672794/tim_kock.gif

but french

[silk thicket]

Yo. Did I miss much of the talk? Did we just start?

[dark kernel]

For no reason, am interested in how folks here would want this to resolve. If you're in an underground area, how should the Storm affect you (if at all)?

[mossy hemlock]

Been goin for about an hour

[silk thicket]

oki not too bad then

[sour seal]

maybe like depending on how low down into the ground you are its less effective

[mossy hemlock]

Storm should probably affect you, otherwise can just camp it all game

To some extent, at least

[pine meadow]

#1383221735037341759 message this

[versed kernel]

100%

i think it should be like a vault or high loot area of some sorts

[mossy hemlock]

tunnels would be such a silly map feature

[versed kernel]

or a boss

[languid shadow]

The area could be like a cave that starts shaking and crashes in on itself when too long in the storm. (Dont-Starve together falling-rocks style)

[mossy hemlock]

sewer traversal

[severe stream]

we were promised the correct numbers for super zeep. when are we getting it?

[sour seal]

i think boss with loot could be good, but like not overly strong to the point where its a must drop every game

[dark kernel]

Asked our QA lead to what extent we've addressed Wall issues with Celeste (I know we've looked into some.) Might tag if we need a clip, but helpful to call out the cases, ty

[sour seal]

probably like machine tier loot

[versed kernel]

maybe a boss u kill that drops powers

[pine meadow]

#MakeVaultsGreatAgain

[sour seal]

that could be cool too

[rich sapphire]

I love Celeste wall

[sour seal]

having other ways to get powers outside of vaults and shop

[versed kernel]

ideally it would be like a POI with some sort of tunnel system and a main area with a boss/ vault

[dark kernel]

It probably wouldn't be much of a news beat if I shared the news beforehand. 🙂 So I'll refrain. But it'll share more of what's to come, for sure.

[mossy hemlock]

not even 2 weeks till 1.0

[languid shadow]

I like the way vaultbreakers has done this, need a specific item to unlock the area and then have a limited time to stay in it and farm / loot.

[sour seal]

maybe like a bunch of tunnels that lead into a boss/vault

[versed kernel]

yea that would work

[sour seal]

but the tunnels spawn differently every game, like how the chickens spawn

[silk thicket]

Btw this bug still exists

And idk what the issue is but 30% of the time my fren needs to do weird troubleshooting because of it

I can just imagine if it becomes a more widespread bug (or more people experience it) and are unable to play the game

#1393237537673445387 message

[dark kernel]

Yeah, what you and Kuba are describing are a lot of what can get finicky with interiors and elevation. The fantasy is cool enoug that we're going to continue experimenting in the space, though. Just won't push anything until we have an idea of how to better solve.

[versed kernel]

like apex vaults kinda, u gotta kill something around the map that drops the key

[late hinge]

Hii jess, please do not forget about saros bugs!!

[versed kernel]

and then u go to the vaults

[silk thicket]

Speaking of vaults

[dark kernel]

I just shared some of the clips with fast car interactions with our design team. We're discussing how to address.

[languid shadow]

forgot to mention jin today?

[silk thicket]

What is up with vaults being so sh*t

[late hinge]

No hope to jin anymore

[quasi crescent]

?????

[late hinge]

Hey fatestrikes please respect!

[versed kernel]

vaults arent bad, shops are just too strong

[silk thicket]

No like, the powers in them

[versed kernel]

so ppl just go to the shops

[dark kernel]

Haven't shared yet! But he'll be out with 1.0, so you'll find out soon.

[sour seal]

free brush boar its not THAT bad

[pine meadow]

some vaults are god tier, others are just a waste of time

[silk thicket]

I can open 3 vaults and have no powers that I want in the slightest

[pine meadow]

feels weird

[silk thicket]

^

[versed kernel]

thats always been the case tho

[quasi crescent]

maybe stop playing void then

[silk thicket]

Bro void likes a ton of powers

Lmfao

[versed kernel]

the only problem with powers rn is that u can buy certain powers on shops

[silk thicket]

But vaults legit have like gray-green powers

Like two runes, mana next to trees and fishing rod

[dark kernel]

Yes.

[silk thicket]

Genuinly not a useful vault at all

Biome leads and shops are 500x better

[versed kernel]

i think it has been brought up in the past that vaults should have like X white/ X green/X blue/ X purple

like pre alpha even

[tawny bridge]

I see can't wait

[silk thicket]

I'm pretty sure they did

[pine meadow]

Open a vault : Here's your powers !

• Friend of the forest
• Tree costume
• Touch of speed
• Express delivery
  NO GOLD

Enjoy !

[silk thicket]

But since they had limited pools it got turned down

Since for example frozen always gave grapple

[languid shadow]

+1 Power User stack

[dark kernel]

Experimental controller support will remain experimental. Would love to come back to this, but going to focus on making sure the core PC experience is engaging first.

[silk thicket]

ALSO

[rich sapphire]

And The

[silk thicket]

2k gold exotics randomly in shop

[pine meadow]

^

[silk thicket]

So dumb

Sorry but its

So bad

[dark kernel]

I apologize, I was not familiar with your game

[rich sapphire]

blood thirsty head apparel

[versed kernel]

add glider boost to that

[rich sapphire]

What it Could be

[versed kernel]

idk why its in 2 shops

[silk thicket]

Glider boost it atleast consistently in shops

For 4k

You can *randomly"

Stumble into a 2k blinkstone

[versed kernel]

it shouldnt be in shops its yellow

[silk thicket]

Or a 2k rewind

[languid shadow]

@dark kernel If regional shops stay for 1.0, would it be possible to move Capture Ball to the shop at Heart? This would make it central on the map and allow you to split in a direction of ur choosing to get the mob of your choice. Currently it only spawns edge of map in scavenger bay and i cant make it to Chaos Steps in time for the mob i want 😦 (Heart shop spawn also fits its nature theme imo!)

[dark kernel]

Yeah, what the ability limitations are RE: elevation is a big factor.

[pine meadow]

close to Coldfang ahahahah.... aaaah kill me already...

[dark kernel]

You truly made him Expedition 33 Tom Kick.

[dark kernel]

I sent a note around 1% frequency - mostly going to focus on fast car as the main pain point, but this is known.

[mossy hemlock]

to add to this: I LOVE silly map gimmicks so much and I highly encourage more of them

[dark kernel]

Maybe.. with vision cones/line of sight, it can still be a bit surprising. But I see what you're saying.

[dark kernel]

(Yep. Lol.)

[mossy hemlock]

this response makes me feel like you guys have learned this from experience

[versed kernel]

[dark kernel]

Yeah, saw the lava idea. That's also probably expensive on the perf side...but it's a cool fantasy. We had similar thought here, and with Swamp too.

[dark kernel]

I like it.

[pine meadow]

one thing is certain

there is so much potential

[dark kernel]

Suddenly, Among Us.

[pine meadow]

customs games fun gamemodes would be wild with this

[dark kernel]

Yeah. Have over time put boss loot in the category of - it should be good, but not so good it cuts off the rest of your build progression.

[late hinge]

Hope Saros shift 2 visual hitbox, his portals and rmb bugs are getting fixed in the 1.0 😅

[dark kernel]

Will also be curious how we feel about Vault value post-1.0. It may change over time, but am interested.

[versed kernel]

all characters got bugs fixed, just probably not all bugs

[late hinge]

well this are the most important

[versed kernel]

well maybe they got fixed, just wait and see

[dark kernel]

It's so soon. We're going blink and it'll be here.

[late hinge]

ive been waiting for a long time mr oc

👍

[dark kernel]

Oh, that's cool. We've discussed some kind of secret treasure type objectives like this before.

[pine meadow]

aren't you supposed to be banned from this discord btw, oh well

[junior crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-wait-wait-gif-3746287728568117387

[versed kernel]

he just makes new accounts

[dark kernel]

I like the idea of randomized, so it tests your exploration abilities. We've wondered in the past whether players would find that cool or frustrating. Maybe a little of both.

[languid shadow]

some roguelike elements can never go wrong!

[pine meadow]

would be still 10x better than current red chests ngl

[versed kernel]

^

[junior crescent]

luca u are the #1 hater of rng in games

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720896598829170791/1388659799323050155/togif.gif

[languid shadow]

this applies only to 1% superzeep on beebo

[junior crescent]

i mean agree i hate 1%

and i play beebo

XD

[languid shadow]

randomized tunnel type location with varying loot sounds absolutely amazing

[mossy hemlock]

I've said it before but I'm such an RNG fan in battle royales, specifically for items

[junior crescent]

i mean if it doesnt give you a high reward

[mossy hemlock]

I think SUPERVIVE lost a lot of RNG in its itemization, especially with how it dictates how you path now, and it feels kinda unfortunate

[late hinge]

I will change that.

[junior crescent]

soul stealer day 1

[sour seal]

wow i went to go eat ty for all the replies

i feel very validated :3

[junior crescent]

[dark kernel]

Posted this to the team thread so we can check on it. Might be a regression.

[mossy hemlock]

this can be a bit lame when it's just statsticks especially

i'm moreso feeling weird with powers in shops and whatnot

[junior crescent]

strong rng is not good

imo

[mossy hemlock]

and how it encourages you to drop on one location every time because your OP item will always be in that specific shop

[junior crescent]

get rewarded for beign lucky, idk

[dark kernel]

Yeah, we're continuing to look at Saros bugs. Appreciate the patience.

[sour seal]

ya strong rng never fun

slight goofy rng is cool

[junior crescent]

yeah

[sour seal]

if i play against someone who dropped like armor shredder from a screamer (idk if thats part of the loot pool) thats not fun

cuz theyre being rewarding for something thats just them being lucky, rather than them playing well

[mossy hemlock]

yeah I can agree with that

[junior crescent]

or a beebo rolling 2 1% in a row

[mossy hemlock]

depends just how strong the RNG is

[sour seal]

but with chickens, its part of the game, and the reward isnt incredibly high

its just a vault and some gold

[junior crescent]

chickens are not rng

[sour seal]

yeah theyre not

but im trying to think of another luck thing

[junior crescent]

beebo 1%

[mossy hemlock]

I currently live to drop Dawn Caps, buy Delicate Barrier, get the gold key and go to the gold chest southwest for blue armor, path to Veingrove and fight at boss every single day

this pathing very rarely changes

[sour seal]

i already got the unfun luck out of the way

[fallen niche]

Ranked Party Size Restrictions. Will those be looked at for 1.0?

[languid shadow]

speaking of hidden locations.... LET ME IN!!!!

[junior crescent]

[dark kernel]

There's so many...

[junior crescent]

hidden shop

[junior crescent]

blackmarket type shit

[sour seal]

tom kick is a citizen of all nations

or something like that

[sour seal]

maybe make this like a secret area where u can buy and sell for stuff

move the hourly shop into this

[junior crescent]

bed time

[sour seal]

byebye reval

its like 1 am for u no?

[junior crescent]

y

[languid shadow]

even more perfect cus you can take the train there!

[junior crescent]

what about make train stop

on parades

or smth

like make train stations

idk

[sour seal]

yeah train stations could be a cool storm shift

[versed kernel]

kinda wish the train was around the map more

not just the middle

[mossy hemlock]

that's right, time to add an ADDITIONAL TRAIN

[sour seal]

like a few areas are train stations and u can buy stuff from the stations n stuff

[sour seal]

train for outer ring and train for inner ring?

that could be cool

[mossy hemlock]

exactly

[dark kernel]

Hmmm. I can't answer this.

[rich sapphire]

That looks like a perfect spot where you would have to fight a secret boss

[dark kernel]

Maybe...

[dark kernel]

Would love to do this someday.

[sour seal]

WOAH. maybe they are removing heart from the game

:0

[junior crescent]

no.

[sour seal]

darn

[mossy hemlock]

i ate the heart

[dark kernel]

Uhh. What's this referring to?

[sour seal]

maybe they are turning elluna into the heart, and they were hinting it with the emote

[sour seal]

safelocked do u know who paqt is?

[junior crescent]

bruh

[rich sapphire]

Something about Vampires and Helmets

[versed kernel]

lets keep the topic on the game

[junior crescent]

yeah

[dark kernel]

It's definitely a taste thing, but I appreciate you.

[junior crescent]

you cant ask this

[pine meadow]

@late hinge being an alt of Paqt, someone who been banned from this discord for insulting devs and more.

[junior crescent]

not good student

[sour seal]

my apologies reval

:((

[junior crescent]

-1 beebo point

[sour seal]

how many beebo points i got left dawg..

[pine meadow]

the one that kept asking about Jin buffs

[late hinge]

i think you are mistaking me for someone else lol

[dark kernel]

Yeah! No problem.

[rich sapphire]

Like imagine if Dracula wore Helmets would that be a Vampiric Helmet

[junior crescent]

[pine meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/kevinmcgarry-mcgarries-theweddingveil-theweddingveilexpectations-weddingveil-gif-27422685

[dark kernel]

Think folks know, but it'll always be dependent on playerbase. Will watch and decide from there.

[sour seal]

hoho this would be so awesome

[junior crescent]

are you bringing back old air rings? (pls say yes)

[sour seal]

oath vamp helm :0

[rich sapphire]

True...

[mossy hemlock]

I LOVE GAMBLING WOOOO

🎰

[dark kernel]

I was just talking about these buildings today with our art director, hahah.

[late hinge]

will we get ranked arena in 1.0?

[rich sapphire]

We all try

[languid shadow]

I love them! Am i mistaken or did this one have big green arrows pointing to its door in the past?

i seem to remember one of them having this but couldnt find it.

[dark kernel]

Want to deliver this feeling somehow, for sure. We do get complaints around hidden mechanics (and I get it,) so I don't think this is trivial to get right. But I appreciate the feeling.

[pine meadow]

can't wait to hang out in a "tavern lobby" while chatting with a proximity chat in warmups...

[dark kernel]

I accept.

[rich sapphire]

Wait a social area in warmup could go hard

[junior crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-superman-gif-632723218522114279

[rich sapphire]

I'll let you Cook....

[junior crescent]

Eu reference

[rich sapphire]

Is he the starman in the sky

[junior crescent]

not exactly...

[dark kernel]

Mentioned this a bit earlier, but all moving platforms are pretty expensive perf-wise (so we'd need to invest here more.) But we do have concepts on standby for something like this...

[dark kernel]

wait give it back

[sour seal]

SUPERMAN 😍 😍

[sour seal]

no keep it anic

i keep dying to eat

[junior crescent]

french superman...

[sour seal]

eat kobayashi's heart too

[pine meadow]

Jess casualy hyping us more, each respond after each one

[woven mural]

Will there be anything new with 1.0 that might help with the frustration of high mobility hunters? Specifically jin and brall. I've heard other people have frustration with it as well, it isn't just me

[junior crescent]

u can go under koba

heart

[sour seal]

ya u told me that one

[junior crescent]

a true

[sour seal]

u showed me dont u remember LOL

[junior crescent]

i tried you cant go under the map

but you can still chill there

[rich sapphire]

Now imagine if every day to day 18 countdown we got a small snippet of the reveal video to hype people progressively

Who's with me

[versed kernel]

pool party eva when?

[junior crescent]

bro is triying so hard

[junior crescent]

soon

[versed kernel]

thx reval

[sour seal]

reval and oc both want it a LOT

[junior crescent]

nah i want pool party beebo

[versed kernel]

beebo on top of a beach ball would go crazy

with a hawai shirt

[junior crescent]

jester beebo

[sour seal]

his bomb with sunglasses

[junior crescent]

him with sunglasses

[sour seal]

and his car is like a ducky outer tube

[junior crescent]

praying for a goated beebo skin

[versed kernel]

TC should hire us for the skins team

[dark kernel]

Thanks. I don't mind criticism of the game, or really criticism of whatever approach we take. But if it gets into slur territory for anyone (dev or not) from anyone. Just tag me.

[junior crescent]

agree

pool party shrike

pool party eva

pool party celeste

would go crazy

[pine meadow]

no

[junior crescent]

[pine meadow]

pool party KP

now we talk

[dark kernel]

Can't disagree.

[junior crescent]

pool party hudson

[pine meadow]

i want KP with sunglasses

[junior crescent]

you know the mundo skin

dr mundo

smth like that

[dark kernel]

Dependent on population size over time. Still down to consider it.

[sour seal]

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-dance-gif-21753782

[junior crescent]

dawg

im making a beebo tutorial btw

but not a normal one

a combo one

[dark kernel]

There should be one - it was some set dressing that we did for that area. If it's missing...well. I'll just note it in case.

[junior crescent]

spl type shit

[sour seal]

huge

[junior crescent]

o wait spl is spanish

xd

i found out 2 new combos in my way of making the combo guide

lol

[dark kernel]

What do you imagine doing in the tavern?

[sour seal]

drinking beer with beebo

[pine meadow]

this part of the map have neons at night time no ?

[sour seal]

pounding my glass on the table and asking for one more beer from oath who looks at me with great concern but gives it to me anyways (underage btw)

[languid shadow]

This might be true! Ill check again at night

[junior crescent]

you cant

[dark kernel]

Jin's been hit so hard, I've probably gotten more mentions around that than anything else.

[junior crescent]

legally drink

[sour seal]

says who

:)

[junior crescent]

in ur country legal age is 21

[sour seal]

frick u reval

[junior crescent]

[sour seal]

grrrrrrrr

[junior crescent]

in my country i can legally drink

at 16

[sour seal]

https://tenor.com/view/ledragon-gif-5836225511151117817

[junior crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-you-are-my-sunshine-tiktok-good-side-holy-gif-1666146645093941717

[dark kernel]

Someday. I would love this.

[versed kernel]

that means its coming surely

[sour seal]

safelocked will we ever get more shiv skins?

[dark kernel]

I also want this.

[quasi crescent]

wtf he is a child

[junior crescent]

who doesnt lets be real

[sour seal]

hes in a lil rubby ducky tube

[junior crescent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720896598829170791/1388659799323050155/togif.gif

[sour seal]

floating on his magical beach ball

[junior crescent]

im a child of god yes kuba

u are right

[dark kernel]

I will always talk to amazing artists. 🙂

[sour seal]

do ideas count as art

[junior crescent]

no

well depends

[dark kernel]

Hahah, now I'm seeing the slew of Pool Party skin ideas. Yes.

[junior crescent]

i also see a lot of ideas

[quasi crescent]

he means ideas

[versed kernel]

in some cases ye

[sour seal]

add pool party shiv and she shoots water from her guns

[dark kernel]

Can Beebo get drunk? Probably.

[sour seal]

anything for an actual shiv skin

[versed kernel]

i did art in school tbf

[sour seal]

well beebo is like a child right?

[quasi crescent]

sorry then ure the goat

[junior crescent]

no

[dark kernel]

Yeah.

[sour seal]

damn.

[junior crescent]

he is 300 yo

[sour seal]

:0

is he like one of those weird anime characters

[rich sapphire]

Was the new skin confirmed Beerbo

[junior crescent]

that was funny

well done

[rich sapphire]

Wowza thanks

[pine meadow]

• Background remix of the SV music playing on jukebox
• A bartender robot making silly jokes
• Some Easter Eggs and community inside joke in it
• maybe some minigames ?
• The ranked leaderboard displayed on a wall.
• Being able to interact with the newest hunter NPC to learn more about his/her lore.
• Just some part of the lore overall
• a scene, to be able to talk out loud to the crowd.
• an interactive map of the BR map, where you can point out things want talk with other ppl.
• A change-room, to change your hunter and skin.
• make it responsive with seasonal events
• and more !

a cosy place

[junior crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/wiwiwi-cat-cat-cute-cute-cat-gif-17561439322157862353

[pine meadow]

to discuss and meet other ppl

[sour seal]

getting drunk out of your mind as void

[versed kernel]

that is alot of ideas

[junior crescent]

like superman

[dark kernel]

Oh, you're right - screenshot's a daytime screenshot.

[languid shadow]

"Beebo is also 10% lighter than other Hunters. All impulses affect him more."

[junior crescent]

so

he gets more drunk

[sour seal]

THE IMPULSE TO GET BLACKED OUT :0

[languid shadow]

Club penguin has entered the chat?

[junior crescent]

banger game

[junior crescent]

(i wasnt even born)

[pine meadow]

don't ask questions about why i play Elluna double Glider jets

[languid shadow]

oh so im not going crazy, love that house and wish i could go inside 😦

[sour seal]

real as beans

[dark kernel]

Oath, desperately healing you.

[versed kernel]

oath is not allowed in

[junior crescent]

"underage btw" 🥀💔

[junior crescent]

eva is

[dark kernel]

Ever? Yes.

[woven mural]

Man would I love a drunk hudson(skin idea???)

[junior crescent]

come to papa

with a drunk papa skin

crazy

[sour seal]

now? :3

[junior crescent]

average spanish dad when drunk

hudson skin

[dark kernel]

I would say...great artists typically have some great ideas of their own. 🙂 And like to operate with some level of autonomy, as do we all.

[dark kernel]

I like it.

[dark kernel]

Beebo probably has more going on than we think.

[dark kernel]

Beerbo in the tavern.

[rich sapphire]

Yes

[dark kernel]

Interesting. Prox chat probably would make this more chaotic, hahah.

Rather than cozy, I mean. But it's fun.

[dark kernel]

Yeah! This is the perfect view.

[dark kernel]

No comment.

Phew. Got through everything, I think.

[pine meadow]

btw it's not only my screenshot, but the neons are super pixelated compared to the rest, idk if it's my settings tho

[sour seal]

i will create more

MUAHAHAHAHA

[dark kernel]

Lol

[sour seal]

no im kidding enjoy the rest of ur day :3

[dark kernel]

I'm past time, so need to get back to work before the end of the day.

[sour seal]

thx for reading through all of our yappington

[pine meadow]

yup thanks for the talk ! time to bedge for me, can't wait for the 1.0 !

[versed kernel]

thx for hanging out Jess

[dark kernel]

I'll be back soon though, as usual.

[sour seal]

https://tenor.com/view/coffee-good-morning-hachiware-picmix-pokemon-gif-8482992487132185043

[dark kernel]

Yeah! Have a great weekend, all.

[sour seal]

replace morning with night

[languid shadow]

You aswell, thx as always!

[distant mountain]

1. Does TC think the amount of CC in the game right now is okay?
2. Any plans on improving epic skins, given their cost and lack of new features like color changes?
3. Any plans to make level 4 upgrades more impactful on how you play your character?
4. Are you guys aware of how frustrated players have been feeling about the balance state and TC over reliance on stats to make balance decisions?
5. Remove brall lmb knockback pls.
6. Any fixes for netcode issues on the way?

missed the chat but just gonna leave this here since tom didnt had the time to mention this questions on the interview

[distant mountain]

and thats a bit unlucky

really wanted to read the patch at least a little bit before playing

[pseudo isle]

Game is doomed just from anti heal being the way it is. Not fun to use not fun to play against and 80+% of playerbase wont give a damn if its changed to % based and power is shifted elsewhere. Doesnt seem to be a place holder to for example nerf of buff movement tools around the map etc since that happens anyway

Game lacks massive amounts of depth and skill ceiling and its still hard for new players because the depth is basically just endless options that u cant decide on when they are consistantly the right option to go with. Goodluck advicing a new players to take one power everygame while its very possible its good one game and shit in the next. Now consider all powers through that scope (through the eyes of a new player maybe) with ones more or less usefull in whatever way ( this essentially just doesnt matter because its not providing enough fun or anything to compensate for how it screws with the balance of the way people learn to play, people are lost and overwhelmed the moment they open a vault and see 10 different powers with different rarities, functions, strengths, and god forbid that they get ganked during the processing of it). If tc wants to maintain a higher amount of varying powers my personal suggestion would be to start seasons with lets say a low amount of powers maybe even 10, and through the season build up to a season limit. Maybe there are permanent powers that are there every season, maybe the harder to balance ones like wings are chance or we based. That way u can target casuals as u guys like and tryhards who want to have consistancy. But u are not alianating new players by being forced to throw 10000 possible combinations at them. And my idea is just one of many approaches regarding this. And this is just one arguement for whh this many powers is bad of the multiple i can think off with the upside strongly overshadowed as of right now. Dont wanna elaborate more cos too much text

And less need for such extreme account limitations which is just abysmal to have to consider gojng about it like that even if it is a good option id still prefer a diff good option over it

Armory adding more variables/combinations while powers unchanged = game is doomed. Thatll be my voodoo curse but i hope im just a shit magician that gets banned from using more magic by the foreseeing overlords

Also idm fully explaining the depth that covers the difference when comparing supervive to other brs but many things are too long to write

[silver roost]

So I actually read this entire thing, and overall I agree with the statement that powers feel overwhelming for beginners, especially after talking to a various amount of them, however the main issue for a majority of new players is the lack / the feeling that there is to little room for improvement when every game feels coinflippy ( of course to us, who have more experience it does not feel coinflippy what so ever, atleast ranked ), its mainly the way the game gets perceived and that endangers the player count of this game, the heavy weight of how coinflippy this game can feel for a beginner, a majority of this feeling is also originating from horrid matchmaking, like imma keep it a stack, getting matched against goldies as a legend feels horrid. I dislike playing against them cause it feels like I am farming them. However, matchmaking has to stay like this if 1.0 wont increase player count.

[pseudo isle]

Yup

So then consider 40 new players in a lobby wiggling around and the game quality of each rank being overall lower than it could be due to the slow and confusing learning process

[silver roost]

yep, what could actually be introduced is map changes along the ranks

Id see that be a heavy improvement for the game and feel of game

[pseudo isle]

and ill add in another issue tc has admitted to struggling with which is understanding how to make players learn macro. So its not just powers gameplay wise that are heavily limiting its also macro and other things but again i dont wanna write too much

[silver roost]

Honestly, the macro in this game is heavy to pick up, especially coming from league

I had previous experience with Dota and other Battle Royale's namingly Apex, which helped me out here

However as a beginner not going academy 1 round feels devestating 😂

[pseudo isle]

I found it incredibly easy cos i coach and view league easily throjgh that lense. But my view isnt the average view so

i could immeditly see thenproblems

[silver roost]

I play scrims in league, however, my macro aint the best, its mainly micro tbh.

I am also not that good at the game in its entirety, I mainly play for fun atp

[pseudo isle]

This is just a singular decision also

u can explain going to academy on drop very easily however what path to take in the following 5 minutes becomes a shitfest part due to it being br and open ended and part due to the bad flow from the game itself

[silver roost]

Honestly, there is another core issue with it, its simply that it encourages bad macro decision making

[pseudo isle]

And ive explained to a dev personally how to improve on this with a few examples as i was asked to say things abojt the game as a gift on call

[pseudo isle]

yes

[silver roost]

Ill keep it a stack, academy is not that good of a drop, no matter the round, yes level 7 is a huge advantage, but macro wise, academy encourages bad playing.

[pseudo isle]

If academy is good by default 8/10 games then it just means it turns into a brainrot decision people get used to and dont think about. Wether u can or not doesnt marter when the reality is the average player isnt incentivized enough or simple doesnt care and plays for fun so they default the easiest and strongest decision. That when nerfed turns into more delayed improvement stacking with things like powers

When u view the big picture of this games issues it becomes clear why its so overwhelming its not one thing or another its layers on layers

[silver roost]

I absolutely agree, I wanted to make a point ill write it out 1 sec

[pseudo isle]

im gonna catch some more sleep but ill read reply later

[silver roost]

ait man, always nice discussing w ya bro

[pseudo isle]

likewise :3

im still bit assholish in my choice of words but fk it ahaha

[silver roost]

nah bro

its what i fw

xD

I mean I can see how teaching macro in this game can be frustrating, especially when you have parts of the map like coldfang, academy, Prisma Falls, Wraiths Row that all feel like they try and convince you theyre good drops but 90% of the time theyre heavy coinflip.
( I forgot Ion Acres )

its a heavy missconception that these drops are safe, they always put you out in the open, not only that, Prisma and Wraiths Row both are usually easily contested, causing heavy fights early on.

-> which in long term is problematic to a matches lifespan, especially in low elo where stuff is way less coordinated, if I compared it to e.g. scrims or ppl that know each other in legend, its gonna be insanely long games.

Ion Acres, is not only contested but usually puts you in one of the worse conditions in the game, especially if Veingrove is contested, you are very like to not hit level 7 + again youre very out in the open.

Yes these three drops heavily encourage agressive play and PVP, but its unhealthy for a game like this where a majority of complaints I got from newer players is that the games feel short and coinflippy.

Regarding Coldfang, acadamy and dawn caps ( another one I forgot )

-> These three heavily encourage bad macro, a lot of times people dont know how to map out a gameplan after dropping in either of these three positions, that up until High Master.

--> Sure tthere is usually something to gain here, but the rotation from either dawn caps or coldfang to uncontested camps in other areas is basically not present, also reaching level 7 again is very hard in a majority of said areas, besides academy, where you can camp hollows for ghost, but if you drop academy youre usually level 7 either way sooo thats a big who cares. ( for a majority of players )

its simply that a big part of supervive as is right not encourages dirty macro / bad macro and the powers should become more focused (imo) on fixing macro issues, like grappling, blinkstone, glider jet.

[pseudo isle]

Part of the troubles any of these macro depth related things brings can be fixed by having fundamentals in place. It makes more sense if i could explain fully but while not needing to mimic a regular moba, considering some thought patterns in how they could help achieve easier to learn and teach macro is liquid gold. The explanation id like to give covers why its good for supervive to take this kind of “ big swing” versus its br competitors immediatly seperating itself more from direct competition while remaining close to the game it was regardless. This game is in a unique position within the game industry but it lacks the right approach in the right areas. Things like resurgance tackles an issue but doesnt fix it, tutorials and tips CAN tackle an issue but again the root isnt fixed, onboarding tackles an issue but the root issue is once more there. And across the game this pattern exists, in its ideas, reworks, systems, through powers, character design philosophy and close to nothing is actually fixed. Its more so shifted into different root issue thats to a very big majority of players and or devs not immediatly obvious which is confirmed by reliance on data. So im strongly of opinion that the devs could use advice regarding a big picture view of games and the experience gathered from actually playing and learning them. Rather than trying to work around issues where the root of it seems to be misunderstood even though it might not be incompetence in skill, it can simply be a lack of insight/experience/knowledge

[silver roost]

I strongly agree, however collecting data over own experience is not necessarily a good thing, think back at riot august buffing is otps over and over again so he could climb etc.

if you patch based on your own experience you need to stay down to earth, only because idk brall feels opressive one game, doesnt make him op

[pseudo isle]

Both are usefull

But when u try to do both while one is very easy to understand and on the second you THINK you understand but really you dont. That creates a never ending stream of confusion thats usually not realized until much later. And i dont think supervive has the time to go to that "much later"

[silver roost]

Precisely, they gotta act 'now'

[pseudo isle]

I dnt have as much thrust in them as i did when i first heard and discovered about the game etc, but we can still be surprised too so is not like its 100% doomed

[silver roost]

I mean honestly, the fact that they revamp the map

may help the game a suprising amount

it might work wonders

[pseudo isle]

Thats an example of something that can assist with the above mentioned proper solutions in solidifying it. Just the map on its own being changed wont be enough but yea it will feel refreshing and add to how long ppl might stay invested. But the map has like a ceiling in how much it does due to the way the game plays from top down view anyway. So unless the map design is thoughtfully designed around the games systems and gameplay, potentially the macro, movement etc i dont think its a major thing

[silver roost]

honestly we can only pray atm

[pseudo isle]

This was random yap sesh while sleep deprived. But together with it and realizing that even at highest elos in league players to this day still strugle with applying individual tempo/team tempo correctly and consistantly among all the other skill & knowledge checks in the game. league has many items, but not every champion can easily go every item. Theres alot of rune options, but u can not go every single rune and have it be optimal. Theres 5 different lanes to play ur champion in, but not all of them are optimal. And on each part of leagues design, things are relatively easy to make sense or explain and is STILL by many misunderstood because at the end of the day the amount of things that a player CAN learn is very big. And naturally not everyone will do as they should, or change bad habits.

^ But even a player like that, who refuses to stop going yuumi attack damage mid now stuck in platinum, will by the nature of the game come to learn and at some point accept he has to change his ways and improve in order to continue ranking up. These barriers exist across leagues rank systems, its not for nothing that ppl infamously say "master is dogshit lol/ u can get to master just play what u find fun" etc. It because its true, doesnt make a master player completely trash and retrded, but it does mean that there is no full mastery or understanding of the game present, but that the base level of play which is basically taught to the player by experience and gametime in most natural cases is high enough. Which allows for that rank to further improve those things cos u actively practice versus it and for the ranks above to start slowly the higher u go experiementing and adding things on top of it AKA simply macro vs advanced macro, combining individual tempo together with team tempo, from managing wave states to managing individual minions aswell, to playing a matchup picture perfect versus better players to knowing how to find windows otherwise not possible by actually ignoring rules & fundamentals strategically etc etc.

Those things are not established automatically if u just give players in league the possibility to go 50 different items per champ, u can play ur champ in all roles without being too far from optimal, no established early/mid/lategame to supplement character balance amplifying how shit the first two things i just wrote will feel and so on. Wether listening entire vid or not, when u consider just what im writing and the fact supervive wants to target casual players with the game itself being competitive by nature its an obvious clash in what the reality is in various ways. The better your understanding of these things and how much each thing matters in relation to how much or in what way its present in your game in relation to what your trying to put out, the more easily youll be able to find and think of solutions to problems. And ull learn to understand more accurately what kind of solution does what exactly for retention/player satisfaction/ranked integrity/solo vs stack power difference/ skill/knowledge and so on. So wether me or someone else. I think if devs are educated on these things they should be able to save the game from atleast going into it being doomed. Wether theyll end up with 20/50/100/200+k playerbase, it should allow them to steer the game in a less than doomed direction because almost everyone realises the potential the game has. Ill end it there ig

Holy possibly my biggest bible

XDD

[junior crescent]

fix platforms killing u over abyss

thoughts?

[pseudo isle]

Use glider noob

[tidal light]

Woah, didn't know we had an armchair dev!

[pseudo isle]

Well any1 free to argue? Or say im wrong and why go ahead major lazor

[junior crescent]

do u even know what i mean

[pseudo isle]

im assuming u insta die if it breaks r smthng but not rlly but smthng close to that prob

[junior crescent]

does that work?

[pseudo isle]

the linK? yea

[junior crescent]

https://www.twitch.tv/draekos_/clip/ImpossibleDoubtfulHornetHotPokket-8A8Szh2uhzMpnSHb

this happens to me

once in every tournament

idk why

and its cancer

cause today we were gonna win a game and we die by a platform of my own teammate

[pseudo isle]

lol

[junior crescent]

legit idk if its a bug

or what is it

[pseudo isle]

That makes no sense

[junior crescent]

but gives me cancer

[pseudo isle]

Cos he doesnt even travel long enough without platform existing to die to abyss

[junior crescent]

i dont even know why you die

[pseudo isle]

he just insta dies on spawning it xD

yee

[junior crescent]

today i wasnt even low enough

like i was a little below abyss

not even gliding

like hovering

and that shit kills me with the border

[tidal light]

You being right or wrong doesn't matter at all to what I said :P

[pseudo isle]

Only thing i can think of is that he was travelling downards r smhtng and spawaning platform on top of him maybe pushed him into his death or ? XD

[pseudo isle]

yea but u come out of woodworks every once in a whiel on like 2/10 things i write to make some shit joke instead of argueing something instead. I mean if it makes ur day any better feel free to continue but ye

since im also a joke developer id advice like a bit more creativety and thought so even the person being laughed about can enjoy the joke so its all inclusive !

[tidal light]

Why would I want to argue, what point would that serve? lol

Was just making a joke about you being an armchair dev

[pseudo isle]

minor pleasure

is ok im lowkey only tilted from that cos im dissapointed i dont see similar arguements or devs talking in that kinda way. But idm the joke itself

ppl dont rlly tie issues together much and i word it in toxic way or like a know it all at times but i just think it needs to be said either way

[odd stratus]

I really hope 1.0 is good. This game is making me tilt with all these bugs, lag and unbalanced hunters..

Still love it, but damn, not being able to play ranked as a team, lag spikes with certain hunters animations, no ranked arena, too fast ttk, broken combos etc is getting to me..

[late hinge]

fax we need ranked arenas

[odd stratus]

Ranked arena would be so dope. Would get people playing arena again here in asia for sure

I miss being able to q up for arena games whenever. Those first 2 months after steamfest were so fun

[woven mural]

Main things I hate about the game rn. Got a few other things but those are the main things. Getting 3 tapped by myth or zeph doing a bazillion damage while having 2nd highest healing is bs.

[rich sapphire]

Well I hope theres some sort of tank variant with omnivamp stat but its good we tried still. I will forever miss you, Vampiric Helmet

Rest in peace.

[junior crescent]

[distant mountain]

u lost your battle sadly

[rich sapphire]

I must give a proper send-off I will prepare one last tribute

[inner kayak]

Hey! thank you for the insightful arguments!
My thoughts:

1. High number of powers is always definitively better for game longevity. More variety and strategic options create lasting engagement.
2. I don't know the armory system details yet, but if it's designed to interact with powers, it creates a combinatorial effect that exponentially increases complexity—which is definitely good for the game's longevity.
3. The beginner overwhelm problem is real, but we shouldn't tone down the game's strategic depth just to address this issue. Proper explorations could be:

A. Defer selection choices: Give "power boxes" instead of direct powers, so players can pick them up and open them later when they have time to decide.

B. Give time to read item descriptions: The current game favors constant action and movement. Reading things and pausing for strategic thinking is usually punished, but players need that breathing room.

[woven mural]

I wanna comment on the new map before I completely forget what I wanted to say.

Jin, kp, and honestly even hudson might feel worse to play against with this much abyss. Jin is pretty clear cus he kind of says "this is my domain" when near the abyss; kp's dunk causes something similar but just isn't to as much of a degree especially cus it's actually fucking dodgable, but if a kp is hiding and randomly appears won't feel the best cus good chance it'll be pretty damn hard to react to that and you just fucked if your dash is down; hudson due to his insane ledge guarding capabilities, place wire and that person is just unable to come up onto that land without just getting cooked and if it is possibke to increase range the person just has to pray and if they try to dash onto the ground to mantle hudson's dash can just keep them off of land do they even more fucked. You might think ghost could cause the last thing but at least you can actually get onto land, but the out of vision thing ig also applies to him.

Maybe they'll be a way to tell if someone is near out of vision, which would help like crazy for every character I mentioned except jin.

Jin's kit is almost guaranteed to be some sort of problem with this much abyss. Even with the ability to tell he is near that won't fix the issues. I don't like how rn cus he feels like he ruins abyss fighting and just makes it so you aren't even allowed to interact with it, but with this much more abyss he's gonna be an even bigger problem. I personally think he's unhealthy for the game rn, but with this much more abyss I feel like it'll be ao so much worse.

I fear

[pseudo isle]

Well yes we ahould tone down the game and reason why is cos the combat itself lacks depth as to why everyone is so gappy with all the powers and shit. And armory will make it so much worse, less consistancy more variables u cant predict less competitiveness in a fame that already doesnt understand competitiveness. U can disagree with me but there needs to be a balance. Maybe arguement for something like longevity ok but theres another arguement that directly invalidates that. U gotta lokk ag the big picture. Its not as in hey this will do that and that so it will simply happen, thats not how it works and less so if u have the goal of making jt competitive. rankef already sucks in many ways, party sizes suck, more rng from armory, still many powers its too much even though i could lern it all i personally cba investing time in ranked system where i can drop with advantages yet versus 3 stack party as example among other reasons as to why game wont be worth it in long run and ill likely just stick with league

[silk thicket]

Remember

We get ships and highways

But yeah.... Interesting

[woven mural]

The real question is, do dunks go through vehicles? They likely do. I'm insanly worried about jin with that much abyss, sure ig it will make jin stronger but he actively takes away a lot of the akill expression of abyss play and by jist existing within 10 miles of you you want to avoid the abyss making having that much abyss feel kind of weird

[silk thicket]

Yea agreed

[woven mural]

Will there be talk today? I kinda wanna ask some questions, not really about 1.0 systems just some issues that might surface and what they could do about them

[dull echo]

All of it sounds very cool. Worried about the execution.

[woven mural]

Same tbh

[silk thicket]

#1395580353435009184

had some dev response

[dark kernel]

Morning! I’ll be in and out getting ready for the launch.

Reading all the theories right now, but yeah - more details to come. May change some of the callouts here, but we’ll see. 🙂

[distant mountain]

omg hi jess

[woven mural]

1.0 hyyyyype, me excited

[dark kernel]

Hi!

Same.

[mossy hemlock]

hype hype

[distant mountain]

can we ask some questions or u are just reading what has been posted before?

[mossy hemlock]

I have theories and plans galore right now

[dark kernel]

Selfishly want to play this build more.

[mossy hemlock]

Hope you guys on the team are doing well

[dark kernel]

Mm. I’ll personally probably keep to what’s already been said.

Reason why is that there’s enough details that if I answer every question, we’re probably recreating patch notes.

Lol.

[mossy hemlock]

But patch notes recreated is what we waaaaant /j

[woven mural]

Hoping this kind of stays the case so it doesn't feel literally unwinnable just cus someone has higher levek stuff than you.

The isochron's staff seem to at least be what I mean with this msg. Just a little worried about it feeling unwinnabke if your stuff isn't maxed which might be bad.

[dark kernel]

But a feature breakdown will come soon. And I have my..15 page doc and 100+ page deck if we want to go over every detail after.

[woven mural]

If i may ask a very simply question, what does the "-5" on op.gg mean. Like it says "T5-5" for every exotic and i wanna know the second half.
Pretty simply question.

[distant mountain]

ok

just want to know if we are getting some more info about armory before the patch

[distant mountain]

also if u could give quick answers to a few of these i would be very glad

[dark kernel]

It’s tough to go over item balance without going through the other systems changes coming out. But yeah, we plan to have an eye on item balance.

[dark kernel]

It’ll come with the patch.

[distant mountain]

unlucky

just hope i dont have to use some translator to get info before hand like we used to

[woven mural]

Yea I'm not gonna go into more cus it's kinda hard to without actually having played it. Just my early thoughts on how the system should be.

[dark kernel]

OP.GG isn’t done yet - would wait for their finished update.

[tidal light]

Happy leif erikson day jess!

I am here to help answer stuff!

[woven mural]

Also, new map = jin scary cus so so much abyss. Am also curious on the new spiking system, idk if it's dmg based or what

[distant mountain]

did u get to play arena on 1.0 patch?

and what chars did play?

[tidal light]

Didn't get enough time to play arena/I dont think it was working for our build

[distant mountain]

any cool build u can talk about?

[tidal light]

https://tenor.com/view/wrestling-chair-pileup-throw-chair-wrestling-chair-pileup-gif-16233481

[late hinge]

tell us about the new spiking system

[tidal light]

Lol joking, cant spill EVERYTHING, I'll let jess tell me if I can say who I all played lol, but I will say I had a very fun Bishop build that I dubbed "Seven Page Bishop" that was VERY CDR focused

[topaz robin]

will be there any new video until 1.0 that talks about systematic changes or its all we got for now?

[late hinge]

and why we getting no info

[distant mountain]

we have some info about new stats

did u get to cook with it like with attack speed

[silk thicket]

Actually just that yeah

do we get glider changes? Because

i think that's a point thats SUPER touchy

and scary

[topaz robin]

cant translate smh

[tidal light]

I only went attack speed once, but it was on a character who I wasn't super comfortable with so I didn't really notice it

[late hinge]

fatestrikes is right

can we have info in the glider please

i know u are scared of our reaction

bcs its such a important aspect in the game

but it will make no difference

[late hinge]

to the game launch

[distant mountain]

wonder how that will feel on felix

[woven mural]

Hudson go brr even more :D

[distant mountain]

no hudson want dash distance

[topaz robin]

@tidal light do you think with the changes the game has shifted to more casual gameplay or its still has its competetive aspects? (freaky sweating)

[distant mountain]

did u guys got to test the items acquisition?

[tidal light]

I think it will 100% make casual players more happy, as they will have more options and more diversity in their builds, wacky shit is always better for games. But that isn't to say compeditive integrity is gone, the other base changes, like higher ttk, REALLY heighten the compeditive experience IMO making fights more dynamic.

[topaz robin]

So you would say in comparison to the scrims that you prob seen the quality wont drop down?

[woven mural]

Dash speed would be more important. We will see

[tidal light]

At the start it may be a bit... slower? Maybe a tad bit less organized, but, like, that's to be expected from a new system. Once they get their bearings on the flow, and how to prioritize certain relics and consumables and stuff, I think comp/scrims will 100% get back to the state its currently at, and probably go above it. There are a lot of new perks and relics that aren't the best in every build but are amazing counters or flex slots for certain areas.

[topaz robin]

thx for answering that 👍

[devout topaz]

Omg early Jess talk

[tidal light]

And idk what I can say about glider changes lol, but it's good/appropriate

[late hinge]

appropriated to the noobs that die spiked and cry

[dark kernel]

Hiya - yeah, woke up around 6. Have my coffee.

[distant mountain]

dw more abyss for u to dunk

@tidal light does brall lmb still knockback?

[late hinge]

ye if they changed jin

[distant mountain]

they did

he a monkey now

[late hinge]

😆

[dark kernel]

Lol what the…

[tidal light]

He aint they are VERY different hunters

[late hinge]

he has a dunk too right

every melee champ in this game has a dunk

maybe not felix

[distant mountain]

felix and beebo dont

[distant mountain]

just kidding

[late hinge]

beebo has his ice rmb

[distant mountain]

but what about brall lmb knockback?

is it gone?

[distant mountain]

true

and felix has spray lmb so it balances it out

[late hinge]

yea that makes sense

[dark kernel]

Feature breakdown will have everything - best place to drop info on bigger upcoming changes hasn’t been these threads.

[distant mountain]

tho brall and oath could go without dunk since they have ranged autos

[distant mountain]

one day this will be gone

just hope it doesnt take too long

[late hinge]

hahaha

[woven mural]

Haha your funny. It'll stay forever

[distant mountain]

u have to believe

[mossy hemlock]

possibly a hot take but I think DI made Brall LMB knockback less obnoxious

[distant mountain]

just like arena qs

[mossy hemlock]

I would say it's still annoying but

Not as bad

[distant mountain]

barely changed a thing to me

would rather see it gone than have di in the game

have been feedbacked on a hundred times already

[mossy hemlock]

The main pain points are still there yeah

still eats your dashes and whatnot

[distant mountain]

worst part is u start to fly out of nowhere

[woven mural]

Wait you actually felt the di? I tried many times to use it to my advantage but it felt liek i just couldn't

[mossy hemlock]

it's not like 4 LMBs and you're knocked off the edge and dunked with little say into anything else like it was before

[distant mountain]

anic they introducing attack speed

the shasheen is coming back

this shit has to go

[woven mural]

Keep it for one patch, it'll be kinda funny to watch.

[mossy hemlock]

I am not opposed to it being removed to be clear, I still find it pretty annoying but it's not nearly as bad as it was

[dull echo]

Does attackspeed affect hudson Lmb 🥺 👉 👈

[distant mountain]

even if its not as bad i want it gone

still causes netcode issues but brall got it back somehow

[pseudo isle]

I want minimum half of powers gone and for there to be armory metas so players have more consistancy. More rare powers = later in the game only = u know where to go = u know the risk u take = more consistancy = not killing build diversity = ur game is 10x as good for tryhard players and casuals are in no way harmed cos they wont even use all powers as is. bomboclat

whos gonna process all that info of armory and powers that are not consistant team to team or game to game as they get ganked by a team

Full for fun casual = its ok, but trying to make this competitive/ for ranked to really matters is like an endless war that will never be won

br = inherently competitive so theres basically the core issue with the game

[silk thicket]

I do think if spiking is worse and theres MORE abyss

Dunk hunters will be...

mhm.

[dark kernel]

Ok, back in this thread.

Ohh, it’s build convos.

[tidal light]

Can I post my message?

[dark kernel]

Let me check!

Seems good.

[tidal light]

Awesome

I played 6 matches during my little test, the first 3 were raw accounts with nothing unlocked (And you did unlock things a very healthy rate I noticed, had a few items on the third game) and everything unlocked the last 3

• Game 1 I played Wu Kong, He is a very fun long duration fighter with a low DPS but constant damage. The match was a lot of getting used to the new systems and feel, while also figuring out some technical stuff, But the endgame, as in the last like 4-5 minutes of the match was some of the most dynamic gameplay I have had, with plays happening that could not be possible live.

• Game 2 I played Crysta (Definitely not just cause of the skin) This match ended up being a poverty run, where I was behind most of the early game, but on Day two I was able to get myself back into it and though I was under equipped I was able to make a play, get myself equipped, be back on an even playing field, then fuck it up and lose.

• Game 3 I played Felix, he felt extremely good, and the new items had a big impact on his play, did not do too well this game, had a few mistakes that cost the game early so I wasn't able to build up into the late game

• Game 4 I played Jin, This was the first game we had everything unlocked, so I had one goal, go as fast as I possibly could, which I did, I was effectively constantly at the MS cap, and was able to zoom around the map, the build I was able to make wasn't necessarily the best, but it was fun as hell and unique, which is something that I can say is very specific to this new system.

• Game 5 I played Bishop, This was the match where I had a goal I wanted to achieve, I set out to achieve it, and made/discovered "7 page bishop" a VERY CDR focused build that gave me near constant uptime, but not a lot of damage or tankiness, this match was honestly one of the most fun matches of SV I have ever had, and Is the high I will be chasing at launch, and we didn't even win

• Game 6 I played KP, but messed up and got killed 4 minutes in lol

Overall It was a great experience and I was able to really impact the way I played through the different items I got and it changed how I approached engagements and rotations

@distant mountain Since your were asking earlier

[lament zealot]

after waking up again (got my sleep schedule shifted for an NA playtest of another game) I am still struggling to understand why these changes are considered good for the game, when it just inherently feels like grinding for the sake of being able to play the game

especially when it's shit like "this thing does 10% more damage if upgraded" I don't think that's conductive to competitive integrity of a ranked ladder

it would make sense for an extraction game but imagine if I had to get my account to like level 60 in LoL to have Trinity Force/Bloodthirster/Collector all unlocked and if I did unlock them earlier they have weaker stats than when an enemy buys the same item

[pseudo isle]

Ye i think its just bad. Systems and things in supervive seperate from eachother have the potential to be gamechanging factors for its succes. But when tied together it turns into a game dooming situation. And u can ignore it cos of x y z but eventually the lasting effect of it catches up. And most of that is cos the goal of the game is inherently competitive yet the envoirement ur playing in is not at all

[woven mural]

Saying something that people found fun is good for the game is crazy? When you take into account competitive it might seem bad, just perspective

[lament zealot]

oh it was fun for checks notes 6 games

where everyone started the test on equal account levels

[late hinge]

@tidal light u cant say if they changed jin right

[tidal light]

And yes your experience for Checks notes 0 games really shows how much you "Know"

[dark kernel]

Try it. 🙂

[lament zealot]

besides that point China test had very clear and undeniable negative feedback while the mostly positive feedback comes from people on a creator program with what feels like parasocial relations to the devs specifically, that paints a very clear image in my mind

[tidal light]

Wasn't anything crazy I noticed

[placid eagle]

That would be terrifyingly awesome

[distant mountain]

thx for the answer, im excited to try felix. However, what about brall lmb knockback? Is it gone?

[silk thicket]

@tidal light @lament zealot You should probably both take a step back here

Getting a little more hostile than you need to be

[mossy hemlock]

hi fate

[late hinge]

i think u should continue

[pseudo isle]

10% if upgraded type thing from armory is still ok because u know people will eventually have it. When things become meta (which there 100% should be or eles its a shitfest) u can make calculations on it and limit test to improve ur fights. But nobody is gonna minmax calculate 6 powers and all teh variables that armory brings while realizing ur own teams variables in less than a few seconds. Again it will be for the absolute elite players of which we currently dont have more than a few hand full if anything. And more of those players the game wont seem appealing to, it kinda just creates the situation we have now of insane skill gaps even ifmore people come

[tidal light]

I do not remember sorry :L

[tidal light]

Sorry :L

[late hinge]

Can we please get any info about the glider changes

[distant mountain]

my fight goes on it seems

[lament zealot]

it's his love language I find it's the only method of communication he doesn't immediately brush off

[dark kernel]

Soon.

[silk thicket]

Mika.

Last warning, okay?

[lament zealot]

I'm just stating the rationale

[silk thicket]

But yeah, I'm hopeful to see where it goes, the changes will be interesting at least. I really do worry more about the abyss/map more - It's a really huge change

The progression change is more of a unlock change? so once you have the stuff it's the same really

[dull echo]

👀

[distant mountain]

can we please get brall lmb knock out of the game?

[pseudo isle]

New map looks like a shrike one shot game mode type map

[silk thicket]

Well, still updates to items still, but, interesting

[distant mountain]

di is not really it

[placid eagle]

I saw elsewhere that "boats" are returning. Are these the vehicles shown in game or something else?

[silk thicket]

it's in the trailer video breifly

[feral mortar]

yes, 1.0 trailer

[mint ridge]

It's more than acceptable to disagree with people here, the manner in which we do it can make this a community people want to be in - or a passive aggressive place that people want to avoid.

[dark kernel]

Yeah, these are the real versions.

[lament zealot]

I get that but if you've seen Major's chat history any sincere and cordial concerns he will outright dismiss as doomer without engaging with the substance

[dark kernel]

There’s more investment since we first tried that experiment - but yeah. Excited to talk about them more.

[fallen niche]

Is Frog Jump and Icarus Glide still in the game...

[dull echo]

Can I do the infinite skybox shenanigans with hudson Hover

I will do it again

[pseudo isle]

That is something im actually fully positive about while i dont think it does much for the competitive side or anything cos again its not tied to other things. On its own it could have allowed for a way to combat instant spikes or dunking being strong. A direct counter that brings depth to abyss combat without making abyss combat any less lethal. A noob can easily hop in something and traverse the map, yet if he umps out mid air to fight or w/e > yes

But then abyss combat gets nerfed on a map with more abyss so im like eh w/e

[silk thicket]

HAHAHHHAAHHA

Of course you're going to ask that yui xD

[fallen niche]

YES i need to know for my mental stability!

[lucid bramble]

interesting that the skyshark is a two seater vehicle given trios will likely still be main way to play

[silk thicket]

please tell me they're gone and they can't SLAM ME FROM THE SKY ANYMORE

qwq

[lucid bramble]

1 vehicle for 2/3rds of the team?

[mossy hemlock]

skysharks look so funny

[fallen niche]

i cannot live without those powers, they better come back in the armory system

[lament zealot]

on a wider point actually I say this candidly, having beef with passive aggression whilst working with the creators you do as a studio (including one it's an entire meme at this point to turn his essentially fortnightly crashouts and wishing of death on other players on stream into midwest emo intros) starts to feel like a matter of turning a blind eye

[feral mortar]

so when is abyss arena pvp dropping

[tidal light]

Nyewm

[woven mural]

May I ask if blink got nerfed 👉👈

[dull echo]

Arena map that is just a strip of abyss with 1 island in the middle

[silk thicket]

Honestly looking at op.gg i don't see them

[fallen niche]

yes thats why im worried

[dark kernel]

One of you will win.

[silk thicket]

Mecha boosters could be frog jump

[prisma bluff]

Will we get more information about 1.0 over the course of the week or was the global announcement trailer the only piece of media we get?

[fallen niche]

safelocked, are there new options in the armory system that replace frog jump? Im guessing jumppads still exist as a consumable so that's fine, i'm just worried my Kingpin playstyle is gonna get gutted

[pseudo isle]

Do a supervive con and host 1 hour long player to dev talk sessions so i can communicate better

😼

[distant mountain]

korea will

not sure about everyone else

[feral mortar]

we will

[woven mural]

And we will from the Koreans:) just gotta do some translating like normal

[lucid bramble]

I'm looking at the armory items rn in the opgg site to see if there is anything that is frog jump tangential. blinkstone is still here, i'm not seeing an obvious replacement for frog jump. also wasn't seeing something that obviously looked like it would replace icarus glide. possibly mecha boosters? jumppad looking boots

[fallen niche]

i did not see those

good to know

[distant mountain]

we got icons back nice

[lucid bramble]

they updated the site to include images of the armory items since i last checked yea

[silk thicket]

A lot of them I can see what are

Like grabbly the squid

[pseudo isle]

Id be ok with devs just being based and replying with no or yes. Or argueing with my points even if they know ill argue and say i disagree or w/e. But currently we still just in the blue almost entirely regarding many things which just feels bad. Dev talks are lackingin many areas also everything just kinda brushes the surface. And id like to see more in depth talks done with whoever it is. So we can understand on more than just 1000 hour game/build diversity etc level how the devs view their game and its success. Cos now nothing makes sense to me

[silk thicket]

is grabble hook

so rejoice about that ig

[fallen niche]

eh, dont care

[fallen niche]

i wanna be up in the air and oneshot people for fun

[silk thicket]

this is interesting though

idk what this is

[placid eagle]

Holy art

[silk thicket]

All of the art is really good

I'm curious, was it hired work or just tc itself doing these?

[dark kernel]

Yes. More’s coming.

[silk thicket]

They're super good all of them

[fallen niche]

Yea the art seems very pretty

[distant mountain]

we got zhonyas tho

[lucid bramble]

the art is very good for sure

this game is not lacking in the artistic department fr

[dark kernel]

All TC.

[lucid bramble]

yeah seeing a "statis shard" power which is liekly some form of zhonyas

[distant mountain]

wonder if this is koba related

[silk thicket]

Super super cool then, they're all so amazing, genuinly

Fun to see them get to go ham on something

[placid eagle]

Do you work with Justin on lore for these items? Such as who is Remul in the SV universe?

[silk thicket]

I think i saw something with like, cheaper shop stuff with a members card?

which is interesting