#Happily Eva After (Eva Tournament) Aftermath Thoughts

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boreal shore
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First off, a massive, MASSIVE thank you to @dry shale and @timid leaf for hosting, streaming, and casting this wonderful tournament. A big congratulations to ||TLD|| for winning it, and a massive GGWP to all the teams and players that participated in it. You all did amazing, regardless what place you took.

Since this was a bit more on the unusual side as far as tourneys go, I want to ask everyone who was involved in this tourney (viewer and participant alike) what you thought of her, be it playing as/with/against her in a more professional setting vs soloq (and also because as an Eva main, I am very curious to hear your thoughts on this). I am well aware not everyone played the same amount of Eva since her release, so if you don't have much you wish to share aside from maybe general thoughts, that is completely OK!

I also want to say, I sincerely hope Theorycraft will be able to promote and/or support these tournaments a lot more in the future as I haven't felt that much competitive excitement watching a game tournament in quite a few years, and honestly, now I'm feeling more motivated to climb to legend. Again, thank you to everyone involved and good luck on your next tournament participation ❤️!

P.S. thank you to @limpid tulip (TLD), @hybrid kraken (DOM), @unreal pollen and @west rain (TEN), @odd agate and @night harness (FF), @wraith moat (GCR), and @north fern (MB) for streaming your POVs during the duration of the tournament (I totally didn't have all your streams open, watching your POVs on top of madmagical's stream 👀 ).

north fern
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I'm not an eva professional but she is definitely better in pro play than solo q/ranked. She needs time to scale, her late game is really good imo, but early feels impossible. I still think she needs a buff to be useful (maybe like 2 charges on dash), and fix the bugs. She's still probably the worst character in the game rn, but can still be used in some situations. I think they're going to buff her so keep playing her and become the best. That being said, in this current state of the game where she's designed for squads but released in trios, there are better options to play in ranked. If you care about rp which you shouldn't and just focus on improving at the game then don't play her, but I do think she's going to be good soon.

odd agate
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my thoughts is that eva isnt very good, for alot of situations. Saros is a pretty strong comp pick and heavily counters eva. My biggest issues with the character itself is how janky the tether feels. If someone is standing next to a tree the tether prios the tree instead of the player. I also think that her mobility being as underwhelming compared to other hunters makes her easy to single out in bad fights that you want to disengage from. The ult pull combo is pretty cool tho.
All things considered i dont really see eva being played much in comp to much, seeing as other characters just have a higher priority

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But if toilet is right and she gets buff, could be a much better pick than the other supports

limpid tulip
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I think a big problem with Eva is actually armor. You can keep healing your teammates and keeping them alive, but as soon as their armor breaks they are probably getting 1 shot and you can't outheal a 1 shot.

I think that when your ahead she feels pretty fine, maybe like B tier, but if this character falls behind and your team is behind, you are literally just an ult + Q character. Everyone on your team will die before you do any healing.

wraith moat
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I appreciate you watching 🙂

I think Eva has a very good combo with pull ult.

Her whole walking the dog idea is boring to me and I don't really enjoy it personally tho.

Her lmb feels very janky and her orbs are either op or they just die.

I shift max on her and it feels really good. You get extra distance kinda like bishop shift max and it really helps you position in fights.

Any character with anti heal hard counters her (Felix brall saros) so I'm not sure how well/much she will be played in future scrims/tourneys

limpid tulip
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Also, Brall counters this character super hard. LMB's 2 tap her orbs and there is pretty much nothing you can do. I think if that is always the case she won't be super viable in SoloQ or Comp with Brall's popularity. It forces you to play way too passive, because if you waste anything he goes in and LMB's you to death.

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I think also if they fix the bug with her ult not stunning the full duration over the abyss, the character gets significantly better.

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Because then she has way more kill threat when enemies jump on her.

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And thanks for hangin out and supporting the stream/tournament @boreal shore LemurHeart

odd agate
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i stunned kenneth over abyss and it felt like it was not the full 2 sec

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limpid tulip
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Yea it only stuns for .25 seconds over the abyss, Ex. Pyn in the 1v6 play in the abyss actually got ult stunned by Eva twice over the abyss but the bug makes the stun short and not the full 1.8 seconds.

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It could be an intended thing by the dev's but it's not said anywhere so I just assume its a bug

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limpid tulip
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However if you stun them on land and then push them off, you can still effectively do the combo with the 1.8 sec stun into them falling into the abyss, it's just way less reliable

boreal shore
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I've been pitching the idea of increasing her wall speed on mby rank 3/rank 4, but idk if it'll make the ability a bit too strong

simple arrow
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  1. Magical is the GOAT, everyone knows this.

  2. I've loved Eva's kit from Day 1. My hope for her in the next patch (next week?) is that damage gets buffed, healing gets SLIGHTLY tuned down.

merry hemlock
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Mostly just wishing for fixes to bugs and jank.

Healing down a bit.
(Longer scope maybe make it so her max healing is gated behind dealing damage or something like that??)

Wish lmb dmg ramp could work on a timer instead of loosing the ramp instantly from tether break. Would allow her to manage the orbs without loosing as much damage. Switching targets wouldn't hurt as much, She would be more threatening and the enemies might actually call out "Eva has full lmb ramp watch out"

Rmb sliding against terrain would be nice. So it doesn't get stuck on random terrain.

Shift rewarding the use of the Incorporeal component.
Don't think she needs way more mobility. Maybe out of combat or the shift bonus ms to last longer.
I generally dislike the Idea of just giving her another dash. Feels it would be better for her identity to stay immobile.

More interesting lvl 4 upgrades.
Examples
-rmb rezzing when its on allies
-q cremating wisps or rezzing ally wisps
-shift maybe having 0.1 seconds of Invul frames

timid leaf
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my thoughts from being observer + spectating a few scrims:

  • healing is good if you have peel, very comp reliant as a result
  • eva is decent pre 6 against champs that can't commit as hard to an all in as long as you have some sort of cc, otherwise she seems kind of bad because no ult for combo
  • mid-late game you're just an engage/cc bot tbh. I think it should always be used as follow up cuz it's easy to dodge if someone is paying attention, kind of like a void ult. Strong if it hits though.
  • her abyss fighting is good. More people should yolo chasing because the tether is insta spike, it's like felix or ghost
  • she's kind of power reliant. I saw lemur using double anti-mobi field and it seemed ok. I would consider iron fist tbh but you get the idea. Sand wall, scale, airblast etc

overall her power budget is underwhelming solo. Very obviously a squads champ. I agree with the suggestion to give her another shift, and then if he lmb targeting is less clunky, I think she would be ~B- for soloq, B+ for comp

boreal shore
# simple arrow 1. Magical is the GOAT, everyone knows this. 2. I've loved Eva's kit from Day ...

I have to say, while listening to magical's casting, i was constantly reminded of captainflowers (league caster) and the kind of play-by-play he brought. I think its only a matter of time he gets his own "A QUAAAAADRA KILL FOR HUNI!" casting moment if he hasn't already gotten anything like that.

I also think eva's kit dmg numbers are fine. From all that I've been reading, in her complete state, having the tether work properly, perhaps a decaying heal/dmg when you switch tether targets, and generally a bit more QoL to her utilities would make her much easier to use

boreal shore
# timid leaf my thoughts from being observer + spectating a few scrims: - healing is good if ...

Yeah, from the POVs i was able to watch, the two most reocurring items were rampage and power user. What did surprise me is the use of BGH and last stand. I will say that power user is very good assuming you're able to get peeling powers (some of which you mentioned).

I also agree her abyss fighting potential is strong, however with only 1 dash and not much else to support it, it's not as strong as it could be (i mean who knows she could even rival jin in abyss fights)

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dry shale
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Awwww!!!!

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This is such a great way to wake up ❤️❤️❤️

kindred halo
boreal shore
kindred halo
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also covers for my ass when i int to abyss

wraith moat
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Also tip for you @boreal shore you can feather her autos so it doesn't spike.

timid leaf
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wait wat

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eva auto not guarantee spike?

boreal shore
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Yeah, i still gotta practice my feathering more. I think i more or less got the hang of it, but judgement of the hight and timing i still need to work on :S

wraith moat
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Yes, it's a rhythm but you can absolutely feather them.

I learned it with the sound it makes.

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north fern
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no eva can only attach if shes on the same level as you so if shes on ground and youre feathering below her she cant spike you

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timid leaf
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huh