#Buff these characters

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frosty wind
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Joule - either give her dash reset back or invulnerability back. Otherwise this character is borderline a troll pick

Crysta - make her normal attack come out faster

Hudson - his ult needs serious QOL, it seems very weak and I can count on one hand how many times ive actually seen it execute people.

Saros - fix zoom out bug so I can actually play this character without getting camera locked

Shrike - completely scrap the ult and change it. Or seriously look at its QOL. also bird bomb should float on abyss like other bombs (Saros, Crysta)

Eva - why does she self slow with LMB. She already has low mobility. I don't think this is needed, and it will increase enjoyment playing her immediately.

KP - why is he mana fked. His hook I can understand but his kit is inaccessible in comparison to literally everyone else right now

Am I missing anything ?

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Void - not sure what could buff him. Maybe make his ult more insane control, bigger payoff have it last longer increasing with hunters caught

whole lake
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Joule really does not need a buff. She is honestly fine. The fact she can't just ignore other hunters abilities is good. And the dash reset on knock for her soulsnt be a thing. And she is still strong without it.

unkempt rock
crisp abyss
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Braindead thread

frosty wind
whole lake
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The only hunters I think need buffs are eva and kp. Kp kinda just needs his mana cost lowered rather than actually being buffed(ik this is technically a buff but I mean he doesn't need any number buffs).

Then Hudson does need a rework which is why I try not to ask for buffs for him. His ult is near impossible to hit, it's honestly one of the harder skill shots to hit in the entire game. And than even if you hit it it barely impacts anything since the slows doesn't mean much and you can just dash away and you're fine. It is his main tool to actually finish kills tho, but with that being the case it having a 40 base cd at level 3 is simply way too high.

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Then void I think is fine, if played well he is very strong. His rmb imo needs more clarity tho(I'll continue to say this until it's clarity is actually improved)

crisp abyss
unkempt rock
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Joule definitely needs a buff, she's literally unplayable unless you play against new players or bots

whole lake
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Ah yes, people thinking just cus a hunter got hit hard she now requires a buff. Good joules still do really well. She's now harder to actually get a lot of value with but like, how is that a bad thing? Like I've never understood the take of thinking joule needs a buff, the only bad stuff honestly is the bugs with her.

unkempt rock
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she didnt get hard, she just got completely useless lol, she cant do anything on her own and the reward if all conditions are set right is too low anyways

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she has nothing going for her compared to other hunters, she used to be the only one with resets which made her good for 1vX, now she's the only one WITHOUT a reset so she's just worse at everything than others while also having way more readable kit and counterplay

meager otter
night steeple
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Imagine losing some of your biggest Hudsons simply cause you couldn't figure out how to make a Hudson for Hudson. He is literally one of the Hudsons i loved this Hudson. I am willing to wait through long Hudsons, and odd matchhudsons, the glitched Hudsons here and there and the constant changes to the Hudson. there is a lot of Hudsons to get through to remain a big Hudson. I've invested my time... i invested my Hudson. they only Hudson i was hoping for in return is some new skins for my Hudson to keep things interesting and Hudson. I understand it may be a Hudson design thing... i understand there could be some Hudson hang ups.... but here is the Hudson. you added Hudson to the game, many Hudsons love to play Hudson. If you can't show Hudson some love too... then maybe i wont waist my Hudson waiting in long ass Hudsons and constant changes only to be disappointed every single Hudson. Love you Hudson... love the game... hate to see it go this way. hopefully Hudson will be able to re invest in this game when it officially releases. Hudson am not going to be forced to play who and how you want me to though... ill just play a different Hudson tell you figure it out.

whole lake
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All I need for hudson is a rework that let's him shine more and makes his kit more interesting.

Also something infind funny, so many people deeply misunderstood how Hudson is played and the interactions he has. When he fucks up he is punished some of the most out of every hunter in the game rn. The he plays like a dive hunter cus you don't get much value if you don't play him like a dive hunter. Which supposedly he's meant to just sit in the back and hold 2 buttons which after my hundreds of hours playing hudson I've started to refer to that play style as the "brain dead" play style. And is one of the worse ways to play hudson. And I feel like that specific play style is why hubby has the reputation of being brain dead.
Ngl this is kinda a rant if anything.

whole lake
# unkempt rock she didnt get hard, she just got completely useless lol, she cant do anything on...

I'll say this again, but joule isn't just completely useless. She still has the most resets with her still doing a good amount of smg if played right.

From what I've seen from a good amount of people talking about joule is that they seem to just be mad she now can't ignore a lot of character's abilities. That ofc isn't the full story but some people legit feel like are just mad about that.

I so agree on the fact her identity got a little screwed once the dash reset on knock was introduced.

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Yall I um just had a realization.
Certain characters who simply full short of being able to 1vN should get the dash reset on knock then the other hunters who already can 1vN just shouldn't.

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Basically in short this means shrike, and Hudson would kinda be the only 2 who would need the dash reset on knock.

And probably saros, beebo, and elluna could also reset dash on knock

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I now see the main issue with dash reset on knock.

I've been defending it for a while but I do see why it honestly has to go now.

dense plover
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All for buffing Joule. I never minded her invincibility, only that she could go invincible 10 times within 15 seconds

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Dash reset being gone and abyss specialist allegedly not being a boss drop now should make it fine for her to have invulnerability (should still get caught by Hudson wires).

Dunno if abyss specialist is still an easy get from shops. Hope not

torn snow
dense plover
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Naw

torn snow
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ok

dense plover
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Alright I’ll revise, might be slight hyperbole

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There’s been a while where abyss specialist has been everywhere in a state where it’s been pretty a useable by joule. Easy free 3-4 dashes for a good joule, then a few sec of downtime then another 3-4 dashes and so on

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Without abyss specialist it hasn’t been terrible, but the dash on knock was maybe a bit much

whole lake
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I never minded her invincibility either the only issue I had before was how she dashed through hudson's wires.
But the reason why I don't think her losing the invincibility is as big a deal as some people say is cus literally every othwr hunter has to keep a mental count if whether someone has their main abilities up or nit, and joule's dash allowed her to just ignore that, while literally every othwr hunter had to.

whole lake
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I do get how much of a pain it seems to be for joule players. Due to that I would honestly be fine if they gave her back the invincibility, as long as she doesn't just dash through hudson's wires. I don't want to go back to being unable to play against joule at all as hudson.

frosty wind
meager otter
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His power budget is in his ultimate, that’s a long ass stun. Sure he can be weak outside of that ult, don’t get me wrong but I’m not sure what he needs

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If I get ulted by a void, I pop a movie into my tv and start the popcorn, because I know im dead and it lasts almost as long as morgana

dense plover
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imo his rmb is stronger than his ult

meager otter
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The thing is, in uncoordinated play, it’s broken, in scrims I bet it’s pretty easy to play around

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But randoms wont play around it properly

lapis fox
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void could use buffs to certain things but they'd 100% have to pull power out of his cc abilities to do them

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like if they made his movement faster or reactivateable early they'd almost certainly have to add some kind of spell lockout after teleporting because they'd basically be putting blinkstone in his kit

meager otter
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That much I agree, what specifically they should do IDK

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but his cc is stronk as heck

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So buffin him more would be a yikes

verbal chasm
dense plover
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I feel like its tough to say how exactly void should be changed

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Though I would also support a slight ult nerf (maybe less duration) and a slight buff to other stuff

storm sage
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would love some Q quality of life stuff

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beebo can reactivate bomb while dead void should too

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or neither

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or being able to pop Q while stunned? would be a little busted lol

short stag
torn snow
verbal chasm
rugged latch
night steeple
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Beebo has a 1% chance to summon a bomb anytime he uses an ability.

lapis fox
dense plover
dense plover
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Honestly though hope Beebo gets a good adjustment. He just feels overwhelming and underwhelming (no joke) right now

lapis fox
# dense plover This bomb does 3x damage and has 5x the AoE

beebo also additionally has a 1.69% chance when using any ability to drop a bomb the covers the entire map that does damage to everyone except his team and it guarantees a one shot on the soul warden (he needs slightly more options for reviving his teammates)

dense plover
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I wish his ult would get triple acceleration and 8x turn speed

lapis fox
dense plover
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I also don't get how he picks enemies up in his car. Like when I run over someone irl, they just lie on the road behind me afterwards. They don't magically appear in the backseat of my car

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I have limited experience with that irl (like only 2-3 times) but never had anyone get in my car or be dragged along afterwards

lapis fox
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this.. I just didn't want to seem weird for thinking so

teal storm
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Kingpin does not need a buff, it wasn't good that he was able to go double tech while having 0 mana issues whatsoever

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Now he's simply just not able to go double tech, he needs to get 1 mana item and he's completely fine.

whole lake
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Honestly any hunter like kp running double tech should run into some sort if mana problem. Kp didn't before.
I do personally think, with ny experience with kp, that the only thing that jeeds a mana adjustment is his Q. The other stuff is honestly fine ngl.

neon nacelle
whole lake
# neon nacelle He's still broken

Compared to other hunters, definitely not. He's broken at what he does, displacement and getting picks. Which is why imo, he's one of the stronger hunters in scrims due to his pick potential.

But so many other hunters are just a lot stronger than him, to where he just really cannot be considered broken.

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Don't mean to come off rude or anything, but kp just cannot be considered broken rn.

neon nacelle
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Nah he's def broken the HP on that Hunter is insane even with double AP items

whole lake
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High hp doesn't really make a hunter broken tho? His passive is very strong but it honestly isn't too broken. It does suck how a kp can snowball really hard and you have literally no control over it, but it honestly isn't that bad.

dense plover
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KP is fine rn imo

neon nacelle
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It is though, he just engages you constantly.
He has:

  • Very good synergy with current powers
  • High base and scaling hp
  • Slam over abyss
  • If not slammed over abyss then stun
  • A hook (3 second stun + displacement could be 2 screens away)
  • Decent high base dmg nuke with ultimate
  • Highest versatility in regards to item builds/power

Him and Oath are cracked atm

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Bonus mentions

  • He can also hook ally whisps with the Hook
  • His abilities cover for him one way or the other: If he has hook on cooldown he still has a stun/slam and vice versa
    He's pretty nutty IMO
teal storm
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too bad if he misses the hook or slam he's literally useless for like a full 6-7 seconds

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highest versatility in item builds ?

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he literally has like 1 actual good build

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the only hunter in this game with high versatility in item builds are oath and bishop as far as I know

neon nacelle
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That's the thing, you never have hook and slam on cooldown unless you hit the hook. If you miss the hook you wait. If you hit the hook and miss the stun it's skill issue. But you still have displaced the opponent into an unfavorable spot

teal storm
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also he's relatively slow compared to the rest of the cast.

teal storm
neon nacelle
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Ye if you miss hook and stand there like a target dummy maybe. You still have 2 dashes, your autos + your ult + your stun/slam

teal storm
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stays mid-range as something like myth and there's nothing you can do

neon nacelle
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trueee

teal storm
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myth RMB counters KP, void RMB counters KP along with some other hunters and powers

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putting him on the same pedestal as oath is crazy

neon nacelle
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He's pretty much almost there tbh Oath, Bishop Jin are a dif level because of their mobility but once it's gone Kingpin is pretty much A+/S tier

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And then people complain about his only downside: Mana

meager otter
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Hitting those hooks and breaking up a team formation is cracked

whole lake
meager otter
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I think it’s just a product of limited item pool / the random 4th item

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If we were able to pick what evolution we got

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And they did some slight adjustments to the stats/passives we would be in a good spot

bright notch
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Shrike Ult should be either she shoots 2x as fast for a few seconds, or she can throw an AoE that marks all enemies and does -500 damage. Think Eva ult size. Shrike ult is just a woorse ghost laser XD

median cedar
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^ yeah is it just me or is shrike ult slower than her lmb…

river magnet
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When I play shrike I typically don’t level ult and just put points in other abilities first

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It might be skill issue but I’d almost always rather lmb than ult

dense plover
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The good shrikes I know don't take q until like lvl 12

river magnet
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Anti heal is nice

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Sometimes earlier but it depends

dense plover
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I never played shrike but I’m surprised shooting through walls isn’t considered a nice option to have

frosty wind
dense plover
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I guess it depends on if the enemy can shoot through walls too then? Because against a lot of hunters you're fairly safe when behind cover

But I agree the ult is lackluster in general

whole lake
short stag
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you def level ult before Q

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on shrike. no question

frosty wind
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should void be able to go over lava and electric water without taking damage? I mean he is floating afterall

rugged latch
frosty wind
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oh?

rugged latch
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lava is the only ground hazard he is not immune to

frosty wind
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i just assumed it was the same since i saw him taking damage @ lava

dense plover
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You can electrify water?

boreal bay
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Can we just buff Jin and brall ty

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only 2 champs that need buff

dense plover
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But yea common suggestion to give void lava immunity. But Beebo got it instead

rugged latch
dense plover
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Ah

rose herald
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Celeste 100% needs a buff. Her low damage is fine if her ult is useable. It pretty must just allows enemies to set up big shots on her. If she cancels early, does 0 damage?

Also the ice skate would be cool if the refund amount was 80% instead of 65% so she could be more mobile in fights and have her running away potential unchanged

Also would be nice if her RMB impact had more damage on impact via level ups

nimble drum
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Hudson needs nerf

whole lake
# nimble drum Hudson needs nerf

Idk have you heard of walls or strafing and not walking in a straght line? Or have you tried playing one of the many hunters who just out rqnge and out damage him?

nimble drum
whole lake
# nimble drum Except that he melts anyone and anything.

If the conditions are met yes. But I told you his counter and how to play around him, and becyou can do that stuff Hudson is in fact pretty damn weak. Then there is also the fact his wires take years to deploy so if a hudson is rushed when his wires aren't placed down he just dies.

I really do not get how people can call Hudson op. He is in fact one of the weaker hunters sue to having basically no tools to get of his insane damage and dieing on like a second.

nimble drum
lunar dust
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they want to rework him because he is either broken strong or shit like rn

nimble drum
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He has counters but he is strong enough to defy that. He melts you a second he has sights on you and his wire slows and grounds making it very hard to escape or jump on him

lunar dust
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u just gotta learn how to play around him and he becomes a target dummy

nimble drum
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Also his wires are tanky to kill too

lunar dust
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what hunter r u playing?

nimble drum
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Celeste, Eva, Crysta

lunar dust
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with crysta u can outrange him with your ult

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eva can just ult him and pull him to her orbs

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celeste can kite around him

whole lake
dense plover
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Even supports can kill you in a few seconds

whole lake
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Hudson gets killed by 90% of the characters faster than he can kill them. A stat check character that can't stat check bishopcrazy

river magnet
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If someone is just walking at you when you’re playing Hudson they will die 100% of the time

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Also Hudson is a controller most controllers have lower burst damage or have very easy to counter play burst damage (void) that’s one of the reasons beebo is so strong because he’s a controller with hard to dodge burst damage

whole lake
river magnet
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"hudson gets killed by 90% of the characters faster than he can kill them"

whole lake
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There are so so many hunters Hudson just cannot play against due to how fast they'll delete him. I never said he didn't do high damage. Jist that other characters will kill him faster than he can kill them.

river magnet
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you need to be more specific because hudson is a character that is almost entirely dependent on surroundings

whole lake
river magnet
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that directly correlates to his damage idk what you're on about LMAO

whole lake
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Bishop outranges and 5 taps him, myth 3 taps him while being out of his range, shrike 2 or 3 taps him I don't remember which one but due to him being so slow shrike indeed counters Hudson quite a bit, ha can barely dodge a void stun.

I could literally mention how every character in the game can kill a hudson faster than he is able to do literally anything about them. And notice how I literally never said, "Hudson needs to do more damage" cus that isn't fucking why he loses or why they kill him faster.

river magnet
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you need to give context then because making a wide overview statement like that is just incorrect

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"most characters out range hudson and kill him before he can reach them" would convey your opinion better

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hudson is almost entirely context dependent which is whats wrong with him

whole lake
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If fought in a straight line he will delete people. But if someone fights him in a straight like they are legit trolling.

And if he is fought in a straight line that is the only time he'll really ever kill faster than the enemy, unless it's a ghost cus he for some reason beats hudson in a straight line, cus like why not? Why would they have Hudson be the strongest at the only thing he's strong at, it's just too much to ask for.

crisp abyss
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Celeste buff pls

rose herald
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Hudson is extremely strong at what he can do, and weak in other areas. Just like almost all heroes

whole lake
# rose herald Hudson is literally weak to dives in his character description. Your complaint s...

You did not read shit. I csn tell since I mentioned something about that literally above that msg.

And I am already pretty damn confident you don't play Hudson. For 1 reason, he's evwn weak at what he's supposed to be good at.

The only thing he is truly good at is snowballing fights from 1 knock, he is actually pretty bad at basically everything else. And the only time he gets said knock he'd need is when the enemy fucks up.

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Then ofc there is the fact he can get dived for free 99% of the time, and is out poked by basically every hunter. "Strong at what he does" my fucking ass.

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Also I quite literally never said anything about a hudson buff, that was you.

rugged latch
rose herald
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extremely simple and straight forward, hope you learned something today

rugged latch
whole lake
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I wanna play Hudson yet I csnt if I want to enjoy the game literally at all. So I basically never play him as of late. And it sucks ass cus Hudson is in fact, my favorite hunter.

rose herald
rugged latch
rose herald
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There's so many other characters that could use improvements. complaining about hudson is comical

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Most complaints have SOME merit, this one has none

rugged latch
whole lake
# rose herald Most complaints have SOME merit, this one has none

My complaint is how I csnt do shit to any decent player if I play the character I like. How tf does that have no merit? I literally do bettwr on kp than hudaon even though I know nearly everything about Hudson and basically nothing about kp. Saying that's fine is beyond me.

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And the thing is they are literally going to rework him for kind of this exact point. I wish they'd give something so we didn't have to wait for months to even enjoy Hudson.

Like his bush dash bug made him insanly fun, but rather than trying to make it fair and more balanced they just removed something that made Hudson really fun. He would still need to be reworked even with the bush bug it would simply allow us to actually enjoy him whole we wait.

lunar dust
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no point in discussing hudson rn

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the rework is on its way and thats about it