SUPERVIVE Lore?

[worn stag]

le gasp

[scenic violet]

Shadow bnnuy confirmed

[worn stag]

Wait but wouldn’t the moon melt?

Instead of, ya know, explode?

[stable timber]

I think just the act of a massive energy blast would be enough to cause general explosions

[worn stag]

Then again the moon could be incredibly cold

[stable timber]

Might not be that deep, let me have fun!

Coulda been some fuckin sun laser idk

[scenic violet]

Everything is a bomb if you radiate it hard enough

[worn stag]

You know what? You’re right, we’re in a world with talking life size anthropomorphic animals and fey.

[scenic violet]

and an interdimensional knee-capping penguin-thing

[worn stag]

We have a friendly walking Chernobyl. Why can’t the sun explode the moon?

[scenic violet]

[worn stag]

I mean if the Moon was actually powerful, why can’t the Sun?

[teal pumice]

I think the world of Supervive is very big and we will still have very powerful characters like gods and other creatures.

[worn stag]

So let’s consider the following for a second. Would being imbued with powers by a celestial deity be considered a Soulborn? Or would they be your everyday Paladin?

[green chasm]

It can, but this is more me not being prone to believing the founding mythology of an expansionist political power (they tend to declare distinctly-not-gods as gods to justify their mandate) than thinking the sun somehow wouldn't be manifest or animate in the way of other elements.

https://x.com/playSUPERVIVE/status/1871254449122922497 ah, here we get deets on the Risen Empire - reforging of the fey empire post-rising, seem to be ruled by a group called the nine (also cited as one of the possible people who caused the rising). Given the whole blurb is written through the perspective of an imperial historian, we get a distinct sense that the fey of the risen empire see themselves as the grown ups in the room and humans as chaotic and ill-disciplined. Given the association of fey tech with the more sci-fi and even cyberpunk elements, the RE is likely more dystopian tech-coded cyberpunk rather than what we usually associate with elven and fairie polities.

SUPERVIVE (@playSUPERVIVE) on X

"So much was lost that day, and yet it was a blessing..."

Learn the story behind SUPERVIVE's neon-apocalyptic world:

X · Dec 23, 2024, 6:00 PM

[stable timber]

Dystopian tech-coded? Like…Hudson? 👀

[green chasm]

nah, he's more a scavenger/scrappy sort out in the boonies, though it's possible his gun is some kind of fey tech

I think jin's arm is feytech?

[teal pumice]

Thanks

[worn stag]

I will say that, while this is fascinating to learn about, we don’t exactly have an unbiased source. We don’t actually know if humanity just became savages during The Rising, it’s just told to us. Avalonus, as a narrator, is extremely biased towards the Fey, like I genuinely think he’s racist.

[green chasm]

100%. Like I said, this is how the fey of the risen empire are presenting things

I'm sure human led and human inclusive groups have a lot of little factions - your pirates, your scavengers, your upstart polities like the dominion. But as far as we can tell havenshard has plenty of humans in it, so it's not like they're all chaos (and hey, presenting groups as splintered, factional, and savage is a great pretext to justify conquering them 'for their own good'). We don't know whether the likes of the chancellor or winterdew are human, fey, or wildborn, but their faction doesen't seem split by species lines. But our scholar here definitely is presenting a propogandized or at least slanted account.

[worn stag]

Ok speaking of Feytech and other materials like Feysteel, how does it work and what exactly makes it different from other weapons or materials? Is it just magical or has some magical deterring capabilities? I’m genuinely in the dark about this. Or is it just a buzzword used to explain the technology?

[green chasm]

so far seems a term for a type of tech, which may more may not have a magical source

[worn stag]

Ah ok. I thought we knew more. Was worried I was missing something.

[teal pumice]

and about the history of shiv what is its role in the reborn empire

[green chasm]

she seems some kind of enforcer or assassin - "I'll make your death special" definitely implies that's just her day to day job - but I'm not sure we have details beyond the general link

[teal pumice]

changing the subject, where do the myth's powers come from and are they celestial or spectral?

Feedback

[worn stag]

Both? She was given them by Viriteth who’s a nature spirit. And it imbued her with spectral powers.

[teal pumice]

Thanks

about celeste to which kingdom does it belong?

and why ice powers

[worn stag]

I’m unsure. We only speculate she’s the princess of the same place Ghost serves for, but him calling her princess could just be a name he uses to call her. I’m not sure if the Risen Empire actually accepts Soulborn or half fey.

[worn stag]

Basically, Soulborn were given powers from the elements during The Rising. And if Crysta is anything to go off of, they were either directly next to it, or around it when The Rising happened, which infused them with that element. So I can assume Celeste was in some blizzard or snowy area when it happened, and Joule was in a lightning storm.

Sorry if most of these are just speculations, we the audience have a lot of basic questions that need answered and probably won’t be for a while.

Not to poke at the lore team, that’s just how this stuff goes.

[teal pumice]

Thanks

[teal pumice]

when does season 0 end?

[worn stag]

April 2nd if my memory is right

[teal pumice]

Thanks

[ocean ocean]

No, we don't know yet when season 0 end, but april 2nd is season 0, arc 2

Season 1 will be 1.0 when they're ready for it

[teal pumice]

Thanks

[sullen bobcat]

I need to know as well

[teal pumice]

and this is the new protector

[wild loom]

welp since i cant motivate myself to play this game i enjoy im gonna throw a +1 here for lore since game besides issues has 0 soul to it atm and if the lore is actually good even tho idc about is a sure fire way to get soul into the game

Same with bunch of drama and whatever with yesterdays tourny thats what we need, fkn stories unique experiences just like stories that lore tell players

rn everything just plain, character looks, map, items, names of things the game is more barebones than it comes across at first glance which is where i thinkthe misjudgement for open beta might have came in aswell. Theres not rlly anything besides the gameplay etc that makes u feel immersed into the world/map and while playing the camera doesnt help this either but this point is ok ig. Idk what else i can add but let me tell u whoever or whatever team is in charge of the lore has a golden oppurtunity to both save the soul/game entirely n mke name for themselves

[urban pond]

While I wouldn't go so far as to say "0 soul", I will agree that lore feels a bit disconnected from the game itself right now. There's so much in the game that feels a bit lacking in context and reason, and as mentioned before, what is there isn't really accessible. The game does feel rather empty in that regard, and it's kind of a bummer. I think a major part of a live service game's success isn't just solid gameplay, but an accessible, engaging universe people want to be sold on. Think WoW, Overwatch, League of Legends, Destiny, even Apex Legends.

I'd love to see lore surrounding items, powers, maybe individual POIs. Maybe the Fortnite thing, where there are little objects you could interact with on the map in POIs for some lore tidbits. Maybe interacting with them grants them in the "Learn" tab as unlockables? That's a lot of work for sure, and it has its own set of problems, but I'm more just pitching it as a spitball here, less about the nuance of it all.

On a similar note, for a very short time, there used to be flavor text in the expanded tooltips of abilities and some items, and I'm kinda sad they were removed quickly. Stuff like Chonker, Kingpin's R (or LMB I think?), and some of Bishop's abiltiies had flavor text to them that I thought was a nice touch.

[urban pond]

All this talk on lore also makes me think about seasons as a way to get lore out but I'll save my thoughts on seasons/arcs for a different discussion post as I have Things To Say

[worn stag]

I mean, it’s still there. Elluna is the only one to have flavor text. It’s on her Q. And I dunno, I like the game, I like how the game plays and looks. The voice lines are going to help with the soul of the game when they eventually get added in, most likely on official release. I do wish lore was more accessible from say the official website, so hopefully that happens.

[urban pond]

This message confuses me. I like how the game plays, looks and sounds, never said I didn't. Did you mean to reply to the message above mine with that?

And I think that's the last remaining flavor text. I believe all the rest of it was cut, which is a bummer

[worn stag]

I just wanted to put my opinion about it out there.

[urban pond]

Gotcha, the reply made it seem like you were disagreeing with me on that and I was confused

Would also like to clarify, I love the lore we have so far, my thoughts mostly just boil down to "I would love to see more general worldbuilding and flavor, especially in-game"

[worn stag]

I’d like that too.

Maybe some flavor text about the map locations would be a good start.

Would love to know about places like Academy or Factory.

[green chasm]

Would these be text blocks people could potentially get merked while reading about?

[rapid depot]

I think Justin mentioned in one of the threads (maybe this one; don't feel like looking) that they're planning to add at least some character flavour text in the main menus as part of a UI overhaul (at some unspecified time)

[vale meteor]

Supervive feel like wacky stuff going around, powers and areas merging together, specially with the "core" at the center, like everything feels like it's home made, like it shouldn't be here, like it's home made, i like that goofy vibe of it

[urban pond]

one of my favorite bits of lore is that when you teleport the heart, the heart doesn't move, instead everything moves around it

[vale meteor]

Oh, didn't knew that

[urban pond]

that's such cool lore

https://x.com/JustinGroot3/status/1862350578363371941

Justin Groot - Play SUPERVIVE, become my friend (@JustinGroot3) on X

Let me explain to you, from a lore perspective, what happens to the Heart after you teleport it like this:

The Heart stays where it is. The rest of the archipelago drifts--gradually and dare I say MYSTERIOUSLY--to reassemble around it.

X · Nov 29, 2024, 4:19 AM

[vale meteor]

tbh i don't know how serious could the lore be in this kind of game, comics with characters story could be enough, tho i think we would need a bit of a purpose to actually winning and the fighting

[urban pond]

that's one of the few things we do know, why the fighting and all that

[vale meteor]

i'm pretty new, where did you find that ?

[urban pond]

from a lore interview shortly before open beta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AibkCcCtMI

[vale meteor]

Owh, thanks i will see that, tho things can change with time

[urban pond]

if you want the jist, i'll put it in spoilers

||Hunters do whatever in the world they would do normally until a Supervive is detected. A Supervive is a meteorlogical solar flare of concentrated magic, and hunters fight to absorb the magic for the winning hunters' personal motivations||

[vale meteor]

owh i see

thanks

[urban pond]

🫡

if you want to read more of it, rather than listen, the main points are in a transcript on oheyspun's website

let me get the link rq

https://spun.gg/the-supervive-lore-interview-ft-dev-justin-groot/

[vale meteor]

yo that's cool, i will read all

[green chasm]

||also notable that the ritual to access this area of magical bloom involves the ship, some sort of hub called the lighthouse, and prevents them from dying if they're harmed - explaining how everyone who doesn't win comes back for later vives. It does not, as far as I can tell, explain why their are mirror matches with multiverse stuff, ala Valorant and Fragpunk.||

[sour spruce]

i for one can't wait for in-game lore, loading screen tidbits and character bios go a lomg way

[worn stag]

||I mean Apex and Overwatch never managed to answer the mirror matches so…..||

[green chasm]

||Make no mistake, Valorant bending over backwards to do a multiversal story to explain mirror matches is I think the center for how weak their lore is, so I'm fine that they never explain mirror matches. I'm just pointing how how certain mechanics are explained by lore, and others are not.||

[urban pond]

||yea i'd say mirror matches are fine as a non-canon thing||

[little hedge]

I hate when games trying to explain mirror matches, it's always cringe. Hope supervive won't do it

[rapid depot]

The heart emits hallucinogens; the duplicates are just figments of characters' imaginations. Whoever survives was the real one all along. 🙃

[vale meteor]

i mean since it's a fantasy world magic can explain it all, but i don't know if we wanna get explained that kind of things, i don't like much multiverse thing tho supervive kinda goofy world (at least for me) could be okay to have it anyway

[twilit magnet]

i think its as fantasy as it is scifi

like you genuinely cannot tell me that ghost is using magic

when he is literally wielding a

grenade, an assault rifle, a railgun and a satellite beam as his kit

[jaunty pawn]

I'd love to find out that Ghost has no magic at all but uses technology to keep up with the superhuman hunters

[twilit magnet]

im afraid its part of the lore

hes a fae

[jaunty pawn]

:(

[green chasm]

No, the much funnier possibility is he has no tech. His gun is just a weirdly shaped wand he fires streams of low level magic blasts from. Grenades are just sticks he enchants to explode. Summon napalm is exactly that.

You want tech champs, you got bishop and Hudson and maybe Jin.

[twilit magnet]

ghost is a level 1 mage who thinks hes hot shit got it

[jaunty pawn]

I actually fw the idea that his powers are really weak and his gear amplifies them

Unlike Joule who can straight turn herself into a bolt of lightning

[vale meteor]

It's technology enhanced with magic

at least for some of them

[exotic pollen]

I believe Skelm lore was either under Mary Gumport or later spruced up by her but early concept art suggested Ghost did in some way load magical bullets rather than casting

[tranquil hornet]

I think he's half fae

[stuck wren]

screaming
pls i crave more Elluna lore
i love her so much asdf

[stable timber]

If I gotta write some SHIT as appetizers, I will

I ain’t afraid to bust out my lexicon, drop a few paragraphs, and maybe a bit of blood

Because honestly, Elluna feels the most inspired of much of the lore I know of so far. She strikes me as the inverse of Emet-Selch from FFXIV

[dense narwhal]

dont mind me, just here to ruin this

[stable timber]

Tf you MEAN

[rapid depot]

We love our zombie bunny

[normal stag]

All supervive hunters are schizophrenic

[urban pond]

I gotta delete messages to make this add up again

https://tenor.com/view/perfectly-balanced-thanos-infinity-war-gif-13078930

[acoustic fog]

@rare rune I'm trying to write a fic and I have an important question
or at least wanted to hear your opinion on it
so we know hunters use the power of supervives for their own personal goals, but is it a possibility that since everyone has quarters on the Lighthouse the hunters have continous relationships with each other? (so basically can I do a "Crysta, the new girl arrives, let's tell how she fits in" narrative?)
Also do they switch around who they team up with when hunting?

sorry if the tweets would answer this but I don't use that platform

[drifting willow]

She's the new girl in havenshard i believe

which is a place in the world of the breach

[acoustic fog]

Right, I just read the diary
Thanks
But she isn't part of the guard, right..?
Also I kinda wanna focus on the Lighthouse a bit more

[stable timber]

I get the vibe that she’s more or less a helper, or some initiate of the havengard

She seems to be taking orders more often than not

[worn stag]

I think she’s more of an assistant of Winterdew. Which makes sense since she’s worked in the science field for some time.

[stable timber]

If this post gets 5 ⭐ I will get to work on an Elluna fic >:c

[rare rune]

Every Hunter passes through the Lighthouse on the way to the Breach, so it's quite possible that any combination of them would have met (though not guaranteed - the Hunters we've featured so far are a subset of a likely much larger number)

(Most) Hunters don't live on the Lighthouse all the time though -- they just show up when there's a Supervive, and the rest of the time they're doing other stuff out in the world

[lavish ledge]

• Do hunters need to "Earn" access to the lighthouse, or is it a "If you show up you are in"
• Does the lighthouse have like a taxi service?

[urban pond]

I wonder what hunters actually live on the lighthouse?

Very neat

[tranquil hornet]

Does lighthouse have a VIP lounge for the hype squad?

[stable timber]

Oh boy. Here I go, then. Fingers don’t fail me now

[green chasm]

Day Jobs as we know them;
Elluna, Myth, Shrike, Crysta, Zeph, Oath - residents and protectors havenshard, an eclectic post-rising polity. Some seem to have other ties or hobbies too.
Shiv - goon for risen empire.
Saros - goon for sunswept dominion.
Bishop and Hudson - anti-pirates (bishop directly, Hudson engineering/support)

Anyone else?

[twilit magnet]

Joule is an anarchist

[stable timber]

Kingpin serves…someone. Like, it’s literally off of an unused line from Shiv whenever she kills him. So to me, he’s either a merc of some faction, or he’s a servant

[twilit magnet]

Kingpin also really hates brall, I’d say they got some unresolved beef

[acoustic fog]

Yet he refers to himself as The King in some voice lines iirc?

[stable timber]

Felix is likely to be more of a lone merc at this point since he gets kicked out of stuff

[acoustic fog]

Must be crazy with all of these factions going around

[stable timber]

Id need to listen to em again because cadence matters

[green chasm]

That is a political outlook, or more likely a defiance disorder with how the term is used in pop culture, not an activity.

[twilit magnet]

So joule is unemployed

Got it

[stable timber]

Yea we’re outlining who is doing what, like job wise or duty wise

[acoustic fog]

I mean that depends
If she's hardcore about it she could be trying to one-woman-army all these empires
OR organizing an anarchocommunist community (/syndicate or any other type of community fitting the philosophy)
But tbh I don't get those vibes from her
Even though I'm really really interested what she does with her supervives

[twilit magnet]

Tbh she always gave off rockstar vibes to me

[worn stag]

Celeste MAY be a princess of somewhere that Ghost may or may not be residing in as well, though I’m not sure if Ghost calls her that because of her personality.

[rare rune]

The Lighthouse is a neutral space. Nobody knows much about its origins, beyond the fact that it's really, really old and appeared after the Rising. It has no governing body or anything.

Anybody can become a Hunter if the Lighthouse allows them to "anchor" to it. This process is poorly understood, but it seems like you have to give up some part of yourself to do it, so it's not something everyone is willing to do. And the Lighthouse sometimes declines to anchor to people, for unknown reasons.

(Being anchored is what allows you to respawn during the match. You can still die elsewhere in the world, but you're protected within a certain radius of the Lighthouse when it's "active.")

There's no official taxi service; people bring their own dropships and park them in a huge bay in the bottom of the Lighthouse.

[twilit magnet]

So any joe schmo could anchor to the light house under very specific circumstances

[lavish ledge]

Oooooo, now I wanna see everyones dropships

[acoustic fog]

I mean this is actually a really good fanart opportunity

[worn stag]

Wait, do you have to give something up EVERY TIME you anchor to the Lighthouse? Or is it like a password system where once you’ve anchored, it’ll remember you again for the next hunt?

[twilit magnet]

Well, I’m sure anchoring is more like a branding thing

So like in my mind

You like idk sever your soul or something and you’re branded by the anchor

And then you don’t have to do that ever again

I am curious though what Beebo sacrificed

Given that he doesn’t really seem to understand language

[acoustic fog]

Or what he's actually going for
Man, at this point I just wanna know everyone's motivations and goals 😭

[worn stag]

No he does. It’s just different.

[twilit magnet]

Well yeah but not the global language that everyone else does

[worn stag]

We’ll get there when we get the little blurbs eventually.

[acoustic fog]

Language not matching any known one from the last 1300(0?) years according to the academy's records
I'd argue it's not the same magnitude as other languages

[twilit magnet]

I’ve played so much beebo I’ve started to understand

His lil gibberish

[worn stag]

I do think that he mostly is speaking gibberish, but is able to speak a tiny bit of the language the rest of the hunters say. Best example is his drop leader line.

[twilit magnet]

Trophy trophy

[dense narwhal]

if you're protected within the radius of the lighthouse, it implies a circle with the lighthouse in the middle. yet we dont see the lighthouse on the supervive map. Does this mean there are other supervive maps inside the lighthouse's protection-circle? 👀

[twilit magnet]

Maybe it’s like

A sphere

Which would make more sense

So the lighthouse might be above or below the map

[worn stag]

I’d assume above because of the drop ships

[twilit magnet]

Or perhaps the map is just a small section of the allotted area, which would explain why arena and the training hub are also ressable

[acoustic fog]

Do we even know how big the lighthouse is? I mean I could imagine the training area being kinda parts of it (tho the left side with the minions doesn't really add up so maybe scratch that)

[twilit magnet]

What if groot is actually like a dungeon master who lost the plot halfway through the campaign so when the players bring up a plot point he’s like

“Why didn’t I think of that? Well, that’s the way it is now.”

[worn stag]

Well then I’d need to feel compensated for my ideas since, ya know, I brought them up.

Also that’d feel pretty unprofessional from the lore team leader to just take ideas from random strangers on the internet and not come up with them himself or talk with the team to come up with an idea.

[acoustic fog]

I mean I think he has a lot of stuff in his head/drawn out
But there are aspects that probably didn't come up (yet) but we may speculate on it

[twilit magnet]

Sometimes the random strangers on the interwebs have a good idea tho

[acoustic fog]

Also he did a lore AMA on Twitter where he did probably come up with some of the answers on the spot

So I think for now there is a lot of freedom in it and the community can have good ideas

[stable timber]

I will def have a handful of questions while I’m writing this. Mostly just flavor things, like local fauna/flora, a teaching or two from Elluna’s (very dead) religion, etc

[worn stag]

I still have the idea that Helia, the Sun herself, granted the Fox wildlings the ability to control fire and/or created them herself.

[stable timber]

Though for the time being I’ll use an assumption or two just based on how older stories tend to treat these things

[green chasm]

I mean we can probably guess at some the general tenor or direction either by association (saros seems very about his sun queen) context (Felix may want redemption and/or real boy fire powers) or vibes (kingpin almost certainly want power and/or to feed the beast), while others are inscrutable in lore (mostly beebo), but specifics, especially for our less lored characters, would be good.

[green chasm]

Did this sun go on to found a political order?

[exotic pollen]

random strangers on the internet wrote the SCP wiki, simply being random assortments of people doesn't automatically equate to bad

[worn stag]

Yes. After The Rising, according to Saros, She came down to protect her devoted followers and has created the Sunswept Dominion.

[acoustic fog]

I mean, yeah, and I think this is a good start
Like, we know a bunch of characters that are about their communities/empires such as Heavenshard or the Risen Empire
We also know a lot abt Elluna and Felix thanks to the interview
But unfortunately I am very interested in the characters that we know very little about like Joule or Celeste:/

[green chasm]

Why not include your creations in your expansionist empire?

[worn stag]

I would really love to have some more short stories for older characters after two short stories that were for the newest hunters.

[green chasm]

Havenshard, not heavenshard, right?

[worn stag]

It’s just a theory of mine. It’s not confirmed or denied that she created the Firefox Wildlings. I’m just thinking from a mythological standpoint that it’s something that COULD have happened.

When the literal Sun is a goddess and your only connection to fire abilities outside of Felix’s race, sometimes you’re bound to want to make connections

[acoustic fog]

I remembered Haven too, the wiki said Heaven
Idfk at this point

[acoustic fog]

And yes
Their little panels/stories are literally perfect introductions for them, it'd be so lovely to have that for all hunters

[stable timber]

I like this notion that I’ll definitely be squeezing into the writing:

To the first walks of life, the Sun was beheld as a goddess—and rightfully so. It is said that when you try to touch a god, you are smote. No wonder this belief persisted, for when you look up at the Sun, you scorch your eyes. The Moon, however, is probably the one exception. For as long as thinking minds can remember, He has stood at a safe distance, casting only a gentle light and never interfering with the coursing river of life. As that little village used to say, “We aspire to be Gentle. Gentle, more like Thee.”

[worn stag]

https://tenor.com/view/beautiful-jontron-gif-9320321

[green chasm]

I think that's where the confusion comes from - a typo on the wiki.

[stable timber]

Granted, that’s about as much as I can work with when I don’t know all that much about Elluna’s religious mythology or philosophy, but the representation of the Moon in Eastern media is inspiring. It’s another celestial body that all life can look at without worry, so its aspects and avatars have been those that do not seek to “dictate” things if that makes any sense

[acoustic fog]

Honestly I think all you have are the voice lines and the 5 minutes of interview from Justin

The rest is yours to fill:3

[stable timber]

P much

Playing it mostly safe on that front until I know more, but I have a direction (even if I’m making it the fuck UP)

Plus I don’t wanna make the story a whole lore dump when I don’t have that information

I’d rather just postulate some more interpersonal questions within, like, “Why does Elluna get to be the one to live?”

[worn stag]

Another dumb idea: Elluna is holding the remnants of her god.

[stable timber]

It’s all but confirmed that the moon’s destruction in some way released whatever god’s energy outward to revive Elluna, but that means either two things

Elluna is holding the remnants/is now an avatar, or that god is totally dead and elluna just carries his latent whispers

For the time being I’m leaning on the latter because there’s just more to dive into there for me

If Elluna’s just an avatar or something now then it puts her in a few potential positions that I just personally don’t want to explore that deeply lol

[worn stag]

I like to think she was the most devoted priestess and once the moon exploded, it went into Ellunas body as a way to keep on living. So yeah I guess that would make her an avatar.

[stable timber]

That’s precisely one of the things I want to ask in my writing

She’s the most devoted? But she was “in-training” by the time the Rising happened. What makes her faith more devoted than those at the higher rungs of the ecclesial community? Or more devoted than anybody else there for that matter?

Maybe she actually really was the most faithful out of them all, but now that she’s the last one, what exactly do you do with that? You’re the most devoted and so you get to live again, but everybody you knew that validated your faith is now dead

Essentially, Elluna’s entire story (that we know) plays out like a noise in a forest. If nobody was there to hear it, did it really happen?

At the same time, if it had nothing to do with devotion and she just got luckily chosen, then how are you supposed to personally make sense of that?

[main kestrel]

Why can't someone become a hunter without anchoring to the lighthouse? They'd be risking thwir life unlike the other hunters yes, but if someone is willing to do that then why can they be a hunter? Is there a governing body that is stopping people from doing that or something?

[green chasm]

Maybe nonanchored hunters just last so shortly they aren't worth representing on the cast. "Sure, bob did like, a hunt, but then he got trained and he refused to do the ritual so he stayed trained."

[acoustic fog]

yeah, dying isn't exactly uncommon

[main kestrel]

If this is the case I hope we get a sad story of someone who chooses to become a hunter without being anchored and how they die.

[green chasm]

I mean, what mix of sad versus darkly comedic is in the telling

[stable timber]

Alright, got the story outline figured out. Now it’s time for a lot of tunes and keyboarding

Shot in the dark but for this dedicated Elluna fic uhhh @rare rune gimme a random name of like anybody that might have once been a part of Elluna’s community. Like literally whatever name pops up in your head.

-# Or don’t tell me that’s okay too

[rare rune]

how about somebody everybody calls "Fork"

[jaunty pawn]

now i need to know more about Fork

[green chasm]

Fork hunter release when

[stable timber]

Absolutely not what I was going for but just for that I will make something work 🫵

Yknow this is gonna be so fucking jarring when I do some buildup and put out an absolutely scuffed thing out there and then like “Yeah btw this dude’s named Fork”

It’s gonna be so goated

[acoustic fog]

I love how you can come here to pray to the Lore God for answers
And sometimes you get a fairly detailed answer and sometimes you get shitposts

[drifting willow]

Yes

[drifting willow]

so cool

[exotic pollen]

Garth Nix kinda worldbuilding

[urban pond]

I wonder if one day, we'll learn what the hunters each "gave up", so to speak, to anchor.

like what could kingpin possibly give up to anchor? or beebo?

that'd be really cool

[urban pond]

my headcanon will be that felix doesn't have a dropship, he just sorta jetpacks to it with his flamethrower tank, kinda like that one scene from wall-e with the fire extinguisher in space

https://tenor.com/view/wall-e-floating-space-fire-extinguisher-gif-8058412

dropships cost too much

[twilit magnet]

Beebo gave up his love of ice cream

[green chasm]

Beebo gave up a singularity filled with like several star systems worth of sapient life living within it, and he's got like three more of them. Man follows kirby rules.

[twilit magnet]

Beebo is canonically god

He makes lil balls of planets

[green chasm]

Whenever he lobs a beebomb, millions of voices cray out, only to fall silent.

[astral agate]

Kingpin unfortunately had to give up leadership of his crime empire and abandon his mob to be anchored 💔

[twilit magnet]

Death Lord Beebo when

[lavish ledge]

hey @rare rune wat's this, and why is it moving/flashing?

[late gust]

Bap bap released with lore and it pissed me off a little cause I don't really like the game and I haven't played wild rift(the only game I played) since I downloaded supervive. we NEED supervive lore, now please. For the love of god

[sour spruce]

bapbap mentioned

[green chasm]

What even is the lore of bapbap?

[sour spruce]

all i'm aware of is interpersonal lore between the characters

which has me eating good

how they feel abt eachother, the beef they might have with eachother, etc.

[green chasm]

Ah mk. My impression is they're a mix of funny baseline shashimi, chuck, froggy) and painfully generic (bonehead, fox mask archer, conical hat lass, fire boy)

[worn stag]

Ok so I’m guessing that the best way to tell if someone’s a Soulborn is their hair.

Joules is bright yellow and looks like electricity, Celeste has hair that looks like ice, and Crysta has hair that’s just nuclarite.

[green chasm]

Joule seems the weakest there, if only because hers look like hair

[main kestrel]

Sooooo kp was supposedly rejected by celeste on jp Twitter:) idk if this is considered official lore or not but I find it so funny and just wanna share it somewhere

[tranquil hornet]

its his villain origin story

[worn stag]

“I must get corrupted, then Celeste will love me!”- Kingpin, probably.

[main kestrel]

Real, it also had brall and celeste together too. He kill brall :) kp getting his revenge

[urban pond]

working on making a lore tab for each hunter on the supervive wiki for short stories & trivia, Saros and Crysta's are both up now!

need something catchy to put for hunters whose text lore isn't revealed yet because "To be revealed" seems too bland

i don't know if we'll ever get character biographies as well as short stories but if we do they'll go there too

[worn stag]

I’m sure we will

[twilit magnet]

“There is nothing yet known about this hunter. This mystique is surely intriguing…”

[worn stag]

“The Skyrealms hold many secrets to be revealed.”

[sour niche]

"Some secrets are still held by the Void."

[green chasm]

reviewing the titles you earn on hero mastery, Shiv has 'nine's chosen', which along with 'imperial' furthers her role as assassin for the risen empire. Seems to indicate a particularly favored champion or assassin

[rapid depot]

Or maybe it's "nine has chosen" and it wasn't her; her whole character actually revolves around holding a grudge about that /j

Also does that mean Elluna is a bunny 0.0

[deft drum]

Sorry to dive in but the thread is massive. Do we have all the lore we've been told so far collected in one place? I am a lore nerd for games so I'd love to have a overview.

[rapid depot]

I don't think so; it seems scattered between Twitter posts and tidbits in these threads, still )=

(also same; there was brief mention of adding some in the game menus as part of a UI overhaul, though, so hopefully that's soon-ish ...)

[deft drum]

Here's to hoping. I'll be honest, if I find a free afternoon I might dig and grab what we have, but life's... Busy. I'm especially curious about Felix and Embry, s well as why Kingpin is the way he is.

[green chasm]

Felix and embry we have the facts but not a lot of direct dynamic

Kingpin you can infer a lot of broad strokes from design and personality, but we have scant to no details.

[urban pond]

We know Embry was a manifestation of magic released during The Rising that Felix found after he ran away from home, and Felix became friends with them (would love more info on their dynamic though)

[wild loom]

I mean main thing about soul is its lacking. For me it might be 0 for u maybe its 25%. Its kinda like " i think game is fun" and " i think game sucks" there can be truth to both etc

[green chasm]

And you were saying that... wow and overwatch had soul at some point, though not a lot of games that currently have soul?

[wild loom]

Wow is to this day still adding soul, mysteries & storylines increasing the total big picture without the devs even having to do anything at all for the most part

[wild loom]

n yeah oretty much

Overwatch has soul in that sense but the effect/strength of what it currently does is destroyed/diminished x y z or in cases depending on the player

[urban pond]

this one's really good, decided to use it

every hunter has a lore page now

a lot of them are empty with placeholders but they're ready to have lore added to them

[green chasm]

So soul comes from active narrative threads then? Would something like setting up the dominion with Saros' release be the starting point of "soul"?

[wild loom]

Is not just one thing my man. if y want to consider league of legends and have a more extreme example yet a similar result

Hashinshin, cookielol, apo 3 pedophiles or were pedophiles we itnis withstory lines of being on the comeup, one of them still being one of the best supports on the server yet pretty much everything besides their gameplat was shit. Breaking into ppls home camera in streams n well. U skip ahead 4 year suddenly compared to 2k moronic league players that found that funny now some time has passed and even smthng so bad can make someone feel “ theres more to the game than the game” and now we have 10k ppl able to look back and say “ man u rember that dude that hacked unto the italian dudes home n he came out with a gun n shit

das it bro

[wild loom]

not sure what that is

[green chasm]

I mean some of that soul is just community then, the stories around the player base and their notables.

[wild loom]

exactly

[green chasm]

Well since we were talking about soul in a thread about narrative, I was asking about the narrative pieces (preview, short story) of the latest character. The devs can only do so much about the community side of a game's soul, but what is relevant here is how they nurse interest or excitement via story, yeah?

[wild loom]

But soul could be translated through a room also and it giving the perfect vibe and immersion and then maybe ur character just fits right in, u discover some lore on the walls and ur just pulled into a game. later on the same day when u then think back to ur session that feeling or memory ur likely to have is very much different from “ ah it was fun i smurfed it”

[wild loom]

can u link it in dm r smthng

[worn stag]

Think we’ll get hunter themes eventually?

[tranquil hornet]

Need more powers that are lore related to hunters like beebos boombox

[green chasm]

I mean those abyssal pieces

[acoustic fog]

What do Vive Brews/Hypervives/Ultravives taste like?
Do they have their own? Are they similar or vastly different? Does it work like PJO nectar where it tastes like the favorite thing of the person consuming it?
(I am interested in everyone's opinion btw)

[urban pond]

I think they taste like a V8

[jaunty pawn]

How do you know what engines taste like?

[urban pond]

i've eaten enough engine blocks to know

[jaunty pawn]

Respect

[worn stag]

Probably some sweeter bean water. Since these are made from Vivebeans.

[main kestrel]

My guess is that vive brews will taste like some sort of fruit juice.

[green chasm]

liquid edamame beans.

[acoustic fog]

I like to imagine hyper/ultravives are basically very high level energy drinks
But we know so little about gastronomy in the Skylands

[rapid depot]

Uncooked Brussels sprouts
That's why the hunters take a while to get them down

[main kestrel]

What are these "nein" that shive speaks of? Idk how to spell it but it sounds like the German no to me.

[urban pond]

it should just be "nine" according to her title

i imagine it's like a council for the risen empire

[acoustic fog]

Lmfaoo

[main kestrel]

So the risen have a council of nine. Good to know. Now I wait for more info on them

[stable timber]

Been hard at work at the elluna fic. It’s looking to be a very lengthy one, i’ve edited the first five pages about four separate times

[stable timber]

It doesn’t add anything to any canon to Supervive (except for Justin Groot’s addition of “Fork”…smh…) but I hope it’ll be a fun read!

[worn stag]

https://youtu.be/gZ6sFmGHuyE?si=ifVLrjBLWbwuFq7C

hmm, this isn’t the robot I remember from Wall-E

[green chasm]

does... does she have a cell phone?

[worn stag]

Where?

[drifting willow]

I mean supervive is a futeristic universe

don't forget

[worn stag]

Nevermind I see it. Taking bootycall to a whole new level

So I’m guessing she’s some kind of succubus or devil of pleasure/pain

[green chasm]

on her hip.

there's like a nokia flip phone

[green chasm]

Sure, but like... surely they don't have a functional cell tower system post-rising

[worn stag]

They have coms.

[native burrow]

isn't jin from some cyperunk type city

[green chasm]

fair

[green chasm]

sure, but you can have cyberpunk without cell phones. Hell, pretty sure early cyberpunk media straight didn't have them, on account of being made like 20 years before they became common

[worn stag]

Alright @rare rune, when shall we learn more about this temptress?

[green chasm]

So a more serious look - her magenta and black color scheme, as well as the magenta of her abilities there, seem to align her with abyssals - the vast monsters that overran the ground world and gave need for the rising. That color scheme also aligns her potentially with kingpin, who also seems to draw power from the abyssals, and parts of the map have implied that the rendering of abyssal parts is a lucrative black market. Interestingly, she also shares kingpin's clear aspirations for hegemony ('some minions to call my own'), so perhaps they are motivated by a simlar 'embracing the power of abyssal parts and the mutations they bring to gain power in the underworld'.

[worn stag]

Yeah it does seem like that.

Maybe she was some kind of lower succubus and gained the power of the Abyss to become a stronger seductress. And gaining the Supervive can help grow her powers even further.

I dunno, I’m just coming up with head canons.

Can’t wait to see what she can do for our first new protector.

[tranquil hornet]

Devs saw the player count getting low so they decided to bust out the big boo-i mean guns

[worn stag]

BTB’s will do that.

She seems to be a mix of protector and controller, with the wall of thorns she has that may pull enemies in.

[tranquil hornet]

Unrelated, but I was looking at my recordings and I found some footage of you clutch up hard as crysta

[worn stag]

?

You sure that’s me? I’m shit at fighters. I think you mean Celeste

[green chasm]

I don't think she's a literal succubus. While she may use temptation or appeal to get her way. As far as we've heard there's not like an infernal hierarchy of human-like abyssals - abyssals are all monsters (they used to be called kaiju). When we're dealing with humanoids with abyssal qualities, they seem to be humans (or humanlikes) that have mutated due to abyssal qualities.

When I say 'underworld' I don't mean the lands below or like, an infernal domain. I mean the world of crime.

[worn stag]

Oh.

Well when you give me a humanoid figure with horns and is all about pain, lust, and temptation, you see where I’m coming from.

[tranquil hornet]

Maybe it was an imposter. Is your ign Nabbitman?

[worn stag]

Yup

[green chasm]

Clearly those terms and visuals are used to articulate that she's a bad customer, absolutely (as is her name, for that matter), but using recognizable symbols as shorthand does not mean they share a common origin as the culture or the mythology that inspired them.

[tranquil hornet]

Then it was you or someone with your name

[worn stag]

Could you dm the footage?

[tranquil hornet]

Uh, at some point. At work atm.

[worn stag]

Less than a week till act 2. Really excited for this big update

Feels like it hasn’t been that long since the season started

Can’t wait to know what these hunters will reveal about the Skyrealms. Hopefully both old and new with the model updates to Felix Elluna and Void.

[urban pond]

I think the model updates got pushed back

[worn stag]

Because they weren’t in the fireside chat?

[native burrow]

iirc there was FAQ for korea that said it got postponed

smth about wanting to focus on skins for battlepass?

[worn stag]

Ah

Guess we’ll wait and see

Maybe next act, maybe even later

[umbral torrent]

Do they really need updates? It feels like updating the models would be a lot of work for characters that already look good, not to mention Elluna and Felix both have higher tier skins with special effects.

[native burrow]

fwiw void's model hasn't gotten updated since early 2023
idk when elluna and felix last had their models updated

[rapid depot]

Oh no
A Nokia??
She'll be unbeatable ;-;

[worn stag]

Her power… it’s over 9000!

[worn stag]

Anything on Eva yet?

[acoustic fog]

Hopefully we get something about her soon (like the diary or academic notes)

[green chasm]

someone bribe justin for a short story

[acoustic fog]

Justin what do you need?

[worn stag]

Any tidbits in the missions?

[green chasm]

The latest ones for the arc and Eva?

[worn stag]

Yeah

[normal bolt]

gimme an ARG, i need it lol

[green chasm]

I mean, there is a format that would lend to an ARG on the game - that being like a study by a scholar post-rising trying to piece together the cause of the rising, which serves as an excuse to dive into a bunch of polities relevant to the setting and characters (risen empire, havenshard, abyssals and the abyssal scavengers, soulsborn, sunswept dominion)

would take a solid amount of work and manhours, and Groot seems busy as is.

[rare rune]

i'm pretty slammed for sure but love the idea of more primary-source stuff

[exotic pollen]

so Justin how are you with con langs? :p

[green chasm]

Oh no

[worn stag]

Ok now I’m convinced that Eva is a genuine succubus.

After hearing her ult line

[green chasm]

Genuine in what way? It's not like there's a blood quantum or board certification.

More seriously though, my own working theory is that she's driven not by touch or pleasure or anything corporeal, and much more about attention.

[worn stag]

Genuine as in she is one

And I’m guessing Argos is a demon she works under.

[exotic pollen]

Eva canonically working for Argos 💀

(this was a random image off Google IDK why they all look so depressed other than working for Argos I suppose)

[green chasm]

I don't think there's any evidence of a judeo-christian hell with demons as we understand it. There are abyssals, big monsters that destroyed the surface world and maybe came from below, but imagining they have an infernal hierarchy with human level lesser demons and an interest in tempting mortals away from medieval Christian virtues seems wild.

[green chasm]

I think her voice lines trouble that power dynamic.

You don't usually tell your overlord to sic em or console them with "see, we're fine" after a mortal scrape.

[worn stag]

So a god turning into a mortal to save their followers from the apocalypse is believable but the idea of Hell and demons existing is where the line is crossed?

[worn stag]

Eva sucked their happiness. Only possible explanation

[green chasm]

A: I don't believe Saros' story is strictly true.
B: there being a god doing stuff doesn't mean there is an underworld in this universe that functions exactly like medieval Christianity imagines it.

[worn stag]

I’m not thinking in a biblical sense, more so in the fantasy sense.

[green chasm]

Maybe. But honestly I think a subculture of criminals who process and exploit or consume body parts of the giant monsters who overran the surface world to gain supernatural powers, and who mutate in ways we aesthetically recognize as "demonic" is way cooler and more interesting than a hell with demons in the literal and classic sense. Maybe you disagree.

[worn stag]

I mean…

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-por-que-no-los-dos-yey-gif-15089379

[green chasm]

Because we already have ancient plotting evil hierarchy in the risen empire (yes I will slande the fae), and because a metaphysical kingdom embodying malice for its own sake doesn't interest me personally, especially for its tendency to cheapen or discredit more interesting conflicts.

[worn stag]

Agree to disagree. We still have much hidden from us.

So we’ll see what is actually true eventually.

[green chasm]

Certainly. You're allowed your interpretation and opinion, don't want my own take to make it seem otherwise.

[exotic pollen]

I think if anything a culture so deeply intertwined with a world in which ancient technology transcends death is getting very close to a culture in which the afterlife is non-essential, given this and hunters like Elluna I would suspect religious leaders would more so latch onto some form of cylical mythos, .e.g. reincarnation

[green chasm]

I imagine with the calamity of the rising, its unknown origin and purpose, and the upheaval of most societies (two of the three polities we know are brand new, and the third is a reorganization), most cosmological or philosophic models would be in flux or have gone through some big shifts.

[valid panther]

Very much! Of course there's value in not explaining everything, but i wouuuld like to know who are all these people

[worn stag]

I shall speak the ancient language of Eva’s forefathers from eons past. ahem

https://tenor.com/view/succ-stonks-man-gif-22196046

[urban pond]

I talked about this before, but I've been working on the powers on the wiki and it reminded me

I'm curious as to why a lot of things lost flavor text

I thought it was really cool :(

[worn stag]

To be fair about this one, that would imply Greece existed in this world, and that this is on Earth which, unless I’m mistaken, it’s not.

[umbral torrent]

Actually, the world of Supervive could just have its own version of the Icarus myth that works within its world, borrowing the real-world myth to create something unique for the game.

Many IPs (not just for games) borrow real-world stories from the public domain, with the most famous example being Disney's cartoons. There's no reason Supervive can't do the same.

[exotic pollen]

I do think just for rarity's sake SUPERVIVE could use the original spelling, Ikaros, and perhaps even turn it into an adjective

.e.g. Ikarosi drone-glider

[green chasm]

I think the reference is fine as it is - classic mythology is deep enough on the level of language that icarus is kinda just recognized as shorthand for 'brilliant but doomed hubris/flight'. Like, any creative property will bear the artifacts of language and reference from the language it was conceived in

like I don't think Eva's name means the christian bible is in the world of supervive

[green chasm]

(also Zeph is named after a Greek mythology thing)

[worn stag]

It’s a pun off zephyr which means wind

[green chasm]

The Greek god of the gentle western wind specifically

[urban pond]

https://vxtwitter.com/playSUPERVIVE/status/1912197440746275025

SUPERVIVE (@[email protected])

🤖🥊 Wait... I'm drop leader? Oh... get ready!

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vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 15, 2025, 5:32 PM

would love to see more like this

this is a nice little blurb to help understand character motives

[worn stag]

She was just a little girl.

[green chasm]

I think the novel information here is her being seperated from her family and is trying to scrap together a search vessel

[acoustic fog]

does live music exist in Supervive? are there concerts, or bands that still create new albums post-rising?

[urban pond]

believe it's confirmed Joule has a band

[acoustic fog]

holy shit that is perfect
thank you!

[worn stag]

I would like to think that Joule and her band were rocking out when The Rising happened, and was the only one of her band to become a Soulborn.

[green chasm]

How long ago was the rising?

[urban pond]

10-13 years before the game

[green chasm]

Bit of a tight window for joule to have a band back then too.

[worn stag]

I’d say the same about Crysta being able to work at a Nuclear reactor and still looks like she’s barely above 20 but here we are.

Unless being a Soulborn causes you to slow down your aging or just stop it altogether, it hardly makes sense.

[urban pond]

It sounds like she still has a band

"she's got an actual punk rock band" present tense

[worn stag]

Oh. Yeah that makes more sense

Do find it kinda funny she’s the charger for the bands equipment.

[urban pond]

living battery moment

[worn stag]

She’s just splattered on the floor, trying to touch everything.

That or she can just fully charge it with a single touch

[acoustic fog]

honestly it's super realistic
we are post-rising, there's several empires around, probably a lot of folk are oppressed/poor/in danger

a punk anarchist fits into this world

[steady cloud]

Hello, I'm here to share my contribution regarding the lore of the Survive universe: factions (from my point of view)

[drifting willow]

like you want them?

We kinda have something like it it seems

The risen empire

Havenshard

[acoustic fog]

Sunswept Dominion

[green chasm]

Havenshard/Havenguard (A refuge/peaceful post-rising settlement, run by a chancellor. Seems like the 'good guys')
Myth (also associated with Virideth, a powerful forest spirit.)
Elluna
Crysta
Shrike
Zeph
Oath (really cornered the market on healers, huh?)

Risen Empire (Reformed dominin of the fae - that's elves of this session - ruled by a group of sages called the Nine. Seem to be very high tech)
Shiv
Void? (Only possibly, and definitely not directly, but may have connection to the Nine - could be an exiled tenth immortal sage? Rank speculation here)

Sunswept Dominion (expansionist polity that worships a being they thing is the avatar of the sun. Going around mercing and conquering smaller kingdoms)
Saros

Abyssal Gangs? (not confirmed, and definitely not unified if they exist, but there seems a culture of criminals who use pieces of abyssals to mutate and gain power)
Kingpin
Eva

Pirate Hunters (not really a faction so much as a girl and her sidekick)
Bishop
Hudson

Unaffiliated/Unknown
Celeste (some sort of ballerina dancer? very posh)
Beebo (interdimensional tourist/chaos agent)
Felix (wandering pyro after being exiled from his village)
Joule (anarchistic rock star?)
Jin (something about a high tech city? revenge? Someone who can translate that korean video might know more)
Ghost (probably some kind of army guy, but who knows what army or current or past)
Brall (he found a fire sword)

[steady cloud]

Mmm, I'll have to correct my anagram and the possible blessed/cursed origin of the soulborns.

Thx

[green chasm]

We know Joule, Crysta, and Celeste are soulborns. We only know the context and event of Crysta's awakening.

[worn stag]

And the potential context of Joules and Celeste’s, if we take in how Crysta became one.

[green chasm]

there's likely some kind of exposure to their element, but not much beyond

[worn stag]

Major exposure. And some sort of “potential” inside of them that allowed them to become Soulborn. Crystas dad didn’t survive the nuclear reaction. Then again, Soulborn could be a female only race as far as we know.

[green chasm]

could also be factors we don't know - age, chance, etc.

[steady cloud]

Jin's case was because his sister and childhood friend were killed

Brall was an ex-Ronin and his Caldera sword was responsible for scorching the Tree of Myth

Ghost is a deserter from the Nine, walking around as an outlaw with other colleagues and being hunted by Shiv.

[green chasm]

ooh, nice. Sources on those bits?

not doubting ya, just trying to get a sense of the source material

[steady cloud]

The Jin thing was from what I understood in the Korean video; Brall went by the wiki and Crysta's diary when mentioning how the Myth tree turned out; The Ghost thing is a headcannon of mine because he's half fairy (respect to his mother/father for marrying a fairy hehe)

[worn stag]

Also Celeste may or may not be some princess of some other faction we don’t know of, but that’s not here or there.

[green chasm]

True, but that relies on the nickname ghost throws at her, and because she's posh could just be derision there.

[worn stag]

We don’t exactly know if it’s a nickname.

[green chasm]

We don't, but no one else calls her anything like that, right?

[green chasm]

For Brall, is the ex ronin from the the wiki citing anything, or just going off his dev name being ronin?

[worn stag]

No I don’t think so. Which does beg the question as to how Ghost knows her and if he is a militia member of her “kingdom”

[acoustic fog]

Hypothetically, if you were to take a Hypervive out of the breach (idk, you won and kept it or whatever), what would it be like in the everyday sky realms? Is it just an energy drink? Does it still have it's ~magical capabilities and healing?
What about other items?

[wild loom]

magic mushroom potion XD

[acoustic fog]

Like I think a prophet's or an anywhere but here doesn't really make sense outside of the circle but yeah I definitely am not asking these for fanfiction reasons 🙄

[wild loom]

n then u see everything in supervive colorschemes irl

[acoustic fog]

literal actual hallucinogenic drugs Vuli says xd

[wild loom]

I know but thats just the first thing that came to mind so thats what i went with

The realistic version idk bro maybe like a futuristic energy drink with fkn advanced micro robots in it that repair the body & mind

[acoustic fog]

Magic is canon you don't need the nanotech stuff

But yeah honestly I think you're pretty much right

I like to think it's a luxury item tho

[wild loom]

ye

[acoustic fog]

at least I'm gonna refer to it as such

[wild loom]

Like military would have it, some hospitals maybe but its not a buy it at ur local grocery store type thing but maybe a local specialized pharmacy might have it XD

[acoustic fog]

So what you're saying is
It's basically amphetamine??

Because that's an actually very realistic and plausible option xd

[wild loom]

Yeah i mean i use amfetamines so i could see it lol

[acoustic fog]

ADHD?

[wild loom]

ya got dexamfetamine basically has two of the chemicals actual drugs have

[worn stag]

So with 1.0 on the horizon, I’m really hoping that 1.0 will finally make a lore or background menu for the hunters we know and love, along with adding the lore voice lines.

[main kestrel]

We've been waiting for Justin groot to cook. So I really cannot wait to see what he cooks up.

And safe to assume the lore stuff in game will come with 1.0

[worn stag]

I can’t wait to know more about Celeste. My main since the start of act 2 and is still mostly an enigma in the world of Supervive.

[main kestrel]

I just wanna know about Hudson. Based off what ik already he seems like some sort of father figure for bishop. And I really wanna know more about their relationship.

[worn stag]

And I guess settle the debate on if Helia is in fact the sun taking a mortal form.

[worn stag]

Yeah he definitely is. But other than that, I’d just want to know what his deal is since he seems to sound like he’s been doing these hunts for years. Possibly since the start of The Rising.

[main kestrel]

I am pretty confident his whole family died in the rising tbh.

Also small detail he calls his gun Margaret, I originally thought it was maybe his wife but he says something about Margaret when he kills someone so that wouldn't make sense.

[worn stag]

It’s like Heavy calling his gun Sasha. What is with these big boys and naming their mini guns?

[main kestrel]

It makes the bond of gun and human bigger. Tbf his mini gun is literally a part of his body.

[green chasm]

between now and 1.0, the existence of Carbine also raises interesting ideas. Oath was coded as being very old world tech, and the other robots (minions and kobi guards) seem pretty simple or not very personality heavy. So how he fits in as a (presumably) sapient machine might give a sense of tech level (and maybe artificial personhood) before and after the rising.

[worn stag]

Who knows. Maybe every robot has a sprite in them like Oath? Carbine could just not want to come out.

[main kestrel]

One random question I git is who tf are the shop keepers? Or what are they?

[worn stag]

No idea.

[ember rose]

Just some dudes trying to make a living

[main kestrel]

Very respectable.

[worn stag]

MaGEs

[green chasm]

they're the true winners of supervive. During a gold rush, it pays best to sell shovels and all that

[main kestrel]

In the end we come out on top, cus they don't get a supervive but we do.

[green chasm]

Sounds a lot like prospector talk. I'm sure you'll strike gold soon.

[main kestrel]

It's what Hudson must be saying to himself after my 10th lost in a row...

[worn stag]

Y’all think we’ll get themes for the hunters?

[green chasm]

as in, music?

[worn stag]

Yeah

[green chasm]

Would it play when you picked them? When playing as them and doing well? For everyone when they're top performer/hype squad leader?

[worn stag]

I think it’d be more of a league thing where it’s just music you can listen to that doesn’t play in game

It’d be really distracting if you were trying to survive a 3 team showdown and you just hear Heavy Metal blasting through your headphones because the MVP right now is your Joule

Or it could be like Apex where it’s played in the lobby all the way till you drop in and start playing the game

[green chasm]

Sure. But without an in game use it would be purely promotional. Not that that's bad, just less of a priority prolly

[worn stag]

Omega Strikers (I know, I’m bringing it up again) is the gold standard for that stuff. The theme of a character plays when they get MVP of a set and will switch if a different character gets MVP and I love that idea so much.

[wild loom]

just let me play me favourite frenchcore banger at this point

[wild loom]

ye that sounds like aids if it suddenly plays

i have music off anyway so if doing sk u dhoulndt be bothered anyway i think

[silent torrent]

Yeah that does sound like the best way to handle it

[green chasm]

Right, but there are natural periods of downtime and a consistently unified lobby there. Harder to find time for stingers in a br.

[worn stag]

So if Carbine is a bounty hunter, would that mean he has no allegiance to any of the major factions?

Or is he a bounty hunter that’s most likely from The Risen Empire?

[green chasm]

I'd reckon he's purely mercenary in allegiance (which means he would favor the ones that pay), but his color scheme definitely isn't aligned with the risen best we can tell

[strong marlin]

I personally like there being basic lore for a character, so we know what kind of personality they have and what they're backstory is but I like finding out that lore through voice lines and out of game materials more than text in game. Also in a game like this I like the canon to be a bit open-ended, cause it makes that fanart and fanon diverse. I usually pick the character based off how they look more than the lore itself.For me, voice lines are one of my favorite ways to see a character show their personality in game while key visuals are my favorite out of game.

[green chasm]

got an example of a game that does this well vs. a game that doesn't?

[drifting willow]

yeah sounds likely

[lavish ledge]

Jess did confirm that he is a man's consiousness in a robot body

[drifting willow]

cool

[worn stag]

So wouldn’t that make him an android?

[acoustic fog]

That would make him General Grievous

[worn stag]

Or Ash from the Titanfall franchise

[green chasm]

Simulacrum would be a better point of comparison probably. Grievous is just a cyborg with not a lot of biology left, and androids are just any human shaped robot. That said, maybe the air filters on his suit imply there's some lingering biology that still needs to breathe

[acoustic fog]

GG has his brain (and I'm pretty sure also lungs) tho?
But yeah not a perfect parallel

[green chasm]

Also rather obviously his eyes.

[green chasm]

Unless those were robolungs mace crushed

[acoustic fog]

Do we know literally anything about Havenshard besides it being a beautiful place? I mean visually
Like, I skimmed the supervive Twitter but none of the concept art seems to feature it

[worn stag]

Well we have a group called the Havenguard who are basically the areas protectors.

[acoustic fog]

And we also know how they're the "good guys" fraction

[worn stag]

More or less

[acoustic fog]

But like
We don't know if it's urban, suburban, similar to the area between mana and prisma, ...

[worn stag]

Then again, Winterdew decided to send some interns to their deaths by studying Beebos matter orb so who knows.

[acoustic fog]

We know they live in built homes because Crysta's diary mentions it

[acoustic fog]

Isn't it just about lithofluid mechanics or sth?

Also she's currently missing iirc
Cuz she thought the Risen can be negotiated with

[worn stag]

Winterdew isn’t the chancellor.

[worn stag]

Oh

[green chasm]

Given the makeup of the havenguard and the fact they clashed with the risen empire over refugees, it isn't too much of a jump to presume they're an amalgamated faction (drawn from and welcoming disparate elements) that pulls a lot of survivors together rather than a successor state to a distinct polity like the rise empire.

[round sinew]

I actually prefer less lore

Unpopular opinion

But having mysteries and unexplained origins is way cooler most the time

Devs tend to make a character boring through lore not more interesting

Wow did this a lot with villains

[worn stag]

The lore of this game has been a mystery for years.

And you can still have the unknown while telling about the world

The best example in this very game I can think of is Beebo. No I don’t think he’s actually a penguin underneath that hood. Beebo is straight up an anomaly that even Winterdew couldn’t even figure out.

He could literally be the “Void stares back” cat meme and we wouldn’t know.

[round sinew]

I guess for me the lore typically only detracts rarely does it add

League was better when they had almost no lore, now with the lore characters are bland, boxed into certain archtypes, etc.

Most of the best games to me are mods like Dota was, cs go was, etc, etc

the lack of lore allowed for the game to be free of expectations and theory locks

Like if the game is good the lore is irrelevant, but if the game is bad they tend to lean entirely on lore. I think most of the best games I can remember literally thrived because there was a lack of lore which allowed the player to fill in that history etc.

[worn stag]

There are plenty of games that are high quality in lore and gameplay. I think you just focus on the bad and try to blame the lore for that reason.

[round sinew]

Can you name some for me?

[worn stag]

Witcher, any Soulslike game, Hades, Okami

[round sinew]

Those aren't really multiplayer games tho

can you give me multiplayer games that fit this narrative

I get the importance of lore for single player games and story driven games

But multiplayer games, especially multiplayer games that aim to be competitive I don't really see the relevance of lore.

[worn stag]

Lemme ask you this, can you name any single player games that have garbage gameplay, but have great lore/storytelling?

Cause this argument swings both directions.

[round sinew]

I dont play any single player games

Like actually haven't played a single player game in the last 10 years

I just prefer muliplayer comp games

[lavish ledge]

Gunna say it again, but amazing lore/stories can absolutely change and improve a game, and definitely certain characters

[worn stag]

Lore also allows you to find more connections with characters you play.

If a character has gone through a similar experience as you, like say having been kicked out for something that wasn’t their fault, people will have that connection and most likely will have more motivation to play them.

[round sinew]

I dont think i've ever considered connection to a character when making decisions in a competitive game. I didn't realize thats something people did I treat them more like chess pieces with different moves for different niche things needed.

I guess thats the difference its like if the rook in chess had lore that doesn't change anything for me lol

[green chasm]

I mean, chess pieces are very abstracted and generalized, but even then the 'lore' can be something people can repond to. I know multiple children that, while learning chess, they are actively more dismayed when they lost knights ('horsey') pieces than other pieces, and similarly more casual female chess players I know might make approving comments or may be particularly satisfied when a Queen does plays or is useful. A knight is in no way a real horse. A queen piece is no more female or feminine than any other. But people connect to the stories (even those stories as minimal as the names and abstracted shapes of those pieces) very easily and quickly.

That doesn't mean these connections are always deep and meaningful, or that you or anyone else have to invest in the 'lore' of chess, but even in those incredibly bare bones circumstances, people connect to the story behind the role.

[exotic pollen]

I think you are equating lore with tone, TF2 has plenty of lore but doesn't try to establish a particular tone per se, except for humour such as Abraham Lincoln inventing stairs after a rocket jumping accident

[round sinew]

Both matter 0.01% to me

personally if the gameplay loop is fun investing in world building, lore, etc is not what I'd prefer. I'd rather instead see that effort put towards more new characters with quirky gameplay.

I don't really care why Joule is joule I just like the gameplay loop

Joule could be beebo and it wouldn't change a thing to me

[green chasm]

I'm not sure if I agree with that. TF2 has arguably some of the strongest 'tones' out there, with gameplay, easy lore (meet the... series), and auxilliary lore (comics) all being strongly consistent.

[round sinew]

I guess to make my point. Most games that fall into a genre like Moba, FPS survival, etc, etc seem completely interchangeable to me with gameplay loop being the most important factor. For example I could play Dota2, League of legends, Heroes of the storm, etc. All are essentially the same game and the lore is about as impactful to me as skins. It doesn't really matter to me at all, but what decides which game I play is the gameplay loop and how much I enjoy it. For example league was my go to in that world for the gameplay loop.

like the game is just a reskin essentially outside of gameplay loop.

[exotic pollen]

put it this way there is an undeniable correlation between good lore and game popularity, you might not care about this but it does help games do better numerically

case in point how much Arcane has fucking renaissanced the LoL community

[worn stag]

Also there’s multiple teams for this stuff.

[round sinew]

I mean WOW lore is dog shit and it is the most popular MMO tho

[worn stag]

There’s a team for development and a team for the more creative side. Sure they do have to mix when putting the ideas into the game, but the coders aren’t always going to be the writers as well.

[dense narwhal]

sorry, I tried not to :(

[exotic pollen]

weren't you the one that wanted to use comp games?

also WoW having lore to the vast extent it does is a pretty notable thing in itself

[acoustic fog]

I get that this is your opinion, and absolutely, you can feel like this
But for me it's absolutely not the same
I don't play something just for the lore per se, but an interesting setting can amplify the experience do much for me
And in a lot of cases it's actually the vibe and world of a game that can pull people in
For example I would not give a single shit about league, were it not for the cinematics and Arcane

Obviously we're on two different halves of the spectrumand I have no idea which is more frequent
But a game having worldbuilding and soul is often crucial to pull in/keep players

[wild loom]

U guys come quite close to u derstanding what lore does

[jaunty pawn]

I fell in love with my first main in League because his voice lines got me interested in his lore, which got me even more invested in playing the champion.

If the lore is good and the price of entry (complexity and amount to read/delivery) is low enough, it absolutely can have an audience and can make a meaningful impact on the game as a whole.

[worn stag]

Who was he?

[jaunty pawn]

Sylas

I'm a sucker for rebellion stories, especially those that tear down the image of a pristine empire

[worn stag]

“A Shepherd without a Herd, is just an idiot with a stick!”

[jaunty pawn]

"How beautiful a world is without walls!"
"It took prison for me to find liberation."
"Tradition is a crutch for the mindless."
"I will show them a world without lords or peasants!"
"Question authority... then slit its throat!"

Lines like this build a sense of grandeur and an entire world behind the scenes just out of sight. It makes the connection between player and character so much stronger.

Sylas has some really really good voice lines if anyone wants to listen to some of them.
https://wiki.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/Sylas/Audio

Kled also has some really really good voice lines, but they're moire humour focused.
https://wiki.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/Kled/Audio

[worn stag]

Have you played Mageseeker?

[jaunty pawn]

not yet, it's on my list

[worn stag]

👌

[worn stag]

Very late but also Swain. Just Swain.

[lavish ledge]

Kled has the best voice lines

Him and Aatrox

I also REALLY love Ekko, but that is me being very Biased

[worn stag]

I know this channel has basically died down since we aren’t getting any sort of lore update until 1.0 most likely, but, I just had a thought. After a squad becomes the last player standing, if a squad member was more selfish like Kingpin or Eva, wouldn’t they try killing their teammates to absorb all the Supervive power themselves?

[urban pond]

they have standards

[worn stag]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-tf2-professionals-have-standards-drive-gif-15105282

[acoustic fog]

I think of it like the lighthouse establishing some rules
Like, you anchor yourself so you don't actually die down there but in exchange you have to respect some things

[waxen plover]

We know there's a rule that there's no fighting on the lighthouse

[acoustic fog]

But that starts tying into the question of whether teams are chosen or random
Because if you deliberately team up with someone then it probably makes sense not to backstab them (and I imagine that eg. the Havenguard go together this is respected anyway) but if it's random then there has to be some regulations

Because there sure as hell is beef between some hunters

[acoustic fog]

And yeah that rule probably exists for a reason

[lofty vessel]

isnt the only character who currently implies any lore is shiv?

"submit to the empire"

theres some empire who rules by force using assasins

every other character is self contained, we dont even know if they know each other

[dense narwhal]

im pretty sure hudson and bishop knowing each other is confirmed?

[lofty vessel]

do they have chatter

?

[worn stag]

Brother. SAROS exists.

[urban pond]

they confirmed it on twitter I think

but if you're talking about VO, shiv, shrike and kingpin all kinda do

I can't think of much more VO the top of my head right now

saros def does

[worn stag]

Ghost knows Celeste since he has a voiceline calling her Princess.

[urban pond]

does this even play in-game?

[worn stag]

Which could mean a hell of a lot of different things

[urban pond]

as far as I know none of the interactions are hooked up

[worn stag]

Not yet.

[urban pond]

yeah

[worn stag]

Crysta is the only person who even comments about the lighthouse.

Which is both weird yet expected.

Weird because why doesn’t anyone else comment on it, but expected because if everyone else were to comment on it, it’d be annoying FAST.

[urban pond]

It's also just part of their life and I figure most hunters have accepted that

[worn stag]

Yeah that too. Which would imply that lore wise, Crysta is the most newbie of the bunch.

[urban pond]

I wonder if Beebo is ever canonically on the lighthouse or if he's just "there"

[worn stag]

He should be.

[urban pond]

like does he even have motivations or is he existing just to be a little shit

I kinda think the latter

[worn stag]

I’m sure he has motivations. We just don’t know them yet when all we have are lab notes.

[urban pond]

Currently the lore we have iirc is, he sorta just manifested out of the anomaly in Academy, and then he just ran off after they tried to study and capture him

hence the notes & the old mission flavor text that got cut when they moved to the new mission UI

[worn stag]

I mean, at least we HAVE lore on him. We dont have anything for Eva, Carbine, Celeste, and Joule. Those are just off the top of my head.

[urban pond]

Eva we know a few things

And Joule kinda?

[worn stag]

She’s an anarchist who’s traveling around with a band….thats pretty much it. And you could assume that from her voice lines.

[urban pond]

Eva we know gave up her humanity and encased an abyssal in the orb on her staff, making it her pet

[worn stag]

Wait wut? Where was this?

[urban pond]

The Japanese VO announcements had tidbits of lore, and from Justin himself

[worn stag]

Huh.

[urban pond]

Nearly every character got tiny little lore blurbs from the Japanese VA announcements, though these can be mistranslated so grain of salt

Kingpin was apparently a mobster's enforcer that did dirty work and ended up making a deal to put himself in power at the "end of the world" (likely the rising)

presumably he made this deal with abyssals

there was also a bit of lore in the chinese release announcement

[main kestrel]

So... why does it cost mana from shrike to dash but not lmb? Is the bullet she shoots when she dashes mana infused? Is that how it grounds

[umbral torrent]

Probably because it costs Shrike mana to dash via using... owl magic or something, not fire her bullets. Probably the same deal with her ult too.

[worn stag]

She has some kind of Hawk spirit with her if I’m remembering right, so she’s probably borrowing power from that.

[rare rune]

Lore starts at 29:50 - what do y'all think did i improve my interviewee technique?? or still too rambly ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFgjzIgsq2k

[worn stag]

I am not the best person to be asking that question

[rose ridge]

was a really good podcast 🙂

[astral agate]

who is Immorius

[rare rune]

INFERNAL BARON OF THE CHAOS STEPPES, RULER OF THE MOLTEN FORTRESS, CHIEF EXECUTION OFFICER OF IMMOTECH INDUSTRIES, DEITY-LORD OF THE BREACH AND RIGHTFUL OWNER OF ALL ITS TREASURES

[jagged vault]

sounds like a cool dude

[worn stag]

Neat.

So I’m guessing that since he’s immortal, he creates infinite Supervives? Even if they take a bit to form.

[astral agate]

OMG THATS SO COOL THANKS FOR ANSWERING

HE SEEMS TO BE A VERY FUN GUY

[exotic pollen]

so is Immorius like a 40K reference then?

[late gust]

That interview was perfect to me, now I'm hunting for lore

As Jin I always use ravens(lore please) and a boar for powers, so I'm basically a Pokémon trainer. He literally made everything at least 10 times more interesting. With how he described the game environment

[jaunty pawn]

Ima call him Immorbius

It's Immorbin time

[urban pond]

the patch notes should just read exactly this instead of the highlighted text

[astral agate]

THOSE WHO LOVE HIGHLIGHTED TEXT

[green chasm]

Okay but like final pve boss being a CEO who keeps giving himself titles is actually amazing.

[urban pond]

I like the idea that the wisps are a visual representation of a soul

that's really fun

[green chasm]

man, feel bad for people whose souls are office chairs

[lavish ledge]

Imotekh????

[drifting willow]

Is this..

A jarraxus refference?

[obtuse pendant]

I did love the Rescue Turtle and Chonker Cannon discussion as well

[jagged vault]

The rescue turtle is my new religion

#PraiseTheRescueTurtle

[green chasm]

Groot makes some really great points on the usefulness (indeed, the inevitability) of narrative - anything beyond raw numbers on a page is lore of a kind, has choices of design and even lore.

[worn stag]

Ok… so is Wukong a Wildling in this world?

Or at least some half wildling.

[sleek mist]

Extremely interested in more lore

If I'm maining a character I want to know all there is to know about them

Why do they have/get their abilities? Why do they say certain things? What kind of backstory do they have?

[worn stag]

Did you know Ellunas whole tribe, including her, died during the Rising and she was revived by the moon?

[sleek mist]

I like how Overwatch 1 did it, it went into depth about the origins

[sleek mist]

Yes, it's like one of the only things we know so far though

[acoustic fog]

Are ability cooldowns canon?

[worn stag]

Don’t think so. Since why would a dodge roll have a cooldown if Shiv missed her shot?

[acoustic fog]

Okay, that's fair
But for example I can see the more tech-y dashes needing to physically cool down or recharge or sth

I'm thinking Crysta or Carbine

Actually, Crysta is super complex as a whole

[worn stag]

The Soulborns are just a mystery

[warm talon]

What is this?

[worn stag]

Either that’s the lighthouse or just another part of the breach.

[warm talon]

Yeah but lore

[worn stag]

The lighthouse is basically the main hub and is the reason why the hunters come back to life.

[silent torrent]

Are cooldowns canon in any game that has them? I could see ultimates being something a character couldn't spam in lore maybe but not the basic stuff

[rare rune]

temperature check on if I did a SUPERVIVVE lore AMA on Reddit @ launch?

[urban pond]

yes yes yes yes yes ye

[exotic pollen]

low-key I think maybe don't actually

canonisation should be a process bore out in more intentional storytelling over time

was fine whilst the game was still in development as lore expansion wasn't a feasible thing to be occurring

but the lore nerd's curiosity I think is a strength best actually utilised for this game's health while it needs everything it can get

as in the end that story stops being told if this game doesn't get to keep going

[green chasm]

Would love to see that. Honestly I think any worry about revealing canon too early or the wrong way feels ill founded, as even things revealed in abstraction by AMAs or such can be exciting when demonstrated in game or in narrative form like short stories.

[drifting willow]

I mean yeah go ham, you choose what info you put out, you could be extremely vague

[tiny tangle]

I had a story idea involving Shrike as the main driver of the story. Supervive has great characters that can be explored, but I'm still organizing it. I intend to soon release a fanfic in two languages, but I still don't know where to post it to reach the community.

[astral agate]

who is Isochron

[astral agate]

Is kobayashi a rat

[wild loom]

Mika is deadly accurate here. Lore should be hinted at here and there complimented with cinematica or maybe something specific in the background even in a dev talk video. We can say yeahh!!!! go for it just for the sake of it cos we simply want lore but if u think logically id much rather have a lore ama a week after the first official cinematic drops. Like others say its not the end of the world to do it but being unbiased thinking what would be more optimal then i would wait and select a better moment. unless the release will have in its own way hints etc in which case id still give a window of time for people to speculate etc

Im not at all much into lore btw so i could be off here but its my human nature 2 cents take anyway. Regardless doing it wont doom the game or nything either so

[acoustic fog]

No i agree, leaving some time for fans to speculate and make theories is good for the hype

[wild loom]

[urban pond]

I think an AMA is possible while still being somewhat vague

Doesn't have to reveal everything big in lore

We currently don't have a lot of lore, and while I'd prefer that to be released more in-game, I'd love some more details where it's available

[green chasm]

Yeah, while I think Justin and co should be supported in all ventures to pack lore and worldbuilding into the game itself, it's not like they would be scrapping lore material in game because an AMA spoke to the idea of that thing at some point

[sour spruce]

i still think character bios would go miles in adding to the lore of the game

like, bios alone

[worn stag]

Agreed. Plenty of bios in League provide tons of lore alone.

[jaunty pawn]

I agree character bios would go me in adding to the lore :^)

[sour spruce]

LOL

[jaunty pawn]

Tyty I'm here all day

[wild loom]

ye i think things like that just take prio

They can also simply poll the post launch bigger community on how soon theyd like a lore AMA

Rather than just having it by default

Even if 2k of us say its nice, doesnt mean the result will land the way we expect it when 80k+ new players come in as example. BUt ye they can do it anyway and be vague also. Multiple routes to rome is for me the conclusion but i dont think going about it in any of these ways is dooming for the lore side of the game anyway

Ill add that altho a minor nuanced thing that can be huge but u never know / < is unlikely 9/10 times: If there is not much lore, and on release the devs are asking what the community wants to know about lore or what kinda lore they would like as example> It can make people think u dont have something ready or arent sure what to go with. Wether thats then true simply doesnt matter at all cos ppl will just make up their minds some or more of which wont care to change opinion or simply swap games. Again this is on the small side of worries but still not something to ignore either

[green chasm]

Alternatively, it can provide the community a forum to show what parts of the lore or what blind spots we're interested in, and Groot can point to the AMA to go 'hey clearly people are interested in x y and z based on the questions they're asking' and use that to justify fleshing out lore there.

Like the notion that people would looka at a team being open about a game's lore and story, and being willing to engage in the community about it, and go 'clearly they have no idea what they're doing!' and then giving up on that game is wild.

[wild loom]

Yes i fully agree with u there

Pure directional prio is one of the upsides id care about atleast.

[wild loom]

Ye it is but ppl just are like that sometimes, im not saying 50k ppl might be like that but u feel me ig

[astral agate]

who are them

@rare rune help i know they were revealed 3 seconds ago but Lore guy help us...

why is them Aura farming near Elluna, what did she do to be like she's asking for mercy...

[honest quiver]

elluna was like a literal god no

type shit

[astral agate]

Well she become one kinda

That's what happen when you die and get ressurected by a higher power and trascend between life and death

[honest quiver]

gambler...

[astral agate]

omg I also see several hammer weapons behind blacksmith confirmed

https://tenor.com/view/jump-blacksmith-castle-crashers-castle-crashers-castle-crashers-blacksmith-gif-9645492053192285920

[main kestrel]

That's hudson's job >:(

[astral agate]

but hudson has 0 aura

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-dbz-dragon-ball-piccolo-standing-on-tower-tower-gif-13558229454457057953

thats how the new unnanounced character is giving

[main kestrel]

Hudson doesn't need aura

[honest quiver]

hope they leak some tomorrow

the lanter at the start

and the cauldron at the end

gave me thresh feelings

[green chasm]

Some sort of forge guy who runs armory. Real big.

[astral agate]

No way are you implying they are a guy who runs some sort of "Armory" where the hunters collect ingredients to have things "Crafted" for them

[green chasm]

A bold and baseless prediction I know

We'll have to see if my wild speculation pays off

[worn stag]

Wait so is it gonna happen 9 pm est or pst?

[jaunty pawn]

Pwyff's message has a localized timestamp on it. Whichever time it says is in your local timezone

[worn stag]

Oh sweet! Thanks for that.

Ok so despite how much I hate FragPunk, I do think they had a cool way of learning about each of their characters. You played games as each of them to get rewards along with little tidbits of their lore. With the mastery system we have already in Supervive, I think it could be a pretty neat idea to have a mastery rank, maybe 2 or 3, give you the backstory of the characters lore alongside whatever reward you got.

[jaunty pawn]

Ooooh maybe a little tidbit bio to get you interested, then a longer blurb about them or something they did once you hit a certain mastery?

[worn stag]

Yeah something like that. Though I’d say getting all the way to mastery 5 for a characters lore is too much of a hassle, so something like 2 or 3 feels very feasible.

[jaunty pawn]

I would personally have it accompanying another minor reward so that non-loreheads don't feel left out

[worn stag]

Which is why the mastery system would be a perfect way to intertwine this idea because we’re already getting emotes and call signs.

[green chasm]

I think yeah, just do both. Like you get their bio and basic info there, so people who invest in characters off their story or character can jump on it. Then, every few mastery levels, you get like the backstory blurb or something. If Groot goes mad with power and does more Saros style short stories, maybe you can unlock access to that in game at a mastery level. Idk, gating that sort of information might be tricky, but rewards having a lore component sound rad.

[worn stag]

Again, FragPunk did a neat idea with their short stories where you had pretty simple missions and after completing them, you unlocked messages from those characters, or even a comic. So a system like that would be really nice to see.

God I FUCKING hate that FragPunk has to be handled by incompetent management because it has such good ideas. But NOOO we just have to add in AI art and AI chat support and not disclose about the art for literal months after release despite it being painfully obvious it’s there.

https://tenor.com/view/such-wasted-potential-sub-zero-mortal-kombat11-mortal-kombat-gif-25119153

[green chasm]

while the tactical shooter style just isn't my thing, have tried it and followed it. Weird mix of very charming concepts and ideas, and generally cohesive (if not always innovative) kits, but like... weirdly bland character style for a game so set on loud visuals. But such criticism is neither her nor there for this subject.

[drifting willow]

She's probably asking him for forge a weapon for her

He has a hammer, he's in a forge

He even asks "What will you forge"

and they've been refering to this new system as 'The Armory'

So definetly something interesting, will be fun to see what they did

[worn stag]

“Excuse me. Do you happen to have the ability to forge a weapon with the power of the moon?”

[drifting willow]

pretty much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ORbK75WTcY

[worn stag]

Well we have less than 12 hours till we know what the forge is all about.

[drifting willow]

yep

Gonna be cool

[worn stag]

Has it been stated how long this will be?

I imagine it’s at least gonna go for 10 minutes. At most maybe half an hour. But even then that’s probably stretching it.

[astral agate]

Definitely not 6 minutes

[drifting willow]

Pretty sure maintenance is till the 24th

So launch.

[worn stag]

I was talking about the premiere.

[drifting willow]

Oh you mean- yea

Mb

Nono the premiere definetly lasts till launch

Mhm mhm

[worn stag]

Damn a premiere that lasts for 6 days?! Didn’t think there would be THAT much to go over./J

[lavish ledge]

No sleep for Joe

[astral agate]

Definitely not 6 minutes

[worn stag]

Wait so why show Wukong when you aren’t even gonna talk about him?

[astral agate]

Well I thought the video was gonna go up to 10 minutes too.....

[drifting willow]

Actually the lore here goes wild

Finding reliqs make a ton of senae

Lost items of massive power

[drifting willow]

Also @rare rune

Genuinly, the names, the visuals, all of that for the new perks, reliqs, kicks and grips? So fucking sick, love the designs and the story they tell

Like there's so many insane examples and this is just one

[jaunty pawn]

Dude I am loving the art direction of the 1.0 items. I was always a fan of the angular design language the concept art had. Really happy to see that getting leaned into

[drifting willow]

So sick! I don't remember what they're called, but it's like that one thing of the same colour that can be millions of years old, and have ancient insects inside it

[drifting willow]

Right? So cool?

[worn stag]

Amber

[urban pond]

The art direction for 1.0 is so goddamn sick

The team did so well on it

[drifting willow]

Thank you

[urban pond]

Personal favorites are Be Kind, Rewind and Wildfire Drive

[drifting willow]

I thought it might be, it's æmber in danish so

[worn stag]

Where are you finding these?

[urban pond]

op.gg has them uploaded

[worn stag]

Neat

[drifting willow]

https://supervive.op.gg/meta-armory?rarity=&search=&tag=

Its sick

They're all so sick

[urban pond]

wildfire drive is so cute

lil dude

[worn stag]

Embry’s deformed cousin

[drifting willow]

Yeah

I love that even t2 items get that much love

[worn stag]

Oh Ardent Strongbow is sick

[drifting willow]

I really like all the exotic perks too

Like this is renewal

Which is probably vive soul

So cool!!!

I also love grabble hook change because they really didnt have to

But they still did

Grabbly the squiid

[main kestrel]

Weirdly feel like it'll still root you based on that design 😨

Feels like a lot of the old powers became consumables. Even robber is now a consumable

[ember rose]

Looks like the balls from nier automata

[drifting willow]

Im not sure how much i like the borser of it when its this big but when its tinier it might look a lot more natural

Legit gather the five exodia gemstones xD

[drifting willow]

Yeah

Of all the power iterations we've seen

This version definetly seems the most interesting

I do like the 'rarely usable' powers being filtered to consumable

[ember rose]

I think i stated that in some comment on reddit. Since they added the hunters' portraits to the game, i was in love with the art style we were heading into. The design of armoury items is a cherry on top

[drifting willow]

But some are really good powers normally too

[drifting willow]

The game has always been pretty stunning visually

But some of the ui is still questionable

[main kestrel]

I'm wondering what majes mecha boosters exotics? Based on this they can't have active abilities, and they're the only boots/kicks above rare so far. Likely some more but I'm still curious what they could have to be exotic

[drifting willow]

"When you jump, go reaaaally far up" (10 second cooldown)

[main kestrel]

I do too. Even nuke became a consumable. We might legit need a couple more consumable alots at this rate

[ember rose]

I mean yeah. In almost every form I filled i said "It' just lacks polish" and I am so happy that the polish is finally comming.

[urban pond]

looks like there's 4 open consumable slots in the bottom from the 1.0 reveal vid

[ember rose]

Can't wait for full hunters' bio

[drifting willow]

10 stacks of resonance

Huh

Interesting

[main kestrel]

Ik we have the same just feels like we might actually need more cus so so many consumables.

[drifting willow]

The staff is a power!??

[urban pond]

looks to be a relic

[drifting willow]

Wait but

[main kestrel]

I think it's amplifier when i think about it

[drifting willow]

Reliqs are powers no?

[main kestrel]

Powers/items all the same

[drifting willow]

I see

[main kestrel]

I think if it's a "complex passive" it becomes a relic instead of a grip. Otherwise if it's a simply passive i think it'll just be a grip

[drifting willow]

Yeah but time seems simple

Maybe it has secondary effects

[drifting willow]

That would make sense

[urban pond]

here's the extra star levels

[main kestrel]

Tbf cdr is just that strong.

[drifting willow]

Yea

True

I do kinda dislike the star levels giving a stat advantage but

W/e you can get them when you kill ppl too

[urban pond]

this beebo skin so peak btw

[drifting willow]

Yeah

The eva skin.. hmm

A little disappointing, but its a blue skin

My friend really wanted a halloween eva skin though

With lil bats and a moon

[glad sequoia]

She asked for hoverwings xD

[worn stag]

Is the blacksmith actually named Rumel?

[drifting willow]

Could be

[rose ridge]

its lemur backwards

lemur said its named after him

[worn stag]

If that’s actually an easter egg to Lemur, that’s really funny

[obtuse pendant]

Well where do you think Kicks come from?

[rose ridge]

im trying to find justin confirming it in lemurs vods

https://i.imgur.com/2En9ST8.png

[worn stag]

That’s amazing

[lavish ledge]

Devs are based as fuck

[main kestrel]

Rumel is indeed beloved, haven't met a single person with anything against the guy.
I love stuff like this

[jaunty pawn]

Perry the Platypus as next hunter confirmed

[lavish ledge]

A normal platypus?

[worn stag]

So I’m guessing we won’t get any hunter bios when 1.0 drops.

[queen veldt]

https://youtu.be/-ocDmUcq6sQ

JP account dropped a lore video

Auto translate isnt too bad

Mostly understandable

Its basically talking about the time when the skylands were raised into the sky, questioning who caused the event, and consequences of the rising

[jagged vault]

[main kestrel]

We might. There is some stuff but idk if it'll necessarily be bios

[worn stag]

Oh it’s just the lore panels we had months ago made into a video for Japanese fans.

[jolly halo]

bro i read it as rizzing am cooked

[jaunty pawn]

It was KP's dumptruck ass hitting the earth from the top rope

[queen veldt]

Ahh

[queen veldt]

Someone on reddit said the same thing

[rare rune]

i was happy to receive your tag re: positive vibes on Armory item theming @drifting willow. These were so much fun to work on, a group effort between me and the concept artists, tons of brainstorming and crazy ideas.

The flavor text (each item has some when you unlock it) will be the first significant written L O R E to appear inside SUPERVIVE, and I look forward to hearing what everybody thinks!!

[worn stag]

Awesome!

[urban pond]

i'm such a flavor text enjoyer

super fun way to hint at stuff

[worn stag]

Im sure it’ll tide us over till we learn about the hunters, whenever that happens.

[main kestrel]

I wanna know if hudskn made any of the items. Since he's a blacksmith, so I would not be surprised

[worn stag]

I’ll be honest, unless he happens to know how to use Prisma, I doubt it.

Prisma seems to be a gemstone that only this specific forger can utilize to make these relics and weapons.

[main kestrel]

We don't even know if this person made them. And I don't think he made all of them at least

[urban pond]

i like how his mace is a D20

that's very cool

[main kestrel]

And based prisma seems to work i would nit be surprised if hudson's gun arm was made with prisma

[urban pond]

really love supervive's mix of fantasy, tech and street aesthetics in general tbh

it's a very different vibe

BIG CAT GUY WITH MAGIC ROCKS AND D20 MACE + STREET GRAFFITI

[drifting willow]

Yeah that sounds SICK!! Hearthstone's flavor text on cards is one of my favourite things, just looking at a card and going "oh those silly beans xD"

SHES EVERYWHERE

[main kestrel]

That one armory girl. That's what I shall know her as

She has some item with her face on it

[jaunty pawn]

I'm thinking she might be the wizard hat silhouette from the 1.0 video.

The hair seems to loosely fit with the silhouette

[drifting willow]

Maybe

It could be

[scenic violet]

Justin can you look at #1396564633468407859 ?

[scenic violet]

Also we need more puns in items! I love puns.

[worn stag]

Wait so the hunters DONT choose what their wisp is?

It’s just random when dropping?

[rose ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2mIn9KUiN4 lore vid?

[urban pond]

i think justin said it was a representation of a hunter's "essence"

like a visual representation

[worn stag]

So carrot because…bunny?

[urban pond]

doesn't have to make sense i think

[worn stag]

Still the line “Why do I have to be the carrot?” Feels like a weird line. Cause that would imply Elluna has NEVER died while on these hunts.

[urban pond]

the wisp is like a liminal stage of life/death where because you're tethered to the lighthouse your "essence/soul" becomes visible

[astral agate]

in case I create this idea we should have the cinematic Supervive universe and call it the Superviverse

We all would love the Superviverse

[worn stag]

The voice acting was great in this trailer, especially Joules.

[astral agate]

#💬│supervive message for people who want to vote on which ship should win based on the new trailer come here Lore people!!

[glad sequoia]

The last line joule said was “as soon as im out of this wisp, im gonna turn you into a lightning rod!” So Im assuming the wisp form is like how the lighthouse keeps them alive until they get rezzed?

[worn stag]

That makes sense

Though that would bring the question up of why Oath can’t. Maybe because he’s been dead for too long?

[glad sequoia]

Or maybe hes just a sentient wisp 🤷

[main kestrel]

This may be a little dark, maybe oath is a wisp that consumed the essence of another hunter becoming a sentient wisp at the price of someone else.

[drifting willow]

Nah cant believe

THEY MADE VOID GO "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH"

Bro is he wahlougi wtf

My character! ;~;

Oki lemme watch the rest

Its good so far though

Void got destroyed though

[silent zealot]

better than being jin

and dying in the abyss bcs of a joule

👍

[main kestrel]

Jin deserved it. Cannot change my mind.

[green chasm]

Based on some early barks, I think we can suppose wukong is from a simian wildling community who has a journey or pilgrimage as a rite of passage. Inferring from this, we may see him as someone currently on such a quest, meaning we recreate the wandering hero situation of journey to the west in the context of the game world, albeit with him as plucky young protagonist compared to the original's press ganged former rebel against heaven, while carrying over the more lighthearted trickster elements his modern iterations often get.

[worn stag]

Wait so…is Jin’s lust for blood because of his arm?

Feytech Claw flavor text: “Like most Feytech, corruptive to human biology if worn too long”

That actually makes Jin really interesting now.

[worn stag]

The Shaper. That’s this Prismasmiths name

[green chasm]

yep. Where he fits in cosmologically is less clear thus far

[worn stag]

Selunis is the name of the moon.

Also is Brall a Rathal’an? The rampager looks really similar to one of the skins he has.

[green chasm]

what are those?

[worn stag]

A tribe of warriors.

[stable timber]

I do like the item descriptions for loooore

[worn stag]

That juicy juicy loooooooorrrreeeeeee

[astral agate]

The results are in everyone

the public wants Ellushiv

[stable timber]

I-I don’t think thats how you name fights

[green chasm]

Lore tidbits from various items unlocked on first day (going to needlessly spoil them for folks that want to find out for themselves)
||Fey typically find the Soulborn Abominable||
||Oath seems to be part of a larger group of ancient robots called Oathkeepers that were dug up in the efforts to fight the Abyssals that overtook the surface world. Our Oath either ditched (hey, Oathbreaker, anyone?) or missed the buss and ended up on the risen parts of the world.||
||Revtech Sages seem mentioned - powered material in the style of Bishop, maybe?||

Noted Characters - Names to Watch, Maybe?
||Avalonus, the scholar of the Risen Empire also responsible for https://x.com/playSUPERVIVE/status/1871254449122922497 is a voice referenced.||
||Vermillia, a 'Renegade Queen' is cited. Given her name just means 'red lass' it might be random source, though maybe she has something to do with ol' script eyes or that old blood knight concept?||

[worn stag]

||once again the Fey are just the biggest assholes in this universe.||

[green chasm]

||I mean they're cyberpunk elves. Whatcha expect?||

[worn stag]

“To fly amongst the clouds is to make art from the sky.” Wonder when that’ll come up and what it’ll mean.