Core Keeper University

[trim kestrel]

What other ingredient combos make dishes with different icons and different rarities? (That you've seen.)

What do you think might have crashed it...? You got any sprinklers within ~80 tiles of it?

I'll try to run mine for a couple of hours later, over dinner. But I feel like 50 tiles wide (100 long) should be enough, for mining skill.

Obviously, for farming, one should try to get up to 999, if possible. I think.

[inland compass]

yeah it was parallel with my sprinklers, and it was unload/loading my base

one of my merchants got out of his house

[lilac gale]

It's from what I can tell only the new foods. I'll have to do more testing when I get home later today.

Off the top of my head though I can't remember any others that did it that I have cooked

[remote thunder]

so how does moss work, can I put moss from stone in the dirt biome, does it need to be on a solid floor, if so does the floor have to correspond?

[inland compass]

moss works on all floor types

don't stack multiple types of moss (or spawners -- slime/chrysalis/etc)

[trim kestrel]

Yeah. Don't stack, but do alternate types of moss, for higher throughput of mobs. Possibly about 2x increase, over one type of moss in a big solid block, when laying it in alternate stripes, or a chess board pattern, with the other moss types.

Same for slimes.

[trim kestrel]

Have you checked to see if that's made any of the watered ground tiles bug out? 🙂

I've had an NPC teleport out too (in 0.4, I think). But also, as far as I know, doors may unload at 80 tiles, still, too...? They fixed them losing their collider for players, in 0.4.3, though.

[inland compass]

Nah this guy was locked in his bed, blocked by other items

He didn't wander out due to the collider unloading

[trim kestrel]

Which also unload past 80 tiles, still, maybe. Then can kick the NPCs off on reloading, if they moved on top. But yeah, probably not that.

[inland compass]

The game is fine and lag free after restarting so it isn't the same sprinkler issue

I have random crashes while exploring as well

I don't think their load/unload code is solid

[floral tendon]

just early access things

[trim kestrel]

Yeah, so, this little area of my dirt biome has bizarrely lumpy spawns in horizontal slices, too...

I replicated this pattern while over 100 tiles away (on rail loop) and while standing afk right next to it.

So, next step would be to cross reference my vertical and horizontal spawn rates, to find the tiny patches that give insanely high spawn rate (or none at all).

[green imp]

Wait, what happens when the plants mature? Wouldnt afk leveling stop?

[trim kestrel]

You harvest them, with punch, and automatically replant with the stack of seeds that's in your hand.

[green imp]

I might be confused. So you have to alternate between right click and left click then?

[trim kestrel]

Nope. Hold both.

[green imp]

Didn't know that would work. Thanks

[trim kestrel]

At least, i think it has to be both, like with the AFK mining skill while standing still.

[green imp]

I coded a python that alternate between right and left clicking when I was maxing out my mining skill. Wish I knew about this 😅

[inland compass]

This is new with sunken sea

Also there's a slight memory build up while doing the mining loop

Not enough to OOM the game, but it indicates something is getting allocated and not released

[trim kestrel]

Small memory leak? (OOM... Oh, out of memory.)

[inland compass]

Wonder if they spawn new unity objects when you punch a wall

To keep track of cracking and hitpoints

[trim kestrel]

🤷 Who knows... Though surely more likely to be related to loading/unloading, right? Unless same happens with stationary AFK mining setup?

[inland compass]

You're not hitting as many wall objects while stationary, and you destroy them which probably has proper cleanup code

I don't think they envisioned someone looping around punching random walls every second for over an hour

[trim kestrel]

Good point.

[inland compass]

Really i should move it to a new world so it has nothing but the track

[trim kestrel]

Not that much to setup, yeah.

It would probably be good to have, as a general resource, a world file with everything cleared out for 300 tiles, radially. 🤔

[inland compass]

270000 tiles right?

lots of ground lol

[trim kestrel]

I mean. Various players have done this already... So it's a question of who we know, who can upload a pre-stripped world. 🙂

[inland compass]

or means i need to work on my miner bot

😄

[green imp]

Someone uploaded a stripped world up to ghorms circle

[trim kestrel]

Any idea who or where? (Link?) 🙂

[green imp]

@halcyon shell

[trim kestrel]

Thanks. I see she did the big dig, but not a file upload... #🎮-game-discussion message

Huh. looks like my NPC also teleported out of their room while I was AFK on minecart loop, last night. Same room from while one escaped in that direction before...

Maybe the memory leak is related to mob teleportation...?

[long dagger]

There's a memory leak issue?

[inland compass]

i had a very slow increase of memory while i loop mining

like 40MB in about 30 min

Actually increase surviving multiple rounds of garbage collection

[trim kestrel]

Oh, Craig, I had a thought: how about keeping an entire AFK mining skill farm within a 20x20 footprint? Possible? (I'll give it a go later.)

When I was testing loading ranges, there was usually a 20 tile hysteresis between loading and unloading. So if you move less than that, it might avoid any problems from that.

Although, a higher proportion of vertical rails would mean lower efficiency - more useless hits.

[uncut remnant]

How do you afk mining?

Just a macro to place block, break it, etc.?

[halcyon shell]

@trim kestrel Im away from home, but I can give it to u in a few days

[trim kestrel]

OK, thanks. 👍

[trim kestrel]

'Just'... 😅 https://youtu.be/-99Uhil0KKU

In short, you don't need a script/macro. If doing the standing still method, hold a stack of blocks and stick both mouse buttons down, to one side of you.

Or use Craigin style minecart loop about 50 tiles or more wide. And just punch, never breaking any walls.

The tricky part is getting your mining power into the zone where it gives you XP from hitting the block of choice. e.g. ~178 for wilderness grass blocks.

[trim kestrel]

So, I did the basic measurements and maths:
• Tracks take 5 seconds to recover from a hit.
• (Grass) walls take 5.5 seconds to heal (from a pickaxe hit).
• Minecart travels at ~14 tiles per second (to the nearest second).

So a loop of 5.5*14 = 77 tiles makes it impossible (in theory) to break anything, no matter how you punch.

I made this one 79 tiles long. In a movement footprint of 12 wide by 11 tiles tall. It wastes something like 1/4 of the punches on the vertical. But doesn't seem in any danger of breaking. And maybe there's less world loading/unloading. Going to run it for a couple hours now, I guess. 🙂

[inland compass]

K. I started on an empty world

I'll see if it still crashes

Also for the vertical return you can zig zag and potentially punch a wall

[inland compass]

haven't crashed yet

[trim kestrel]

Yes. And I saw that your build did. But ultimately you have the same number of verticals and for each horizontal take a horizontal from the other side.

So it's not clear to me if that would change anything, on average. Only if the punch reach is quite long and prefers walls to rails. Or punches just happens to sync perfectly with inward parts.

I might do a slow-mo video analysis later... 🙂

[inland compass]

I'm hoping the vertical reach of the punch hits the wall most of the time

Since it can reach slightly farther upwards

[trim kestrel]

Well, mine ran fine for 2 hours, no breakages. And levelled up my mining the last quarter of 77... This slowness is wild! I can't believe there's not a quicker way to do this. Than 1 xp per hit.

[inland compass]

What radius did you want a clear world at?

[lilac gale]

Who in the hell did this? lol

[lilac gale]

I will be doing testing with this now, I will attempt to post results within the coming hour.

[inland compass]

i'm just doing pi * r^2

[lilac gale]

Oh, phew

thought I got beat out lmao

[inland compass]

however captain stupid gave me the code i need to do it easy

if you don't mind slime with your dirt

[lilac gale]

remove that many tiles?

I'm surprised he gave you the code, he's pretty careful with who he allows access to his stuff

[inland compass]

yeah he trusts me lol

lets just say this world will have about 100,000 ghorms in it

😄

[lilac gale]

Good to hear that he does, he needs some people to trust

Oh, that would make sense yea

[inland compass]

why clear the tiles when you can spawn ghorm to do it for you

[trim kestrel]

I thought I'd seen screenshots of worlds with all dirt, stone and clay removed...?

[lilac gale]

I thought he was referring to outward progression at first

the equation he gave made me realize otherwise

I was just skimming on my phone before getting onto my PC lol

[trim kestrel]

Ahh... You planning on going for a 1M tile swim next...? 😜

[lilac gale]

Nah, it's barely worthwhile to do

Ruin another world just to say I did it

that much rendered water too might make the world perma-crash before I even got out that far lol

err- generated water not rendered

[lilac gale]

So, immediate interesting thing of note: Golden Pewpaya is cooking into base quality rare regardless of what I have put into the pot with it, while Golden Pinegrapple is not. I'll see if this sticks across the batch of tests I do tonight. I have batches of 50 ingredients in each slot going 11 batches at a time.

@trim kestrel

It may be just golden pewpaya that is guaranteed to be base rare then, but time will tell I suppose

[inland compass]

#🔧-modding-chat message

clearing started

[inland compass]

so far so good

[trim kestrel]

Grubzooka 2.0, more like Grub-NUKE-ah! 🤯 😅 What about all the digging?

[inland compass]

what digging? lol

[trim kestrel]

I thought the point was to clear it all out...? That's what I was going for. Nothing to load in or out, or consider for spawns. No terrain...

[inland compass]

ahhh

pure void

[trim kestrel]

That's one heck of an orange slime farm, though... 😅

[green imp]

Instead of grubzooka, try chicken beam. No ground slimes afterward, better lighting, and most enemy spawning stuff is removed

[lilac gale]

Zero you're welcome to come try to make sense of this, because I have no clue what to make out of it except cooking sucks.

[trim kestrel]

Golden pewpaya is king of the ingredients, then maybe? Will you lay out the resultant dishes somewhat like this?:

[lilac gale]

There are too many cooked foods to make them like that, since some give three different foods

I have a slightly differently laid out system

etc.etc.

You can just join me off Steam if you'd like to see the results, I have them in chests nearby me

[trim kestrel]

That's good too.

[green imp]

In case you're curious about food color

4 color data for each ingredient

I may or may not have messed with those data using CE with moderate success

[trim kestrel]

Thanks.

[lilac gale]

It confuses me

I hope it does not confuse you too much lol

All I could really tell from grabbing them was the smoothies always have the different sprite epic

[trim kestrel]

So. I mean. It makes sense, right? Apart from you being weirdly unlucky on a few. And the different dish image template for epics....?

[lilac gale]

It makes sense for the most part. It's somewhat illogical with how it chose certain foods to not be base rare and some to be base rare

[trim kestrel]

It that brown bowl with red stuff sprite shared with anything else?

[lilac gale]

Like with the pewpaya samples how puffungi and bomb pepper are base uncommon

[green imp]

I have every cooked food combination saved in a world if you researchers are interested. I haven't, however, tried flipping which ingredient is on top and which is at the bottom

[lilac gale]

I do not believe so, I think it is only with the new ingredients

[green imp]

Organized by ingredient from the wikizet

[trim kestrel]

It makes no difference which is top/bottom, that I've seen.

Every combination, eh? Including all the epics? Are you offering up the save file? Or just a visit?

[green imp]

I'm offering the save files, but not the epic. I have, however, the skill to "epicfy" them

I mean, you're my hero when I was starting out with Terraria

By skill, I mean CE skill to guarantee epic version

[trim kestrel]

I mean. I told myself I was done with this cooking theory mallachy, for now...

Oh, lol. 😳

[lilac gale]

I'm good, I just wanted to know why there were randomly different sprite epics

and I sorta figured it out, so I am good

[trim kestrel]

I mostly wanted to be able to explain what's wrong with the current system and get feedback on what most players would like it to look like (if they understood it, but it's too confusing).

[manic shore]

whar

[trim kestrel]

If/when I come back around to looking at the cooking system again, can I maybe give you a ping?

[green imp]

And totally, just ping me any time

[trim kestrel]

Oh. Source code? You've decompiled?

OK... 🤷

[lilac gale]

Might be safer to toss those in the #🔧-modding-chat area as a just in case

[green imp]

@inland compass

[lilac gale]

idk how they're planning to handle the modded related stuff in other channels now that the one dedicated to modding is around

[inland compass]

yeah beam just doesn't go as far

[green imp]

Wouldn't it be funny if you send ghorm from the sunken sea back 😅

[lilac gale]

I'm sure you wouldn't get anything other than just a reminder to use the channel, but better safe than sorry lol

[inland compass]

ghormzooka done

[trim kestrel]

So, I've pretty much divided up this spawn rate anomaly. The little chamber (A), on the left, with 10 slime floor spawns consistently more than the big chamber (B) in the middle with 65 spawn surface.

In 87 minutes:
(A) Spawned 6 slimes - 41 spawns per 100 tiles per hour.
(B) Spawned 4 slimes - 4 spawns per 100 tiles per hour (10 times slower).
Vs normal rate everywhere else of 7. 😵‍💫

[gusty epoch]

Oh that looks horrible lol

[inland compass]

have a few slimes

[trim kestrel]

And same thing with urban moss.

So, I'm wondering what weirdness their algorythm has, in processing X-Ys, that creates this kind of a knot in space?

That is, if everyone will see this same behaviour, in this spot in their worlds...?

[inland compass]

looking like it took about 1500 ghorms to do that

[solemn saffron]

@trim kestrel i did two test of 10 min on my current farm whit this composition to see the drops... in the first test the position of the PG is near the killing zone see the image and this is the loot, during the ten minutes I checked the infected showed up more often than other types of mobs as if there was a maximum limit of mobs present.

In the second ten minute test my position was in the center, look at the image, and this is the loot. what I noticed after ten minutes was that this time there was an accumulation of caveling scolar and golems.

[solemn saffron]

hello what mod you used to do this i need to destroy boulder fast 🙂 i need a way to clear a zone fast and ec to make a pixel art.

[trim kestrel]

Oh, interesting... (What:s PG stand for?)

So, your circle radius is ~200 tiles, right? So I'd estimate the spawn surface per segment at ~15000 tiles. Unless you have a more accurate count from laying any of them...?

Most of those drops aren't so good for easily inferring spawn-rates, because they are rare (so high uncertainty) and/or shared between different biomes of mobs....

But purple and blue slime should be pretty solid, at ~96% drop rate, unique to those mobs. So at ~30 each in 10min, that equates to ~190 spawns per hour, per each of those segments.

So, about: 190 / 150 = 1.3 spawns per hour, per 100 tiles.

Very low compared to my 7 per hour per 100 for my 10x10 purple slime farms.

So, for sure, something is severely curtailing the spawn-rate, there. Part of it will be:
(1) Diminishing returns on intrinsic spawn rates, with bigger areas.
(2) Stagnant mobs, loitering on the spawn surface, blocking some would- be spawns.
(3) Part may be some high level (wide range) mob cap, I don't know.

We could get a feel for (2) if you were to completely cover, say, the purple slime segment with conveyors that move the mobs off the spawn surface as fast as possible. See how much the rate shifts compared to blue.

We could test (3) by blocking off all the feeds from all segments execpt, say blue and purple. To see how the accumulation of those other mobs impacts the spawn rate. Or if it will even halt it altogether, at some point (BACK UP SAVE before this. In case excessive mobs make it unloadable.) 👍

[solemn saffron]

for pg i mean the character or my position when afk for ten minutes and for the extra test i can share the world if you want to test directly

[trim kestrel]

Ok, I guess. If you don't fancy doing it yourself? 😜

[solemn saffron]

well i wanted to make a pixel art in that world but i can't move to much around from the center or the world stat to crash xD the game go crazy even if i'm at 60 fps far away... and line 25-15 if i'm close to the killing zone. hope you don't get so many crash 🙂

[trim kestrel]

Oh, what fun... Lol. So it might be impossible to even apply conveyors to all of an addition segment? Like, even that far will likely crash it?

[solemn saffron]

that why i leave some space i was scared the game would crash more i just add the necessary one. the game crash if you are far or if you use the portal or if you move alot up and down in the farm but if you are at center hardly crash and if all the kind of mob come how they should you will never get stuck mob but some time one kind get stuck if you move alot in the center

[trail badger]

so, the sprinkler thing was a particle update, are we assuming the layering issue still remains?

[inland compass]

i was able to afk farm for a long time with no issues

[inland compass]

i have my own mod program, i just put in the code to spawn ghorm every 5 seconds lol

[solemn saffron]

😆

[trail badger]

Hmm, guess ill try them and go from there

[inland compass]

I had 2 rows of 25-26 sprinklers each. I afk farmed over 8 hours with no issues

Afk mining on the other hand is messing everything up

[trail badger]

hmm, guess to be safe i should still try to make sure they stay in a chunk boundry

[inland compass]

Mine went 2 chunks wide

[lilac gale]

I wonder why the mining is even causing issues in the first place.

Could storing the damaged state data cause that much lag?

Cause idk what else would possibly cause it

[inland compass]

No idea, i set up in a fresh world and it only made it about 3 hours before bugging out

Fresh world, i was just walking back and forth punching a long line of grass wall

[lilac gale]

I wonder if those particle effects from hitting the wall stay until the wall is broken for some reason

Or some wacky thing like that

Cause hitting a wall really shouldn't cause lag

[inland compass]

I came down this morning and the game state was messed up. I would break a dirt wall and it would pop back

And i couldn't eat, thats how i knew how long it went

[lilac gale]

Dang

Is the world permanently like that too?

[inland compass]

nah, restarting fixes it

[lilac gale]

Ok so it's not something that persists at least

[trim kestrel]

That's like if server communication breaks down, right? (Including as 'single player'.) Like, the client code tries to make a change to the world, but the server doesn't accept it. So, a comms backlog issue...?

[inland compass]

yeah

similar to harvesting the crops and they pop back

[trim kestrel]

I'm still adamant that chunk boundaries have no use except for (initial) world generation. (And map file image sub-sections, maybe?)

I saw the sprinkler induced ground tile corruption lag load in at ~80 tiles radius (all 4 directions). And Peace seemed to get it at about 80 tiles. (You going to try that setup you had again?)

[trail badger]

i just want to avoid the corruption issue. i thought consensus was that it seemed to be if they went into a half load unload state and water tiles that werent technically loaded. if not then i wont stress it

[trim kestrel]

Sure. Could well be at the loading transition. But this is radial, so there's no benefit of looking at chunk boundaries (except for as rough measurement of how far away you'll be standing).

@long dagger - did you find a (vanilla) way to convert maze wall obsidian, then?: #📷-ck-media message

[trail badger]

ok, i wont worry about it then, just try to keep it reasonable. thanks!

[long dagger]

Just floors, for the walls that I did manage to remove, I had ghorm destroy them

[trim kestrel]

Oh right. Of course.

[trim kestrel]

Since when did a simple 1 second oscillator become viable for an auto-sorter setup?

Did 0.4 increase the delay before drills hit (objects)?

(This is in @solemn saffron's farm setup that I'm having a nose in.)

[solemn saffron]

well it works on both my farm

if you go in the base the wood farm is working in the same way

[floral tendon]

i feel like it's been that way for a while

tho maybe 0.4 has been out for a while 😂

[trim kestrel]

It's been out a whole month now, yeah.

Maybe @ripe lily noted the timing of the change...?

[trim kestrel]

So I see. 🙂

You've put blue slime under some of the collection conveyors. Does that help prevent the mobs from running against the conveyor movement (or stepping off it)?

[floral tendon]

i don't think slime effects work under belts..

[solemn saffron]

sadly is like ricegnat is said i was testing it

the only way to get them pushed is to be hit by the blu slime

if you happen to see them push some golem they go so fast on the conveyor

[floral tendon]

crab bubbles apply slippery right

[trim kestrel]

This always slips my mind... Yeah. But the acid works (on mobs, not players). I'll have to make a little table of this, if I make a guide. For my benefit. 😅

Crab bubbles also kill, though, so that'd be their main use, right...?

But you could have a one tile conveyor gap with blue slime down, every so often. Or pink if going for poison. Any mobs behind would push them onwards, if they stopped on it.

[floral tendon]

acid doesn't work either, strictly speaking

it only works specifically on the edge of the last belt

it doesn't work along the belt

[trim kestrel]

I've been watching it hitting mobs in the middle of conveyors. 🙂

[floral tendon]

🤔 interesting

never worked when i tried it

[inland compass]

crit build isn't too shabby

i did have a question for the cooks out there though

gold heart berry + pink coralotl = uncommon(green) fish balls

but gold heart berry + silver darter = Rare (blue) pudding

any idea why the base food rarity is different?

proc rate for epic seems to be the same

[trim kestrel]

It. Is. Arbitrary. No rhyme or reason for which ingredient takes precedence for making the dish type (suffix & icon). So gold veg only get to make base rare dishes about half the time (maybe a bit more).

I've posted about this repeatedly while adding it to my guide. 😜 https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2797638499

[inland compass]

lol even the food type randomly changes

nice

[trim kestrel]

BTW. I'm still not seeing any evidence for a hard (total) mob cap.

The longer I leave @solemn saffron's farm running, with 6 of the 8 segments blocked up, the lower my frame rate goes. But Purple and blue slimes keep on coming at a good rate.

Hard to judge exact spawn rate, given that this slows game speed a lot. But I'll use the 1s timer blink as a yardstick and give a rough estimate later.

[inland compass]

this isn't true, unless i'm reading it wrong:
"Epic rarity is only achievable when receiving a bonus cooked food dish, which included a golden vegetable, that has elevated the dish up to rare, already. Then it must also trigger the "Master Chef" cooking skill, which acts only on bonus cooked food (with a 25% chance, maximum)."

and it isn't a double proc of master chef, the %'s don't line up unless i'm crazy lucky, as I cooked more epic than rare

what i think you see is the master chef procs, and you get a 50/50 chance of that proc being epic or rare. but if the base dish is already rare it doesn't upgrade it

so you only see the epic rolls

[inland compass]

but your graphic later on has it right

(and i was just getting crazy rolls with those fish, for parity epic and rare)

[trim kestrel]

Hmm. It looked like I didn't quite manage to fully re-word that paragraph, from what I said in the previous guide iteration...

It's very tricky to explain all this in words, and I'm trying to lay it all out a bit at a time...

But I think it is right, strictly. Re-reading it carefully. Only bonus food triggers masterchef. So you need both successively for epic food.

But there's two cases for the bit before: (1) default dish was already rare. (2) default dish was uncommon, bonus food made it rare, then masterchef made it epic. Two different rolls happen immediately on taking food out of the pot.

[inland compass]

yeah i would just call the Gold+Normal = Uncommon a bug

[trim kestrel]

You think...? Interesting. I thought maybe trying to increase the variation of dish types... But yeah.

[inland compass]

i would say the gold+normal = uncommon is a bug, and when the extra food drop processes it processes correctly

the question is why they don't fix it

lol

honestly unless they plans to double the amount of ingredient items, i'd just use bitwise operations with the highest 2 bits being rarity. makes things super simple.

right now there are 32ish ingredients, use a long which is 64 bits and you have plenty of space

[floral tendon]

are pots treated the same as food for buffs?

[trim kestrel]

No, they can stack. 🙂 E.g. Keen pot and ranged damage from pewpaya.

[floral tendon]

sicc

[inland compass]

with max gear and full crit build including the epic ranged & crit fish food, all the bosses were pretty easy, but I kept un-intentionally out ranging ormorath while dodging his whirlwinds

[trim kestrel]

You mean, heading out to the cheese spot range, effectively?

[inland compass]

yeah like i'd boat away from him

and end up at the 20+ tiles distance and he just stops attacking

[trim kestrel]

And I'm going to call it on the mob cap hypothesis, @long dagger - there's no way it's a thing! 😅

I'm down to 2fps, here. After 3.5h of running the mega farm blocked up on 6 of 8 segments. Purple and blue slimes still coming as if nothing's different.

Which means that, hypothetically, it should be possible to increase the output of a max sized farm by (I think) a factor of 3, with striped spawn surface types.

Or make it 1/3 the size for the same result. Given that 3 times faster spawns would mean 3 times more mobs in transit and probably 1/3 the fps, slowing the game down.

Anyway, no crashes! Even when I ran out to the bottom edge (twice), to bottle the stone cavelings at the start. So thanks for the build, @solemn saffron. 👍

[long dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-is-going-on-here-confused-reading-it-cant-be-shocked-gif-17571504

There's gotta be something affecting mobs from spawning in a large range, how else would my farm not produce much till I cleared out the stone biome

I'm confused now 😵‍💫

Cleared out the mobs there, not the walls/floors*

[trim kestrel]

I don't know. Maybe spawning can get stuck like root growth can...?

Maybe there are other perceptual differences, depending upon where you've had the player positioned over the last however much time... 🤷

[long dagger]

So they r just garunteed to continue spawning if their mob type doesn't fill the small mob cap radius and if ur ~100+ tiles away?

[solemn saffron]

funny so no cap i can't get it to run while on stream and moving arround with portal

and the farm was working well and killing the mobs

[trim kestrel]

I think so. (Within 200 tiles of player.)

I suppose, strictly speaking, I've not ruled out a second longer range cap on mobs of the same type/biome, say, up to 100 tiles away. Because the bottles up mobs are all collected at one end of 200 tile long segments.

But it definitely shows that there's no cap over 200 wide. And no cap that was greatly limiting the output of this farm.

[trim kestrel]

I didn't try using the portal, to be fair. Maybe that would have crashed me I can check later, if you'd like?

[solemn saffron]

np i did't alot to know it will crash me on stream xD

but i need to get it 2 or 3 time

[trim kestrel]

I've re-written that paragraph for clarity, and modified the one below to fit with it. 👍

[ripe lily]

Wait what

[trim kestrel]

I guess not, eh?

[ripe lily]

No I haven't been playing the game as much lately and have only been messing around with the massive auto sorter

Still don't think a 1 second clock is the best option tho, it would be off half the time

But I wonder if a 2 tick clock works instead of the 4 tick one

Also I really should put links to these guides in the pinned message, do you have a list of good technical core keeper links

[trim kestrel]

Hmm, I mean, my information's still kinda being distilled, in here... I should have tagged all my spawn-rate testing posts, to easily find them... But I've been screenshotting, instead. Ready to make a guide, I guess.

So, I'd just link all my steam guides... https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197971318812/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1621690

... And Craigin's maptool and KanSer's pixel art pallet..?

[inland compass]

@trim kestrel So to dig up the copper boulder in clay caverns
i have quite a few

[trim kestrel]

That highlighted map may as well be a star field, for all the context it gives... But fine, i'll update the guide to just straight up say "y". As the third person to point this out.

Are the clay caves really a good place to go to find copper, though? I guess they weren't that great for me for tin, when I first played... 🤷

[solemn saffron]

someting funny

[trim kestrel]

Heh, cool. I was meaning to play around with this (but forgot), after seeing @gusty epoch (?) post about regrowing the decorative root over the core, using coral, too.

This would actually be a helpful trick to illustrate root grow mechanics. How a root vine can be shared and which stump is growing the extra wood each time. 🙂

[primal rapids]

that's probably going to get fixed

[trim kestrel]

Does it lend any advantage? It just looks dumb, right? I think it's kinda fun, and not 100% unrealistic, given that one can (irl) splice cuttings into different trees.

But yeah, quite possibly removed in a month or two. Assuming devs don't continue to leave all the non crital bugs, in favour of working on the next content.🤷

[long dagger]

I was thinking about it but never thought it'd work

It looks nice

I wonder if it'll affect rates

[trim kestrel]

Question: has anyone seen sea cavelings spawn on just Forlorn Metropolis ground tiles, without any Urban Moss?

I'm wondering if it has a very low background rate, like stone in ruins and grass in wilderness.

[gusty epoch]

I haven’t had any spawn without moss

I thought I did but there was some moss hiding under one of the 2x2 tiles

[inland compass]

I think they just spawn with the initial prefab, then respawn on moss

[solemn saffron]

no spawn on that tile, i have a base in the city so i can tell. go take a look i cleared all the moss in the save i gave you.

[trim kestrel]

Right. Good, good. Thanks all. 😅

[trim kestrel]

I've taken a stab at pulling my spawn-rate testing data together into one graphic.

Grateful if anyone can shed light on "?" stuff, give insights on boss aliances vs mobs, or spot any mistakes.

I may do some basic fungal soil testing later. And I've got a couple other infographics in mind too:
(1) Biome map (to highlight neutral zones, particularly).
(2) Per mob stats - drops (just icons, grouped into >30%, >2%, <2%), health, dps(?), killable by spike traps?

And which additional mob-biome combination(s) are people most eager to see measured?

[inland compass]

so auto farming seems to function, wonder if we need to make a guide for it

leaves fishing as the only skill you can't afk farm with only weighing keys down

[trim kestrel]

• without = with only

Yeah. I'd love to make a video covering both minecart loop AFK mining and gardening skill farming. But... 😵‍💫 😮‍💨

Got any thoughts on my info-graphic, above?

[inland compass]

lol yeah i was going to say without advanced macros

is that the self lighting tile?

in the graphic

[trim kestrel]

lit floor, yeah. (I'll have the work the name in somewhere for that to be clearer.) ((And I didn't test with fungal soil or grass blocks or sand yet, but assume it will block.))

[inland compass]

small larva are passive vs cavelings as well

enjoyable to watch them get slaughters as they wander about

might want to mention brutes can hit at range, i think 3 tiles away

so if you have a pit surrounding, they will attack across the pit

and one test I've been thinking about but have never done, i should try it really quick

i wonder if sea tentacles can "spawn" anywhere in the sea biome (sand and water) and the spawner just places them at the closest point to water

[trim kestrel]

I think it's within 2 tiles... 🤔

[inland compass]

yeah need a 2 tile gap

O X X

computer programmer, 3 tiles 😄

0, 1, 2

[trim kestrel]

Blocking the shore tiles, with bridges, seems to greatly slow the sea tentacle spawn rate, though. So not an entirely simple algorithm.

[inland compass]

yeah because those are water tiles

but are blocked 🙂

[trim kestrel]

So, you mean, can their spawn event land on sand and slide to the coast...? That's kind of what @long dagger was testing very early on in 0.4. Above, somewhere.

Because I thought it might look like that.

[inland compass]

yup

so i'm thinking making 3 islands

1 of normal sand, 10x10 with a 1 gap of water around it and bridges blocking the rest of water

1 of beach sand, 10x10 with a 1 gap of water around it and bridges blocking the rest of the water

1 of beach sand -- hoed, 10x10 with a 1 gap water around it and bridges blocking the rest of the water

that way the only spawns in the water should be the ones that hit land and slide to water, or naturally occur in the 1 water buffer around the island

and i guess i should have a control of 1 island beach sand with nothing surrounding it

[inland compass]

also included one open square of water

so if the theory is correct, 1 & 5 should have the same amount of tentacles around it, 4 should have the same number distributed within the square

2 and 3 should have a lower amount (3 is the hoed ground)

[trim kestrel]

I think your numbers will be too low to draw any firm conclusions, unless you repeat it hourly for like, 10 hours (clearing tentacles to avoid spawn blocking effects).

[inland compass]

expect what, 2-3 an hour?

[trim kestrel]

In a 10x10? Probably less. 1 maybe.

[trim kestrel]

I was thinking of making a series of adjacent square loops of sand around sea water, to get a feel for the tentacle rate and variability.

But a ring (or few) sitting alone in the ocean could tell you something, depending on how many spawn on the inside vs outside coast.

If thr reach of spawn repositioning is, like, 5 tiles or more then you'd expect to see way more on the outside of the loop.

I don't know if bridges will let tentacle spawn moves travel through their tile and doubt that events landing on bridges could turn into tentacles at all.

[long dagger]

was digging out on the right side and had a party of a caveling and shaman spawn over to the left and ran across the bridge directly towards me, doesnt look like they need to directly spawn on stone/moss

[trim kestrel]

Oh, that's interesting. I did wonder. Although I'm a bit surprised I've not had a clear case of that happening to me, given all my spawn rate tests, killing stone moss cavelings...

I'm wondering if you need to be on a a valid caveling spawn surface, though? Or in the ruins biome...

And are you sure there's no long paths they could have come from? Including spawning on the stone, following your path across the bridge, doing a loop and coming back over? (Can they loop through the same tile?)

[long dagger]

they have no other path

i was more at the center of the map on this pic but i was offline and cleared some more before sharing what happened

i saw them run atleast 3 4ths of the bridge and i even made some distance between me and the shaman to confirm it was a raid spawn

[trim kestrel]

Cool. 👍

[trim kestrel]

Oh, does this mean that you managed to run a farming minecart loop for hours without a crash? (But mining skill still causes crashes?)

[inland compass]

i would assume on my world it would still crash

after about a half hour of farming i went down to build the islands and it crashed my game

i would hope since the plants get destroyed that we wouldn't see the same buildup to crash as with the walls

[trim kestrel]

Right. So it might be more about the movement causing loading/unloading, or something. Rather than the mining action on blocks.

[floral tendon]

i'm fairly sure floor tiles will block biome spawns

i have several rooms in the wilderness that are tiled up and i've never had a caveling spawn in them

[trim kestrel]

Is the rule that if a tile appears on top of a spawn surface, then it blocks it?

[floral tendon]

that's what i've been working with and it's held true so far

not applicable for spawn items though

only for biome spawns

oh you mean the visual layering?

hmm that's probably true

[trim kestrel]

I mean, wilderness grass has the lowest spawn rate. Small rooms might not be expected to spawn a single mob in many hours. (But I suspect you're right.)

[floral tendon]

the same mechanic works for mold ground, so

[trim kestrel]

Well, except for conveyors and spike traps and the new 2x2 and 3x3 decorative plates from the sea dungeons.

They, btw, do block NPC from having a free tiles to move into a house on. I accidentally found out yesterday!

[floral tendon]

lol

[floral tendon]

pain. makes it hard to explain simply lol

what layer are spikes in

i think acid slime blocks spawns too

[trim kestrel]

Spawns what...? Oh, whatever's underneath? Really? Thanks I'll have to test and add that, either way.

[floral tendon]

yeah, it stopped my fungal soil from producing anything, at least

[trim kestrel]

Makes sense. If you had spawning slime on top, that would take precedence, right?

[floral tendon]

probably

as for mushrooms blocking shroomen, i didn't test at scale but a small plot seemed to suggest so

removed the tiles except for the ones under mushrooms and didn't get any more shroomen spawns

[trim kestrel]

I just did that too, and yeah, no little doods. 😢

They hate larva, which is funny to watch them valiantly try to take on a single little grub and have it just casually ignore them, heh.

[floral tendon]

lol

i've been using the big larva to clear the mushrooms

since they attack basically everything and will actually aggro the mushrooms

[trim kestrel]

👀 The 🍄 must ☠️ ! Lol

That's a handy tip then, actually, thanks.

[floral tendon]

just don't try to use turf ground as walls 💀

cursed things will eat them too for no reason

[trim kestrel]

I wanted to try making a mob-vs-mob arena with automatic doors, but the damn larva nom them too, last time I checked.

[floral tendon]

hmm i haven't observed that, though i wouldn't be surprised if it was true

they ignore normal doors at least

[trim kestrel]

Oh right. Maybe worth a more careful test... As there's a lot of scope for collateral damage.

[floral tendon]

yeah if they were fighting nearby they'll hit open doors

but not closed doors, interestingly enough

[trim kestrel]

Corrected clay copper (and added some biome colour formatting 🌈 ).

[trim kestrel]

Did you have a go at this yet? Any findings? Here's my first attempt:

Tentacle spawn rate does seem either very low or more heavily limited than any other mob type. Basically, each 10x10 area had on average 1 tentacle in, after 3.5 hours.

And my first guestimate at the range for which it will move a spawn event to a coast is surprisingly low: 4 tiles (from the ratio of inside/outside spawns on the isolated loops). Less from inside/ouside the 2x4 grid of squares:

[inland compass]

I had almost no spawns in the 3 hours i tested

More crab spawns on the islands than tentacles in the water lol

[trim kestrel]

Yeah. Expected. 😜

Oh, I forgot to divide by the number of isolated loops... That's better, now the spawn rates between the two setups match closer (at about 0.3 tentacles per hour per 100 tiles):

So tentacles may spawn about the same rate as background levels of wilderness cavelings on grass. Very slow. But then, there's a lot of open ocean tiles, so gotta keep it under control i guess...

I wonder if it's worth testing to check that they don't spawn beyond 200 tiles. Probably not.

[inland compass]

anecdotal evidence points to the 200 tile spawn radius

My mob farm is in the sea biome. So after afking for days there, i attempted to sail out to find the bow

Big mistake lol. Typically 3-4 tentacles on screen at all times, on hard mode, was not fun

[trim kestrel]

Oh, btw, I accidentally used clay for the boxes and that didn't seem to put off the tentacles, but did block the crabs.

Lit floor also blocked the crabs.

[gusty epoch]

Strange, I had crabs spawning in my mining area that was lit but surrounded by coral wall. Stopped em with flooring

[inland compass]

i believe he means the lit floor tile

[long dagger]

So the tentacles can still spawn on land but they get moved over to a water tile nearby? Would walls block off their spawns? What if there was a 20x20 platform and only had walls for the outer ring by the water, I wonder if it'd affect the rates

[trim kestrel]

This "lit floor" specifically:

[gusty epoch]

oh yea that makes sense, I just misread lol

[trim kestrel]

I don't know that their spawn event can slide off land, yet. It's Craig's hypothesis. But it would be very time consuming to get a good handle on, statistically speaking.

I've set up one of my boxes to look for this, with a couple holes in the middle. But it's similar to what you first looked at.

They can definitely be blocked from spawning on coasts by bridges, which I think just waste the spawn event.

.
I'm thinking that the tentacle spawns might only look in cardinal directions (right angles) for coast. Had a couple spawn just off of corners, within what I suspect their max glom-range is.

Great... These new 2x2 tiles block infected spawns (and Merchants) but presumably/reportedly not urban moss cavelings:

And my big problem is that my overall spawn-rates appear to be falling off gradually over time (many days). Not related to mob accumulation (which I had some of, causing lag, and then removed). 😕

Bold red rates of blue slime in sea biome. They are a very reliable spawner. With one at a time like clockwork and exact agreement between different chambers measured simultaneously:

[long dagger]

I've been thinking, r raiding parties truly a seperate spawn or does it just affect already spawned mobs?

Would explain y parties vary in size often

[trim kestrel]

Pretty sure they're separately spawned, or at least newly spawned. As as you were saying, they seem to spawn on impossible surfaces sometimes.

[long dagger]

i dont think i clarified about it, i saw them run 3 4ths of the bridge but i didnt c them spawn. i also had some cavelings in the dirt biome

[trim kestrel]

So which is it? Do you think they spawned not on stone?

[long dagger]

'

im not sure, just guessing here

[trim kestrel]

Ok.

What do we think, do the mold vien ground coverings block spawns? [No.] Or is laying [wood] floor worthwhile? Does that even block spawns...? [I think so...]

I guess I should check all these things. And I kinda am; I realised there were the best part of 4 mold dungeons in spawn range of my rate testing site, so have spent the last couple hours clearing them out! Burned through 3.5 reinforced Scholar's staffs, so far. So best part of 2k mobs. Gonna test, fairly sensitively, if that was throttling my spawn rates... 🤔

[floral tendon]

i have strong suspicions that they grab nearby mobs and teleport them. i remember people saying something like that before, and i had scholars disappear off of an isolated platform

[proper bear]

Mold veins on wood floor look neat.

[lilac gale]

The flooring also appears to remove the fog effect

Or it doesn't, I can't tell.

[gusty epoch]

I don't think it does, but yea it's hard to see

[gusty epoch]

#🎮-game-discussion message 🤔

[inland compass]

not 100% reproducible for me

[lilac gale]

I'm pretty sure the game is just registering a second hit before the animation occurs

And the "second hit" is just the third

I also don't think it's reliability faster either, like craig said it's rather inconsistent

[inland compass]

can you still daggermine?

[gusty epoch]

Right on

Figured y’all would like to know lol

[trim kestrel]

It just makes it much harder to see, as it's a very similar shade and brightness as the clouds.

But the floors are shutting out the spawns. So I really like this as an alternative to two punching each mold vein (fiddly) before hoeing it (or digging it).

[inland compass]

And gives a use for wood

Aside from bridges

[floral tendon]

it's a good effect for a bath house or a sauna 🙃

[trim kestrel]

Wow. Dynobot just ate my post for no reason... ggs indeed. 😶

.
What do we think of this new biome map graphic? @inland compass. Anyone not realise the borders are defined geometrically like this? 🙂

[inland compass]

Looks good

[halcyon shell]

210 tiles around the user mobs spawn?

we got that confirmed now?

[trim kestrel]

I'm attempting to make a more precise measure of that distance right now. But it's with 10 tiles of that, yeah. 🙂

The thing is, there's a different, slightly further distance for unloading things from the world, vs loading, in other cases. So it may be a question of which is more useful to state. I'd probably go for an approximate distance between the two.

Oh, I'd better label it to show that the biomes can be at different angles, for the noobs. 😅

[halcyon shell]

probably lol

had someone on vc once ask about the map tool showing the full ring around the core but i told them its only there to show the area in that specific biome because the map is different for every world XD

[floral tendon]

idk i have my doubts about that number but there are a lot of factors that make it hard to tell

my mob rooms are at the edge of the clay biome, but after spending about an hour on the exact opposite side in the stone biome fixing a mold water leak i went back to find a roomful of cavelings

it was definitely some nonsense with the catchup or retroactive spawns or whatever

because somehow the game decided that the shamans should have overwhelmed the tentacles during that period of time even though in normal circumstances there's no way that should happen

i don't know what conclusion to draw here but I'd wager it's more complex than just a 200 tile distance

[halcyon shell]

did u have a drill or something nearby? I wonder if drills also have a 210 radius around them maybe?

because I know before the sunken sea, drills werent working as they should when far away from the player, but now they do

perhaps they made drills chunkload?

[trim kestrel]

Well (a) world loading/unloading doesn't use the chunks shown in map tool.

(b) Drills just always exist, in some form, however far away. I don't know what magic the devs did for this, but it seemed like an overhaul on the backend, from all the new bugs and new function...

[halcyon shell]

Im guessing probably B

imo

it seems more likely they edited something that makes them chunkload without actually chunkload

[trim kestrel]

... I'm assuming you used conveyors to gather the cavelings to a mold kill room?

Mobs act like items, on conveyors, once you're beyond 200ish tiles from them. No ai and no hit boxes.

So any that already existed, when you go out of range, all just get stacked at the end of the conveyor. Then they explode out from there when you return. I've watched this several times and now build my setups to avoid this being a problem.

[trim kestrel]

Lol! That was an either/or. Both a and b are true. Pretty sure.

[halcyon shell]

XD

I still choose B

c:

[uncut remnant]

how

[floral tendon]

i get that but my farm ain't that big, there aren't more than 3-4 on the belt at a time

[inland compass]

how what, and what geometric?

[floral tendon]

there definitely isn't enough time to naturally spawn several dozen before getting well out of range

for context you can see where the rooms are in the top left, and i was hanging out in that big stone/sand blob in the bottom right by the wilderness border

one way or another they must have been "spawned" after i left. whether it was in realtime and then "deactivated" or in a big wave later i can't say, but it definitely was an hour's worth of spawns that weren't there when i left

as a side note it was only the stone biome cavelings that this happened with, because i have them fed into a trap loop instead of emptying out with the other mobs

and only one of those rectangle rooms spawns them, so...

[halcyon shell]

Point ivalid, didnt mine out everything till ghorm track

jk lol

[trim kestrel]

Ok, I'm interested. 🙂

Care to share any close up shots of the spawn room, this "loop", and kill area(s)?

If the stone cavelings did spawn, the other type next to them didn't...? Or, how would they have been killed?

[trim kestrel]

I assume you mean the map. Craigin's explained a bit on his (massively popular!) Reddit post, yesterday 🙂:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CoreKeeperGame/comments/w1p3yr/fully_revealed_map/iglo9sl

[inland compass]

soo many fake internet points

not as many as when the new valheim patch came out and i beat the last boss using about 100 Lox

[floral tendon]

this is the path that's relevant to the stone cavelings

the loop is to keep them from interacting with enemy units because l0l brutes

[trail badger]

that full map is still so beautiful to look at

[floral tendon]

the other rooms still spawned stuff but they don't seem to really be an issue

probably because they merge with some of the mold cavelings and the game resolves it so that the mold cavelings stack up on the belt instead and those get cleaned up later on

everything leads into a big loop in the last room that's half mold pit and half scholar platform

the stone cavelings have been a bit of a thorn in my side for a while, but this time was especially notable because i didn't expect to come back to any spawns since the 215 tile range has been floating around lately

but consistently when i'm really far away, like 2000 tiles into the wilderness, there are no spawns when i come back. i'm sure there is a hard limit to spawns, but i'm not confident it's 200, or at least not cleanly

[inland compass]

did you teleport to the south area?

[floral tendon]

uhhh i teleported from here

to the core

then i walked (railroaded) to the border

east

and stayed there

[inland compass]

ok just wondering if perhaps it kept the last X spawn points loaded

and if you teleported they'd still be there

[trim kestrel]

Oh, lol. I was just about to ask you if you had been in this area before you went far away...:

Apparently yes, then, heh.

[floral tendon]

how would that factor in

[trim kestrel]

So, both mobs and items can go invisible when the conveyor they are on takes them out of range. And they don't necessarily become visible again, until, something. Like with this item bug:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/977128133142659102/987449152331972639/2022-06-17_-_0.4.1-17e0_-_Invisible_uncollectable_ore_from_250_tile_long_conveyor.gif

My guess is that you managed to build up a load of invisible cavelings on the loop. Or just, I'm not even sure they'd need to have glitched like that, to accumulate without being killed. But I've seen mobs suddenly re-appeared in front of me, on the middle of a conveyor, after teleporting a distance.

[floral tendon]

mm

question really is how, cause like

to begin with i didn't stay very long there, just walked to the portal and teleported away

and even if teleporting kept the nearby spawn area active, i walked across the entire stone biome

[trim kestrel]

What about before that, though?

[floral tendon]

before what

[trim kestrel]

Were you AFK'd at the farm?

[floral tendon]

ummm

i don't recall, but if i was, i checked the rooms before leaving

i like to watch so i don't usually leave right away if i see mobs on the belt lol

mobs actually don't really get to accumulate if i do afk next to the room

if the combat resolves correctly, there are (were... 😢) enough tentacles to kill anything that spawns well before any more get the chance to

but often combat does not resolve correctly 😂

[trim kestrel]

Hmm. So, I'm not 100% what the conditions are for mobs becoming visible, after getting glitched by the conveyor thing. So, like maybe the could have been a load on there for any previous time, hanging out in the red circled section. That didn't re-materialise even when you were watching.

Other than that, there might be new stuff going on, that I don't fully appreciate. 🤷 Where was your respawn bed, in all of this?

[floral tendon]

uh

i have no clue

i have many beds, i don't know which one i touched last LOL

there are some beds nearby but i don't usually afk in one

there are some here

and one here

damn that's blurry, screenshot of a screenshot of a screenshot of a screenshot lol

[trim kestrel]

Because my thinking is. That if there's anywhere else in the world that the game might keep fully loaded in, without you, then maybe that might be your respawn point(s).

But I greatly doubt this. It would be problematic and actually contradicts other things I've observed in the past. Like bolder and root growth catchup, that I observed by teleporting back to a bed, in 0.3.13. So, sorry, forget this. Probably conveyor stuff. TM.

[floral tendon]

LOL

yeah, Probably Conveyor Stuff should be a t-shirt

[trim kestrel]

So, I think I have a read on spawn range to within 2 tiles. At 205 to 206 tiles from player. 🙂

[trail badger]

hmm.. i wonder where this scenes water generation ends 😄

[trim kestrel]

Oh, heh. So you caught a scene with water flooding the adjacent void chasm. By exploring a new world quickly. 🙂

Which scene is this, specifically? (Got a quick map shot?)

.
And, btw, yesterday, I retested my spawn rates after clearing out those ~2k infected and boarding up the mold dungeons (plus checking on surrounding ocean) and it gave no increase to my spawn rates across any of the mob types tested.

So, not only is there no mob cap, there's no (all mob) spawn-rate throttling. Based on total number of mobs within ~200 tiles.

[trail badger]

water isnt even flowing yet, its still stuck

[trim kestrel]

Oh! Lol. Huh. I wonder if this is a rare bug? (And why it happens.) Did it start flowing after game restart?

[trail badger]

havent restarted yet :D, guess i could go test

yeah, leaving and returning starts it flowing again

[long dagger]

I don't think it's rare, just gotta reproduce it correctly, happened to me within mere minutes of making a new world in 0.4

Considering spawning mechanics, I won't be testing my current mob farm, just gonna remove it and make a new one once I finish clearing out the rest of the stuff

[halcyon shell]

Someone asked me for a map download like a week ago but idk who but if whoever it was sees this pm me I guess?

[trim kestrel]

Me. ✋ Looking for a world fully excavated right out to the ghorm ring. For spawn testing. 🙂

[halcyon shell]

Kk ill pm u the .rar later I got a vpn running on my pc installing something that needs it on

[trim kestrel]

You're going to remove your entire mega-farm...?! 😮

[long dagger]

Ur surprised by that? 🤧

You've yet to c what I was doing

still removing some left over water rn but heres what i finished so far

[trim kestrel]

Hah! Well, someone's got a couple stacks of stone ground...! 😅

No wonder the cavelings hate you!

[long dagger]

... a couple

Would've had like 5 full double chests by now

Traded off atleast 2 rows to mainly 1 person

[trim kestrel]

I've been working on this (draft) supplementary info for a (comprehensive) mob farming guide. There's a few interesting details:

(1) Mold ground appears to slow mobs (through conveyors). Tested on merchant. Maybe useful to stop some mobs running against the conveyor.

(2) Acid burns mobs (not player) through conveyors. (I already knew this, but it's a distinction probably most

(3) Horizontal fences let player walk through a tile without taking the debufs from (e.g. poison) tile underneath. Bit odd, not sure it's that useful.

(4) The 2x2 "Stone tile" often found in the sea dungeons with Urban Moss underneath, actually block the urban moss spawns. (At least, when placed by me in the neutral biome.)

I've not tested if every floor type blocks spawns. Or even the electrical or caveling floor tiles layers at all. So let me know if you find a contradiction to any of this! 🙂

Also, do we think a graphic like this would be helpful?

I've not really embarked on testing which mobs can be killed (effectively) by which trap combos [so the yes/nos are mostly guesses]. Range measurements will be a nuisance. And adding all the drops for each mobs a lot of work. Is that useful to have them all?

[long dagger]

Make drops seperate, prob even leave it for last or let someone else work that part if u wanna save time

Agro range and reach would be nice to know, as for dmg not rly since it doesn't affect how they dmg structures

Knowing if they can die to certain spikes (+poisoning) is nice but did u test it with a single spike? I don't think some can get killed like the brute if it's a single spike dealing the dmg

If it can then it prob takes long

Hmmm... since u put blue slime as no despite their agro that can lead it to killing itself quicker from other spikes I'm guessing u prob did use 1 spike

[trim kestrel]

Sorry, that yes/no spikes I just guessed quickly. Not started on testing that yet.

But you have a point, that static and/or singular spikes are far less effective than multiple while moving. It's a sizeable matrix of things to test...

The damage stat is more for mob-vs-mob farm design. To give an idea of how many might be needed to effectively eliminate an enemy mob (quickly).

I may need rate of fire for that, too. 🤔

[trim kestrel]

I tweaked this graphic, to show the 205 tile mob spawn radius...

Having checked today and found that there doesn't appear to be a second, longer range for for 'unloading' of spawn range. Like, if that were to actually reflect the ground tiles being unloaded, or something. There's no hysteresis with this, apparently.

[long dagger]

my mob farm had a bit of a leak under it too so thats fun

i dont wanna say when i may be done with it all cause as usual i may take longer than expected to finish

[trim kestrel]

Hofstadter's Law: It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law.

[trim kestrel]

Bye-bye mega-farm 1.0... 🥲

I've been doing a fair bit of that gif myself. But in 10x10 boxes accumulating all over my map, heh.

[trim kestrel]

Oh, @inland compass & @lilac gale, as we were talking about this the other day - I filled in the exploration of my sunken sea, yesterday. Around where I first went in (red arrows). And found most/all (?) of the unique scenes.

So, I'd just been unlucky, I guess, to have bumped into none while making a bee line to both bosses and 2 sea dungeons. They absolutely can spawn within that 1100 to 1750 range. 🙂

[lilac gale]

Yea I figured they could, they just appear to have a low likelihood from what I noticed.

[inland compass]

yeah remember i teleported out to 2000,2000 and they all spawned around me.

then the guy in the mod channel said they didn't have a min/max range in the datatables

[lilac gale]

They probably just have a high weight to spawn on the first few chunks generated in the biome

Just my thought though, I have zero clue how to check data block info to confirm that lol

[inland compass]

yeah i assume they have like a 25%-50% chance to spawn

[long dagger]

Showed the gif for the slime spawning close to me, luckily I found out I can use the Xbox feature of recording the last 30 seconds without setting up a recording software to catch things like that

So I don't have to worry about storage for recording minor things

[lilac gale]

If you have GeForce you could also use their Shadowplay feature to record things

It's pretty simple to both use and set up

[long dagger]

I wasn't aware of the shadow play feature, I have been using that app for regular recordings tho

[halcyon shell]

the slime didnt wanna go so it spawned in just for u

[lilac gale]

It's their instant replay system, it just records a set amount of time that you designate in the past after you hit a set of buttons

I use it to record my minute long clips of things that happen

[trim kestrel]

Can you crop those in-app too?

I use it with manual recording control, for my YT videos and everything (easy but probably not very professional, heh).

[trim kestrel]

Yeah. My main point, really, was that I was wrong to think/say there might be an exclusion zone.

But the fact I didn't initially boat straight into any, makes me wonder if they preferentially spawn to the side (in effect). Or that's just luck, still.

[trim kestrel]

Oh, heh. I didn't even pick that up! 😶😵‍💫 What was that, 3 tiles away from you?

[inland compass]

Luck

I had the turtle spawn my first chunk right in front of me.

[long dagger]

🤷‍♂️

I can take a closer look at it frame by frame and send a pic of pre spawn and the moment of it spawning

Once I get back

[lilac gale]

I don't believe so, I have always just opened the .mp4 and snipped it that way

[trim kestrel]

What'd you use to edit? 🙂

[lilac gale]

The default Movies & TV lol

I just trim and ship

[long dagger]

i go thru a long process to edit mine to fit the 8 mb size when sharing elsewhere

record, edit with video editor from windows to a slightly smaller size, upload it to my acc on 4share, download it on my phone, edit it on another app to trim it further then i share it

recorded the video with a gif recorder set to 60 fps, deleted duplicate frames since the game fps is lower and heres 3 frames, 2 pre spawn and one of the spawn

Would that be considered 4 tiles away since my character is on the edge of the top and bottom bridge tiles?

[halcyon shell]

dont think so

Imo i think its like the exact same as when I plant seeds

u can normally only plant what? 2 blocks away?

something like that and its very slow

actually i think its 1 block around the player?

but regardless, if u stand in the middle of 2 blocks going through a row or column, u can actually place 4 seeds in a row/column

found that and have been planting like that since Lmao

[trim kestrel]

I'd say 3 tiles away. Counting whole tiles distance from the centres of player and slime, then rounding up.

[halcyon shell]

Just gonna assume it works the same as when i plant 🤷‍♀️ U can also do the same while digging and shoveling floor

[trim kestrel]

Oh, that's a thing that exists and can do that, huh...? 😅

I used to use Windows Movie Maker, a decade or so back. That was actually pretty powerful, but got removed. 😢

[halcyon shell]

It most likely has something to do with block edges and the distance idek too much thinking for me LMAO

[trim kestrel]

Yikes, that's quite a pipeline... I feel a bit awkward with:

(1) Record with GeForce Experience (formerly 'Shadow Play').
(2) Open in VLC player and resize window to reduce dimensions.
(3) Grab section off that with ScreenToGif (has built in cropping, frame removal and transition speed tweaking).
(4) If it's over 2MB, upload to https://ezgif.com/optimize to half file size with compression.
(5) Post in Discord/Reddit/Steam or upload to Imgur for sharing a URL.

[long dagger]

I use screentogif too, just didn't consider using that as an option for lowering file size

[trim kestrel]

I did wonder, from your frame time-line. 🙂