Update (formerly P-51H, level 3)

[mortal token]

Thanks squil

Did this to a geofs F-22 once

[steel heron]

What all skins are there?, grey and black?

Theres a grey camo

With the missiles its an absolute killing machine

[young dagger]

awesomeness

[young dagger]

just wait for mirage with 2 magics

[halcyon phoenix]

omg that's so cool

can't wait

[halcyon phoenix]

and I'm away from my computer too when update comes out

[olive hemlock]

probably not going to come out tonight..

I still need to prepare Owl's F104 Starfighter

[mortal token]

wow

I hope we get bigger payloads with guided bombs in future updates. I might contribute.

[steel heron]

This is next level

[mortal token]

real

[olive hemlock]

bot using (currently unreliable) flares

[steel heron]

After the Starfighter is out, the update will be placed immediately right?

[steel heron]

Will the flares be actually effective?

[olive hemlock]

yes, the bigger problem is you don't get much warning to use them

i might have to add a radar lock warning before the enemy even fires their missile

[olive hemlock]

after F104 Starfighter, either a BETA or more testing and then release

[steel heron]

Now specifications for the F-104 Starfighter please

[mortal token]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-gif-10940865116650073754

[wheat laurel]

radar warning receivers work against radar missiles, but these heat seeking ones don’t leave a warning irl. but for balance it may be necessary, unless you make the missiles more visible. in war thunder for example, missiles have a red indicator on them so that people can easily see them coming towards them.

like perhaps a red triangle or box around the missile that say MSL or something so that people can spot them once they’re fired.

[tawny steeple]

^ yeah like red upside down triangle abve them

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock will the f86 level be the first level to carry flares?

[wheat laurel]

the f86 and j5 didn’t have flares irl

[young dagger]

really? I know they carried missiles at the end of their era

[wheat laurel]

the level with j7 and up had flares though

[wheat laurel]

i can’t find anything about them carrying flares. i also think that it was the f86-k or d with missiles

that one looks different from the one in game

[young dagger]

I see

[wheat laurel]

the sabre dog i think it was called

it had the funny looking nose

[young dagger]

P-86 Sabertang

[young dagger]

@wheat laurel can rear aspect missiles track prop planes in a headon? Probably not good for balance anyway but like for b17s for instance

[wheat laurel]

not the ones being added afaik

only newer ones like maybe Magic 2 and Aim-9L or Aim-9M

the older missiles aren’t sensitive enough to properly track the relatively small heat signature from props.

[wheat laurel]

i think that planes should have their real world flare capacity, and each time you click the countermeasure release button 2-4 get launched. once you run out of flares the reload should be moderately long. maybe like 1-3 minutes

[mortal token]

Yeah, I concur

[olive hemlock]

not to manipulate the vote, but B is the wrong answer for making the game playable

is there some compromise, like missiles being a little less sticky for those planes?

[wheat laurel]

the AIM-9b and PL-2 are really bad tbh

like irl even a simple 4-6G maneuver was generally enough to shake them

[halcyon phoenix]

Maybe like its low chance that missiles hit vampire/me262 (like 30%) and for J5/sabre smthing 60% change?

but still a change to hit

[olive hemlock]

so...Mirage and its R.550 Magic 2's gets total free reign over 4 other planes?

[wheat laurel]

Magic 1 and AIM-9J would require a bit more though

[wheat laurel]

give it Magic 1 since Magic 2 is OP

also let the sun act as a flare if there is a sun (can’t remember)

[olive hemlock]

good idea

[olive hemlock]

another idea: instead of RNG, just make it so missiles have to be almost exactly behind those planes, making it skill based.

[tawny steeple]

But maneuvering missiles , you cant see all sides always , someone cld hit you from sides or back ..

Sun = Flare ? so flare everywhere so no use of missiles unless its night ?

[olive hemlock]

should pre-flaring break an aircraft's lock for a few seconds?

I want to give players some benefit for pressing flares when they see the "radar" warning, before a missile has been fired

[tawny steeple]

@olive hemlock is it possible if u add a mechanism where if your plane has been locked by an enemy player , your screen corners get red shaded to show missile is incomming , if possible a curly braket like thingy showing the direction from where the threat is coming

[umbral dawn]

will over-g'ing a missile be implement?

[tawny steeple]

can we intercept missiles with gun ?

and also flares will be useless when ur flying low close to water right?

[umbral dawn]

wouldnt it also depend on where the flare launcher are placed since if they fire up wouldnt it make the ir missile go for the flares

[tawny steeple]

AFAIK planes put flares behind and below or down so ..

[olive hemlock]

terrifying

[umbral dawn]

the mig 21s have them on the sides angle around at 45 degs

but for su27 they are pointed up

[tawny steeple]

yo thts cool , tht quick 🔥

uhm o_O

[olive hemlock]

AAAAAAAAAAAaaa

💀 is right

[tawny steeple]

lol

[umbral dawn]

is it just me or it feel alot of like an r27et or a aim9m, in the way that it turns insanly sharply

[olive hemlock]

which one turned sharply? the enemy missile or my missile?

[umbral dawn]

your missile

[olive hemlock]

ok, I haven't added the max G parameter yet, so maybe that will fix it

[umbral dawn]

that explains it

[mortal token]

Now were talking!!

[wheat laurel]

pre-flaring would work because the missile locks onto the flares instead. also why is there a radar warning if these are IR missiles?

is it for balance?

[olive hemlock]

yeah, balance, and planes might use a radar to aquire targets for IR missiles

[wheat laurel]

they would use radar search, not radar lock though

but i see why for balance. otherwise noobs would complain too much and it might hurt the player base

[wheat laurel]

what about if instead of all those red triangles, you just had the “missile inbound” text and then the red triangle on the missile? this way people would know that a missile is incoming but it wouldn’t immediately display direction (they would have to look around and find the missile triangle)

cause otherwise if you instantly knew launch direction flares would be kinda OP

[young dagger]

100 percent

[young dagger]

it has magic 1s

[wheat laurel]

lol yeah, if we add Magic 2 i think the game is cooked 💀

it has IRCCM too meaning that it’s mostly flare resistant

[umbral dawn]

the magic 2 isnt that flare resistant compared to the aim9m

[wheat laurel]

yeah but still

going against early jets it would smoke everything

they both have IRCCM, but AIM-9M is even more insane lol

[olive hemlock]

thanks, I'll fix that. however, my point still stands if the Magic 1 isn't "really bad tbh"

[umbral dawn]

imagine if the f15 ex gets added

[olive hemlock]

anyway, the solution I found is to make it so planes without flares need an ideal aspect to lock and seek, such that virtually any maneuvering will break the lock

[young dagger]

excellent! And flares will generally launch in pairs but different planes can have different setups

like A10 can launch 4 at a time and the FLR count goes down by 4 every time

[umbral dawn]

also will the aim9b get the off-boresight angle of 25 degrees

[olive hemlock]

I just noticed something really funny can happen..

a missile can miss, wrap around the world, and then hit

[young dagger]

you might want to make sure you cant target teammates but target yourself if it turns around

[wheat laurel]

shouldn't it run out of fuel?

[olive hemlock]

it does but it has inertia

[wheat laurel]

oh the map is that small??!!

[young dagger]

yeah

[wheat laurel]

maybe nerf the range?

like cut the fuel down to 75% of actual values

or make the map bigger

[wheat laurel]

i think a public beta before the update would be good cause it's hard to gauge missile balance without trying them out. no rush though

[tawny steeple]

i wish turnfight gets scifi jets :/

[olive hemlock]

that could be a game mode. same with mk48. not in near future, though.

[umbral dawn]

like which?

[tawny steeple]

oh fine , if mk gets it its fine , not in near futue ? will wait >_< 😉

[umbral dawn]

the image is kinda blurry

[umbral dawn]

but from what i see most of them are real such as the su57, su37 eurofighter, j35 and f35

[tawny steeple]

v

[umbral dawn]

most of these here are real

but i feel like it might be hard to have stats for these planes

[young dagger]

well aim9j and magic 1 could be nerfed slightly

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock makes sure that engine temp slowly cools based on engine power

[young dagger]

i'm really sorry 💀 but due to unpresedented changes in my schedule, I can't make the tutorial for another 2 weeks.
but I think there are youtube videos
sorry guys but I just didn't have time to make an actual design today and my blueprints turned out to be faulty and then I didn't have time left sorry

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock would this work for J-7?

if so I don't know if you need statement since it's an edited version of yours (also if you want the median color stop can be removed)
I don't know how to apply it though

[olive hemlock]

it's a valid texture; that said, I like the blue

[young dagger]

ok sure if you like it then it shall be blue

[young dagger]

what about a blue camo? would you be satisfied or no

[olive hemlock]

ice and snow camo could be cool 🤔

[halcyon phoenix]

That's alr. I can make Gripen maybe like after 4 months 💀

[young dagger]

well I can make tutorial in 2 weeks
or maybe tomorrow

[young dagger]

does a beta site require you to use one of the main servers as a beta test site (like does the main site have to lose a server)
also I'll see about that ice and snow camo

[olive hemlock]

I can make a new BETA server

for the past 3 days, I've been dealing with a weird bug that causes my entire game and browser to freeze with no error message. I'm not sure how to fix it, and the things I've tried so far have not fixed it. I'd like to fix that before releasing the game/BETA.

it only happens ~2x a day so very hard to debug

[young dagger]

huh, is there any kind of pattern as to what happens before freeze?

[olive hemlock]

basically, firing a missile in an upward direction

this is extremely weird

it could be due to numerical instability leading to NaN/Infinity getting to the GPU, which shouldn't freeze it, but maybe it does

I've changed some of the math, but it generally takes hours/days to see the bug so it will take a while to be confident it's gone

[young dagger]

My python bugs are miniscule in comparison but whenever I get stuck with that most annoying type of invisible bug, I do rubber ducky debugging 🦆 (probably doesnt work in this case)
I really don't know what else to say, sorry

maybe you should do squirrel-photo debugging

[young dagger]

also this probably doesn't help much but the one thing I would notice about that is that I'm not sure how your angle system works but the missiles may break certain angle system boundries (going into a negative or something that isn't full-angle-modded)

[olive hemlock]

in theory, even the most pathologically wrong math shouldn't freeze the entire browser tab's GPU process. this is a combination of a game bug and a browser bug.

[young dagger]

oh and also as long as the bug allows you to escape the game normally with esc (not otherwise), a beta mode might not be a bad idea since it would allow more people to help you figure out what is causing the bug

[olive hemlock]

ok, I'll start a BETA. it won't contain Owl's plane yet because I'm not done with it. please give me 4m.

which region do you think the BETA should be in? if you're in Asia, it might help to put it there. likewise with North America.

[young dagger]

I'm in NA but I don't speak for others so maybe a poll would be a good idea tomorrow, when people are active

[olive hemlock]

it's a BETA so doesn't matter much. I'll do N/A

Turnfight BETA

https://1.turnfight.com/

btw, I was in the middle of adding game modes but they don't work. just press Play in the default game mode

⚠️ if your game freezes, I need to know!!

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock sorry I'll check tomorrow in friends mode so i can test missiles

[olive hemlock]

oh np

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock I love the fact that you let the missiles accurately be air-to-air rockets against props like B-17 (haven't been able to get a freeze yet)

[mortal token]

No problems yet. Getting a good frame rate too.

Why am I procrastinating

I got exam

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock ok and one last thing my only idea might be that the bug has to do with missiles going super high by targeting the sun?

[olive hemlock]

that's a good thought but, I doubt it. I think the first crash was before I added sun targeting.

[halcyon phoenix]

gl

[mortal token]

@olive hemlock Can the missile trails be a bit thicker?

[steel heron]

I had some fun with the missiles

Is there an option for locking target or it naturally locks?

[steel heron]

@olive hemlock

[wheat laurel]

woah this sounds awesome! ima try the beta in a couple hours when i get home. can’t wait!

[steel heron]

It is fire

Check it out

[wheat laurel]

wow the ui is so cool

[steel heron]

@young dagger

[steel heron]

?

@young dagger

Did squirrel tell you about this?

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock when there are no missiles to fire, instead of removing the circle, could you just make it broken? So that every other vertex pair is unconnected.
Also, how hard would it be to add a list to change the controls? A yank-and-bank system with mouse and rudder with keys is what I am much more used to from that free ravenfield based game.

[young dagger]

naturally locks i think

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock also you might want to extend the hardpoints so that they are a little longer

on A-10

[wheat laurel]

this beta is so cool

what's the key for flares?

[tawny steeple]

i was wondering the same

i pressed Q and X none worked

[wheat laurel]

some bot killed my with a magic cause i kept pressing my war thunder hotkey XD

[steel heron]

F

[tawny steeple]

got it

[young dagger]

It's F for Flare

🧠

jk lol but i mean it also does make sense

[wheat laurel]

thx

also how do missiles and flares work in terms of levels?

my f-86 got radar warning

[wheat laurel]

j7 is so cool

what's the missile key?

[young dagger]

space

[young dagger]

press X to switch weaons

[young dagger]

J-7 and above have flares

[wheat laurel]

can missiles attack low level jets?

[young dagger]

yes but it's difficult and the jets can easily maneuver to evade

[tawny steeple]

i thgt F was for flying #voxmaxxing

[wheat laurel]

wow this is fun

these magics are noice

and the flares work very well

[young dagger]

How to correctly use Zero:

start by flying at a sub

then do circles around it, until you have captured it!

[wheat laurel]

the game hasn't crashed yet, i can fire missiles upwards without issues.

overall this beta is 🔥

[young dagger]

same, no issues on my end

[steel heron]

I think the Zero is my favourite prop in the game

But my most valued

is

The Vampire

[young dagger]

same

[young dagger]

not a prop

[fluid garden]

Undertaker⚔️

ゼロはこのゲームで一番好きな小道具だと思う

From English ・ Requested by [SSL] sirsnow

[young dagger]

ohhhh

i didn;t mean that

[steel heron]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-laugh-four-gif-7446278225827837893

[steel heron]

Yo

[steel heron]

Youre the guy who made the F1 for Turnfight

How you doin?

[young dagger]

hello

[fluid garden]

Undertaker⚔️

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-laugh-four-gif-7446278225827837893

From Auto ・ Requested by [SSL] sirsnow

[steel heron]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-laugh-four-gif-7446278225827837893

[tribal thicket]

i am?

[steel heron]

isnt it you?

[fluid garden]

Undertaker⚔️

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-laugh-four-gif-7446278225827837893

From Auto ・ Requested by [SSL] sirsnow

[steel heron]

mirageiirz?

[steel heron]

https://tenor.com/view/risada-risada-meme-gif-1808894066457451256

[young dagger]

it is

ok that's enough of that

[tribal thicket]

it is?

[young dagger]

it is.

[steel heron]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-laugh-four-gif-7446278225827837893

[steel heron]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-out-loud-laugh-ridiculous-hilarious-lolz-gif-11471928946508461092

[tribal thicket]

there will always be bigger fish

[mortal token]

yes

[mortal token]

Aircraft Ill try to create after JEE Advanced tomorrow:

1. F-22A Raptor [Immediate, alongside sirsnow's F-35]
2. P-47 Thunderbolt
3. F9F Panther
4. Mig-29K Fulcrum(Indian Variant)

*I just need to figure out how to begin. Idk a thing about modelling 🫠 *

[tribal thicket]

whose f35?

[wheat laurel]

i do plan to model a F-5 Freedom fighter and a Eurofighter Typhoon

maybe some unique ones too like the Sea Vixen or Vautour

[olive hemlock]

yeah, right now, the middle of the missile (not the top) is on the hardpoint. I'll fix this.

[tawny steeple]

eurofighter typhoon , I bless you for doing tht , i want the model too 😉

[young dagger]

CF-5?

[wheat laurel]

yeah

[young dagger]

I can make a basic text guide at some point but not now, sorry

for now just watch a yt tutorial

[tawny steeple]

all the best for your exam tomorrow , its world's 2nd toughest exam right? #offtopic anyways

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock here is what I mean by yank-and-bank
mouse left-right rolls the plane with ailerons
mouse up-down titls the plane with elevator
and A/D turns with rudder
https://canva.link/a9iy7kwv4khvrqx

[olive hemlock]

thanks!

yeah, i've played RF before
problem is it's impossible to aim guns

[young dagger]

what do you mean?
Like if its a skill thing, i mean its an option

I personally am more used to it

[steel heron]

Good luck

[young dagger]

if it’s about rendering, well RF can do it somehow

[olive hemlock]

I guess it's technically skill based, I just never developed the skill

[young dagger]

Would it be hard to add? Because if not, I personally think that plenty of people would like it, plus, it's just an option, not a default. As you see in the video, I was able to shoot down a bomber in the end - just takes some practise
If it is hard to add then I understand fully

[halcyon phoenix]

You can change controls btw

I messed all my controls so when i tried to flare I just changed missile to gun

and died

[young dagger]

my curret setup lets F not only flare but automatically turn into evasive maneuvers

[steel heron]

There was a moment when I fired both my missiles, deployed all my flares, and was shooting my cannon and making an evasive manuver

[halcyon phoenix]

wow

[tawny steeple]

@olive hemlock it would be nice if the weapons were visible in a hot bar down where we can press 1 , 2 and so on to access them and if Flares are available then it should be visible to.

sample reference picture below >

[young dagger]

I think that would be a bit clunky - maybe just words instead of images, though

[tawny steeple]

it cld be made smaller and adjusted elsewhere in the screen to look more game-ish and nice

words would look quite dull / lame in my point of veiw

[young dagger]

in my point of view they are more epic because they are more realistic and less arcade-y

lol

[tawny steeple]

💀

maybe add tht health too

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock sorry to bother you!
I don't know how you would do this, but it would be nice if J-7 and F-104 fired flares in pairs rather than in groups of 4. Also, could the flare count show how many flares are left to fire, rather than how many groups of flares? Like how guns work.
Oh and do you have an ETA on the F-104? No rush ofc

[tawny steeple]

🙂

[young dagger]

bruh why do you want to make this into ace combat

[young dagger]

I don't think Modern Warships is known in a good way for it's aerial combat

[olive hemlock]

please consider making a simple sketch of exactly where the flare dispensers are on each plane

I'm working on the F-104 today

[young dagger]

Hmm, does this make sense? Each dot represents one single flare's spawn position arrow gives rough idea of which way it shoots

[olive hemlock]

do you like the dashes?

[young dagger]

Yeah, that's perfect. Alternitavely the circle could just turn red, but the dashes make sense to me.

though for the J-7 it might be more like

instead of in the tail

fixed

[olive hemlock]

ok, thanks, and what about total flare counts or counts per dispenser?

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock
A-10: 24 flares total, 6 each dispenser
Mirage F1: 15 flares total, 5 each dispenser
J-7: 10 flares total, 5 each dispenser
F-104: 10 flares total, 5 each dispenser (same setup as J-7, two under the wing)

[olive hemlock]

ok thanks!

[harsh lion]

whats the best jet now with the upgrades or what will the best jet be?

[olive hemlock]

😉

[young dagger]

Probably Mirage F1, but A-10 is very mighty too - just not as fast and it's missiles can't pull 35 Gs

[harsh lion]

what level with the F-104 be?

[olive hemlock]

same as J-7

[harsh lion]

what level is that?

[olive hemlock]

6

it's before Mirage/A10 and after J5/F86Sabre

[harsh lion]

ok cool

are the missiles sidewinders or are they Pl-5?

is the update out yet?

[young dagger]

depends on the plane. J-7 has PL-2, F-104 has AIM-9B, A-10 has AIM-9J, and Mirage F1 has R.550 Magic 1

[young dagger]

no but the beta is

https://1.turnfight.com/WRVFKK/

[harsh lion]

ok

ima try it out

[umbral dawn]

that from mw (modern warships)

[young dagger]

yeah ik I was trying to make it less bad

[young dagger]

proof

[umbral dawn]

it might be good to have like a semi transparent rwr

also a display like wt is better than one for mw

[mortal token]

I'd love the flight mechanics to be changed. The aircraft can't even barrel roll. Pressing A/D should override the mouse controls and roll the plane

[olive hemlock]

I'm mostly done optimizing Owl's excellent F104 Starfighter model 🎉

so far, got it from 6768 vertices down to 3408 vertices

next I'll add the data and control surfaces

[wheat laurel]

lol sorry about including so many vertices😅. i just wanted to make sure that it was detailed enough. if you have any tips/advice for future models, i would love to hear it so that my next models can be even better.

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock btw, mobile doesnt let me shoot at all in beta

[harsh lion]

the new update in beta mode is fire

its gonna make getting xp soo much faster and easier

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock oh yeah could you increase the value if each level such that the new lvl 5 requires as much xo as the old (current) lvl 4? Right now it is way too easy to level up

[olive hemlock]

no problem. one way to reduce vertices is to model in cylinders of 20 edges or fewer (best for fuselage/guns/cables/drop tanks) and cubes. another way to reduce vertices is to model in cylinders and then choose which edges aren't worth it and can be removed (best for wings).

[olive hemlock]

I purposefully made the levels cheaper to make the progression easier. that said, because there are new levels, the top level (Mirage/A10) costs even more points than before.

I also gave one bot team a bunch of extra points so that there would be more high level bot aircraft. killing this team tends to award a lot of extra points. this may change.

[tribal thicket]

why should missiles be for air targets only?

[umbral dawn]

imagine if aim174s gets added

[young dagger]

yeah, also they should kill balloons as well

[young dagger]

i see - also maybe I’m leveling up extra fast because of how few fellow humans are playing

@olive hemlock for the 2 team mode, how will captured map vehicles work?

[olive hemlock]

I'm not sure how 2 teams mode will work. it doesn't seem like the entire team should share 1 point value that controls all their upgrade abilities.

first time loading it in

[olive hemlock]

the F-104 has been added to the BETA 🎊

[steel heron]

Yea, I was the second one to use it!!!!🎉

It is 🔥

[steel heron]

The F-104 is black here

Not silver

[steel heron]

Managed to get it on mobile

[young dagger]

awesomeness

also i see in the old chat that squirrel said that « i think the f104 is going to get nerfed 😂 »
Was it obliterating everything else or smth lol, whats the backstory for that post

also how do the aim9bs compare to the pl2s? Gameplay wise

[tawny steeple]

cool plane

but 1 missile 1 plane ded ... maybe 2 missiles to take a plane

[steel heron]

I sniped squilmunk from a far distance and after that he said that

Very accurate guns tbh

[wheat laurel]

wow f-104 is released!!! trying it right now!

[wheat laurel]

overall this is really cool! i love the colours on the starfighter and think the beta is pretty good. the only things i would suggest is to slightly nerf the PL-2 and AIM-9B, and to increase the Starfighter’s turn rate. right now it sort of drifts in turns, burning all its speed but turning really sharply. irl the Starfighter had a much wider, smoother turn radius while maintaining higher speed.

[harsh lion]

is it in regular or beta? @wheat laurel

[steel heron]

One doubt, why isnt the actual speed of the F-104 added?

It can crack Mach 2

But not in Turnfight

[harsh lion]

its can????

oh

[steel heron]

irl

[harsh lion]

i thought u meant in game

[steel heron]

No it cant

[harsh lion]

i wish

[steel heron]

Why is it like that??

[steel heron]

This is the one without textures

[young dagger]

turnfight max speed is cruise speed

so that should be fixed for the 104

[harsh lion]

ok

[steel heron]

But why is the max speed capability not alloted to Turnfight aircraft

[steel heron]

.\

[olive hemlock]

Turnfight uses sea level top speed

[wheat laurel]

cause if the starfighter tried going Mach 2 at sea level, the wings would rip off

[steel heron]

The F-104 Starfighter was designed to handle speeds up to Mach 2 with its unusually small wings, and while the wings were extremely thin and risky at lower speeds, they were structurally sufficient for high-speed flight.

[wheat laurel]

it can only go that fast at like minimum of 30k feet altitude

[steel heron]

Ive got an idea

hey @olive hemlock

[wheat laurel]

no jet can go Mach 2 at sea level

not even the space shuttle goes that fast that low lol

[steel heron]

Increase the height limit to 30000 feet 😂

[harsh lion]

yes

[steel heron]

Hey atleast someone agrees with my stupid suggestion

[harsh lion]

yw

[wheat laurel]

i personally think that the map should get a little bigger, but name tags should appear earlier

[steel heron]

I was joking

[harsh lion]

ik

[steel heron]

we would fight for that then squirrel will think forever

[wheat laurel]

the issue with fast planes like the starfighter and mirage f1 is that by the time you see name tags you’re already too close to engage

a little more free space but high visibility sounds good honestly

[steel heron]

because we are very fast

[steel heron]

Isnt that irl???

[harsh lion]

i pushed the starfighter and went 1,500km/h

[wheat laurel]

well irl there’s tons of space and no markers XD

[young dagger]

in my case by the time i see their names its too late to disengage and oops i killed my ally

[steel heron]

irl a pilot would be like "Bogey, six O clock" and then hed see the bogey miles away

[steel heron]

YES

[harsh lion]

if you keep a steady pace you can get to mach 1 in the starfighter very fast

[steel heron]

Your right

[olive hemlock]

You can use a team to prevent that

[young dagger]

yeah

[steel heron]

Why does it not lock on to sabres and B17s and props??

The missiles

Why only to J-7s, mirages and A-10 and starfighters?

[wheat laurel]

even in war thunder, there’s more space but the markers are visible from much further out. this allows proper fights

[steel heron]

Far fights with missiles and flares

[young dagger]

realism for rear aspect missiles

[steel heron]

Realism

talking about realism

[wheat laurel]

the PL-2 and AIM-9B need to get a slight nerd though

[young dagger]

yes

[steel heron]

There isnt enough realism for some stuff in the game

[wheat laurel]

they’re considerably better than irl

[steel heron]

Overpowered and game style customized got it

[tawny steeple]

have yall noticed tht the starfighter plane takes some weird time and move to recover from a tilt ?

[wheat laurel]

The magic is solid and so is the AIM-9J

[steel heron]

Yes, it drifts

[harsh lion]

the magic is good

[young dagger]

may as well do it if its irl and balanced

[wheat laurel]

yeah i think the main issue with turning in game is that most planes drift too much

they lose tons of speed rather than cutting through the air

[steel heron]

I would wish for voice command warnings but I know squirrel will make up a story which ends with 'no'

[wheat laurel]

i like the current warning system

[steel heron]

Whos gonna give voice warnings?

[harsh lion]

ai

or smthing

[steel heron]

pair that with a voice

[wheat laurel]

i think squirrel did a good job with the warnings

[harsh lion]

yes

[steel heron]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-out-loud-laugh-ridiculous-hilarious-lolz-gif-11471928946508461092

[steel heron]

Amazing job

[wheat laurel]

the missile warning hasn’t failed me yet lol

[steel heron]

It did once

For me

It didnt give a warning and some random ahh bot missile hit me

[wheat laurel]

the bots have been killing me too sometimes lol

[steel heron]

That makes me even more mad

[wheat laurel]

sometimes the AIM-9B doesn’t go for flares

which is strange cause irl it should

I’ll drop like 4-6 flares and it still hits me XD

[steel heron]

I drop all my flares and it still hits

[wheat laurel]

yeah it’s weird sometimes

[steel heron]

Weird?, noo, annoying

[tawny steeple]

I suggest we have infinite flares in party server so we

[wheat laurel]

ik that in war thunder the AIM-9B gets shaken by dropping 1-2 flares and slightly turning (2-4 G turn)

[steel heron]

So we become a flying circus?

ngl we are a flying circus

[steel heron]

is that irl

[wheat laurel]

the current AIM-9B is acting more like an early R-60 or something

[wheat laurel]

mostly

irl the AIM-9B wasn’t that great and was replaced fairly quickly

[olive hemlock]

Maybe the missile wasn't locked and just happened to hit you

[wheat laurel]

but overall the beta is quite balanced

[wheat laurel]

you did a really good job with the missiles tbh

[olive hemlock]

F104 is getting nerfed

[wheat laurel]

turn radius?

and missiles?

[steel heron]

Please don't nerf it too much

[olive hemlock]

Turn radius if I can figure out a good way to do it

[steel heron]

Turn radius nerfing is ok

[wheat laurel]

wait how does turn radius work in game?

like how do you determine it?

[steel heron]

But please let the guns be

[wheat laurel]

yes please!

[olive hemlock]

Turn radius is not directly specified, the game kinda just does some math and your plane turns

[steel heron]

The guns are like oooooooooooooo

So please let them be I love it

[wheat laurel]

so how do you plan to nerf it?

[steel heron]

@olive hemlock

[steel heron]

Just make it heavier?

Idk

[wheat laurel]

idk if game cares about weight

i think we just have to nerf the PL-2, AIM-9B (make them more susceptible to flares), and then make the F-104 turn like a brick

the gun is honestly fine imo since it has lower dps than the Mirage and A-10

[umbral dawn]

It could be possible to have someone use their voice

[young dagger]

AI is probably better even if its just for recording quality

[wheat laurel]

so overall, here are the things i would change/add:

• increase starfighter turn radius
• make PL-2 and AIM-9B more susceptible to flares
• add a health bar as a fraction in bottom right (ex: 300/620 hp)
• increase roll rate of all aircraft
• add a key to zoom in to help with aiming (ex: hold z to zoom in)

[umbral dawn]

the f104 turns like a f2h rn

[tawny steeple]

+ drift of planes when they recover from tilt

[young dagger]

please i beg that if health bar is added, it is optional bc i hope i never have to see that

like just a toggle in settings

[olive hemlock]

this morning, i'm fixing the game's aerodynamics in the above ways and more

[olive hemlock]

WIP aerodynamics turning radius stats

Plane                    Radius (m)  360° Time (s)
-------------------- -------------- --------------
Bf 109                         88.9          10.35
CR.42 Falco                    95.0           8.65
Ki-10                          96.1           8.60
F4U Corsair                   101.3          12.60
Vampire                       111.2          10.65
Spitfire                      111.8           8.75
A6M Zero                      115.8           8.70
A-10 Thunderbolt              167.7          14.10
B-17                          173.2          17.30
Me 262                        180.8          13.95
F-86 Sabre                    200.8          10.15
J-5                           237.1          11.35
J-7                           327.5          12.95
Mirage F1                     586.8          18.80
F-104 Starfighter             789.6          21.05

[umbral dawn]

21 seconds for the f104?

i think its better to swap the f86 and j5 since the j5 in real life turns way better and it has a better thrust to weight ratio and light airframe.

[wheat laurel]

i think that's about right

[wheat laurel]

agreed

[umbral dawn]

its around 24-30 seconds irl

[wheat laurel]

i'm trying to find an EM diagram for the f-104, but found this one from DCS

if it turns at say 16.5 degrees/sec then it would take about 22 seconds for a complete 360 turn

like i mean it doesn't have to be 100% exact, and 21 seconds is already longer than any other plane in game.

[umbral dawn]

thats only at around mach 0.72

[wheat laurel]

yeah but i'm assuming the chart that squirrel gave is for max performance

at like the ideal airspeeds

i mean either way, it's getting out-turned by everything else

[olive hemlock]

just so you know, these numbers are based on aircraft stats like weight, wing area, and top speed (not set directly by me). F-86 and J-5 are already close so swapping them would be a subtle change.

the assumption: max throttle steady state no climb or descent

[wheat laurel]

i think these values are overall pretty good, and much better than what we currently have.

[olive hemlock]

added more realism to the physics

Plane                    Radius (m)  360° Time (s)
-------------------- -------------- --------------
Ki-10                          82.0          19.60
CR.42 Falco                   120.4          25.10
A6M Zero                      151.4          23.15
Spitfire                      164.6          24.25
Bf 109                        275.4          22.10
Vampire                       290.4          24.80
F-86 Sabre                    334.5          20.25
F4U Corsair                   363.7          22.15
B-17                          391.8          54.75
J-5                           401.2          22.80
Me 262                        461.8          27.60
A-10 Thunderbolt              470.8          26.65
J-7                           523.1          24.75
Mirage F1                     967.6          36.60
F-104 Starfighter            1241.5          38.30

better or worse?

[wheat laurel]

38 seconds to turn

the biplane takes 25 seconds to turn 💀

i think this is worse tbh

[olive hemlock]

thanks. I just noticed there is a measurement error that I'll now fix.

[umbral dawn]

its better for some aircraft

[wheat laurel]

i think like in between the two is best

[umbral dawn]

i cant wait seee to a an f104 b17 dogfight

[wheat laurel]

lol

[umbral dawn]

boat vs bigger boat

the mirage f1 is quite good with the magics

[wheat laurel]

yeah they're really good

the DEFAs are also amazing

easy to aim and high damage

[umbral dawn]

i think the first irccm missiles will be the r-73e or maybe the aim9m or magic 2

[olive hemlock]

Plane                    Radius (m)  360° Time (s)
-------------------- -------------- --------------
Ki-10                          47.0           9.25
CR.42 Falco                    87.1          10.75
A6M Zero                      129.4          10.95
Spitfire                      156.7          11.30
B-17                          169.6          20.60
F-86 Sabre                    389.7          12.80
J-5                           456.6          14.35
J-7                           544.6          16.05
Me 262                        617.1          33.40
A-10 Thunderbolt              662.0          33.05
Bf 109                        687.4          23.00
Vampire                       702.1          24.40
F4U Corsair                   712.4          26.15
Mirage F1                     913.7          23.30
F-104 Starfighter            1118.7          25.40

measurement error fixed (?)

[wheat laurel]

yeah once we got 4th gen jets

how does the b-17 turn tighter and faster than the corsair?

[umbral dawn]

i think that some aircaft need more realism for balence

[olive hemlock]

back to the drawing board

[wheat laurel]

b-17 is about to become a menace 😅

[umbral dawn]

you could say it will be a fortress a flying fortress

[olive hemlock]

ah, another measurement issue. for some planes (like corsair), turning them abruptly would cause a stall, making the process take much longer.

[umbral dawn]

is it just me or when i fly the spitfire it feels like those redbull planes

[wheat laurel]

oh also squirrel, my war thunder key bind for flares is ` but when i try to input it as a custom control in turnfight, it doesn't work.

[umbral dawn]

like it doesnt feel heavy

[olive hemlock]

I made the physics more realistic and now all the bots are falling out of the sky

[wheat laurel]

lol they need to redo flight school

that's what happens when they chatgpt their pilot application

[olive hemlock]

and...the game froze with no error again (GPU process seems to be hanging)

[wheat laurel]

strange 🤔

i've been making solid progress on the eurofighter model

[olive hemlock]

but this time the server reset the connection and it started working again. so weird.

[umbral dawn]

very perplexing

[umbral dawn]

we all love the eurofighter

[young dagger]

just call it a feature and everything will be fine

[harsh lion]

would it be possible to add the abiltiy to do a cobra menouver? on some of the higer lvl jets?

[young dagger]

Could be done manually but as you say jeys like Su27 have a button that overrides the system to allow a cobra, So maybe this idea could be generalized to a “special button” for instance could tilt the nozzle down for VTOL on some planes. Good idea

[harsh lion]

ok

[harsh lion]

Also whould it be possible for and hp bar to be added cuz its kinda hard to tell when your low on hp and not yk?

[wheat laurel]

yeah that's been suggested. i'm pretty sure it's possible

i think the biggest issue is not cluttering up the ui

[olive hemlock]

I suspect the game is freezing due to a Chromium on Linux with AMD GPU bug, not a game bug. I updated Chromium and will see if it keeps happening.

[young dagger]

definitely possible but hopefully an option bc it looks really arcade-y (take world of warplanes for instance)

ideally a toggle in settings

[young dagger]

how do you manage to shoot in mobile?

[umbral dawn]

Like the aoa toggle in wt

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock ik that you are working on other parts rn but at some point, for mobile, could you add a flare button and a weapon switch button? Also, i can’t shoot at all on my phone no matter where I click

[young dagger]

@mortal token could you make a ice-and-snow texture livery for the J-7? Squiggle likes it blue but its kinda bland in my opinion. I don’t know how and can’t do it on my phone. We can share the credit for the plane I think CC 4.0 allows joint licensing…

[wheat laurel]

today's progress:

i'll keep working on it this week

[olive hemlock]

this feature is confirmed for the next update/beta

[young dagger]

excellent, thank you!
You should have a beta for the beta so we can see whats going to happen with the beta
https://www.1.1.turnfight.com

[olive hemlock]

one more change (bots get smart enough to fly with new physics) and I might just release the update

[young dagger]

great, then i can finally shoot with the f104

[olive hemlock]

the BETA has been updated! please check the aerodynamics before I release it as an update 😉

[steel heron]

When is that update

Yesterday you said tomorrow

😀 ☝️

[olive hemlock]

please check if the aerodynamics are good

[steel heron]

We can do a 360 roll now!

[olive hemlock]

that used to be possible with keyboard controls but, yes, now it's possible with mouse controls too

[steel heron]

Aleast you can do a 360 roll

[tame lake]

what changed?

roll seems to be more sensitive now

did anything else change

[olive hemlock]

yes, lots of things changed, including roll

also including:

• top speed
• acceleration
• yaw sensitivity
• energy retention
• precision of controls
• relationship between aircraft statistics and the above
• how mouse controls are translated into pitch, yaw, and roll
• max height a jet can fly

[steel heron]

It was me who shot you, sorry

[tame lake]

oh its ok

i was just trying out new controls i dont care about score

[tame lake]

is speed retention higher now?

[steel heron]

Wait whats the max height?

[tame lake]

as in, do you lose less speed when turning

[olive hemlock]

3k -> 5k for jets

[steel heron]

im trying it!

[olive hemlock]

I really want to know how to fix the guns being harder to aim. it's pretty much the last remaining task before the update.

it would help to know which aiming situations are most affected and how they are affected

like, does the plane not point accurately, or does it not point precisely?

[tame lake]

i think that when you make a big turn, the aiming crosshair moves a lot and takes time to return to the circle

but maybe thats bc plane takes time to rotate

[olive hemlock]

ok, interesting. does it move between the start and crosshair circle, or does it take a different (worse) path?

[tame lake]

sorry what do you mean?

[olive hemlock]

sorry, you said the crosshair moves a lot

i'm wondering if it moves a lot in a good way or a bad way

[tame lake]

oh in a bad way

imo

[olive hemlock]

ok, because the speed is bad (too slow/too fast) or the path taken to get to the circle is bad?

[tame lake]

both, to some extent

[tame lake]

you can see in this clip that because the plane rolls (i think)? the moving crosshair goes up as well as right to get to the circle

[olive hemlock]

ok, thanks. I guess it didn't do that before. I will try to fix it 🙂

[tame lake]

ty!

sorry if my comments werent very clear

[olive hemlock]

np

[steel heron]

So once the aiming is fixed, we should be able to wreck players in the final release?

[mortal token]

Sure thing mate. Send your texture map.

Also uh, my dad denied installing blender on my pc. So uh, I might find another way.

I am sad

[olive hemlock]

oof, if you had blender, these are the existing camo's #1498360214204715159 message

Update (formerly P-51H, level 3)

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock are the planes supposed to roll back and forth like a see-saw when we dont do anything at all? Mobile btw

and i’m assuming that the 2 team mode will be moved to whenever you come back to turnfight in some years/months

[steel heron]

Peaceful flight at 4997m

[olive hemlock]

not really, I will investigate that too

[olive hemlock]

2 teams will not be ready for this update, but it won't necessarily take months/years

[young dagger]

ok got it, decades mb
Jk lol
Uh this is kind of an issue in all of your games’ mobile versions but your buttons are like html or something and when you hold fire or smth like that the site selects the button like how you select text, and is really annoying

[olive hemlock]

are you on android or iOS?

[kindred blade]

hi, I just wanted to mention that it isn't possible to do a split-s using keyboard controls alone

[mortal token]

@steel heron wanna 1v1?

https://1.turnfight.com/NHRRKK

@steel heron come to the main lobby

[olive hemlock]

why not?

[young dagger]

iOS

[olive hemlock]

iOS has a bug (or missing feature) that prevents us from disabling the selection via user-select: none; CSS

new new physics: https://2.turnfight.com

[mortal token]

whats new here @olive hemlock

[olive hemlock]

I tried to make the plane respond better to mouse controls, which it generally does, except for a new bug that I'm working on now

this issue is the last one before I update the game

I think I'll stay up another 30-60m to get it done "tonight"

[steel heron]

Goodluck

[mortal token]

No need to work yourself up squiggle

Take a break

[olive hemlock]

"take a break"

sure, voxmaxa could use an update 😉

[young dagger]

does the plane rock continuously on computer?

[olive hemlock]

doesn't seem to. however, it doesn't always do that on my mobile device either. I may need to test more.

[kindred blade]

I can do a half roll (Q or E), but pressing S to dive won't do much

[olive hemlock]

isn't this a split-s?

[kindred blade]

yes, but I can't do it with keyboard controls alone

[olive hemlock]

that video was keyboard only. you can tell because the camera/view precisely follows the plane, which is only true in keyboard/mobile mode, not mouse+keyboard mode.

[kindred blade]

my bad, I was playing 1.turnfight earlier. Sorry

[olive hemlock]

np

[olive hemlock]

updated the game. regarding the physics, it has some issues still. I will try to fix them in a future update.

if you see big issues, please send me screenshots/videos/explanations

[halcyon phoenix]

Some of my changed controls don't save

[olive hemlock]

Do they conflict with each other?

[steel heron]

I'm sorry guys

I won't be with you a lot because of

Some personal reasons

[stiff salmon]

Bet

[mortal token]

np mate, take care

[halcyon phoenix]

yes few but others are reseting too

I had E for zoom but it changed it to roll right

not even reseting

just changing to smthing else

[olive hemlock]

E -> roll right is a reset, which might happen if your zoom or roll right control was conflicting

[halcyon phoenix]

ah yes

I have changed my controls so much that I don't remember how was they before 😅

[olive hemlock]

Look for red color after you change controls, it means conflict that the game will revert next time you load it

[young dagger]

i haven’t played on computer yet but here is what i think is pretty useful as a setup(idk what the default is):
Z=zoom
F=flare
X=switch weapon
QWEASD=movement
RMB=look around
SPACE=fire weapon

No cross-usage and fairly straightforward

@olive hemlock thank you so much for the update, it is amazing and also really cool for me that I was able to design things and get them into a widely played, fun game

[olive hemlock]

thank you for the models ⭐

[mortal token]

Changed my zoom to RMB

[olive hemlock]

this is precisely the default (minus LMB = fire weapon)

[mortal token]

Squirrel, sorry that I couldn't install blender.

I'll try to find an alternative nonetheless.

[olive hemlock]

well, whatever software you use, the texture has to be seamless (repeating)

[mortal token]

[mortal token]

That might be a bit hard to manage, given that all operational F-22As have a distinct grey camo only on their Wings.

[olive hemlock]

it's ok, someone else (possibly me) can make the camo

[mortal token]

A model from the internet[Free]

[young dagger]

make it repeat only once and be symmetric

[olive hemlock]

that one is already almost symmetric

[mortal token]

hmm ill try my best

Might take a while

[wheat laurel]

wow this update is awesome! very well done squirrel!

[mortal token]

@olive hemlock Is it unlawful to re-edit an existing model ?

[wheat laurel]

the physics are much better than before. it’s like day and night

I can finally use actual BFM tactics lol

war thunder minus the premium bias 😅

[olive hemlock]

no, it's fine, but the license of the existing model is preserved in a way

this only works if the existing license was CC0 or CC BY 4.0

also, most existing models are destructively exported into a triangle mesh, not a clean editable .blend file (with modifiers not applied yet). it can take time to fix this.

[mortal token]

Yes, the model I just showed you is CC By 4.0

I will credit the original dev too

[olive hemlock]

yes, that's all that is required (aside from fixing the model to turnfight standards)

[mortal token]

Aight, thanks mate.

Nice update btw.

[olive hemlock]

thanks

[wheat laurel]

I need to learn how to make textures

[tawny steeple]

just a doubt , how will people know its there model even when they dont lisence it and we add it in game ...

[wheat laurel]

squirrel doesn’t want to get sued though 😭

[olive hemlock]

btw, without Blender, it may not be possible to do all the steps that other models have had done (such as using blender modifiers for symmetry/array/smoothing/boolean instead of destructive edits)

[olive hemlock]

1. we respect the license 2) we credit it on the "planes" page

[mortal token]

@olive hemlock idk what this means....last time I checked it, it showed me CC by 4.0

Wth is Free standard

[tawny steeple]

oh ok , so prolly noone cld know even if someone does smthing like tht

[olive hemlock]

"Free Standard" means nothing and is different from CC BY 4.0 (maybe they said CC BY 4.0 elsewhere)

at least they have a Blend file, which might have modifiers not yet applied

[mortal token]

yes

[wheat laurel]

I found a very nice f-16 model that’s CC BY 4.0 but it has like 200k vertices 💀

[mortal token]

those hq models usually take months

idk turnfight supports them

[wheat laurel]

after the euro fighter I might do f-16 or f-18

which do you guys prefer?

[mortal token]

I might remove the cockpit stuff like the hud + landing gear

[olive hemlock]

no, I want models equivalent in detail to existing models, so like ~3000 vertices plus or minus 2000 vertices after GLTF export

[mortal token]

oh dear, this one has 7k vertices

[wheat laurel]

my starfighter was around 6k but squirrel reduced it

[mortal token]

he can do anything atp

multitasking squilmunk

[olive hemlock]

I am able to reduce vertices as long as the topology is good (loop cuts and parallel edges). if the topology is garbage, reducing vertices takes ages.

[wheat laurel]

my euro fighter is tough because the fuselage is kinda complicated so I’m trying not to use too many vertices but it’s difficult

[olive hemlock]

I found this model online with a free license and started trying to reduce the vertices. however, since it had been triangulated, it was a bit too difficult

[wheat laurel]

everything is smooth blended curves

[mortal token]

from the looks of this, I think this is quite even

[mortal token]

Oh, I was wondering about that F-4 you showed earlier

[wheat laurel]

I hope the starfighter wasn’t too much work 😅

[mortal token]

set aside the bay doors

[olive hemlock]

if you squint at it from across the room with your eyes closed, even a cylinder with 16 edges is smooth enough

consider that you aren't viewing the plane up close in turnfight

[wheat laurel]

yeah for my starfighter the fuselage has 32 faces I think, for the euro fighter I reduced it to 24

[tawny steeple]

it wld be fun if we have tankers flying on to which we have to refuel our planes , players cant destroy tankers..

[mortal token]

Imagine the F-4 and F-22 come out at once. You really ought to go home lol.

[olive hemlock]

*had 32 faces

[wheat laurel]

lol yeah

[mortal token]

sounds like a plan?

Found this tool online

[olive hemlock]

just be aware that not all 3D models are equal and, if you don't use blender, it's probably impossible to make a model fully ready for turnfight. if it's close enough, it may be possible to convert to blender.

[mortal token]

👀

[wheat laurel]

the eurofighter and raptor might be kinda insane though when they get added

[tawny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/eurofighter-typhoon-typhoon-in-action-eurofighter-typhoon-in-action-eurofighter-gif-12127698288028386744

[wheat laurel]

their missiles are like all aspect 50G with IRCCM

[olive hemlock]

I sense a disturbance in the force

[wheat laurel]

and if they get radar missiles, it’s over 💀

[mortal token]

https://tenor.com/view/f22pulling-f22raptor-raptor-f22-gif-27356054

rahhh

i be pulling ts shi when the raptor comes out

[wheat laurel]

lol fr

[mortal token]

I'm wondering how squil would add thrust vectoring

F-22 uses 2D thrust vectoring. UP/DOWN

[wheat laurel]

if they get the AIM-120 missile the game is gonna break. 40G overload, 100 mile range, all aspect, able to shoot down props and jets, doesn’t respond to flares

[wheat laurel]

yeah that would be interesting

[tawny steeple]

wht do you guys think abt having this in turnfight lol

[wheat laurel]

maybe like a toggle to turn betting on or off. that way you can just use the normal keys to maneuver

[mortal token]

He might need to add a bigger map with detailed terrain

[mortal token]

nah

black spray paint chinese

[tawny steeple]

no

[mortal token]

A SU-30 would be lit

[wheat laurel]

let’s just improve the mk48 ship models and combine the two games to make war thunder squirrel version XD

[mortal token]

lol

real

Team ram your zeros into ts Yamato and commit warcrimes against the emperor

[wheat laurel]

where are the wings?

they look tiny

[mortal token]

https://tenor.com/view/nalog-gif-25906765

[olive hemlock]

it's easy, just like other control surfaces

[mortal token]

lol, this aint that bad

[olive hemlock]

I'd add chaff, not just flares, maybe EW pods and stealth coatings

[mortal token]

nah, what in the ace combat electrosphere is that

[wheat laurel]

you would need to stay low, use chaff, and multi-path

or notch for early missiles

[olive hemlock]

my hamster wheel knows no bounds

[mortal token]

high altitude + defend/ go cold

Squil + hamster

[olive hemlock]

I might also add terrain to hide behind

[mortal token]

NEEDED frfr

[tawny steeple]

terrain tht tall ?

[mortal token]

some valleys

[olive hemlock]

yeah, i will probably add tall-ish terrain eventually

[tawny steeple]

still cld be sniped from top ya

[wheat laurel]

but what about the props?

radar missiles work on any radar target

including props

[mortal token]

wth is some guy doing to geofs

[olive hemlock]

extinct.

[mortal token]

hes creating turnfight

[olive hemlock]

no, obviously the props would need some sort of defense or immunity

[tawny steeple]

solution

[mortal token]

@wheat laurel How do you start with shapes before modelling an aircraft

[wheat laurel]

wow they’ve added so many planes to geofs. I haven’t played that in like 2 years

[tawny steeple]

chant some magical phrases

[mortal token]

ok, really helpful there

[wheat laurel]

depends on the aircraft. once you lay out the blueprints i’ll generally start working on the main fuselage with either a circle or a cylinder

i start with the exhaust and extrude out towards the front

[mortal token]

💀

I might cook

This thing runs on a browser

[wheat laurel]

i think you need the reference images first lol

[wheat laurel]

ideally 3 views

yeah that’s good

top, side and front

you could also get a bottom view to make it extra good, but i don’t have the patience for that XD

unless it’s like the raptor where the weapons bay would have to be modeled ofc

[mortal token]

F22 has a bottom view

[wheat laurel]

yeah for the raptor you would need bottom view

also which would you guys prefer? the f-16 or f-18?

[olive hemlock]

yes

[tawny steeple]

lol yes seems to mean both

[wheat laurel]

i plan to do either of those (or maybe both) and then a British V bomber

probably the Vulcan or Victor

i personally hate the Valiant

[tawny steeple]

I mean I am quite jealous of the amount of time you have 😭 ngl

[mortal token]

Hornet

[wheat laurel]

lol i don’t have that much, i just spend most of my free time on this 😅

I’ve also gotten a lot better at modelling so it doesn’t take long to make these planes

i would much rather spend time modelling than wasting it playing games or watching some random videos

[halcyon phoenix]

F-18

[wheat laurel]

the starfighter took maybe like 5-6 hours total

I’m like 2 hours into the eurofighter and am already almost done the fuselage

[halcyon phoenix]

btw squirrel can you make controls not reseting even when they are conflicting?

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock do you think that at some point mouse scroll up/down could be linked to controls? I would use it for thrust control, for instance

[olive hemlock]

I find this very dangerous, because then an update that changes controls could lead to extremely confusing conflicts

[olive hemlock]

it's hard to add scroll in a general way since it's so different than buttons/keys. I'll think about it.

[wheat laurel]

there’s a key i use for flares in WT but it doesn’t work in turnfight

[halcyon phoenix]

hmm alr

[olive hemlock]

I added backtick last update if that's what you mean

[wheat laurel]

oh nice!

[mortal token]

How skilled are you, pro, mid or beginner? I dont know a thing about modelling

[wheat laurel]

i’m like beginner tbh

[young dagger]

ok. Btw, its not all that different if you convert it as every time you scroll up, its the same as pressing “mouse scroll up” multiple times, same for down

[mortal token]

woah, cool

[wheat laurel]

i know the basics which is enough to get by, but i can’t really make things that are too advanced

squirrel is way better

so is mirage

[olive hemlock]

" every time you scroll up "

this concept is not portable between platforms. on mac, scroll events are tiny and precise. on windows, they're coarse. on linux, ????

[young dagger]

hmm, i see

[wheat laurel]

the starfighter was my first complete plane made from scratch

[tawny steeple]

People who can't make a donut in blender but Planes and ships 😇

[wheat laurel]

you don’t really need to be a pro to make decent models. as long as you take your time you’ll be fine

[young dagger]

same for me w/ the zero, i think that the j-7 was a lot easier so hopefully the eurofighter will be easier for you

[wheat laurel]

that’s so real 😭

i only made it 1 hour into the donut video before my donut was beyond repair and i quit

[young dagger]

i can’t do that tutorial for the life of me
Maybe i just need some donut blueprints

[mortal token]

faaah, why wont it show me my image

[wheat laurel]

honestly the starfighter was very easy. the eurofighter is surprisingly complex. this one is gonna take me probably a week

[young dagger]

likely something in the active rendering settings

[mortal token]

How long should the Raptor take

Planning to complete it tmrrw

[wheat laurel]

I’m not sure tbh. at least it’s quite angular so it should be terrible

shouldn’t*

[young dagger]

wml

[wheat laurel]

the starfighter is honestly just a tube with tiny wings so it was simple

[wheat laurel]

17 g of protein 👀

where can i find such “engineered indulgence unit”?

[young dagger]

thats going to be the hardest part of the model

[young dagger]

idk i just googled “donut blueprint”

[tribal thicket]

storm shadow

kh-31

i wonder if the a-10 can carry harpoons?

[umbral dawn]

i will probally only model canadian or chinese aircraft

[olive hemlock]

land attack missions are planned (in the long term)

[tawny steeple]

looks like SCALP NAVAL missile

or NAVAL SCALP idk

[wheat laurel]

wow your models are incredible!

[tribal thicket]

thx this one was an older one that i worked on and off for a few months

[tawny steeple]

is these models for GeoFS or smthingelse

[tribal thicket]

nah there's already a rafale for geofs

[wheat laurel]

i think yours is nicer lol

[tribal thicket]

debatable lol

i believe geofs uses fully professional models now

[wheat laurel]

progess report 👀

[umbral dawn]

looks like its from a ps1 game in a good way

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock so i can make that f35 when i get back but i think it would be better for me to work on a separately licensed (Indian or Chinese) MiG 29 and a F15 for lvl 8

oh and is mk48 or krax or tankgank next in line for an update
Or
are you being sucked back into vox

[tribal thicket]

i love the chinese mig-29

also

[tribal thicket]

apparently not but it carries agm-65 mavericks

[olive hemlock]

here's a list of the planes I can think of. I can probably fit anything on this list into the game at any time (well, any update): https://discord.com/channels/847143438939717663/1506110673757667439

regarding priority, I think your guess is as good as mine

[tribal thicket]

there's gotta be some order otherwise we're gonna get an f-22 right after the mf1

which is amusing to think about tbh lol

[olive hemlock]

I'm not saying that MF1->F22 is a good idea, only that it's obviously a bad idea so I don't have to say that 😉

(but, if I did receive an F22 model now, I would add it, just at a much higher point value)

[tribal thicket]

what's a late 3rd gen fighter?

not much comes to mind rn

[harsh lion]

is a tomcat a late 3rd gen or 4th gen?

[tribal thicket]

most consider it early 4th

i've yet to meet anyone who calls the tomcat 3rd 💀

[harsh lion]

ah ok

[olive hemlock]

I'm not too concerned with which generation a plane is in

[harsh lion]

ok f-35 lighting A

[tribal thicket]

thinking of what's a reasonable step up from the mf1

feels like mf1 to f16 is still too big a jump

f-4?

[harsh lion]

you should to the f-4 fantom

[olive hemlock]

F-4/F-14 are both on my wishlist, along with J-8 (but maybe that's the same level as Mirage)

[harsh lion]

ok

[tribal thicket]

all are long range interceptors though

[harsh lion]

also if you add The f-14 it goes mach 2+

you could add the p-80 shootingsatr

[olive hemlock]

all speeds are at sea level in turnfight

[tribal thicket]

that's a step down

[harsh lion]

oh

oh ya

[tribal thicket]

multiple steps actually

[harsh lion]

welllllll

it was an idea

[tribal thicket]

mig-23 when

[harsh lion]

add the su-25

[tribal thicket]

oh yeah now might be a good time to mention india operated the mig-27 and it (initially) had a heavier gun than the a-10

[harsh lion]

In the future could you add the F-15 c

[olive hemlock]

sure, any F-15 (it's on the list already)

[harsh lion]

is the list in this?

[olive hemlock]

the list: https://discord.com/channels/847143438939717663/1506110673757667439

[tribal thicket]

oh i forgot i had this

flying lootbox

flying just high enough to induce hypoxia

[tame lake]

F111?

[tribal thicket]

that's more of a bomber though

[tame lake]

Ig

[wheat laurel]

for late 3rd gen i think the Saab Viggen and Sepecat Jaguar would work

viggen is already on the list, though

[olive hemlock]

thanks, I added it to my list, with a note about how it seems similar to F1 Mirage

[wheat laurel]

ah fair enough, it does have 2 x 30mm cannons

perhaps the panavia tornado is better

it’s a pretty cool twin seat strike fighter

it has variable geometry wings too

the harrier would be cool too

[olive hemlock]

added those two 🙂

[tribal thicket]

tornado my beloved

how would it be significantly different than any other heavy strike fighter though

remember it's a lot easier to add to wishlist than actually make

[tribal thicket]

i love soviet engineering

[tame lake]

didnt they also airdrop tanks with the tank crews in them

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock the Shenyang J-11 would be a perfect fit for lvl 9 if it can go with F-18 and Eurofighter

its a su27

also a classic look

[tame lake]

i think its on the wishlist

[olive hemlock]

yes: https://discord.com/channels/847143438939717663/1506110673757667439

[young dagger]

oh mb

[young dagger]

will you be constricting the game to a 10-level ideal, or can we make more levels - also potentially there could be different era servers with certain begin level and max level

[olive hemlock]

I'm fine with more than 10 levels, and I do want to add some game modes with a narrower range of aircraft

[young dagger]

ok so when i get back, unless people are already doing this, I’ll begin modeling the J-11

might work for lvl 8 (current not counting possible levels before lvl 7)

I feel a little unpatriotic - i have made a japanese plane and a Chinese plane based on a russain plane and i plan to do it again lol

[mortal token]

Bruh.....even taking the gears off the F-22 model is taking forever

I am not modelling a new one to be honest.

[young dagger]

fair enough lol

[young dagger]

Low poly for the win

@olive hemlock you may want to update the help menu

[mortal token]

busy reducing triangles, currently at 6k with 20k polygons

reduced to 10k

@young dagger would you add textures for me?

I will just need someone to make these parts movable

for thrust vectoring

[mortal token]

I Raptor4001 hereby license f22a_turnfight.blend as CC by 4.0- https://creativecommons.org/license/by/4.0/deed.en.
I hereby give equal credit to Gruz 3D on sketchfab[https://sketchfab.com/heycrosscut] for his original F-22 Raptor model. I significantly reduced the vertex count and triangle count from this model.

@olive hemlock

Only 2 things. Cockpit textures + movable nozzles remain. Forgive me for any faults, as it was my first time.

[mortal token]

we need that vro

Where have you been

[tribal thicket]

41k tris 💀

[steel heron]

I Can't wait for an F-22 to take to the Turnfight skies

Ive never thought it would happen

I thought it would happen when I become an old man

But it's happening now!

Yayyy

[tribal thicket]

target is 3k

honestly it's probably better and easier to do it from scratch

[mortal token]

idk shi bro

[olive hemlock]

thank you! I checked the model and found many unnecessary details, consistent with the original modeler (not you) indiscriminately using a "subdivision surface" technique. The model has also been triangulated which is hard to undo. For these reasons, I can't use this in turnfight. Sorry!

[tribal thicket]

Jinxed it 💔

[mortal token]

I see. Thanks for the clarification. I'd rework the F-22 sometime later. Is it ok if I model missiles for the game?

Its something new I learnt which I would keep in mind later.

[mortal token]

Sadge that it wont, as of now. One day for sure, it would take the turnfight skies.

[steel heron]

I have enough confidence that it will happen someday

[steel heron]

Yeah sure

[olive hemlock]

I appreciate your interest in helping. to model missiles as others have done, it would be necessary to have Blender to add the materials. without blender, the most you could hope to do is get the shape right, and hopefully it could be imported to blender for the final steps.

[steel heron]

You guys use blender, I use blender irl

[tribal thicket]

Now show geometry

[steel heron]

Here's your 'geometry'

[tawny steeple]

[mortal token]

😭

[tribal thicket]

That's cute

[umbral dawn]

Is This yyz?

[umbral dawn]

mostly i am talking about the left most section of terminal 3

and the right of t1

[wheat laurel]

it looks like yyz

[young dagger]

@tribal thicket well i can make a turnfight-level poly count J-11, and some others

[wheat laurel]

@olive hemlock i love the new physics, but i noticed that it takes a long time for the crosshair to settle into the center of the aiming circle

[young dagger]

@tribal thicket and @olive hemlock how abt this:
Lvl 8: Grippen, Mitsubishi F-2
Lvl 9: F/A-18, J-11
Lvl 10: F-15, Eurofighter Typhoon (wip)

Just to block in the levels, can be expanded on later

[wheat laurel]

i don't think that the f-18 is better than the eurofighter or f-15

[young dagger]

ok ill switch ‘em

[wheat laurel]

also how did my corsair mag dump the a-10 and it didn't die 😭

[young dagger]

Thats quite expected since the a10 was built to withstand heavy fire and the corsair is ww2

[olive hemlock]

I think Grippen is a bit modern for level 8 but, my thought is that I'll figure out a way to add any planes that are in my wishlist in any order, such as by adjusting point values

[young dagger]

ok. what plane on your list would you want me to make first? maybe an equal to the typhoon since owl is already working on that

[wheat laurel]

i also mag dumped a J5

meanwhile my corsair dies to a zero in like 3 seconds 😭

[olive hemlock]

I think your intuitions about priority are as good or better than mine

[wheat laurel]

the level 2 planes are literal pea shooters

mag dump everything and no one dies

[young dagger]

what would be a good match for typhoon

[olive hemlock]

recommend z=zoom for more accuracy

[tribal thicket]

I sent another hypothetical roadmap a while ago

[wheat laurel]

typhoon is on par with rafale, f-15, maybe gripen and maybe super hornet

basically any 4.5 gen

and the top sukhois

[tribal thicket]

Tech wise but probably not role wise

[olive hemlock]

my preference: make any plane you want (ideally find or get it on the wishlist first) and I'll figure out how to add it. if you want to make a plane that goes after level 7, that's fine. if you want to make a 5th generation fighter, that's fine.

[young dagger]

what about j11

[wheat laurel]

well in terms of an air-to-air fight they would be

[olive hemlock]

one thing I'm thinking of is missile progression. I think:

1. early Fox 2 (IR missile) (only locks jets, rear aspect, short range, very susceptible to flares)
2. Fox 1 (semi-active radar) missile (must keep plane pointed at target the whole time, limited against stealth aircraft, defeated by flying low)
3. late Fox 2 (IR missile) (some limited ability to lock propeller planes, any aspect on jets, less susceptible to flares, short range, more maneuverable)
4. Fox 3 (active radar) missile (on advanced planes only, virtually unlimited except slow reload, long range, limited against stealth aircraft, defeated by flying low)

perhaps some planes can mix multiple missile types

the goal: missiles get more capable at higher plane levels, without it being too OP

[tribal thicket]

I have a mica-IR and meteor

The former can do a 180 and the latter maintains mach 4 throughout flight

The French are scary

[wheat laurel]

wait how do you dodge missiles without flares?

i'm trying to turn but even when it says over g i still die

[olive hemlock]

which level plane are you? which type of missile?