Update (formerly P-51H, level 3)

[young dagger]

Air-to-air armament:
6 x 12.7 mm machine guns
<will edit in more info when I can>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_P-51_Mustang#Specifications_(P-51D_Mustang)

[olive hemlock]

If someone contributed a model (consistent with the game quality, not too detailed or too inaccurate) to us under CC0/CC-BY 4.0, I'd probably add it

[young dagger]

I was considering trying to make it on blender but I couldn't even make the donut...
I do make python programs with 3D from scratch and potentially I could make a decently detailed triangle mesh version (like with un-noticable harsh lines. enough triangles to make smooth curves) but I doubt that would work for the game system

[mortal token]

Yeah we need this

[young dagger]

I guess I can give blender another shot lol 💀

[halcyon phoenix]

would be cool to see P-51 in Turnfight

[young dagger]

I was thinking, P-38 would be a better fit for lvl 3, I'll change my post.

P-38L, level 3.

[olive hemlock]

when you say better, are you assuming it would have rockets? if not, why better? it's slower, right?

[young dagger]

It's a heavier hitter, so it seems more alike to the vampire and the 262, also it was made for the pacific so it fits the game better in general ig
It [p38]'s a fighter of more varied roles but I suppose perhaps the P-51 would introduce more variety to lvl 3
P-51 is indeed faster, so ig it depends on what you, squirrel, want for lvl 3.
Also I will be trying to model one of the two, depending on what you prefer...

[olive hemlock]

I'd probably add both, but P-38 seems like level 2 and P-51 seems like level 3

(If I also had an A6M Zero or something, I might split level 2 into two levels)

here's an example model to show the detail level I want. it's also a good example of not applying modifiers, keeping the model editable.

[young dagger]

Thanks! I'll try and figure out Blender
it might take like a month to make the P-51 (which it seems you prefer for lvl 3) but I'll make sure it's accrate and matches your setup

[young dagger]

P-51D, level 3.

[steel heron]

You can do it!

[steel heron]

Lvl 2 A and B?

[young dagger]

I'm working on it right now! I'll send screenshots when it is in a stage that is more recognisable lol

@olive hemlock though, I realise that the P-51 has the same armament as the Corsair... do you think that it is worth level 3 simply due to the speed?

[steel heron]

Hmm

[young dagger]

I'll still make it though, good practise

[steel heron]

What livery exactly?

USAF?

[olive hemlock]

well, it's the same as both Corsair (level 2) and F86 Sabre (level 4)

apparently Corsair is faster than I thought, even several knots faster than P-51

however, P-51 is smaller and lighter than Corsair

that said, warthunder assigns corsair a battle rating of 4.3 and P-51 only 4.0

[young dagger]

Oops, sorry I meant lvl 3...

Well I'll make it anyway, even if it's just for practise

[olive hemlock]

I'm pretty sure P-51 can fit into the game, just not sure whether level 2 or 3. also, if I had the Zero, I could split levels 2-3 into 2-4.

[olive hemlock]

2,3,4,5 -> 2,3,4,5,6

[steel heron]

Also one thing I wanted to stress on is the sonic boom after the Mirage crosses Mach 1

[wheat laurel]

it depends on which P-51 and which Corsair. P-51 in war thunder ranges from 3.7 to 6.3 while the Corsair ranges from 2.7 to 5.7.

like the P-51 D-30 for example is 5.0

[olive hemlock]

oh, that's really good to know, thanks!

[wheat laurel]

here's the war thunder wiki for aircraft from different nations if you want to refer to their battle ratings. https://wiki.warthunder.com/aviation

[young dagger]

Sorry guys I'm going to have to restart cuz the wikipedia blueprints were kinda weird (and I realised the top view didn't even look like the same model as the side view)
But at least I'm starting to get the hang of it

[wheat laurel]

i think if we add the p-51 h or any other later variant it could go with the very early jets like the me262 and vampire. or at least at the top of the props. those ones were really fast.

[young dagger]

Ok, I'll work on that one

[young dagger]

I figured out how to make wings, yay

[young dagger]

I need to figure out a better way to make the main intake - I tried to apply the same methof I used for the fuselage but I used too many breaks in it so the human error really shines 😛
Do you guys have any ideas on how to make the intake in a cleaner way?

Also this is a practise build... to match squirrel's level of accuracy will take more time lol

P-51H, level 3.

[young dagger]

Drop tanks (for some reason the smooth shading makes the ridges look really big but they aren't)

[olive hemlock]

just so you know, I want models at the same detail level as the existing models, and that looks like way more vertices

all existing models have a fuselage with 20 edges around their circumference, and smaller cylinders have even fewer

[young dagger]

Yeah for the final model I'll try to exactly match everything (like patterns or number of points in circles, like you say) that I notice on the Bf109, currently I'm experimenting/practising how to make different parts of the plane

[young dagger]

I remade the model with the specified vertice count. The wing has 21 vertices per side-frame, is that ok?
I don't really understand smooth shading, it acts really weird sometimes but hopefully that won't be an issue

[olive hemlock]

that wireframe looks fine

for smooth shading: Select all, split normals, enable smooth shading, clear sharp

[young dagger]

In case something happens to my files (sometimes when my computer restarts every couple weeks in the night, it messes with files) I'll put the file here so I can re-download if neccesary

[umbral dawn]

The 4.3 f4u is the f4u-4 but the highest rated battle rating f4u is the f4u-4b which has 4 20mm canons But the highest battle rating p-51 is the p-51H is at 6.3

Secondly, the p-51 has a faster cruise speed than the f-4u by 100ish knots the f-4u was made more to be used as close air support (cas) The p51 was made for pursuit.

[young dagger]

Still in a clunky phase but definetely looking more like a P-51! 😄

[young dagger]

Sorry guys but I'll be stopping my work on the P-51 H for now, as it's design is slightly too complex (my specific issue was getting a realistic main scoop while keeping the proper vertex count) for my level of blender (0 lol).
This does not mean in any way that I won't come back to make the P-51 H soon - I just need time to practise on other planes, so I'll be working on the A6M Zero now, since it has a slightly simpler design.

[mortal token]

😭

ok bro np

[mortal token]

I suggest a p-38

[young dagger]

I mean yeah but squirrel said that the Zero would be accepted for the game so I may as well be certain that I'm being productive
Zero isn't that hard, similar to corsair (big radial engine)

[umbral dawn]

at the end of a the day a plane is a plane

[olive hemlock]

the corsair model

[young dagger]

Thanks! That's very helpful.

[young dagger]

I think Raptor disagrees, he only wants F-22 lol

[umbral dawn]

he is a raptor after all

[mortal token]

🥀 i mean, I do love ww2 aircraft

[steel heron]

How difficult is it to design an F-22 Raptor

For the game

[mortal token]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-rock-gif-21708339

[young dagger]

not sure but let's not make it yet it would be too overpowered fighting 70s jets

Or at least lets work on stuff like Gloster Meteor or MiG-21 or F-5/4

[umbral dawn]

There should be a bridge between early gen 1 jets and gen 2 jets

[young dagger]

gloster meteor will be level with me262 and vampire, and after that hawker hunter with f86 and j5, and then f4, f5, mig21, then the a10 and mirage and mig25

[steel heron]

The Mig 25 is crazy fast

And has no guns or cannons

Only missiles

[young dagger]

indeed

still, I'm matching by era... it seems like this works

[steel heron]

Also I think when the missile mechanics and physics are done, then it would be a good idea to add missile yielding aircraft

[young dagger]

that's the plan

[steel heron]

yea i get it

[young dagger]

Here's my current progress on the Zero. I'm finding it a lot easier to make than the P-51 H, lol.

[umbral dawn]

i feel like it will be -0 hp

and a turn rate of a bee

[young dagger]

idk talk to sq abt that

[umbral dawn]

thats the sacrafice for a good turnrate

[young dagger]

Well just realism is the main thing

[umbral dawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1456196847050817606/1488016597837942804/anxeq2.gif

[young dagger]

I think sq want minimalized paint jobs for now, at somepoint that skin might be added tho as a personalized thing.

[wheat laurel]

i would love customizable nose art and liveries

[young dagger]

Yeah I would love that too

I would def want a shark mouth/snakeskin a-10

[umbral dawn]

it was a reaction gif

[young dagger]

I know lol I was trolling

[umbral dawn]

this would look great on the 109

[young dagger]

Zero progress...
EDIT: I mean progress on the A6M Zero, not that I haven't got any progress

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock could you check if my work is fitting to your style so far? I need to work on the tail joint, which is where I am stuck right now.
Also I learned to never try to render the image, blender stopped responding and almost auto-closed without saving 💀

[olive hemlock]

this looks quite good! I like how you haven't unnecessarily applied any modifiers. I like the level of detail.

you didn't pack blueprints into the file ("pack external data into blend") so I can't speak to accuracy of the shape

[young dagger]

oh, hmm idk why the blueprints aren't shared as well but I'll send screenshots (the blueprints aren't entirely true to themselves either, as often happens with older planes, different views might not fully match each other [slightly different wing heights, ect] so I tried my best lol)
I can confirm that the ailerons, rudder, elevator (which appears to be two separate flaps, according to the images I could get of real Zeros) are all in the correct positions.
By the way, is it alright if the ailerons are one object? I can separate them if you want, I wasn't sure if the mirror modifier has a way to do opposite rotations.
Here's the file again just in case the blueprints work this time. I labelled them so I don't see why they wouldn't be packed along with the rest of the data.
EDIT: I fixed the horizontal stabilizer position

I realise that the proppelors need much work (each frame needs to be rotated more than I did originally)

[olive hemlock]

for blueprints, File -> External data -> Pack into blend (or something like that)

this looks great, in some ways already better than existing models 🙂

[young dagger]

Hi, I finished pretty much all the final main details (apart from the gear under the wing, if I do add that, and also the guns)
I am having a lot of trouble with the cockpit canopy. Here's the file (blueprints attached hopefully working), could you tell me what your general approach i to making the canopy?

[olive hemlock]

cool! the general approach for the cockpit is to move some vertices into position to make a rough cockpit shape and then extrude them downward to create a simple cavity within the plane. the canopy should be a flat/zero-thickness glass pane, possibly with zero-thickness metal strips (although solid metal strips are acceptable - see bf109). see the corsair file as an example. you could even copy (Append) the corsair canopy into this file to get started.

[young dagger]

OK, thanks. Also, I finish the design tmrw I'll flip it so it matches your other models, and then I'll copy in the corsair, use wikipedia to find the length of each plane, then multiply (scale) the corsair model by the ratio between their lengths, and then scale the Zero so that it is the same length as the scaled Corsair, and then I can copy-paste the pilot in so that he is the right size in comparison (and then delete the corsair lol).

[olive hemlock]

in the future, it's easier to set the blueprints to the be the right size before you start modeling 😛

[young dagger]

indeed, lol
by the way, would you like me to add drop tanks (the correct model ofc) to the model, or not? The only other plane with drop tanks currently is F-86, I think, so it might be nice to add the variety.

Oh and also I want to let you know that I am aware that there is a scoop part in the front that I need to add and I haven't ignored it 😄

[olive hemlock]

drop tanks are fine, especially if they were carried often

[young dagger]

Alright, thanks (also, yes, pretty much all historical pictures of A6Ms show drop tanks on them)

[young dagger]

(I assume you will read this tomorrow, not today)
I was also wondering about something... I notice that in the game, the models have a sort of nailed-in-metal texture (I'm not sure if it is a texture or an actual 3D effect)... am I supposed to add that or will you do that when you do the coloring?

[olive hemlock]

it's a texture, and I can add it easily (please don't try to add it)

please do add materials, though, by copying (Append) Corsair's

[young dagger]

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by materials

[olive hemlock]

it's ok if you skip materials

but materials are a feature of blender. they define how each triangle looks, such as color and roughness. the game imports them. you can enable Material Preview mode to view them. Corsair has them 😉

[young dagger]

Ok, I'll figure that out once I finish the model when I have time tomorrow...
Here it is with drop tank, air scoop/intake, and landing hook (optional)

[olive hemlock]

awesome 🔥

[young dagger]

Thanks! I realised I forgot the guns 💀
Well anyway I'll do that tomorrow
good night and thanks for the help

[halcyon phoenix]

sirsnow cooking 🔥

[steel heron]

Once your finally done with the plane model, what livery do you think will suit it

A slightly better livery than the existing ones in turnfight?

[olive hemlock]

turnfight currently only supports basic designs consisting of solid colors or repeating camo patterns

[steel heron]

🥺

[young dagger]

sounds fine as long as it has that classic dark green paint job as a base

[young dagger]

Cute lil' Zero

[mortal token]

🔥

amazing

[young dagger]

I can't make a decent canopy for the life of me, though

@olive hemlock the canopy needs a little work and I need to add the guns on the nose I think but here it is, properly scaled, with the guy inside.

Also I still don't understand where to find the materials in the corsair file, so I wasn't able to add them yet

[young dagger]

Ok I have the model with the correct materials, can you tell me if it saved properly on your side?

The (updated) file:

[olive hemlock]

yeah!

Ideally the cockpit would have metal strips instead of only glass but I can add that

thanks so much for making this

if you're done with it, I can work on adding it to the game 🙂

[young dagger]

Not quite done yet

I need to add:

1. Nose guns,
2. Perfect canopy

[young dagger]

Here it is with nose guns and some slight color material fixes:

I'll work on the canopy later today

Here's the file in case you need to check anything

[olive hemlock]

looks good! just so you know, the machine guns and machine gun boolean objects (and also the cable) have way too many vertices. I'd use 8 edges for those cylinders.

[young dagger]

yeah i realised that after the fact, will fix soon

[young dagger]

When I use octagons the nose gets a little messed up...

I'll try 10 and then 12 but 10 should work

[olive hemlock]

that's fixable, don't worry (smooth shading, split normals, etc. I was going to do it anyway)

[young dagger]

Really? Ok, so I should just do to 10 or 8 then?

[olive hemlock]

yeah, 8 is good

[young dagger]

OK, great. I redid the nose guns. (Is it ok if the model is A6M3 rather than A6M2? The main real difference is the gun slot position in the coweling and my model appears to be an A6M3)
Once I finish the canopy I'll send you the file

[olive hemlock]

I don't mind the version difference. in our games, we typically don't make these types of distinctions and sometimes we mix versions.

[young dagger]

A much better canopy. I'll add the metal and the basic model will be finished

[mortal token]

japanese roundel?

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock here I finished it (file below)

I tried to label things clearly so you could easily navigate it

[olive hemlock]

thanks, it looks really good! I will add it in the next update 🙂

[young dagger]

Awesome! By the way, is the beta any different than the offical? It seems that https://3.turnfight.com is the same as the normal version but when updates do get added do they appear different in beta?

[olive hemlock]

there is no more turnfight BETA, that was during the last update

[olive hemlock]

*I do need license information for you. please declare which license you are releasing the file under, if any. examples of ones we accept: CC BY 4.0, CC0

e.g.

MODEL_NAME © 2026 by [EXILE] sirsnow is licensed under CC BY 4.0. To view a copy of this license, visit https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

[young dagger]

Oops, I forgot that part. I'll do that

I, sirsnowrepuls_13198, state the following:

A6mZero.blend © 2026 by [SSL] sirsnow (sirsnowrepuls_13198) is licensed under CC BY 4.0. To view a copy of this license, visit https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

does that work?

[olive hemlock]

yes, thanks so much!

[mortal token]

💀 holy

cooketh

[young dagger]

lol

[mortal token]

when will it get added?

[young dagger]

idk whenever the next update happens ig

[olive hemlock]

the next #turnfight update will probably be after, possibly right after, the next #voxmaxa update which is over halfway done

[mortal token]

so there is more to vox?

wow

[olive hemlock]

next vox update is huge

[young dagger]

By the way, even if it seems politically (well I mean old politics but some people care ig) unbalanced, would the Zero be level 2 with the Bf109? It is such an excellent turnfighter, and even if lvl 1 is allies and lvl 2 is axis, eventually there will hopefully be a mix (italian plane lvl 1 and p51 lvl 2)

[olive hemlock]

2 cannons 2 machineguns puts it in level 2

[young dagger]

OK well thanks so much for your guidance and help! I'm glad that the model is acceptable to the game type and I'm going to sleep now lol

[steel heron]

I cant wait for the Zero

@young dagger You cooked well🔥

[mortal token]

@olive hemlock will the next turnfight update have missiles?

[olive hemlock]

I'm not sure

[halcyon phoenix]

Woah that's looking good 🔥

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock So I fixed the drop tank size and aligned everything (some things were a little bit off).
Here is the updated model, and I can do the statement again if you need.

I, sirsnowrepuls_13198, state the following:

A6mZero.blend © 2026 by [SSL] sirsnow (sirsnowrepuls_13198) is licensed under CC BY 4.0. To view a copy of this license, visit https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

Now it's actually finished

[olive hemlock]

thanks!

[young dagger]

Oh I forgot to mention the other thing that was fixed, which was the gear, Zeros actually retracted the tail landing gear. So, since the front gear is retracted, so is the tail gear. Similar thing with the hook, I raised it.

[steel heron]

Would the final solid colour dark green suit this

For the Zero?

[young dagger]

I can send a screenshot of how it looks, you tell me if it needs adjustment

[steel heron]

Yea I'll check it out

[steel heron]

Hmm maybe a Lil more lighter

Little bit

Liiiiittttttlllle bit

The dark green should be little more noticeable

Liittle

[young dagger]

too much?

[young dagger]

Ok well could you talk to squirrel about that when he's done with the vox update? I feel bad to keep saying "oh shoot I missed something, here's the new file" lol

[olive hemlock]

after the vox update, I'll check the latest version of the file here

regarding color, the game shows slightly different colors than blender

[steel heron]

Thats fine

[steel heron]

Actually this looks good

Much better

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock when you are going to start the turnfight update work (no rush btw), I'll make a post that summarizes (groups) the ideas that have been coming in from different people so you don't have to scroll through everything, also the post will contain the latest version models (A6M Zero, MiG21, F4/5) and their statements, and people can add ideas in the thread if I missed their idea, so we the players can crowd-source a bunch of ideas into one place

[olive hemlock]

I need a day to fix the voxmaxa update but likely after that 👌

I wasn't aware of MiG21 / F4 / F5 models 👀

[young dagger]

might not happen but if you approve of them, they would be lvl 6, between F-86 lvl and A-10 lvl

[olive hemlock]

MiG 21 will be held until the country of origin is no longer fighting an offensive war

(Chinese derivatives may be accepted)

the other two are great

[young dagger]

well I mean USA is kind of... involved... in stuff as well, so I'm not sure about the difference but I bet that there are some versions of the MiG 21 licensed by other countries

I'm not sure which level (2 or 3) the zero will fit in but if you break up lvl 2 into two lvls the game level plan could look like this:
lvl 1: WWI
lvl 2: WWII part 1
lvl 3: WWII part 2
lvl 4: early jets (Me 262...)
lvl 5: slightly less early jets (F-86...)
lvl 6: MiG-21 (licensed by another country), F-4 OR F-5 (both ideally will be added at some point)
lvl 7: A-10 and Mirage F1

[young dagger]

Also I suppose then that all sukhoi planes would not be allowed unless there is some other uninvolved country that also uses them

[mortal token]

😭

[young dagger]

well I mean squirrel is right in not wanting to glorify any ongoing wars, they are awful

[young dagger]

so the J-7 would be accepted?
I'll work on that when I can, then

[olive hemlock]

I'd probably add J-7 although I'd like more info on which niche it fills relative to the other planes in that level

[halcyon phoenix]

We should remove all planes from Turnfight bc they are meant to kill other people and that's highly disturbing 😄

[young dagger]

We should make turnfly, it's a game where you fly 747s (we needn't even change the roll speed)

jk lol

[wheat laurel]

in a few days i'm going to start working on an f-104 and cf-5 model if you would be willing to accept those @olive hemlock

[young dagger]

CF-5 is a canadian version of F-5 (1964) is a light fighter, has air-to-air missiles and 2 x 20 mm, J-7 (1966) is a heavier fighter designed for short-range air to air combat (has early-ish heatseeking missiles and 2 x 30mm cannons, 120 rounds total)
I didn't research F-104 yet but it seems that these three would fit nicely together

[wheat laurel]

yeah, the f-104 was designed as a high altitude interceptor but often used as a low altitude strike fighter and gun platform.

[halcyon phoenix]

lmao

good idea

[wheat laurel]

i'm thinking of doing CF-5 (Canada) and F-104G (Germany) or F-104S (Italy)

[olive hemlock]

I think F-5 was great, idk about CF-5 but seems similar

f-104 looks good

[wheat laurel]

cf-5 is basically the same thing but canadian

[young dagger]

so do you want me to model smth or I can do J-7 im just not sure if squirrel will accept it

[wheat laurel]

i'm going to model the cf-5 anyways though cause i have a personal connection to that plane

it's okay if it's not suitable for turnfight

[young dagger]

i think it would be great

[wheat laurel]

honestly model whichever jet you like and would be unique. J-7 seems good to me.

[mortal token]

747s vs A380s rahhhh

[umbral dawn]

Isn’t the proper designation of the cf-5 the cf-116

[young dagger]

idk sorry

[young dagger]

Starting work on J-7 (don't ask why the canopy looks so goofy rn, i'm just following blueprints lol)

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock do you want me to add flaps to the model? It takes like 0 extra work and might possibly be used one day

[olive hemlock]

I'd rather you didn't because none of the planes have them

btw here's J-5

[wheat laurel]

that was only used in official government documents. almost everywhere including in the Air Force it’s called the CF-5

i love the cf-5 and hope that it’ll get added once i model it

[young dagger]

Ok I have to go but can you see if this looking good for now? I will be away for the weekend, if I finish the model by Monday/Tuesday, will it make the update?
EDIT: @olive hemlock

also I'll add actual ailerons ofc lol

slightly improved

[olive hemlock]

looks great so far!

there is a world in which I update turnfight before monday/tuesday but it's also easy to wait, if you want me to

[young dagger]

Ok, if that's alright it would be nice if you could... or I suppose you could do the update and then add in the plane seperately but I'm not sure if you do that type of thing

[olive hemlock]

cool, I'll wait! the main risk is I get sucked into another voxmaxa update 😅

(but maybe I should be working on turnfight missiles )

[young dagger]

once I finish the J-7 on monday I could quickly model some Magics, Sidewinders, and PL-xxx (i have to wiki search) missiles once (if) you make the mechanics

Ok well I'll call it here for now but I'm pretty happy with it, lots of work is still needed obviously but looking good so far

[olive hemlock]

yup, very nice so far! 👏 🔥

[mortal token]

Good model but what is that soap bubble of a cockpit?

[steel heron]

Add that nose antenna too

[steel heron]

That can be fixed💀

[steel heron]

The silvery texture like the Sabre and J5

[halcyon phoenix]

Reflection :o

There is secret world in blender lol

[steel heron]

huhh🧐

A park?

[halcyon phoenix]

looks so

[mortal token]

I wanted a squirrel staring at your soul to be the reflection

[wheat laurel]

if you do add missiles, i can model the British Sea Vixen. it has a very unique look and is only armed with missiles, providing unique gameplay.

[mortal token]

I have a guy on my discord who already modelled them himself. I might ask him to share the models.

[young dagger]

they might not fit the game’s standard tho
Still not a bad idea

[young dagger]

I’ll fix that when i can, currently mobile and as far as i know blender does not have mobile versions. If it does the controls are probably sh- …akey and hard to use

[mortal token]

update when

[olive hemlock]

yesterday, I finished the voxmaxa update I was working on, and today I started preparing the A6M zero for the game. at the request of sirsnow, I will wait until the J-7 model is also ready.

[steel heron]

YES

[olive hemlock]

fixed some issues, shading looks smoother now

soon, I'll add the extra data required for the game can load it

feedback so far:

• very good model 🔥
• in the future, consider enabling the 'face orientation' display mode and flipping red (inverted) faces (many faces were flipped)

[young dagger]

I'll see if I can apply your wisdom to my J-7 model
also from the image it seems that somehow the A6M3 became an A6M2, must have rendered weird on my end but i'm happy anyway lol

also if missiles do get added will the A-10 have AIM-9s or will it stick to just its gun
oh and given that (unless Owl finishes the CF-5) the J-7 will be alone on a level I suppose there is no real reason to hold the update for a plane that won't be added yet (I don't think you like single-plane-levels but perhaps I am mistaken)

[olive hemlock]

I'm not sure which planes will get missiles, but the goal are balance, realism, and playability

single plane levels are fine at higher levels

[young dagger]

Ok.
Also here is a slightly updated J-7. All that was changed was the canopy. I'll finish the model tomorrow, and model PL-2, AIM-9, and Magic missiles too if I have time

[olive hemlock]

thanks! btw, this is what you would see if you enabled Face Orientation mode. you could then go in and flip red faces ("flip normals" in edit mode)

first time loading it in-game (no propeller yet, I'm considering automating the propeller-blur mesh generation)

[mortal token]

woah

[olive hemlock]

btw there are still some issues I will fix. this isn't the final look.

automating propeller mostion blur mesh generation, attempt 1

attempt 2

[steel heron]

Now THAT

Is what I call an update

[olive hemlock]

almost there

[olive hemlock]

now with an automatically-blurred propeller

[olive hemlock]

now with more accurate (?) blue and yellow colors on the bottom and leading edges

[halcyon phoenix]

Can't wait to do F4U vs zero dogfight

[steel heron]

Im waiting

[steel heron]

Add it!

To Turnfight!

@halcyon phoenix

We will do a formation

[steel heron]

What will its health stats, damage be?

And weight?

[mortal token]

Can I shoot him down. Ill shoot him down....Ill make it look like an accident....I will frickin shoot him down.

[steel heron]

Is something wrong

[mortal token]

No

its a dialogue

[steel heron]

oh

[halcyon phoenix]

ofc and fly in submarines too

[steel heron]

How can we fly 'in' submarines?

Lol

[halcyon phoenix]

wdym?

[steel heron]

yea

Thats what I mean

[steel heron]

😂

[wheat laurel]

i've just started work on the f-104 starfighter as my first plane and will then do the cf-5 afterwards since it's more complex. i probably won't be done in time for the next update though, but that's okay :)

that zero looks 🔥 btw

[tawny steeple]

looks cool awesome! 🔥 👏 @young dagger

[tawny steeple]

Owl power lol

[tawny steeple]

it would look more nice if it gets japans red circle in its wings 😉

[young dagger]

due to the fact that none of the planes have markings like that I find it rather unlikely

[young dagger]

also my blueprints did have external cannons I think it was just a model thing
very exciting to see it in a game setting!
Also, why do all (almost all) the planes have blue undersides in turnfight? Is it for camoflauge?

[tawny steeple]

but wld look cool >_<

[young dagger]

I mean it would be cool to have the french markings on mirage too but clearly not happening lol

[steel heron]

😧

I wish

How come a simple red circle wouldnt be possible to add

As turnfight only supports solid colors, cant just a simple red circle on both wings be added?, is that so much to process?

But hey so far it looks really cool, Im happy with what has been made so far, clearly impressive

Im just saying the red circle would be the perfect final touch

Maybe because ive never used blender, im not sure how it works

[young dagger]

I think it's less of a possibility issue as much as keeping all the planes the same, and some planes have much more complex designs

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock Here is an updated J-7 model (I changed the canopy version so it looks less goofy)
The final major things I'll do is add the guns and the pedo tube (or whatever that pole is) in front. After that I'll just touch up some stuff but then it should be done (also I can add hardpoint attachments if you want)

[young dagger]

With guns (might need some touch-ups) and the pole thing in the front

[olive hemlock]

looks really good, thanks for making it!

[young dagger]

So do you want me to add the hardpoint attachments or...
Also I'm not sure if you want different missiles models or they all look the same not based on their preformance quality

[olive hemlock]

hardpoints are great, yes! I mean, like everything else they should be simple shapes, not too much detail.

missiles are great. I think the game will start with only heat seeking missiles like AIM-9 sidewinder, and foreign equivalents

[young dagger]

Ok. I can model the PL-2 (chinese reverse engineered AIM-9) after I make the J-7. Then I can make the AIM-9, and If you want the Magic too, although the Mirage does carry AIM-9s as well

[young dagger]

Unless @olive hemlock thinks it needs more work, I think the model is done. I have properly scaled it, added in the pilot and his legendary chair, and added 2 hardpoints for missiles.
I'll make the PL-2, then the AIM-9, and finally if I can, the Magic.

[olive hemlock]

thanks, this is amazing! I will finish preparing it for the game.

[young dagger]

Ok, glad you like it ;D

Thanks for making these games lol

[steel heron]

I cant wait to see it fly

[wheat laurel]

about how many loop cuts should the average fuselage have for turnfight models?

[olive hemlock]

0 unnecessary ones (that don't contribute much to the shape), any amount of necessary ones

total vertex/triangle count should be similar to existing models

[young dagger]

also 20 vertices per circle max I think

[olive hemlock]

yes, 20 for fuselage circle, fewer for smaller circles. fewest usually ends up being 6 or 8, for a cable or gun.

[young dagger]

Here's the PL2 model. I assume that you won't have moving fins in the game so I kept the frontal guide fins as one object but can separate them if you wish
(also I'll give you the statement for the J-7 and the PL-2, once I scale it properly)

I, sirsnowrepuls_13198, state the following:

J7.blend © 2026 by [SSL] sirsnow (sirsnowrepuls_13198) is licensed under CC BY 4.0. To view a copy of this license, visit https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

[olive hemlock]

just so you know, the game uses shape keys to move parts, so same part vs. separate part doesn't matter much

but yeah, I'm not going to worry about the missile's fins in-game

thanks for the PL2 model. I will add a solidify modifier to the fins, because zero-thickness faces will be invisible from the "back" side

[young dagger]

Oh ok, thanks

well actually

I'm scaling it

so I may as well thicken the fins and then give you the model and statement

[wheat laurel]

i have an aim-9 model that i made for mk48.io, but idk if it's high enough quality

[young dagger]

One day, maybe not too long from now

[wheat laurel]

yeah mine is probably too low quality

it also doesn't match the blueprints 100%

[young dagger]

I didn't even have blueprints for PL-2 so it's probably not too big of an issue lol
(I couldn't find any so I just went off of a picture I found on wikipedia)

[wheat laurel]

oh lol

i already gave squirrel the model and the rights to use it for mk48, so he could choose to use it here if it's good enough. but missiles aren't very complex anyways, so making a new one would be fine too.

canopies and intakes on the other hand drive me insane to make 😅

[umbral dawn]

i smell missile

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock here is the propely scaled missile (according to wikipedia measurements which I trust, perhaps wrongly, with my life)
also the fins have been 3d-ified

I, sirsnowrepuls_13198, state the following:

PL2.blend © 2026 by [SSL] sirsnow (sirsnowrepuls_13198) is licensed under CC BY 4.0. To view a copy of this license, visit https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

[young dagger]

The model:

[mortal token]

wow, a lot of developments here

@young dagger Youre GOATED

squilmunk too

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock I don't know if you will do it or if you want me to but the stabilizers on the J-7 are 2D so the modifier you mentioned will need to be applied

[olive hemlock]

I don't see any 2D stabilizers, which ones?

[young dagger]

Oh well it seems I already made them 3D and they might not be stabilizers but I meant the fins under the engine

[olive hemlock]

cool! the only thing that should be 2D is transparent stuff like the cockpit canopy, because you only see the outside.

[young dagger]

By the way, are the guns alright? They seem a little clunky

like they don't smoothly blend into the fuselage like I'd like

[mortal token]

They seem alright to me

[olive hemlock]

they look fine and the shadow cast by the plane will probably make them look better

blender doesn't do shadows in material preview

[young dagger]

What's your level plan for the update? Will the Zero break the lvl 2 into two parts, like you said? I thought that the J-7 would fit between the F-86 and A-10 levels, but I'm not sure what you have planned

[wheat laurel]

when do you plan to realease the update? is it in like the next few days or a week or more?

just so i know if my f-104 will be ready in time (assuming you would like to add it)

[young dagger]

idk if you are already doing this but a tip I would say for the intakes is to make sparate meshes, makes it a lot easier

[wheat laurel]

oops 💀

[young dagger]

well it's not wrong the other way it's just harder when I tried it

[wheat laurel]

my intake looks alright, but the splitter plate is going to be tough

[olive hemlock]

I'm not sure if the A6M's rudder was an intentional choice based on your blueprint, but every blueprint I found looked more like this, so I changed it

[olive hemlock]

this might be the final model

[young dagger]

Ok, thanks.
The blueprints I had were a little vague at the top of the rudder but it looked like a smooth curve inwards so I simplified it to what I had in my final version, maybe I just misunderstood

[young dagger]

Awesome! By the way, what are those arrow things on the guns? I noticed them on other models too, are they just to tell your game system where the bullets should come from?

Also the metal on the canopy could have been much better done, in hindsight, but I didn't know how to assign different materials within a mesh. If you want I can fix it or you can just let it stay the way it is

[olive hemlock]

exactly, and the name defines the gun type and stats

[olive hemlock]

it's fine

to assign different materials in a mesh, add multiple materials to the object. in edit mode, select face(s) and click assign on the material

[young dagger]

yeah I figured it out luckily before making the J-7 canopy 😅

[young dagger]

sorry to keep bugging you but as far as I could see, the machine guns didn't have those arrows, is there a reason for that?
Or maybe I just didn't see 'em

[olive hemlock]

they do, but the wireframe of the boolean is getting in the way

[wheat laurel]

wow so cool!

[young dagger]

Also I realized that I may have incorrectly scaled the plane... corsair should be bigger so I am hoping that I got the ratio correct and didn't use the reciprocal

I'll check

[olive hemlock]

it (A6M) wasn't the right scale but I fixed it

[young dagger]

Oh sorry 💀

[olive hemlock]

np

your models are still easier to add than models I hired various freelancers to make for $200 each

[wheat laurel]

just wait until you see my abomination of a plane 😅

[young dagger]

I'm realising I'm just an unpaid employee
jk lol I do this with my free time and I do it for my own fun (both in the designing and actually playing the game elements) lol

[olive hemlock]

if we ever start paying the community or (more likely) donating to charity for each contribution, it will be retroactive.

for more: #contributors message

[young dagger]

you should start a premium and add a lot of russain planes and make them super overpowered, and rename the game to like thunderingwar.com or something like that, I think people would like it a lot

[olive hemlock]

😂

[mortal token]

Maybe a J-15

🐿️

[young dagger]

but realistically (ok well not really but more than my last post) speaking, it would be really cool if mk48 and turnfight joined and there were 3D ships and player-controlled aircraft carriers

[mortal token]

SU-30MKI -[Indian]

[olive hemlock]

my hamster wheel never stops spinning

[mortal token]

I thought you had a pet squilmunk

nvm imma go to bed...i got exam tmrrw

[wheat laurel]

mk48 in 3d 😮

[mortal token]

need to catch a train

[olive hemlock]

the squirrels live outdoors and sometimes look in my windows

[olive hemlock]

basically Cold Waters

[mortal token]

https://tenor.com/view/peeking-squirrel-viralhog-hide-looking-huh-gif-16930058

[wheat laurel]

good luck

[mortal token]

ty

[young dagger]

have a good exam

[wheat laurel]

slowly but surely looking more and more like an f-104 👀

[young dagger]

Looks great! 🔥

@olive hemlock so upon further inspection of photographs, it appears that the J7s with a curved lower-tail-stabilizer only has one stabilizer, while the sharper edged one has two stabilizers. My model has two curved ones, so I'll reduce that to one and then give you the updated model

[olive hemlock]

alright, however I really don't mind if variations are mixed

also, don't worry about it this time. I've already started working on the model, and making this change (or not making it) is much easier than you doing it

[wheat laurel]

today's progress:

tomorrow ima add things like flaps and other details (such as cockpit, pylons, cannon etc)

[young dagger]

this looks amazing 🔥 i'm excited!
one thing I'll point out is that for me (I know you have a lot more experience in blender than I do, so this might be case-specific to me), it's a lot easier to model the canopy if my fuselage is more or less straight (no intense angles like what you have near the canopy). Then I can do the indent for the pilot and the canopy much easier since the canopy-fuselage connections are easier to make
might just be me though
EDIT: but maybe squirrel is going to be like "oh yeah it's easy for you but I have to come in and totally rework the fusege near the canopy because it looks weird on the inside, I just didn't tell you" so idk

[olive hemlock]

your canopies did not require any fixes

[young dagger]

ok, great
you may want to solidify (make a face) at the point in the canopy behind the chair like shown here

[olive hemlock]

looks awesome 🎉

[young dagger]

have the guns been linked yet? (I don't know how your personal beta works but I imagine that planes dont need guns to fly)

[olive hemlock]

yeah, I added guns. last step is control surfaces. (well, and missiles)

the model

[young dagger]

some ideas I had for missiles:

1. how to tell what weapon is selected. while it's clunky to have little icons like in mk48, you would have some reasonably noticable text somewhere that says "GUN" or "MSL" or maybe one day, "BMB" or "RKT". You can switch between your weapons with a key (button in mobile) defaulted at Z (or X) that is changeable in settings.
2. the sighting hud. instead of a little cross that says more or less where the rounds will end up, the missile system need a locking hud. it could be like a circle, and a square within if locked. there would have to be certain tracking abilities (you can't shoot a missile at someone behind you, especially not with heatseekers)
3. the point of view the victim. they should get a little warning like "lock warning," and then "missile track warning" when the missile is actually following you. The text should be slightly above the text that says "pull up" so that you can know both things at once (that you need to avoid the sea and that you need to evade a missile). also, flaring shouldn't be the only way to lose a missiles - in real life, some evasive maneuvers can work so make sure that the missiles aren't overpowered and the early ones don't have a turn rate of a mosquito and. As for the flares, they could be bound to a key/button (changeable key defaulted as J or smth like that) or be considered another weapon along with GUN and MSL, as FLR.

[olive hemlock]

1. perhaps, or maybe you can use any weapon without selecting it
2. yes
3. yes

[young dagger]

i considered that but how would it work? the problem to me seems that you would need different keys for different weapons, or you would be forced to shoot a missiles if it locks, when you really just want to use your guns and save missiles for a more favorable time

[olive hemlock]

yeah, you're right

but having flares be a two step process sounds annoying

[young dagger]

yeah, I agree
but the pyrotechnics could be set to a key, unlike the main weapons

[olive hemlock]

why can't main weapons be a key?

[young dagger]

I mean they could the only issue I see is that the numbers are already taken because of leveling up options
and then you would have to use non-numbers which works but may be a little non-intuitive for new players

but anyway it's whatever you want ofc lol, you are the dev and you know a lot more about this than I do

[olive hemlock]

I never unlocked jets or missiles in War Thunder

my experience comes from Simple Planes and the BD Armory mod for KSP

oh, and Ravenfield

and Ace Combat many years ago

anyway, my point is that your suggestions are helpful!

[young dagger]

I play a free in-browser version of ravenfield lol
it's actually quite impressive (i'm going off-topic but here is an image)

lol

anyway

[olive hemlock]

oh wow it updated

[steel heron]

How much damage do the guns do?

[olive hemlock]

or maybe this is unofficial

[olive hemlock]

as much per bullet as any other 30mm cannon in turnfight. I seem to be able to get fairly easy kills with it, due to the high rate of fire.

[steel heron]

How fast do Aircraft get shot down?

Like in seconds

And what is it's in-game speed?

And weight?

[young dagger]

same armament as Mirage, slightly worse plane

[steel heron]

I hope I can use it as my main aircraft that's what I'm thinking

I don't know how reliable it is

Like the A-10 can lead the entire server and destroy everyone

The plane looks amazing so far

[young dagger]

it's unofficial and has naval mods, modern mods, awesome helicopters and planes. super cool game notices laser on head but of course, turnfight is better for aerial dogfighting gameplay

[olive hemlock]

it's the fastest plane by far

[olive hemlock]

decently fast

[steel heron]

What speed exactly in kmph?

In-game

[steel heron]

Ok

[young dagger]

so then what level will it be? how will it be balanaced, just low health?

[olive hemlock]

idk, the top speed is what wikipedia says

[young dagger]

sorry for all the questions

[steel heron]

What is it

[olive hemlock]

2,200 km/h (1,400 mph, 1,200 kn)

[olive hemlock]

um, until further notice, a new level between J5 and Mirage levels

[steel heron]

Pretty much the same as Mirage

[olive hemlock]

oh, I see, in-game mirage has a nerfed speed of ~1400km/h

[steel heron]

Yeah

[olive hemlock]

should I nerf J7 speed or buff Mirage F1 speed?

[steel heron]

Ive tried reaching it many times

[young dagger]

both, a little bit
also maybe buff corsair speed I think it goes faster irl

[steel heron]

Bro what is this nerfing and buffing

Is it required?

[young dagger]

nerf=make worse
buff=make better

[steel heron]

But why nerf

[young dagger]

well balance mainly

[olive hemlock]

I think I remember what I was doing: using the "cruise speed" not the max speed

the problem is the cruise speed isn't always on wikipedia

[steel heron]

Approx

[steel heron]

.

And please buff the turn rate😭

@olive hemlock

Why do you have to even think about doing it?

[young dagger]

but only for keyboard controls, right?

[olive hemlock]

I did some more research, and the J7 is going to have a turnfight-speed of 1300km/h

[steel heron]

Yes yes

[steel heron]

Everytime I think , am I flying a Super Guppy or a Vampire?

An A380 or a Vampire?

A 747 or a Vampire?

[young dagger]

to be fair the vampire does have a good turn rate with normal controls

[steel heron]

Thanks for the tip

But what about other Aircraft

[olive hemlock]

why does this always happen

[steel heron]

What are the missiles doing?

[young dagger]

seems like a scaling and rotation issue but why i have no idea

[steel heron]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-fish-spognebob-phone-gif-3064144843174203984

[olive hemlock]

it's because the game uses a complex process to load models and it has many bugs. I can fix it.

[steel heron]

You sure can fix it

[olive hemlock]

fixed it

* except that missiles need to be offset downward so that their top, not middle, is touching the hardpoint

[steel heron]

Ahh great

[steel heron]

Do the missiles work or are you still on it?

[olive hemlock]

no, right now they are expensive paperweights

[steel heron]

Now

-# when is this update gonna happen?

https://tenor.com/view/depressed-spongebob-sad-window-reaction-tired-gif-10253815500718173973

[olive hemlock]

J7 - 2,200 km/h
F1 Mirage - 2,338 km/h
My hamster wheel - 9,000 km/h

[steel heron]

I didn't ask speed!!!

Well

Ive to wait another few years then 🥺

@olive hemlock

I won't breathe until you tell me

They gave a date for GTA 6

You should too

I'm not forcing

I'm requesting

[wheat laurel]

thanks for the tips, I’ll keep them in mind!

also wow! the J7 and the missiles look incredible! nice work guys 💯

[olive hemlock]

I have created the perfect spawnkilling machin....uh oh

[mortal token]

buh

How do we lock the target WE want to kill?

@olive hemlock

[wheat laurel]

nerf the reload and maybe add a max g force the missiles can turn?

the PL-2 for example has a max of 10 Gs irl

(in war thunder even props can dodge it as long as they turn)

[olive hemlock]

I'll add a locking feature

[mortal token]

We also need flares

[olive hemlock]

yeah

[wheat laurel]

oh also, the PL-2 is rear aspect only

[young dagger]

for balance purposes maybe they shouldnt lock low-level planes

[wheat laurel]

in war thunder they can’t really lock props in most cases since it’s rear aspect and the prop engine is too small a heat signature and is at the front

[olive hemlock]

what does that mean?

[young dagger]

only targets the heat signature that comes from the rear of a plane

[olive hemlock]

hmm, ok, good to know

[wheat laurel]

essentially it can only lock from behind the enemy. it makes it useless in head ons .

[young dagger]

how does AIM-9 compare?

[wheat laurel]

depends on the version

some are rear aspect 10G max and others are all aspect IRCCM 50 G + max

[young dagger]

you clearly know your missiles

[wheat laurel]

lol i did a bunch of research to help me play war thunder 😅

if the f-104 gets added it should get between 2-6 (ideally 4) AIM-9 B or AIM-9J. the AIM-9B is virtually identical to the PL-2 (rear aspect 10G max) while the AIM-9J is better (rear aspect 20G max).

[steel heron]

This looks really GOOD

how about a Laser Guided Missile?

[olive hemlock]

one major update at a time 😉

Cr42Falco, Ki10, B17 => 1
A6mZero, Bf109 => 2
F4uCorsair, Spitfire => 3
Me262, Vampire => 4
F86Sabre, J5 => 5
J7 => 6
A10Thunderbolt, MirageF1 => 7

here are the planned levels. I'm going to make Spitfire reload a bit faster, and I'll probably make Corsair fly a bit faster.

[steel heron]

great

Thanks @olive hemlock

Appreciate it

[steel heron]

But we will still start playing from level 2 right?

At the start of a game

[steel heron]

Piece of art

[steel heron]

Will the option for players to be able to use the A6M Zero at the start or it depends on their rank?

Just asking

Im an ace not a mechanic

lol

[olive hemlock]

of course, it's level 2 and level 2 is the initial level

[halcyon phoenix]

wow so much have happened

🔥

[steel heron]

Now we have to wait.......

Until

i t c o m e s

[tawny steeple]

cool 🔥 W

[steel heron]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

[wheat laurel]

for the ailerons, do we just cut out the wing and make it a separate piece that fits perfectly?

[steel heron]

Can you tell me the name of the song you use in your MK48 vids?

Its actually kinda epic

[steel heron]

@tawny steeple

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock more about missiles and flares:
for missiles that have proximity fuse (most do), they don't need to hit the plane to explode. there might be some that don't have proxy fuse, though, especially if a level gets added some other time with F-4 and MiG-19 (some other licensing)
also, just because a missile goes for flares doesn't mean it's not active - if some poor fellowe happens to fly behind the flares and the missile flies through and tracks them instead or simply explodes by proxy fuse, the damage should still be dealt.
and for flares, I think it would be nice if they worked similar to weapons in the sense that you have a certain amount before reloading. so it might say "8 FLR" and each time you press F it shoots a pair of flares. Holding F dumps them. Then, they reload with a time count, like everything else.
This way, you could give realistic balance to planes like A-10, which would carry more flares than Mirage.
Somehow, you would need a basic formula that figures out what the missile will track based on how far its infared can see, how many flares, strength of engine, etc.
And missiles should have a certain damage that varies on how far away the victim is from the explosion, so not neccesarily instakills for all things.

EDIT: oh and finally I couldn't find any J-7s with a blue paintjob so I think another pretty paintjob is dark brown like in the Myanmar Air Force

[steel heron]

https://tenor.com/view/nightmare-waking-up-scary-startled-fire-department-chronicles-gif-11915708574184454759

[steel heron]

This kinda scared me for a sec..

[young dagger]

ok lol

@olive hemlock oh and will there be a public beta at some point or no

[young dagger]

hmm, why corsair > Bf09? The DPS are super different, also Corsair v Zero was a common fight irl as well as Bf109 v Spitfire
whatever you want tho

[mortal token]

Exam over, went well

holy, lots of debate here

[steel heron]

Ive already started preparing for finals which is at the end of the year

Ive gotta ace it

[halcyon phoenix]

I have final test this weekend

after that I'm freee

All exams done already

But that test is most important tbh

[young dagger]

a potential color for the J7 since I couldnt find pictures of blue ones irl

[wheat laurel]

would be unique

i'm almost done the f-104, i just need to add the gun, canopy, and then textures

i think if added it could fit at the same level as J7

[young dagger]

nice! here's the paint job I was trying to simplify, from the Myanmar air force

[wheat laurel]

irl Mig-21 / J7 were direct adversaries to the F-104

[young dagger]

Yeah, perfect for eachother in the level

[wheat laurel]

ah that looks good

i wish we could have actual camo schemes cause IMO the f-104 would look best in the west german camo

[steel heron]

Our exams are continuos

For 7 days

And then we are free after that

[halcyon phoenix]

we can talk in off topic

[steel heron]

yea lets go

[olive hemlock]

I'd need a seamless camo texture

[wheat laurel]

not sure if i know how to do that lol

[young dagger]

why does the F-86 have such stronger machine guns? I mean I get that the guns get better over time, even if they are the same caliber but still I feel like that gap is a bit too big. Maybe the corsair could get a damage buff as well as a speed buff?

[olive hemlock]

1.42x higher fire rate (bullets per second) -> 1.42x more DPS

corsair can fire longer without reloading

[young dagger]

I see, thanks.
btw, why is bf109 in lvl 2 rather than lvl 3 with spitfire? It seems like a heavier hitter, like spitfire, but maybe I'm wrong

[olive hemlock]

I could switch them!

[young dagger]

Ok, I think that would make sense. Also, the Bf109 fought the spitfire, while the Zero fought the Corsair (mainly), in the pacific theatre.

[olive hemlock]

yeah, I'll swap Corsair and Bf109

[wheat laurel]

how do you check total vertice and face count?

and what should it be for turnfight models?

[olive hemlock]

easiest way is to export as GLTF, import back into blender (empty project), and view the "statistics" of the model

e.g.

[wheat laurel]

ah okay perfect!

[olive hemlock]

e.g. no2

btw, I often trim out useless or minimally useful vertices, edges, and triangles from submitted models

[wheat laurel]

also any tips for making the canopy? and should the gun port be part of the fusuelage or a separate object?

oh also, do you want me to add materials or just send in the model

[olive hemlock]

gun port
depends how it looks

[wheat laurel]

ah okay

[olive hemlock]

materials
please Append materials from one of the existing planes and get it approximately right

[young dagger]

if it's a faring then a boolean modifier on a separate object is easier

[wheat laurel]

do you have the mirage f1 model so i can append from it?

[olive hemlock]

canopy
I recommend making it zero-thickness, the right shape, and then add in the metal strips via material

[wheat laurel]

thanks

[tawny steeple]

I lost count , how many new planes are being modelled or modelled and are accepted to be added soon in turnfight .. ?

[olive hemlock]

A6M Zero and J-7 are done, F104 Starfighter is WIP

(and missiles are being added to J-7, A10, F1 Mirage, and F104 if added)

[tawny steeple]

oh ok cool

wait wht kind of missiles , like unguided or guided or locked target or heat sensing ?

[olive hemlock]

basic AIM-9 Sidewinder and foreign equivalents

[young dagger]

no radio missiles yet

[tawny steeple]

hmm interesting

[young dagger]

since they would require chaff but hopefully one day

[tawny steeple]

wht abt bombs >_<

flares .. therE?

[young dagger]

not yet lol

[tawny steeple]

oh then beyond cooked

[young dagger]

flares will need to be added

[tawny steeple]

yeah otherwise the pro wld just eliminate all under leveled planes

[young dagger]

well since AIM-9s and PL-2s are not able to lock prop planes it should be fine

idk abt magics tho

[tawny steeple]

oh

[wheat laurel]

magics are really good

[tawny steeple]

oh nice , awaiting to see them in-game soon 🙂

[olive hemlock]

F-22 and F-35 are coming 😉

[wheat laurel]

like even just the magic 1 is 35G overload rear-aspect

[tawny steeple]

seriously 👀

[young dagger]

Mirage made the F-35 and F-22 with the F-22, right?

[wheat laurel]

magic 2 is all aspect

[olive hemlock]

with?

[young dagger]

i mean like who designed which

[tawny steeple]

O_o

[olive hemlock]

well, I don't assume that anyone will contribute them for free

I just plan to add them by whatever means are possible

[young dagger]

oh I see I was mixed up on what I saw in other threads then

[wheat laurel]

A-10 gets AIM-9 L all aspect 30G missiles 💀

[tawny steeple]

any plan to add red circles on zero ? and respective symbols on other planes too like star

[olive hemlock]

at the moment, I don't plan to add national symbols

[tawny steeple]

ooh

[young dagger]

maybe the AIM-9J would be more balanced
also A-10 should have a ton of flares

[wheat laurel]

if you add F-22 and F-35 they would get the AIM-9X which has over 50Gs of max overload 🫠

[tawny steeple]

torpedo bomber for tht sub maybe 💀

[young dagger]

honestly a dauntless would be cool since it has a turret gun and a main gun

[tawny steeple]

air defence on the sub wld be epic

[young dagger]

yeah i made a post on that i think

[tawny steeple]

oh

[young dagger]

great minds think alike

[tawny steeple]

~~anyways yall do it slowly , we need a mk update before turnfight ~~ 😉 turnfight gonna get cool

[wheat laurel]

add mig-25 lol. mach 3 top speed XD

[olive hemlock]

generally, the in-game top speed is the sea-level top speed not the high-altitude top speed

[tawny steeple]

add all the abve lol

[wheat laurel]

fair enough lol

this one would be cool though:

[tawny steeple]

can float? on water

[wheat laurel]

de havilland sea vixen. it looks really cool and has a unique missile-only armament.

[wheat laurel]

no, unfortunately

oh WAIT. add the Sea Dart lol. it's a floating fighter jet

[tawny steeple]

ahh looks a like speedboat with wings yet cant sad 😭

[tawny steeple]

XD

[wheat laurel]

XD

now that would be cool

it gets 4 x 20mm cannons, 2 x AIM-9 sidewinders, and air-to-air rockets. it has a top speed of mach 1.25 and can go on water.

[tawny steeple]

better for mk ig

[wheat laurel]

it has no anti-ship weapons though. it would be kinda useless in mk

not sure what the floating part would be good for in turnfight, but it's cool and unique.

[young dagger]

@wheat laurel I made a basic video on how I make canopies. You are more experienced than I but here in case you want it: https://canva.link/xvaetg61eust2c4

[wheat laurel]

awesome thanks! i don't really have much experience with planes so this helps a lot. i'm only good at ships lol.

[young dagger]

you are very good at ships, lol

@olive hemlock will there be a public beta (at some point) or no

[wheat laurel]

progress update:

still trying to fix the canopy and a bunch of other things

planes are a lot harder than ships lol

[young dagger]

my suggestion would be to rework the fusalge near the canopy so that it goes slightly over the line that you see in the blueprint bordering the canopy, and then retry the canopy since it will be simpler
still looks good though 🔥
(also the whole plane is amazing)

[young dagger]

cute lil MiGlet

[umbral dawn]

imagine if they come before, they come to wt

[wheat laurel]

can't do it 😭. tried fixing it but i just broke it even more. the f-104 is delayed until further notice. might be added next next update

[umbral dawn]

it would be better to lable the one on the f4u as "12.7mm caliber Browning M2 machine guns"
And the ones on the f86 "12.7mm caliber Browning M3 machine guns" to avoid futher confusion.

[olive hemlock]

maybe

[mortal token]

Hell yeahh

[young dagger]

when you do reapproach the model try to make the front fuselage smooth, it will make the canopy design easier
EDIT: sorry i know i've said that a lot lol but it's true

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock have you made a basic flare system yet? It seems like it would be graphically hard as well as hard to test missile track formulas since you would need a bot to shoot at you

[olive hemlock]

sorry, no, I was busy with other things today. I will add flares before updating Turnfight, though!

[young dagger]

ok no worries ofc!
ill make the AIM-9 B (for F-104) and AIM-9 J (for A-10), and also Magic (mid version for mirage f1) when I can.

oh and for simplicity reasons I won't include the fancy tail spinner for stabilization (looks the same from far away, anyway) for the AIM-9s

[wheat laurel]

I’ll try to finish the f-104 tomorrow since i made a bit more progress on the canopy, if the update is not for at least a couple days then i should have it ready for the update.

[young dagger]

missiles and flares will probably take some time so you should be good

[wheat laurel]

perfect!

it’s just taking some time cause this is my first detailed plane ever modelled and i really want it to look good

my last plane was an f-35 for mk48, and it didn’t go too well. squirrel knows 💀

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock

AIM9B.blend © 2026 by [SSL] sirsnow (sirsnowrepuls_13198) is licensed under CC BY 4.0. To view a copy of this license, visit https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

The J version next

Oh and I didn't scale it since it seem you do that anyway - I can if you want later but my current main goal is to get the models done

[young dagger]

AIM-9 J

@olive hemlock

AIM9J.blend © 2026 by [SSL] sirsnow (sirsnowrepuls_13198) is licensed under CC BY 4.0. To view a copy of this license, visit https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

hopefully the files aren't too large

[mortal token]

damnn

[young dagger]

missiles aren't too difficult they are basically just body and 2 fins, R.550 has 3 fins

[olive hemlock]

thanks so much! by the way, is there a reason they all have similar paint? the AIM 9's I know are darker colored

[mortal token]

@olive hemlock Can turnfight have a weapons panel at the bottom of the screen like mk48?

[young dagger]

I was just going based of WT paint jobs for simplicity but yeah whatever you want will work
(wt pics I found on google. i dont have the game lol)

And finally, the R.550. I'm going to sleep now lol, gn

@olive hemlock

R.550Magic2.blend © 2026 by [SSL] sirsnow (sirsnowrepuls_13198) is licensed under CC BY 4.0. To view a copy of this license, visit https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

[olive hemlock]

not quite, because mk48 has the mouse available for clicking it and turnfight doesn't. it will have to be at least slightly different.

[young dagger]

looks clunky, too
Probably a better option is like SELECTED: GUN or MSL

also squirrel the guns will stay together right? Like in ravenfield you have to select machine gun vs ground attack cannon (if you plane or heli has both) but in turnfight even with missiles that make weapon selection needed, the guns will stay as on weapon, hopefully

hmm @wheat laurel should the mirage f1 get magic 1 or 2? I realise that having all-aspect targeting in that level may be too overpowered. If it does keep the 2, then the A-10 would need the L variant of AIM-9 so I think I would rather replace the magic 2 with magic 1

[wheat laurel]

yeah i think for balance reasons just give them the Magic 1 and Aim-9J respectively.

cause then for jets it would all make sense. Me262 and Vampire for ww2 jets, then J5 and F-86 for Korean war era jets, then F-104 and J7 for early cold war and early missiles (AIM-9B and PL-2), and then Mirage and A-10 with mid-cold war missiles.

and that would save all-aspect missiles for 4th and 5th gen fighters in the future.

[young dagger]

hopefully f15 and mig29 one day
F15 with AIM9L, F18 with AIM120C, F22 with AIM120D, and F35 with AIM9X

[wheat laurel]

yeah, or some eurocanards would be nice. planes like the eurofighter, rafale or gripen

[steel heron]

And then

-# F-22

[mortal token]

@young dagger Cruise missiles for a-10?

to take out subs

[young dagger]

pls no

noooo

anti-ship missiles if anything but lets focus on dogfights rn

AAMs are probably going to be a lag issue already
if A-10 gets anything more than the cannon and AIM-9Js, they should be bombs

@olive hemlock sorry but I realised that I made the wrong missile for Mirage - it should have R.550 Magic 1, not 2. The main difference is that in the R.550 Magic 1 you can see the seeker in the front dome.
My brain wouldn't let me allow the R.550 Magic 2 model to be used for Magic 1 even though they look almost identical

R.550Magic1.blend © 2026 by [SSL] sirsnow (sirsnowrepuls_13198) is licensed under CC BY 4.0. To view a copy of this license, visit https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

[halcyon phoenix]

I'll try to make gripen in future maybe

When I have too much time

[wheat laurel]

oh awesome! i love that aircraft!

[young dagger]

idk what it will look like here is my vague idea

[wheat laurel]

yeah that's kinda like war thunder

[young dagger]

oh idk i dont play it lol

[wheat laurel]

small circle is the lock and the big circle is the max angle the missile can lock from

i just bought my first war thunder premium at may sales. i have officialy sold my soul to the snail 😭

at least i get a Mirage F1

[young dagger]

still not valid

[wheat laurel]

XD

[olive hemlock]

please let me know if I understand. you point the big circle in a direction that covers the enemy (by flying your plane in that direction) and hope the right one is locked. if so, you fire. if not, wait?

[young dagger]

So my idea is:

1. yeah, you get the plane into the range (big circle)
2. a circle appears of a plane in the range. the targeting system automatically targets planes closer to the center of the range. Then, it cycles through the planes in the range, giving ~0.6 seconds per plane. Once the plane you want is circled, you click. That selected the plane.
3. Then, once you get lock, you fire.
   Seems like a weird system so maybe someone else has a better one

oh and the range also has a distance limit

[olive hemlock]

ok, I can do this.

it would be useful if someone made a google doc with a table, listing every missile and every relevant stat

I could do the research myself but that would take time and it seems like you already know the answers 🙂

[young dagger]

I just made that stuff up lol

it seemed to make sense

I think Owl knows a lot abt missiles

[olive hemlock]

I mean, stats like turn rate, which aspect it can seek from, speed, acceleration, burn time

[young dagger]

copilot could probably do it for me as long as I ask it to site wikipedia

i'll try

actually

since it's only like 5 missiles i'll do it manually lol

[young dagger]

does it have to be google docs?

[wheat laurel]

perhaps the easiest thing is to just have the following:

1. click "fire missile button" to activate seeker. this will turn on a small circle around the reticle.
2. when you place the reticle on an enemy plane within missile range, the circle turns red and you get a missile lock.
3. once locked, press the "fire missile button" again to launch

[olive hemlock]

no, any table

[wheat laurel]

in war thunder, the small circle is the seeker head and the large circle shows how far off the centerline you can fire once locked. the missile doesn't auto lock anything within the large circle. you must place the small circle on the enemy to get that solid lock. once locked you can move your nose away from the small circle and anywhere into the big circle whilst still maintaning lock. if the small circle leaves the big circle, then you will lose lock.

[olive hemlock]

is the small circle the same (in terms of position) as the small circle that is already in turnfight when you look around?

[wheat laurel]

yes

[olive hemlock]

ok, when you right click and hold in turnfight to look freely, should the missile circle detatch from the plane circle and follow the view?

[wheat laurel]

it depends on the missile. the newer ones you can. older ones no

in war thunder look around doesn't lock missiles unless it's a new jet with headmounted locking and targeting

for simplicity i would say no

i mean honestly whatever is easiest. i think just keeping it so that the missile will lock whatever enemy is in the small circle is best

like the AIM-9B and PL-2 don't have a big circle because their seeker has a very narrow viewing angle

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock hopefully this works

[olive hemlock]

thanks so much! please also include which plane has which missile

[young dagger]

ok

@olive hemlock

[olive hemlock]

thanks, very helpful!!

[mortal token]

I'd like if the colour was green, instead of red.

[young dagger]

I probably should have mentioned that all the missiles in the chart are rear-aspect only so they are useless in a headon

somehow you will have to determine if the plane is trackable or not based on its orientation relative to the missile

[olive hemlock]

that's easy, I can compute the angle between the enemy aircraft direction and the missile. but what is the cutoff? so far, I've done 45 degrees to be a bit forgiving to the missile.

[young dagger]

45 degrees off the back makes sense

[tawny steeple]

like this target lock would look good 💀

[olive hemlock]

I did 45 degrees off the front so far 💀

[young dagger]

gotta love the flying sub

[tawny steeple]

it was a glitch lol , but shld be there in turnfight in next year april fool

[young dagger]

maybe 90 degrees off of either side makes more sense (only targeting the rear side of that boundary)

[wheat laurel]

could the degrees change depending on missile type or no?

[olive hemlock]

yes, easily

[wheat laurel]

oh okay

let me lookup some real world values

[tawny steeple]

tbh whts going to happen to turnfight in 1 single update coming soon ... wld be entirely diff

[olive hemlock]

@Owl please review and expand on sirsnow's doc

[young dagger]

hopefully not too different, just some high-level additions and the zero

[wheat laurel]

the doc looks good 👍

[young dagger]

yay

[wheat laurel]

for range i'm assuming the values are max locking range

i also didn't know that there was a min range

[young dagger]

apparently there is i was surprised too

[wheat laurel]

are you sure that the PL-2 can't fire under 1.3 km?

seems strange tbh

[young dagger]

not entirely
there isn't a lot of data on it so i was kind of scraping

[wheat laurel]

i know generally early IR missiles had an optimal range of 1 - 2 km

and also the max lock ranges are like ideal circumstances where the target is moving in a straight line and everything is perfect. reslistically they would be much shorter

ik from experience in war thunder, the AIM-9b really isn't good beyond 3km

[young dagger]

i was abt to say, did you use to fly F-14s or smth

[wheat laurel]

no, i wish tho XD

[young dagger]

also my data is just from the web i know nothing abt missiles so i cant rlly tell you much srry

[wheat laurel]

all good. it's mostly accurate

according to reports on AIM-9B use in Vietnam, it had an ideal range of 1-2 km and a max of 3.5-4km in ideal conditions.

800m or so is min firing distance i think

oh also, it has 10G overload

[olive hemlock]

I will obviously be balancing the stats for game play, such as reducing the minimum range. the doc should include the real values.

[wheat laurel]

ig the important stats for turnfight would be speed, G load, aspect, min range, max range

[olive hemlock]

yeah, it would be nice to add aspect to the doc

[wheat laurel]

these are the stats i have based on internet sources for real-world values. max range is how far it can get a lock on a target. although the missiles can technically fly further, the chances of hitting the target are greatly reduced beyond this range.

and for balance reasons anything beyond these ranges would be too OP

[young dagger]

thanks! yours is a lot prettier, too 😛

@wheat laurel though i'm not sure if you should include the different warhead explosive amounts or not, and fuze stuff

[wheat laurel]

yeah i chose not to because i'm assuming that getting hit by a missile would 1 shot any plane

or actually i will just in case

[young dagger]

well I mean, not always
sometimes the fuse goes off but the plane maneuvered into a position that is far enough to only be severely damaged

[wheat laurel]

yeah it does happen

perhaps warhead size would affect how big the kill radius is

i know during the Iran-Iraq war, the AIM-54 Phoenix missile was credited with shooting down two aircraft with only a single shot because of how big the fragmentation cloud was.

133 lb warhead 💀

[young dagger]

that chubby missile? I'm not surprised lol

[wheat laurel]

there we go:

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock so that you don't need to add hardpoints to all these models, I can model a generic hardpoint that can be placed appropriately to hold the missile (I'll make a verion that hold one missile, and a version that holds two. Also, I can remove the hardpoints on the J-7 (I was planning to update the iant scheme color on it anyway))

[olive hemlock]

so far, I duplicated the J-7 hardpoint onto the A10 (making it slightly taller), and just put the missiles on the wingtips of Mirage

[young dagger]

Oh, ok. Though, you might want to make it a little longer, it seems that my idea of hardpoints was slightly inaccurate

do the hardpoints also have those weapon info arrows on them?

[olive hemlock]

yes but I'm still figuring out the details

[wheat laurel]

i've spent the whole day on the canpoy and gun port/fairing

hopefully they'll be good enough

[young dagger]

screenshot? 🔥

[wheat laurel]

ok, but to me it still looks kinda 💩

[young dagger]

self-critisism comes heavy in some

[young dagger]

that looks awesome

[wheat laurel]

trying to figure out the materials now

[young dagger]

copy-paste in the mirage for a start
I can help (verbally) from there if you want

[wheat laurel]

okay i'll try that

[wheat laurel]

ugh it's so annoying cause in order to access the mirage model i have to use a newer version of blender which is very buggy for some reason

at least now it's starting to look like something

[young dagger]

it's looking very pretty

@olive hemlock so the lvl 6 (j-7, f-104) planes will have 2 missiles, and lvl 7 (a-10, mirage f1) will have 2 missiles as well but better ones, and then later levels have more missiles, right?

[wheat laurel]

i just hope that squirrel won't have to do too much work fixing my model

very sorry if you do, i'm trying lol

[wheat laurel]

oops, i put 4 pylons on the f-104

eh, squirrel can remove two of them

depending on what he chooses

[olive hemlock]

sounds good to me

[steel heron]

🥵

Reading these messages are like

I can't keep up

[olive hemlock]

sorry, another thing came up #kiomet message

this will be delayed (approximately) another day

the DDoS stopped so I will go back to working on turnfight

it started again

[harsh lion]

whens the update coming out?

[olive hemlock]

probably within a few days

[young dagger]

If you will be doing the brown german scheme for the 104, I won't do brown on the J-7 but tan instead
(well actually squirrel would need to do it for the J-7 since he already prepared it)

[wheat laurel]

it’s okay, i can change the 104 colour

I’m not sure yet, but i plan to submit it to squirrel tomorrow

i might just do like the Air Force silver. still considering (it also depends on what squirrel prefers).

[young dagger]

no no the j7 color will need to be changed anyway i like the 104 being brown

its currently blue which doesnt make sense since there are no blue j7s irl

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock does the J-7 30mm cannon have the same RPM as the Mirage? Or is it a worse gun

[olive hemlock]

it will have 1000rpm. mirage is 1300rpm

[umbral dawn]

how will the m6a1 vulcan on the f104 be balenced out when added

[wheat laurel]

4000-6000 rpm 💀

the dps is boutta be insane lmao

[harsh lion]

what jets are being added?

[olive hemlock]

#turnfight message

[young dagger]

so basically the 120 rounds will be spent in a 2-second burst

[harsh lion]

that will be fun

[young dagger]

wait so what abt the AK-47 in vox, I'm sure that's being used quite a lot on both sides of the conflict
not trying to argue but I'm just trying to understand what is allowed and what isn't

[olive hemlock]

I made an exception because the Ak-47 is ubiquitous in the FPS genre, so the lack of it would feel off-putting

yes, any sufficiently large dogfight game is going to have MiG's and Su's, but the name recognition isn't nearly as strong as AK-47, so using foreign derivatives is less bad.

[young dagger]

👀

don't expect it by this update though lol

i will try to make it low-poly-ish so that it works for the game 😄

[mortal token]

I might install blender tmrrw and get to a sirsnow-ish level understanding. I am not a pro.

😈

Also, yeah, not in this update

might add some chinese/indian flanker or a p-47 thunderbolt after that

I still got JEE Advanced on Sunday. Most likely to start working on this on the 18th. Hope thats okay.
@young dagger Would you guide me?

[olive hemlock]

good luck. there is no rush!

[young dagger]

I'm afraid I won't be able to access blender since I'll be mobile for a little bit (like a week or 2) starting this weekend but I can definetly tell you how I do my stuff and also make a basic guide on friday this week

darn it, i'll have to restart tomorrow. i hate when the blueprints don't match up

but my general assessment is that it shouldn't be too difficult to make as long as I stay within the turnfight vertex limit which I need to, anyway

[halcyon phoenix]

I'll try to make Gripen but now just trying to understand how to use blender

[young dagger]

ill make a video tutorial on friday as well

[halcyon phoenix]

So far I was able to just make some weird looking boxes 😅

[halcyon phoenix]

alr ty

[olive hemlock]

I personally spend 10m searching for a good blueprint, which works much better than using an okay blueprint. small discrepancies are fine.

[mortal token]

voice reveal ong

[halcyon phoenix]

I'm making progress!

jk

[halcyon phoenix]

enough for playing with blender today

have to study

[mortal token]

wow, an f-16

[steel heron]

weekly exams?

I get it

[steel heron]

I spend 30 minutes thinking what plane to physically build next irl

[halcyon phoenix]

Estonia AF M28 skytruck

easy

that took only 3 seconds

[steel heron]

Yeah, not only that

Many others too

[halcyon phoenix]

school entrance exam

[steel heron]

Is that to get admission in the school?

[halcyon phoenix]

yep

[steel heron]

You shifted schools?

[halcyon phoenix]

More important than other exams lmao

[steel heron]

I wrote an entrance exam to an army school once

[halcyon phoenix]

I have homestudyed my whole life

[steel heron]

Wha-

Seriously

You're homeschooled??

Bruh I didn't know that

[halcyon phoenix]

no

[steel heron]

Then

[halcyon phoenix]

okay im just kidding yes i have

[steel heron]

Off topic stuff tbh

[halcyon phoenix]

When I can't get to that school then I have to go in local one

[halcyon phoenix]

true

[steel heron]

Turns out the army school wasn't great

So I didn't go in there

[young dagger]

more like text reveal lol

[young dagger]

small problems are fine but my blueprint's side view said that the start of the intake was where my blueprints top view said the start of the canopy is

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock so for F22 and F35 will it be possible to have the internal weapon bays open when missiles are selected?

[mortal token]

Thought about that too. No pylons

Might have to add bay door opening animation

[steel heron]

Thats required

[young dagger]

I think as long as the door is separate then squirrel can do the same thing he does with control surfaces, just also needs to rotate the missiles spawn data

[olive hemlock]

Opening the door is easy, but it would be best if the missiles didn't have to move with the door

[young dagger]

ok well then they can stay on the inside of the bay across from the door hardpoints

[mortal token]

yeeeee

[tawny steeple]

doubt : How would i switch to gun from missile and gun to missile?

[mortal token]

Can we have the colour green instead of red?

[olive hemlock]

for now, a configurable key that defaults to X

[mortal token]

Fairs enough, I am happy with this update. Thanks squilmunk. 🐿️

[young dagger]

i understand fast reloading for test purposes but hopefully the missile reload is nerfed quite a bit

[wheat laurel]

wow that looks awesome! i'm getting the model ready rn and should submit soon (haven't been online all day since i'm getting new internet, but it seems to be working well now).

also if that's the PL-2 missile in the video, i think it's too good compared to the real life one lol. the one in the video is about how good the magic and aim-9J are.

[olive hemlock]

i haven't added some of the stats yet

[wheat laurel]

ah okay, the graphics look really good. i'm so excited lol

just finishing up the colours on the f-104

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock ik ik one step at a time lol, but do you have an idea on how flares will work? Because if i only drop two flares its likely that the missile will continue to track me, there will need to be some kind of formula based on how many heat signatures are in view (including flares)
Also at some point when you have time could the J7 be tan-colored?
Sorry for all the questions, I should just trust in

[olive hemlock]

tan metal or tan matte paint or tan glossy paint?

idk about flares, how do you want them to work?

[wheat laurel]

for flares i guess you just need to add a hotkey for them so when you click it, two flares get launched. the specifics about whether the missile goes for the plane or the flare is quite complicated tbh

it depends a lot on timing

like 2 well timed flares are much more effective than 10 poorly timed flares

for simple missiles like the AIM-9B and PL-2, just 2 flares launched at any time after the missile is fired will work 90% of the time. for better missiles like the AIM-9J and Magic 1 they tend to require either more flares or better timing and maneuvering. i'm not quite sure how to implement this, though

@olive hemlock do you know if we could find a camo kinda like this one for the f-104? if not, which solid colour were you thinking? the f-104 irl had basically every colour so anything works. i was thinking either like brown or green, but idk if you prefer something more unique.

[olive hemlock]

I'd need a seamless camo texture that we have the rights to use

[wheat laurel]

where did you find the current ones for like bf-109 and me-262?

[young dagger]

tan matte paint would be nice, or just silver but that

[young dagger]

yeah and certain planes have more flares than others
16 FLR
for A-10 perhaps

[wheat laurel]

lol irl the A-10 has like 200-400 flares

[wheat laurel]

right now mine is silver (like the basic airforce metal paint)

the F-104G has about 60 flares irl

I hereby license F-104G-Starfighter.blend under CC BY 4.0 - https://creativecommons.org/license/by/4.0/deed.en

i'm leaving as silver for now, but squirrel please feel free to play around with it and change/edit whatever you feel as necessary :)

[young dagger]

i think that there would be a function that has params of heat sources nearby (no matter the angle respective to the plane and its afterburner(s)), then figures out which ones are in the range, then makes a general heat map based on how hot the sources are (flares cool over time, and engine heat and angle get considered) then a basic heat map is made and the hottest point will get picked to turn towards
Sounds like a lot of work and another issue is that turnfight is quite cramped with signatures so a missile target change might happen quite a lot

[wheat laurel]

yeah something like that

honestly whatever is simplest but still works

like basically the more flares you use, the more you turn away, and the earlier you fire them, then the likelier the missile is to go for them. older missiles such as the PL-2 and AIM-9B are more suscetible to flares than the newer AIM-9J and Magic 1

[olive hemlock]

one was a texture from the internet: https://opengameart.org/content/dark-camouflage-golgotha-textures-galvanizeddarkjpg

3 were blend files I made

[olive hemlock]

thank you so much!

[harsh lion]

when is the update coming?

[olive hemlock]

next few days

[harsh lion]

ok

is the hud gonna be red?

[olive hemlock]

you decide the colors

[harsh lion]

awsome

[olive hemlock]

I mean you decide the color in the poll, not in the game

[young dagger]

if i find a royalty free tan-and-brown texture, could it be used for the j7?

[young dagger]

or i can make it

[olive hemlock]

I prefer CC0 or CC BY 4.0, not just "royalty free" which is ambiguous

making it is great!

[steel heron]

Squiggle

[mortal token]

😂

squiggle

[young dagger]

indeed, squiggle
there is nothing funny abt it though, please stop laughing

[mortal token]

muahahahaaaa

[young dagger]

also dearie me, this looks complicated
harder than making a plane

well I'll figure it out when I have time

[mortal token]

Maybe hand over the texture map to me.

I'm good at these things

[olive hemlock]

it's not actually that complicated, just play with the numbers and colors until it looks good

you can use "+" to add additional color stops to the gradient

[olive hemlock]

the files are here: #1498360214204715159 message