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kind auroraBOT Sep 29, 2025, 5:12 PM

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shadow dew Sep 29, 2025, 5:13 PM

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Should clarify; I want to save a card to a customer but then simulate it failing specifically for due to expiry, but if there is no card to simulate this then can someone confirm if when this happens the $e->getError()->code is equal to expired_card?

jaunty elm Sep 29, 2025, 5:16 PM

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Hi 👋

We document how to achive this here

kind auroraBOT Sep 29, 2025, 5:17 PM

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shadow dew Sep 29, 2025, 5:19 PM

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I can't attach an expired card to a customer to test a charge though?

jaunty elm Sep 29, 2025, 5:21 PM

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Our elements won't premit it, no

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You can update the expiry of a saved payment method but this won't automatically trigger a failure.

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This is because banks often permit expired cards to continue charging

shadow dew Sep 29, 2025, 5:24 PM

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Can I actually test that scenario? A saved card on a customer, and then charge it?

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I can't edit the expiry to a past date through the dashboard.

jaunty elm Sep 29, 2025, 5:25 PM

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You will need to use the API for that

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Our dashboard will not allow it

shadow dew Sep 29, 2025, 5:28 PM

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I get an API error too? Stripe\Exception\CardException

Your card's expiration month is invalid.

fallen pewter Sep 29, 2025, 5:36 PM

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Hi there, I'm taking over from my colleague. Can you provide the request ID for the API error?

You can find the API request ID in the dashboard by navigating to the Logs, or if you have access to network requests, this is found in the response headers as Request-Id [0].

[0] https://support.stripe.com/questions/finding-the-id-for-an-api-request

shadow dew Sep 29, 2025, 5:37 PM

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req_ySIVPC6n8h9mMw

fallen pewter Sep 29, 2025, 5:41 PM

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I just read through the thread. Essentially you're looking to simulate the return of expired_card?

shadow dew Sep 29, 2025, 5:41 PM

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Yes

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We are saving cards to customers; I need to simulate that so I can test how my app deals with expired cards in our database.

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4000000000000341 is just a generic card_declined

fallen pewter Sep 29, 2025, 5:43 PM

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Try using 4000000000000069

shadow dew Sep 29, 2025, 5:44 PM

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Elements blocks that so we can't attach it to a customer

fallen pewter Sep 29, 2025, 5:51 PM

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Understood. I'm not sure you'll be able to simulate this on attachment to a customer. I'm seeing the error returned when I attempt to confirm a PaymentIntent but this does not include attaching to the customer which makes sense.

shadow dew Sep 29, 2025, 5:53 PM

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Sorry I'm a bit confused, not sure if we're on the same page.

Assume a customer has saved a card to their account; at the time of adding it, it's a valid card that hasn't expired. Several months pass and now the card has expired.

We attempt to charge the card and it fails due to expiry.

This is what I need to simulate.

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I'd expect to be able to simulate this, seems like a common scenario? But if we can't, can you confirm how we check for expiry from the CardException that is thrown?

Is it $e->getError()->code === 'expired_card' ?

fallen pewter Sep 29, 2025, 6:03 PM

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Have you attempted to simulate this using test clocks? So attach the card, give it a short expiry (10/25), and advance the time to after expiry and attempt to charge the card.

shadow dew Sep 29, 2025, 6:05 PM

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Seems like test clocks are limited to subscriptions?

fallen pewter Sep 29, 2025, 6:08 PM

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shadow dew I'd expect to be able to simulate this, seems like a common scenario? But if we ...

I can confirm the code is expired_card when an expired card is used to make payment. From my testing:

{
  error: {
    charge: "ch_3SClA5KStpj00Lbw1YN*****",
    code: "expired_card",
    decline_code: "expired_card",
    doc_url: "https://stripe.com/docs/error-codes/expired-card",
    message: "Your card has expired.",
    param: "exp_month",
...

shadow dew Sep 29, 2025, 6:10 PM

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The test clock doesn't seem to work? I added a card that expires 09/25, set the simulation time to 2030, and then charged the card with no errors.

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So, there's really no way to actually test this?

fallen pewter Sep 29, 2025, 6:14 PM

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Can you share the Request ID for this attempt?

shadow dew Sep 29, 2025, 6:15 PM

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req_WrZ5xW4VsJUOYt

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The test clock request is req_4W0EuNGiGzFojP

fallen pewter Sep 29, 2025, 6:36 PM

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I just tested this flow on my end and I'm getting the same results you are.

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Let me double check with colleagues.

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Ok, unfortunately there isn't a way to test this specific use case. It's worth noting that often times a card that was previously charged may go through successfully even though the card is expired. Also, we work with card networks to automatically update save card details [0].

[0] https://docs.stripe.com/payments/cards/overview#automatic-card-updates

kind auroraBOT Sep 29, 2025, 6:50 PM

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fallen pewter Sep 29, 2025, 6:50 PM

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If you need to see how the error is returned, the work around is to use the expired card, do not attach it to a customer and review what is being returned.

shadow dew Sep 29, 2025, 7:11 PM

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Seems insane that we can't test something as simple as charging an expired, saved card 😕

last granite Sep 29, 2025, 7:13 PM

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I'll share your feedback here, but the error would be same. Since expired cards can still be charged, it would not be a fully accurate representation

kind auroraBOT Sep 29, 2025, 7:21 PM

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