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empty solar
Happy to link to anything else- I've been messing with trying to get it to always appear so you might see a mix of the $0.01 price and the $0.00 price as I've been debugging
But the true goal here is that both annual & monthly prices are $0.00 per cycle
pallid harbor
Hi there, catching up and gimme a few mins here
empty solar
No rush!
I also wanted to point out that the upcoming invoice does look like it would include the $0.00 line item: https://dashboard.stripe.com/test/customers/cus_RXshQUsa7l4mdP/upcoming_invoice/sub_1QemweCEQnHi4E9WwmivUUXH
Yet when the actual invoice is generated- that is not the case
pallid harbor
Um so if you specify amount = 0.01, the created Invoice will immediately have a 0.01 line items, and Upcoming Invoice doesn't have it. But if you specify amount = 0.00, the created Invoice won't have it, but the Upcoming Invoice will
Is that correct?
empty solar
Basically- I actually assume the upcoming invoice will show it regardless of 0.00 or 0.01
Really it’s actually getting a 0.00 line item on an invoice, so that we can inject our 3rd party taxes properly.
I only mentioned the upcoming invoice showing it, since that technically is my expected result (having that line item there)
But getting it on real invoices (not preview or upcoming) doesn’t happen
pallid harbor
The Upcoming Invoice represents an Invoice in the future. The already created Invoice is the present Invoice. They are different
If I understand correctly, 0.00 items is "pushed" to the Upcoming Invoice, while 0.01 is included in the present Invoice
empty solar
Disregard the 0.01
pallid harbor
Does that sound correctly describe what you observed?
empty solar
That was me validating my thought that stripe is auto removing the 0.00 line item
But also yes! Basically the 0.01 ends up on the invoice generated from that subscription update
The 0.00 will never appear on the invoice generated from the subscription update
pallid harbor
0.01 testing is great 🙂 We want to know if that's the amount matter
empty solar
And I understand the difference between upcoming invoices & the an actual invoice being made
I was only pointing out that it’s odd that the upcoming invoice returns the line item with 0.00
Yet the actual invoice that would come out of that won’t
pallid harbor
So on 0.01, do you see the line items again on Upcoming Invoice?
empty solar
Yep, 0.01 works as any other item it would appear
pallid harbor
No I mean, on 0.01, you see it on the present Invoice, but if you look at Upcoming Invoice, you are not seeing it again, right?
empty solar
No I see it on both, it’s a recurring charge (technically)
So I expect to see 0.01 on both present/generated and the upcoming — and I do see it on both to confirm
pallid harbor
I see!
Okie going back to 0.00, now you don't see it on the immediate Invoice, but seeing it on the Upcoming Invoice. What happen if you advance the time to the future past the Upcoming Invoice? Would you see it actually have 0.00 as it showed?
empty solar
No it still doesn’t appear even if I make it do it’s normal cycle
Sorry if I’m also explaining this horribly; been throwing my head against this all day 😭
pallid harbor
No worries. I wonder if it is only showing on Upcoming Invoice, but when that Invoice turned into a "real" Invoice it will be missing again
Upcoming Invoice is just a preview of future Invoice
empty solar
That is what happens- I confirmed
0.00 just never shows up unfortunately
I actually tried modifying quantity too in a subsequent call, to see if maybe it just won’t show up on the invoice generated from its initial insertion
But even in that case it never shows up, so I’m leaning towards it all revolving around the subtotal being 0.00- but I still would’ve imagined this to show up at least while the invoice is in draft, and maybe the stripe logic to remove 0.00 subtotals would kick in after finalization
I tried digging for a setting in the dashboard, or any info/docs in general about this behavior and I couldn’t find anything
pallid harbor
Yeah that's what I thought too. We normally ignore everything 0.00
Sorry for that. I think you could communicate to your customer in that case only, and mention non-zero tax would appear in your Invoices
empty solar
But I need to apply the tax to that line item
And we really want to avoid a 0.01 charge for them- they’re actually free as part of our platform but we legally need to apply taxes to them (telecom tax is super annoying with regulations)
So that 0.00 line item needs to exist- so with stripe not actually including it because it’s a 0.00 charge, it stops us from being able to properly apply taxes to that
pallid harbor
Hmm I see. So you need to have that 0.00 item displayed, despite that you don't collect any tax amount
empty solar
Basically- I worded it poorly, but the intention is to collect taxes on this item
But the actual unit price / subtotal without tax will always be 0
pallid harbor
But how can you calculate the tax if the original amount is 0?
Sorry I may missunderstand something here
empty solar
Telecom has per line fees that are fixed based on quantity
Not a percentage based on $
So the quantity of that item is always the amount of numbers said customer has- which are all charged fixed fees depending on their location
e.g. E911 is a flat rate fee we have to pay per VOIP phone line
Those phone lines are free included with our customer subscription, which is why we need the 0.00, but they are charged specific fees on those
pallid harbor
Um and your 3rd party will calculate that tax for you? Based on the quantity you give them?
pallid harbor
Ah Avalara
empty solar
Yep! So they give us back the proper taxes off the quantity in this case
Fixed amount is I think what stripe refers to them as (these non percentage based taxes)
pallid harbor
Um sorry this is something our API is not supporting (display a 0.00 item). Could you write to Support, asking for any "Invoice beta" program? Please mention this Discord thread too.
I don't recall such a program, but let's give Support team some time to gather information. Otherwise we will record as a feedback :/