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errant island
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Hello, can you tell me more about the issue that the redirect is causing for your page? I double checked and there isn't a way to avoid the redirect here

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Also when you say scheduler are you talking about one of our subscription schedules, or is this a scheduler on your side? It looks like our schedules support changing the default PM as part of the phase change if that helps https://docs.stripe.com/api/subscription_schedules/object#subscription_schedule_object-phases-default_payment_method

The Subscription Schedule object | Stripe API Reference

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verbal mortar
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the flow is as follows:

User is downgrading from a plan to another, for downgrading am using the subscription scheduler of stripe, to change the plan_id and price!
if the default payment method specified in the next phase if Paypal (a saved PM of the user) will this require the user to redirect to the verification page of paypal? or will it just change the it and use in the next phase?

If the payment method of the next phase is paypal, having in mind that the downgrade am doing does not take affect, unless the period of the current exisiting subscription ends. will the user need to verify the payment method of paypal when the next phase is about to get excuted and the user is about to be charged?

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this is my downgrade function for reference:

const handleDowngradeSubscription = async (
  user,
  paymentObj,
  providerSubscription,
  newProviderPlan
) => {
  let scheduleId = providerSubscription.schedule
  let schedule = null
  if (!scheduleId) {
    schedule = await stripeGatewayClient.subscriptionSchedules.create({
      from_subscription: providerSubscription.id,
    })
    scheduleId = schedule.id
  }

  schedule =
    await stripeGatewayClient.subscriptionSchedules.retrieve(scheduleId)

  const defaultPhase = schedule.phases[0]

  await stripeGatewayClient.subscriptionSchedules.update(scheduleId, {
    end_behavior: 'release',
    phases: [
      {
        items: defaultPhase.items,
        start_date: defaultPhase.start_date,
        end_date: defaultPhase.end_date,
        metadata: defaultPhase.metadata,
        currency: defaultPhase.currency,
      },
      {
        items: [
          {
            price: newProviderPlan.id,
          },
        ],
        start_date: defaultPhase.end_date,
        metadata: {
          subscriptionPlanId: paymentObj.newSubscriptionPlan.id,
          userId: user.id,
          discountId: SYSTEM_UUID,
        },
      },
    ],
  })

  return providerSubscription
}
verbal mortar
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sub_1Q9sPQD9sYh65PYtECMMpZuz

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This is a subscription ID that has a schedule attached to it

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the schedule should perform the downgrade next year oct 14

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the default payment methood of that customer is paypal

errant island
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Apologies for the delay, the server got busy and I missed your reply for a bit. To save a PayPal payment method you will need to do a full page redirect at some point. If you want to make it part of the downgrade, you can create a SetupIntent, go through the process of confirming it, and then include the new PM Id in the second phase's default_payment_method parameter in that subscription schedule creation call

verbal mortar
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when oct 14 2025 comes, will the user need to confirm his already saved paypal PM?

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To save a PayPal payment method you will need to do a full page redirect at some point.

This is was done, when the user first subscribed with paypal

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or changed his payment lets say to paypal

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and it became the default Pm of that customer

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but when the downgrade time arrives

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will customer need any additional steps

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or will that be handled automatically?

errant island
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By default no, but I am not sure if PayPal sometimes requires additional action from users on recurring payments.

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Do you already handle 3DS on recurring payments for your users that pay with a card? Handling requires_action for other payment methods should be similar if not the exact same process code-wise

verbal mortar
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I do have it for intital subscription creation

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and for updating payment details for users

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I do handle requires_action and setup intent for changing payment methods

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Only thing I wanted to check is, if the user will need to do these extra steps again, when the nextpahse of downgrade excutes

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for example the subscription I sent above has a schedule

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sub_sched_1Q9sUhD9sYh65PYtsRIv6WQz

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I can see these

    "collection_method": "charge_automatically",
    "default_payment_method": "pm_1Q9sQQD9sYh65PYtm5sP49bX",

the default pm id is the customers default paypal method the intially subscribed with and verified

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but I donot see other thing related to the intent of the subscription if it would require further actions when the downgrade time comes

errant island
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How do you currently handle requires_action on your recurring payments? Do you have Stripe send your customers an email, or do you have your own way of notifying them and then a custom page to handle the next action?

verbal mortar
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For initially creating subscriptions, if the payment intent_status is set to requires_actions, i basically handle nextActions where it navigates to the paypal test portal where it allows me to memick authorizing the payment or not, based on the redirect status, I proceed with either showing a success or failure page ,,, and save info to my db..

errant island
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Good, that should handle that upfront. Handling that for recurring payments is the same process, get your user on your site and call handleNextAction which will redirect them

verbal mortar
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Yeah but my case is not recurring payments

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it is downgrade that is attached by a schedule.

errant island
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The payment that happens when the new phase happens is considered a recurring payment

verbal mortar
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Does this mean that, I should not be attaching a schedule for downgrade unless the user has returned from handleNextActions with a succeeded redirect status?

errant island
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So you are handling setup properly upfront, and the first payment at the downgraded price would work the same as any other payment when the subscription cycles

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That is up to you, you can definitely let your users downgrade and keep their old PM. It is easy to imagine a scenario where a user tries to add a new PM, can't for some reason, and is fine to keep using their already saved PM until they get things sorted out with their new PM

verbal mortar
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Okay sounds good, thanks for your time