Sapna Verma | Stripe Developers | Page 1

storm oceanBOT Mar 28, 2023, 9:10 AM

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spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 9:10 AM

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👋 happy to help

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how are you making the payment?

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are you creating a separate Payment Intent?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 9:13 AM

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just using customer api to create a customer and creating a subscription using subscription API

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thats all

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 9:14 AM

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I am allowing the customer to make a payment before the trial ends
what does that mean?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 9:14 AM

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The card details are entered by the customer before the trial ends.

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but the subscription will be started at the end of the trial

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shall i use trial_end parameter to take a timestamp

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 9:16 AM

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I'm not sure I follow

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when the trial ends a new invoice is generated and automatically paid using the Payment Method that was saved upon subscription creation

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 9:18 AM

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the trial_end timestamp will be used for the end of trial and payment - right?

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just confirming

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will the paymentIntent be created automatically on subscription creation?

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 9:22 AM

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there won't be a Payment Intent directly

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Subscriptions create Invoices

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Invoices would have a PaymentIntent if its due amount is more than 0

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and they get automatically paid

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please read through this https://stripe.com/docs/billing/subscriptions/overview page specifically https://stripe.com/docs/billing/subscriptions/overview#subscription-lifecycle

How subscriptions work

Learn how subscriptions work within Stripe.

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 9:30 AM

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is the setiupIntent also created

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through invoice'

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 9:31 AM

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no, if a subscription is created with a trial or with a first zero-invoice then the subscription's pending_setup_intent field will be populated

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https://stripe.com/docs/api/subscriptions/object#subscription_object-pending_setup_intent

Stripe API reference – The subscription object – curl

Complete reference documentation for the Stripe API. Includes code snippets and examples for our Python, Java, PHP, Node.js, Go, Ruby, and .NET libraries.

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 9:37 AM

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can we find out the status of paymentIntent when a subscription is created

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 9:37 AM

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in subscriptions what's important is the status of the invoices

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https://stripe.com/docs/billing/subscriptions/webhooks

Using webhooks with subscriptions

Learn to use webhooks to receive notifications of subscription activity.

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 9:41 AM

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it is written that stripe.confirmPayment needs to be called to setup payment

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 9:41 AM

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fringe cypress it is written that stripe.confirmPayment needs to be called to setup payment

that's wrong

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 9:41 AM

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will this Js call the API- Confirm a PaymentIntent

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 9:42 AM

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yes

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confirmPayment confirms a Payment Intent
while confirmSetup confirms a Setup Intent

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 9:44 AM

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in a subscription cycle do i need to call confirmsetup>

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in any case?

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 9:48 AM

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You chose to use Payment Elements to collect the Payment Methods upon creating the Subscription?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 9:48 AM

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yes

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do i need to call confirmSetup js?

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 9:50 AM

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if the subscription has a trial period then yes

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on Subscription creation you need to expand on pending_setup_intent and send the client_secret to the front-end to use with the Payment Element to confirm the Setup Intent

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 9:53 AM

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can you refer this to a doc where i can go through the details, I am not able to find them on search

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 9:56 AM

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there is no page for this

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 9:57 AM

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so I should be calling confirmPayment to confirm a Payment Intent
while confirmSetup to confirm a Setup Intent, that is saving the payment details?

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i think setupintent is used to save the payment details in a subscription..right

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 10:01 AM

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fringe cypress i think setupintent is used to save the payment details in a subscription..right

correct

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 10:02 AM

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so I should call confirmPayment and confirmSetup both

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 10:03 AM

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fringe cypress so I should be calling confirmPayment to confirm a Payment Intent while confirmS...

If your subscription doesn't have trial (1st invoice !=0) you would need to expand on latest_invoice.payment_intent and use the client_secret from the PI to send to the front-end and use the confirmPayment to save the PM and pay the first invoice

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If your subscription has trial or 1st invoice = 0 you would expand on pending_setup_intent and sue the client_secret from the SI to send to the front-end and use the confirmSetup to save the PM for future payments on the subscription

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 10:20 AM

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I am not able to find latest_invoice.payment_intent

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 10:21 AM

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did you create a subscription with trial period?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 10:22 AM

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yes

storm oceanBOT Mar 28, 2023, 10:23 AM

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spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 10:26 AM

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then it's the second scenario that you need to do

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 10:32 AM

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you said - you would need to expand on latest_invoice.payment_intent, what do you mean by expand on?

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 10:34 AM

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please read the whole sentence

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If your subscription doesn't have trial (1st invoice !=0) then ...

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 10:34 AM

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yes...then what is expand on

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you would expand on pending_setup_intent...what do you mean by expand on?

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 10:35 AM

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https://stripe.com/docs/api/expanding_objects

Stripe API reference – Expanding Responses – curl

Complete reference documentation for the Stripe API. Includes code snippets and examples for our Python, Java, PHP, Node.js, Go, Ruby, and .NET libraries.

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 10:59 AM

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hi, I also read in the docs-- Use stripe.confirmPayment to complete the payment using details from the Payment Element and activate the subscription. This creates a PaymentMethod and confirms the incomplete Subscription’s first PaymentIntent, causing a charge to be made.

woeful mountain Mar 28, 2023, 10:59 AM

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Hey, taking over here. Let me know if there's any follow-up Qs I can answer!

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 10:59 AM

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yes the one ablove

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https://stripe.com/docs/payments/save-during-payment

Save payment details during payment

Learn how to save payment details during a payment.

woeful mountain Mar 28, 2023, 11:06 AM

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What is the exact ask here ?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 11:08 AM

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if i create a subscription, do i need to call both confirmSetup and confirmPayment?...as i am saving as well as taking payment details

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I read that in https://stripe.com/docs/payments/accept-a-payment-deferred?type=setup#additional-options

Collect payment details before creating an Intent

Build an integration where you can render the Payment Element prior to creating a PaymentIntent or SetupIntent.

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please confirm?

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i set the mode to subscription

woeful mountain Mar 28, 2023, 11:16 AM

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For subscription you need to follow this guide actually:
https://stripe.com/docs/billing/subscriptions/build-subscriptions

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 11:31 AM

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i am confused to use stripe.confirmPaayment and stripe.confirmSetup. Will I use both?

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 11:32 AM

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@fringe cypress it depends on whether you're always giving a free trial at the beginning of the subscription or not

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 11:32 AM

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okie

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 11:32 AM

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If you're not always going to give the free trial then you need to implement both

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what coding language are you using?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 11:33 AM

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php

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 11:37 AM

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$stripe->subscriptions->create([
  'customer' => 'cus_xxx',
  'payment_behavior'  => 'default_incomplete',
  'payment_settings' => [
      'save_default_payment_method' => 'on_subscription'
  ],
  .... // here you add trial, items, etc...
  'expand' => ['pending_setup_invoice', 'latest_invoice.payment_intent']
]);

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after that you check whether pending_setup_invoice or latest_invoice.payment_intent are null or not and based on that you return a hash something like

{ 
  type: 'setup' | 'payment'
  client_secret: (either `pending_setup_invoice.client_secret` or `latest_invoice.payment_intent.client_secret`)
}

and based on the type you choose confirmSetup or confirmPayment

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is that clear for you @fringe cypress

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 11:51 AM

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first time the ConfirmSetup will be written and next time on subscription renewal, when there is no trial I will use confirmPayment....

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 11:52 AM

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next time you don't have to do anything

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since we automatically charge the Payment Method

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you don't have to do anything unless there's an action required

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 11:53 AM

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okay..i was confused because in this it is written that you call ConfirmPayment https://stripe.com/docs/billing/subscriptions/build-subscriptions?ui=elements#display-payment-method

Build a subscriptions integration

Create and manage subscriptions to accept recurring payments.

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https://stripe.com/docs/billing/subscriptions/build-subscriptions?ui=elements#complete-payment\\

Build a subscriptions integration

Create and manage subscriptions to accept recurring payments.

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 11:54 AM

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as explained here https://stripe.com/docs/billing/subscriptions/webhooks#additional-action

Using webhooks with subscriptions

Learn to use webhooks to receive notifications of subscription activity.

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 11:54 AM

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fringe cypress okay..i was confused because in this it is written that you call ConfirmPayment ...

this is in the case that you have the first invoice that needs payment

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 11:55 AM

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ok

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got it

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 11:55 AM

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when there's no trial nor discount

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 11:56 AM

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okay, clear

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thanks

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Also, it is written that the return_url should correspond to a page on your website that provides the status of the payment, by verifying the status of the PaymentIntent when rendering the return page. Inspect the status of the PaymentIntent to decide what to show your customers.

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will I be using the status of Setupintent instead of paymentintent?

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 12:02 PM

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yes

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 12:02 PM

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great, thanks

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 12:19 PM

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Also, In case of charging at the end of trial or immediately, I need to pass the relevant timestamp to the trial_end parameter --right?

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 12:20 PM

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you can either pass trial_end or trial_period_days to specify how long the trial period is

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 12:20 PM

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it could be now for immediate charging

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right?

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 12:20 PM

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then you don't specify trial at all

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https://stripe.com/docs/api/subscriptions/create#create_subscription-trial_end
https://stripe.com/docs/api/subscriptions/create#create_subscription-trial_period_days

Stripe API reference – Create a subscription – curl

Complete reference documentation for the Stripe API. Includes code snippets and examples for our Python, Java, PHP, Node.js, Go, Ruby, and .NET libraries.

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these are the parameters you need to use when creating

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you need 1 not both

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 12:21 PM

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it just that some trial days have passed and payment details are provided and the charge is requested immediately

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 12:21 PM

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I don't follow

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 12:21 PM

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then can i use now

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 12:22 PM

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you don't know how long the trial period is on creation?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 12:24 PM

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no, intially the account is created only on y application and the trial goes on ...some trial days have passed, not all and payment details are provided by the customer and they want the charge immediately and not untill the end of trial.

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 12:25 PM

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yes in that case you update the subscription with trial_end = 'now' https://stripe.com/docs/api/subscriptions/update#update_subscription-trial_end

Stripe API reference – Update a subscription – curl

Complete reference documentation for the Stripe API. Includes code snippets and examples for our Python, Java, PHP, Node.js, Go, Ruby, and .NET libraries.

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 12:25 PM

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thanks

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In case of failed payments, we will need to create the paymentIntent ...through confirmPayment..right?

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to allow adding a new payment method

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 12:35 PM

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you don't create a new Payment Intent you use the existing one on the invoice

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 12:37 PM

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even if it's creating a new payment method

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?

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 12:38 PM

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yes

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 12:40 PM

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what i used on the invoice was setupIntent, shalli use the same to update the default payment method

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 12:42 PM

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the payment might fail once you have an invoice with a Payment Intent that fails

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you would need to use that same Payment Intent from that invoice

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 12:43 PM

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u mean the setupIntent as that i i used while using trials

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 12:43 PM

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no

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that Setup Intent is used once

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and you forget about it

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each new cycle there's going to be a new Invoice

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and each Invoice will have its own Payment Intent

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 12:44 PM

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okay..and a payment.intent is automatically created ? without caling confirmPayment method

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 12:44 PM

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the confirmPayment (as its name sounds) confirms the Payment on the frontend when the user enters the payment details

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the creation happens automatically

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https://stripe.com/docs/billing/subscriptions/overview#subscription-lifecycle

How subscriptions work

Learn how subscriptions work within Stripe.

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 12:47 PM

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If I am not using Stripe Invoice and will be using my own invoicing solution...would i able to find the paymentIntent somewhere

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please answer

echo coyote Mar 28, 2023, 12:51 PM

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Hi there 👋 jumping in as my teammate needs to step away. If you are creating and handling your own Invoices outside of Stripe, then a Payment Intent will likely not be created automatically and you will need to create one for processing the payment.

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 12:51 PM

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oaky

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how about the invoice.paid event...shall i still get it

echo coyote Mar 28, 2023, 12:59 PM

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No, if there is no Invoice in Stripe then none of our Invoice-related features will operate. You will not receive Invoice related events.

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:01 PM

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okay, so when i create a setupIntent to save the PM details, I must also create a paymentIntent using confirmPayment ?

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because the first payment will not create the paymentIntent automatically

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the one that is created on first payment...in my case i will have to create a payment intent

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:03 PM

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@fringe cypress you're allover the place, if you're using the Subscriptions API, Invoices will be generated for you automatically upon each cycle renewal

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you don't have to worry about Setup or Payment Intents

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if you want to use your own logic to create the invoices and handle the subscription cycles then please disregard everything we've been discussing in the last couple of days and let's start over this whole conversation

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it's another approach and a totally different implementation path

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you need to decide on which path you want to follow

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:06 PM

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i will have to go through the another approcah

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:06 PM

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which one? please be precise

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:06 PM

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if you want to use your own logic to create the invoices and handle the subscription cycles

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:07 PM

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then you don't need Subscriptions API

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you won't get Invoices

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nor invoice.* events

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:07 PM

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okay..then what should i use

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okay

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:08 PM

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or any related subscription events

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you would have to build the scheduler logic yourself

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:08 PM

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any reference in the docs

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:08 PM

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no there isn't since this is not something related to Stripe directly

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:09 PM

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i am lost...is there anything like Intents i need to use

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:09 PM

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I'm not sure why you want to reinvent the wheel here, what is it with Stripe's Subscription that is not compatible with your use case?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:10 PM

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invoices...i am not using stripe invoice

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just that

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:10 PM

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I know you are lost

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:10 PM

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i am sorry

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:10 PM

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because we ask you to read through docs and you don't

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we explain and you don't listen

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:11 PM

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oh..i will do that from now on..please forgive

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:11 PM

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no need for the appology

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I'm trying to help you out here, but honestly you're doing yourself a disservice by not listening

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let's go back to point zero

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forget about Intents/Subscriptions/Invoices

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:12 PM

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okay

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:12 PM

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You have a customer right?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:13 PM

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yes..

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:13 PM

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you want them to have access to a certain service of yours and in return you want them to pay for a recurring fee right?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:13 PM

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yes

storm oceanBOT Mar 28, 2023, 1:14 PM

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spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:16 PM

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perfect

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sometimes you want to give them a free trial and other times you don't?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:17 PM

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on the first subscription only

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not on renewing the subscriptions

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on the three products i ahve

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:19 PM

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so always you have a free trial at the start of any of your Subscriptions, right?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:19 PM

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yes

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:19 PM

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you will never have the case where you don't want to offer a free trial upon subscribing

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:19 PM

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no

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:20 PM

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ok perfect

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you also want to listen to events to know when the subscription is paid for

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:21 PM

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yes

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:21 PM

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ok

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you don't want to use Stripe Checkout, correct?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:21 PM

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yes

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:21 PM

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any reasons why?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:22 PM

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no reasons, just that the low code option gives less flexibility

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:22 PM

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what is the flexibility that you are searching for?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:23 PM

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wanted to try intents as a custom code

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:23 PM

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what do you need that Checkout doesn't give you access to?

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I really need to understand so I would be able to guide you through your integration

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:23 PM

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well i can use checkout,...but that also creates intents

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so used the subscriptions instead

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:23 PM

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@fringe cypress unless I mention intents please forget about them now

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:23 PM

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ok

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:24 PM

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Stripe Checkout has 3 modes (something I explained yesterday)
1- payment
2- setup
3- subscription

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:24 PM

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ok

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:24 PM

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each mode offers a different functionality

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:24 PM

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yes

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:25 PM

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in Setup mode for example you can collect a payment method for a customer without charging them

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:26 PM

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ok

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:26 PM

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in Subscription mode, you collect a payment method for a customer and Checkout will create a subscription for you

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:26 PM

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ok

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:27 PM

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so now I will ask my question again: what do you need that Checkout doesn't give you access to?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:27 PM

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nothing ..i can use checkout

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:27 PM

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ok good

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in that case we go back to the conversation we had yesterday about Checkout

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:29 PM

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yes...shall I use the setup mode since that saves the payment method

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for future use

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:29 PM

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no because the Subscription will do both

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create a Subscription

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:29 PM

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so use the subscription mode

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:29 PM

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save the Payment Method for future payments

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and create the Invoice and do everything

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the only thing you need to worry about is listening to the webhook events

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and figure out what to do to fulfill the order

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:31 PM

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i wont be using invoices from Stripe

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:31 PM

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but that's a story for the next episode

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:31 PM

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fringe cypress i wont be using invoices from Stripe

you can generate your own invoices on the side

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but you can't have Subscriptions without Invoices

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that's not possible with Stripe

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:32 PM

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but invoice is an additional add on as it's charged saperately

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i dont want to buy that option

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:33 PM

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you don't pay extra for invoices if you're already using Subscription

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:34 PM

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https://support.stripe.com/questions/stripe-invoicing-pricing

Stripe Invoicing pricing : Stripe: Help & Support

Find help and support for Stripe. Our support center provides answers on all types of situations, including account information, charges and refunds, and subscriptions information. Get your questions answered and find international support for Stripe.

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:36 PM

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Recurring Invoices are part of the starter pack

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for Billing

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it's the One-time Invoices that you would have to pay extra to get access to

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:38 PM

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whats the difference...

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:39 PM

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let me go back a second

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:40 PM

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Stripe Invoicing has no fixed fees or setup costs, but Stripe Payments pricing will apply. If you're a business with large invoice amounts, contact sales to discuss pricing options.

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:40 PM

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if you use Payment Intents you would be subject to this pricing model https://stripe.com/pricing
whereas if you use Billing (creating a subscription) you would be subject to this pricing model https://stripe.com/billing/pricing

Pricing & fees | Stripe Official Site

View Stripe fees and pricing information. Explore pricing by product, by payment method including credit and debit cards, or design a custom pricing package.

Stripe Billing: manage subscriptions, recurring payments and billing

Stripe Billing powers recurring payments and subscription business models with tools to reduce churn. Use Stripe’s APIs to quickly set up recurring billing and automatic payments for your business. Easily create and manage subscriptions and recurring invoices from the Dashboard.

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yes the best thing to do is to contact https://support.stripe.com/?contact=true for pricing questions

Stripe: Help & Support

Find help and support for Stripe. Our support center provides answers on all types of situations, including account information, charges and refunds, and subscriptions information. Get your questions answered and find international support for Stripe.

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maybe figure out this part to know whether you want to use Billing or not first

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and then based on this decision we can proceed with the appropriate approach then

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:43 PM

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ok, so i should use checkout

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:43 PM

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are you going to use Billing?

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:43 PM

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let me go back and think of it...

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i will connect with you tomm

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it's time to go home for me

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thanks for helping this long

spiral lava Mar 28, 2023, 1:44 PM

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no worries take your time, think about this and once you have a decision made please do come back

fringe cypress Mar 28, 2023, 1:44 PM

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bbye

#Sapna Verma