meager pebble
In a situation where a guard dog and the leader would both be knocked down at the same time, i.e. someone slams the guard dog m into the leader, do they both get KD or only the guard dog.
I assume only the guard dog falls as they are both standing when they would get knocked down simultaneously and so the leader is still protected.
leaden swift
Relevant rules
cerulean junco
In a situation where a guard dog and the leader would both be knocked down at th...
Feral is slammed. On contact caster would be knocked down, cant because guard dog. Feral slam movement is finished. Feral is knocked down.
meager pebble
Does that imply then that if hte caster is slammed over a feral they both WOULD be knocked down?
cerulean junco
If the caster is the same size or larger then the feral yes. Unless the feral has ir/surefoot/something that also makes it immune to kd
cloud heron
I've been curious about this too - I know battle formation doesn't stop being knocked down by a slam as long as the slam moves you out of base to base to with the other model - the rationale was that everything after the slam occurs after the slam has occured.
I'd think that if the rulings were consistent (and I know I ruled differently at my event this weekend, but I've had some time to mull it over) that the slammed model would suffer all the slam effects, then everything else would occur and the guarded model would also be knocked down?
It gets wierd feeling in the way it sequences.
remote dust
The slammed model is knocked down at the end of it's movement. The model slammed into is knocked down on contact. Thus as it's movement has not ended the guard dog is not KD when it contacts the caster, thus caster is not KD. Then guard dog becomes KD when you resolve it's slam movement
weak sentinel
The slammed model is knocked down at the end of it's movement. The model slammed...
Contact is the trigger but it has been ruled on in the past that the contacted model isnt knocked down until the movement is complete.
sour arch
Here is the link with the ruling. Its a bit long. https://discord.com/channels/836950369791377408/1330660981663338587
And Septic has it right. Models are fully moved, then things are knocked down after movement
Screenshot of the ruling:
cerulean junco
Sure so if you check after the movement then the order matters right? Who determines the order of the checks? For example a feral is slammed into bhodan. After the movement is resolved do you say the feral is kd, check for contacts and anything smaller contacted is kd? Or do you check for contacts, anything contacted is kd, then feral is kd? And if its all checked simultaneously then in this scenario bhodan wouldnt be kd because the feral wasn't at time of check.
meager pebble
I am inclined to believe its the latter, check everything at once, feral is not currently KD, bohdan doesnt fall over, order of who hit what shouldnt matter if its simultaneous. All of them are standing at one point, all are sitting at the next instant
quiet compass
Remove the slam prerequisite and just say, tremor from a quake hammer, when resolving knockdowns simultaneously would the caster be KD?