marsh obsidian
Machine wraith damages a tyrant with hyper aggressive. Which effect triggers first?
My interpretation is that because Dark domination causes an attack, it happens at step 14 of timing chart, while tyrants hyper aggressive at step 13 (inactive player effect). Ie can't hyper aggressive away from where the wraith wants them. Does that sound right?
Both effects apply immediately after the attack is resolved
solemn basin
The warjack falls under the attacker's control as soon as it is hit by the Machine Wraith Dominator. As such, Hyper Aggressive will not trigger, as.the damage is not originating from an enemy model.
solemn basin
Note that on the off-chance it's ruled that the attack is still an "enemy attack" even when the models are both friendly when the damage is dealt, Hyper Aggressive still resolves prior to Dark Domination as by that time the warjack is clearly a friendly model (under the active player's control) and so HA would resolve at Step 12 while DD would resolve at Step 14.
Note-note that even if it's ruled that Hyper Aggressive is resolved as though the warjack is still under the inactive player's control, HA requires that the model advance directly toward the model that attacked it, and so can only get closer to the Machine Wraith Dominator.
marsh obsidian
Agree hyper aggressive is irrelevant if it triggers before dark domination 🙂 a lot more relevant afterwards (let's them move away from my desired position back toward the wraith).
I didn't consider the ownership change.. hmm adds a curveball thanks for that thought.
ivory cloud
I can confirm that the control takeover happens on hit and before damage roll as it's been ruled before that ARM buffs/debuffs are switched on or off by that. So a Machine Wraith won't benefit from its own Dark Shroud but the jack won't benefit from Horrusk's feat. Also, this damage taking out the cortex won't stop Dark Domination as it's already been checked.
long gazelle
Correct answers provided
hazy osprey
Thats quite complicated.
long gazelle
You hit the model it is now your friendly model
You made the attack and now have to resolve damage
It was damaged by a friendly attack not an enemy attack
hazy osprey
How does that work with Retaliatory Strike - especially on a model like Magnus. I can't quite work out how upkeeps work even.
Are they hit by enemy and damaged by friendly?
Hellwroght - target cohort model in the spell casters battlegroup. When it gets possessed - does it suspend the up keep or cancel it, as its no longer a valid target?
solemn basin
Target restrictions only apply when casting the spell.
hazy osprey
So it keeps the armour. And hasn't been damaged by an enemy attack, so doesn't get vengance.
Or is the attack still enemy and the damage friendly? Does it loose the bond while possesed?
stuck obsidian
fair flax
I think the initial attack is still enemy. And while it loses the bond while controlled, it would come back after the attack resolves, maybe? So does it still look at being hit by what WAS an enemy attack and trigger Retaliatory?
Since both Dark Domination expiration and the Retaliatory trigger after the attack is resolved