War Thunder

[formal sable]

Ah, gotcha. What weapons would be best to use for A/A?

[formal sable]

I must apologize for my earlier statements. This top-tier stuff is actually kinda fun. I know I don't know all the intricacies of it, but so far it's not bad.

3 flights lol

[formal sable]

Lol

[hushed rain]

do you have su30 prem?

[rare bone]

prem 30 no get thrust vector

[trail hamlet]

e

[hushed rain]

if so, take 4 r77 and 2 r27ET for the main hard points

[formal sable]

Yep

[hushed rain]

then yeah my message stands

[formal sable]

Okie dokie I’ll try that

[hushed rain]

ets are IR ballistic missiles essentially

not too hard to jumpscare someone with zero rwr warning

[formal sable]

Oh sweet

Yeah I’ve noticed in this BR it’s a lot easier to sneak up on people with your radar off and shove a heater up their tailpipe

[wintry copper]

it works in top tier too

[formal sable]

That’s what I meant lol

[formal sable]

Can you guide multiple AIM-7Fs?

Also, I think I know the answer, but is the F-14 IRAF worth it?

[formal sable]

So this loadout is not an option. It doesn't get those weapons

[hushed rain]

what

brother

augur

i love you man

rvvs are r77s

[formal sable]

Bruh Im looking at it rn

[hushed rain]

just the export name

[formal sable]

Oh

[hushed rain]

[formal sable]

Well, I don't get ETs

[hushed rain]

huh

screenshot load out options

[formal sable]

I'm gonna go off myself now. I sat here for a solid 5 minutes

[hushed rain]

did you find them

[hushed rain]

yeahh

[formal sable]

...yes...

[hushed rain]

don't worry the load out options are dumb on it

[formal sable]

This is the one I built early on

I find that I cant ever hit anything with the R77s

I guess it would be a similar thing with the Phoenix

Lobbing missiles aren't likely to hit

And I guess you can't edit created loadouts anymore?

[mossy marten]

R77’s have pretty limited range

Compared to 120’s

Gotta get closer to launch em

[formal sable]

Phoenixs say the same thig

[hushed rain]

r77s are great for knife fighting

do off bore shots and then return to a notch position to get people

[formal sable]

Noted

[hushed rain]

i would say avoid firing under 10km... give or take?

[formal sable]

LOL all in one match

I just shot down a missile O-o

[toxic valley]

Man are the R-77’s really that bad in WT?

[formal sable]

Is this performance considered bad?

[toxic valley]

Im not sure, but come to think of it now ive never been killed by one i think

[formal sable]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-gif-5057861

[hushed rain]

nah

i mean like

yes technically they are the worst fox 3

other than the big anti bomber ones

(pheonix, fakour)

but theyre still workable

its mostly because their flight model is borked

they are even more shit than they should be at transonic speeds

[toxic valley]

Oh ew that sucks

[hushed rain]

@bold dome

[bold dome]

Yeah?

[hushed rain]

just pinging you in the war thunder thread

so you can see it

[bold dome]

Kay

[hushed rain]

are you playing ground or air

[bold dome]

Air most likely

[hushed rain]

okay uhmm

i cant hop on right this instant but if your on later i can help show you around

[bold dome]

Cool

[real oak]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[formal sable]

Are you new to WT?

I did a thing.

[bold dome]

Fairly

[bold dome]

<@&1278618075792539648>

[real oak]

bru

[mossy marten]

?

[bold dome]

Doin some low br ground rn

[gusty sedge]

AirRB 4 eva

[bold dome]

Wait nvm

I cant

[formal sable]

Ah, my poor sweet summer child

[toxic valley]

leak list is coming true so far

[hushed rain]

teaser this thursdat

https://tenor.com/view/angry-birds-gif-12007401521632546156

then we'll know all the cool shit

[dapper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/jolly-angry-birds-gif-12317731893477127945

[fleet halo]

how so?

[nova crown]

well the patch hasnt come out so we dont know its not coming true

therfore it is

[toxic valley]

Two of the vehicles on it are confirmed so far

[nova crown]

Very cool, did they tweet it out or something

[toxic valley]

https://warthunder.com/en/news/9830-development-fr-1-fireball-a-name-too-fitting-en
https://warthunder.com/en/news/9829-development-db-lk-the-green-wing-en
nah just their normal blog

[mossy marten]

Biggest nobody cares devlogs ever

I miss the old Gaijin

[toxic valley]

yeah literally 😭

[mossy marten]

They used to start their end of year devlogs with super exciting shit.

[toxic valley]

tornado now has sea radar

[hushed rain]

for the love of the game

[formal sable]

I'm gonna need someone to teach me top tier at some point

I'm on the struggle bus

[toxic valley]

shoota the missile 👍

[toxic valley]

https://warthunder.com/en/news/9831-development-sea-defender-ak-225-enhttps://warthunder.com/en/news/9832-development-type-03-chu-sam-advanced-deadly-en

https://warthunder.com/en/news/9832-development-type-03-chu-sam-advanced-deadly-en

foxbat incoming

[formal sable]

How to shoot da missile. In the best way.

[real oak]

YES

PLEASE

BROOO

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[toxic valley]

Is that a super hornet?

[hushed rain]

yessir

[toxic valley]

[hushed rain]

again I expect trailer Tomorrow

[toxic valley]

Maybe something that might vaguely have a chance against aesa typhoon

And a gripen is there too

[real oak]

https://tenor.com/view/saab-jas39-gripen-jet-sweden-gif-13885455134311096133

🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

[toxic valley]

Does that super hornet have the possibility to get gunslinger 🤨

I dont think im built for Meteors V Meteors V 120D/C-7 top tier

[rare bone]

in the ak-240 or what ever they literally said “speed: medium”

[mossy marten]

@valid birch

[gusty sedge]

They better be adding meteors

Meteor is the 🐐

[valid birch]

Holy moly

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[hushed rain]

dude what movie is from

[valid birch]

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

[hushed rain]

oh my god thank you

[toxic valley]

IRIS-T and ASRAAM too

Itd be weird to add AESA typhoons and not give them the LERX and new weapons and such

[fleet halo]

it specified block 2 which gives me hope

will definitely have to have aesa at least

[fleet halo]

if meteors end up having the same level of chaff resistance as mica's and aim-120D's dont I may have to retire from top tier until I get the mirage 2k in china

[mossy marten]

@turbid cradle

[turbid cradle]

time to stockpile one morbillion sl

🤑

[gusty sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/mao-gif-25413392

[fleet halo]

I swear to chungus if euro F-35s get meteor in this chungus game I'm gonna chungus myself

[toxic valley]

Cant wait for that era

[gusty sedge]

The US is destined to get perpetually mogged by its own airframes in other nations because the USAF always operates the most boring rizzless non upgraded aircraft while all the export customers get freaky with it

[toxic valley]

[fleet halo]

china eating good

so glad I started grinding it

[fleet halo]

The US is destined to get perpetually mogged
You can end the sentence right there

[hushed rain]

hell yeah

j7d is so much fun too

still no trailer yet

im still predicting it dropping today but

it has passed the normal 11am drop time for war thunder videos

oh right i forgot they kinda just drop the trailers fucking whenever they feel like it

unlike the schedule for the war thunder channel videos

[rare bone]

😱 the homeless man in my attic just bought a new lamborghini

[formal sable]

The prices that gaijin think they want to charge is INSANE

[hushed rain]

<@&1278618075792539648> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNSOjQPgk_k

[toxic valley]

I recogonize that cockpit.

[mossy marten]

Trailer is 10/10

[queen imp]

mig-25, rhino, m10, and infantry things

looks cool

[hushed rain]

super hornet is cool

gripen e was

lacking an appearance

[real oak]

WHERE IOS MY GRIPEN E 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[turbid cradle]

Have an fps instead

[real oak]

dawg 😭

is the swedish aesa plane the firends we made along the way 😭

[wintry copper]

J-10C time

please gaijin give PL-15s it would be so funny

[toxic valley]

CINEMA

--

[dapper osprey]

supa hornet!

[rare bone]

ITS HERE

MONEY

MONEY

MONEY

[frail crag]

REAL SUPER HORNET 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

https://youtu.be/eqptpxxapTg?si=3Z4WcV2ReiKqTSTy

[placid sail]

IOS? bro got that apple pilled gripen

[toxic valley]

infantry looks fire if i dont have to play tanks to play infantry

do we think infantry tech tree lol?

[nova crown]

probably lol

[toxic valley]

starting from whence 🤔

and ending in whence

premium XM8 for america ifantry

[toxic valley]

yes

im noticing theres no planes

premium xm25

is there gonna be uptiers lmao

the guy with a lee enfield watching the M60 mow down everyone

[wintry copper]

tfw you're in a T-44 and you watch the IS-3 get its shit blown smoove off by an AT4

[hushed rain]

probably for the best initially

balance the mode before adding something so realistically hard to balance like planes

[hushed rain]

LMFAOFOAOFA

[fleet halo]

they're gonna add a javelin operator in the tech tree and they'll find a way to make it the weakest anti-tank infantry class in that br

[fleet halo]

great trailer

no gunsligner 😔

[hushed rain]

aim9m on super hornet kek

[fleet halo]

Also I wonder if the leak of the mig-25 being an event vehicle is wrong

cause it's hella prominent in the trailer

[mossy marten]

GaY-25 part of the trailer is so funny

Pisses me off bruh

Russtards act like the blackbird doesn’t exist.

[mossy marten]

Yes

Because it wasn’t accurate

Japan has always had the red dot flag

Rising sun was the IJN flag

[gusty sedge]

Can't wait to apply for the Infantry Cock and Ball Torture

[toxic valley]

dev stream in 5 mins

https://tenor.com/view/conquest-stand-ready-for-my-arrival-stand-ready-for-my-arrival-worm-invincible-viltrumite-gif-6245258362361743117

the typhoon with 8 meteors locking the super hornet

fireball is 4.3 premium

rhino is 14.3

:(

[gusty sedge]

MOGGGG

[toxic valley]

its so over

[gusty sedge]

SEE YOU IN HELL AMERITARDS

EUROFIGHTER FOR EVAAAAA

[toxic valley]

these things are the same br as the rhino

THEY HAVE MORE MISSILES

[gusty sedge]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Imma bust

[toxic valley]

doesnt seem like theyre doing the newest model tho

thius one

with the upcoming extension and new irst

[gusty sedge]

And the German one gets PIRATE

Hell yeah

[toxic valley]

i think they all do?

[gusty sedge]

Yes

But we didn't used to

[toxic valley]

too bad war thunder wont let me log in because gaijin and sony cannot create a functional platform

ts is a planetside vehicle

no meteor or iris-t or asraam </3

10.3 is crazy

F-14 at like 2.0 br lower

10.7 sorry

"this version the PD is for the winter event, we have some other vehicles for the event but theyre not ready yet"

reached 2.97 at 15,000 before ripping

[gusty sedge]

10.3 is devious

[toxic valley]

10.7

10.3 was the grb

[gusty sedge]

Same thing

[toxic valley]

me when i lie

[gusty sedge]

Same br as my goddamn F-5C with 2 Aim-9Es

[toxic valley]

am i doing something wrong

the txt file has the right text and everything

[dapper osprey]

my fellow ameritards...

bleak or peak...

[toxic valley]

china gets an abrams

[toxic valley]

bleak

its so over

14.3 superh ornet

still with aim-120c-5s and 9m

[dapper osprey]

[toxic valley]

vs modern typhoons and j-10c

its so over

[real oak]

"the thing you all are expecting for sweden will probably arrive soon"

[hushed rain]

cool

gripen E essentially confirmed

[real oak]

https://tenor.com/view/mango-mustard-family-guy-quagmire-brainrot-gif-13561368255039748895

[hushed rain]

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN

THERE IS A RAFALE?

[toxic valley]

what 😭

[hushed rain]

IDK OXY JUST SAID

"And there is a rafale.."

[toxic valley]

britain gets indian rafale

[hushed rain]

and no other context

what does that mean

[toxic valley]

imagine that lmao

[hushed rain]

no trust

america gets canadian rafale

[toxic valley]

britains top tier in 2 years is F-35, Typhoon FGR.4, and Indian Rafale

[hushed rain]

ameritards

we're so back

canadian rafale

trust

[hushed rain]

they actually mentioned it

it's coming

[real oak]

yeah ik

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-squid-game-2-cheers-happy-excited-gif-13406404385856133045

[gusty sedge]

Nuh uh

[hushed rain]

yuh uh

[real oak]

"i think out colleges will show that soon"

[hushed rain]

what does it mean GRAHHG

guys if you think about it

russia will get f22 to stay balanced

because alaska has f22s

and alaska was once apart of russia

so clearly

oh

the rafale is just

another french rafale lol

it's a rafale M

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1371654940304347180/1444201094375931944/togif.gif

leak from two hours before dev

[toxic valley]

Meteor rafale i imagine

So what can russia get when we enter the meteor era

I imagine the gunslinger is probably not that good

For america

Aim-120c-7 or d maybe 🤔

[hushed rain]

ehh

current rafale in game is really weird because

its like.. kinda an F4?

which is plenty capable of carrying meteors

[rare bone]

it should get r-44-1s

[hushed rain]

F3R was the first one with meteors

oh i guess the one in game is an F3R

[rare bone]

i think the germany is gonna get the su-57 for balancing because germany had pushed into russia in 1942

and real

[hushed rain]

the rafale M is gonna be a really odd addition

cause it isnt as capable as the current C in game

[rare bone]

they dont need it at all

[hushed rain]

yeah

i mean its only purpose as far as i could understand would be like

more CAS for GRB

but for air its... rather pointless

unless they decide to drop meteors and pl15s and whatever this update

[rare bone]

they need to add more multi-vehicle spaa at 10.7

with aim 9x

[hushed rain]

i dont concern myself with the opinions of ground rb players

[rare bone]

i play everything

except…

naval

[toxic valley]

I think they wouldve shown them, probably wasnt in the scope for this update

[hushed rain]

exactly why the addition of a rafale M feels rather pointless

[toxic valley]

[dapper osprey]

aim-9x

fucking put it on the plane gaijin

fucker

[rare bone]

they gonna add that to an aircraft?

[wintry copper]

J-10C isnt getting anything lmao

DoA

[toxic valley]

Doesnt get pl-12?

[rare bone]

i dont think that was teased in the trailer

[wintry copper]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxARt9_0Z925LzpnFUWalOpBayml-Fjytl

[hushed rain]

pl12 is like

comparable to aim120a

better missiles have been added

[wintry copper]

^^

also the 30MKM doesn't have functional TVC right now

broken FM

[rare bone]

DEV IS OPEN????

Biggest naval update this year

[toxic valley]

Interesting

[hushed rain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1371654940304347180/1444201094375931944/togif.gif

im crying did they actually make the AESA typhoons entirely different aircraft

like not even foldered just

another 400k+ RP grind so you get 2 more missiles and an aesa

[real oak]

the swedish f 18 is like 400k rp for hmcs

and 120c instead of b

[hushed rain]

still struggling to understand the point of the M rafale

[fleet halo]

C SEVEN!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/bee-movie-layton-t-montgomery-monty-montgomery-67-6-7-gif-9758470031245276788

[toxic valley]

Its bc they have slightly different loadouts and also so that they can give it meteors and other missiles and make it a higher br without executing the old plane like the tornados

[fleet halo]

they might folder them if they release somethin after the typhoon

[toxic valley]

get yo bi

[fleet halo]

but no point in foldering them now

[fleet halo]

ay nvm just noticed that it's for da nasms

they actually just hate america I guess

[toxic valley]

well see its bc america skipped the tech tree irl (f-22)

[fleet halo]

if gaijin has any hair on their chest they would release an F-22 as the only 5th gen for a couple months to simulate our 15ish years of 5th gen dominance

[fleet halo]

pl-15s were mentioned in the leaks

were they not in the dev stream?

[toxic valley]

id be down for a single update cycle of f-22 vs aesa typhoons

[hushed rain]

nope

prolly not coming

this update

theres been multiple cases of weapons being in leaks but not coming with that update

[fleet halo]

yeah idk why they're putting lowkey doa stuff at 14.3

[toxic valley]

i was thinking it was gonna be 13.7

[fleet halo]

nah cause normal hornet is 14.0

so they kinda have to artificially put the super hornet at a higher br

[toxic valley]

oh..

[fleet halo]

although all the br's for the US top tier stuff is weird

cause the biggest two separators for fox 3 top tier imo is kinematics and missiles

so stuff like the super hornet and golden eagle being out at 14.3 is odd cause their only practical upgrade is the aesa radar which doesnt really increase your pk by that much

also is the new aesa euro also only gonna be at 14.3?

[toxic valley]

Evidently so

Might get moved up if they receive the further upgrades

I mean at the end of the day its the typhoons now but with 4 more amraams

[toxic valley]

Just like you said here the aesa isnt some huge world shifting thing

[gusty sedge]

2 more

6 -> 8

[fleet halo]

allegedly all the normal typhoons might be getting the additional amraams too

which would make the new eurofighters just a sensor upgrade

[toxic valley]

I can only imagine its future proofing

[fleet halo]

https://youtu.be/KZVWm3ntRNc?t=4m2s

timestamped

25's wings rip off at like mach 1.04ish at low altitude which is wild

[hushed rain]

probably an excuse to have a seperate typhoon to give meteors to when the time comes

[real oak]

this is going to be burned into every mig 25's players monitors

[toxic valley]

Exactly what im thinking, like the two Tornado F’s

[toxic valley]

me when i lowk gotta crash for no reason

[frail crag]

https://youtu.be/zcG34aSCwWE?si=Udp99Sk-cZbm7yUb <@&1278618075792539648>

Taiwanese Abrams and Japanese Su-30 caught me off guard

[wintry copper]

the MKM doesn't have its TVC yet

it

'll probably just end up being copy paste of the SM though

[mossy marten]

Taiwanbrams

China still panning out to be one of the best/coolest TT's imo

J10's, Upgraded Flankers, Abrams, AESA based anti-air

The Mirage has MICA's

[formal sable]

It's an interceptor, not supposed to dogfight

[fleet halo]

ik but still odd lol

[frail crag]

Weekly measurements convo 😭😭😭😭

FUUUUUCK

FUCK

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUYCK

@nova crown @severe nymph @timid nexus @queen imp 😭😭😭

[nova crown]

yo

this the wt chat

man

[frail crag]

Oh

OH

sorry

I zoned out while reading wt

[toxic valley]

US mains will be complainjng for 16 months and then gaijin will drop ts

[fleet halo]

they'll drop this along with J-20 and SU-57 and find a way to make them better

I wouldnt be surprised if eurofighters and rafales still end up being better just cause of meteor and mica

[toxic valley]

logically, theyd probably drop F-22 J-20 Su-57 and F-35 all at once so basically everyone gets something

like they did for apex predators, or Storm Warning

but id be down for 15.0 F-22 vs Typhoons and Rafales

[toxic valley]

also this tbh, but depending on how new of F-35's, it could end up the euro F-35's also have the meteors too

[fleet halo]

https://tenor.com/view/endgame-now-gif-14938794

@mossy marten

[toxic valley]

why does the J10 come of the f-16 and go into the mirage instead of the j-11?

[fleet halo]

I think the left branch is supposed to be the "light fighter" branch

while the middle one is heavier fighters

[toxic valley]

R-60M has some crazy irccm

[dapper osprey]

Harrier gaming

[fleet halo]

@gusty sedge apparently the hornet has nctr

but only in the cockpit radar

fuck this stupid chungus game

like even in tws all the contacts suffixes just show up on radar

ah nvm

[real oak]

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

oh

[fleet halo]

turns out it's just counting the contacts

I saw 18 and 16 in my last game on the radar so I assumed it was nctr

although there is a fuggin nctr button highlighted 😭

[nova crown]

Euro f35 does not have meteor

[toxic valley]

not yet

[nova crown]

The farthest they have gotten is fitting it in the bay

[toxic valley]

thats certainly enough for gaijin

[nova crown]

It might be close enough for wt tho

Also meteor might be kinda ass for wt tbh

People think range is everything but impulse and manuverabilty are bigger players. And meteor will get slimed in every regard for that

[formal sable]

I would rather have a short-medium range missile with wild turning and counter-counter measures.

[toxic valley]

so ASRAAM

[gusty sedge]

The dual AMRAAM rails for the EF were also only tried and not used and now every single EF in game is getting them ...

[gusty sedge]

It will make anything without a MAWS unflyable

Right now if you are cruising around in the Streagle you only need to defend it you know there's a guy that could have shot you

But if the missile has 3x the range and can cruise for minutes now you need to be extremely paranoid because

a) you can't outrun a meteor at the ranges in WT (you basically spawn within Raero) and

b) the missile could be coming in from anywhere at any time because range is not a real factor

Could be meta to go off to the side and and shoot at weird aspect people don't expect to have to defend from

[toxic valley]

The Harrier GR.1 has SRAAMS based off ???????
The GR.7 has guns that were theoretically cleared to mount but never were

Many such cases

I might take 4x amraam, 2x sidwinders, 4x meteor tbh

[fleet halo]

I've been trying to look for the J-7D's RWR in the cockpit on and off for ages

finally found it

peak design

[toxic valley]

why would you 😭

[fleet halo]

cause it kept bothering me that it had RWR ui but I couldn't find the physical one in the cockpit

[toxic valley]

Why would they put it there

Who couldve possibly thought that was a good idea

[fleet halo]

maybe it was put there before the hud was

[toxic valley]

Hornet rwr moment

[fleet halo]

or the war thunder cockpit isn't 100% accurate but idk about that

[fleet halo]

that one is odd cause I think you're meant to have the EWAR page up

I think they actually got rid of the RWR in super hornets rn

[toxic valley]

Idk i dont play the hornet i just know you cant see half the rwr in dcs

[fleet halo]

cause it lowkey became outdated cause of aesa and shi

[formal sable]

OH THATS SO COOL

How do I use the stuff I dont have unlocked?

Or is that not a thing you can do?

[formal sable]

They have this thing in real life called "leaning".

[formal sable]

Lol

Dumb question, but how do I get the zoom command to toggle? I dont want to have to hold it down

Uh what the fuck

[formal sable]

Jesus it wiped all of my controls, dammit

[formal sable]

So...I see nothing about the dev server that makes me want to play with it. I thought I'd be able to access everything and try it out.

[hushed rain]

common settings

zoom keybind

[formal sable]

?

[hushed rain]

yeah

that should be a toggle

thats what i have bind

[formal sable]

Tis not a toggle

[hushed rain]

gulp.....

uhhh

it must be some other setting then

ill check my settings rq

[hushed rain]

no clue

[formal sable]

It's ok. It was only on the dev server. When I went back it reverted

I soould have mentioned that, I'm sorry

[fleet halo]

@mossy marten you didn't tell me that the J-10A only has 72 countermeasures 😭

[mossy marten]

It's time to chad up homie, we're fighting with our backs against the wall compared to those dirty westerners

but yeah, it doesn't have a lot BUT It's never hindered me

[fleet halo]

I rely on chaff like crazy for top tier

prolly just gonna end up taking like a 60/12 split for chaff

or whatever is closest to it

[hushed rain]

okay this is actually like a question I've always had

is there a reason why like IRL western planes have so many more countermeasures than eastern planes

[mossy marten]

I'm go on a limb and ASSUME it's because Western nations actually use their air assets more often in conflicts and have arrived at the conclusion that more is better due to experience.

Western planes used to also only have like 60 cms

back yonder ago

[toxic valley]

eastern planes also dont have BOL pod equivalents right?

[fleet halo]

could just be a mix of doctrine and/or perceived practicality vs weight/cost savings

Maybe their air forces just think there won't practically be a morbillion missiles fired at their aircraft in one sortie and that low amount of countermeasures + the ability to just go cold when a missile is fired at you is enough

[gusty sedge]

Real BVR tactics also don't rely on you going into the notch and furiously spamming chaff so that might be a factor

[hushed rain]

i mean

maybe it comes from the difference in multirole doctorine?

im sure being able to carry a shit ton of cms when doing ground attack/CAS is more ideal

soviets still made (and primarily used) dedicated attack aircraft for so long after western countries while we started making our fighters do everything

[fleet halo]

Mig-25PD has MTI radar on the dev server now

so it should be relatively good at top down attacks now 🔥

[formal sable]

Where do I go to test it out on the dev server? I can’t find it in the tree

[fleet halo]

allegedly it's for content creators only rn

I think there might be a youtube video that explains how everyone else can use it but I haven't watched it yet and it's from MatAWG who is just war thunder news slop

[fleet halo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0vRNT0Xluk

[toxic valley]

8 videos within 2 hours

[formal sable]

Streamer bias smh

[toxic valley]

My friend was flying it hmm

[fleet halo]

you can do this too apparently

[formal sable]

Jesus I don’t want to turn this into a job lol

[formal sable]

But thank you for finding this

[formal sable]

Should I be running with more chaff than flares?

Right now I have them roughly even

[hushed rain]

depends on your play style

arh are far more common though

assuming you're talking about top tier

[formal sable]

Yeah. I like to get in close and knife fight, so I’d assume more flares, but getting into range is a problem

[toxic valley]

Theres no way it can stay at 10.7 dude

[gusty sedge]

ACE

[real oak]

😭

[toxic valley]

Ts at 11.3 and the 25PD at 10.7 🥀

[hushed rain]

i understand now

casual 7 kill game in f4e no problem

[fleet halo]

🔥 🇨🇳 🇨🇳 🔥

[fleet halo]

🟦 ah clouds

[frail crag]

YOOOOOOO

My man ready fo that J-10C

[hushed rain]

gripen E in dev server

completely unfinished

[real oak]

It is ?????

[hushed rain]

ye

its fucked rn

only model is really finished

but its still in there!

[real oak]

https://tenor.com/view/i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-i-used-to-pray-meek-mill-dreams-and-nightmares-dreams-and-nightmares-michael-jordan-gif-4600240804856944817

[hushed rain]

su30sm2 is also actually different now

stupid radar

even more gimble than the ef2k aesas

[real oak]

the model is finished 😭

it is a blob of gel

[hushed rain]

didnt say anything about textures

theyre just soothing people over i think

its not even remotely ready but they just wanted people to not go crazy

[gusty sedge]

The nagotiator (I have no bombs)

[gusty sedge]

[hushed rain]

which radar is this

[real oak]

200x180

https://tenor.com/view/funusemoji-money-money-mouth-money-mouth-emoji-gif-17360109880561683438

[hushed rain]

gripen..?

[real oak]

yes gripen

[hushed rain]

also

su30sm2 radar LMFAO

[real oak]

what 😭

[hushed rain]

cant wait to fire a r27er while notching

[real oak]

mf you can fire a r27 when rtb

[fleet halo]

with all these jets getting aesa all of a sudden I wonder why the golden eagle was released so early

[hushed rain]

okay so the r77-1 has enough energy and pull that you can kinda just fire one at someone while flying away from them

that kinda radar with a mica would actually be the worst thing ever

[fleet halo]

@real oak we should grind canard light fighters together 👉 👈

[real oak]

bro the dev server is so unfair 😭

mig 21 vs gripen c

[fleet halo]

um

wot

are there 13.3 mig-21's???

[toxic valley]

notably this is also just 13.3

[real oak]

there are so few players in the dev server so that you get matched with lower br

[fleet halo]

ah you said gripen c

[toxic valley]

theres ones that see it

[real oak]

f104 vs aim 120

im 13.7

[fleet halo]

oh that's rough

[real oak]

[toxic valley]

the bison is the highest

[fleet halo]

evil

[real oak]

yeah but they are at the deck going mach 1 and im at 37000 feet and going mach 1.6 with aim 120

[fleet halo]

I dont even think their rwr's can see 120

ik the f-4's cant in dcs at least lmao

Ask me how I know

[real oak]

yo 😭

[fleet halo]

kynabas get off dev server

they have nothing for you there

gripen e aint even textured yet blud

[real oak]

oh no

[fleet halo]

are you the only top tier in that match lmao

[toxic valley]

historical matchmaking

[real oak]

oh oh

alr i was the better dogfighter

[real oak]

yeah lol

[real oak]

yeah but i could be killing 10.0 aircraft with a maw and aesa radar

[fleet halo]

ah you're in the vc now

omw

[gusty sedge]

I swear to fucking God can't gave shit in Detroit

Everyone getting a fucking 200+ degree AESA except the german EF

[gusty sedge]

Real

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[hushed rain]

US mains doomed to be infinitely cucked by gaijin

[formal sable]

It’s because the EF is ugly and ashamed of itself

[formal sable]

Yep we struggle. That’s why I partly switched over to Russia. My performance isnt quite the same though

[toxic valley]

All the efs dont get the crazy aesa

[fleet halo]

@nova crown turning down terrain displacement quality then restarting your computer might fix the war thunder frame drops

seems to have worked for me

[fleet halo]

Finally beat china @mossy marten @frail crag 🗣️ 🇨🇳

[mossy marten]

#beastmode

[toxic valley]

Is Gripen E so over for swede bros or is it so back

[real oak]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-oh-yes-gif-10040220450930874889

[toxic valley]

Its still a gripen at the end of the day so how back could it POSSIBLY be

[real oak]

aesa is pretty epic

maw and irst is also really cool

[toxic valley]

Dogshit radar was a notable trait of the gripen true

Oh thats a huge W

Is the IRST integrated or is it a pod

[real oak]

integrated

just locked a dude at 25km with irst

he has no idea

[toxic valley]

Does it have the missiles to utilise this?

[real oak]

aim 9

[toxic valley]

Can it handoff locks between radar and irst

[real oak]

and you even get a gun pipper

yes

one click to go from radar to irst

[toxic valley]

Are typhoonbros so over

[real oak]

kreiger is missing out on 20 degrees fov on the aesa

[toxic valley]

So am i lol

It has a better engine doesnt it

Does it not dogfight like a paper bag in wind

[real oak]

the engine is the same rn

it will be upgraded

[real oak]

the gripen c lowkey already slimes everything out

[placid sail]

[real oak]

your ef2k will loose out on 20 fov

i can lock people behind me 🤑

[gusty sedge]

I will leak classified documents until we get the 200° we deserve

[fleet halo]

the big thing limiting the gripen was its missile count

which the E is buffing to 7

[toxic valley]

Well i had to fly the fuckass s. African one

[gusty sedge]

Future reference

[fleet halo]

rape points

[real oak]

7 aim 120 and 2 aim 9

[fleet halo]

aim 9s dont count

[real oak]

https://tenor.com/view/warthunder-gif-25463445

[fleet halo]

if they did then top tier jets wouldn't come with two fox 3's before stock grinding

[nova crown]

how is it asymmetric

4.5 missiles on each side

[real oak]

center pylon

[nova crown]

I figured

thats awesome, why cant us fighters do this

[frail crag]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-sunset-gif-5213179698021177410

I knew my goat could do it

[hushed rain]

why are aim9ms lowkey shit

[toxic valley]

because fuck you

luckily 9m tier is also chinese premium bot tier so you can use them on those

[fleet halo]

@gusty sedge vc

[gusty sedge]

@fleet halo vc

[fleet halo]

golden eagle getting like 4 more amraams

which brings it up to 12 amraams like the super hornet (doa)

[toxic valley]

gaijin REALLY wants the F-15 to be competitive man </3

does it have to tkae the CFTS for those extra?

[hushed rain]

not

nope

they go on the wing racks

its also getting BOLs idk if those were there before

oh it already had them

[fleet halo]

https://forum.warthunder.com/t/christmas-and-new-year-s-gifts-await-you-in-the-winter-concert-event/291134

Winter event starting on the 19th

[toxic valley]

I hope they have another wallpaper for the foxbat

[formal sable]

I want the mig

[formal sable]

God yes

[gusty sedge]

@fleet halo VC

[real oak]

gripen e radar buff 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏

[fleet halo]

odd message to replay to

doesn't it have a skin now too?

[real oak]

yes

it is "finished"

[real oak]

misstake

9 missiles and fixed engine/radar/irst and more

[toxic valley]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804143271122567228/1449529037436489899/6Xd0Nxk.png?ex=693f3a9d&is=693de91d&hm=8bc94279e04ed4c3d0d56f6b060f2a369aa76ac906ccc9ec7472c0f21b81de91&

Gaijin media team drops BEST WALLPAPER EVER asked to KEEP COOKING

[hushed rain]

update tomorrow trust

also super hornet might get IRST pod?

[fleet halo]

would be interesting

especially if the 15C and 16C gets legion pod as well

[next kestrel]

meteor is ingame already?

[fleet halo]

nah but US is forever stuck with 120 which gaijin is going to gimp like crazy

[next kestrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/839494041514278943/1408036005616812103/togif.gif

[fleet halo]

[formal sable]

Nice

[gusty sedge]

<@&1278618075792539648> Update dropped

[formal sable]

Of course it did, while I’m trying and failing to sleep

[hushed rain]

you know what the snail wishes soldier

gotta get that su30sm2 💪

[fleet halo]

https://breakingdefense.com/2025/09/f-35-block-4-upgrade-delayed-until-at-least-2031-gao/

F-35 in war thunder never getting block 4

[hushed rain]

americitoids lose again

[toxic valley]

gaijin asked to keep cooking

[fleet halo]

@real oak the gripen E is 14.0

which is wild

[toxic valley]

this sucks

[real oak]

ill be going up against f14 with my 180km 200x200 aesa radar and 7 aim 120c-5

[fleet halo]

I think the only thing that the j-10C has over the gripen is one more missile + pl-12s

maybe more thrust

but other than that the gripen has a better radar and similar missile count 😭

based sweden bias though

[real oak]

they nerfed the radar a bit since the dev server

from 220 km to 180 and the scan is slower

still the gripen not being 14.3 is crazy 😭

[gusty sedge]

46km kill shot

[formal sable]

Why is it so far away?

[formal sable]

A…slower scan…on an AESA?

[fleet halo]

@gusty sedge if you press this button next to the radar you can filter out friendlies

huge for aesa

there's prolly a bind for it too but idk

[real oak]

you can do that for any radar with iff

[gusty sedge]

Bing chilling

I'm glad they so thoroughly labeled it

[fleet halo]

yeah I saw that earlier today and thought it was a graphics driver bug lmao

I had text but out like crazy for the longest time in war thunder cause of my drivers

[formal sable]

Just downloaded the update...my sleep for tonight is forfeit

[formal sable]

Woot

[fleet halo]

@nova crown sm2's radar is disgusting

[nova crown]

what the flip

[fleet halo]

watching another vid and it seems like 240 degrees

[nova crown]

was this dev server or live?

I heard it was bugged in dev server

and was 120 each direction instead of 120 total

[fleet halo]

live i think

[nova crown]

or something like that

[fleet halo]

the vids are from today at least

[wintry copper]

it's not bugged

unfortunately

[hushed rain]

that's the most it can scan at once

it's full gimble is 240° but it only can do 120° in a scan

[nova crown]

oh yeah thats it

[hushed rain]

u mightve also seen someone just saying its 120±

which is also correct

[toxic valley]

Does the sm2 not have MAWS?

[gusty sedge]

@real oak https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/s/kW0gED3487

[gusty sedge]

No, it also only gets like 80 CMS

[toxic valley]

[real oak]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-reaction-meme-haha-emoji-gif-gif-17470264342123209059

[gusty sedge]

You would, don't deny it

[hushed rain]

ermmmm 96

[turbid cradle]

couldnt ask for more f5's

[toxic valley]

lore accurate 1970s

[toxic valley]

trust

[formal sable]

Oops! All F-5s!

[mossy marten]

FG?

[real oak]

huh

[toxic valley]

frame gen

[real oak]

foreground

i see

[mossy marten]

#beast

[real oak]

https://tenor.com/view/funusemoji-money-money-mouth-money-mouth-emoji-gif-17360109880561683438

[fleet halo]

is that gripen e or just a livery for gripen c?

[toxic valley]

c

[real oak]

c with a e livery

e has the ecm pylons at the end of the wing

[fleet halo]

ah gotcha

[fleet halo]

@nova crown the flags at the top of the scoreboard get reduced as people die

so near the end of the match you can guestimate what aircraft the remaining guys are

so in this case the last guy is a prolly a eurofighter lol

[hushed rain]

so fucking useful for sim btw

[fleet halo]

@gusty sedge @real oak havent watched the vid yet but I'm assuming that the constant hits and crits is in fact a bug

yeah 1 minute in and he already said the word "fuck" (he never curses)

missiles are 100% bugged

[formal sable]

Huh, your premium vehicles get to live in the hangar, while the TT vics have to live outside lol

[formal sable]

Should get it sometime next year

[real oak]

@fleet halo

😭

-# f22 refrance

[fleet halo]

https://tenor.com/view/f22pulling-f22raptor-raptor-f22-gif-27356054

I saw a reel about F-22 rapetor vs grippin

they used those terms

[real oak]

i saw one with

[fleet halo]

grippen won

[real oak]

"f22 raper and the jas39 gripper"

[fleet halo]

oh I think it was that one

[real oak]

yeah 😭

[fleet halo]

go kill a howitzer off the rip or somethin

[real oak]

yeah aesa is fucked

🥀

it keeps tweaking out

it worked on dev 😭

how does one fuck ts up

[fleet halo]

ikr

like is that not the entire point of the dev server 😭

[toxic valley]

why does aesa have a slower scan rate than the mesa 😭

[hushed rain]

ruzzia power

[nova crown]

moly

[toxic valley]

they gave the regular one the 8s

new ui

[mossy marten]

it's the man in the box 😎

[golden hull]

i finally have access to sarh on the mig23mla

it’s so nice

consistently able to drop like 2-3 kill games at 11.7

need to bind pitch up on my controller to dodge aim 7s easier tho

[turbid cradle]

War thunder 50% off 🥹

[real oak]

🤑

[hushed rain]

[toxic valley]

I JUST BOUGHT GE

BRO

i got the baby

HUGE SL SALE TOO

RIGHT AFTER I BUY THE HAWK

[formal sable]

Sale?

[gusty sedge]

Isnt the hawk absymal dogshit

[toxic valley]

its a silly little fella

other option for 10.7 is jaguar, or sea harrier

also the 11.3 one is even funnier bc it has pd radar and skyflashes

and they both get mavs and cruise ashms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqMQ1FR5v6s infantry stream in 22 mins

considering getting the m29 sniper

because basically every vehicle in here, plus the m29, i like

[toxic valley]

the guns look really satisfying

[formal sable]

Are you playing against player vehicles?

Like I’m thinking this works like a normal match with infantry flavor sprinkles mixed in

[humble basin]

its prolly gonna be a new mode where tanks, planes, and helicopters you can spawn after getting enough SP. Just a guess

[fleet halo]

if aircraft is added in that'll be hella interesting

cause then I think war thunder will be the first FPS (that I can think of) that actually has realistic jets that can drop 10 mile jdams onto infantry

[humble basin]

just watched a bit of the stream yah itll have tank and helicopters I didnt watch enough to see if there are planes.

[toxic valley]

this is stream ofc

you arethough

there will be no planes, the maps are too small

this is a seperate gamemode, it doesnt not replace normal ground rb

tanks are locked to sim view, they are still single person

vehicles are spawned the same as infantry, that is to say just like normal ground rb

theres a lot more infantry than tanks

tanks are kinda fucked on this map, giving that its tight urban combat with multi level buildings and many intersection streets

the techj tree is planned to start around late korean war, and then advance to complete modern (M5 and AS VAL shown)

[fleet halo]

so weapons are gonna be locked behind a tech tree?

[toxic valley]

of sorts

some sort of progression

the cbt will just have a selection of weapons available tho

attachments will come later and presumably the same kind of progression you usually see in shooters/war thunder modifictions

[golden hull]

damn if i bought $15 of sl like two days ago

idk how to decide between phantom ii and hornet

[fleet halo]

for premium?

go for f-5c

pahntom ii and hornet lowkey blows cause you get uptiered to fox 3s

[golden hull]

idk why but i yearn for missles

[toxic valley]

doesnt the f-4s have and hmd while the prem hornet doesnt?

[golden hull]

i’m not sure

i think i might get the cf-188 and use phantom ii for american tree

but maybe bison idk

[toxic valley]

My yt recs are full of BISON IS ACTUALLY THE BEST PLANE EVER YOU HAVE TO BUY THAT INSTEAD OF THR HORNETM

Notably, theyre all videos from channels with names such as “R-60Master”

[golden hull]

bison looks like a great aircraft but the hornet speaks to my heart more

hornet up tiers seem like hell tho

[gusty sedge]

If the F-5 is on sale you should 100% get that, it's an incredibly consistent grinder

Your energy retention above mach 0.9 is goated, you can basically kill anything in ACM as long as you don't pull too hard and drop below rate

If you play smart it's like 2-3 kills every match

[formal sable]

1Yeah it sucks rn

[mossy marten]

#beast

glad I waited

[mossy marten]

@fleet halo @nova crown

[real oak]

bru i bought the gripen e for full price 😭

[real oak]

aim 120 would never 😭

[toxic valley]

I cannot believe they gave the older typhoon the 8 amraams

Why even bother with the aesa rn 😭

I dont need the 2% better chance of hitting

Im already notching by the time anyone else fired a missioe

[fleet halo]

discount doesnt apply to new aircraft

[real oak]

damn

[toxic valley]

america ukraine sub tree 14.0 premium

trust

[golden hull]

wait are all aircraft 50% silver lions too?

i haven’t been on yet

also until when in sale

[fleet halo]

bruh an F-15 would actually have to turn 90 degrees to the right for an amraam to even have a chance of hitting 😭

[golden hull]

i might need to get my disabled ass on asap

[fleet halo]

ye everything that didnt come out the other day is 50% off

[toxic valley]

yes

[fleet halo]

aesa unrioncally is really good at keeping tws tracks for datalink guidance

well it's lowkey bugged rn but still pretty good at it

[toxic valley]

i guees 🤔

[fleet halo]

not worth 420k rp though

[toxic valley]

yeah

[real oak]

yeah i was about to say

[fleet halo]

plus however much longer it takes to stock grind

[real oak]

ts is so ahh

[toxic valley]

not until it gets LERX and or AIM-132 and Meteor

unless i run out of vehicles to spade ig

[nova crown]

It might be

[nova crown]

The big thing is you can guide missiles and chaff/notch at the same time

Makes top tier 10x more survivable

[toxic valley]

i can do that already 🤔

[nova crown]

Nah captor m radar boundaries are 70 degrees left and right

[toxic valley]

thats 70??

swear its 175

[nova crown]

Its 140 total

Captor e (aesa) in GB and IT is 200

So you can track beyond the 3/9 line

[toxic valley]

yeah i know it can see behind it but i can still guide and notch because im not approaching the enemies directly

also i kinda dont like playing the typhoon bc of how easy it is too

[nova crown]

Only way this is possible is if someone more than 20 degrees off the target you shot is the one shooting at you

[toxic valley]

ya

[nova crown]

Which can be true but is not an easy situation to create

So yeah aesa is nice kinda for finding targets but mostly for chaffing and notching

[nova crown]

Yeah thats the issue, for US f-5 or f-4s is your best bet, but overall the bison is criminally overpowered, of every jet I have out of 3 tech trees it is the most fun

I completed GB and still play the bison

[mossy marten]

@real oak

[real oak]

bro 😭

when i get missiles that will turn 😭 😭

[golden hull]

whoops i was under the impression it was also the 50% off pack sale

looks like i’ll only be buying premium for now

[fleet halo]

premium and packsales might happen in a week or two

[golden hull]

yeah that’s what i saw online so fingers crossed

need to spend this warrior pay and give china my money

[fleet halo]

@frail crag

[gusty sedge]

Absolutely worth

[gusty sedge]

The so called "minor upgrade"

[fleet halo]

holy hornets