DCS

[nocturne kite]

Right now the phantom is winning tho. But who knows, I might get enough money by the winter sale to get both🤞🤞

[violet brook]

what do you have rn? just the two fc3 planes right

[nocturne kite]

Yea. Getting the Skyhawk next week (it be free)

[violet brook]

oh ye great lil thing

[nocturne kite]

Loving the SU-33 and F-15C tho

[violet brook]

id be def down to fly out either of those with ya in the meantime

i <3 fc3 planes

[nocturne kite]

Might get a track IR soon

[violet brook]

i need to consider getting a proper head tracker

i use webcam for it rn

[nocturne kite]

Only $150-$200 for me lol. My oculus 2 is just artifacting like crazy whenever I turn my head

Or I might get the quest 3 (the cheap one)

[violet brook]

3s?

and yeah i mean as much as id love to play dcs in vr

30 fps in free flight is not gonna do it

second i get into a mp server

https://tenor.com/view/cpu-on-smoke-cpu-blasts-potato-pc-gif-24592403

ill prolly just

make a paper tracker

in the meantime

hear its not horrible

[nocturne kite]

Yep

[wind sandal]

kiowa

[sturdy topaz]

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/FZNtAqOZGgA?si=RCuWofdz6-B55w-l

[violet brook]

oh hey

im remembering something

@nocturne kite so you want

multicrew

that's like the main thing?

[silent yarrow]

<@&1095016968643428422> Shadow Reapers or SPS red side?

[gusty pollen]

idk what those are but Shadow Reapers sounds cooler

[hushed imp]

I dont know what sps is, but shadow reapers is a fun server

I only ever play blufor though

[silent yarrow]

Strike Package Studios (SPS) Contention PvP 80’s Syria Map.

[hushed imp]

oh contention

uh I have been doing more shadow reapers recently

so uh play that, I might be on in an hr or 2

[silent yarrow]

PvE server?

[hushed imp]

theres the 80s syria pvpve one

which is the one I have been playing on

[silent yarrow]

I usually fly Red in PvP, since the only bluefor aircraft I have are the F-15C and A-10A. I do fly and enjoy them occasionally though.

JF-17 is my primary, and it is always allocated to Redfor in PvP servers.

[hushed imp]

idk play which ever side you want, if I hop on then I will just have to fly my j-11 ig

or I could trial the jeff

[silent yarrow]

I feel like the Shadow Reapers PvPvE is extremely biased towards bluefor. They have all the superior aircraft. It’s almost impossible to go up against F/A 18’s AND F-16’s AND F-14’s AND A-10’s. SPS at least balances it out a little bit.

[hushed imp]

possibly, I havent tried redfor on it

[silent yarrow]

Red essentially has Flanker’s (capable, but you’re basically flying a small semi truck), mig’s (very limited armament and capability), Frogfoot (flying tank) and the little JF-17 Thunder (almost useless in A-A 80’s environment and armaments limited for A-G.)

[wind sandal]

Blue has all of those?

Damn that’s gotta be biased af

[silent yarrow]

I checked again. Red has the 14. But blue also has the F-15C/E and Mirage 2000, Apache, Chinook etc. Yeah, going up against that? No thanks. 🏳️

[nocturne kite]

Looks like I’m getting the Phantastic Phantom folks

According to the poll

[solid cypress]

Most servers should at least have REDFOR F-14's as well as F-16's. Otherwise yeah until DCS actually update the FOX3's then just play PvE.

Theres a chinese server I play on here, redfor typically has F-14's and F-16s.

[whole cove]

I'm watching Devotion again. When are we getting a Bearcat for DCS?

[silent yarrow]

These are Fox 1 servers.

[whole cove]

hrnng sparrows

[subtle ivy]

It's a good multicrew, what else even is there besides 15

For jets, I haven't touched dcs in months

[hushed imp]

f4

[wind sandal]

Having someone almost purely dedicated to radar and INS in the tomcat is definitely nice

[violet brook]

anyone here have the viggen?

looks like a fun module

mini stroke said completely wrong plane

[hushed imp]

Iirc shuttle owns it, but I don't see him flying dcs much. Also @frozen idol volunteered? At a place that had a viggen simulator but that ran prepar

[frozen idol]

Yeah, although it is a bit different from the dcs version since you can't fire any weapons but yeah I was an instructor there

[whole cove]

was? aw man

[frozen idol]

Might go next year but I have school now so don't have time

Didn't get fired or anything though

[sturdy topaz]

mayhaps

It’s a fun plane

[violet brook]

hmm

i think my main want list is probably like

m2k
av8
viggen
f4e

[whole cove]

Meh, the M2K isn't really fantastic, I only bought it because it looks cool and flies cool.

[violet brook]

i mean

is it any fun?

i just love the m2k as a plane

[whole cove]

No idea. I have never used it outside of hoggy training, and I only flew it around clean

[violet brook]

ah

yeah i mean i just really love the m2k which is why its up there

[sturdy topaz]

haven't tried the F-4

but I can confirm those 3 are decent

M2K's goated at cold war, but it's boring once you merge since you kill everything that isn't a hornet at high speed

[violet brook]

oh lol

idk the main thing is

2 of the 4 actually have a chance of going on sale

razbam sale is never happening </3

[sage valve]

i just got run down by an m2k in a clean viper going like 780kts

i didnt know those guys were so fast

[naive osprey]

delta wing go zoooooommmmmmmmmmmmm

[unborn flame]

yeah

[sage valve]

i was straight cold on him as he was like 10 miles behind me

and then i die to guns

and im like oh

[unborn flame]

M2K moment
weighing 7lbs and a questionable FM does wonders

[sage valve]

i didnt know they dont carry fox3s

[unborn flame]

nope

530s are SARH

it can also carry GBU-12s but cant self desig

its a silly little creature that's surprisingly formidable in some situations

[sage valve]

ive never really interacted with them beyond seeing them ripping around in bms

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/qVXr9cHQI0Y?si=JlrIXvGBe9wSFLpT
LMFAO

[whole cove]

DiCcuS

[harsh notch]

Diiiicccuus

Yall wanna try to dic this weekend?

[whole cove]

Perchance

I have the need

[hushed imp]

I would like to, but unsure if I will have time. Ping me when yall hop on and I might join

[whole cove]

DCS is still fun. Was on in the Tomcot tonight. A story in 10 images

Mach 2 to 45,700 ft on Joker fuel

[whole cove]

Ace Combat 5 - 20th Anniversary

[whole cove]

Black and Red always goes crazy on the Tomcat.
Wish the Phantom paintkit comes out soon, I want to do the Aggressors F-16 livery on the Phantom too.

[whole cove]

Razgriz 1 "Blaze" aboard OFS Kestrel [CVN-30] December 10th, 2010.

I wonder if Baha planned the Aggressors' livery for the EF-24G on Razgriz?

[wide frost]

i also got some razgriz shots for the 20th anniversay of ac5

[whole cove]

Hell Yeah!

[wide frost]

some other shots

[whole cove]

I see non lore friendly liveries!

The official ones still go hard though

I wish the Phantom had canopy raindrops

The one thing I love about the 18 and 14

[wide frost]

is the phantom worth it ive been mostly flying the apache recently and havent done much fixed wing in a while

[whole cove]

Meh. Not for full price

Unless you really like to hear Jester yap your ear off and lose track of Sparrows

He can't even use the Pave Spike yet

[wide frost]

gotcha

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/p3Z4T1n69Rg?si=QYmQlqzOeiDahQ_8

[whole cove]

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3340248/
Someone beat me to the Have Glass livery for the Phantom.
Damn paint kit

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/R9-8UCj66Ds?si=oiNliD_lCELxN5Fy

[violet brook]

bombcat <3

i do kinda want the 14 as well

[whole cove]

It is a ridiculous fun

Good times

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/SWeHtpJ00JI?si=iXP-l7_01IK6AztC

[unborn flame]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22sg7n2gpyEmy2g9yR1eazZxdEytc7fp&si=Rj_AJFCuXrB9jsKZ

[whole cove]

Anyone want to DiCcuS tonite?

[whole cove]

Love Jabbers

[sturdy topaz]

depends on when

[harsh notch]

You know, im kinda down

[whole cove]

Welp, I would have been down 3 hours ago. Sorry I din't ping forgor

[harsh notch]

fair, I fell asleep fora bit 🙃

otherwise I also woulda been game at that time

[whole cove]

<@&1095016968643428422> DicCuS tonite?

[sturdy topaz]

perchance

[wise oak]

Depends on what it is

[whole cove]

idk I was just gonna fuck around on Hoggit Training again or something

[harsh notch]

Did I hear diccus?

[hushed imp]

I would be down

[whole cove]

yeees... Smoke 'em if you got 'em

[harsh notch]

Im down, can be on in like 15 minutes

[hushed imp]

im in o lounge 2 so we arent talking over anyone else

[whole cove]

@harsh notch trying to AAR with busted gear and a lowered tailhook after missing the carrier

[rugged fog]

thats an unsat

[whole cove]

He tried to glide to Kobuleti but did not make it

about a half mile short

[harsh notch]

llowered the gear about 30s too soon ;-;

Had runway made, put gear down, no longer had runway made. 😢 Didnt realise how much it would eat of my glide. F16 is not a big wing.

[whole cove]

After he ejected, his bird did a sick frontflip, so bonus points

[whole cove]

Perhaps we can try again tomorrow for more people. Anyone want to Two-Seat Tomcat gamin, lmk. I’m in a Tomcat mood lately

[hushed imp]

I would be interested in doing dcs again tomorrow, but would like to do other servers than just a training server

[thorn pagoda]

If someone RIOs for me I’ll gladly do BVR

I mean I still suck ass at it and have no TrackIR, but I can try lmfao

[wide frost]

can i get the dcs role? i would be down to join up tmrw

[sage valve]

yeah I think the flameout speed for gear up is 220 and gear down is 180

maybe 180 is too low maybe it's 190

for the viper at least

oh it appears to be about 200kts gear up and -10 for gear down so 190

7 degrees aoa is what you're shooting for

[whole cove]

You got it dude bro. Welcome aboard

[violet brook]

oh

twas a bit too late for me

if anyone wants to get on the discus this afternoon ill probably be doing some viper shenanigans

i can't wait to use webcam face tracking

[harsh notch]

Lol, i was pushing 240 nose down 10 but i also had the broken gear from messing around on the carrier. 🤣

[abstract gulch]

if you want an autist in a tomcat to fly with I might be free, I am very out of practice though fair warning

[violet brook]

never against it

[abstract gulch]

alright, ill let you know later, might get dragged off to Helldivers so no real promises

[violet brook]

fair lol

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/XOvgi5cYGXk?si=lnKvFte4vHXXBXcg

[violet brook]

man

the urge to rio the tomcat is strong

[sturdy topaz]

do we diccus today?

[whole cove]

Perchance

[violet brook]

perhaps

it's kinda late now

[wise oak]

If you guys end up DCSing ping me

[whole cove]

<@&1095016968643428422> DiCcuS naow pls? 🥺 👉 👈

[violet brook]

2nd day in a row at 9:30 pm for me </3

[harsh notch]

Totally be down at a earlier time tomorrow. Seems best fitting. Just busy at friends this evening 🙃

[burnt oracle]

My dad has a super pc now with dcs I need to tap in

[steep apex]

What server y'all usually play on

[whole cove]

Either Hoggit Training or whatever someone else decides

[wide frost]

If yall still on in 30 I’d be down to hop on a server with apaches and do some stuff ,doesn’t have to be necessarily all helo server

[whole cove]

idk a couple of us are in hoggy training

[wide frost]

Alright

[whole cove]

I’m probably going to be on again later today, I guess I’ll let you all know

Maybe we can practice buddy lasing

[violet brook]

ooo

pretty

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/Gr0EfeXfQ4c?si=aQp2crv-ZduNZ9QO

[whole cove]

@rugged fog This dude on hoggy training is using a based livery.

[forest flint]

World if MD ANG didnt use A-10’s

Im sure that A-10 will be able to intercept a whole lot

Especially a passenger airliner heading towards a certain building in Maryland

[unborn flame]

what else would they use lamo

Warnfield is miniature

[unborn flame]

thats what the 113th is for

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/sf9zDwfeypk?si=xSJz4qTZ9FmX1BqY

[fallow mesa]

<@&1095016968643428422> would anyone be willing to help me with the F/A-18C later?

[wind sandal]

How long have you got?

Should be able to hop on a bit later, what do ya need a hand with?

[abstract gulch]

oh shit i actually needed help with the 18 too, i might throw my hat in the ring if thats cool

want to focus mostly on the radar tonight

[grizzled night]

Wish I could join… and if you haven’t seen this yet:
https://youtu.be/OFxqqIzdEuQ?si=t_OMKvAAwtxlbJ0i

[fallow mesa]

I need help mainly with weapons like Air-Air

[abstract gulch]

oh good point hold on ill go watch this real quick, A/A practice would also be good for me

[fallow mesa]

ok, Thank you

[wind sandal]

Yeah this is probably the best video for learning radar

[abstract gulch]

workin my way through it atm

[sturdy topaz]

I can do adversary things

as someone's probably used to

[abstract gulch]

hai minty!

[sturdy topaz]

[wooden hazel]

I can teach you everything from A2A to A2G, and some procedures

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/5RmTyrxK1CI?si=HcRfvmlCefy8sdHW
@marble gazelle
'Nam vibes

[trim monolith]

he's lying

[wooden hazel]

Bruh

[trim monolith]

Anything from A2G to A2A to some procedures and pro level dcs peak fun

[whole cove]

Two successful sorties on TTI (I think).
One bombing run, rtb, one mav run, also got a MiG-23 kill.

Love me the Jammer pod.

I wish the pod in VTOL worked like that, just complete noise, all the time

no ARAD

[nocturne kite]

Gentlemen. Next week, I shall be getting…the phantom.

[whole cove]

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[nocturne kite]

Because I don’t got bills to pay until next mooonth

[nocturne kite]

Any idea when the winter sale is gonna happen?

[whole cove]

Probably mid month of Dec

18th to 7th of Jan

[nocturne kite]

Awwwggha.

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/4az8Gimq-Hk?si=BeTvWyWXlyWMVtkq

We got the EX in DCS before GTA VI

[hushed imp]

im going to be on growling sidewinder for a bit if anyone wants to hop on

[placid shard]

hells nawh

i can barely connect to Dogfighters 1 on a good day i aint gettin into a server with 30 other people if i can barely get into one with 10

[hushed imp]

1v1 me on dogfighters then

[placid shard]

also hell nawh

i uninstalled dcs cuz my drive is tiny

it was a TB drive but when i "upgraded" to Windows 11 it just deleted 600 gbs of my storage

and when i told Windows customer support they just said "that issue doesn't happen, fuck you"

[sturdy topaz]

did you ever check your drive partitions?

[placid shard]

idk what those are or how to do that

[hushed imp]

hop in vc rq and I can help

or ping me when you can

[placid shard]

ok

ill do it in chat, ill png when avaliable

@hushed imp ready

where do you want to do it

[hushed imp]

just gen vc 1

[placid shard]

i cant vc

[hushed imp]

uh ok

I will dm

[placid shard]

alr

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/YUxZIQ3k_n0?si=nl1_--pOXruK8gM2

[hushed imp]

Supercarriwr is apparently getting directors next update

[steep apex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEWFqSfh3Pc

wags did a video about it

[placid shard]

GUYS THE STARFIGHTER IS COMING

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH

[nocturne kite]

RAAAAAAAGHH

[sturdy topaz]

likely a golf i believe

[unborn flame]

It is

[violet brook]

oh what

where announcement

[sturdy topaz]

It's been announced for a while

Aerges is making one

[violet brook]

oh cool

was there like

a new thing about it

[sturdy topaz]

some new images of the cockpit

[whole cove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1108849721566576671/1308325047626235934/makesweet-x4lg9m.gif

[whole cove]

Did you guys see ED is remastering the F-5E for an extra $10?

New external model and cockpit

Better flight model, new VFX

No AGM-65s though. “For historical accuracy” they said. No US F-5Es used 65s, only foreign ones, and they don’t have enough data to support even that

Fuck ED

Historical accuracy my ass

[hushed imp]

Yet the f-18 has a litening

Lol

[unborn flame]

Honret can mount LITENING the problem is that it didnt pass carrier quals and thus was never operationally fielded with it mounted on a cheek pylon

its very much fielded by the USMC on the centerline though

[whole cove]

“Pay us an extra $10 to get a remaster of one of our abandoned aircraft that last received an update in 2018”

ED is up there with Gaijin on how shitty their business model is

I’d pay $30 to see a full fidelity F-20

[sturdy topaz]

it is for the Spanish

which is a tidbit of information we didn't have until how recent?

[hushed imp]

And the software for it in dcs is the Spanish software

So point is, is that if we can have hornet things from other nations (cheek mounted listening) why cant we have agm-65 on f5e which certain exports varients have

[rugged fog]

it actually seems like a pretty good deal

its like a remaster of an old game

they have done the same thing to the ka-52 and a-10 a few times

[whole cove]

I think it should be free to people who purchased it before a certain date

[whole cove]

It’s not even advertised as an American F-5 is it?

What’s insane is that when not on sale, they still have the gall to advertise it at $59.99

[whole cove]

I take it like this;
imagine if Baha said: “Fine, I’ll finally remaster the F/A-26B” and then decides to charge everybody $10 to get the remastered version.

That’s my final thought about it

[hushed imp]

Except baha stuff is so high quality, I would still pay that 10 dollars even to just be able to give more money to baha

ED really needs to step up their game, and do what's good for people

[whole cove]

Exactly! I’d gladly give Baha a few dollars for a new version of an older plane

ED doesn’t deserve any more money from me or anyone else for improving upon something that’s been left alone for years

[rugged fog]

I feel like you got this all backwards

the f-5 was/is a feature complete module, you bought it with the textures you saw at purchase, they are now offering a upgrade for 1/6th the price for things that are purely visual

[whole cove]

https://www.facebook.com/share/z4PmL42vKLLme5Jx/?mibextid=WC7FNe

Here’s the post

[rugged fog]

looks worth $10 to me

I mean thats less then a box combo from canes

and that only lasts 3 minutes if your lucky

this is a massive visual upgrade for 1/6th the price of the original product

[whole cove]

The 7,000 man hours seems laughable though, doesn’t it?

[rugged fog]

oh

yeah %100

they pulled that number out they ass fs

[sturdy cove]

Im going to read this

[orchid dew]

Questionable financial decisions have been made

[sturdy cove]

Crazy

how much?

im going for throttle and pedals

[forest flint]

i always wanted to know what do you do on planes that lack screens?

i get how you can change those screens to be anything else so like a flankers radar and dials but on smth like a gazelle

[sturdy cove]

Maybe he only flies the the f16

[forest flint]

that would be incredibly cringe

[native geode]

But they look so sexy

[unborn flame]

The dusty ass dollar store keyboard opposite to the cumrag
Sick setup 👍

[green temple]

W financial choice

[abstract gulch]

missile dodge collection from an op last night

first one bit off on a flare and just went straight

[silent yarrow]

Right on your way to a VR passthrough simpit!

[sage valve]

how do i translate the camera in dcs

without head tracking

i know i can look around but i wanna shift the whole camera left or right

[hushed imp]

Shift c or something like that

[gusty pollen]

I think you have to hold left shift or somethin idk

[hushed imp]

I know that it's a modifier key and the c key, just not sure which modifier

[sage valve]

alt c lets me look around the cockpit but it doesnt move the camera

[abstract gulch]

do you mean translating the camera inside the cockpit?

that should be rshift+rcrtl+[numpad keys]

[sage valve]

thats it! thank you

[weary pawn]

This was a closest call I got as of recent
https://medal.tv/clips/j0uf2Zv7Bg2tIWMd8/vpaznG3Jd?invite=cr-MSxJbWksMTMyNjE5MDQzLA

[harsh notch]

This is some of yall 😐

[sage valve]

not a pound for air to ground

https://tenor.com/view/the-1st-american-citzen-gif-12672392163296582273

[forest flint]

unles your war thunder

then the 15C has the same weapons as the E

and

A

[whole cove]

Well almost all of them. No 39s on the A/C

[sage valve]

is syria worth getting

the dcs module not the actual country

i sorta either wanna get the tomcat, hornet, or syria

is the tomcat fun to fly

topped gun

[hushed imp]

syria is a beautiful map

[whole cove]

Syria is an awesome map

[rugged fog]

Syria would probably unlock the most gameplay wise

A ton of really good servers use it

And if your deciding between aircraft my pick would be hornet

Tomcat is annoying without a friend

[thorn pagoda]

Don’t do my boy jester like that:C

(He will eject on you for no reason)

[unborn flame]

[unborn flame]

https://youtu.be/iys-L-sYR4o?si=jzuquOzwrV_vQxFk

[sturdy cove]

Fucking awesome

[whole cove]

God, will this update ever come out?!?

[tranquil breach]

If you have a human Rio it’s really fun, I’ve found it’s mostly down to crew coordination

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/gVCpF9qFEo8?si=19oPsSr-Avp0ciZq
B r u h
The T-7 fucks

[forest flint]

Official or mod

[unborn flame]

Mod

[forest flint]

</3

[sturdy cove]

Someone to play?

[whole cove]

Private mod

[forest flint]

Bruh

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/ZDLooBAaVPI?si=aZEBgcatCZG5xCGJ

[violet brook]

🙏

i can't wait to get my new GPU

vr dcs gonna be awesome

[sage valve]

i think ima get syria

[steep apex]

Limiting your frame rate to 36 because you want to use ASW is... an interesting choice.

I still dont understand why VD improves both my performance and visuals at the same time, other than that its just easier to set up than oculus debug settings
either way, I strongly recommend it.

[naive osprey]

well that's cause it's not shit

[whole cove]

Honestly I forgot you were still on this server Nevan lmfao

[steep apex]

I get that the oculus software is dog, but its just weird to have it be objectively worse in every way

[steep apex]

been a rough couple months, havent been very active

[orchid dew]

Just take them down (late response I know)
I have them on mounts so I can just unscrew them and put them under my desk at the back.

Also I pretty much only fly the 16

[sturdy cove]

[sage valve]

playing with gbu 24s. wanted to see if runways being cratered actually does anything in dcs. turns out it does!

also turns out you actually need to lase the entire time a gbu24 is falling because apparently theyll glide pretty far and by the time your laser turns on at its normal time, whether its 12seconds or 8seconds iitll have long overflown the target

[whole cove]

New F-5E is out

[sturdy cove]

No wonder

For a game that needs 64 gb of raml 3000 + grapich and estupid new procesor that crater is just sad.

[hushed imp]

It just doesn't? I have a 6700k with 32gb of ram and a 3060 ti and I can run medium settings on Syria, with a 1080 you could run low settings

[sturdy cove]

It was an exageration.

[native geode]

I like how the gear just fucking vanishes

[whole cove]

Yessir. 24's have crazy fins that allow them to glide for a long ass time. Something VTOL desperately would benefit from

[sage valve]

was playing dcs with maxed out settings and dlss and spotting planes is so hard

I think I'm gonna lower settings and turn off dlss since it's so tough to maintain visual during bfm and stuff

[whole cove]

DLSS kills SA sometimes I find

[forest flint]

this is dcs having ASS rendering

which is why dot only markers is the real way to play

[sage valve]

dlss inherently makes everything shimmery and wobbly when and you need to be able to see a moving thing against a solid thing in order to spot anything 😩

[whole cove]

I found the image that may prove ED wrong that F-5Es never carried AGM-65s in USAF service.

The caption is wrong though, those aren't 9Ls

[gusty pollen]

I can see why ED didn't want to add mavericks. Cause that would include having to do work to actually integrate it to the jet. But not adding 2 extra aim-9s and an equippleable fuel probe is a travesty

[whole cove]

I bought a 35 dollar F-5, T-38, F-20 literature publication from this one website

I'm actively scrolling through it to prove them wrong

The issue is, "we modeled a specific variant (F-5E-3) which doesn't have the cool features people want out of an F-5E that we're too lazy to add because they don't exist in USAF service

Missiles being tested still means they were mounted to an airframe, as the image I posted proves

[rugged fog]

but does that dont really justify putting it into the game

[whole cove]

Enough people keep asking for them

[rugged fog]

yeah but are they are trying to be realistic I think

you could use the same argument to try and justify cfts on the dcs viper

I think they are really trying to represent something that you would actually see

[whole cove]

The F-5E external model in DCS is mostly based on the Swiss one, which includes the RWR antennae on the nose, as well as the antenna on the spine for the radio

The cockpit also has the RWR, which was an option, not included by the factory unless requested by the end user

[rugged fog]

is this not what the u.s uses

the f-5Es we have now are swiss

and are all aggressors

[whole cove]

From what it seems like, BelSimTek originally modeled a 1970s era USAF F-5E-3

ED's model is a mishmosh

But I think it can carry 9Js and 9JULIs

[rugged fog]

of what?

is it not just exactly whats being used as an aggressor now

[whole cove]

In its purest form, no. The Aggressors are upgraded to F-5N standard, which have upgraded cockpits, and can carry captive 9L/Ms and ACMI pods

The F-5Ns also have the APG-69 radar from the F-20 program

(Which can guide Sparrows, but whatever)

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-5n.htm

[rugged fog]

well the one in dcs is not an F-5N right?

its the F-5E

not every agressor has that same upgrade

[whole cove]

The cockpit is F-5E, the external model screams Swiss

yet they argue that the only reason we can't have Mavs is because the USAF never used them

[rugged fog]

what specifically about it is swiss

I guess specifically the rwr

[whole cove]

A few others have posted excessively about it on the forums, etc. The RWR antennae on the nosecone, the dorsal antenna for the radio, for the longest time the F-5E model in DCS had no Chaff/Flare dispenser, yet the E-3 did

just smallies

small stuff

Idk. the 1984/1990 (-34)pub doesn't have AGM-65s on the loadout charts

[violet brook]

i just want mavericks man

ion even care about 4x aim9s

just gimmie mavs on ma f5

[whole cove]

It ain’t gonna happen

Fly the hornet

Hornet’s the closest thing we have to an F-20 derivative

[violet brook]

nuh uh

next thing i get is prolly gonna be a cw module or m2k

wait m2k is cw

im dumb'

specifically the m2k

[whole cove]

M2K is fine if you really like euro jets. It can’t self designate for LGBs

[violet brook]

yeah i just

really like the m2k i think its hot

wish dassault would stop being so dense and let us have a newer varient

[gusty pollen]

I'm surprised ED didn't add the probe and 2 more aim-9s just from a monetary perspective

[violet brook]

7000 more man hours...

[whole cove]

They won’t

Lazy bastards*

[gusty pollen]

I feel like a good amount of people would be getting the upgrade if it was an actual upgrade

[violet brook]

i would love to get the f15e its probably my fav plane in the game but

well

you know

[gusty pollen]

I know my ass would've splurged

geuinely had a lot of fun on enigmas with that thing

[violet brook]

i would totally get it if it was like

an actual upgrade yeah

mavs and more 9s etc

[whole cove]

Aim-9s were never certified to fly on anything other than the wingtip pylons on American F-5s

That’s an export only thing

Source: the 1984/1990 -34

[gusty pollen]

so let us larp as export f-5s

too easy

[whole cove]

ED won’t

It’s a USAF f-5E-3

Unless you can beat some sense into Wags or Norm

[sturdy cove]

Is not to get to the bright true. IS TO TURN THEM DOWN.

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/LmFCyro6vIg?si=H4x_0v68SbmPZ-iz

@marble gazelle We gotta hop back in for some Tiger Gaming again sometime. That, and I gotta get you in the Phantom.

[trim monolith]

They so poor it’s gonna get even more expensive after a bit

[trim monolith]

Extremely

[trim monolith]

Oh I’ve played with the durandals in the F4 (haven’t tried in the strike eagle yet) and they work great… it makes 2d textures everywhere yah but you literally fall under the runway and go flying

[sturdy cove]

One of my favourite things to do in the hornet is take out laser guided bombs and fly in low and fast; they'll actually be able to fly far enough on their fins they essentially become a motor less cruise missile skimming over the water

Super effective when it comes to GPS guided bombs too, as long as there are no hills between you and the target

Also does anybody wanna fly the Phantom with me any time soon? I'm trying to hone my skills even further as a WSO

[whole cove]

@open dome DCS Winter Sale if you want to pick up The Jeff. 55.99 plus your what, 50% off first time purchase?

I think, maybe it.‘s half off non-sale price

[open dome]

they dont do first time purchase any more

[whole cove]

Are you kidding me?

DCS, more like Digital Cockbat simulator

Cucks

[violet brook]

????

digital cuck simulator is real

[hushed imp]

yall, they havent for months

[forest flint]

why did i just open a dcs launcher on steam

[rugged fog]

did you install dcs?

[forest flint]

i opened it on steam

okay i just opened it with no launcher instead

anyway

fuck yall know about dcs on controller

[rugged fog]

ask for a cheap hotas for christmas or something

[forest flint]

o i have a hotas

[forest flint]

after follwing tuuvas's guide to a tee multiple times the modifer buttons have not worked in the slightest

[steep apex]

its really rough, but doable

depends on the a/c

its honestly the prefered way to play front seat in the apache

but long term I'd lookin into a t16000 or something

[forest flint]

its been fun on fc3 planes

i already have a hotas stop giving me recommendations 😭

[violet brook]

ye controller is fun on fc3

[forest flint]

anyone know why my dcs clips are like

[forest flint]

WORST part of this song

ignore that

[keen scroll]

"song"

[forest flint]

LISTEN

MOST of the album is good

not that one

im incredibnly tempted to buy the fc f-5 so i can play it on controller

although maybe i should try the normal f-5 on controller

i cant find the through the inferno cold war server anymore </3

[forest flint]

should i get syria, kola, afghanistan, iraq, jf-17 (idk if i wanna learn that on controller tho), or fc f-5

or maybe the MB-339 or L-39

or c-101

the mb-339 doesnt have missile :(

[violet brook]

l39 looks fun tbh

its got the best arm options out of the uhh

trainer jets

[forest flint]

i think id like syria more than a new plane

but syria or iraq?

[violet brook]

no idea i need to get a new map

i might get one with some of the christmas money im getting

especially now that i could play dcs better

[forest flint]

thats my plan

[violet brook]

getting a 7900gre for christmas

[forest flint]

i think id rather be flying a fulcrum or eagle over syria than a jf-17 or c-101 on cacaucus

[violet brook]

i hate that its just desert maps

i want more green

[forest flint]

well i want one tan

[violet brook]

id probably get syria id imagine more servers use it

but idk i havent played dcs in a bit

[whole cove]

More servers use Syria than PG

The most either use Cauc, Marianas, or Y’know.

[silent yarrow]

The images I have seen of the Iraq map look awesome. It looks way more interesting than Syria. BUT, Syria is probably the second most used for servers, behind Caucasus. That could change in the future but not for a long time, I imagine, since Iraq is being released in pieces. The JF-17 is cool; my primary flyer. The Syria map would give you the most opportunities for multiplayer gameplay.

[sturdy topaz]

Syria has actual servers

I haven't seen much Iraq

[silent yarrow]

I had a really fun dance with a Hawk site on Contention Syria last night. I must have defeated at least 15 missiles in rapid succession! My trusty Thunder was serving me well. Teammate was able to splash it while it was focused on me.

[silent yarrow]

Iraq was pt1 was just released a few days ago.

[deft lodge]

so, i bought myself a winwing Orion 2

[silent yarrow]

Niiiiice! Which one? Hornet? Viper? Combo? I have the f-16ex stick and Hornet throttle.

[deft lodge]

Hornet stick and throttle, super excited to get it

[forest flint]

Man i want a modern fc blufor that cant do one role only

Mashallah ED please give me a FC F-16

I mean id really want a FC Harrier but….

[gusty pollen]

enigma made a video about this

[forest flint]

Ye

I agree with some of it

I think the fc2024 planes shouldve been a special setting if you already own them though

[gusty pollen]

it was a pretty interesting take

[forest flint]

Like i want the FC F-5 but i already own the F-5 i dont wanna buy the same plane again and then never use the ff f-5

[gusty pollen]

ED pretty much ran out of full fidelity fighters they could practically do

at least modern ones

[forest flint]

HB is gonna take forever on the typhoon ofc too

[gusty pollen]

but there's a bunch of cold war stuff they can definitely add as FC3 and people might not mind too much if they bring new gameplay

especially if it's cold war redfor

FC3 is so much fun

eagle and mig-29 especially are incredibly based and chill to use

[forest flint]

I really want modern redfor just as much ss everyone else but i understand why there isnt :(

I just want a Blufor equal to the fulcrum or flanker

My only options for a multirole FC plane are the F-5 or flanker/fulcrum

[gusty pollen]

like an F-16A?

[forest flint]

Yeah exactly

Literally exactly an F-16A

But seeing as thatd require a lot of new modelling and stuff im okay with a C

[gusty pollen]

I just wish ED would come out with a dynamic campaign by now

and that alleged world map they've been working on for god knows how long

I haven't played DCS in ages cause the gameplay loops in mp servers are lacking

[forest flint]

Yeah :(

And also mp servers are severely lacking

[gusty pollen]

mhm

Man I need to get back into BMS though

such a good game

ED kinda shot themselves in the foot with their business model being selling new aircraft

Cause they have to spend a bunch of their resources on making aircraft and half baked maps to sell to make money instead of focusing on the core game

but tbh idk what other business model they can really do

[forest flint]

I mean thats gaijins model too

And like…where do they go now

[gusty pollen]

iirc IRacing is subscription based and they have a pretty similar group of players as DCS (autists willing to pay for expensive hardware)

[forest flint]

Theyve both hit the same problem

Gaijin can add the hornet and super hornet and…what else

Su-37? Su-47?

[gusty pollen]

there's a bunch of aircraft that they can still add

enough to last them like 2 years tbh

[forest flint]

Not relevant ones

Sure they could add a Gnat F.1

They wouldnt though

[gusty pollen]

but yeah I wonder how different things would be if they changed to this model early on

probably less aircraft but maybe more gameplay improvements

oh well

vtol is better anyway

[forest flint]

sudden $380 for my birthday

i ought to buy syria now

also thoughts on the Mirage F1?

isnt there a sale in a few days?

[unborn flame]

its on sale rn

but only on standalone

[hushed imp]

Wait for steam sale if you plan on buying on steam, starts the 19th

[forest flint]

ILL DO THAT

cant help but notice i turned off caps

[forest flint]

the su-33's auto throttle does not work

[sturdy cove]

Holy shit the su 33 is massive

[forest flint]

international incident

[naive osprey]

flanker moment

[wind sandal]

about that fc thing, im actually surprised they havent added a bunch of cold war fc packs, i imagine there'd be a high demand for things like a mig 23, f104, they could pump out a bunch of cool shit in the time it takes to make like 2 ff modules

[forest flint]

ED when they realize if they released more planes thwt people want theyd make more money

Promising a plane for 5 years does not make any money

[violet brook]

we could easily get like 4 good solid releases a year if multiple devs went and made fc type modules

which i would love

[sturdy cove]

Do you know the interest that intersect whit your plan?

[violet brook]

wha

?

[sturdy topaz]

I'm going to assume he meant something like "do you know how many people would want that"

[violet brook]

oh yeah not everyone

just saying it would be cool not that it's an actual plan

[sturdy cove]

It would be cool for someone to give me 8 million dollars, pretty hard tho.

[violet brook]

????

[hushed imp]

Cringe take. He is just voicing his opinion of something he wants.

There's not reason to be an asshole here, especially when his opinion is constructive

[forest flint]

how do i uhh...see my bags fuel in the eagle

"i could bring an a-10 over to you guys" 8000ft at m1.2(

also completely forgot i can tank in the eagle

i ought to try it

[hushed imp]

good luck, boom tanking is hella hard

[forest flint]

man i cant even get it in the 33

anything specific for the eagle?

and now its dawn

7am

raining

do i get nods

no </3

oh boy

awesome visibility

[forest flint]

ripped my wings pulling for a fulcrum

</3

used to flankers and fulcrums letting you do whatever

[harsh notch]

"If it has a wanker, its a flanker"

[sturdy cove]

You are right, i expresed myself incorrectly. I apologize.

[sturdy topaz]

I want to say it's Shift + D

but I may have set that myself

[forest flint]

wow the f-15 autopilot is entirely non fucntijnal

awesome ed

[whole cove]

I sincerely wish that since we’re getting a FF MiG-29, a FF F-15C would go perfectly

[forest flint]

oh they just wont even attempt to put the boom in now

yeah this is definitely broken lmao

also opening the refueling door jettisons tanks and miossiles on that pylonm

god i hate this aircraft so so much

[rugged fog]

it sounds like you have something bound wrong

[forest flint]

possibkly

but also dcs is

[whole cove]

Tweakin

[rugged fog]

singleplayer or multiplayer

[forest flint]

mp lmao

[rugged fog]

that just looks like a network issue

[forest flint]

yeah i thought i hit the burner

[rugged fog]

also double check you are actually giving the ready pre contact every time they give you return pre contact

[forest flint]

yeah i was

[rugged fog]

otherwise the boom wont move

[forest flint]

like it was attempting to put it in but it was just wildly missing

[rugged fog]

try and get a clip

[forest flint]

nah i aint doin that shit again

[rugged fog]

where was the boom going relative to the fuel door?

[forest flint]

into the other wing

and then onto the nose

boom operator thought i was an f/a-26

[rugged fog]

either desync or skill issue

[sturdy cove]

Bluethot refuelingç

[forest flint]

2 tanks is enough to keep me up for any sortie i think

So im not worried about this

Still wish flankers had tanks </3

[sturdy topaz]

later ones do

unfortunately we don't have any

[sturdy cove]

Why dont the early ones?

Was it because of their doctrine or something like that?

[sturdy topaz]

I believe their irl range was plenty for Russia’s purposes

at the time

since a Su-27 has similar amounts of fuel to an F-15 with 2 bags

I believe the Su-33 outdoes a Tomcat with bags

[forest flint]

Why is the F-15C horribly outdated compared to the F-16C and F/A-18C and even the Su-27

Is it just the block variant in game?

Please tell me the currentky in service F-15C is more modern than the dcs one

[rugged fog]

every dcs module is out of date

the f-15C kinda always just had that one mfd until they eventually got a second big one in an update

but even irl the f-15C is a pretty old platform that really isnt worth updating beyond the bare minimum thats what the 15E and EX are for

[rugged fog]

this is about as new as it gets

[forest flint]

Damn whst the FUCK

[sturdy topaz]

MSIP II?

[rugged fog]

I dont specifically know names of upgrade programs but from what I can find on google msip II was a good bit earlier then this

[sturdy topaz]

damn

[rugged fog]

https://www.twz.com/21081/the-usaf-has-quietly-added-large-multi-function-cockpit-displays-to-its-f-15c-fleet

[sturdy topaz]

guess there’s more upgrades to the 15C than I’m aware of

[forest flint]

Feels weird to be flying an F-15C and thinking “man i wish i had all the modern stuff of a flanker”

[weary pawn]

Honestly in my opinion the 15s are some of the hardest to refuel in DCS AF plane wise

[sturdy topaz]

oh interesting

[sturdy topaz]

what about our 27 is modern?

[rugged fog]

the f-15C even without the extra display did have datalink its just not modeled in dcs

and I guess you could say hmcs

[forest flint]

Compared to the 15C

Better missiles

[rugged fog]

but like the second display that seems to be a pretty new thing irl as well

[sturdy topaz]

?

[rugged fog]

thats just like wrong lol

[sturdy topaz]

yeah that’s kinda crazy

[weary pawn]

I can do F-16 AAR without worry, but I can't do it for the life of me in the 15C or E, the throttle control has to be on point and you have to constantly adjust trim to stay in the box

[sturdy topaz]

still better than the 16

[rugged fog]

r-73 does a fair bit better then the 9m but its not crazy

[forest flint]

73’s vs 9M

[rugged fog]

and the amraam just wins bvr

[sturdy topaz]

please ED fix the FLCS

[rugged fog]

like r-27 vs 120C is crazy

[weary pawn]

I'd heavily disagree, the 16 is really easy to AAR

[forest flint]

Not like thr 9m is bad at all lol

[sturdy topaz]

ig that’s me hurting coming from BMS

[weary pawn]

Just set your trim up once and you'll be perfect no matter the throttle amount

[sturdy topaz]

having the FLCS basically be mushy the entire way through

[weary pawn]

Its even easier in BMS lmfao, the boom op actually helps you unlike DCS

[rugged fog]

shouldnt even be trimming the viper without asymmetric loads

it auto trims pitch for you

[sturdy topaz]

ig that’s me hurting coming from BMS

[weary pawn]

can't read apologises

[sturdy topaz]

it’s chill

[weary pawn]

The auto trim pitch is shitty at times, so I usually trim it out where I get a minute dive in so I just need a little stick aft to maintain level flight, and if I need distance I just let go of the stick

[sturdy topaz]

regardless boom tanking’s harder than drogue for DCS

[rugged fog]

the trim is really good, but cant deny what works for you

[gusty pollen]

so the viper's auto trim is weird. It isn't trying to trim for you to have 0 pitch rate, it's trying to trim you into being at 1G. In straight and level flight it's and you don't really notice it. But if you're at an extreme pitch like +-60ish degrees it becomes really noticble

if you put the jet at +60 degrees of pitch it continues to pitch up after you let go of the stick cause it's chasing that 1G

same if you fly upside down

[forest flint]

R-77?

[sturdy topaz]

terrible range

[weary pawn]

Its super draggy and has bad leading

[sturdy topaz]

you force it to turn like 10 degrees and it’s out of speed

[rugged fog]

I guess if you cant the j-11 and its still super shit

[sturdy topaz]

the 27 doesn’t even have them, only the J-11

[forest flint]

yeah i was just more wondering in general

[weary pawn]

Tbf anything radar is useless when you're abusing notching

[sturdy topaz]

there’s a reason GS’s server gives the J-11 a lua loadout of PL-12s

besides being able to carry them irl

[forest flint]

hows the PL-12 compare

[sturdy topaz]

120C comparable

[forest flint]

in eccm too?

[sturdy topaz]

I believe they accelerate faster

I’ll go find a comparison video

[weary pawn]

I thought it was slightly longer range than the 120C?

[sturdy topaz]

I didn’t remember if it was shorter or longer

hence comparable

[forest flint]

flanker is fun to multi role with

in the few places i can use bombs and rockets and not get sniped instantly byu a strela that cant be seen by MAWS

[rugged fog]

maws?

I dont think the flanker in dcs has maws

[sturdy topaz]

it doesn’t

[weary pawn]

I just know the Jeff using PL-12s is able to get good shots at 30nm compared to 20~ for 120s

[sturdy topaz]

later J-11s do, but we don’t have them

god I can’t find the video since there’s so much WT Fox 3 content

https://youtu.be/W5b2Le6tMao?si=xu0ltPwomC8e3BVy

found it

may not have the exact numbers, but he has a lot of videos over the topic

[forest flint]

it does?

all t5he russian aircraft do?

[rugged fog]

they have rwr

[forest flint]

is the rapid beeping tone switch and flashing light when there is a missile approaching not a MAWS??

[sturdy topaz]

RWR != MWS

[weary pawn]

Yeah thats your RWR

[rugged fog]

oh yeah looks like pl-12 is slightly better

[forest flint]

which is warning of an approaching missile

[rugged fog]

but fs not enough to make the jeff better then an eagle or viper in bvr

[sturdy topaz]

MWS typically refers to IR sensor MWS

not

RWR informed missile warnings

[forest flint]

interestinmg

hows it know when an ir is fired

[sturdy topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[rugged fog]

radar or ir

[sturdy topaz]

there’s a reason most DCS players hate MANPADS

[weary pawn]

If its a SA-13 it'll light up your plane for range info

[forest flint]

dont tell me the ai is fuckin using liem R-27ER's 1nm away

[sturdy topaz]

^

[weary pawn]

They do do that

[forest flint]

what the FUCK

i say as i got a 2nm amraam kill earlier today

[rugged fog]

the amraam fucks at close range

[sturdy topaz]

DCS is an old game and it def shows

cough MiG-21 radar originally being a laser

[sturdy topaz]

PL-12 at close range is great

[rugged fog]

amraam lowkey feels equivalent to the 9m in how hard it pulls

[sturdy topaz]

honestly they’re all good (ignoring a Phoenix)

[rugged fog]

I think 120B isnt as great

[sturdy topaz]

aren’t they both 30G missiles?

[forest flint]

oh how id love the jeff but it seems like it has a lot of unneccesary random bullshit to do the simplest things in it

[rugged fog]

I dont know the numbers I just play the game 😭

[sturdy topaz]

real

my b

[rugged fog]

not as easy to see the numbers as it is in war thunder

[forest flint]

are the sparrows in the hornet any different in setting up than an amraam

[rugged fog]

one of the great things about warthunder is how accessible a lot of basic stats are

[weary pawn]

its a iphone and I larp as don pollo in that hoe 🗣️

[sturdy topaz]

you have more to consider when launching one

else no

[forest flint]

i meant in the actual buttons to like use it

idk i dont fly the hornet im just making my friend use sparrows

[sturdy topaz]

I stand by my statement

[rugged fog]

why 💀

let him be an amraam truck

[forest flint]

in case we are on a server with no amraams

[rugged fog]

but yeah just shoot them like an amraam but make sure you have an stt the whole time

[forest flint]

speaking of which: through the inferno cold war is gone

[weary pawn]

Yeah got swapped out for Iraq or Kola map right?

[sturdy topaz]

FLOOD also exists

[forest flint]

DAMN WHAT

[sturdy topaz]

pray a friendly doesn’t have a bigger return

[forest flint]

does the eagle ex get used as a2a ever or does it only ever carry a2a defensively

this isnt a dcs question

[rugged fog]

from my understanding its meant to be sorta a missile truck for 5th gens

35 only carries 2 internal amraams with a strike load

[violet brook]

aim9m should pull about 40ish

[forest flint]

me watching the fulcrum drop 3 flares on full burner and the 9M drop it

[violet brook]

blah blah blah hearblur when ja37

[violet brook]

dcs countermeasure simulation is laughably bad

if im not wrong it's literally just RNG

[forest flint]

yeah thats what i was gonna say

how does irccm work in game then

[sturdy topaz]

isn’t that considering dual plane

[forest flint]

because it definitely is a thing

[violet brook]

like I think every flare just has an rng chance to decoy the missile

[sturdy topaz]

it doesn’t

roll dice

[rugged fog]

idk about bms but wt seems to be the only place to get proper irccm

[forest flint]

a 9E or R-60 definitely lose lock easier than a 9X or R-73 tho

[forest flint]

nuclear option has a good way of faking it at least

[sturdy topaz]

yeah

it’s just a higher chance is all

[rugged fog]

how do they do that?

[sturdy topaz]

it’s still rng

[weary pawn]

Yeah its a dice roll every countermeasure release

[forest flint]

lemme pull up the explanation one sec

[violet brook]

I think every missile just has a different chance to be fooled

[forest flint]

i wonder (in dcs) if its like dnd armor class??

[violet brook]

it's like

aim9e has a 1/3 roll and if the number rolls on 2 it gets decoyed

[forest flint]

a 9x has a armor class of 15, and one flare rolls a d20 to attack it, while a 9e has a AC of like 3

[violet brook]

but aim9x has a 1/20 roll and if it rolls onto whatever it gets flared

[weary pawn]

Yeah I just found a forum with the devs talking about it

(In-reference to IRCCM)
"Not simulated, but taken into account. Modern missiles have significantly greater resistance to countermeasures than older ones."

[forest flint]

okay but how

😭

[rugged fog]

this is just probablity with extra steps

[rugged fog]

for which game

[forest flint]

yes i think so

[weary pawn]

DCS

[forest flint]

nope!

close though

[weary pawn]

"We are currently thinking about a new countermeasures system. It will be realistic on physical principles, without dice. When it becomes tangible, we will write about it." August 12 - Chizh

Forum post is here for you guys if you're interested.

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/353582-problem-regarding-the-way-that-ir-missiles-react-to-counstermeasures-irccm-inconsistency/

[forest flint]

syria tommorow mashallah

[weary pawn]

I got NTTR and its amazing to fly in

[forest flint]

SMASH NEXT QUESTION

[violet brook]

nttr?

[violet brook]

it really is funny

war thunder has unironically good seeker simulation afaik

[weary pawn]

Nevada Test and Training Range

[violet brook]

ohh

[harsh notch]

First time I heard NTTR in a convo, I did a double take 🤣 Always catches people off guard.

[forest flint]

jtac laser through frogfoot camera lmao

[forest flint]

No sale </3

Thwre was a post on december 13th the sale has atarted on syeam

??

The 13th to the 6th

Noticably not on sale

[violet brook]

steam sales don't start until 1pm est

[forest flint]

Great 1pm est 6 days ago

[weary pawn]

light from god

[hushed imp]

https://steamdb.info/sales/history/

This site has all of the upcoming steam sales with countdowns

It starts at 1pm est

[violet brook]

I don't have time awareness

i still haven't realized it's 2024 yet

don't tell me

[hushed imp]

Fr it feels like march to me

[silent yarrow]

What do you mean? The JF-17, I think, is far more simplified compared to the F-16 or F/A-18.

[rugged fog]

nah jf-17 is weirdly shit

random shenanigans like having to feed the gun and horrible hotas

[forest flint]

yeah stuff like that

[unborn flame]

having to load the tape before flight

[silent yarrow]

that's a real thing. Eagle Dynamics just hasn't implemented it yet into its modules.

[silent yarrow]

GSH-23 Cannon is the same as used on the MiG 21. Hence, why it must be fed. What's wrong with the HOTAS? It's largely based on the F-16 HOTAS, albeit without short press/long press functions.

[rugged fog]

regardless of why it must be fed it still does lol. and yeah the hotas is similar to the viper but generally it doesnt have the same tms functions that make the viper really easy to use

the jf-17 in terms of ui is on the sameish level as the hornet in terms of obtuseness

but the viper is still #1 for ux

and otherwise the jf-17s lack of maneuverability and speed, downward pointed gun and light a2a and a2g load make it a pretty shit plane compared to the alternatives

that being said it is a really fun plan to learn systems wise and is a unique experience in dcs just not recommended if you want to be as effective as almost any other 4th gen in the game

[silent yarrow]

The JF-17 is a bit quirky and certainly has its limitations and 1:1 does get eaten up by the 16 and 18. But it does have some amazing weaponry and is a breeze to fly. I certainly prefer the 17's flight model to that of the 16 as well as the large MFCD's, MAWS, TSD Data Link, and minimal switches and knobs in the cockpit.

[native geode]

Its still pretty much just dice roles, but it has some biasing for aspect and flare density

[rugged fog]

sounds like slightly more then vtol

probably very similar to dcs

[native geode]

huh

[rugged fog]

vtol is like just colder flares and density bias

sounds similar

but maybe slightly more

[native geode]

Flares aren't simulated in NO at all, nor are IR sensors, just every time you flare it increases a counter and if that counter (plus some rng) gets above a threshold the "lock" is broken

[native geode]

Its much worse than VTOL, and seems similar to dcs

[native geode]

The amount the counter increases is more in the front/back than the sides, that's the only thing that's arguably better than vtol but the lack of simulating the ir seeker at all means its a lot more one dimensional

[rugged fog]

well if it includes bias towards aspect and density its probably very very similar in terms of how it feels

sure vtol actually sims where the seeker is looking but it probably feels largely the same to the player

dcs flares feel very similar to vtol as it is

[native geode]

Iv never actually played NO, but I doubt it, at least how its implemented it reads like you want to just blindsly spam them without much more thought

[native geode]

no

[rugged fog]

they 100% do

in both vtol and dcs the process is to drop throttle and flare

there isnt much more to it

[native geode]

[rugged fog]

does nuclear option have any bias for engine heat?

[native geode]

This why your elo be down

[rugged fog]

huh

[native geode]

I don't remember

[rugged fog]

we were like 200 elo apart last season

thats like a good kill and a half

[native geode]

bcs I was carrying you

[rugged fog]

the number of times I merged with someone and you told me to not kill them so you could get a 9e kill bruh

[native geode]

lie

[rugged fog]

but yeah there isnt much more to flaring in vtol except managing heat at the right time

then its just flaring in bunches to kinda not lead the missile back to you

[native geode]

Wrong, but I feel like you're being deliberatly obtuse so I won't bother to argue it

[rugged fog]

but that hardly seems to matter unless you are really warm

[rugged fog]

what else is there to it lol?

I am genuinely unaware flaring in vtol is shit easy

I really want to know what more you think there is to flaring in vtol besides throttle management and flare patterns

because from my experience dcs is very very similar from the players perspective missiles are just far more resistant to flares but the same concept of heat management and such matters

and I believe aspect also has a large effect as well making it almost more to think about for older missiles

[wind sandal]

can you guys kiss already or what

[native geode]

[gusty pollen]

real

[rugged fog]

warthunder is the only game that actually feels like there is more to it then dropping throttle and some flare pattern stuff

you have to actually know what the irccm methods are and beat them

[sturdy topaz]

(flare more unless it's a 9M, then flare when you're high/low aspect)

ez

[rugged fog]

I mean r-73 your trying to get lucky with a flare within the narrowed fov and then the 9m your trying to get out of the fov while the seeker is off right?

[sturdy topaz]

yeah pretty much

[rugged fog]

9m is like a flare and then a pull

I tend to give up with r-73s

[gusty pollen]

what about his trying to get lucky with a flare within the narrowed fov and then the 9m your trying to get out of the fov while the seeker is off right?

[sturdy topaz]

though a lot of FOV IRCCM missiles just kinda

[sturdy topaz]

die

if you flare more than twice front aspect

R-73s, Magic IIs, PL-5E IIs, etc

[rugged fog]

makes sense actually

would be cool to get some like propelled flares and such to counter some irccm stuff more

I think the hornet specifically carries them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02f7b9_Tlk8&t=218s

[sturdy topaz]

we're in the era where spectral flares also become more common

those would be cool to see

[gusty pollen]

timestamped

[rugged fog]

wonder how they would be simmed

cause its kinda just a flare thats "better"

[sturdy topaz]

Stepanovich'll figure something out

[forest flint]

Also in NO

I forgot to send the explanation lmao

But pretty much as chase said, the missile has a like a “fooled” health and each flare does damage to it, and lowering your throttle and being side on makes it deal more damage

Although you have to actually wait for the engines to spool down

[unborn flame]

Nah but this shit different

It's more like the Viggen

It's just weird

[forest flint]

had to use cobra button recover lol

[sturdy cove]

When?

There is a video from Tabs_original when he really saves himself from crashin into the ocean only for using the cobra button.

[forest flint]

Yeah me

[sturdy topaz]

you're playing on a controller right

[forest flint]

Yes

[sturdy topaz]

ok thank god

[forest flint]

I fell from 30,000ft btw

[sturdy topaz]

I saw the stick jerking itself around and thought your arm was built like a charger from l4d2 for a second

[forest flint]

There was a solid 2 minutes of falling upside down with no engines

[sturdy topaz]

kinda figured

[forest flint]

That was only the last 30 seconds of the fall