DCS

[stone plover]

it doesn't mean anything

[hushed imp]

no, many people are not aware of the controversy still

[stone plover]

but it could be potentially misinterpreted

[hushed imp]

How?

[stone plover]

that they're offering a discount on a module that's been EOL'ed

and many ARE learning about it

it was likely done way before this shit transpired

but that's a quick-ish edit out

[hushed imp]

none of these are even talking about the fact that the f15 was included in the video

those are just talking about not buying anything till the razbam issue gets resolved

also, any showcase of the f15c in past sale videos could have also been misleading in the same way, becuase the 15E never went on sale disregard, the 15E went on sale for the first time this year

[stone plover]

incorrect, but I've seen a few comments to the same

people are brigading cuz folks do love their pitchforks

[hushed imp]

so ED is not allowed to advertise their own module because of 1% of people

[stone plover]

I'm just chiding them for an easily avoidable marketing oopsie

[hushed imp]

its like 5 people, that realisticaly doesnt matter to ed

[stone plover]

welcome to overrepresentation on the internet...the loudest seem to get the lion's share of the attention/mindshare

regardless of the actual sample size

[gusty pollen]

lmao all the comments are talking about the razbam situation

[stone plover]

yep

[gusty pollen]

I'll be honest at this point there's a good chance a non insignificant amount of the dcs community is aware of the razbam situation

[subtle ivy]

im curious

this is a razbam dev right?

[gusty pollen]

Nah

SME

[subtle ivy]

which one is that

[gusty pollen]

he was a former strike eagle wso that gave some guidance on the F-15E

[stone plover]

https://tenor.com/view/pitchfork-joel-mchale-let's-go-gif-4823800437700507777

[gusty pollen]

subject matter expert

[subtle ivy]

ah

Someone in darksides was saying that saying like that made it sound like a logic bomb

[stone plover]

that's deliciously insidious

[subtle ivy]

but it's not confirmed

[hushed imp]

that comment wasnt to say that nobody knows about the controversy, its the 1% that would be mad they showcase the 15c in the sale video

[gusty pollen]

ah I thought that was the E at first

the lighting makes it look a lot darker

[stone plover]

no idea how accurate this is...

hopefully this can be resolved to both parties satisfaction in the near future

[gusty pollen]

It's impossible to say tbh but from what I've seen returnyoutubedisklike is really good at sussing out unpopular videos lmao

[whole cove]

I’m tired of hearing about the Razbam bitching and moaning. Just shutter the damn company already

[rugged fog]

which one? Ed or razbam?

I dont get why either would shut down

[whole cove]

I would hope not ED… if both companies were smart, they’d solve their issues behind closed doors and that would be the end of it.

It went public, and now people won’t shut up about it. I know if it were HeatBlur or any other company, more people would be vocal about it, but still.

[rugged fog]

well they are still solving it privately its just been acknowledged publicly. I think they will either solve the problem privately with a compromise or settle legally

[whole cove]

On a separate note, I should hop back in the Phantom again soon

[green temple]

can't believe you haven't been no-lifing the phantom in dcs

[whole cove]

Life, sadly

[green temple]

joever

[steep apex]

Are they though?

Whether or not the E goes on sale is up to Razbam, not ED

showing off the C has nothing to do with that

[steep apex]

I dont think this is accurate, however.
Multiple of the big youtubers have made videos on the situation by now, and it's been consistently talked about in high-voted posts on reddit- most people who are going to find out probably have by now.

the only people I'd expect to have no idea are mostly people who probably wouldn't see this trailer either

[stone plover]

my earlier response was that that could be misinterpreted that that's what they were doing...not that they were or it had been

people learn a small amount of what transpired and run with it on their own...they see a trailer with 50% off and then next a F-15

that's all my statement was...that uninformed folks could leap to a conclusion and if I were in ED, I wouldn't have led the trailer that had the first image of aircraft be the plane in the middle of a controversy (deserved as not)

[open dome]

A lot of overthinking going on on in ere

[wanton loom]

just do what john topgun says

dont think just do

[harsh notch]

Don't sink, just float

[stone plover]

https://tenor.com/view/float-it-clown-gif-9715033

[harsh notch]

What its like to chew 5 gum

[trim monolith]

Lmaooo

[unborn flame]

me asf

[harsh notch]

Next question, is it a mk83 or a mk84

Can't quite tell if it's 10ft or 10.5 ft, dude might be short so there's no good reference 🤔

[hushed imp]

hes holding a rifle

[thorn pagoda]

Seeing as the dude looks like he’s holding a Ak of some sort, he’s gonna be around 6 feet. Gun looks to be around half his height. I’m gonna say 10 feet

MK 83 is the 10 footer right

[hushed imp]

hes 5'9 according to my stupid way of figuring it out

the ak is 95 cm

nvm im stupid

[harsh notch]

Ye

[trim monolith]

What did I start

[thorn pagoda]

So how close was my guess lol

[trim monolith]

Wait I was uneducated on dumb bombs, how is the mk 84 1000 pounds heavier with just 6 inches???

[thorn pagoda]

Yes

[harsh notch]

It also has a larger diameter iirc. An inch or two on on something "small" in diameter can easily be twice the volume.

[open blade]

It's fat

[hushed imp]

I fucked up the mesurement, will redo today

[thorn pagoda]

Let me know about how close I am lmao

[unborn rock]

Downloading DCS again...it'll stick this time

What map do yall typically fly on?

[unborn rock]

"Just".

JUST?! I'll have you know, 6 inches it plenty!

[steep apex]

IDK if we typically fly?

I just occasionally see 1 or 2 people playing in vc seemingly unannounced

[unborn flame]

caucasus and pg are typically the most popular

[whole cove]

Occasional Marianas maybe

[steep apex]

I need to try out sinai
and I'm pretty hype for Kola

[unborn rock]

I probably have enough space for PG

[steep apex]

but tbh I've had no drive to fly DCS lately

Every time I consider it I just get on vtol instead

[whole cove]

Sinai is a good map.

[wind sandal]

kiowa time

[gusty pollen]

ayo you refund the streagle?

[wind sandal]

yeee

[gusty pollen]

it's so over 😔

[wind sandal]

i never really flew it regardless, and i been following the kiowa for ages

[open blade]

Erm

[sturdy topaz]

based

[open blade]

What the sigma

Why didn't you catch a 3

[keen scroll]

😔 Air force bad

[open blade]

It's okay, it's still a 3 if you flip the image 🙏

[keen scroll]

New setup lets me fly diccus and bimmus at once 🗣️ 🔥

[gusty pollen]

incredibly based throttle on the right

wait no that's the EX

no locking speed brake for you

[keen scroll]

Digital latching ftw

[open blade]

RAAAAAAAAH

[open blade]

Oh my

Might bust

[unborn rock]

Jelly. I want a split throttle so bad. Virpil my beloved, come to me

[trim monolith]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO

[trim monolith]

hows your gear going

[keen scroll]

0 damage

[trim monolith]

surprising

[stone plover]

Excited for you, but be prepared to spend some time with the tools to set it up

[unborn rock]

I cry. Can't afford rn (probably never will) but maybe someday

I love that it has different modes lol

[stone plover]

It's a bit of a process with programming, but it essentially allows for 5x the buttons and switches

[sturdy topaz]

BMS mentioned????

based

[stone plover]

https://discord.com/channels/836755485935271966/1220174949130567690

[unborn rock]

You know, one of my buddies bought me Bimmus like 7 years ago and I have never touched it

[sturdy topaz]

oh good to know

much obliged

[stone plover]

o7

[stone plover]

there is always someday...never too late

[sharp glade]

People pointed me to BMS when I said it was a shame there wasn't a full fidelity F-15C and the fact it also has dynamic campaign sold me

[unborn rock]

Agreed

[unborn rock]

None of my controls saved...

Honestly a huge reason for me not playing

[gusty pollen]

Apparently the strike eagle radar date thing was intentional af

Apparently RCG sent a fix over to ED but they haven't implemented it and made no indication of implementing it

[rugged fog]

I dont think they will lol

use it as leverage

[gusty pollen]

screenshot cause text is too long for one message

It'll be wild if ED makes the mirage free for free maitenence lmao

[sage valve]

how is the f15 radar broken

[keen scroll]

just not doin anyting

[sage valve]

like you open the page and it doesn't beep boop?

[keen scroll]

Afaik the page opens and it shows the symbology, it just doesnt pick anything up

[sage valve]

ooops

[wind sandal]

it can be fixed, but like you gotta change the date on your pc to do it or smth

system time

[sage valve]

can chases dad fix it

@native geode

[wind sandal]

i could probably fix it

[keen scroll]

yeah. open DCS and then set date before June 14th

[sage valve]

silly

[keen scroll]

Anyway, If i get a free mirrage 2000 I'd be happy lmfao

[wind sandal]

you refund the streagle krieger?

[keen scroll]

No, I'll stick with it until its officially joever

Or until it gets resolved

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/UBTj5LCTghQ?si=Z1AoaxRTWxoieuO0

[unborn rock]

Does anyone have or know of a quick rundown on IR Mavs?

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/3ZcNFzcuVZs?si=_me93zOUJy3VgfHC
Talon Mod FREE

[gusty pollen]

A model L

C model is where it's at

but still pretty baller

[whole cove]

If only it could be part of the base game... 😔

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/8rje6OetBTE?si=Jr6h54JbNnF69djX

[steep apex]

I feel like there's a few problems here
Key among them, there's no reason that I'm aware of that notching only works specifically off the nose, the defending aircraft just has to be at a different angle to stay at 90 degrees relative to the radar sweeping past them, which from their perspective will always been the same relative position (3/9 o'clock)

There's no indication that he even considered, let alone tested this in the video

[whole cove]

That would be to stay in the notch, this is just what happens when an aircraft flies right to left or left to right across the nose without turning, and without the tracking aircraft manuevering either. This is just a "hey, ever wonder what happens in the notch on both sides?"

[steep apex]

He specifically says you have a 20 degree window off the nose to notch

Which is just plain false.

[whole cove]

Depends on the radar

[steep apex]

I'm not even talking about differences between radars.
Like I said I should be able to notch regardless of where their nose is pointing as along as I fly 90 degrees relative to where the dish is pointing.

They could have the radar fully deflected to one side and you can still notch just fine

[whole cove]

That would be the act of notching, this video simply shows what happens when it does occur.

It aint allat

[steep apex]

Idk maybe I'm just misunderstanding but to me he very strongly indicates you can only notch off the nose

[whole cove]

The way VTOL does it just makes me think you have to be 90 degrees from any incoming source of illumination. Maybe Bitzs or someone more knowledgable can share some deets

[steep apex]

It's also like that in DCS, as I've understood.

Which is specifically why I call this out

[whole cove]

You can always comment on the video and ask, I'm sure he'll entertain the conversation.

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/GYlzu56ZnWI?si=pyZ2rZPo5xvIyNTm
@marble gazelle Imagine if VTOL looked like this?

[trim monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/f16-gif-25807370

[whole cove]

Man, without SEAD / DEAD being done first, Phantom isn't very good on some of those 4YA servers...

Got shwacked by an SA-13 and SA-11

[green temple]

Is it joever

[whole cove]

For tonight.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3339132/

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3338322/

[whole cove]

Now we just need Mobius 1's 118

[harsh notch]

Me everytime I start taxing my viper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A6YUUs_f_E

[whole cove]

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/2024-06-14/
Anyone else think we're being oversaturated with new releases this Spring / Summer?

I'd like to try out the new simplified aircraft, but FF is the GOAT

[hushed imp]

I don't think these new low fidelity aircraft will be much, I don't know what hb plans to do, but enigma said that he had no plans to add them to ecw

[gusty pollen]

yeah I hope heatblur changes that stance

especially since dynamic slots will be a thing when the FC3 stuff drops so it won't take up space

but it'll be a bummer if all those cold war aircraft won't be playable in the main cold war server

[forest flint]

it doesnt make any sense for them to not be available

feels like enigma just kinda likes to make poorer people feel bad

[whole cove]

It's a good thing he isn't directly involved with every server decision now

[gusty pollen]

his stance is that he wants more cold war FC3 aircraft to be pumped out cause FF takes too long to dev, which is semi-understandable. But he didn't like that the new FC3 aircraft are just rehashes and also they would legitimately have taken up a lot of new slots/spawns on airfields

but since dynamic slots are gonna be a thing I personally don't see any reason why they shouldn't be in the sever

[hushed imp]

Let's fucking goo, gray flag caucases is coming

[keen scroll]

bingchilling

gonna be modern or 80s?

[hushed imp]

Starting with modern then then doing 80s aswell

[keen scroll]

why always 80s 😢

[trim monolith]

yessuh

[whole cove]

Thanks for Vipin’ with me Krieger and Ferret.

I might be on in a couple hours again to fly again

[steep apex]

Im not sure it's that but I always thought Enigma liked the smell of his own farts too much yeah

[wind nexus]

The Virpil cadet gimmick is fucking sweet

[sturdy topaz]

Late but afaik the 20 degree thing is such as a DCSism (as is notching as a whole but whatever)

[gusty pollen]

I think notching used to be a bigger problem for older radars but at least by the time they got to the strike eagle it became a vritually solved problem

[sturdy topaz]

though there's a possibility notching isn't possible out there due to closure being skewed between the illuminating aircraft and illuminated aircraft

[sturdy topaz]

with things like the AWG-9/10, hell even up to APG-63 yes

but with the radars on most aircraft in game? no

APG-763v(1), APG-70, APG-68v(5), etc shouldn't have notching as a big problem

not to mention systems like the AWG-9 and -10 are capable of turning off their dilter

[steep apex]

Notching is a strictly dopler based radar related phenomenon

the way notching works is that you trick the radar into filtering you out because your dopler speed(probably not the right terminlogy) is so low it thinks you're the ground

[sturdy topaz]

you just fall below one of two thresholds

your closure to the aircraft, and your closure relative to the ground

which is why the F-14 has both the ZDF and MLC

[steep apex]

infact as I understand notching simply isnt a thing with AESA?

[sturdy topaz]

as far as I know not really

though I'd have to read up on ESAs in general

[whole cove]

It's at least much less of an issue

[steep apex]

which means technically it shouldnt really work in vtol

[sturdy topaz]

it shouldn't really work in most DCS jets

[steep apex]

what?

I admittedly am not well informed on the radars in euro or russian A/C but almost all of the american jets do not have ESA radars?

[whole cove]

In DCS, the only aircraft with an AESA might be the Streagle, but even then, I think it's just the MESA

[sturdy topaz]

APG-70 is mechanically scanned

do not say MESA that's mechanically electronically scanned array

[gusty pollen]

allegedly the viper radar was relatively susceptible to notching

[whole cove]

my b

[sturdy topaz]

only PD based radars that reasonably should be notched are the AWG-9, Cyrano IV, and the Zhuk systems, along with maybe APG-63v(1)

[steep apex]

would the viper radars in DCS be the up to date ones

I forget what block it is

[sturdy topaz]

depends on the radar

block does not matter for your radar at all

some MLUs have APG-83; trying to decide radar by block alone is pointless

[gusty pollen]

viper has been getting aesa recently

[sturdy topaz]

we're given APG-68v(5), the radar introduced on late CG/DGs and early CJ/DJs

though later CJ/DJs eventually get v(7) and v(8)

[steep apex]

like, IRL? or in DCS?

[sturdy topaz]

realistically we should have APG-68v(9) but meh

ED refuses to accept it

[sturdy topaz]

irl

[gusty pollen]

irl

[sturdy topaz]

nothing in DCS has an AESA

[steep apex]

I dont think ED can do ESA radars

thats the main reason stated for why they havent done a super bug

the radar is still export restricted, among other systems, supposedly

[sturdy topaz]

we have a PESA on the MiG-31, but I believe it's just treated as an MSA

ESAs are also a fuck to simulate

if you wanted it realistically without some gross oversimplification (or the black magic NOR's pulling off), you'd get worse performance than a 4 ship of mudhens flying finger 4

[steep apex]

I mean radar in DCS is already oversimplified

look at how much people rightfully lost their shit at HB doing their own similation for the F-4 radar

[sturdy topaz]

fishbed having a laser designator as its early radar 💀

[steep apex]

I definately feel like AESA would just be magically knows everything beam with coding to tell it to ignore anything behind terrain

[whole cove]

The SuperBug's dev rights for flight sims might still be an exclusive contract between VRS and Boeing

[sturdy topaz]

there's more to it than that but sure

[steep apex]

In DCS I mean

[sturdy topaz]

you'd have to worry about detection range decreasing as your angle off bore increases

[steep apex]

re: being over simplified

I mean sure

[sturdy topaz]

which is a known drawback with ESAs

[steep apex]

"Beam" was probably the wrong term to use

dome is a bit better-
though I think technically it'd be a series of lobes?

IIRC

[sturdy topaz]

lobes yes

[steep apex]

the doohicky

[sturdy topaz]

it is what it is

it doesn't matter all too much anyway; your point made sense

[steep apex]

then again even MSA's radiate in lobes technically

they just tend to ignore the side lobes

[sturdy topaz]

all radars do

DCS being decades old shows its age

[whole cove]

That's why I love the quirks of the APQ-120, you can theoretically lock up a target from a side lobe

well, 16 years.

[steep apex]

2008 wasnt 16 years ag-

💀

[sturdy topaz]

DCS's framework is even older by the way

ever heard of lock-on?

[whole cove]

LOMAC is like 20 years old yeah

[steep apex]

wonder how much of SU-27 Flanker code is in DCS

[whole cove]

Falcon 4.0 is 26 years old...

[thorn pagoda]

I was 4 when it came out what the fuck

[sturdy topaz]

most of it is maintained with the flankers in game I believe

[whole cove]

DCS at the current point in time is spaghetti code built on top of linguini code, on top of lasagna

[sturdy topaz]

^^^

[whole cove]

Wrapped up in a Stromboli

[steep apex]

the basis of DCS folks

wait

[sturdy topaz]

which became this

and eventually this

[steep apex]

Im noticing a pattern 💀

[whole cove]

Z!

[sturdy topaz]

mhm

LOMAC became FC3

[whole cove]

I actually find it wild how BMS has a FF F-15C, whereas DCS doesn't

[sturdy topaz]

ED will be ED

[whole cove]

That's why I stan HeatBlur

[steep apex]

HB should just amke their own damn sim at this point

[whole cove]

Or port the F-4E to Metrea's Sim, what was it called? NOR?

[sturdy topaz]

NOR

that's based on UE5 I believe

[steep apex]

man I just want more combat sim competition that isnt fuckin private, or government funded

[sturdy topaz]

Metrea'd make so much if they made a civilian branch

they probably know it tbh

[whole cove]

They'd probably kill DCS overnight if the devs were allowed to make modules for NOR

[steep apex]

its crazy that the only options these days for civilian ownership are MSFS or DCS

[whole cove]

They already have a Eurofighter and Viper

[sturdy topaz]

Prepar3D also exists

[steep apex]

I guess that kinda counts but aren't they more corperate-aimed

[sturdy topaz]

I mean it is made by Lockmart

[whole cove]

I thought P3D died when XP12 and MSFS came out?

[sturdy topaz]

no they've continued on

added weaponry I believe

[whole cove]

At least, from what I could tell on the public side of it

I couldn't tell you what corporations or depts use it for.

It's still based on FSX code from 2006 iirc

[sturdy topaz]

who knows

[whole cove]

Anyone want to hop on in about: <t:1719774047:R>

[steep apex]

my ass is not gunna be awake

[whole cove]

At 2PM CDT?

[steep apex]

my sleep schedule is fucked

and I tend to stay up late as it is

[sturdy topaz]

maybe?

depends on what we'd be doing

[steep apex]

I do need an excuse to start playing again though

[sturdy topaz]

@whole cove any ideas?

[whole cove]

Phantom’ing

[steep apex]

I'd be the loser in a hornet anyway so

[wind sandal]

hornet never loses 💪💪💪💪💪💪

[steep apex]

I sure hope not if the tech tree is at phantom

lmao

[whole cove]

We could always just hop on like a 4YA server or something and fly combined sorties

[keen scroll]

👍

[keen scroll]

@whole cove 🤯

[gusty thorn]

If you don't immediately buzz the tower I'm going to say that you fell off

[sage valve]

Krieger went soft

[gusty pollen]

fr

instead of buzzing an airfield he should bomb an airfield in hoggit training

[whole cove]

Bruh

[sturdy topaz]

hasn't nuked an airfield yet

smh

[keen scroll]

I will bomb hoggit HQ with 17x GBU-31 Penetrators

[unborn rock]

PA radar in aircraft when? Someone should mount a SPY-1 as a structual panel

[whole cove]

Diccusing is over

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/IFrIL0fNfX0?si=8cbuHTtx-3UUHNlg

Bruh

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/xzsrAvjJz7k?si=1Nwyk8skupjQCgLj

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/xFQsHHiSAqw?si=S4S44DgIsJXBN6GS

[whole cove]

Gonna have to try and deploy GBU-8s tomorrow. Also, still cannot figure out shrikes

Man, no wonder the Shrikes don’t work with Jester. He isn’t programmed to set them up yet

Someone’s gotta be my front/backseater so we can shrike or bomb

Man. I finally got him to work the radar, but A/G with jester is kind of a pain. That’s why I like the servers that have reaper drones as JTAC and auto-lase targets above bases

Or a buddy lase

[steep apex]

I could always buddy laz in the bug some time

[whole cove]

Combined flights would go hard. Phantoms for strike, Viper for SEAD/CAP, Hornet for Multirole / Buddy Lase. We’ll have to set up a time for multiple people to hop on and make it a night of Diccusing

[forest flint]

No kiowas for buddy lasing :(

[whole cove]

I mean, go for it. We’d have to coordinate time on target

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/x5oJUPPo8zQ?si=PZznwxhVsZ0JipSi
Cool stuff

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/CIxeyF0ax4s?si=PHbvN2GUzVU6i09r

[whole cove]

5/0 in one life on GS is crazy

[rugged fog]

is it?

I have gone over 6-0 with aim-9Ps only

the people on that server are braindead

[whole cove]

I guess. Just never played GS before seriously, Ace in a day is a little far fetched for me fr

[sturdy topaz]

don't

it's not worth the effort tbh

[whole cove]

I mean, Ferret and Krieger did half the work baiting some of the bozos, I just shot at them

[rugged fog]

hard

yeah if your new to gs 5 in a life is quite good

especially if your not gpulling or anything fancy

[whole cove]

Just some vertical S-turns at 7G to defend

[rugged fog]

yeah thats basically g-pulling in dcs lol

it works though

no need to run cold or even fully enter the beam

[unborn rock]

Are laser mavs easier than IR mavs?

[forest flint]

DCS IR locks weird sometimes, prefering buildings over running tanks

[whole cove]

dumb bombing in the 🅱️hantom is fun, even solo

[whole cove]

I would kill for GBU-24s in VTOL

Melikebigboom.wav

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/rS93zcXYHaU?si=NCBSBphnCyRAJO43
Big help and I will start using some of these features more when I fly

The real fun will be actually putting in Coords as a WSO

I just need a pilot 😔

[unborn rock]

If I had it I’d taxi you around

[keen scroll]

Yes

Laser mavs are VTOL mavs frfr

[unborn rock]

Yeah I figured that out lol. Two buttons instead of ten

[sturdy topaz]

wait what aircraft needs 10 buttons to fire a 65D

[lilac rune]

Thank you for your understanding and not passion and support is crazy

[sturdy topaz]

what not including basic features does to a module

[lilac rune]

ED is like "hey guys, so we are delaying it even more but dont worry we are going to finally do the bare minimum and also release instructions!!!!"

[lilac rune]

isn't it also not going to have force trim lol

[sturdy topaz]

yeah it wasn’t

hopefully it gets force trim now that it’s delayed, but we’ll see

[unborn rock]

My expectations were low but holy shit

[sturdy topaz]

no multicrew either

iirc originally they weren’t even going to add cargo and ctld either

[gusty pollen]

wait no way this is real

what reason would cause them to not have force trim on release??

Multicrew I at least partially understand but no force trim is wild

[sturdy topaz]

so you see the reason the community didn’t like the early release very much

it was missing basic things

[unborn rock]

WHAT

[sturdy topaz]

I really wanted it

but not with the state they’re releasing it

[unborn rock]

“Here, have a logistical helicopter with no logistical capability.”

[keen scroll]

F-16, I count 15 distinct actions to boresight and fire

[gusty pollen]

I never bother with boresighting anymore

too much hassle for so little gain

and for like a month or two boresighting was straight up broken and I didn't find out until the patch that fixed it dropped 😭

[sturdy topaz]

hm

it's always just been slew => TMS fwd => wpn rel

though something may have happened to employment that I'm unaware of

since I haven't flown it in DCS for months

[keen scroll]

I'm talking about using them with tgp auto handoff

[unborn rock]

I think the longest part of learning it was realizing I needed to handoff from the TGP, and then realizing I didn't need a TGP

[gusty pollen]

streagle getting the radar fix tomorrow

[rugged fog]

Hype

[unborn rock]

Did ED pay up?

[gusty pollen]

lmao

[unborn rock]

Honestly that dude had a great idea of an insurance time bomb

[whole cove]

Big if true

APQ-120 my beloved tho

[deft lodge]

@fresh echo

[fresh echo]

YYYYYEAAAAAAAAAAA

[keen scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-gif-2379897567703251318

ED L directly followed by an ED W

[gusty pollen]

there is so many ED Ls in the past month

[harsh notch]

Reapers for the win man. Not biased.

[unborn rock]

4ya is blessed

[deft lodge]

you were on that yesterday, right? (I was on there last night with some buddies)

[stone plover]

I think I have that exact one

[unborn rock]

Yep

[deft lodge]

i saw ya flying around, hell yeah. on there rn with my boys again

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/DhqmgGyhED4?si=U5aSLqJsmzZhhmRm

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3338228/
@marble gazelle @green temple If you ever want to get into DCS liveries... 👀

[unborn rock]

I can hop on

[whole cove]

@harsh hearth ^^ maybe... unless?
🥺
👉👈

[sturdy topaz]

I may join

depends on what we're doing though

[unborn rock]

Which 4ya are you on?

[green temple]

Perchance

[whole cove]

🐐

[deft lodge]

US PVE 2

[unborn rock]

Ah, 50/50 shot. I missed

[deft lodge]

you in

[unborn rock]

Am now

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/KLvUgN8iOGQ?si=ek0qUQV4mUc9N2RU

[wind sandal]

anybody know how the heli gameplay on contention is?

[deft lodge]

We're at Maykop

[unborn rock]

Okie dokie

[hushed imp]

im also hopping onto 4ya us 2

[unborn rock]

The more the merrier!

[hushed imp]

what yall flying

[unborn rock]

Bugs

[hushed imp]

aight I will be too

[deft lodge]

fuck yeah

waiting on that F-16 to get back rn @unborn rock

[unborn rock]

No worries

[hushed imp]

im on freq 247.300 if yall want to be able to talk

[unborn rock]

Nothing on the freq

[deft lodge]

im in a vc rn in another server

[hushed imp]

ffs broke my front gears door going to land and repair/respawn

[harsh notch]

The new pit

[gusty pollen]

no not the 60% keyboard 😭

[hushed imp]

not everyone is a programmer

[harsh notch]

Just use left alt dummy 🙃

[wind sandal]

100% keyboard supremacy

[unborn rock]

60s make me sick

Gotta relog, brb

[hushed imp]

im a 65% dude, would honestly like to get a tkl aswell

[whole cove]

100% keyboards are the goat

[open blade]

100% are too big

[wind sandal]

youre too small

[hushed imp]

i think the most cursed keyboard is anything that is wkl (win key less

[open blade]

TKL is the best

[open blade]

😔

[whole cove]

Oblimbion W

[wind sandal]

RAAAR I LOVE HAVING SO MANY FUCKING BUTTONS AT MY DISPOSAL

[unborn rock]

Moar buttons

[open blade]

Can't move my mouse when the long ahh keyboard is taking up my entired desk

[gusty pollen]

60 percenters when they have to enable fn and hold ctrl+alt+shift+win to use an arrow key

[open blade]

So much unnecessary empty space on full size keyboards

[wind sandal]

literally just get a bigger desk nerd

[open blade]

60% is ass though

[wind sandal]

real

[gusty pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[unborn flame]

just use a 130

lmao

[hushed imp]

what is a 130% 2 numpads? that one largest keyboard before glarses' triple keyboard?

[deft lodge]

holy shit

[gusty pollen]

now this is a keyboard

[whole cove]

GUH

[gusty pollen]

ordering one rn

[wind sandal]

wtf

[unborn rock]

https://tenor.com/view/ew-brotha-eww-meme-eww-eww-gif-gif-1452572770363109714

[wind sandal]

has an entire other numpad and is still missing buttons

[open blade]

What the

[unborn flame]

[gusty pollen]

the extra numpad can be used as the buttons it replaced

but now there is an additional button that lets you use both numpads to type numbers twice as fast

[hushed imp]

next board I build is this or a tkl

[unborn flame]

do that

[hushed imp]

macros would go crazy

kinda wanted to try out doin a handwired board, but not one that size

[orchid dew]

L take, it's not fent Saturday so hop of those drugs and snap back to reality of 100% supremacy 🧙‍♂️🧙‍♂️🧙‍♂️

[stone plover]

jesus christ...think of all the data entry that can be done...

[open blade]

They waste space

Especially if you don't need a numpad

[orchid dew]

You waste space

[sturdy topaz]

I’m just gonna go back to using my 65

[deft lodge]

just trying to figure LGBUs with the LITENING pod in the hornet

[unborn flame]

https://youtu.be/Ea6lgb296YE?si=_XOAllC9hyW-Au9Q

https://youtu.be/urGAhuxmaEk?si=p1bx-ZbGqfdHjbcf

[hushed imp]

This vid is what I used to learn lgbs

[whole cove]

I wish I didn’t waste money on the Normandy and Channel maps for DCS.

[fresh echo]

Gotta be honest, whenever I figure out how to get the PACS working on the Streagle so I can program my damn GBU-12s, Im maining it

[whole cove]

Kola’s upcoming Winter Textures by Baltic Dragon look so good, but I don’t have the space for it

[fresh echo]

F-15E has JSOWs you can ripple fire at pre-selected locations with the TGP.

area of deletion.mp4

A mini version of this

[unborn flame]

its like rapid dragon but

hypersonic

[fresh echo]

Engineers said "How about we make a hypersonic revolver based on Rapid Dragon"
And then sniffed lines of coke

[naive osprey]

rapid dragon seems like such a better idea than this

only issue maybe is that the launch position is vertical instead of horizontal

[thorn pagoda]

Considering we have Lockheed as a defense contractor are you really surprised they’re high off coke

I mean

The f-104 exists

[whole cove]

Pave Spike tips

For my WSOs out there

[unborn rock]

I think I got them for free

[whole cove]

I got Normandy 2 at a discount, it wouldn’t load without the WWII assets pack, so I had to pay full price anyways

I probably should have disputed that with ED, but that was almost six months ago

[sturdy topaz]

I can show you sometime

it's not too hard

[whole cove]

I was going to hop on real quick tonight, but I have quite the headache. Maybe tomorrow so I can spread some freedom over undemocratic soil with the Phantom.

[sturdy topaz]

anybody planning on hopping on today?

[unborn rock]

I'll be on today, but I have some consulting work I gotta do this afternoon, so it'll be later

[sturdy topaz]

I gotcha

[deft lodge]

ED try not the delay updates challenge ** impossible **

[orchid dew]

Truly an ED moment

Hopefully this update brings a fix to the 15E radar

[hushed imp]

did it get delayed again?

@quiet kayak sorry for copium last night if so

[deft lodge]

You in their discord?

[hushed imp]

no

[deft lodge]

I think it is

[hushed imp]

can you dm me an invite?

[deft lodge]

Dear All,

We regret to inform you that additional time is required to thoroughly test the recent fixes, necessitating another delay. We will communicate the new patch date as soon as the tasks are completed.

Thank you for your understanding and continued support.

Eagle Dynamics

This is what they said earlier lol

[deft lodge]

Yeah I gotchu

[whole cove]

Total ED L

[deft lodge]

Fr dude

[keen scroll]

well it's certainly not the time it took them to remove the Chinook files from the update, seeing the lack of content

[keen scroll]

On now

[deft lodge]

well, we found a fix for the Streagle radar without changing system date and is useable in MP

[hushed imp]

yea, thats been the workaround for now nvm I did not read what you said

[unborn rock]

Supposed to, according to NineLine

[deft lodge]

two weeks now tho 💀

[whole cove]

Any real Phantom patriots want to spread freedom?

[orchid dew]

Man i would but I'm on vacation right now

Womp womp

No freedom for me

[whole cove]

Any real DCS patriots want to hop on?

[deft lodge]

on rn with a buddy

[fresh echo]

I got it, the LCFT spot is glitched for multiple bombs

every other station (usually) works well.

[fresh echo]

ok

https://medal.tv/games/dcs-world/clips/icI2oHSBigPdwx_RA/d1337VDnHOMJ?invite=cr-MSxvYzQsNDAzMjAwMSw

So I got clapped 100 nm away from base

ripped both the wings off, left everything intact

I glided, 100 nm, and landed. And of course one of the wheels glitches into the ground to kill me

F-15C for the W

ON 4TH OF JULY AS WELL AMERICA

[green temple]

f15 moment

[deft lodge]

anyone know if you can slew the TGP to the head in the Hornet?

[wind sandal]

yeah you can

[deft lodge]

i need to know

how

[hushed imp]

soi the hud,
make target thingy with tdc depress,
iirc this sets your waypoint to where you targeted so do WPDSG on the HSI,
profit

you cannot do the vtol thing though were it tracks to your head as you look around, I would reccomend just making waypoints to find targets

[whole cove]

<@&1095016968643428422> @ dcs Any REAL DCS "F-4E Phantom II" patriots want to hop on and do some multicrew shenans?

[trim monolith]

if you buy it for me

[whole cove]

Hell nah

[trim monolith]

lmaoo

[whole cove]

I know I can't force anyone to like it, the usual crew is off the Diccus grindset for now and nobody else has it

[harsh notch]

Hmm

I'd be down to diccus albeit it wouldn't be the f4

[whole cove]

Phantover

In any case, I'm on hoggy training

[harsh notch]

I'll hop on here in a minute

[wise oak]

I'm work weh

Monday maybe?

[whole cove]

Probably not, work the

Then

Sorry

[hushed imp]

I can be on for non phantom dcs at 3am est

I feel like I won't be gaming dcs for a bit

[whole cove]

that is suuuuper late

[hushed imp]

Yes, this is also my avaliablity until the 14th

[whole cove]

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3338099/

For later

[unborn flame]

the late E dual tone with navy perplexes me

[whole cove]

Hill Two VF-111 guh

[unborn flame]

yeah

[whole cove]

And the TuAF shark mouth

[unborn flame]

quite a creature

[green temple]

Sundowners mentioned

[unborn flame]

just perplexing

still cool

[green temple]

Why the fuck did I not think to do that for the tailcode on the sundowners liveries, that’d look so much better than the current one

[whole cove]

See? Idea guy

[green temple]

🤑

[tulip crystal]

Is there a chair/hotas combo that I can save for? I want to fly the F16. I have a quest 3 and pedals. Budget is about $1500-2000

I don’t like how the F/A 18 has the joystick in the middle. I’m in love with the F16 even though it’s older tech. Looking for as close to the real F16 cockpit as possible. Buttons, switches, screens, etc. the less mouse clicks the better

[whole cove]

If you aren't super hardcore into it, you can do 80% of the F-16 with a Thrustmaster Warthog and pedals and Track IR

I also have foxxmounts for my HOTAS

[tulip crystal]

Nice. Thanks for the suggestion! I’d prefer my quest 3 over track IR. It will work right?

[whole cove]

I used to use the Q2 on DCS, but the resolution would probably be comparable from Q3 to flatscreen. I'm a flatscreen nerd because 4K TV

[keen scroll]

I wouldn't get a warthog, it's pretty outdated and overpriced for what it is.

Winwing has a bunch of F-16 stuff, including a semi-replica throttle and stick that have a few extra functions compared to the real thing

They also have an ICP and MFDs if you wanna go full simpit

[sturdy topaz]

still think they missed out not making the F-16 ICP the IUFCP

but I’ll take the block 50 ICP + DED up top

[tulip crystal]

Cool! I’ll look it up. Isn’t the warthog the A10? I’m not really into CAS

[keen scroll]

Well, Thrustmaster produces a hotas named "Warthog" (the one joe recommended). It is moddeled after the hotas of the A-10, but the A-10 shares a common stick design with the F-16, hence you could easily use an A-10 stick to fly the viper

[hushed imp]

Also the warthog hotas has enough buttons for most aircraft in most games

[tulip crystal]

Oh I see . Understood yes that makes sense lol.

[tulip crystal]

https://youtu.be/jCe6F70MmcA?si=FbQMaLTw2F2MuG1v

[gusty pollen]

https://youtu.be/jCe6F70MmcA?t=350

timestamped

bro got the DAWGS out

[whole cove]

FOR FRE

FEEEE

[whole cove]

Managed a 1:30 flight in the tomcat from cold start to cold stop. Got 4 targets with GBU-12/24s, flew 110 miles East to intercept a MiG-21 with a phoenix, (overkill), flew all the way back home, 135+ nmi, managed a 1 wire on centerline trap first try. VTOL training does help.

Love the tomcat, love Jester

[unborn flame]

hecky yea

Tomcat my beloved

how far was the 54

[whole cove]

38 miles at launch. 40K feet, MiG-21 co-alt. Lofted to 80+ iirc, hit him at 1100knts

Like a 120D from a 45 in space

[whole cove]

If anyone wants to multicrew sometime, let me know. We can set up a DCS night or something.

[steep apex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9lmDbSgO2A

[steep apex]

mostly a response to this one
TL;DR
This video is great, but it's inaccurate because DCS's simulation is bad.

[sturdy topaz]

it’s what happens when you let a company focus on churning out modules and a community that doesn’t care for the actual realism if it “looks right” take over the future of a game

“RWR is not a precision instrument” is wild though

if only we had a properly functioning ALR-56M

[unborn flame]

hell yeah

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/Tr-8NgirgoU?si=_mY4VnfJbSSbgueS

Dudes will see this and say "hell yeah"

[simple pasture]

Hell yeah

[wanton loom]

hell yeah

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/pTa4FpK2pRI?si=cL9zuos2GM-T5BiC

[whole cove]

@unborn flame Thanks for RIO'ing for me earlier. You're gonna have to send me a write up of all the comms you threw at me that I wouldn't already know from VTOL (The F-14 specific ones, lmao) Anytime you see me on, lmk if you wanna fly again. Cheers broski.

Also, I forgor tomcat has DLC, did not use haha

must. practice. landings.

[unborn rock]

Same, I have it bound but I never use it

[whole cove]

I'm reading Chuck's Guide rn

good stuff

[unborn rock]

Chuck is goat

[unborn flame]

Anything in particular

I can mention the brief I gave while fencing in
"My chaff your flares your radar at 15"
It was just saying that countermeasures are on I'll worry about dropping chaff you worry about dropping flares
The your radar at X just means once you get within a certain range it becomes kinda difficult to lock stuff from the backseat without doing some bullshit wizardry with the antenna so RIOs brief "your radar at X" to tell the pilot once the engagement gets within that range take radar control (ACM, VSL, PLM/PAL)

[whole cove]

Ah, I'm reading the guide and I don't think I have the PLM stuff set up

[unborn flame]

Another thing that would happen is the pilot would acknowledge "I have radar control" by saying "my radar"

[unborn flame]

You should do that when you get the chance

It's really useful

[whole cove]

Yeah, I'm on that section now

ty for the deets. You can be my RIO anytime.

https://tenor.com/view/you-can-always-be-my-wingman-top-gun-gif-18293153

[lean summit]

Hell. YEAH

[hushed imp]

Man, yall might get me to pickup the tomcat

[green temple]

That’ll be $80

[whole cove]

It's fun coming from the 18 or 16. Definitely shows its age though

Stupid powerful radar, long range Fox 3s, a 1980s Phantom pilot's wet dream fr fr

[hushed imp]

I have trialed it before and it's definitely very fun

I do want something cold war to game with, would get phantom but not on sale rn

Might pick it up around Christmas if it's on sale thrn

[lean summit]

How does multicrew work, do you still run things off the HOTAS or is it all dials, switches and buttons in the back seat?

[whole cove]

Ideally you can do everything with just HOTAS commands. The F-16 is pretty simple for that

The tomcat, backseat has a lot of potential modifiers needed for both the targeting pod and radar display

The Phantom is slightly simpler

[unborn flame]

Luv me LANTIRN

[unborn rock]

Kitty is great

[fresh echo]

burning through jams in the F15E at like, 60nm and getting a lock gets me hard

[deft lodge]

Bro 💀

[whole cove]

Fair point.

Did they finally fix the radar

[fresh echo]

No, I use Budgie until they fix it

[unborn rock]

Really? This last patch was supposed to fix it.

[hushed imp]

It's not out yet

[unborn rock]

Oh, I see

[sturdy topaz]

afaik ED's refused to roll out the fix

[whole cove]

Pussies

[gusty pollen]

they confirmed that the fix is coming in the next update

it's just the update keeps getting delayed

[whole cove]

Typical ED ED

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/8JLToFkB3ZE?si=Am2iolfcF3N-eKbp

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/WB98Qnh5f50?si=V94wDqF-1z--9jR_
@marble gazelle

[unborn flame]

NEW KELLER DOMINIK VID

LETS GOOOOOOOOO

[forest flint]

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3337400/ can any real hornet patrios take a pic of every angle of this skin for meeee

like top sides and bottom

[steep apex]

remind me tomorrow

[forest flint]

Ty

There like no pics of that livery bc its onky been to a few shows so far so its hard trying to find good pics to recreate it

[steep apex]

in the mean

[forest flint]

Like theres enoguh to reconstruct it but not realky any good angles where i can just look at it and go “yup”

Its a cool livery tho

The binary reads RCAF 2024 and ARC 2024

[hushed imp]

I'm very rarely Canada first on anything, but i think that the 100 year rcaf livery is one of if not the best f18 livery out there

Not that I dislike Canada, but other country's are better at every specific thing

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/7_dXggNCSW8?si=74VmROZZT2KgA0Rs

It's out!

[wind sandal]

damn dude you were quicker than ED lmao

[whole cove]

Saw the video on my feed. Banger shots and banger music

DCS: F-15E Suite 4+ by RAZBAM Simulations
Radar inoperative problem fixed by Eagle Dynamics.
LFG!

F-4 and F-14 additions and fixes

[stone plover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxIzVEKMZdo

[unborn flame]

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/changelog/stable/2.9.6.57650/

[whole cove]

Welp

Guess I gotta give ED 10 more dollars

[stone plover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw860xxUfgw

[vocal ore]

huh

afgan looks cool

might be my first map purchase if it doesnt have the same issues as kola

[whole cove]

I'd wait a bit. Usually when maps first come out they're horribly unfinished

[green temple]

1. release unfinished product
2. "that’ll be $70 please"
3. profit

[whole cove]

That's DCS in a shellnut

You pay to be a beta tester p much

[green temple]

that’s what I’m saying

[forest flint]

F-5 Tiger, Su-27 Flanker, Su-25 Frogfoot, MiG-29 Fulcrum, MiG-15., F-15C Eagle

they didnt include the J-11 name either

[whole cove]

The J-11 is just "Flanker-L"

[green temple]

Yeah you can’t really put "Fagot" on youtube

[hushed imp]

sniper pod for the f16 is "in advanced development" and "planned to release later this year"

also there are false returns for the 16 and 18

[unborn rock]

TWO WEEKStm

[hushed imp]

Yup

[keen scroll]

They really want everyone to know who "fixed" the radar lmao

[whole cove]

Is it?

I haven’t tried

Anyone want to hop on in about an hour for F-4 shenanigans?

You could always buddy lase for me

[keen scroll]

According to today's changelog at least

I gotta get up early tomorrow so no diccus gaming

[steep apex]

you didn't remind me

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[forest flint]

I forgot too

[whole cove]

Anyone want to figure out a time and day for a mass raid of hoggy training with all CAW people

[steep apex]

at that point why not just host a mission ourselves

[forest flint]

Caw op in dcs

Bull Pen in dcs fr

I really need to learn the kiowa again and mahbe the weapons will work this time but ive just not been in the mood to fly

And now im stuck on monster hunter where ive gotten almost my total dcs hours in mhw within the week

[hushed imp]

Dude, remaking and flying bull pen (or as close as we can get with the dcs maps) would be so fun

[forest flint]

I do think remaking a singular caw op and running it in dcs every once in a while would be a cool thing to do

That requires someone to do that though

[hushed imp]

Yea, and dcs mission editor kinda goofy

[forest flint]

And adding onto that, not remaking it 1 to 1 but utilizing some of the things dcs has over vtol to enhance it

Just even just a 1 to 1 would be cool to have and plah every now and then, we’d only need to make it once

Even though i couldnt participate in them likely

[hushed imp]

We would also likely want to have airbase spawns, because other wise we have only the f14 and 18

[forest flint]

We could include F-15 and A-10

This also makes it easier for more people to joij

[hushed imp]

I need representation for my boy the 16

[forest flint]

Yeh that too to play a T-55

[hushed imp]

Ooh, the f16d sufa mod

[forest flint]

Blackhawks

Seahawk

[hushed imp]

I mean all helicopters can land on a boat

Also harrier exists

[forest flint]

Playing what

I guess better the harrier than the a-10

[hushed imp]

But I have seen someone in dcs land the apache on a heli carrier

[forest flint]

The one op with the JASDF 26’s could be a good conversion

With JASDF F-15 and F-16 being 26 and 55

Excuse to have airbase spawns

[hushed imp]

I mean we are adapting vtol missions to dcs, the don't need to be 1-1

[forest flint]

I also just like that op lol

F-15 carrier spawn

👍

It has a hook

[hushed imp]

Fair, but bull pen is one of the best caw ops of all time

[forest flint]

Yes also a bjg fan

I think bull pen would make the most sense

Whats taking the place of EW 24’s and the 45’s 🤔

Hornets for the 45’s?

A-10 with 4 jammers fr

[hushed imp]

Change it to tomcat who needs to do surveillance on targets

It's has a pod for that

[unborn flame]

TARPS

quite funni

doesnt work rn tho

[forest flint]

Kiwi

[unborn flame]

when it is implemented itll lead to some cool shenanigans attached are pictures from TARPS

you can also use it to do an INS fix

[hushed imp]

Thought it was, or is gray flags implementation highly bodged together?

Because I thought gray flag had it

[unborn flame]

Grayflag has it but HB is intending to actually implement it as a system iirc

yknow

provided

moners

[hushed imp]

Ah, alright

[thorn pagoda]

I’ve caught a 3 wire with the phantom

Granted I murdered the landing gear to do it

But I did it

[keen scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-yes-sir-oorah-oorah-marine-twerk-army-gif-22931251

Although, how are you gonna take part joe, did you get unbanned?

[whole cove]

I never got banned in-game, just from their discord

[whole cove]

https://youtu.be/lhA3mnGA6Ek?si=zZ3NMDC7fp4_Nzd3

[stone plover]

https://youtu.be/mwpb6YOJ2L0?si=dE4K9PFqNnQ25yC3

[gusty pollen]

cool looking aircraft but not 70 dollars worth of cook

[stone plover]

agreed

[gusty pollen]

crazy that they're pricing it the same as the harrier even though it does way less in comparison

[unborn rock]

I want it so bad though…

[green temple]

DCS moment

[unborn rock]

Should be a $40 module

[whole cove]

New releases being sold at full price is retarded

[wind sandal]

only recent one that makes sense for its price is the kiowa

[thorn pagoda]

For any module or ones made by ED?

[whole cove]

New F-14 sounds are lit

[unborn flame]

yeah

[keen scroll]

LETS GOOO https://chucksguides.com/aircraft/dcs/f-15e/

[pale mauve]

My ass thought Razbam finally got around to solving their issues with ED

[vestal spire]

Best game

[hushed imp]

does anyone in here have interest in doing a dcs liberation campaign?

[stone plover]

I'm game for whatever PVE in DCS y'all want to try to get together

[sturdy topaz]

I can scrounge up an old mission I had planned for a different server if we have the people

[hushed imp]

I mean we can set up a mini op if your mission needs people

i only asked if people wanted to play liberation because I wanted to get more people here on dcs at once

[harsh notch]

I'd be down but timing might not be on my side right now.

[hushed imp]

what times would work for you? we obviously are not going to be able to get everybody who plays dcs to get in, but we can at least try to get as many as possible

[summer timber]

Well I only just got my hotas so I’d be down to try to do something at least

[keen scroll]

I'm down for diccus

[harsh notch]

Like, I more so mean I'm just busy lately. Doing IM softball with my squadron so I don't have a specific weekday I'm reliably off other than Friday however tomorrow I'm busy with redoing my entire lawn. This weekend I'm out of town on Saturday. Yall should find a time for those interested and if it happens to work I'll join yall 🤙

[sturdy topaz]

I'm not home until Saturday anyway lol

[wide frost]

depends on the map but id be down

[hushed imp]

I dont currently own any additional maps, but I am probably going to pickup PG soonish

what maps would you be willing to play

[wide frost]

i only got marianas and caucasus

[hushed imp]

ah, would be willing to do one on one of those maps, likely marinas to try to cut down total unit count

[wide frost]

some sort of island liberation starting from the carrier starting north and going south taking islands would be cool

final objective is guam and you have to take anderson afb and the naval port or smth like that

[hushed imp]

im just using the dcs liberation program, basically auto generates a "dynamic" campaign for you. kinda like how bms does it

[wide frost]

Oh that’s cool

Never knew that existed

Is it in dcs or some sort of external application?

[hushed imp]

external application

[unborn rock]

Ye

[hushed imp]

the 15e is still on life support yes?

[keen scroll]

Yes

Apparently "supported by ED" now, whatever that means

[whole cove]

So what, they took over development? That’ll go over well

We’ll see an update by 2038

[hushed imp]

means that ED is going to make the money from it, while never patching it unless unless its completely unflyable

[gusty pollen]

idk about development

more like life support

[whole cove]

oof

[unborn flame]

https://youtu.be/_eVU68mZ158?si=aVpBgr675qtR3ovi

[whole cove]

Can't wait to hear about them going third party and then not being paid

[unborn flame]

they wont

[summer timber]

I am beginning my journey on the AJS 37 Viggen tomorrow

[unborn flame]

why

like

[summer timber]

hhehehehe dorito

[unborn flame]

fair enough

[summer timber]

I like STOL planes lol

[unborn flame]

based

[summer timber]

if you can't land on a fucking road your plane is useless to me

🗣️

[unborn flame]

ive always wanted to learn the Viggen it seems like a fun airplane

[summer timber]

from what I've seen and heard it's more fun than most aircraft because it's more efficient at short and quick strikes at low altitude

[unborn flame]

it is

[summer timber]

it's like an A10 but even earlier and meant for being a pesky fucking dumbass

[hushed imp]

im sure @frozen idol can teach people

[summer timber]

with one hell of an afterburner for its time

[unborn flame]

yep

[summer timber]

I'm forcing him to teach me

like we already agreed on that a while ago

😭

[hushed imp]

how is it an a10? in the way its ground attack?

[summer timber]

the AJS37 was designed as an interceptor and ground pounder

which makes it surprisingly fun

[frozen idol]

Can i drop some documents?

[summer timber]

yes.

[unborn flame]

are they class

[frozen idol]

Were

[summer timber]

giveth me the AJS37 manuals

[frozen idol]

Not anymore

[unborn flame]

your good

[summer timber]

the AJS 37 is so outdated and old that the documents have been declassified ever since the gripen became a thing

(it only got taken out of service in 2007)

[unborn flame]

its not that old

[hushed imp]

am I not allowed to commit a thug shaker central and leak classifed military documents for ego purposes

[summer timber]

1967

it's almost as old as the F14

it is. OLD.

[frozen idol]

Part 1 (swedish)

[summer timber]

it was in service for almost 30 years

[summer timber]

YESSS

anyways you're teaching me tomorrow if I do manage to scrape up enough pennies

[hushed imp]

the f117 still has a lot classified and got taken out in 2008

[unborn flame]

yeah
check it

[summer timber]

because stealth.

the AJS37 is not a stealth aircraft

[frozen idol]

I won't be home until the evening though

[unborn flame]

i know

[summer timber]

stealth aircraft will always be classified for a lot longer

because of you know

the things they do to make it stealthy

the angles and everything

that stuff is kind of important

[green temple]

RAM

[unborn flame]

materials

[summer timber]

especially RAM mixture

[frozen idol]

part 2 and 3, also in swedish

[whole cove]

(They still fly F-117s just not in combat)

[summer timber]

yea

[unborn flame]

no they dont
Pentagon said so

[summer timber]

but comparing an aircraft that was way ahead of its time and was in reality just a proof of concept of a magical equation to something that was designed as a 3rd early 4th gen aircraft doesn't really add up

(stealth is bullshit but it's real is what I'm saying)

kind of similar as to how you'd compare an F35 to something like an F16, it's not gonna add up if you ask me

[frozen idol]

Fun fact, when the viggen simulator was made, the graphics were so advanced that they used a grid system to show where you were, smaller grids = higher alt, faster moving = you're going fast, they stopped = you're either dead or landed

[summer timber]

[summer timber]

(F35 will win almost every time)

[frozen idol]

And it was manufactured in the US, worth about 8 million USD back in '72, which is about 70 million USD today

[summer timber]

[frozen idol]

If 1 USD = 10 SEK

[summer timber]

jesus christ

700 million swedish kroner or something??

😭

[hushed imp]

b.b.b.but what about that one time they gimped the 35 so it couldnt turn well, the 16 beat it in a dogfight then so we should canel the 35 program. pieere sprey best
/s

[frozen idol]

Yes, in today's money adjusted for inflation

[summer timber]

must be the most expensive gaming setup ever

[frozen idol]

And they pulled the fucking EP-13 sight when we got it

[summer timber]

and when they gimped the F35s stealth in BVR so that the F16s and F15s could actually detect it, and they gimped the radar of the F35 so it couldn't jam them

(In reality even planes like the F22 would stand almost no chance against the F35 purely because of how advanced it is)

[green temple]

wasn't pierre sprey a russian propagandist

[hushed imp]

imo depends, 1v1 with no other aircraft in the sky, the 22 would win, any other time the 35 wins

[summer timber]

Someone ran a simulation on that

2x F22 vs 1x F35

F35 jammed both their radars

smoked them both as soon as their radars came on

they had no chance

F35 launched it's AMRAAMs 40 or more miles away

[frozen idol]

@summer timber I do also have access to the wiring scheme which I have no idea if it has been declassified or not

[summer timber]

[frozen idol]

Of the sim I should add

[summer timber]

F35s are extremely advanced we have to remember

[hushed imp]

worked for the pentagon, did jack shit, claimed to have designed the 15, 16 , and a10, then went to russian propaganda shows saying how much of a waste of money stealth tech is and that only the dogfight matters

[summer timber]

it's overall stealthier than the F22, it's more modern and so on so forth

[summer timber]

(his A10 proposal was 3 years after the A10 had been made)

also he literally said to remove the F15s fuel tanks

😭

[hushed imp]

oh yea, drop tanks to get into combat, ditch them, glide home

[summer timber]

yeah 😭

but yeah no a 1 on 1 F22 vs F35

the F35 would win 8/10 times

simply because it's an entire EW suite inside a tiny little stealth jet with way more advanced tech than the current F22A

[hushed imp]

hm, wouldve assumed that 35 would lose

[summer timber]

Why so?

[hushed imp]

makes sense though

[summer timber]

it's got a more advanced radar, EW suite (something the F22 kind of lacks), off boresight missiles, better stealth because of what they learned from the F22 and B2, better integration between pilot and plane

I mean I've sat inside an F35 sim

and an F16 sim

the F35 is a fuckton more advanced

like it's more than just a generation ahead of most fighters

it makes the F22 look like a 4.5 gen 😭

[hushed imp]

the 22 being purpose built for a2a, wouldve assumed its better manuverability + I thought the 22 had lower side rcs

[summer timber]

F22 RCS was like 0.0001 meters squared direct frontal aspect only
F35 RCS was like 0.005 meters squared ALL ASPECT AVERAGE

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