Hey all, I'm working on this list here, I'm concerned I may not have enough line and AA/AV. Looking for some help brainstorming flavorful and fun dreadwing lists. The floor is lava! and plasma. <@&877300051985182740>
#Dark Angels - Eskaton Imperative - 3k - The floor is Lava
sterile summit
I was also considering swapping out one contemptor for a castaferrum dread with helical targeting array, missile launcher, and lascannon, and using extra points for something
scenic quartz
For esketron, I'd highly recommend adding something with access to phosphex/graviton. So say, rapier batteries, arquitors. Create more dangerous terrain for the wound bonus
AT also definitely feels light, if you're up against say a Spartan or Kratos you have very little to deal with it
unborn solstice
If you can find the points somewhere, don't bother with base terminators and instead take a command squad or cenobium
sterile summit
If you can find the points somewhere, don't bother with base terminators and ins...
could I take a command squad for a centurion as well as cenobium bodyguard for marduk?
sterile summit
For esketron, I'd highly recommend adding something with access to phosphex/grav...
what would you recommend? i have 3 grav guns and 3 phosphex in the list
vapid raven
The grav only matters if it has blast, so the big ones
And the command squad only works if the centurion is a delegatus for master of the legion I think
gritty coral
Why do the cenobium have breaker of witches?
sterile summit
good call, probably best to have slayers
gritty coral
I think either reaper of hosts or hunter of beasts would be the best option imo
Otherwise if you're gonna be fighting val gorback breaker of witches will rip them a new [REDACTED]
vestal light
I wish you could pick Orders at the start of the battle so niche picks like Breakers of Witches would be more viable
pale scaffold
dumb question... is there any advantage of taking a praetor over a centurion delegatus?
gritty coral
dumb question... is there any advantage of taking a praetor over a centurion del...
a praetor is a beatstick, while a delegatus is a commander
pale scaffold
ah ok, ty
@gritty coral could you enlighten some more? i thought praetor is also a commander?
scenic quartz
Preator and delegatus are both commanders, seeing as they both have master of the legion
Preator is just a higher rank, so stronger stat wise and better in melee
Delegatus is the "budget" preator option pts wise. Though his rally ability is really handy as well
pale scaffold
@scenic quartz got it, thank you!
ornate pivot
Question. AFAIK, don't you have to pay for the plasma guns before upgrading to repeaters in 2.0? Those outriders should be a LOT more expensive.
vapid raven
You do, yes
vestal light
What do we think about breachers in Eskaton?
scenic quartz
I don't think they offer anything in particular to esketron
Access to more graviton is nice, but they don't have a suspensor web so not being able to move+shoot is pretty meh
They are also significantly more expensive than tacticals. I think unless you have a good plan for them I'd rather have cheaper tacs in rhinos for my scoring troops
vestal light
Why can't you shoot with graviton guns on the move again?
light quest
Heavy
scenic quartz
Yeah. Destroyers get suspensor web graviton, and are troops in esketron so I'd rather take them
ionic wing
Shame they don’t get Line though.
scenic quartz
Yeah that would be dope
sterile summit
Dark Angels Eskaton Imperative - 3k
HQ
Farith Redloss 220
Legion Command Squad 85
2 additional chosen 36
5 combi-melta 50
5 power swords 25
Deathwing
ELITES
Inner Circle Knights Cenobium 275
Grenade Harness 5
Land Raider Proteus Carrier 220
Center TL Lascannon 15
Contemptor Talon
1st Contemptor 175
Gravis Plasma Cannon 10
Chainfist 10
Plasma Blaster 10
2nd Contemptor 175
Gravis Melta Cannon 5
Meltagun 15
Castaferrum Talon
1st Castaferrum 125
Gravis Lascannon 20
Gravis Missile Launcher 10
Helical Targeting Array 10
TROOPS
Dreadwing Interemptor Squad 125
5 additional Interemptors 100
2 Plasma Incinerators 30
2 Phosphex Bombs 20
Artificer Armor 10
Rhino 35
Dozer Blades 5
Tactical Squad 100
Artificer Armor 10
Rhino 35
Dozer Blades 5
Tactical Squad 100
Artificer Armor 10
Rhino 35
Dozer Blades 5
Tactical Squad 100
Artificer Armor 10
Rhino 35
Dozer Blades 5
Tactical Squad 100
Artificer Armor 10
Rhino 35
Dozer Blades 5
HEAVY SUPPORT
Land Raider Achilles 320
Sicaran Arcus 215
Lascannon Sponson 10
Skyspear Warheads 15
Helical Targeting Array 15
Total 2996
Take 3, thoughts?
strange marsh
Now, the galaxy brain maneuver is picking up a Death Guard Creeping Death detachment for MAXIMUM WARCRIMES
Swap three tactical squads for two death guard tactical squads and a centurion siege breaker
Then your entire deployment zone will be dangerous terrain/cover, as well as any area terrain
Also you will have to throw your lot in with Horus as Creeping Death is Traitor only
sterile summit
Also you will have to throw your lot in with Horus as Creeping Death is Traitor ...
Loyalty is its own reward 👀
scenic quartz
I don't think your list is really taking advantage of esketron imperative to the maximum extent
Esketron wants a) some units to drop down pie plates that create dangerous terrain and then b) some dakka units that can then mulch whatever got a pie plate dropped on that spot
scenic quartz
For the first part, you need phosphex or graviton. Most cost effective way of getting that is probably rapiers with graviton or phosphex
strange marsh
In terms of your list, you have way too many tacticals. 4 whole squads in rhinos is ludicrous
scenic quartz
For the second part, you want to look at guns that actually benefit from +1 to wound, so yes bolters do but the more potent option is any s5 volkite guns which are going to love +1 to wound
strange marsh
3 is probably fine, i would spend the points on some graivton rapiers
scenic quartz
Yeah second that, don't need more than 3
sterile summit
Ok sweet. Thanks! Any suggestions on bringing phosphex? Maybe replacing the sicaran with a leviathan?
sterile summit
Scratch that. Used the extra 30 points to give the rhinos combi grenade launchers for that sweet sweet pinning
scenic quartz
Eh.. I never bother with upgrades on rhinos
Die too fast
You also dont need dozer blades in esketron. Those rhinos will be dreadwing and auto pass DT tests
If you're not going to take rapier batteries, yeah a leviathan would be good
sterile summit
Good call on dozers. That leaves me with 50 points if I don't take the combis. If I remove one phosphex on the interemptors I could take a 3rd rapier and still have 1 phosphex bomb. That's probably all it'll survive to throw anyway so that's probably the plan
scenic quartz
That sounds like a good change
The one other thing I'd try and fit in is maybe some destroyers. On foot they can take graviton, and a couple volkite serpentas benefit a lot from +1 to wound
sterile summit
I thought about that too, but ended up being kinda unimpressed since graviton is heavy. Serpenta destroyers could be nasty though. 1 squad of 5 goes for about 175 points, pumping out 20 shots wounding on 2s if the enemy is in dangerous terrain. 285 for a squad of 10 vs 275 for a squad of 10 interemptors similarly kitted. If they're in an assault vehicle they'll be able to charge and wipe whatever they shoot at