Iron Warriors - 3k - Hammer of Olympia. How much Line is not enough Line | HH: Age of Darkness | Page 1

sick trout Jul 9, 2022, 6:30 AM

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Slots Upgrades
Points 3000
Remaining 2
Current Points 2998
Rite of War hammer of olympia

HQ 195
cataphractii Praetor 135
Warsmith 20
MC TH 40

Cataphractii centurion		85
	siege breaker	45
	PF	10
		
Centurion		60
	Champion	35
	boarding shield	0
	paragon blade	0

Elites 420
contemptor base 175
gravis lascannon 20
melta 15

contemptor	base	175
	gravis lascannon	20
	melta	15
		
dominators	base	225

Troops 313
20x shrapnel pistols + chain bayonets base 100
+10 marines 100
AA, pf 25
20x shrapnel pistol 40
19x chain bayonet 38
vexila 10
augury 10

10x shrapnel bolter tacs	base	100
	shrapnel bolters	20
	AA, pf	25
	vexila	10
		
10x shrapnel bolter tacs	base	100
	shrapnel bolters	20
	AA, pf	25
	vexila	10

Heavy Support 1290
5x siege terminators 300
+5 siege termies 275

leviathan	base	270
	melta lance	20
	phosphex	20
		
spartan	base	350
	flare shield	50
	spotlight	5

My big worry for this list is that the spartan is the only AV, although 2 contemptors and a leviathan can also eat an awful lot of lascannons.
I'm also not sure if 3 squads is enough objective holders, especially without rhinos. Would it be better to take 2 10 man squads with bayonets, giving me an extra sgt (and extra AA), or is the extra weight of bodies (and more efficient reactions) worth it.

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charred compass Jul 9, 2022, 7:33 AM

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sick trout Slots Upgrades Points 3000 Remaining 2 Current Points 2998 Rite of War ...

G'day Witnessme.

This is a very good list but I do agree it is lacking in troops.
another interesting choice is running fists over graviton maces?
Realistically your Tactical's should be moving to objectives and living there for the rest of the game, as annoying as it sounds, I personally wouldn't bother with 20 men squads as the points could be better spent elsewhere in the list.

another interesting choice is the contemptors, what is your goal with their loadout? I assume anti tank but if that is the case then why not equip them with with two las cannons instead for the extra fire power? I feel with contemptors you either commit them to shooting or melee

Lastly but what are you using for Anti-infantry? you have more than enough anti tank, but you lack quite a bit of anti infantry.
I'd recommend looking into whirlwind Scorpius or some plasma cannons or volkite somewhere. Don't forget that the Iron warrior Legion trait gives weapons shooting at vehicles and such +1 strength.

toxic imp Jul 9, 2022, 8:50 AM

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You can't master craft the weapon on the cataphractii praetor btw

mild mantle Jul 9, 2022, 9:32 AM

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sick trout Slots Upgrades Points 3000 Remaining 2 Current Points 2998 Rite of War ...

to clarify, what's the plan with the spartan? I assume it's dominators + praetor and champion?

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The dreadnoughts look to be very good, though I think that you should switch the contemptors up to be fist+melta and double-lascannon helical targetrer

winged quail Jul 9, 2022, 2:46 PM

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You don't really need the champion, ditch him for rhino's, fix the dreads double las + heletical, melta + fist on the other, grav in the melta dreads fist fist if u got any spare pts.

sick trout Jul 9, 2022, 4:35 PM

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My plan with the contemptors and the Levi is to run em all forwards together and hit things with brutal 3 fists

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I packed lascannon on the contemptors over melta bc I was worried abt range

steel atlas Jul 9, 2022, 4:36 PM

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Could potentially just go for a lascannon dread and a melta dread to specialize em

sick trout Jul 9, 2022, 4:37 PM

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Swapping the PF for grav mace is a good call

steel atlas Jul 9, 2022, 4:37 PM

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Park lascannon dread in the back with some homeboys to hold the backline, send melta dread up with the big block of 20

sick trout Jul 9, 2022, 4:37 PM

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I can’t take scorpius bc I’m out of HS slots

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Rip dominators

sick trout Jul 9, 2022, 4:57 PM

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I think having rhinos would solve a lot of my worries

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And having a plasma TSS in a rhino would also be excellent

golden nova Jul 9, 2022, 8:57 PM

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Doms aren't an elite choice?

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Nvm I see those two phrases are separate now

sick trout Jul 9, 2022, 10:08 PM

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Yeah if they could take the spartan as a DT that would be a lot easier

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But uh

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Spartans are for winners

rotund citrus Jul 9, 2022, 10:12 PM

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sick trout Spartans are for winners

I like that this phrase is catching on

sick trout Jul 9, 2022, 10:42 PM

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Honestly heavy volkites seem really good for IW

charred compass Jul 9, 2022, 11:15 PM

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I've been trying Volkite contemptors and they are quite good

sick trout Jul 10, 2022, 8:05 AM

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Would swapping out one of the contemptors for two scorpius be worth

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2D6 feels like a long way to scatter

rotund citrus Jul 10, 2022, 8:12 AM

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That's what Nuncio-voxes are for

plush pelican Jul 10, 2022, 8:16 AM

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sick trout I can’t take scorpius bc I’m out of HS slots

Can you add one by making it a group

sick trout Jul 10, 2022, 3:48 PM

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Rn I’m taking a spartan, a Levi and some siege tyrants

zealous topaz Jul 10, 2022, 4:14 PM

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yeah, no room for even havocs 😦

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shame ST's aren't elites

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got 4 whole slots there

sick trout Jul 10, 2022, 4:40 PM

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Yeah

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I guess it makes sense

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Mostly im bummed abt the spartan taking up the slot

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I guess I could take it on the siege tyrants

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But that’s sorta not useful either

cyan echo Jul 10, 2022, 6:28 PM

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zealous topaz yeah, no room for even havocs 😦

I don't think that Iron Havocs are that good anymore. A regular Heavy Support Squad will do as fine. Just let a techmarine with a signum join them

golden nova Jul 10, 2022, 8:39 PM

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cyan echo I don't think that Iron Havocs are that good anymore. A regular Heavy Support Sq...

Havocs with lascannons seems like a decent enough use, but any other weapon seems like HSS is the way to go.

sick trout Jul 10, 2022, 8:43 PM

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Still have no HS slot for either :/

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I’m packing the spartan cause i own one lol

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I think taking 4x10 shrapnel bolters with rhinos is probably better than my shrapnel pistol / bayonet plan

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But chain bayonets are super dope so idk I’ll p waste 40 points for a squad to take em

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If I switch to melta gun / bolter fist contemptors, I lose a lot of range but the dreads want to be close anyway

golden nova Jul 10, 2022, 9:03 PM

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Why pistol + bay? Bays are 2-hand iirc, so you wouldn't get a +1 for 2 ccw

sick trout Jul 10, 2022, 9:54 PM

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You can’t charge after shooting rapid fire

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So you can shoot the pistol twice at 10” then charge and get to stab with the bayonet

golden nova Jul 10, 2022, 11:27 PM

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Interesting, but does give your opponent the opportunity to make 2 reactions. Might try it out tho

sick trout Jul 11, 2022, 12:03 AM

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Chain bayonets just look so cool

cyan echo Jul 11, 2022, 4:42 AM

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I think they look stupid. Way to big for the little boltgun.

cyan echo Jul 11, 2022, 4:48 AM

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golden nova Havocs with lascannons seems like a decent enough use, but any other weapon seem...

I wonder if 50 points more is realky worth it. Maybe if your elite section is already full so that you can't tske a techmarine with a Signum but otherwise... maybe I am just salty what GW did to them and that EC Sunkillers are just straight up better 😒

winged quail Jul 11, 2022, 4:49 AM

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chain bayonets on 15+ man tacs for sure is fine IMO

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no shrapnels there tho

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better for rhino squads

winged quail Jul 11, 2022, 4:54 AM

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sick trout You can’t charge after shooting rapid fire

why spend 14 pts to do that when u can spend 12 to do it with a despoiler squad with a shrapnel pistol and chainsword with more attacks? You only need 1 pistol shot a dude to end up with a pin and u also get spite of the legion.

sick trout Jul 11, 2022, 4:57 AM

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i thought despoilers dont have fury so they dont double tap

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oh i see

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despoilers can take 2 pistols each

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but yeah despoilers do seem solid

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just march 20 of em forwards into the breach

golden nova Jul 11, 2022, 11:44 AM

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Nah we should all be salty about the sun killer rules

zealous topaz Jul 14, 2022, 10:09 AM

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I still feel that chain bayonets are a trap

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its TWICE THE COST of regular bayonets

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and your already forking out for shrapnel bolters else why are you even playing hammer of olympia

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it can make squads go very quickly from expensive to point sinks

rotund citrus Jul 14, 2022, 10:34 AM

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I'd agree with that - tac squads don't seem to get in melee often enough that it matters (although YMMV depending on opposition)

winged quail Jul 14, 2022, 10:43 AM

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tac blob on foot- take chain bayonets, tac squad in rhino/transport- take shrapnel bolts, easy as.

rotund citrus Jul 14, 2022, 1:21 PM

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Tbh shrapnel bolts are probably just better anyway

zealous topaz Jul 14, 2022, 1:37 PM

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winged quail tac blob on foot- take chain bayonets, tac squad in rhino/transport- take shrapn...

frankly, if your playing hammer of olympia and your tacticals DONT have shrapnel, you should be playing a different rite of war; you give up too much otherwise

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this is about the return you get for the rite, which this list is based on; I cannot recommend that people put melee weapons on squads when you could take more squads, and cannot recommend anything other than more shrapnel

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lets be honest here, 2 is a minimum, 3 is ideal, and 4 is great

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you want those bolt rounds hailing down

winged quail Jul 14, 2022, 1:38 PM

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I am going x30 tacs in rhino + x2 of 15 w/ chain bayonet in my HoA.

zealous topaz Jul 14, 2022, 1:39 PM

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and that's your choice, but its very suboptimal

winged quail Jul 14, 2022, 1:39 PM

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its very based actually.

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rhino offsets the range on shrapnels, I have x2 other screens for flanks

zealous topaz Jul 14, 2022, 1:40 PM

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the rhino is fine, your getting 3 shots on disembark rerolling 1's

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but the chain bayonets are expensive, you could easily pump those squads up to 20 with shrapnel if you drop them

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or add an apothecary

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always great for blobs

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worse those points could go into proper close combat troops; its the difference between a legion terminator squad and dominators

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or half a scorpius

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nearly half a dreadnought

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on paper that spend doesn't make sense is all I'm saying

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at the end of the day, tacticals are very weak WS4 troops, who are only good on objectives

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anything else will mulch them in melee and your chain bayonets won't pay off

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assuming you even use them in close combat I guess

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definitely looks cool however

winged quail Jul 14, 2022, 1:47 PM

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zealous topaz the rhino is fine, your getting 3 shots on disembark rerolling 1's

the tac setup dosn't make sense until u see the rest of the list #988593884433104966 message

zealous topaz Jul 14, 2022, 1:49 PM

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I still stand by what i said; you have 30 troops there that aren't making use of a whole extra bolt rerolling 1's, which I feel is potentially more effective than chain bayonets, which will struggle to hit anything that is serious about melee (WS5), and will be lost and not effective before they are used

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not to mention synergy with our legion reaction

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and as foot sloggers, that extra bolt at 18" is gonna help

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therefore, chain bayonets are a trap

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I will agree that they are a good melee option, especially if you get the charge off, but otherwise you have 1 attack at an average weapon skill, your rate of return on the upgrade is meh

winged quail Jul 14, 2022, 1:55 PM

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I think the chain bayonet has play to quickly tip the combat on a weaker unit, so you could be better off in melee than gunning them down then open to shooting from the opponent. Edge cases, but you never know.

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*weaker unit shot up

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basically could potentially take less dmg in melee vs opponents shooting mabye.

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again edge case but still.

zealous topaz Jul 14, 2022, 2:08 PM

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I think firepower at 18" with a rerolling hit is not an edge case at all

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especially not when its 15 extra shots vs +1S shred

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if you are charged, the value of the chainsword is really low... 1 attack

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you can happily sit back on an objective and shoot until they yield

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or have to come and get you

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also each of those shots means more likely to pin

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which also denies an enemy charging

winged quail Jul 14, 2022, 2:13 PM

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Is there anything that can charge despite being pinned?

sick trout Jul 14, 2022, 3:12 PM

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The problem is that

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I agree chain bayonets aren’t good

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But they’re literally so cool wtf

sick trout Jul 16, 2022, 8:34 AM

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Slots Upgrades
Points 3000
Remaining 0
Current Points 3000
Rite of War hammer of olympia

HQ 170
praetor base 120
Warsmith 20
Paragon blade 30

Cataphractii centurion        85
    siege breaker    45
    Grav mace    0

Elites 195
contemptor base 175
gravis melta 5
melta 15

Troops 165
10x shrapnel bolter tacs base 100
shrapnel bolters 20
vox 10
rhino 35

10x shrapnel bolter tacs    base    100
    shrapnel bolters    20
    vox    10
    rhino    35
        
recon squad    base    85
    5x sniper    50
    vox    10

Heavy Support 2030
5x siege terminators 300
+5 siege termies 275

leviathan    base    270
    melta lance    20
    phosphex    20
        
2x scorpius    base    120
    +1 scorpius    105
        
DA    465    
centurion    base    60
    paladin    30
        
tac squad    base    100
    rhino    35
    AA, power sword    20
        
inner circle    base    275
        
spartan    base    350
    flare shield    50

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aight here's another option

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swapping a contemptor for 2 scorpius, taking vox

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using an allied DA detachment to pack a spartan full of melee termies

zealous topaz Jul 16, 2022, 9:00 PM

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wait don't praetors have paragon blade by default

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oh shit they don't

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brain failure

sick trout Jul 16, 2022, 9:00 PM

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Lol

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Np

zealous topaz Jul 16, 2022, 9:01 PM

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for some reason I thought their wargear was all the nice praetor stuff by default

sick trout Jul 16, 2022, 9:01 PM

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Yeah

zealous topaz Jul 16, 2022, 9:01 PM

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but its just AA/Iron Halo that's included

sick trout Jul 16, 2022, 9:01 PM

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Yea

zealous topaz Jul 16, 2022, 9:02 PM

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I like that list

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I will say that it doesn't feel like its maximising Hammer, but it's certainly not bad at all

sick trout Jul 16, 2022, 9:02 PM

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Yeah

zealous topaz Jul 16, 2022, 9:03 PM

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could always consider another ROW I suppose

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but yeah nice*, double scorpius, levvie, recon, got some real nasty items in there

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melta temptor

sick trout Jul 16, 2022, 9:04 PM

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I was thinking abt ironfire

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Scorpius and Levi Phosphex are my only barrage tho

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The recon dudes seem like a great way to prevent HSS from fuckin with you

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And the spartan full of DA termies should be able to ride around bonking contemptors and enemy termies

zealous topaz Jul 16, 2022, 9:06 PM

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could consider ironfire to free up that warsmith upgrade yeah

sick trout Jul 16, 2022, 9:06 PM

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Warsmith is sorta useless but also very cool

sick trout Jul 16, 2022, 9:22 PM

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Honestly might cut the DA rhino and such and just take them naked

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That + Warsmith is 75 more pts

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Which is a rapier battery

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But if I’m not taking hammer then I’d prolly cut the shrapnel

zealous topaz Jul 17, 2022, 11:55 PM

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You have a lot of options, just need to settle on a narrative

sick trout Jul 18, 2022, 7:13 AM

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"imagine turning to chaos because your dad is a cunt"

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loyalist IW given MK 6 armor and sidelined hear of the heresy from loyalist DA sent to scour the traitor rear

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