#the iron warriorsemperors children conondrum, 2K point list situation, can i take the best of both?

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limpid jay
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so heres the deal i find myself in a pickle, i love the lore part of the emperors children, and particularly their color scheme, and i would like to play with their rules, but their rules lead me to a play style quite oposite of mine, wich mainly relies or artillery heavy vehicles and defensive gunlines to break the enemies teeth so that i can then send an armoured fist to counter

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is there a way that i can balace the two our? a way to make the emperors children behave like a defensive shooting army?

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inner axle
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Kakophoni? Don't really know 30k but from what I know

limpid jay
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arent those traitor locked?

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i kinda forgot to mention i play loyalist by default

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that dont mean i wont dip into traitor, but i would like to avoid allegiance locked units/ expensive forgeworld units best i can

dry shore
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Saul Tarvitz loyalist force. Maybe Maru Skara if you downplay the outflank or use it for stuff like grav. (mostly since it sounds like outflank isn't your goal)

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Saul has a lot of triggers that give a large Fearless bubble. Sunkillers are good, hopefully we see their 2.0 tweaks soon. And you can reserve some dreads, terminators, or anything capable of punching armor. Or even take a cheapo FA slot to ignore in reserve for the +1 speed.

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3rd Company Elite is traitor locked but doesn't actually require any Kakophoni to run. You only have to give surgical attachments to every infantry and cavalry unit you field. So you could do that RoW, load up on Sunkillers, Breachers, Cataphractii, etc., and give them whatever extra wargear suits them best.

limpid jay
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i see

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not really on board with using named characters

dry shore
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Fair enough. A Delgatus with Stoic Defender would also work for it I think, especially if you're shoving points into heavier guns at 2k.

limpid jay
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well. so far i have a full laser spartan 4 units or 2 unitts of 10/20 tacticals with nuncio vexila and chainbayonets, a siegebreaker, and a praetor

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didt think much when converting the big chungus praetor into a siege breaker, i just dont like his rancid SOH vibes

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and a siege breaker its the only yhing that made sense to me to turn him into

dry shore
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Yeah that's fair. It works out too, cause Rapiers are always an option.

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The +1 to hit for vehicle reactions could benefit some bait vehicles if you're aiming for a more shooty line with melee cleanup. Melta pintles and volkite sponsons.

limpid jay
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i would need to convert something into rapiers, though no idea out of what i can make rapiers

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i really need to think it up

dry shore
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Kataphron Breacher tracks from AdMech look about the right size to create a gun carriage with. You could probably use leftover heavy weapons to create the gun itself.

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And there's always 3rd party or printed bits. Not sure if you're playing in a GW shop or how particular your scene is regarding those options.

limpid jay
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i play on stalia, wich its a local gameshop

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so 3d its a no go, but conversions are okey

limpid jay
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after reading the rite of war , at least the maru sakara one im definetly not into it, not digging the idea of flaking and whatnot

grand dock
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The sun killers and kakophoni are both able to be used defensively

limpid jay
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tbh im now more gracitating to legion agnostic rites

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i dont plant on running traitors

dry shore
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We have at least one person who plans to abandon a 35pt speeder in reserve for Maru Skara sp the rest of the army gets a +1 Movement all game, that's always an option. Otherwise it sounds like you're between Pride of the Legion, Fury of the Ancients, Armored Spearhead, and not picking a Rite. Everything else has some reserve units or focuses on lighter faster units.

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I think an EC Armored Spearhead would be interesting and the Reaction shooting buff would help.

grand dock
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They messed up the old armored RoW so now you're forced to take a tank hq

limpid jay
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i mean, that dont seem much of a problem to me

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but the having to put everyone in a rhine does make it a problem

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i cant afford that many rhinos

grand dock
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😂

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but needing transports for every infantry squad was always part of the Row

limpid jay
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fair enough, but even so, i think i will so far stay without a rite of war

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its not like im gainin g or loosing much to make me take it in the end

dry shore
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Yeah with your parameters you either end up going with no RoW, go with one you ignore half of, or pick a different legion unfortunately.