Iron Warriors - HH2.0 - 2k Ironfire first list help | HH: Age of Darkness | Page 1

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 6:38 AM

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So Ive been putting together a list for Iron Warriors focusing on lots of artillery, and I wanted to get some thoughts. Ive never played HH before so this is a first attempt and I havent committed to any models. Dont want anything too broken or unfun, most of the games of warhammer I play are pretty narrative over competition.

---HQ---
Warsmith Praetor in Cataphractii Armour - 180
Combi-plasma, Chainfist

Siegebreaker Centurion in Cataphractii Armour - 155
Combi-plasma, Thunder Hammer

---ELITES---
2x Rapier Batteries - 170
Quad Launchers, Phosphex Canisters

2x Rapier Batteries - 130
Quad Launchers, Incendiary Shells

2x Rapier Batteries - 130
Laser Destroyers

---TROOPS---
10x Tactical Squad - 120
Artificer Armour, Vexilla

10x Tactical Squad - 120
Artificer Armour, Vexilla

10x Breacher Team - 205
Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, 2 Melta Guns

5x Recon Squad - 130
Nuncio Vox
Rhino

---HEAVY SUPPORT---
5x Siege Tyrant Terminators - 300

2x Legion Scorpius - 230
Searchlight
1x Legion Scorpius - 125
Searchlight

ARMY TOTAL 1,995

The idea behind the army is to stay defensive with the breachers and the tyrants to deter any infiltrators and deep striking, with the phosphex helping on the defence. Recon squad infiltrates forwards to get the within 12" of a unit turn 1, so I can fire some precision shots with the socrpius. Remaining tacticals are there for reserve and pushing mid field objectives with incendiary support artillery.

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 6:42 AM

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Honestly I think the tyrants do such a number on deep strikers that it’s not an issue

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I like the recon squad, but I think you’d be better off putting the breachers in the rhino

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You also get stubborn on your tac squads while they’re near ironfire blasts, so I’m not sold on vexilla

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 6:43 AM

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Ah thats true, I forgot about the stubborn part

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 6:43 AM

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Walk me through the thinking behind the laser destroyers and incendiary

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Rather than just More Phosphex

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 6:44 AM

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The incendiary was just a cheap option for some added pinning, which everyone seems to be raving about at the moment. On top of that I heard rumor's from last edition at least that phosphex was a little cheesy so I wanted to avoid it in case.

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The laser destroyers were there to fill some anti tank. IM not sure the tyrants could hold their own against 2+ spartans

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 6:46 AM

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fierce burrow I like the recon squad, but I think you’d be better off putting the breachers in...

Also the main reason I wanted the recon squad in the rhino is for that 12" redeploy in case I get counter infiltrated. But I might be playing a bit too much 5d chess for that to be a worthwhile consideration

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 6:51 AM

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Yeah, 5 tyrants def suffer vs 2 Spartans

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But that’s also 700-800 pts

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 6:51 AM

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Thats true

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 6:51 AM

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I think the 5D chess play vs your rhino’d recon marines is to kill them and rush your own rhino boys to the middle

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So now I have a boys in the center while u waddle forwards

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 6:52 AM

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Fair point

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 6:52 AM

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And you don’t get the bonus to ur shelling until they get within 12

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Pinning is very good

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We don’t get any bonuses to dreads, but a lascannon dread is a pretty good price for relentless lascannons

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And also provides a good answer to terminators walking forwards

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 6:55 AM

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Id have to cut some units to make it fit. Do you reckon lose the laser destroyers, and one of the scorpius to add the lascannon dread?

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 7:11 AM

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I’m not sure - swapping lascannons for lascannons is pretty clear, but the scorpius fills a bit of a different role

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That’s probably where I’d go though

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Remember, killing a rapier is killing 2 tac marines

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 7:12 AM

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Very true

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Guess theyre a bit too squishy

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 7:28 AM

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They’re great hidden behind a building

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Idk I like the arquitor it’s a lot more mobile and hits a little harder

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It’s also twice the price but

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 7:33 AM

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Arquitors are pretty pricy tho. 200 points for the base varient right?

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 7:34 AM

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Yup

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 7:35 AM

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Not sure how Id fit it in without dropping line troops

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 7:36 AM

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Yeah

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 7:36 AM

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Would it be worth? I was kind of just guessing that 4 scoring units was enough for 2k points

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---HQ---
Warsmith Praetor in Cataphractii Armour - 170
Chainfist

Siegebreaker Centurion in Cataphractii Armour - 145
Thunder Hammer

---ELITES---
2x Rapier Batteries - 170
Quad Launchers, Phosphex Canisters

Contemptor Dreadnaught - 215
2 Gravis Lascannons

---TROOPS---
10x Tactical Squad - 110
Artificer Armour

10x Breacher Team - 240
Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, 2 Melta Guns
Rhino

5x Recon Squad - 95
Nuncio Vox

Legion Arquitor - 200

---HEAVY SUPPORT---
5x Siege Tyrant Terminators - 300

2x Legion Scorpius - 230
Searchlight
1x Legion Scorpius - 125
Searchlight

ARMY TOTAL 2,000

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 3:21 PM

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Remember that the arquitor has to pay for Phosphex

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But this is pretty much what I’m planning

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 5:59 PM

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Aight so double Las <<<< Las + haywire fist

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3 scorpius + arquitor + 2 rapiers maaaaybe too much arty

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 11:12 PM

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I forgot about haywire graviton guns. Thats probably a smart move for the auto wounds

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 11:17 PM

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Graviton maces are kinda neat

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Replace a power sword, you wound on 2+ and ur still S user AP3 in melee vs dudes

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 11:21 PM

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I might replace the thunder hammer on the siegebreaker with a Graviton Crusher, but I am a big fan of the power fist on my praetor just for some modelling ideas I have

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But I think I might replace one of the dreads lascannons with the graviton maul w/ graviton gun

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That sounds awesome

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 11:22 PM

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fierce burrow 3 scorpius + arquitor + 2 rapiers maaaaybe too much arty

I think it would be reasonable to cut one of the larger pieces. Between the Arquitor and the Scorpius which should I cut? Im thinking scorpius to fit another HS slot in, not sure what to put in there tho

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 11:24 PM

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Honestly kinda torn

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Which of these things do you own?

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 11:25 PM

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Neither haha

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 11:25 PM

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If the Medusa comes back that also is a biiiig consideration

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Yeah lol

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 11:25 PM

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I dont have any models yet, so no list building requirements

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 11:25 PM

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Right

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 11:25 PM

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fierce burrow If the Medusa comes back that also is a biiiig consideration

Man I miss the medusa

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 11:25 PM

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It seems cool as fuck

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 11:26 PM

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I would absolutely drop one of those in when the rules come out

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I think it might be getting a big nerf tho looking at how demo cannons were dealt with

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 11:26 PM

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Yeah

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No more AP3 big blasts

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That’s why I really like Phosphex

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 11:26 PM

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Thats fair

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Phosphex looks very strong

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Especially in Ironfire. If you have eyes on target, phosphex doesnt miss

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 11:27 PM

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Yeah

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Splinter shells kinda interesting, but you also have hella shrapnel for that

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 11:28 PM

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Yeah Im torn between what rout to take with my pinning. The scorpius already carry a lot of that weight

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But if I drop one I should probably add in another option

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Like the shrapnel bolters

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 11:28 PM

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I think you probably want to have 3 templates a turn on turn 3-4

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Dropping one scorpius gives u an extra HSS

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And more bayonets

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Scorpius + shrapnel bolters is probably enough pinning

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 11:30 PM

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I didnt even consider bayonets. My thinking was that if my opponent makes it through all the pinning into combat, then I fucked up somewhere

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 11:31 PM

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fierce burrow Scorpius + shrapnel bolters is probably enough pinning

Very true

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 11:33 PM

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My thinking is that IW want to be charging into the breach

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 11:35 PM

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Okay heres a question then. What about swapping the recon marines for assault marines. Fill the same roll in regards to getting t1 ironfire off (run them 18") and they can do some assaulting against units that have been pinned by the arty

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Then swap out the breachers for more tacticals with shrapnel ammo

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 11:36 PM

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You do get the heavy rerolls on everything

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I’m not sure about assault marines

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 11:49 PM

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Okay so I had a look at that other guys list, and Ive modified my one a bit to follow some similar ideas. Had to tone it down a bit because he was running like 2,800 points, so I needed to cut some shit down

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Didnt want to post it in his chat, but this is new list idea

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---HQ---
Warsmith Praetor in Cataphractii Armour - 170
Chainfist

Siegebreaker Centurion in Cataphractii Armour - 145
Thunder Hammer

---ELITES---
2x Rapier Batteries - 170
Quad Launchers, Phosphex Canisters

1x Rapier Batteries - 170
Quad Launchers, Phosphex Canisters

Contemptor Dreadnaught - 225
Gravis Lascannon, Graviton maul with Graviton Gun

---TROOPS---
15x Tactical Squad - 200
Artificer Armour, Nuncio Vox, Shrapnel Bolters

15x Tactical Squad - 200
Artificer Armour, Nuncio Vox, Shrapnel Bolters

---HEAVY SUPPORT---
5x Siege Tyrant Terminators - 300
Legion Scorpius - 120
Medusa - 155

ARMY TOTAL 1970

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Ive got 30 points to play around with if loadouts need to change

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didnt think I needed the extra pinning with the splinter rapiers, because the scorpius and bolters have so much already. However I think I could probably be convinced otherwise

fierce burrow Jun 22, 2022, 11:56 PM

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Yeah I like this a lot

cobalt osprey Jun 22, 2022, 11:58 PM

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Perfect. Im also a fan

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Hopefully if the medusa changes, it remains a decent AT arty option

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Thanks a lot for the help tho man

fierce burrow Jun 23, 2022, 4:01 AM

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Honestly I think arty is a really feels bad thing to be on the other end of so I’m not surprised if they make it not great

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But it’s cool af and im gonna do it anyway

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