Starting into 30K, Alpha Legion CotH at 1500 | HH: Age of Darkness | Page 1

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 4:00 AM

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Hey y’all! I started off writing a NL Terror Assault list, but after reading the Black Books, totally just switched over to AL…but keeping the aggression of a TA list. This is to start out. I wrote lists written at 500 point intervals. Any C&C appreciated and welcome.

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Praetor, Legion [215pts]: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Jump Pack, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade, Power Dagger, Venom Spheres, Warlord

Elites: +

The Rewards of Treason [260pts]
. Dawnbreaker Cohort: 4x Dawnbreaker Legionary, 4x Fallen-star Pattern Power Spear, Melta Bombs
. . Dawnbreaker Champion: Blade of Perdition, Power Dagger

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Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [225pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Dozer Blade
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Power Dagger, Power Fist

Fast Attack: +

Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron, Legion [65pts]
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Heavy Bolter, Twin-linked Lascannon

Heavy Support: +

Sicaran Arcus Strike Tank [220pts]: Arcus Warheads, Hull-mounted Heavy Bolter, Skyspear Warheads

frigid vector Mar 20, 2022, 4:03 AM

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Grab multi-meltas on the Javelins and put them in a single squadron. The Blade of Perdition is, I believe, two-handed and thus there's no extra attack from the dagger.

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 4:05 AM

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Thanks! I will adjust for that.

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I think I’ll switch the Blade of Perdition for Equinox Power Blade Case. It’ll also give me points for the MM’s on the Javs.

tall pollen Mar 20, 2022, 4:37 AM

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Fast and scary, although I think it'll suffer against terminators and the like

frigid vector Mar 20, 2022, 4:39 AM

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At 1500 it should have no problems with Terminators - the dawnbreakers are AP2 at initiative.

tall pollen Mar 20, 2022, 4:40 AM

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Ohhhh
I misread it as starting 3k list

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No never mind that's pretty darn good

frigid vector Mar 20, 2022, 4:41 AM

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Triple nuncio vox seems a bit much, though.
I think it'd be better to drop that instead of the Blade of Perdition.

tall pollen Mar 20, 2022, 4:41 AM

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Yes considering you only need 2 rerolls at most

frigid vector Mar 20, 2022, 4:42 AM

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Rerolls?

They give no scatter for deep strike within 12" and can draw LoS for barrage.

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There's no barrage in this list and only one deep striking unit.

tall pollen Mar 20, 2022, 4:44 AM

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Oh just straight no scatter
Can they not work with arcus? I haven't used it I imagine it's blast weapon

frigid vector Mar 20, 2022, 4:47 AM

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It's not.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 12:12 PM

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I wonder if you're going to struggle to hold objectives. 5 Dawnbreakers is maybe a bit light and prone to getting shot to pieces before they do much

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I usually only put the bare minimum on rhinos because they usually just exist to ferry the tacticals up the board slightly more protected

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Also worth noting, IIRC the nuncios need to have been on the board for the full movement for you to get the effect.

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 12:18 PM

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Thanks y’all!

I can see the reasoning for dropping two voxes. I’ll adjust the list.

At 2000, I’m adding a third speeder, and Lernean Terminators in a Phobos
At 2500, adding Alpharius
At 3000, adding a second contingent of Learneans in a Phobos (threat saturation)

@hallow jetty, thanks. I get that. I’m using three tacticals in rhinos (only 10 models would fit). Do you have any suggestions about the Dawnbringers? Or should I switch them with the Lovotarus?

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 12:20 PM

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My experience against Blood Angels is that they're very dependent on Sanguinius to complete their force

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he does so much for the army

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 12:22 PM

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I can see that. Sire of the BA is pretty powerful combined with the Dawnbringers.

What about the Locotarus?

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Nvm, Dawnbringers are still better. AP3 vs AP2, plus option of blade of perdition.

What about Golden Keshig?

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 12:43 PM

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Those would give you a bit higher toughness and speed, and they're less reliant on the Khan or their legion trait to work

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 12:49 PM

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Okie dokie. Let me play with the list. I’ll repost here in a few minutes.

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Praetor, Legion [245pts]: Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade, Power Dagger, Venom Spheres, Volkite Serpenta, Warlord
. Scimitar Jetbike with Heavy Bolter, Legion: Heavy Bolter

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The Rewards of Treason [220pts]
. Golden Keshig, The: 2x Golden Keshig Rider, Melta Bombs, Power Axe
. . Golden Keshig Champion: Power Dagger
. . . Power Weapon: Power Axe

Troops: +

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [225pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Dozer Blade
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Power Dagger, Power Fist

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [215pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Dozer Blade
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Power Dagger, Power Fist

Fast Attack: +

Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron, Legion [150pts]
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon

Heavy Support: +

Sicaran Arcus Strike Tank [220pts]: Arcus Warheads, Hull-mounted Heavy Bolter, Skyspear Warheads

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 1:21 PM

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Here’s a variant using Dark Furies…

HQ: +

Praetor, Legion [220pts]: Artificer Armour, Digital Lasers, Iron Halo, Jump Pack, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Melta Bombs, Paragon Blade, Power Dagger, Venom Spheres, Volkite Serpenta, Warlord

Elites: +

The Rewards of Treason [245pts]
. Dark Fury Assault Squad: 6x Dark Fury, Melta Bombs, Power Dagger

Troops: +

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [225pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Dozer Blade
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Power Dagger, Power Fist

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [215pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Dozer Blade
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Power Dagger, Power Fist

Fast Attack: +

Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron, Legion [150pts]
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon

Heavy Support: +

Sicaran Arcus Strike Tank [220pts]: Arcus Warheads, Hull-mounted Heavy Bolter, Skyspear Warheads

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 2:38 PM

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Power axes aren't specialist weapons so the power dagger isn't particularly useful on the keshig

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 2:52 PM

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I’m concerned that the Keshig’s low numbers will mean they’ll get trapped by teq’s.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 3:00 PM

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Hit and Run

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 3:01 PM

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I’m having a derp moment here. Praetor will also have hit-and-run, right?

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 3:03 PM

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I don't recall whether that one transfers from squads to ICs

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 3:05 PM

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It applies the opposite direction.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 3:10 PM

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hm

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I can show you a 2.5k list I made a while back

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 3:17 PM

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Sure. Always appreciate seeing other’s ideas.

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Hmmm….
What about 2 Deathshrouds in a Phobos?

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 3:33 PM

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HQ: +

Armillus Dynat
. Jealous Command: Warlord

Warmonger: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Melta Bombs, On Foot, Power Dagger, Thunder Hammer
. Combi-weapon: Combi-weapon: Meltagun
. Consul
. . Warmonger

Elites: +

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought: Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon x 2

The Rewards of Treason
. Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad: 4x Tyrant Terminator
. . Tyrant Siege Master: Power Dagger

Troops: +

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory): Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Vexilla, Legion
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Power Dagger, Power Fist

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory): Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Vexilla, Legion
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Hunter-killer Missile
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Power Dagger, Power Fist

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Fast Attack: +

Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron, Legion
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: 2x Hunter-killer Missile, Multi-melta, Twin-linked Cyclone missile launcher

Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron, Legion: 6x Heavy Bolter, 2x Multi-melta, 8x Space Marine Sky Hunters
. Standard Wargear
. . Chainsword or Combat Blade: Chainswords/Combat Blades
. Upgrade One Model to a Sky Hunter Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Dagger, Power Fist

Heavy Support: +

Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon
. Leviathan Siege Dreadnought: Cyclonic Melta Lance, Grav-flux Bombard, Heavy Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Phosphex Discharger

Sicaran Arcus Strike Tank: Arcus Warheads, Hull-mounted Heavy Bolter, Skyspear Warheads

Allegiance +

Legion and Allegiance: Traitor

Rite of War: The Coils of the Hydra

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The name of the game here is redundancy and a high number of threats

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The list is built so that I can pick another rule other than Infiltrate if I want to, while also having a high degree of mobility and threats that need to be answered.

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Though let's be honest, Infiltrate is the best option like 90% of the time.

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 3:53 PM

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Don’t you need transport for all infantry (unless Infiltrating)?

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It’s a beautiful list, btw

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 3:54 PM

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Or deep strike

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Armillus gives one unit deep strike, and Warmonger gives whatever unit he joins deep strike

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 3:54 PM

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The Warmonger can deepstrike! That’s what I was missing.

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With Armilius, I can use some kind of elite teq.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 3:55 PM

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it requires a dialogue before the game about how it works, but since most people are fine with people taking Infiltrate to satisfy the rite's requirements they usually allow it.

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A previous incarnation of this list used a tac support list with meltaguns, but I switched that out for another javelin

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 3:57 PM

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I’m playing with the list. Hammerstrike is dangerous.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 3:59 PM

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This is a list that wants to be aggressive and in the opponent's deployment, preferably shocking them with how quick and potent it can be.

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And with the rite you're messing with the opponent's reserve rolls while making yours better

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 4:01 PM

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Yeah! That’s awesome! Thanks.

Deepstriking Justerein?

Yeah, that’s why I wrote Alpharius into the 2500 point list.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 4:02 PM

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I'm not convinced on Justaerin personally, but playing around and trying stuff is good

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How I approach the game and list building isn't necessarily how you want to do it

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 4:05 PM

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Oh, it’s all good. Less points to use on transport, is more points for other options.

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Now, I’m considering Suzerein.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 4:09 PM

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Another really good option

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 4:13 PM

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I can squeeze in 8 suzereins at 1500.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 4:15 PM

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Fulmentarus terminators are also an option

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 4:22 PM

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Yeah, but aren’t the tyrants better?

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I’m reconsidering Alpharius for 2500. Maybe a trio of cortus double gravitons ccw? Or a leviathan? Or maybe even a typhon?

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 4:40 PM

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Whether to include Alpharius or not is a hard question, he does so much for the army while he's on the board

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but he also costs a lot of points and requires someone to protect him

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 4:43 PM

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He also has to be the warlord, right?

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Does he supersede the warlord trait of armelius?

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If anything, I can stick him in the 10 man squad of Suzerains or the Learneans

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 7:00 PM

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Alpharius does supersede Armilius.

At 2500 I will be providing transport for the Lerneans (Spartan) in preparation for 3000 where Alpharius gets added to the list.

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 10:49 PM

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New list at 1500

HQ: +

Armillus Dynat [200pts]
. Jealous Command: Warlord

Elites: +

The Rewards of Treason [275pts]
. Invictarus Suzerain Squad: 8x Invictarus Suzerains

Troops: +

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [225pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Dozer Blade
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Power Dagger, Power Fist

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [215pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Dozer Blade
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Power Dagger, Power Fist

Fast Attack: +

Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron, Legion [150pts]
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon

Heavy Support: +

Sicaran Arcus Strike Tank [220pts]: Arcus Warheads, Hull-mounted Heavy Bolter, Skyspear Warheads

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:01 PM

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personally not that big a fan of named characters at low point levels, but if it works for you then go for it.

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There are a lot worse characters to run than Armillus

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What's your game plan?

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:09 PM

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Hit fast, hit hard.

MT depends on opponent
Tacs advance into positions backed up by SAS
Javs enter to pop vehicles where necessary
AD ds with ISS

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:10 PM

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MT?

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:10 PM

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Mutable tactics

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:10 PM

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Ah

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I can tell you right now though, 90% of the time the correct choice is Infiltrate.

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:10 PM

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General purpose would be infiltrate

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It’s just too good

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Plus very AL appropriate

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:12 PM

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You could make an argument for Scout, or Tank Hunter depending on matchup

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:13 PM

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Especially against IH?

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:13 PM

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but counterattack doesn't provide a sizable enough benefit since your guys are probably already dead before you can swing

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Move through Cover is less of a thing since you can spend less time moving due to Infiltrate

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:13 PM

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Or even some DA builds.

Haha, I know, right?

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:14 PM

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Adamantium Will doesn't protect you as much as you might think

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:14 PM

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Eh. I haven’t seen anyone play TS very well, yet.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:15 PM

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Oh, neither have I

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but they're definitely out there

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just biding their time to come back out of hiding

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:16 PM

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I look forward to seeing a good match up.

frigid vector Mar 20, 2022, 11:17 PM

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The good powers are blessings, which adamantium will doesn't help you with.

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The only real choices are Infiltrate and Tank Hunters.

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:18 PM

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Oh? Ok so buffs. That’s good info there.

Yeah. I hear that.

When I get home, I’ll post the 2000 transition.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:19 PM

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Even the nerfed Invisibility is really strong

frigid vector Mar 20, 2022, 11:20 PM

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Wait a second, this list doesn't have any transports for the Suzerains.

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You'll need one.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:21 PM

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Unless your opponent's being a hardass, it'll be good enough to give them Infiltrate via mutable tactics

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or y'know, deepstrike from Armillus

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:21 PM

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Yup. Armellius’ WT lets him confer deepstrike to a infantry that, if it doesn’t have one already.

frigid vector Mar 20, 2022, 11:21 PM

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Ah, I see what the idea is.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:21 PM

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I think most people are okay with that.

frigid vector Mar 20, 2022, 11:21 PM

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Yeah, RAW it doesn't work, but RAI I'd give you it.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:22 PM

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That's why I always say to discuss with the opponent first, to clear that one.

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:22 PM

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Yup

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:22 PM

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Emails to Forgeworld confirms it but it's always good to have a discussion about it.

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:23 PM

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Yup.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:24 PM

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"Hey, I want to run Coils of the Hydra as letting me do it with the legion's ability to give every infantry Infiltrate, is that cool?"

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:25 PM

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Sorry. Trying to find a parking spot.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:25 PM

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Don't worry about it. Meatspace has to come first.

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:28 PM

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True enough. Getting dinner.

So, does the list construction come prior to Warlord Traits?

If that’s the case, I’d rather rewrite the list so that anyone I play (even if they’re being a hard) won’t have anything to say.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:31 PM

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Named characters usually have a locked in warlord trait

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Armillus' one is giving a unit a rerollable deepstrike

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:31 PM

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That was a derpy question… let’s try that again…

Do I declare the Rite of War before I declare the Warlord Trait?

Ie…
I’m using Armellius as my warlord (conferring his Warlord Trait) and as the Master of the Legion, I am using the CotH

frigid vector Mar 20, 2022, 11:32 PM

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Since you choose warlord traits at the table, technically you build the list first.

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:33 PM

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He’s a named character. Does that matter?

frigid vector Mar 20, 2022, 11:39 PM

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No.

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I don't think anyone's honestly going to care. I'd just get them a Land Raider so they don't have to spend a turn in the open.

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:40 PM

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I’ll see about finding points for a Phobos

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:43 PM

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It'd probably cost you the sicaran

frigid vector Mar 20, 2022, 11:43 PM

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I'd just drop a tac squad.

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:44 PM

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I can’t drop a tac squad. CotH requires an extra compulsory troop.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:45 PM

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Rites can be kind of a trap at low point levels

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:45 PM

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Ok, let me work on the sicaran.

Although I want that stable anti air platform.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:45 PM

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but you don't pick Alpha Legion to not screw with your opponent

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:45 PM

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Exactly.

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Cann the Javs be sufficient anti air threat?

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:46 PM

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If you're running into aircraft at 1500 points, I'd say ditch playing those people.

frigid vector Mar 20, 2022, 11:47 PM

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^

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:47 PM

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that screams WAACnard

frigid vector Mar 20, 2022, 11:47 PM

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An aircraft is, keep in mind, 235+pts as well.

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:48 PM

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This is true. And it can only come in on turn 2 or later and it's movement is a lot more limited.

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And you screw with reserve rolls when you go with Coils

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:48 PM

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Yeah…
I saw their effect on tables. When you’re playing without them, you don’t miss them…
But you encounter one that blows big holes in your lines and you definitely take notice.

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The list looks like…

HQ: +

Armillus Dynat [200pts]
. Jealous Command: Warlord

Elites: +

The Rewards of Treason [495pts]
. Invictarus Suzerain Squad: 7x Invictarus Suzerains
. . Land Raider Phobos (DT): Armoured Ceramite, Hull-Mounted Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter, 2x Twin-linked Lascannon Sponsons

Troops: +

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [225pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Dozer Blade
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Power Dagger, Power Fist

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [215pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Dozer Blade
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Power Dagger, Power Fist

Fast Attack: +

Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron, Legion [150pts]
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:50 PM

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If aircrafts concern you, bring a contemptor-mortis with double kheres autocannons and put them somewhere with good lines of sight

frigid vector Mar 20, 2022, 11:51 PM

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proven schooner The list looks like… + HQ: + Armillus Dynat [200pts] . Jealous Command: Warlord...

Looks good to me.

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:53 PM

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Armellius also has buffs for anti-armor, right?

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:55 PM

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If the source of it is coming from the enemy deployment zone, yes

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so you have to get up in there

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:57 PM

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Dumb question …
I can outflank/deepstrike the javs
Can I deepstrike the Phobos?

frigid vector Mar 20, 2022, 11:58 PM

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What's the wording on Dynat's ability?

proven schooner Mar 20, 2022, 11:59 PM

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I don’t have my book in front of me. One sec

hallow jetty Mar 20, 2022, 11:59 PM

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I think it says infantry

proven schooner Mar 21, 2022, 12:03 AM

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From Goonhammer…

Dynat then is a Master of the Legion and has the Hammerstrike Assault Warlord Trait, giving a unit Deep Strike for free, with a re-roll on the scatter; really nice and flexible!

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Sorry, y’all. I’ll look it up as soon as I get home.

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My train of thinking is that the Phobos is the dedicated transport for the suzerain. Does conferring them deepstrike also confer the same to their dt?

hallow jetty Mar 21, 2022, 12:09 AM

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Goonhammer misses important nuances at times

proven schooner Mar 21, 2022, 12:19 AM

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I also just realized that Tank Hunters is doubly effective with the Harrowing.

hallow jetty Mar 21, 2022, 12:20 AM

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Ye

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But I would need to check the deep strike rule and see whether it transfers to transports

proven schooner Mar 21, 2022, 12:24 AM

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I just checked the rule book…
No. Units do not confer the deep strike rule unto a transport vehicle they are embarked inside.

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Back to the drawing board.

hallow jetty Mar 21, 2022, 12:26 AM

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Infiltrate transfers IIRC

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And infiltrate turns into Outflank once the game starts

proven schooner Mar 21, 2022, 12:28 AM

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Right.

So I can outflank the Phobos (like Raven Guard)

hallow jetty Mar 21, 2022, 12:28 AM

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Right

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Just remember, no charging when you come from reserves or disembark, unless the vehicle has assault vehicle or whatever it's called

proven schooner Mar 21, 2022, 12:31 AM

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Yeah…I seem to remember that.

Is that under the assault phase rules?

hallow jetty Mar 21, 2022, 12:37 AM

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I think it's a rule on the spartan in 30k

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Land raiders have it in 40k but not 30k

proven schooner Mar 21, 2022, 12:41 AM

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The Phobos has the Assault Vehicle rule.

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You can even purchase the Frag Assault Launcher upgrade for it.

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That’s nasty.

proven schooner Mar 21, 2022, 1:10 AM

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At 2000

HQ: +

Armillus Dynat [200pts]
. Jealous Command: Warlord

Warmonger [140pts]: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter, On Foot
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour
. Consul
. . Warmonger

Elites: +

Lernaean Terminator Squad [280pts]
. Harrower: Chainfist, Master-crafted weapon, Power Dagger, Venom Sphere Harness, Volkite Charger
. Lernaean Terminator: Chainfist, Volkite Charger
. Lernaean Terminator: Chainfist, Volkite Charger
. Lernaean Terminator: Power Axe, Volkite Charger
. Lernaean Terminator: Power Axe, Volkite Charger

The Rewards of Treason [555pts]
. Invictarus Suzerain Squad: 9x Invictarus Suzerains
. . Land Raider Phobos (DT): Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Extra Armour, Hull-Mounted Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter, 2x Twin-linked Lascannon Sponsons

Troops: +

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [225pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Dozer Blade
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Power Dagger, Power Fist

Fast Attack: +

Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron, Legion [150pts]
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon

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2500

HQ:
Armillus Dynat [200pts] Warlord

Warmonger [145pts]: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter, On Foot, Power Dagger
Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour
Warmonger

Elites:
Lernaean Terminator Squad [705pts]
Harrower: Chainfist, Master-crafted weapon, Power Dagger, Venom Sphere Harness, Volkite Charger
. Lernaean Terminator: Chainfist, Volkite Charger x2
Lernaean Terminator: Power Axe, Volkite Charger x3
. Spartan Assault Tank (DT): Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield, Frag Assault Launchers, Quad Lascannon Sponsons x2, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter

The Rewards of Treason [550pts]
. Invictarus Suzerain Squad: 9x Invictarus Suzerains
. . Land Raider Phobos (DT): Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Hull-Mounted Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter, 2x Twin-linked Lascannon Sponsons

Troops: +

Tactical Squad, Legion (Compulsory) [225pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Dozer Blade
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Power Dagger, Power Fist

Fast Attack: +

Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron, Legion [225pts]
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon
. Javelin Attack Speeder, Legion: Multi-melta, Twin-linked Lascannon

spiral ginkgo Mar 23, 2022, 11:04 AM

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I whould suggest splitting the javelins into single units dor more flexibility no reason to have one big squad when you don't use the fast attack slots

proven schooner Mar 23, 2022, 11:52 AM

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Thanks for the input, but what’s the benefit of having the Javs as multiple units rather than just one?

spiral ginkgo Mar 23, 2022, 12:12 PM

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You can split your fire and the cance of overkill is reduced
When they come in from reserve you can place them seperately and it isn't all or nothing
If they get shot you will only lose one at a time (only relevant, when the opponent has a lot of shots on one unit)

proven schooner Mar 23, 2022, 4:18 PM

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Gotcha.
Adjusting the lists.

#Starting into 30K, Alpha Legion CotH at 1500