3CE with Sun Killers ft. the party shack | HH: Age of Darkness | Page 1

echo abyss Mar 17, 2022, 9:20 PM

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Tweaked my old list to remove the knight and work a unit of Sun Killers in. Open to any suggestions!

praetor on outrider with the works
command squad on outriders (3 with power axes & shields, 2 with just power swords), with augury apothecary on bike.
9 kakophoni & augury apothecary (rhino)
9 kakophoni & augury apothecary (rhino)
cortus contemptor 2x grav fists (1 chainfist)
cortus contemptor 2x grav fists (1 chainfist)
3 javelins (missiles & MM)
Kraken Lightning
Predator executioner (machine spirit, plasma & HK, no sponsons)
and the famous Sun Killers in their party bunker (ammo, void, comms)

I think the comms bunker allows me to reserve the javelins, lightning, and predator all with a bit more confidence. Will plan on setting it up as far back as possible with sight lanes while the relentless rhino kakophoni zoom towards targets/objectives/cover. the pair of contemptors more or less slot in for the knight lancer marching up the middle. Turn 2 the lightning and javelins bust open some armour and the executioner and kakophoni mop up. dreads probably die by this point with hopes that the command squad can go hunting to set up a praetor duel for epic glory.

stuck nest Mar 17, 2022, 9:21 PM

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echo abyss Mar 17, 2022, 9:23 PM

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thanks!

grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 9:24 PM

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Bunkers can only take two enhancements, no?

red trench Mar 17, 2022, 9:25 PM

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Honestly the list seems pretty decent, though depending on the board you play on your ROI for the Sunkillers will vary greatly. As for the augury scanner on the command squad apoth...cheap infiltrator protection? 7 TL Boltguns isn't really an Interceptor threat

echo abyss Mar 17, 2022, 9:29 PM

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grizzled garnet Bunkers can only take two enhancements, no?

the comms relay is under battlements and battlefield on the page following upgrades. i was reading it as though medium buildings could pick 2 out of the 6 upgrades. then obstacles, battlements, and battlefield were a separate category

grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 9:30 PM

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You'll just have to have a guy on the battlements somehow to operate it instead of hiding them all in the bunker.

echo abyss Mar 17, 2022, 9:30 PM

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yeah, in that next section it says "Each fortification can purchase a single Battlement and Battlefield upgrade from the list that follows."

grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 9:30 PM

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Which means the guys on the battlements can be shot at.

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Yep.

echo abyss Mar 17, 2022, 9:32 PM

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Comms relays just says an unengaged model has to be within 2" of it. Is it wrong to count the guy 2" downstairs from it?

grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 9:33 PM

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Guys in the bunker technically don't exist, like guys in a transport.

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Can't be targeted for shooting, so on, so forth.

red trench Mar 17, 2022, 9:33 PM

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Typically when a unit is embarked in a transport or the interior of a fortification, all interactions outside of said transport/fortification shut off

echo abyss Mar 17, 2022, 9:34 PM

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ahh that makes sense. and the battlements stuff is based on actual model interaction

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so id need to pop them out for turn 2 in order to be near it. but that means theyd be moving and shooting for 2 turns, so not really a good option

grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 9:36 PM

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More specifically, you don't need the void shield because they can't be shot inside the bunker anyway.

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Void shield's protecting the bunker, not them.

red trench Mar 17, 2022, 9:36 PM

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Wait, VS don't protect people on the battlements?

grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 9:36 PM

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I did admittedly buy a void shield for my ridiculous mechanicum + dreadwing list with 10 plasma cannon HSS in an ammo dump bunker, though.

grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 9:37 PM

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red trench Wait, VS don't protect people on the battlements?

Why would you put them in the battlements instead of inside their open-topped land raider?

echo abyss Mar 17, 2022, 9:38 PM

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red trench Wait, VS don't protect people on the battlements?

it does, specifically includes the building, models embarked, and on battlements

red trench Mar 17, 2022, 9:39 PM

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grizzled garnet Why would you put them in the battlements instead of inside their open-topped la...

I'd absolutely put them inside, I was asking after the principle of the rule b/c I played a game recently where it was relevant 😅

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Good to know we played it right

echo abyss Mar 17, 2022, 9:39 PM

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so i need to come up with some one to stand on the battlements or at least w/in 6" of the bunker in order for the comms relay to work?

grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 9:40 PM

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Yes.

red trench Mar 17, 2022, 9:40 PM

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Just park a techmarine w/ servitors up there

grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 9:40 PM

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^ who'll also repair the bunker.

red trench Mar 17, 2022, 9:40 PM

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Get your rerolls, battlesmith for when the VS fails, and the option for decent weapons on the servitors

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For only 193pts you can have 4x rad missile servitors attached to a techmarine

echo abyss Mar 17, 2022, 9:41 PM

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shame they dont have computer terminals inside bunkers in the 31st century

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already so invested into these sun killers with the bunker, i think id sooner trim the comms and forget it than cut all three javelins or the lightning in order to find techmarine & servitor points

red trench Mar 17, 2022, 9:43 PM

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That's fair, tbh

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Though it does get way cheaper if you only want the techmarine (45pts) and default bolter servitors (12ppm)

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The rad missile part is warcrimes memes

echo abyss Mar 17, 2022, 9:44 PM

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how do people normally man the battlement gun emplacements? i imagine the entire unit has to either be in or out?

red trench Mar 17, 2022, 9:46 PM

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Yeah, units cannot voluntarily split up and if they're forced to they have to use all available movement to regroup first

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So you can't "half embark"

grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 9:48 PM

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red trench The rad missile part is warcrimes memes

You take them with servo-arms for 2+ battlesmith rolls.

grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 9:48 PM

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echo abyss how do people normally man the battlement gun emplacements? i imagine the entir...

People usually just don't take any battlement upgrades, if they take a fort at all.

echo abyss Mar 17, 2022, 9:49 PM

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yeah that makes sense with the limitations

red trench Mar 17, 2022, 9:49 PM

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grizzled garnet You take them with servo-arms for 2+ battlesmith rolls.

Unless you're Mech, you can't sadly

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Marine servitors only get guns, chainswords, or fists

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Though why you would swap the bolter for a chainsword when you have no other CCW is beyond me

echo abyss Mar 17, 2022, 9:54 PM

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how do you go from missile servitors to rad missile servitors?

red trench Mar 17, 2022, 9:56 PM

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You buy rad grenades on the techmarine for +10pts, then each missile launcher servitor can add rad missiles for +10ppm

echo abyss Mar 17, 2022, 9:58 PM

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ah i see. cyber familiar and servo arm since he's repairing the thing?

grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 10:00 PM

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Cyber-familiar is unnecessary, servo arm yes.

red trench Mar 17, 2022, 10:00 PM

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He'll be on the battlements for a 4+ cover anyway, and can go to ground for a 2+ if needed

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Anything that bypasses cover would likely outright kill him and his unit anyway

grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 10:01 PM

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And would have to get through the void shield first.

You effectively just make a 48" "do not go here" zone barring terrain.

red trench Mar 17, 2022, 10:05 PM

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250pts + 193pts + fortification costs is a pricey no-go zone, though

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Still probably worth for shutting down a massive amount of the board, depending on map

grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 10:05 PM

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It's the same price as a Terminator squad with LR.

red trench Mar 17, 2022, 10:06 PM

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Honestly I don't know the price of a bunker offhand 😅

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Certainly has better range than an LR though

echo abyss Mar 17, 2022, 10:06 PM

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4x rad missiles at BS3 feels kinda similar to 3 shots from my plasma predator at BS4 ap2, but the bunker can drive (without repairs tho)

echo abyss Mar 17, 2022, 10:06 PM

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red trench Honestly I don't know the price of a bunker offhand 😅

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grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 10:07 PM

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Technically, it's a Land Raider with better BS, ignores cover, and more lascannons!

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:^)

grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 10:07 PM

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echo abyss 4x rad missiles at BS3 feels kinda similar to 3 shots from my plasma predator at...

Not just without repairs, also without AV14 all around.

echo abyss Mar 17, 2022, 10:08 PM

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mobility traded for AV, for sure

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it can move 12" and still shoot the turret at full BS, which can help with hiding the backend

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question about the techie on top, if he's up there and the void shield pops, my opponent can either choose to target him or the building at that point, right?

grizzled garnet Mar 17, 2022, 10:15 PM

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Yep, though with other shooting attacks.

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 1:40 AM

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any ideas what i could add to take the list to 3k? feel like im bit short on bodies, just add a bunch of tacs?

grizzled garnet Mar 18, 2022, 1:41 AM

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What's your current points and the updated list?

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 1:42 AM

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squad of terminators?

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2500

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dropping the comms relay is 20pts

grizzled garnet Mar 18, 2022, 1:43 AM

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Add a tac squad to man the comms relay. It'd be funny.

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Then you can grab an assault squad with sonic shriekers, axes, combat shields, and a spear on the sergeant.

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Should take you to 3k.

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 1:45 AM

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reserve the javelins, the predator and the lightning?

grizzled garnet Mar 18, 2022, 1:46 AM

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Not the Predator. You can't outflank it and it'll have to come on from your board edge.

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 1:46 AM

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i have a droppod i could stick 1 contemptor in, but if 1 has to walk maybe its fine to just both of them footslog

grizzled garnet Mar 18, 2022, 1:46 AM

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Depends on your points.

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Get the assault squad an apothecary and then see what your elites slots look like.

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 1:46 AM

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levi in a drop pod fills up a lot of 500pts

grizzled garnet Mar 18, 2022, 1:47 AM

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Yeah, but you have a lot of toys and not that many boys.

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Works when you're Sv2+, does not work when you're Sv3+.

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(especially since the Kakophonii don't have apothecaries)

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 1:48 AM

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the kakophoni do have apothecaries

hoary geode Mar 18, 2022, 1:49 AM

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How many assault marines in a squad? I was told 15 is the sweet spot.

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 1:49 AM

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but yeah, a set of tacs and assault marines would bring a lot

grizzled garnet Mar 18, 2022, 1:49 AM

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ah, you had nine.

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Right, I see.

grizzled garnet Mar 18, 2022, 1:49 AM

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hoary geode How many assault marines in a squad? I was told 15 is the sweet spot.

Yeah, 15. Anything more is too many points what are in one basket.

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15 is three axes and the sergeant's weapon.

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 1:51 AM

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probably dont need melta bombs since ive got plenty of ranged anti armour

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15 of em with shriekers, 3 axes, 1 phoenix spear and AA comes out to 370

grizzled garnet Mar 18, 2022, 1:53 AM

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Remember to pick up combat shields, since Sv3+.

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Then you can pick up a squad of tacticals for generic "existing elsewhere on the board" purposes.

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 1:55 AM

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yeah, sorry thats in there

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370 plus 125 for the barebones tac squad is 495

grizzled garnet Mar 18, 2022, 1:57 AM

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Gotcha. See if you can get artificer on the tac squad, but otherwise, you're good.

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 1:59 AM

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im glad the whole AA on every sergeant thing is rumored to be going away with 2.0

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deepstrike the assault marines?

grizzled garnet Mar 18, 2022, 2:02 AM

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Depends on the enemy list and the terrain.

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 2:12 AM

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so the 15 assault guys are 370pts versus 10 palatine blades in a dreadclaw for 375 (4x spears)

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or 10 of em with AA and and jump packs for 410 hmmm

grizzled garnet Mar 18, 2022, 2:15 AM

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No invuln, less bodies, more expensive.

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 2:15 AM

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or 310 and bring more than 10 tacs

grizzled garnet Mar 18, 2022, 2:15 AM

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You only need 10.

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 2:15 AM

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yeah the shield is nice huh

grizzled garnet Mar 18, 2022, 2:15 AM

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They're just standing around and looking useful.

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 2:30 AM

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im tempted to forego the invuln and run 10 palatines (5 spears / 5 power swords) out of a dreadclaw. ive got the models and its nice fluffy choice. WS5 and an extra attack for the sword guys. maybe wont need the invuln since i should be swinging at i5 on the charge. plus the dreadclaw can do some fair burning. Can fit that with the 10 tacs with AA.

grizzled garnet Mar 18, 2022, 2:31 AM

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The invuln is for making sure you don't die to anything that charges you.

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But yeah, see how it works out.

broken solstice Mar 18, 2022, 2:32 AM

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counterpoint

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 2:32 AM

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the dreadclaw is an assault vehicle, right?

broken solstice Mar 18, 2022, 2:32 AM

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drop pods

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dont melee

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just buy a LR or something

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 2:34 AM

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im trying not to run any heavy heavies like LR, Spartan etc

red trench Mar 18, 2022, 2:34 AM

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echo abyss the dreadclaw is an assault vehicle, right?

All drop pods are assault vehicles

broken solstice Mar 18, 2022, 2:34 AM

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you cant charge out of a drop pod no matter what the rule says

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unless it also says you can hide in the drop pod for a turn your dudes are toast

red trench Mar 18, 2022, 2:35 AM

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You can’t charge out of one the turn it arrives, hence why you bring the Dreadclaw

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Because that one is a true flyer, and lacks the Impact Reactive Doors that normal pods have

broken solstice Mar 18, 2022, 2:36 AM

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can it jink??

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 2:36 AM

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yeah

broken solstice Mar 18, 2022, 2:36 AM

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12 av isnt huge

red trench Mar 18, 2022, 2:37 AM

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It can indeed jink

broken solstice Mar 18, 2022, 2:37 AM

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i guess that isnt so bad then

echo abyss Mar 18, 2022, 2:39 AM

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the hope would be to pop the opposing spartan with my anti armour and mop up the contents with the 5 spears and praetor/cmd squad. shoot everything else with the kakophoni out of rhinos. contemptors (or a knight lancer) charge towards a good target. Predator zooms 12" and drops little blasts on any 2+ units.

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