#Salamanders - 3k points - noob here need help

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XVIII - Salamanders - Real test - [3000 Point(s), 1 Auxilary Detachment(s), 1 Apex Detachment(s)]

++ Crusade Force Organization Chart ++ [3000 Point(s), 1 Auxilary Detachment(s), 1 Apex Detachment(s)]

Allegiance

Allegiance: Loyalist

++ Crusade Primary Detachment ++ [1325 Point(s)]

High Command [175 Point(s)]

Praetor in Terminator Armour [175 Point(s)]: Cataphractii, Drakenscale, Combi-bolter, Forge-crafted power fist, One Apex Detachment, Prime Unit (Combat Veterans)

Command [115 Point(s)]

Legion Champion [115 Point(s)]: Drakenscale, Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Paragon blade, Prime Unit, Volkite serpenta

Troops [680 Point(s)]

Salamanders Adherents Squad [170 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Advocate [15 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer, Forge-crafted power sword
• 1x Adherent [25 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer, Nuncio-vox
• 7x Adherent [15 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer
Prime Unit (Logistical Benefit (LB - Heavy Transport))
Salamanders Adherents Squad [170 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Advocate [15 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer, Forge-crafted power sword
• 1x Adherent [25 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer, Nuncio-vox
• 7x Adherent [15 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer
Prime Unit (Duty Before Death)
Salamanders Adherents Squad [170 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Advocate [15 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer, Forge-crafted power sword
• 1x Adherent [25 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer, Nuncio-vox
• 7x Adherent [15 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer
Prime Unit (Duty Before Death)
Salamanders Adherents Squad [170 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Prime Unit
• 1x Advocate [15 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer, Forge-crafted power sword
• 1x Adherent [25 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer, Nuncio-vox
• 7x Adherent [15 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer

Transport [240 Point(s)]

Rhino [60 Point(s)]: Pintle Mounted bolter, Pintle Mounted Bolter
Rhino [60 Point(s)]: Pintle Mounted bolter, Pintle Mounted Bolter
Rhino [60 Point(s)]: Pintle Mounted bolter, Pintle Mounted Bolter
Rhino [60 Point(s)]: Pintle Mounted bolter, Pintle Mounted Bolter

Heavy Transport [115 Point(s)]

Dreadclaw Drop Pod [115 Point(s)]

++ Warlord Detachment ++ [465 Point(s)]

Warlord [465 Point(s)]

Vulkan [465 Point(s)]: The Furnace's Heart, Dragon's Breath Gauntlet, Dawnbringer, Frag grenades, Krak grenades

++ Apex - Army Vanguard ++ [500 Point(s), 1 Apex Detachment(s)]

Elites [500 Point(s)]

Firedrake Terminator Squad [250 Point(s)]: Prime Unit, Drakenscale, Forge-crafted thunder hammer
• 1x Firedrake Master
• 4x Firedrake [45 Point(s)]
Firedrake Terminator Squad [250 Point(s)]: Drakenscale, Forge-crafted thunder hammer
• 1x Firedrake Master
• 4x Firedrake [45 Point(s)]

++ Auxiliary - Immolation Covenant ++ [710 Point(s), 1 Auxilary Detachment(s)]

Armour - Predator or Vindicator Only [230 Point(s)]

Predator [115 Point(s)]: Flamestorm cannon, Two Sponson Mounted heavy flamers, Pintle Mounted heavy flamer, Turret Mounted hunter-killer missile
Predator [115 Point(s)]: Flamestorm cannon, Two Sponson Mounted heavy flamers, Pintle Mounted heavy flamer, Turret Mounted hunter-killer missile

Support [480 Point(s)]

Salamanders Sanctifier Squad [240 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Consecrator [15 Point(s)]: Chainsword, Two forge-crafted hand flamers (2x Forge-crafted hand flamer)
• 2x Sanctifier [26 Point(s)]: Chainsword, 5 may exchange bolter for obsidite rotor cannon (Bolt pistol, Obsidite Rotor Cannon)
• 7x Sanctifier [21 Point(s)]: Chainsword, Two volkite serpentas (2x Volkite serpenta)
Salamanders Sanctifier Squad [240 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Consecrator [15 Point(s)]: Chainsword, Two forge-crafted hand flamers (2x Forge-crafted hand flamer)
• 2x Sanctifier [26 Point(s)]: Chainsword, 5 may exchange bolter for obsidite rotor cannon (Bolt pistol, Obsidite Rotor Cannon)
• 7x Sanctifier [21 Point(s)]: Chainsword, Two volkite serpentas (2x Volkite serpenta)

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This list will definitely struggle to bring down armor. Especially if someone brings kratos,Spartans and land raiders.
You’ll also find great difficulty in mech lists, as well as mechanized cohort auxilia.
Maybe consider swapping the predators with laser vindicators, or even swapping to lascanon sponson and melta predators

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I'm not a fan of vindicator as a mini but it seems a nice loadout swap for predators

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# civic pendant And If I were to swap stuff to get the HH Mechanicum patrol as allied what would...

You could definitely run the Mech patrol as ally’s, but including the entire box would be a lot more points than what is in the immolation detachment. And the mech box doesn’t include an HQ so you’d have to pick up a magos to run the automata. Some melta thallax, dark fire castellex and a thanatar with the las would change the dynamic of the army around quite a bit. You’d be threatening heavy armor with the thanatar and heavy infantry/dreads/robots with the thallax and castelex.

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Having an army you like the look and vibe of is more important than an army you win a lot with. Salamanders also love meltas if you’d rather anti tank infantry over tank destroyers.

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I love flamers, Termis and the robots looks^^
Tanks are more for a "I need armor stuff to threaten" more than a real love for them

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# long drum You could definitely run the Mech patrol as ally’s, but including the entire box...

I tried putting the box on a list and had to add 2 HQ to fit everything correctly
I tried to make one magos going with the Thallax, one magos going with the automatas
There's 20points left (as I can't bring more than 1k if I remember correctly) but I don't know what to add as upgrades on the magos
Gonna use the Secutarii Axiarch mini for the magos as I love the look of that mini

Mechanicum - Test - [980 Point(s), 2 Auxilary Detachment(s)]

++ Crusade Force Organization Chart ++ [980 Point(s), 2 Auxilary Detachment(s)]

Allegiance

Allegiance: Loyalist

++ Crusade Primary Detachment ++ [490 Point(s)]

Command [320 Point(s)]

Magos [150 Point(s)]: Reductor, Servo-arm, Deactivate Limiters, Power lance, Volkite serpenta, Phased plasma-fusil, Arcana Benefice, Frag grenades, Prime Unit (Logistical Benefit (LB - Heavy Assault))
Magos [170 Point(s)]: Cybernetica, Machinator array, Overcharge Reactors, Power lance, Volkite serpenta, Conversion beamer, Arcana Benefice, Frag grenades

Heavy Assault [170 Point(s)]

Castellax Destructor Maniple [170 Point(s)]: Cybernetica
• 2x Castellax [85 Point(s)]: Pair of power blades, 2x Flamer, Darkfire cannon

++ Auxiliary - Tactical Support ++ [245 Point(s), 1 Auxilary Detachment(s)]

Support [245 Point(s)]

Thallax Cohort [245 Point(s)]: Reductor, Frag grenades, Melta bombs
• 1x Thallax Praetorian [20 Point(s)]: Phased plasma-fusil
• 5x Thallax [35 Point(s)]: Multi-melta

++ Auxiliary - Heavy Support ++ [245 Point(s), 1 Auxilary Detachment(s)]

War-engine [245 Point(s)]

Thanatar Siege Maniple [245 Point(s)]: Cybernetica, Shock chargers, Twin mauler bolt cannon
• 1x Thanatar
Calix Configuration (Graviton ram, Sollex heavy-las)

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Thanks for the advice
Here what I feel is more or less the final list
I like everything I put in there

XVIII - Salamanders - Test with Mechanicus - [3000 Point(s), 3 Auxilary Detachment(s), 1 Apex Detachment(s)]

XVIII - Salamanders - ++ Crusade Force Organization Chart ++ [1995 Point(s), 1 Auxilary Detachment(s), 1 Apex Detachment(s)]

Allegiance

Allegiance: Loyalist

XVIII - Salamanders - ++ Crusade Primary Detachment ++ [1210 Point(s)]

High Command [175 Point(s)]

Praetor in Terminator Armour [175 Point(s)]: Cataphractii, Drakenscale, Combi-bolter, Forge-crafted power fist, One Apex Detachment

Command [110 Point(s)]

Legion Champion [110 Point(s)]: Melta bombs, Frag grenades, Krak grenades, Paragon blade, Volkite serpenta

Troops [510 Point(s)]

Salamanders Adherents Squad [170 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Advocate [15 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer, Forge-crafted power sword
• 1x Adherent [25 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer, Nuncio-vox
• 7x Adherent [15 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer
Prime Unit (Logistical Benefit (LB - Heavy Transport))
Salamanders Adherents Squad [170 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Advocate [15 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer, Forge-crafted power sword
• 1x Adherent [25 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer, Nuncio-vox
• 7x Adherent [15 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer
Salamanders Adherents Squad [170 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Advocate [15 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer, Forge-crafted power sword
• 1x Adherent [25 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer, Nuncio-vox
• 7x Adherent [15 Point(s)]: Combi-flamer

Transport [180 Point(s)]

Rhino [60 Point(s)]: Pintle Mounted bolter, Pintle Mounted Bolter
Rhino [60 Point(s)]: Pintle Mounted bolter, Pintle Mounted Bolter
Rhino [60 Point(s)]: Pintle Mounted bolter, Pintle Mounted Bolter

Heavy Transport [235 Point(s)]

Kharybdis Assault Claw [235 Point(s)]: Kharybdis missile launcher

XVIII - Salamanders - ++ Auxiliary - Tactical Support ++ [310 Point(s), 1 Auxilary Detachment(s)]

Support [310 Point(s)]

Salamanders Sanctifier Squad [155 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Consecrator [30 Point(s)]: Forge-crafted power sword, Two forge-crafted hand flamers (2x Forge-crafted hand flamer)
• 1x Sanctifier [36 Point(s)]: Chainsword, Vexilla, 5 may exchange bolter for obsidite rotor cannon (Bolt pistol, Obsidite Rotor Cannon)
• 3x Sanctifier [21 Point(s)]: Chainsword, Two volkite serpentas (2x Volkite serpenta)
Salamanders Sanctifier Squad [155 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Consecrator [30 Point(s)]: Forge-crafted power sword, Two forge-crafted hand flamers (2x Forge-crafted hand flamer)
• 1x Sanctifier [36 Point(s)]: Chainsword, Vexilla, 5 may exchange bolter for obsidite rotor cannon (Bolt pistol, Obsidite Rotor Cannon)
• 3x Sanctifier [21 Point(s)]: Chainsword, Two volkite serpentas (2x Volkite serpenta)

XVIII - Salamanders - ++ Apex - Army Vanguard ++ [475 Point(s), 1 Apex Detachment(s)]

Elites [475 Point(s)]

Firedrake Terminator Squad [475 Point(s)]: Drakenscale, Forge-crafted thunder hammer
• 1x Firedrake Master
• 9x Firedrake [45 Point(s)]

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Mechanicum - ++ Allied Detachment and its Auxiliary ++ [1005 Point(s), 2 Auxilary Detachment(s)]

Mechanicum - ++ Allied Detachment ++ [510 Point(s)]

Command [350 Point(s)]

Magos [170 Point(s)]: Reductor, Cyber-familiar, Servo-arm, Deactivate Limiters, Power lance, Volkite serpenta, Phased plasma-fusil, Arcana Benefice, Frag grenades, Prime Unit (Logistical Benefit (LB - Heavy Assault))
Magos [180 Point(s)]: Cybernetica, Cortex controller, Machinator array, Overcharge Reactors, Power lance, Volkite serpenta, Conversion beamer, Arcana Benefice, Frag grenades

Heavy Assault [160 Point(s)]

Castellax Destructor Maniple [160 Point(s)]: Cybernetica
• 2x Castellax [80 Point(s)]: Pair of power blades, Bolter, Flamer, Darkfire cannon

Mechanicum - ++ Auxiliary - Tactical Support ++ [250 Point(s), 1 Auxilary Detachment(s)]

Support [250 Point(s)]

Thallax Cohort [250 Point(s)]: Reductor, Frag grenades, Melta bombs
• 1x Thallax Praetorian [25 Point(s)]: Multi-melta
• 5x Thallax [35 Point(s)]: Multi-melta

Mechanicum - ++ Auxiliary - Heavy Support ++ [245 Point(s), 1 Auxilary Detachment(s)]

War-engine [245 Point(s)]

Thanatar Siege Maniple [245 Point(s)]: Cybernetica, Shock chargers, Twin mauler bolt cannon
• 1x Thanatar
Calix Configuration (Graviton ram, Sollex heavy-las)

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Looks like a balanced all-rounder. Plenty of fire to scare infantry, big robots to threaten big stuff and enough firedrakes to make anyone shit their pants.

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Your armies only weakness is a lack of line, so remember to prioritize keeping enemies off objectives or they’ll snowball you on victory points quickly!

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A tactical marine squad to hold objectives would be a QoL edition, but if you want all adherents for the true sons of vulkan vibe then go all out on em!

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Might try like that first and if it's too complicated, swap one squad of Adherants for Tacticals (and maybe remove one or 2 minis in others to add a 2nd Tactical squad)

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But hey
Have a lot of work to do before thinking about playing it
For now I have only 10 Firedrakes build (5only paint started)
Sooooooo a full army to build and paint

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Good luck! I’ll be on the lookout for them in the showcase channels!