#Luna Wolves Riteless Doubles 1.5K C&C

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lusty portal
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Thinking of taking this list to a doubles event later this summer. My Doubles Partner is Alpha Legion running the rite that makes their special Infiltrators troops, so lots of that. Hoping the Infiltrators can tie the enemy down a lot while my guys rush across the board to engage and grab points.

1,497 pts
Allegiance: Loyalist
Army: Luna Wolves
Rite: Nada

HQ - 512
162 - Praetor (Master-Crafted Paragon Blade, Boarding Shield, Volkite Charger, Wolf of Luna)
350 - Chieftain Retinue (Standard Bearer w/ Fist, all AA, 4x Fist, 5x Chainsword)

Troops - 360
(2x) 180 - 10x Assault Marines (7 Chainsword, 2 Carsoran Tabar, Sgt w/ Fist and AA)

Elites - 195
195 - Contemptor Dreadnought Talon (Melta Cannon, Gravis Fist w/ Meltagun)

Fast Attack - 190
(2x) 95 - Javelin (Dual Lascannon)

Heavy Support - 240
240 - Land Raider Proteus Carrier (Hull Lascannon, Searchlights)

limpid valley
lusty portal
limpid valley
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Agreed

plush sundial
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I play the alpha legion RoW you'll be playing alongside. Their infiltrators are really good at killing characters and tanks, but not so good at melee or clearing large groups of infantry. They can bring 1 unit from any legion to cover that weakness. They won't be bring much line if any.
When you build a list for that, you spend 600 on your headhunters, 150 on a Praetor and then you have to decide what Reward of Trevhary you want which can easily set you back 500 and then you have 250 to play with for other stuff basically.
You'll need to do most of the line but you have that covered nicely. Looks good.

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In terms of your list, nothing I'd really change much about, I'm always inclined to say bin off the shield on the Praetor and get a light claw by cutting pts somewhere. If he's modelled with it, doesn't really matter tho

lusty portal
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It's magnetized so I can swap if I want to shuffle some points somewhere (It'd probably come out of the Contemptor's Meltagun) but I'm wondering if it'll be useful to keep the unit Heavy in case I run up against templates and Scorpii

plush sundial
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Oh, I get the idea now. Remember it's only armour saves so the rending is gonna turn you to ribbons anyway. If that's the idea though you can stick with it. I didn't think of that as a consideration.

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There are plenty of blasts that does apply to

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Is the chieftain retinue a 10 man sqaud?

lusty portal
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Yeah

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All Boarding Shields (stock, unswappable)

plush sundial
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Is it worth dropping a whole speeder then and investing in weapons? Lightning claws on the ones with no fists?

lusty portal
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I'd like to keep 'em because the Javelins have done me good a lot and they're a nice way of getting into the weaker AV facings

And I tend to favour assuming that some of them will die before getting into combat, do I don't tend to max out PW's

plush sundial
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Okie dokie, makes sense.

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So long as you're taking them with the understanding that if they are good at killing normal units but if they run into WS5 terminators (or rampagers etc) they are gonna get absolutely curb stomped. That's okay for 350 pts. If they could kill a 625pt unit of firedrakes they'd be ridiculous, but it is something to bear in mind when playing.

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Awesome, seems like a good amount of thought has gone into what you wanna run. Good luck!

lusty portal
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Chieftains are WS5 if that matters!
Plus with the Merciless Fighters rule, that helps them stick in the fight longer

limpid valley
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The basic Carsoran axes are also fairly decent, so long as you don’t expect the unit to chew through dreads or vehicles

lusty portal
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I could do 1 or 2 Axes for a bit more bite at initiative

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Or I could give the other 5 Chainaxes

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Since I'm probably gonna throw them at other Retinues, the native AP3 of the Axe will be on their 2+'s anyways

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We'll see I'm gonna test this list a few times so there'll be some live tweaking

limpid valley
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You’ve got your 5++ and 2W, they’ll go splat from the fists if they fail their invulns

lusty portal
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And the Praetor's got Wolf and the Chieftains have Kingslayers

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So +1A and Rerolling 1's against units with IC's

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I will say I played a game against a Silver-Iron Warlord the other weekend and hot damn having the Legion Trait turned off like that was brutal

limpid valley
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…given that you have no Rite, would you consider freeing up a few pts by grabbing a Champion as your warlord instead of the Praetor?

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-1 Invuln and -1 Wound to save what, ~60pts?

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It’s not much, but it’s maybe upgrades elsewhere, or most of a second speeder

lusty portal
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Hmmmmmm I hadn't considered that
I wonder if I shift the points around correctly I could actually get a Primus Medicae with the squad then

limpid valley
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Basic Champion is 95pts. I forget if the boarding shield is free or +10

lusty portal
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Shields are free afaik

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If they aren't, I've played my last few games slightly over points lol

limpid valley
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The praetor is 162. Champion w/ Volkite would be 97. That’s 65pts of savings. Find another 30 somewhere and you can grab another javelin. Or you could spend those pts on a basic apothecary for the Chieftans. They don’t have to be a retinue, though they’ll lose the banner if they’re not iirc

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A basic Primus Medicae is 105pts before any other upgrades

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So you’d need to find a full 40pts elsewhere just to field a stock medic

lusty portal
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Actually, weirdly, Chieftains have the banner regardless afaik

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Because the Standard Bearer is a specific model in the unit, I'm not paying 15 for the Standard

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Interesting...

limpid valley
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Huh, they do indeed come stock with a banner

lusty portal
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Getting a stock Apoth for them may indeed be the move

limpid valley
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If you’ve got the spare HQ slot, might as well give them the normal apothecary to save pts? Hell, 65pts is exactly enough for an Apoth with AA and a Power/Charnabal Weapon

lusty portal
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Evil, Evil thoughts
I love it lol

limpid valley
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Or an Apoth w/ AA, then 10pts to spare for more weapons on the Chieftans, who are WS5 and thus more likely to actually hit something

lusty portal
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Yeah

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I hate to lose out on 1W and need to Challenge but having an Apoth will hopefully make up for that

limpid valley
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It also gives his entire squad Fearless while he’s in a challenge, even if he dies that turn

lusty portal
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I forget, is Fearless or Stubborn better?

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Because the Standard does give Stubborn

limpid valley
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Which isn’t always great, but it does mean you’re guaranteed to hold even if you somehow lose combat, and renders you immune to EC Sonic Shriekers

limpid valley
# lusty portal I forget, is Fearless or Stubborn better?

It’s situational, but generally speaking Fearless is better than stubborn b/c Fearless lets you autopass morale. In the champion’s case, he only gets it in melee so the stubborn is still relevant against things like concussive/shell shock/fear when being shot at

lusty portal
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But hopefully having a Land Raider means that it'll eat a fair bit of shooting for them and then get into combat before they can be shot too too much more

limpid valley
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True

plush sundial
lusty portal
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But advice taken lol

limpid valley
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10 Dom-Hammernators will suffer from getting shot by two javelin lascannons, a land raider set up with lascannons, and a contemptor’s melta

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Then, and only then, will they get charged

lusty portal
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Yeah give em the shootout of their lives

plush sundial
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Yep, trick is not to fight them in melee

limpid valley
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The dominators watching the wrath of a thousand guns descend on their position