#Night lords aod test

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subtle cliff
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Crusade Force Organisation Chart ++ [3000 Pts]

Allegiance: Traitor
VIII: Night Lords
Rite of War: Terror Assault (NL)

HQ [865 Pts]

Centurion [155 Pts]: Chaplain
• 1x Chaplain [120 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Refractor Field, Lords of Murder, Preysight, Trophies of Judgement, Bolt Pistol, Artificer Armour, Power Weapon (Headsman's Axe)
Sevatar [710 Pts]: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades, Iron Halo, Krak Grenades, Night's Whisper, Psychic Powers, Master of the Legion, Sworn Loyalty, Warlord
• 1x Contekar Terminator Squad [490 Pts]: Chainblade, Tartaros Terminator Armour, 5x Volkite Cavitor, Preysight, Escaton Power Claw
Land Raider Proteus Carrier (2x Sponson Mounted Gravis Lascannon, Legiones Astartes (X), Smoke Launchers, Twin-linked Lascannon)

Elites [1325 Pts]

Apothecarion Detachment [100 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Narthecium, Bolt Pistol, Power Armour, Chainsword (Chainsword), Minor Combi-Weapon (Minor Combi-Weapon - Volkite Charger)

2 man Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [375 Pts]:
• 1x Contemptor Dreadnought [195 Pts]: Atomantic Deflector, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Gravis Lascannon, Combi-Bolter
• 1x Contemptor Dreadnought [180 Pts]: Atomantic Deflector, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Gravis Melta Cannon, Combi-Bolter

10 man Terminator Cataphractii Squad [850 Pts]: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
• 1x Land Raider Spartan [375 Pts]: Land Raider Spartan (Legiones Astartes (X), Smoke Launchers, Hull (Front) Mounted Twin-linked Lascannon, 2x Lascannon Array)

Troops [810 Pts]

15 man Tactical Squad [195 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Preysight, Chain Bayonet, Bolt Pistol, Bolter

2x 10 man Tactical Squad [115 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Preysight, Bolt Pistol, Bolter

10 man Terror Squad [385 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, 10x Rotor Cannon, Preysight, Headsman's Axe, Bolt Pistol, Chainglaive

coral brook
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If you can, put Preysight on your Spartan and Land Raider Proteus

subtle cliff
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oh right! Good catch

cerulean panther
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10 Chainfists is a lot of points, Id say take half double claws. Ten man Tacs have issues without rhinos a lot, maybe less with Night Fighting but eh. Not following the melee weapons on the Terrors

subtle cliff
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well thats more for if i go against the world eaters....he will charge them so i want...some decent weapon to fight back if they survive

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and the chain fists os cos they all love dreads, so i though reroll wounds against them would be a good idea...

cerulean panther
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if Dread spam, then sure

subtle cliff
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Funnily enough thenworld eater is rhe least likely to take dreads lol. The iron warrior inplay most takes 3-4 each game

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and a blood angel player runs march of the ancients a lot

cerulean panther
subtle cliff
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mean by what? The rite or?

cerulean panther
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Picking BA for Dread spam...but thats not relevant Im just confused

subtle cliff
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oh he just likes blood angels i guess and has a tonne of dreads...

cerulean panther
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Does the WE run termies or Rampagers? double claw termies can at least fight at the same time and ignore rampager saves

subtle cliff
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rampagers iirc...with jump packs..

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noooot sure he runs termies...he likes to be speedy so lots of jump packs

coral brook
cerulean panther
subtle cliff
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sooo two termies with claws or half?

cerulean panther
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Id say 4-5

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on the charge, its 5 attacks each for 2 claws

coral brook
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Don't take Trophies of Judgement, Terror Assault already gives your characters Fear

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Don't take Lords of Murder either, the whole squad needs to have Bloody Murder for it to trigger

subtle cliff
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ehm...no character was joining the terror squad...

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the chaplain was going with cataphractii

coral brook
subtle cliff
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ooh right

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which...squad gets bloody murder then just for future refrence?

coral brook
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Night Raptors

subtle cliff
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ahh

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i can put one rhino in atm...should i?

coral brook
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Sure

subtle cliff
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tacs or terror?

coral brook
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Take Preysight on your Las contemptor

coral brook
subtle cliff
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yes sorry i put prey sight on the contemptors...i forgt that too lol

cerulean panther
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and a rhino for the plasma guys

coral brook
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Do what he said

cerulean panther
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Terror guys can infiltrate

coral brook
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But infiltrating multi-melta rhino

subtle cliff
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do both dreads get prey sight ?

coral brook
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Just the Lascannon one

cerulean panther
subtle cliff
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ok...wish newrecruit made that clear...

cerulean panther
subtle cliff
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but only one gets it?

cerulean panther
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no, they would both get it

subtle cliff
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ah cool. Also support squads have..line?

cerulean panther
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Talons are a unit at list building

cerulean panther
subtle cliff
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see i would rather have three line...atleast for now...as i get more stuff i can get more stuff like support squads and such...

cerulean panther
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Very fair

subtle cliff
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does...sevetar get fear from the rite?

cerulean panther
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Terror Assault can really uh, guide some into not taking enough Line lol

subtle cliff
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i learned line is important from my first game where i ran eskaton with no line...

cerulean panther
subtle cliff
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World eater player didnr even bother leaving his deployment zone

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cos the mission let him win just by sitting there

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granted anything that did venture out got wrecked but most of his army stood still lol

cerulean panther
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terrible, WE players arent allow to think like that

subtle cliff
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lol

cerulean panther
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2x15 tacs can always be split into 3x10 if you get rhinos later

subtle cliff
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i already had to split them all to 10s, for two reaons i miscounted lol and i had to fit in all the prey sights i forgot

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if terror squads had line i would be a lot...happier..

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isnt there a centurion that gives line?

cerulean panther
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Herald

subtle cliff
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hmm debating if i should drop the apoths for him then..

cerulean panther
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Terminator Herald would be very good for that brick, gives Fearless and Fear 1 as well

subtle cliff
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The terror squad?

cerulean panther
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nah the terminators

subtle cliff
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they would have fear and...stubborn? From chaplain

cerulean panther
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Terrors are just as squishy as tacs, with a better cover save in terrain is all

cerulean panther
subtle cliff
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ye and he gets fear from rite?

cerulean panther
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Fearless and Line from the banner, plus another character, still is always good for 10 terminators

subtle cliff
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is it..only the termie varient that gives fearless?

cerulean panther
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no, its part of the Herald Consul

subtle cliff
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cataphrsctii herald with eskaton claw seem good?

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and then a dozer blade on rhino and i xome to 3k

slender marten
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Terror squads are, in my opinion, pretty awkward

subtle cliff
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why?

slender marten
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They sink a lot of points to make them really good, and despite all the rotor cannons you're still only forcing 1 pinning test. If you don't have seekers or scouts to take out those characters they still have a good shot at passing em. 10 men aren't going to outnumber the things they want to shoot unless they've already been softened up. They're as expensive as veterans but only get WS4 and they're still 1 Wound. Preferred enemy infantry is nice, and infiltrate is cool, but they're also not line

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tbh if I were to run them I would use them as infiltrate chargers to really sow some havoc into my opponents tac squads that might wanna be forward deployed for obj taking, but then im trading a lot of points to kill a 100-190 point unit depending on how kitted out the target is

subtle cliff
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well i will give them a go

cerulean panther
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I'd also take nothing but rotors, and 2x5 them if I have the slots

subtle cliff
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Should i maybe do 2 5s then?

slender marten
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you've got 385 points for terror squads, I'm spending 430 for night raptors. Thats 45 more points for jump packs, +1 WS, +1 Wound, +1 Initiative on a charge, and bloody murder

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dont get it twisted i think theyre so cool thematically

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they're just kinda weak for how many points you need to drop on em to make them work in your favor

slender marten
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which if you want an infantry unit to infiltrate and drop bodies, seekers are a great way to use extra tactical bodies

cerulean panther
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I'm also on the thematic stance of running them

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Guys with mini gun hiding in the dark bushes

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I know they are overcosted

slender marten
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plus your 30" range is a nice option to stay out of return fire on the one bolter profile

subtle cliff
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you know want to know what my real issue is? I keep bouncing between legions and tbf i dont see that changing until i get aodmin hand. And i want to use stuff I find cool. And night lords are just cool, all over, they have doe the same thing ultramarines did for me on the loyalist. I was never interested in the ultrmarines but then i learned a bit about them, namely ventris from 40k. And now i really like them. And sevetar does that for me for the night lords

slender marten
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yea, but the whole appeal of NL rotor cannons is getting +1 to wound if we outnumber

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oh absolutely

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I got into warhammer as a Fist, but I just really looove the night lords

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they're so cool

subtle cliff
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Ideally id love do only do thousand sons. But they suck rules wise, there are so many hoops to jump through

cerulean panther
slender marten
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I will always maintain that the only way to run your legion is the way you want to run it. Bring 3x10 terror squads if you want

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my gripe is more that they just don't even get line from terror assault 😭

cerulean panther
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Traitordum is its own reward

subtle cliff
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ye but im likely reallt trying to to focus solely on rules

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cos it ruined the thousand sons for me

slender marten
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i feel ya

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Step one to playing Tsons is practicing your dice rolls

subtle cliff
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Its not the fear bad dice rolls, im use to that

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its just this whole...anti psyker feel i get from both games

slender marten
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I mean, to be fair, when a Tson passes his check be prepared to die

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I've seen some pretty gnarly shit come out of those boys IF they activate

coral brook
slender marten
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This guy plays to table

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like a true Iron Warrior

coral brook
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I should show you my list

slender marten
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send it please hahaha

subtle cliff
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i guess its primaily 40k issue too as...they psyker keyword, has no real possitives to it i find

cerulean panther
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ngl, I punished my IW player by targeting the hell out of his 3x10 tacs quickly and it almost won me the game

subtle cliff
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but it has a tonne of negatives

cerulean panther
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Traitors cant hold on to shit

coral brook
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3x20

slender marten
cerulean panther
coral brook
slender marten
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a few unique characters get adamantine will, sure

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ok well

cerulean panther
slender marten
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that's like me stepping into chernobyl and saying this is unfair

coral brook
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Dark Angels Terminators

slender marten
slender marten
subtle cliff
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True...but they are also a shadow of what they were from first edition. And i get it, thousand sons were cancer back then, i played religiously in first and they were a pain in the ass for my opponent. But gw has gone to far in nerfing psykers i feel.

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Ok yes i did the whole eternal warrior Sekhmet u it with magnus

cerulean panther
coral brook
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Not the generic ones, the legion specific ones have both Adamantium will (3+) and the ability to select Breakers of Witches

subtle cliff
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i get psykers kind of broke the game with the thousand sons, but that is sort of what rhey do in the lore.

coral brook
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Breakers of Witches gives them the ability to reroll all failed to hit and to wound rolls against Daemons, Psykers, and Corrupted units

subtle cliff
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so ye iv been bouncing between legions, atm its between scars and night lords

coral brook
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SCARS ARE SO COOL

subtle cliff
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iv got a sagyr list posted

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which you saw yesterday