#New Space Wolves player

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Hi iv been playing 40k for almost 2 years. I decided to dive into 30k with a friend so I could repurpose a bunch if first born and hh models I had for my infantry.

Just looking for thoughts on this list

https://www.newrecruit.eu/app/list/A8cHZ

Disclaimer, I know nit everyone wants to deal with a primarch and I'll make a non leman list when I have enough points but....he's the main reason I was attracted to the game.
Also the indomitus terminators and the dreadnought are my attempts to repurpose some other 40k models as well because of the space wolves refresh

glad heart
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What's going in the spartan?

small carbon
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Leman 5 varagyr and a speaker

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Does Russ have his wolves with him?

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Yeah . Can they go in there? I was thinking of using them as fast attack to tie up other stuff but. Not sure obviously

glad heart
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Sadly not, they either join Russ and they become one unit, in which case they can't go in a transport with another unit (the varagyr), or you take them seperately and you have the same problem.

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You could run them solo on foot, but they'll be gunned down pretty fast

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Hm. Dang that is unfortunate you'd think they'd count as retinue or somthing. What would be your suggestion? They're actually the one thing in the list I don't technically have on hand but I got a pile of thunderwolves with no purpose now lol.

glad heart
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Freki and Geri are like a cheap retinue if you want Russ running solo around the field, since they can keep up with him. If you want them, i'd actually run Russ and them on foot. They're a small enough footprint to hide and then spring out and savage people.

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Sadly the transport rules count for retinues too. A Retinue such as a Legion Command squad and thier Chracter still can't ride in a transport with another unit.

small carbon
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Ah I see. I could always try it both ways so. What would be worth putting in the spartan if he's on foot. Maybe 10 varagyr with a speaker?

glad heart
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Absolutely

small carbon
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I like them enough I'm willing to buy a box lol

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( i split age of darkness with someone for context)

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Ok so what about the rest? I'm gonna guess the terminators and dread aren't thst great

glad heart
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Castraferrums are actually really efficient little gun platforms, it'll do well.

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And on the charge he's WS6, so even though he hits at I2, other dreads will struggle to land enough hits on him to kill him, so he could punch out a contemptor.

small carbon
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Oh sick. Yea I'm gonna repurpose Bjorn or my wulfen dread for that

glad heart
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The Indomitus get the same benefit, they're WS5 on the charge so they can fight it out with more dangerous units. Their main issue is actually getting to the fight on thier stubby little legs.

small carbon
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Ah i see. And you can't do 2 units in the spartan I'm guessing

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Sadly not, they'd either need a Raider for themselves or a warmonger to strike them in

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Or walk, but you know, you risk unfavourable terrain

small carbon
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Are drop pods good in this rule set?

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I think I daw thst option for them

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Btw thanks for the help someone sent me here and said its a helpful community yall haven't disappointed lol

glad heart
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Yea they can take a dreadclaw, but i can't comment on how good those are, i don't own one. They seem quite expensive and it's not an assault vehicle, so they couldn't charge out of it.

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Ah ok so no claw shenanigans.
Imma go make some adjustments and post them here. I'm gonna keep leman in the spartan until I can get ahold of 5 more varagyr

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(I Believe a spartan can actually transport Russ, 10 varagyr and the speaker if you fill it up).

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Which would be very scary

small carbon
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It could but. It was suggested to me thst may be too many points in one basket but I'm definitely gonna try it atleast onceA

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Should I max out on centurions? Maybe another speaker or rune caster?

glad heart
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It is a lot of points in one place, but it's also quite common for people to do. If you run into someone else with a spartan full of, for example, Inner circle knights and Lion El'Jonson (Like me), you'd need appropriate force to stop such a stack.

Not that it should be your whole build, just one cool way to play

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I do max out HQ slots personally, but your consuls are very expensive, especially the speaker. You'd have to consult a space wolf specialist.

small carbon
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Gotcha. Thanks

glad heart
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Anytime

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Is sitting on a home objective a thing in HH? Maybe I keep the termies for now and they can sit on it?

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It is a thing depending on the mission, but the terminators can't do the job as they're not line, so they cant score

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people usually use tacs for that

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prisma pine
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Stalkers I mean

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Oh okay they can fill that role too? I was gonna run like 3 15 attacks and a stack of 20 alayers

prisma pine
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Yea they should be able to hold objectives well

small carbon
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Its hard transferring from 40k but I REALLY like alot of these rules more than the 40k alternative

prisma pine
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Yea I get it

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Oh also 2 things about Russ

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That I always forget

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He benefits from the legion trait and is WS 9 on the charge

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And he gets an another attack for having 2 close combat weapons

small carbon
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Yeah iv heard he's an s tier duelist which gets me excited

prisma pine
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Yea that + his -1 to hit thing is INSANE

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Russ is a goddamn beast

small carbon
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Someone gave me a fun idea
So my current list km running him with 5 vsragyr and a speaker in a spartan but when I get more varagyr I'm gonna run him on foot with the wolf kin and run like ten varagyr in the spartan. And let them decide which thing starts deleting

bronze flint
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You’ll probably struggle with armor, that’s my only concern with the list

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If your local meta doesn’t bring any you’ll be fine but besides the spartan + varagyr and boxnaught you don’t have anything to deal with dreads or armor

native widget
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300+ points for a single squad of slayers is a lot. I'd split that up.

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Also don't forget to upgrade your caster with a force weapon.

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If you're going to run a 20 man squad just keep in mind it's a huge footprint and even with skirmish it's gonna be difficult to get them all into combat. You'd also want to start considering adding things like apothecaries and vexillas

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Another thing to consider is that you blinged out your slayers with 9 power weapons but didn't spring for any shooty stuff for your stalkers. Some rotor cannons or volkite could really shore up your shooting game.

prisma pine
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3" unit coherncy

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I've had mixed results even with skirmish, especially when you're playing in/ around terrain. YMMV though.

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maiden current
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I'd be worried about Anti Armour, and dealing with long range or indirect threats like HSS, Scorpius, Recons with Nemesis. I know your adapting models you have atm. I have recently brought 2 lascannon Javellins and a scorpius into my lists, its under 350 points but covers a lot f blindspots and does good work.

If your adapting the Age of darkness box, you could consider taking some of your points on slayers/stalkers, and building some seekers that can infiltrate and help manage backline threats, or converting some to be recons with nemesis bolters.

For Anti Tank/Dread, if your getting the box, then the contemptor is a must include either with a melta or lascannon that will help dealing with armour and heavy infantry.

On your Varagyr, you should consider maximising their loadout to include Thunder hammers and frost claws for an extra attack and flexibility in target.

Overall I'd significantly reduce the amount your spending on the troops to help you cover other bases. You can get much the same effect from massed despoilers. If your doing 15+ troops in a unit consider apocatheries.

Lastly, we all love the speaker of the dead, but he's a bit wasted on Varagyr, they don't need the hatred re-roll as they'll be ws6 on the charge, and they will likely be fighting other terminators or elites that will bring Instant Death weapons that will negate his Feel No Pain.

One alternative would be 20 of your slayers/stalkers in the spartan with the speaker as they will really benefit from him. And freeing up points for a warmonger centurion to go with your varagyr. He will give them deepstrike to avoid foot slogging. Then Russ can take advantage of his speed on foot.

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small carbon
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Ah ok that settles it then....I just don't wanna get turned down for games and I already have russ.

I'm a simp for the wolf king

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Oh also I have an old 40k rhino that I don't think is ever gonna make it into my 40k list again. Can I use that and would it be worth it?

I mean with stalkers you want them running up the board making snapshots then charging right ?

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I'm about to knock out. Thanks so much for the help you guys are great

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small carbon
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Can they shoot and charge without snapshots then? The impression I got was stalkers shoot to soften the target then charge in

maiden current
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thematically thats the idea. In reality, the damage you will do with snapshots is often not worth the risk of the opponent using their reaction to retuen fire, whcih they do at full balistic skill. Of course this is situational, they make have already used their reaction etc.

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glad heart
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Just chiming in that i disagree with the Speaker being wasted on Varagyr. Being WS6 doesn't reduce the benefit of hatred at all, in fact it amplifies it.

You'll get just as many 1's and 2's as you would have before, but with WS6 you're more likely to re-roll them into hits, rather than into another miss. The Higher your WS, the more valuble hatred is.

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Yes the FnP will sometimes be wasted, but considering you guys can't take the cheaper chaplain, i'd consider the speaker to be a good investment just for hatred and his personal damage output.

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bronze flint
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I always bring a speaker with my varagyr. It’s the best unit we have so it’s imperative that the first round of combat goes off optimally