Argel Tal and his boiis

[noble moss]

Hello all,Argel Tal seems to be one of the named characters I actively enjoy in heresy, both rules and fluff. I decided to very slowly make a Serrated Sun army as those are his boiis. Here's a basic list i quickly cooked up. Would you all be willing to assist me in making it more fluffy.

More fluffy being following how he waged war during the heresy, especially the Shadow Crusade. Should this mean I need to ally in World Eaters to really fit the theme then so be it. I do have access to panoptica stuff. <@&877303857963753522>

Side note: The Vakrah Jal (the Chapter of Consecrated Iron) us such a dope name.

I already started by building Argel first

[noble moss]

Im gonna do some swapping around so i can include dark channelling in more units. IIRC his new formation is full or possessed so I need more corrupted units

[olive needle]

I’d say just drop the las cannon on the mhara gal it’s bs 3 so hits on 4s so might as well have a template weapon for that or take another fist

[noble moss]

Had,hadnt noticed that. How rare are the Mhara Gal? Basically,would it be a little more thematic to just have a dark channeling contemptor?

[noble moss]

@deep crag @storm smelt would it be alright if we talked here ?

[deep crag]

K

[noble moss]

okay,so currently this is whats written down. Im spreading Dark Channeling around since in theory every infantry model would be corrupted

The only reason the Caestus is there is because I wanted Argel to have something special to arrive in. He can just run up the board yeah,but i thought it'd be nice. Im also using some pano changes so the Contemptor is more expensive but the Caestus is a bit better

[storm smelt]

If you're no longer doing the Serrated Sons RoW, you're probably best off doing Dark Brethren

Most thematic, and is basically our actual legion rule

In terms of lore formation types and such, the Word Bearers are known to favor infantry assasults with large units of astartes. They're one of the few legions known to consistently field 20-man units.

[noble moss]

Oh really, alright and I can easily go back to serrated Sun. I really don't want to just go down the path of dark brethren like everyone else

[storm smelt]

DB is cool, and really should be our legion rule

The offering mechanic is very thematic for the legion

[noble moss]

Was Argel a major fan of shock assaults after his ascension? I trying to figure out if I want to even try a drop pod instead of ramming with the caestus

[storm smelt]

That, I am not certain of. He doesn't get very far into the Shadow Crusade before Erebus kills him, unfortunately

[noble moss]

Yeah sadly

[storm smelt]

(the rite is even named after the Gal Vorbak- Dark Brethren is the name of the individual GV models)

[storm smelt]

'Under the shadow of great wings' 😔

[noble moss]

While true, I'm just hesitant since it's almost the only rite I see word Bearers use

[storm smelt]

WB, as a legion, get relatively little spice without it. Running another rite, unless you're loading up on legion unique units or corrupted, tends to have a bit of a 'why didn't I do this with X other legion' feeling

IE a WB armored assault gets fully nothing out of being WB

Infantry ones are better off, as we can still corrupt them

[noble moss]

Tbf, same happens for funny enough Iron Hands armored company

[storm smelt]

Yee

[storm smelt]

Our unique units also kinda need the DB buffs to slap

Really helps units like Gal Vorbak, or even Lorgar himself, stand up properly to other legion elites

[noble moss]

How though, DB are fast, somewhat durable especially with Argel and basically have lightning claws

Yeah a demolisher will take them out, but that demolisher will take most elite infantry out with ease

[storm smelt]

They're good at clawing up power armor units, but tend to die on contact with other legion uniques

Someone more experienced can probably explain better than me, though

[noble moss]

Fair enough

[storm smelt]

Rending (6+) means their claws will basically never pierce artificer and terminator armor