neon spoke Apr 12, 2025, 6:33 PM

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So I need some help figuring out how to make a 1.5k starting list for Salamanders. Also how to fill out the remaining points in my list and what I might be able to cut out since I haven't really fully built anything.

Edit: New list is below.

LA - XVIII: Salamanders - Dragons of Nocturne - [1501 Pts]

++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart ++ [1506 Pts]

Expanded Army Lists

Expanded Army List Profiles: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On

Allegiance

Allegiance: Loyalist
XVIII: Salamanders

Rite of War

Rite of War: The Covenant Of Fire (SAL)

HQ [340 Pts]

Centurion [120 Pts]:
• 1x Champion [85 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Refractor Field, Dragonscale Shield, Master-craft one weapon, Bolt Pistol, Artificer Armour, Chainsword (Chainsword)
Champion (Paragon Blade)
Praetor [220 Pts]: Warlord, The Weight of Duty (Loyalist only)
• 1x Legion Praetor [220 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Iron Halo, Krak Grenades, Master of the Legion, Dragonscale Shield, Mantle of the Elder Drake, Master-craft one weapon, Paragon Blade, Plasma Pistol, Artificer Armour

Elites [265 Pts]

Apothecarion Detachment [110 Pts]: Legiones Astartes (X)
• 2x Apothecary [55 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Narthecium, Bolt Pistol, Artificer Armour, Chainsword (Chainsword)
Castra Ferrum Dreadnought Talon [155 Pts]:
• 1x Castra Ferrum Dreadnought [155 Pts]: Gravis Lascannon, Gravis Missile Launcher

Troops [511 Pts]

Breacher Squad [236 Pts]: Boarding Shield, Breacher Charge, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour
• 1x Legion Breacher Sergeant [47 Pts]: Volkite Charger, Bolt Pistol, Power Fist, Artificer Armour
• 7x Breacher [17 Pts]: Volkite Charger, Bolt Pistol
• 1x Breacher w/ Options [30 Pts]: Meltagun, Bolt Pistol
• 1x Breacher w/ Options [40 Pts]: Meltagun, Bolt Pistol, Nuncio-Vox
Pyroclast Squad [280 Pts]: Artificer Armour, Basic Close Combat Weapon, Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Meltabombs, Pyroclast Flame Projector
• 1x Pyroclast Warden [85 Pts]: Master-craft one weapon, Power Fist
• 4x Pyroclasts [30 Pts]
• 1x Rhino Transport [70 Pts]: Smoke Launchers, Twin-linked Bolter, Multi-Melta, Dozer Blade

Heavy Support [385 Pts]

Heavy Support Squad [180 Pts]: Frag Grenades, Krak Grenades, Power Armour, Lascannon
• 1x Legion Support Sergeant [20 Pts]: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Master-craft one weapon
• 3x Legionaries (collective) [15 Pts]: Bolt Pistol
• 1x Legionary w/ Options [25 Pts]: Bolt Pistol, Augury Scanner
Predator Squadron [205 Pts]:
• 1x Predator [190 Pts]: Smoke Launchers, Heavy Conversion Beam Cannon, 2x Volkite Culverins, Heavy Bolter, Dozer Blade, One Hull (Front) Mounted hunter-killer missile, Decurion Locus (Nuncio-Vox)

Lords of War Have Moved to "Lords of War Detachment"

fading nexus Apr 12, 2025, 6:37 PM

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First thing I noticed is you Master Crafted twice on Praetor, that's useless drop one

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Master crafted on Apothecary is wasteful

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Should give the Breachers a Nun Vox to help your Predator out

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Also to negate -1ld during Nightfighting which for a 10man is helpful

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Should give your Rhino a Multi Melta in case it gets ignored or can get a return fire off

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Artificer for your Las Srgt

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Your Predators lascannons will generally be out of range of your intended targets I'd do Culverans

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For some Overwatch in case something gets through your lines

neon spoke Apr 12, 2025, 6:41 PM

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Nice.

fading nexus Apr 12, 2025, 6:42 PM

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If you have the pts left over after any suggests you take up a 2nd Apothecary to raise your survival wouldnt hurt

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Other than that, everything seems mice

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Nice*

neon spoke Apr 12, 2025, 6:43 PM

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I already got Arteficer for my Las Sergeant. Don't know why that isn't showing on the list.

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Okay, so now the new total is 1,506 points.

fading nexus Apr 12, 2025, 7:15 PM

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I'd strip the HK off the Rhino

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Not really worth it, and it generally misses anyways

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And I'd be shocked if the Rhino survives past turn 3

neon spoke Apr 12, 2025, 9:58 PM

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Got it

neat forum Apr 12, 2025, 10:26 PM

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Right
My initial takes;
Extremely small squads. This frightens me
Where you planning on putting your Praetor/Champion?
That is a lot of lascannons for 1500
What is your plan with this? I want to know what you intend to do, so I can better understand your thinking aWorryWink

I would give the Dread double up of the same weapon, ideally Lascannons

neon spoke Apr 12, 2025, 11:54 PM

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neat forum Right My initial takes; Extremely small squads. This frightens me Where you plan...

Well one of the few other armies I have that are mostly complete are Word Bearers, which have two dreadnoughts (a Contemptor and Leviathan) as well as a Vindicator.

I'm mostly going MSU on most of my units. Lascannon dudes will be hanging around with my Predator, Praetor might be hanging with Pyroclasts and Apothecary. Also, can Breachers take an apothecary? I might have my Champ with my Breachers as they'll make a good shield wall for him.

neat forum Apr 12, 2025, 11:55 PM

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neon spoke Well one of the few other armies I have that are mostly complete are Word Bearer...

Yes
Apoth can go with any infantry unit that isn't terminators

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And he will get their unit type, and special rules
Not their equipment

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So the Apoth will gain Heavy, but not a shield

neon spoke Apr 12, 2025, 11:57 PM

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Cool, so that's apothecaries into the breachers and pyros. Champ into the breachers for the shield wall (might give them the rhino instead so they can drive up to the field). Praetor will be with the Pyros. Boxnought will get double Las though I might change it into a more melee dread to have something to somewhat match up against my WB contemptor dread which has a fist and multi-melta.

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Meanwhile my HSS and Predator will be in the backline. I don't really have anything among the WB that can deepstrike into the back so I don't have to worry about that.

neat forum Apr 13, 2025, 7:24 AM

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neon spoke Cool, so that's apothecaries into the breachers and pyros. Champ into the breach...

Remember your Breachers will lose the benefits of heavy, and retain the drawbacks with the champion

fading nexus Apr 13, 2025, 9:52 AM

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Exchange the Plasma for a Boarding shield

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Having the negatives of heavy, but not even atleast the buffs is really bad

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And honestly, that plasma is only likely to kill some nobody model or wound a basic termie

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I've never had special weapons ever really do much independantly in 2.0

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(Gravitat doesnt count because he's mean and cheating)

neat forum Apr 13, 2025, 1:32 PM

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Change the Dragon scale Stormshield

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For a Consul in AA it does very little

neon spoke Apr 13, 2025, 2:15 PM

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Got it.

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One problem. There's no option for Breacher shield in New Recruit.

fading nexus Apr 13, 2025, 2:19 PM

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Then give'm a bolt pistol and clarify when pulling armies out he is equiped with one

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To my recollection Boarding shields are free on HQs

neon spoke Apr 13, 2025, 2:19 PM

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Wait..... you want me to give the praetor a breacher shield when he's not even going in the breacher squad?

fading nexus Apr 13, 2025, 2:20 PM

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No, the Champion

neon spoke Apr 13, 2025, 2:20 PM

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He doesn't have the option to choose a breacher shield.

fading nexus Apr 13, 2025, 2:20 PM

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Wut

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1 sec

neon spoke Apr 13, 2025, 2:20 PM

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Wait, never mind, found it.

fading nexus Apr 13, 2025, 2:21 PM

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Bouta say

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Just checked, literal 1st option🤌

neon spoke Apr 13, 2025, 2:22 PM

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Yeah, somehow I missed it. Anyhoos, the reason I gave my praetor a plasma is because my intended model (which I may ultimately sell and replace with something else, or save him for some other purpose) has a plasma pistol.

fading nexus Apr 13, 2025, 2:23 PM

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Understandable

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Personally, I don't like asmodelled as a rule of thumb unless I'm skilled enough to use magnets

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Which I am not

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So I usually tell people to assume my models have other wargear not displayed

neon spoke Apr 13, 2025, 2:28 PM

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Yeah.

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Replacing it with a disintegrator pistol would be funny.

neat forum Apr 13, 2025, 4:05 PM

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IMHO

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Not even remotely worth it

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The shooting output of your non-specialist HQs are not worth it

fading nexus Apr 13, 2025, 5:41 PM

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Plus he's rollin with pyros who have a nasty shooty

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Giving him anything is either wasted or overkill

neat forum Apr 13, 2025, 8:19 PM

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If you absolutely want to give him something, a Nemesis Bolter is S-tier

fading nexus Apr 13, 2025, 10:16 PM

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Mhm, pinning

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Good call actually

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Tbf you could also just use Stoic Defender but yeh, our WLT is superior by a ton

neat forum Apr 14, 2025, 7:14 PM

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Big fan of the generic shooting trait, aye

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But IMHO, it's the Sniper rule, not the pinning, that's valuable

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Take out a sgt, take out a vexillia, just the option

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He's still far behind a specialist, but, still, it's something

fading nexus Apr 14, 2025, 10:20 PM

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That's also fair

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I always forget Sniper is it's own rule

neat forum Apr 15, 2025, 9:42 PM

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Indeed

#1.5k Covenant of Fire Salamanders list for starters.