#++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - XIII: Ultramarines) [2,000Pts] ++

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violet granite
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++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - XIII: Ultramarines) [2,000Pts] ++

  • Allegiance: +

Allegiance: Loyalist

XIII: Ultramarines

  • Rite of War: +

Rite of War: Pride Of The Legion

  • HQ: +

Centurion, Cataphractii [130Pts]

. Siege Breaker: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Combi-Bolter

. . Power Weapon: Power Sword
. Siege Breaker

Praetor [145Pts]: The Burden of Kings (Loyalist only), Warlord

. Legion Praetor: Mantle of Ultramar

. . Bolt Pistol
. . Chainsword: Chainsword

  • Elites: +

Fulmentarus Terminator Squad [305Pts]

. Fulmentarus Decurion: Thunder Hammer
. 4x Fulmentarus Terminator w/Power Maul: 4x Combi-Bolter, 4x Power Maul

Fulmentarus Terminator Squad [310Pts]

. Fulmentarus Decurion: Power Sword
. 4x Fulmentarus Terminator w/Power Fist: 4x Combi-Bolter, 4x Power Fist

Invictarus Suzerain Squad [175Pts]

. 5x Suzerain w/Bolt Pistol & Legatine Axe: 5x Bolt Pistol, 5x Legatine Axe

Rapier Battery [130Pts]: Laser Destroyer

. Rapier Battery w/ Legion Upgrades x2

. . Gunner: Bolt Pistol, Bolter x4

  • Troops: +

Scout Squad [125Pts]

. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter, Nuncio-Vox
. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Legion Scout Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter

Tactical Squad [140Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter
. Rhino Transport: Searchlights

Tactical Squad [140Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter
. Rhino Transport: Searchlights

Terminator Indomitus Squad [175Pts]

. Indomitus: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist x4
. Indomitus Sergeant: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist

  • Heavy Support: +

Deredeo Dreadnought Talon [225Pts]

. Legion Deredeo Dreadnought: Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter

. . Hellfire Plasma Cannonade

++ Total: [2,000Pts] ++

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Hows this for 2k base?

cursive sedge
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Pretty Broken to be honest and why not take the fulmentarus as troops?

violet granite
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Didn't know if they could be troops too

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Should I take them as 2 separate units or 1 big blob with the seige breaker

cursive sedge
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I personally wouldn't take 10 that's way to strong

violet granite
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Let's say my local meta is... a sharks nest

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A very experienced raven guard player.
Death guard hss list with twin dreads
Alpha legion head hunter list
And a imperial fist who... sometimes has limited restrain

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I'm planning on replacing one of the terminator squad with loctus squad when I have the models

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Or would a full indomitus terminator squad be better?

cursive sedge
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Yeah then do 2x5 Fulmentarus as Line Troops

violet granite
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😏 I mean invcus and Praetorians are line too

ripe gust
cursive sedge
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Sure they can

ripe gust
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No they can't

cursive sedge
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Why not?

ripe gust
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It specifically says Legion Cataphractii, Tartaros or Veteran squads. Not any terminator

cursive sedge
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Iam pretty sure if they are also comp tools they get line

ripe gust
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No, just because they're in Cataphractii armour it doesn't make them any of the squads listed in the second bullet point.

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As for the list, why the Siege breaker? I feel like the worst targets for Fulmentarus would be vehicles.

Praetor is strange too, if you're going to pay for the stat line of a Praetor, give him a decent weapon. Or just take a delegatus instead.

I'd split up the rapier unit into two squads, after moving the Fulmentarus to troops.

Why the Vox on the scouts? Surely an augury scanner would be more beneficial.

The searchlights on the rhinos only really benefit the rapiers, so seem pointless imo.

Suzerain are going to have a hard time doing anything without a transport, not being able to run they're very likely to just get shot to death.

violet granite
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So I was planning on having 2 hss
8 missles , 5 plasma.
But that was without a rite so the vox was for the plasma cannons but trying to get the points were annoying.
Suzerain can only take landraiders which I don't have to use got a spartan but seems like a big waste of points.
Was gonna use the suzerain as leadership buffs. And a retinue maybe
Seige Breaker was again to give the missile hss or the plasma hss sunder.
Praetor cause why not... feels sort of lacking without one. Other wise would take a armitos
Again the search lights were planned to point out targets for the hss in nightfighting missions

ripe gust
violet granite
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i was trying to think of a more ultramarines thematic yet bity list

violet granite
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@ripe gust
What if I dropped the 2 squads down to 1. 6 or 7 man unit would free up 250 points for another unit?
Maybe put infiltrate on the suzarians with a path finder? Plant them on a mid field objective for turn 2 charge

tight geyser
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Missiles on HSS are a total waste. Can’t damage dreads, and are barely competent stripping HP from Preds.

violet granite
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Give them sunder and they are pretty good at glancing things to death I have the laser destroyers and the terminators for the dreads

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They are more anit heavy infantry or anit hss than vehicle crackers anyway

kind storm
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i’d say slap the fulmentarus together into a 10 man, something with a cognis signum that is relatively punchy in cc too

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armistos maybe for the +1 to hit

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and maybe slap a delegatus in the squad instead to keep him safe

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instead of the praetor

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i’d definitely max out your hq slots though since they are massive force multipliers

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maybe bring a herald and delegatus with the fulmentarus and then a siege breaker with the hss of your choice

violet granite
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++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - XIII: Ultramarines) [1,935Pts] ++

  • Expanded Army Lists +

Expanded Army List Profiles:: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On

  • Allegiance: +

Allegiance: Loyalist

XIII: Ultramarines

  • HQ: +

Centurion [80Pts]: Autocannon (master-crafted), The Burden of Kings (Loyalist only), Warlord

. Armistos: Artificer Armour, Boarding Shield, Bolt Pistol
. Armistos

Centurion, Cataphractii [105Pts]: Herald

. Herald: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Legion Standard

. . Power Weapon: Power Sword

  • Elites: +

Fulmentarus Terminator Squad [600Pts]

. Fulmentarus Decurion: Thunder Hammer
. 4x Fulmentarus Terminator w/Power Fist: 4x Combi-Bolter, 4x Power Fist
. 4x Fulmentarus Terminator w/Power Maul: 4x Combi-Bolter, 4x Power Maul
. Fulmentarus Terminator w/Power Sword

Invictarus Suzerain Squad [175Pts]

. 5x Suzerain w/Bolt Pistol & Legatine Axe: 5x Bolt Pistol, 5x Legatine Axe

Rapier Battery [130Pts]: Laser Destroyer

. Rapier Battery w/ Legion Upgrades x2

. . Gunner: Bolt Pistol, Bolter x4

  • Troops: +

Scout Squad [125Pts]

. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter, Nuncio-Vox
. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter x4

Tactical Squad [140Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter
. Rhino Transport: Searchlights

Tactical Squad [140Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter
. Rhino Transport: Searchlights

  • Heavy Support: +

Deredeo Dreadnought Talon [225Pts]

. Legion Deredeo Dreadnought: Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter

. . Hellfire Plasma Cannonade

Heavy Support Squad [215Pts]

. Legion Support Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour
. 7x Legionaries (collective): 7x Bolt Pistol
. Legionary w/ Options: Augury Scanner, Bolt Pistol
. Missile Launcher (with frag, krak and flak missiles)

++ Total: [1,935Pts] ++

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So hss squad gets a armistos and aux scouts cant take augury (according to battlescribe)
But can spot mark for terminators and later points for storm squad.
Searchlight light up targets for lasers, terminators and Dreadnought as well as scouts (s5 rending snipers isn't bad)
Tactical and suzarian for line and moral buffs to the mid field.
Hss is my light armour poper or can mess up a deepstriking raptor unit or something on reactions thanks to the armisos warlord trait

violet granite
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@kind storm @tight geyser @ripe gust

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And 65 point spare... for something

misty sparrow
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ok

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first off is your local meta iron hands fury of the ainchents? or other literal cheese?

violet granite
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I have see a iron hand player floating around

misty sparrow
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yeah... theres no easy way to put this then

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this list is straight overpowered and will have people not wanting to play you for a second game

violet granite
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Is that just cause the 10 man Fulmentarus Terminator Squad?

misty sparrow
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yes

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5 at 2k is overpowered, this PLUS the suzerains (already hard enough to remove), added to just about every ounce of ap2 shooting this list could have, and well...

violet granite
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They ate just cataphractii with ap 2 missiles a lascannon hss should make light work of them

misty sparrow
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that also ignore line of sight on their shooting, so you just park them in the center of the board and wipe squads, dreadnoughts, and other units off the board

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that can also use your advanced reaction to return fire on stuff that didnt even target them

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is this list beatable? yes, by a very experienced player who traps you into deploying wrong. Hell id be willing to bet I could beat it with one of my EC casualnarrative* lists.

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but is this the kind of thing your local guy at the gameshop whos gotten maybe 10 games under his belt total and just spent the last 6 months painstakingly painting his army, only to have to pack up said army 30 minutes into the game, would like to face?

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no.

violet granite
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So shouldn't be a problem for the lists I've been up against before...
And don't try that shit I've tryed a solar aux army had all my tanks blow up in a line due to a single dreadnought. I've had my 3k salamanders get wiped of the table turn 2.
I've had my nightlord get consumed by Dreadnoughts that I cant kill.
Ah yes the 15 man breacher squad that lost 2 men to the 1 dreadnought wound and got sweeped.

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These players are not noobs or new players

misty sparrow
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every single thing you just listed is nowere in a league comparable to this list mate

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dreadnoughts are op yes, but this list eats 6 dreadnoughts (already a pack up and go home list) for breakfast and then asks for more

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most armies could proablably bring 3k to fight this 2k list and still lose more then half the time

violet granite
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So the terms can kill a dread a turn yep agreed ... what else can? I haven't given the infiltrate or an apothcary.
Yes the herald makes them fearless
If im not going first they will just get insta killed by lascannon hss

misty sparrow
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you literally just stay out of line of sight of said lascannons

violet granite
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The tables at my club don't have Los blocking

misty sparrow
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well then thats a fucking problem now isnt it

violet granite
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It's all 40k crap that is a marine tall maybe or just walkways

misty sparrow
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Idk, this game kinda revolves around having terrain on the board

violet granite
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Yep

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But not my club so can't really change it oh there are some crates

misty sparrow
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doesnt make this list any worse imo, and also makes it that if you go first its even worse

violet granite
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I could make it worse

misty sparrow
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yknow what go for it

violet granite
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2.5k I could add 2 loctuars squads

misty sparrow
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I cant care anymore, and honestly youd be banned from my group for even walking in with this list so what do I care

violet granite
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@misty sparrow im sorry for being childish ok agruements aside.
A. Yes I agree those terminators are powerful, but after a year and a bit I've kinda gotten sick of being slapped every time I bring a low power thematic list.
B. How would you change it then? I put this post up to see what people's suggestions would be.
C. We obviously have very different metas in our local groups. And if they were more low power thematic fun list I would 100% be behind that

kind storm
violet granite
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Well I've toned the list down a little

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@kind storm thanks for the kind words though

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2000points

Allegiance: Loyalist

XIII: Ultramarines

  • HQ: +

Centurion [80Pts]: Autocannon (master-crafted), The Burden of Kings (Loyalist only), Warlord

. Armistos: Artificer Armour, Boarding Shield, Bolt Pistol
. Armistos

Centurion, Cataphractii [120Pts]: Herald

. Herald: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Chainfist, Legion Standard

  • Elites: +

Fulmentarus Terminator Squad [305Pts]

. Fulmentarus Decurion: Thunder Hammer
. 4x Fulmentarus Terminator w/Power Maul: 4x Combi-Bolter, 4x Power Maul

Invictarus Suzerain Squad [175Pts]

. 5x Suzerain w/Bolt Pistol & Legatine Axe: 5x Bolt Pistol, 5x Legatine Axe

Rapier Battery [130Pts]: Laser Destroyer

. Rapier Battery w/ Legion Upgrades x2
. . Gunner: Bolt Pistol, Bolter x4

  • Troops: +

Scout Squad [125Pts]

. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter, Nuncio-Vox
. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Legion Scout Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter

Tactical Squad [140Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter
. Rhino Transport: Searchlights

Tactical Squad [140Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter
. Rhino Transport: Searchlights

Terminator Indomitus Squad [325Pts]

. Indomitus: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist x9
. Indomitus Sergeant: Combi-Bolter

. . Master-crafted Power Weapon: Power Sword

  • Heavy Support: +

Deredeo Dreadnought Talon [225Pts]

. Legion Deredeo Dreadnought: Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter

. . Hellfire Plasma Cannonade

Heavy Support Squad [235Pts]

. Legion Support Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Power Armour
. 8x Legionaries (collective): 8x Bolt Pistol
. Legionary w/ Options: Augury Scanner, Bolt Pistol
. Missile Launcher (with frag, krak and flak missiles)

kind storm
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honestly i’d take at least 10 of either the suzerian or fulmentarus

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cause other wise they will just get shot off the board by lascannons in one turn

violet granite
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++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - XIII: Ultramarines) [2,000Pts] ++

Allegiance: Loyalist

XIII: Ultramarines

  • HQ: +

Centurion [80Pts]: Autocannon (master-crafted), The Burden of Kings (Loyalist only), Warlord

. Armistos: Artificer Armour, Boarding Shield, Bolt Pistol
. Armistos

Centurion, Cataphractii [105Pts]: Herald

. Herald: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Legion Standard

. . Power Weapon: Power Axe

  • Elites: +

Fulmentarus Terminator Squad [600Pts]

. Fulmentarus Decurion: Thunder Hammer
. 4x Fulmentarus Terminator w/Power Fist
. 4x Fulmentarus Terminator w/Power Maul
. Fulmentarus Terminator w/Power Sword

Rapier Battery [130Pts]: Laser Destroyer

. Rapier Battery w/ Legion Upgrades x2

. . Gunner: Bolt Pistol, Bolter x4

  • Troops: +

Scout Squad [115Pts]

. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Legion Scout: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter
. Legion Scout Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Nemesis Bolter

Tactical Squad [140Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter
. Rhino Transport: Searchlights

Tactical Squad [140Pts]

. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter
. Rhino Transport: Searchlights

Terminator Indomitus Squad [280Pts]

. Indomitus: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist x7
. Indomitus Sergeant: Proteus-pattern Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer

  • Heavy Support: +

Deredeo Dreadnought Talon [225Pts]

. Legion Deredeo Dreadnought: Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter

. . Hellfire Plasma Cannonade

Heavy Support Squad [185Pts]

. Legion Support Sergeant:
. 7x Legionaries (collective):
. Missile Launcher (with frag, krak and flak missiles)

++ Total: [2,000Pts] ++

kind storm
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i like it!

violet granite
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thanks i just realised 2 tact squads and 2 fulmenarus termis squads are like 850 points haha

kind storm
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yeah for sure a lot of points haha

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they come out a bit cheaper in larger squads too which is nice

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also i pretty much will always take a multi melta on a rhino just so it still has a bit of utility beyond portable cover after the infantry have disembarked