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vagrant dirge Aug 2, 2023, 11:58 PM

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Hello <@&877302968955850772>, I'm trying to grow my force in line with our local slow grow. I've got plenty of options but would appreciate some thoughts on gap filling.

I'm currently sitting on around 2400ish, and have some flex on what to add.

I have a couple of restrictions/notes:

Can't go hard on T7+ wounds (~1 per 100pts)
No super heavies
Immortals can use chain bayonets

++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - X: Iron Hands) [2,465Pts] ++

Rite of War: Company Of Bitter Iron (IH)

HQ: +

Centurion, Cataphractii [145Pts]: Herald

. Herald: Cyber-Familiar, Gorgon Terminator Armour, Grenade Harness, Legion Standard, Thunder Hammer

Praetor, Cataphractii [220Pts]: Warlord

. Iron-Father: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Grenade Harness, Thunder Hammer

. . Iron-Father

Elites: +

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [195Pts]

. Contemptor Dreadnought: Combi-Bolter, Gravis Melta Cannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Meltagun

6x Gorgon Terminator Squad [315Pts]

. Gorgon Hammerbearer: Cyber-Familiar, Minor Combi-Weapon - Grenade Launcher
. Gorgon Terminator: Lightning Claw, Power Fist
. Gorgon Terminator: Minor Combi-Weapon - Volkite Charger
. Gorgon Terminator: Minor Combi-Weapon - Volkite Charger
. Gorgon Terminator w/Heavy Weapon: Plasma Blaster, Power Axe
. Gorgon Terminator w/Heavy Weapon: Plasma Blaster, Power Axe

Troops: +

11x Medusan Immortal Squad [245Pts]
. Immortal Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Volkite Charger
. 10x Immortal w/Volkite Charger: 10x Volkite Charger

11x Medusan Immortal Squad [245Pts]:
. Immortal Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chain Bayonet
. 10x Immortal w/Bolter: 10x Bolter + Chain Bayonet

Fast Attack: +

Javelin Squadron [180Pts]

. Javelin Land Speeder: 2x Volkite Culverins, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Heavy Bolter
. Javelin Land Speeder: 2x Volkite Culverins, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Heavy Bolter

Heavy Support: +

Deredeo Dreadnought Talon [450Pts]

. Legion Deredeo Dreadnought: Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter
Hellfire Plasma Cannonade

. Legion Deredeo Dreadnought: Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter
. . Hellfire Plasma Cannonade

Sicaran Venator Squadron [225Pts]

. Sicaran Venator: 2x Lascannons, Blessed Auto-simulacra, Heavy Bolter, Searchlights

++ Total: [2,465Pts] ++

vague river Aug 3, 2023, 2:19 AM

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Looks like a fine list, where does the iron father go? He's not a great fit with the Gorgons as he removes their ability to sweeping advance.

I'd look at morlocks for your iron father and a ride for them. Other than that maybe a ride or two for the immortals

vagrant dirge Aug 3, 2023, 2:46 AM

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Probably going to shove him into some immortals. The other option I had was to replace him with a jump pack praetor and some destroyers for vibes

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I'm wondering if I'm light on scoring and should squeeze in a recon squad or something

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Or some heavy weapon mans

vague river Aug 3, 2023, 2:54 AM

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4 scoring at 3k is fine if you're playing rulebook missions. If you're playing siege of Cthonia then yeah I'd bump the scoring up

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Mobility in your scoring would be my primary concern cos they're all walking and they're all heavy so can't run. Thus recommendation for rides

vagrant dirge Aug 3, 2023, 4:12 AM

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Is it survivability or mobility? I was thinking of meming and running a scimitar squad with a herald for late game zooms

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Everyone says no dont but bikes go fast

sly ivy Aug 3, 2023, 6:38 AM

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Some of the things I’d consider adding are Morlocks for your Iron Father to give him a more suitable escort; and a Warmonger for your Gorgons to create a Gorgonbomb - really great bit of synergy there in creating some deep strike pressure and in capitalising on Gorgon armour

vagrant dirge Aug 3, 2023, 6:42 AM

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Yeah cool, i wasn't sure if morlocks and Gorgons would be too many terminators

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If such a thing exists

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But like 800 pts in terminators stacks up a bit

vagrant dirge Aug 25, 2023, 6:26 AM

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++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - X: Iron Hands) [3,000Pts] ++

Rite of War: Company Of Bitter Iron (IH)

HQ: +

Morlock Terminator Squad [560Pts]
1x Augmentor: Cyber-Familiar, Power Fist, Volkite Culverin
1x Morlock: Legion Standard, Power Fist
3x Morlock: Power Fist, Volkite Charger

Land Raider Proteus Carrier: Blessed Auto-simulacra, Heavy Bolter, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter

Praetor, Cataphractii [225Pts]
Iron-Father: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Grenade Harness, Thunder Hammer, Combi-Weapon - Grenade Launcher

Troops: +
Assault Squad [175Pts]

Legion Assault Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Power Weapon: Power Sword
7x Legionaries (collective): 7x Bolt Pistol, 7x Chainsword
2x Legionary w/ Options: Bolt Pistol, Power Axe

Medusan Immortal Squad [235Pts]:
Immortal Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chain Bayonet
4x Immortal w/Bolter: 4x Chain Bayonet
5x Immortal w/Volkite Charger: 5x Volkite Charger

Fast Attack: +

Proteus Land Speeder Squadron [105Pts]
1x Proteus Land Speeder: Bolt Pistol, Multi-Melta, Multi-Melta

Proteus Land Speeder Squadron [105Pts]
1 x Proteus Land Speeder: Bolt Pistol, Multi-Melta, Multi-Melta

Sky-Hunter Squadron [245Pts]
1x Legion Sky-Hunter Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Volkite Culverin
1x Legion Sky-Hunter: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Volkite Culverin, Legion Vexilla
4x Legion Sky-Hunter: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Volkite Culverin

Heavy Support: +

Deredeo Dreadnought Talon [450Pts]
Legion Deredeo Dreadnought: Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, Hellfire Plasma Cannonade
Legion Deredeo Dreadnought: Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, Hellfire Plasma Cannonade

Sicaran Squadron [215Pts]
Sicaran : 2x Heavy Bolters, Blessed Auto-simulacra, Heavy Bolter, Pintle Mounted Heavy Bolter, Searchlights

Lords of War: +

Cerberus Squadron [450Pts]
Cerberus: 2x Volkite Culverins, Blessed Auto-simulacra, Searchlights

++ Total: [3,000Pts] ++

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<@&877302968955850772>

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Gave it an update, how's it vibe

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Looking for a 7/10 on the playability / power level

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Gave it a quick tidy up for legibility

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I dunno about the assault squad, or the big jetbike squad

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big footprint on the jetbikes, but they're cool

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We are playing with chain bayonets are usuable on immortals too, just incase that raises an eyebrow

sly ivy Aug 25, 2023, 6:32 AM

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Thought of leveraging the "give an IC bitter duty" a bit to embed some scary dudes into your Immortals ?

If the medusan's are footslogging, it might be worth trading the Sicaran for a Land Raider Carrier? Means you have one footslogging unit of Immortals for stay-at-home objs; and have a transport to get unit 2 further up. Unless your game plan is for your assaults to hold no mans whilst your immortals walk there which is also viable?

vagrant dirge Aug 25, 2023, 6:33 AM

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I really wanted the assault marines to be destroyers but I thought it might be getting too expensive for a unit

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I was hoping to avoid multiple raiders, as good as they are, but I suspect dual raiders is the way

sly ivy Aug 25, 2023, 6:34 AM

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That's fair, if you'd rather not have multiple raiders then don't feel forced

vagrant dirge Aug 25, 2023, 6:34 AM

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I had a jetbike command squad, which i thought was neat, but they'll just eat shots at some point and I'll be sad

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thoughts on a herald in the jetbike squad?

sly ivy Aug 25, 2023, 6:36 AM

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Take this with a salt grain, i've never used jetbikers so it's just theory. In my opinion, they're kinda antithesis to eachother? You want your jetbikes to be consistantly jumping around as they're one of the few fast units you have, but the herald encourages them to park up somewhere

vagrant dirge Aug 25, 2023, 6:37 AM

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I think that's pretty fair, I thought I'd use them as a 1 turn in-lieu unit while the masses slog up a bit

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Jump on jump off

sly ivy Aug 25, 2023, 6:38 AM

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That could work for sure, though since the sloggers can't run due to heavy my worry would start being that unless they have a taxi they'd struggle to hoof it up the board in time; I think assault marines do a good job at that for cheaper

vagrant dirge Aug 25, 2023, 6:39 AM

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What do you think about destroyers with a herald, instead of the assault marines?

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It ends up being like a 400pt squad though

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Something I was umming and arring about - every choice is slowly heading north of 300

sly ivy Aug 25, 2023, 6:39 AM

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I like that, but I am also biased because destroyers are my favourite unit

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how are you making it a 400pt squad, would you be running a 10 man of destroyers?

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also depends on what you'd like to equip them with

vagrant dirge Aug 25, 2023, 6:41 AM

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10 man with a herald, and half are serpentas

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I'd need to find a 200ish pt haircut to fit the big squad

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i'd prefer to do the destroyers cause it'd vibe and be very sick

sly ivy Aug 25, 2023, 6:42 AM

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I'd drop a deredeo, 1 is enough imo

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I run the single one in my Night Lords; he barely gets taken off the board and is still a great threat on his own

vagrant dirge Aug 25, 2023, 6:43 AM

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yeah fair

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I am actively trying to avoid going too heavy on dreads and stuff

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Cause I like having friends

sly ivy Aug 25, 2023, 6:44 AM

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ahah completely fair; there's nothing wrong with multiple dreads

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it's contemptors that are the main issue due to their rediculuosly low price floor

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I think sticking some rad launchers in the destroyer block is a good shout too; 2 small blast AP3 shots means you'll be killing an average of 5 power armour models who are trying to push you; takes some pressure off the destroyers whilst the Immortals slog up

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you could go 1 step further, and take a primus medicae as well and glue him to that block too

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Give both the Herald and the Primus Medicae a power maul and bobs your uncle, we love leveraging ID from rad grenades

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(offnote, but i'll also assume that you're play group allows the use of bayonets on immortals? RAW they can't fyi! (which is stupid))

vagrant dirge Aug 25, 2023, 6:48 AM

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Yeah thar's correct

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I think it's unanimous that it's dumb

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++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - X: Iron Hands) [3,020Pts] ++

Rite of War: Company Of Bitter Iron (IH)

HQ: +

Centurion [135Pts]: Herald
Herald: Artificer Armour, Bitter Duty (Company of Bitter Iron), Cyber-Familiar, Warhawk Jump Pack, Power Weapon: Power Maul

Morlock Terminator Squad [560Pts]

Augmentor: Cyber-Familiar, Power Fist, Volkite Culverin
Morlock: Legion Standard, Power Fist
3x Morlock: Power Fist, Volkite Charger

Praetor, Cataphractii [225Pts]
Iron-Father: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Grenade Harness, Thunder Hammer, Minor Combi-Weapon - Grenade Launcher

Elites: +

Destroyer Assault Squad [290Pts]
Destroyer Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Two Bolt Pistols, Power Maul
5x Destroyer w/2x Bolt Pistols, Chainsword: 5x Chainsword, 5x Two Bolt Pistols
2x Destroyer w/ Options: Chainsword, Missile Launcher (With suspensor web and rad missiles only)
2x Destroyer w/ Options: Chainsword, Power Maul,

Troops: +
Medusan Immortal Squad [235Pts]:
Immortal Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chain Bayonet
4x Immortal w/Bolter: 4x Chain Bayonet
5x Immortal w/Volkite Charger: 5x Volkite Charger

Medusan Immortal Squad [235Pts]:
Immortal Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Chain Bayonet
4x Immortal w/Bolter: 4x Chain Bayonet
5x Immortal w/Volkite Charger: 5x Volkite Charger

Fast Attack: +

Proteus Land Speeder Squadron [105Pts]
Proteus Land Speeder: Bolt Pistol, Multi-Melta, Multi-Melta

Sky-Hunter Squadron [210Pts]
Legion Sky-Hunter Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Volkite Culverin
Legion Sky-Hunter: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Legion Vexilla, Volkite Culverin
3x Legion Sky-Hunter: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Volkite Culverin

Heavy Support: +
Deredeo Dreadnought Talon [225Pts]
Legion Deredeo Dreadnought: Aiolos Missile Launcher, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, Hellfire Plasma Cannonade

Sicaran Omega Squadron [245Pts]
Sicaran Omega: 2x Heavy Bolters, Blessed Auto-simulacra, Heavy Bolter, Searchlights

Lords of War: +
Cerberus Squadron [450Pts]
Cerberus: 2x Volkite Culverins, Blessed Auto-simulacra, Searchlights

++ Total: [3,020Pts] ++

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Give me a second to tidy it up

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Obviously over, but something like this?

sly ivy Aug 25, 2023, 6:51 AM

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I'm a fan!

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I think it's a decent starting point; see how it plays and then adapt from there

vagrant dirge Aug 25, 2023, 6:54 AM

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thanks very much, greatly appreciate it

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I may just run the regular dakka sicaran for now, but if I'm gonna drop the dorito, going to the omega fills a similar slot

sly ivy Aug 25, 2023, 6:55 AM

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When developing it into the future, might be worth squeezing apothecaries in for the bikes and the assaults, maybe techmarines too if you're a fan but I know they're an acquired taste

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I'm a big fan of the Omega

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