IH COBI 3k | HH: Age of Darkness | Page 1

upbeat meadow Jul 27, 2023, 1:21 AM

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++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - X: Iron Hands) [2,997Pts] ++

Expanded Army Lists +

Expanded Army List Profiles:: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On

Allegiance: +

X: Iron Hands

Allegiance: Loyalist

Rite of War: +

Rite of War: The Head Of The Gorgon (IH)

HQ: +

Centurion, Cataphractii [150Pts]: Warmonger
. Legion Cataphractii Centurion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter, Gorgon Terminator Armour, Grenade Harness

Iron Father Autek Mor [510Pts]: Warlord
. Morlock Terminator Squad
. . 1) Augmentor: Chainfist, Graviton Gun
. . 2) Morlock: Chainfist, Graviton Gun
. . 2) Morlock: Chainfist, Graviton Gun
. . 2) Morlock: Chainfist, Graviton Gun

Elites: +

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [430Pts]
. Contemptor Dreadnought: Combi-Bolter, Gravis Lascannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon, Havoc Launcher
. Contemptor Dreadnought: Gravis Chainfist with in-built ranged weapon, Gravis Lascannon, Havoc Launcher, Plasma Blaster

Gorgon Terminator Squad [315Pts]
. Gorgon Hammerbearer: Magna Combi-Weapon - Plasma Gun
. Gorgon Terminator: Chainfist, Magna Combi-Weapon - Plasma Gun
. Gorgon Terminator: Chainfist, Magna Combi-Weapon - Plasma Gun
. Gorgon Terminator: Chainfist, Magna Combi-Weapon - Plasma Gun
. Gorgon Terminator w/Heavy Weapon: Chainfist, Graviton Gun

Medusan Immortal Squad [534Pts]: 7x Chain Bayonet
. Immortal Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Graviton Pistol
. 7x Immortal w/Bolter: 7x Bolter
. Immortal w/Heavy Weapon (1 in 5): Graviton Gun
. Immortal w/Heavy Weapon (1 in 5): Graviton Gun
. Land Raider Proteus Carrier: Hull (Front) Mounted Hunter-Killer Missile, Multi-Melta, Searchlights, Twin-linked Lascannon

Troops: +

Assault Squad [220Pts]: Combat Shield
. Legion Assault Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Charnabal Glaive, Graviton Pistol, Meltabombs
. 8x Legionaries (collective): 8x Bolt Pistol, 8x Chainsword
. Legionary w/ Options: Charnabal Glaive, Graviton Pistol

Tactical Squad [143Pts]
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Graviton Pistol, Magna Combi-Weapon - Plasma Gun, Power Armour
. . Chainsword: Chainsword
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter, 9x Chain Bayonet

Tactical Support Squad [365Pts]: Graviton Gun
. Legion Tactical Support Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Graviton Pistol, Power Fist
. 9x Legionaries (collective): 9x Bolt Pistol
. Rhino Transport

Heavy Support: +

Leviathan Dreadnought Talon [330Pts]
. Leviathan: Cyclonic Melta Lance, Leviathan Siege Drill, Phosphex Discharger
. . 2x Twin-linked Volkite Calivers

++ Total: [2,997Pts] ++

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JK not COBI it’s HoftG

jade compass Jul 27, 2023, 3:10 AM

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If you <@&877302968955850772> then they’ll get a notification to look at your thread

timber sun Jul 27, 2023, 3:12 AM

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Can I ask why a grav gun AND grav pistol on the support squad?

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Oh I see cause he's got a power fist instead

open edge Jul 27, 2023, 4:07 AM

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What's the game plan here? We'll be able to make better recommendations if we know that.

At the moment you're not getting much from any rite of war and your units are over equipped. Let us know what the plan is and we can give you a steer

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 5:49 AM

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RAW medusan immortals can't use chain bayonets

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Gorgons are kinda overpriced and I'm not a fan of them. I feel Indomitus termies are generally better

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Also it might be worth considering taking a drop pod for your leviathan to help alleviate their slow movement speed

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Otherwise, I think your somewhat overkitting your troops choices

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Like, grav pistols are fun and all, but your tactical sergeant really does not need a grav pistol

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Same with the combi plasma

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At most I give my sergeants artificier armor

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Maybe a power axe if I feel like it

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Oh and why give a tactical support sergeant with a grav gun, a grav pistol. Seems kinda redundant

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Oh and 99% of the time, power axes are the best melee weapon to give assault squads or other non-elite melee units

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Oh and lastly, you should really be giving your command squad the land raider not the immortals. Immortals are an anvil unit which you plop on an objective and then have them last the whole game. Without line from COBI, there's very little reason to take them, so I wouldn't bother running them in something like HOTG

open edge Jul 27, 2023, 7:33 AM

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Big ones from me are
a) defs don't run immortals unless you're running CoBI
b) land raider with the morlocks
c) cut down on your upgrades. At most your tac squads should be costing 120-130, 165 with a rhino.

You can cut a whole bunch of points from your army by dropping a tonne of upgrades, the immortals and the warmonger. With those points you can have some fun like pumping your Gorgon squad to 10 and putting them in the Spartan from the AoD box.

If you like tanks and HotG, consider some melta cannon predators to outflank

upbeat meadow Jul 27, 2023, 11:56 AM

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Dang ok sweet this was all pretty helpful. As for a game plan I don’t really have one since I don’t know how games go outside of the one I played so I kinda just throw stuff together that looked cool. I definitely remember struggling to destroy his land raider and his Termie blob so I was looking for anti tank stuff to take. I’ll cut back on the kits and probably try to remake the list with more of a game plan. Any suggestions for game plans? Lol

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I don’t think I have a preference on COBI vs HotG is there a better one?

onyx leaf Jul 27, 2023, 12:03 PM

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Do you have all these minis already?

upbeat meadow Jul 27, 2023, 12:05 PM

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Oh god no lol

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I’m going to pick up the AoD box and then I have an ass ton of 40K SM I’m going to try to sell/trade for other units I’ll need

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~~and then fire up the ol’ printer for the rest~~

onyx leaf Jul 27, 2023, 12:07 PM

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Ok! I would say Head of The Gorgon is more generalist, so you can get different stuff and chuck it in your list and it’ll benefit (stubborn in DZ, outflank vehicles). CoBI is a bit more specialised in that it only affects certain units and will influence your listbuilding more.

upbeat meadow Jul 27, 2023, 12:08 PM

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Ok sick that’s good to know

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I want to run vehicle heavy list back by Termie deathstars and supportive shooting so I guess that’s the over arching game plan?

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 12:42 PM

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I think if you plan on using the AoD box then a solid core to work with would be 2 big 20 man blobs of tactical marines each with an apothecary attached to them

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For 3k I like running 3 dreadnoughts

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3 contemptors each with melta cannon, power fist and grav gun is solid

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Not sure what to do with the cataphractii though

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Could build one of them as a command squad (preferably with thunder hammers), get a cataphractii iron father and then plop them in a land raider

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For the other I've got no clue. Maybe convert into morlocks and swap between morlocks and command squads whenever you want?

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As for the Spartan, I think something like Indomitus or tartaros terminators would work well

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Blob of 10, all with thunder hammers. And then attach whatever consul you want to them. I'd go for a chaplain personally

upbeat meadow Jul 27, 2023, 1:01 PM

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Alright got a new list

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++ Crusade Force Organisation Chart (LA - X: Iron Hands) [2,996Pts] ++

Expanded Army Lists +

Expanded Army List Profiles:: Exemplary Units On, Legacy Units On

Allegiance: +

X: Iron Hands

Allegiance: Loyalist

Rite of War: +

Rite of War: The Head Of The Gorgon (IH)

HQ: +

Centurion, Cataphractii [160Pts]
. Forge Lord: Cataphractii Terminator Armour, Chainfist, Combi-Bolter, Cyber-Familiar
. Forge Lord

Praetor, Cataphractii [720Pts]: From Hel’s Heart (Loyalist only), Warlord
. Iron-Father: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter, Gorgon Terminator Armour
. . Iron-Father
. Morlock Terminator Squad
. . 1) Augmentor: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. . 2) Morlock: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. . 2) Morlock: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. . 2) Morlock: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. . Land Raider Proteus Carrier: Multi-Melta, Searchlights, Twin-linked Lascannon

Elites: +

Apothecarion Detachment [130Pts]
. Apothecary: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol
. . Chainsword: Chainsword
. . Magna Combi-Weapon: Magna Combi-Weapon - Plasma Gun
. Apothecary: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol
. . Chainsword: Chainsword
. . Magna Combi-Weapon: Magna Combi-Weapon - Plasma Gun

Contemptor Dreadnought Talon [195Pts]
. Contemptor Dreadnought: Combi-Bolter, Gravis Lascannon, Gravis Power Fist with in-built ranged weapon

Terminator Cataphractii Squad [780Pts]
. Cataphractii Sergeant: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter, Grenade Harness
. Cataphractii: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Cataphractii: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Cataphractii: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Cataphractii: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Cataphractii: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Cataphractii: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Cataphractii: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Cataphractii w/Heavy Weapon (1 in 5): Plasma Blaster, Power Fist
. Cataphractii w/Heavy Weapon (1 in 5): Plasma Blaster, Power Fist
. Land Raider Spartan
. . Land Raider Spartan: 2x Lascannon Array, Havoc Launcher, Hull (Front) Mounted Twin-linked Lascannon, Searchlights

Troops: +

Tactical Squad [238Pts]
. Legion Tactical Sergeant: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Power Armour
. 19x Legionaries (collective): 19x Bolt Pistol, 19x Bolter, 19x Chain Bayonet

Heavy Support: +

Predator Squadron [170Pts]
. Predator: 2x Heavy Bolters, Magna-Melta Cannon, Multi-Melta, One Hull (Front) Mounted hunter-killer missile, Searchlights

++ Total: [2,996Pts] ++

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Mostly AoD stuff.
I’ve already got a contemptor so that’s why threw in the second one.
Forge father to join the Cataphractii termies in the Land Raider Spartan. More of a death star and a blob I guess.
The 2 20 man tactical blobs to just throw buckets of dice
Iron Father with Morlocks because it seems fun fluffy for IH I don’t know what I’m doing
Then the two predators to just have two cool tanks lol

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 1:07 PM

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Oh gorgon armor on iron fathers is redundant. Iron father's have a 5+++ built in, so taking gorgon armor is just going to reduce your invulvn save

onyx leaf Jul 27, 2023, 1:08 PM

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Looks good to me

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 1:08 PM

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Also I'd consider a thunder hammers on the iron father and a few less chainfists

onyx leaf Jul 27, 2023, 1:08 PM

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From here it would just be optimising

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 1:08 PM

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Something like one or two in a squad is fine I think

upbeat meadow Jul 27, 2023, 1:09 PM

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hollow moss Oh gorgon armor on iron fathers is redundant. Iron father's have a 5+++ built in...

So should he be in termie armor at all?

onyx leaf Jul 27, 2023, 1:09 PM

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Which depends on your meta/opponents etc

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 1:09 PM

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Oh and also, chainfists on iron fathers and forgelords is also redundant since both come with machinator arrays built in, which work just as well as chainfists

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So better to take a thunder hammer or power fist instead. Whatever you can fit for the points

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 1:10 PM

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upbeat meadow So should he be in termie armor at all?

If you are taking morlocks than yes

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Since morlocks are in cataphractii armor and it's good to have them match in power armor types

upbeat meadow Jul 27, 2023, 1:10 PM

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Oh right ok dope

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 1:10 PM

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That way, the whole squad will have models with the heavy sub type and thus, you can get the benefits of heavy

upbeat meadow Jul 27, 2023, 1:11 PM

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Also would it be silly to use the Iron Father from 40K as my 30k Iron Father?…

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 1:11 PM

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A thing you generally want to avoid is having only a few models with heavy in a squad, since then you are still slow but you dont get the reroll against blast and template weapons

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 1:11 PM

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upbeat meadow Also would it be silly to use the Iron Father from 40K as my 30k Iron Father?…

Depends on how much you convert and on the local guys you play with

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Also the Feirros isn't in any type of terminator armor

upbeat meadow Jul 27, 2023, 1:12 PM

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Ya that’s also true

onyx leaf Jul 27, 2023, 1:12 PM

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He’s in power armour and is quite primaris-y

upbeat meadow Jul 27, 2023, 1:12 PM

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The FW one looks odd but maybe it’s just the website

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 1:12 PM

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It's a fine model

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Bit of a pain to paint the head, but it looks quite nice

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Oh and I forgot, for morlocks you should almost always take volkite chargers since they are free and are quite good

upbeat meadow Jul 27, 2023, 1:14 PM

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Ok sweet I’ll swap that out

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 1:14 PM

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I'm not a big fan of terminator heavy weapons. I find that 1 or 2 heavy weapons isnt enough to be worth the points

onyx leaf Jul 27, 2023, 1:15 PM

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Stick a vexilla in your tactical blobs

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 1:15 PM

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I'd rather take some melee weapons instead

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Power fists mostly

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Terminators are more of a melee than a shooty unit

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 1:15 PM

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onyx leaf Stick a vexilla in your tactical blobs

Nah, better to go for augury scanners

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Without scanners the list has very few interceptor reactions, and it's good to be prepared for deep strikes

onyx leaf Jul 27, 2023, 1:17 PM

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If they’re hanging around their DZ, they’re in danger of running

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 1:18 PM

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I mean you can always just move the squad so that it's only partially in the deployment zone

onyx leaf Jul 27, 2023, 1:18 PM

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It’s also not either/or

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 1:18 PM

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And stubborn helps to avoid failing a morale test as well

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 1:19 PM

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onyx leaf It’s also not either/or

What do you mean "not either/or"?

upbeat meadow Jul 27, 2023, 1:33 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/thats-a-lot-of-words-lots-of-words-thats-a-lotta-words-lotta-words-words-gif-24037422

Tenor

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So I did drop the heavy weapons and added in more powerfists

onyx leaf Jul 27, 2023, 1:39 PM

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hollow moss What do you mean "not either/or"?

Take both!

upbeat meadow Jul 27, 2023, 1:41 PM

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Ok I think I’ve got a solid 3k list and now to just run it with proxies until I get the models built

hollow moss Jul 27, 2023, 1:45 PM

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alright, hope you have fun

#IH COBI 3k