#UM 2.5-3k Traitor Logos Lectora for an upcoming event: need to flesh out final 1000pts

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blazing light
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My area is a having an event in February and my Logos is just far enough along that I am considering bringing it. Assistance from <@&877303538051600415> is appreciated. #953771448428810312 #xiii-ultramarines

Here is what I have so far:

HQ:
-Praetor
—Paragon Blade

Retinue:
-Suzerain Invictarus (10)
—Legion Standard + Thunder hammer
—Thunder hammer x 4
--Legatine axe x 5
-Land Raider Proteus
—Front-Hull mounted TL Lascannon

-Master of Signals
—Boarding Shield
--Charnabal Sabre

-Chaplain
—Argyrum Boarding Shield
—Master-crafted Legatine Axe

TROOPS:
-Tactical Squad (10)
—Sgt Artificer, Power fist
—Chainswords
—Vexila
-Rhino

-Tactical Squad (10)
—Sgt. Artificer, Power sword
—bayonets
—Vexila
-Rhino

-Tactical Squad (10)
-Sgt. Artificer, Chainsword

-Tactical Support Squad (7)
—Sgt. Artificer, power sword
—Melta guns
-Rhino

-Tactical Support Squad (7)
—Sgt. Artificer, chainsword
—Melta guns
-Rhino

ELITES:
-Veteran Squad (5)
--Nemesis Bolters
--Chainswords
--Augury Scanner

FAST ATTACK:

HEAVY SUPPORT:
-Heavy Support Squad (5)
—Sgt Artificer
—Missile Launchers
—Augury

-Heavy Support Squad (5)
—Sgt Artificer
—Missile Launchers
—Augury

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NOTE: much of the list has been built based on what I have, so 2x ML HSS are because I had enough bits to build those. All 3x Tac squads are equipped differently because I got them built that way.

The core of this to make as much as use of the Logos commands as possible, with Heavy Support units laying down fire while 4x Rhinos move up to disgorge bolter and melta bros. Between 2x Tacs, 2x Melta-Support, and 4x Rhinos, that should be plenty of "tagging" fire to activate the UM +1BS.

A classic Line Suzerain bomb with Chaplain for extra ridiculous Death Star acts as the primary melee/counter-melee force.

Nemesis bolter vets are for selective target neutralization and counter-sniper fire since my local group loves Nemesis bolters. Almost obligatory.

Looking to flesh this out to 3000pts. Considering adding a 2nd Nemesis Vet squad.
Maybe sprinkling Techmarines into the HSS and Vets.
Heavily considering getting a lascannon HSS as well.

I'm going as much infantry as possible partially to milk the Logos as much as possible, but also because I think UM (and WB) looks awesome as tons of blue bodies on the board.

velvet pebble
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Do you have time to build some Locutarus?

chrome heath
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...why does the MoS have a boarding shield? WYSIWYG?

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Or is it so the HSS don't lose Heavy?

signal wolf
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a thunder hammer would be nice on the praetor tbh

still plover
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I didn’t think the MoS could take a boarding shield

heady condor
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I would also suggest TH over a paragon blade.

blazing light
ionic slate
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No boarding shield.

heady condor
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I was pretty sure the MoS wasn't really allowed any weapons?

ionic slate
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Oh they have a few weapons they can take.

chrome heath
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Isn't allowed double claws or a boarding shield

blazing light
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yea it's a weird weapon option for MoS

heady condor
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But it's also worth losing heavy for the +1 bs in my opinion.

chrome heath
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But amusingly, they can take the Sx2 weapons now, for whatever reason

blazing light
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I think I meant for him to have an Argyrum as well, but then realized that doesn't give Heavy so then switched it back to regular Boarding Shield forgetting that would be illegal

jolly hill
ionic slate
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I mean you're forced to take him so might as well put him to use.

heady condor
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Not often that I've seen with exception to armies that do that as a thing, and even then. It's a risk, but it's worth it.

jolly hill
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But I think losing heavy but getting 2+ to hit is a decent trade

signal wolf
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a fulmentarus squad would be a perfect addition to the list in my opinion, as they have excellent shooting and when popping the +1 ws on the whole army they can do very good in melee as well

ionic slate
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Heavy ain't doing shit against Scorpii anyway.

heady condor
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Exactly.

ionic slate
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But I'm very intrigued by the choice of missile launchers.

heady condor
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You're just going to have to accept the scorpius matchup if it happens and find another way to deal with it.

jolly hill
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blazing light
ionic slate
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It's a bad event if they don't allow legacies.

blazing light
ionic slate
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signal wolf
blazing light
ionic slate
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I definitely have strong opinions about this but it's not because of fulmentarus.

signal wolf
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also perhaps going for a contemptor in this list is a good idea

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can stand in the backline with the missle squads to act as the +1 to hit bonus since it already hits on 2's

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or can be another melee threat in the list

blazing light
blazing light
ionic slate
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Elites is a very contested spot.

blazing light
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this is the first list where I have so much room there in Elites

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Also, I can play this as either Loyalist or Traitor. I have a backstory for Traitor UM and also just to be funky cool having Traitor UM.

The other appeal of Traitor is the Traitor-only UM trait, getting that once-per-game T10.

However, is it just better to pay for a Mantle of Ultramar and take a more utilitarian WLT?

signal wolf
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i, for one, build my army heavily on shooting and a deathstar or maybe 2 along with the aegis of wisdom warlord trait for the 2 juicy reactions in the shooting phase, allowing me to counter punch in the enemy shooting phase
although i should mention in my area i play mostly against shooty armies

blazing light
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there goes the one time anyone will use the Traitor UM WLT lol

signal wolf
ionic slate
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Also excellent conversion opportunity with the traitor WLT.

blazing light
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the one time I've gotten to use it so far was against Fulgrim........who has Fleshbane

unborn lichen
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Sorry already discussed

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I hate to say this but if you want more speed in your list, you might want some Locutarii

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They’re extremely good in LL

glad tide
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I agree that Locutarii are great for a list like this, and give some extra flexibility and mobility

unborn lichen
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Use them very sparingly though.

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20 max.

glad tide
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Yeah, they’re mean to be special elite units, not everyman’s assault squad. I never run more than a single squad of them or fulmentarii or Suzerains

unborn lichen
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The issue is that they’re unbelievably undercosted for how good they are but that’s not a conversation for here

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In LL they can get WS6 with +1 to hit which is just dumb

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good, so use it (VERY SPARINGLY) though

ionic slate
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The issue is that the event may not allow legacies.

unborn lichen
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Events do that?

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That’s lame

ionic slate
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So it seems.

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I also said that was bad, this ain't 40k.

blazing light
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just found out legacies are allowed for the event

ionic slate
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Good stuff.

signal wolf
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good

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then add 5 fulmentarus, 5 to 10 locutarus and you should be good

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idk how many points you would have left after this

blazing light
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I'm at 3517pts after adding 2x5 Fulmentarus w/ power fists

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need to tweak

signal wolf
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the event is 3k, right?

blazing light
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points wise, makes sense to go power weapons on them. Real world co$t wise, power fists are easier lol

blazing light
signal wolf
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with power fists and the logos for +1 ws they are able to go toe to toe with other legion terminators if they happen to be caught in melee while also shooting a nasty overwatch

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if you give them power weapons you should avoid getting them in melee with other termies

ionic slate
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They're not tyrants so that's a bit harder.

blazing light
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I'm leaning towards Fulmentarus right now

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I think I can only get 1x squad in

chrome heath
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They are indeed expensive

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Very useful within 24", though

blazing light
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oh for sure

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and they'd be a fantastic center-line unit in my list. something that can reliably hold the center while the Rhinos race around, the big guns do what big guns do, and then the real heavy-punchers (Suzerain) are QRF or can race towards enemy priority threat

signal wolf
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but at 24" against other termies or dreads they shine

chrome heath
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Ngl I keep getting blinded by the idea of "flying thunder hammers" and forget that they have another missile type 😅

blazing light
velvet pebble
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heady condor
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If your MoS is in melee, something bad happened.

blazing light
blazing light
velvet pebble
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Cant argue with that

glad tide
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Honestly, I modeled my Fulmentarii with fists because I magnetized their missiles launchers so they could be run as basic cataphractii if I wanted

blazing light
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Here's what I am leaning towards at the moment:

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2988pts
Logos Lectora

HQ:
-Praetor
—Suzerain Invictarus (10)
—Legion Standard + Thunder hammer
—Thunder hammer + bolt pistol x 4
—Legatine Axe + bolt pistol x 5
—Land Raider Proteus
—Hull TL Lascannon
—Searchlight

-Master of Signal

-Chaplain
—Argyrum Boarding Shield
—Master-crafted Legatine Axe

TROOPS:
-Tacticals (10)
—Sgt Artificer Armor, Chainsword

-Tacticals (10)
—Sgt Artificer Armor, Power fist
—Chainsword
-Rhino
—Searchlight

-Tacticals (10)
—Sgt Artificer Armor, Power fist
—Bayonets
-Rhino
—Searchlight

-Tactical Support (6)
—Sgt Artificer Armor, power sword
—Meltaguns
-Rhino
—Searchlight

-Tactical Support (6)
—Sgt Artificer Armor, chainsword
—Meltaguns
-Rhino
—Searchlight

ELITES:
-Fulmentarus (5)
-Power Fist x 5

-Fulmentarus (5)
-Power Fist x 5

HEAVY SUPPORT:
-Heavy Support Squad (5)
—Sgt Artificer Armor
—Lascannon
—Augury Scanner

-Heavy Support Squad (5)
—Sgt Artificer Armor
—Missile Launchers
—Augury Scanner

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I could shave some points by canning Searchlights among other things....are they that important? I think we've all been spooked (pun) by facing a NL player with Night Fighting on....but in general are they worth it?

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alternatively, I can drop the 2nd Fulmentarus and put in:

  • a Techmarine with boarding shield and signus to add to the other HSS
    -a Nemesis bolter Veterans with chainswords
    -flesh out both melta Tac support squads to 7x dudes
chrome heath
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Searchlights aren't actually overly important...until you run into the one guy who insists on calling for night fighting every game because he kitted his army out for taking maximum advantage of that first turn

blazing light
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there are those who have played against that and those who will

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hence the Searchlights lol

chrome heath
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For me it wasn't the NL, it was a DG player who slapped Auguries on his HSS and walked around for nearly 2 turns of uninterrupted slaughter

blazing light
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Ouch

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Night Fighting limits shooting to 24” or less, right?

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Aka bolter units don’t have to worry

chrome heath
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24", and -1BS

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Also -1Ld

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Auguries allow you to ignore the range limitation, Voxes allow you to ignore the Ld penalty

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The Night Vision rule allows you to ignore the whole package of penalties

blazing light
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Cognis can ignore it as well?

ionic slate
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It's just the bonus to shooting I'm pretty sure.

chrome heath
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So even if you don’t activate the signum for +1BS, you can still ignore all of Night Fighting’s penalties

placid ermine
blazing light
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so after a long hiatus due to medical and personal matters (everything ok), I got another game in. It was a 2500pt version of the 3000pt version I plan on taking to the event....

blazing light
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3000pt version I plan to use for the upcoming event:

Legion: Ultramarines
Loyalty: Either
RoW: Logos Lectora
Points: 2982pts

HQ:
-Praetor
--Paragon Blade
-- Mantle of Ultramar
--WLT: Aegis of Wisdom

-Retinue Squad: Invictus Suzerain (10)
--Thunder hammer and Legion Standard x 1
--Thunder hammer and bolt pistol x 4
--Legatine Axe and bolt bistol x 5
Land Raider Proteus
--Hull-mounted TL Lascannon

Chaplain
--Legatine Axe (Master Crafted)
-Aegyrum Pattern Boarding Shield

Master of Signals

ELITES:
Fulmentarus Terminator Squad (5)
-Power fist x 5

Techmarine Covenant (2)
--Cognis Signum x2
--Boarding Shield x2

TROOPS:
-Tactical Marines (10)
--chainsword x 9
--Vexilla
-Sgt Artificer, Power Fist
Rhino

-Tactical Marines (10)
--chain bayonet x 9
--Vexilla
-Sgt Artificer, Power Fist
Rhino

-Tactical Marines (10)
-Sgt Artificer, Chainsword
Rhino

-Tactical Support (6)
--Melta gun x 7
--Sgt Artificer, Power sword
Rhino

-Tactical Support (6)
--Melta gun x 7
--Sgt Artificer, Chainsword
Rhino

HEAVY SUPPORT:
-Heavy Support Squad (5)
--Lascannon x 5
--Augury Scanner
--Sgt Artificer

-Heavy Support Squad (5)
--Lascannon x 5
--Augury Scanner
--Sgt Artificer

-Heavy Support Squad (5)
--Missile Launcher x 5
--Sgt Artificer

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Techmarines go in the lascannon squads and the MoS goes in the Missile Squad (because the lascannon squads will already be focus fired).

Preator slogs up the middle with the Fulmentarus so they have the greatest use of their weaponry and as many friendly models as possible will see the Praetor to get the buff from Aegis of Wisdom.

Tacs and Tac Support in Rhinos race up a flank and unload on stuff.

Invictarus Mary Sue-zerains with Chaplain stomp stuff.

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The 2500pt version I used yesterday was the same, except removing 1x lascannon squad + Techmarine, 1x melta squad + Rhino, the other Melta Tac Support has only 5 guys total, and the Suzerain are 8 man instead of 10.

What I learned from the recent game:

heady condor
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How are you taking Suzerains as a retinue when you're putting the praetor in the Fulmentarus squad?