Javelin Jabroni's

[deep iris]

Because for some reason this doesn't exist yet

[rotund bronze]

YIPPEE!!!

Question 1: How many Modules on a Javelin.

Question 2: What size are the rear turrets.

Question 3: Does it have any secondary torpedo or missile launchers.

Question 4: What fits in the hangar.

[plush gulch]

1. We don't know
2. We don't know
3. We don't know
4. We don't know

[rotund bronze]

[rotund bronze]

Can I ping a dev? 🥺

[rotund bronze]

Can the main turrets on the back be refitted? What does it come with?

Are they remote and where is the control station?

Will my 400i fit in the hangar?

[slim flax]

Here's some ancient videos for ya:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLqRMZb7BlM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snfEnHwtuvs

IIRC most of the turrets are current M9As (also found on the Idris-M's main turret, which are size 7)
The main turrets are supposed to be quad S9s (I think?)

[slim flax]

Old metrics at initial sale:
Top deck: 6 modular rooms
Mid deck: 2 modular component bays
Bottom deck: 4 modular component bays

Reference: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14335-Introducing-The-Javelin-Destroyer

That's pretty much all I got to dump, I'm out

[rotund bronze]

Thx! But… what’s a modular component bay?

[slim flax]

I don't even think CIG knows that at the moment.

[rotund bronze]

As long as I can add an additional 6 Capital sized shield generators when it already had 4, I’m fine with it.

[rotund bronze]

How much health does the Javs shield generators come with?

[slim flax]

Current balance:

1x S4 Shield
Polaris - 774,520 - 4,095 HP/s

2x S4 Shield
890 - 1,549,041 - 8,190 HP/s
Idris-M - 1,651,130 - 9,441 HP/s

4x S4 Shield
Javelin - ??

[rotund bronze]

So approximately 3M. Which isn’t much considering the hull will have around 10X that amount of HP.

I do hope I can put 6 shields in those rooms.

[rotund bronze]

Does it have VTOL? Why can’t it fly in atmo??

[slim flax]

It originally did, it is not intended to be in atmosphere though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGsbyOSH7-g

[rotund bronze]

Why does it not now??

Surely that must be outdated?? 60 seconds and only 3,000HP? But how?? Atleast it has an entire 1M but still.

[rotund bronze]

WHICH ONE OF YOU CALLED ME A CLOWN!?!

60 seconds is a rediculously long time!

It will never be able to regen inside combat and isn’t it already super slow!

[rotund bronze]

How much damage does one of the S9s do?

[naive sorrel]

Honestly really interesting seeing my videos here :].

[desert stirrup]

And interesting seeing my screenshots here lmao

[rotund bronze]

I still want to know where the VTOLs went though.

[plush gulch]

Great shot btw

[plush gulch]

They went AWOL

[rotund bronze]

Ooh! It does look like it has 2 smaller launchers probably to overwhelm PD!

[slim flax]

New gif, from today's video
Proper clip: https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx7uzA2x9KdHI8XTwbxOjdZF6IKjrS2s8O

[rotund bronze]

GIVE IT TO ME!!!

[rotund bronze]

I do like the Ballistics though. I wonder if they will add a S7 Railgun or Mass Driver because I don’t see lasers really cutting it.

[rotund bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-lawd-my-precious-gif-13073178

[rotund bronze]

Why does the docked Xenothreat Jav have no turrets.

[tacit field]

It would absolutely wipe the floor with the Idris if it was allowed to have its full load out but also that maybe the way Jav owners start and will have to work to get the rest of the load out which will probably require the right rep with multiple factions since it’s supposed to be an end game ship and to help avoid the P2W stigma

[rotund bronze]

P2W keeps this game alive. Embrace it.

Besides, that is a shitty decisipn that will be very hard to get.

[slim flax]

Support messages about it have been vague but there is this from 4 years ago.

IMO, It'll probably come with the old weapon sizes and styles, similar to how our Hammerhead is the older version - 2947 Flight IV models are supposed to have additional remote turrets and such.

[tacit field]

Time to spend some store credit

Who else is gonna solo their Jav

[rotund bronze]

Me!

[rotund bronze]

I thought we had a Flight 3? The only type still being decommissioned and therefore sold? And also modeled by CIG.

[slim flax]

That should be right, Flight 3 is 2854 - 2915, Flight IV is the current 2947+ UEE version

[rotund bronze]

So do we have Flight 3 or Flight 4?

[slim flax]

The Hammerhead we have has no remote turrets, so its a 3.

[rotund bronze]

I meant Javelin.

[slim flax]

Flight 3 (Javelin)'s earliest models are being retired currently

[rotund bronze]

So then that’s what we have?

[slim flax]

I guess? Keep in mind the Javelin has gone through a few iterations of guns and changes at this point, no way to really know what the player stock loadout will actually be

[rotund bronze]

But which hull is it?

[slim flax]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqv78x5ZEwE&t=745s

[slim flax]

I doubt even CIG knows, they just make shit up on the spot to make it sound good enough to sell. The Javelin was originally sold as an empty husk with no weapons, ala real world military surplus sales

[rotund bronze]

They have changed things since then right? Where does one even buy turrets? Guns can be bought but Turrets?

[slim flax]

#1252128354686206044 message

[tacit field]

dont forget kits and modules for ships will exist and since theyve said they will be able to be bought in game that means turrets and modules will become purchaseable somewhere in the verse

[rotund bronze]

That’s good. Will kits exist on the Pledge store?

[slim flax]

They sell everything, so yes.

[rotund bronze]

WHEN?

I want a conversion kit for the Quad S9 turrets into Dual S10.

[tacit field]

Not like that yet

I guess I’m wrong yes kind of like that

[rotund bronze]

Gimme the conversion kit!

Now!

[tacit field]

Wen basketball gameplay we need it for our crews on the Jav

[rotund bronze]

Yiss!

[rotund bronze]

Does it have any other sports or games?

[tacit field]

I know it has arcade games but that’s about it I’m honestly not sure why they picked basketball and not try a easier sport like soccer for the mechanics unless it’s just to use less space

[rotund bronze]

I mean, most real world hangars and open spaces have basketball because it doesn’t get in the way.

[tacit field]

I would understand basketball in the hangar but i believe there’s a dedicated area

Javelin needs a pool

[rotund bronze]

Doesn’t it have one?

[rotund bronze]

And an Arcade…?

And and Flight simulators?

And and and Sporty VR pods?

[tacit field]

Yes and the sim pods yes i think even the idris has a few sim pods

[rotund bronze]

Where??

[rotund bronze]

Can’t the Javelin simply nose up *90 degrees and hover in atmosphere? Even if it can’t land, it still has more than 1G of forward thrust, right?

[plush gulch]

If you want to burn fuel and cause wear and heat for no viable reason, sure.

[tardy hornet]

unless they change the mass it has 1.7 thrust/weight it should climb in earth like planets

[rotund bronze]

[rotund bronze]

Excellent.

[plush gulch]

I say this but live at Crusader. Floating those platforms non stop is the same thing. haha

[rotund bronze]

But Y

[rotund bronze]

The engines are just performing their normal duty.

[rotund bronze]

Atleast I won’t be vulnerable to Nine Tails.

[rotund bronze]

Reminder: You owe me money or I nuke you from Orbit.

I wonder what blades will be used for.

[rotund bronze]

PD probably…

[tacit field]

My solo jav will beat your solo jav any day

[rotund bronze]

Denied. What armament are you putting on it?

[tacit field]

Ramming nose and nitros for the engines

[rotund bronze]

S12 torpedo says hello.

[tacit field]

Size Jav torpedo just ripped through your hull while you were switching to the torpedo seat

[rotund bronze]

[tacit field]

I see I’ve left you breathless with my moves

[rotund bronze]

I am going to open your hangar bay with a gentle tap and then fire a torpedo into it.

[tacit field]

Your Jav is in pieces plus you’ve been spaced i think i have no worries at this time

[rotund bronze]

I am equipping it with 4 S9 Railguns and 2 S10 lasers. I think I'll be fine.

They will have a 2S9 > 1S10 Conversion kit, right?

[rotund bronze]

Also @quaint bane, what makes you think they are one piece and can’t rotate independently?

[quaint bane]

Look at the image

No secoondary rotation point

secondary

They can aim with SOME amount of independence,

But they dont seem to fully rotate without the turrets body partially catching up

Kinda like they have 45 Degrees of freedom before the turrets body restricts it

Correction to loadout 15x Dual size 7 guns, with 6 of those also have dual size 4 guns.

two Quad size 9 guns, poss dual size 9 's top and bottom

with two rack size 12 torps, and 6 racks with size 2 missiles, 3 per rack.

[rotund bronze]

13 turrets with 18 S7 guns. 9 of those have dual guns of dual S4 on top.

[rotund bronze]

Where are the dual S9s?

[quaint bane]

Not 9,

Six

And yes, 13 turrets

[rotund bronze]

3 on top on each side and 3 on the center bottom.

[quaint bane]

Negative, 3 on each side have the dual size 4's

The rest are normal

[rotund bronze]

The bottoms also have them.

[quaint bane]

Negative, only those have them, the sides.

[rotund bronze]

Outdated.

For shame.

[quaint bane]

Poss outdated, but even the visual examples of the ships only show the sides having them

these are the turrets ingame, during their expos

[rotund bronze]

Since when??

[quaint bane]

since the last expo where you could hop in the turrets

[rotund bronze]

Last ingame event, it only had 3 S7 bottom turrets and nothing else.

[rotund bronze]

Then what is it’s bottom anti fighter defense?

[quaint bane]

none,

none at all

[rotund bronze]

Not even the UEE would be that stupid.

[quaint bane]

Frontal guns are different design

[rotund bronze]

S5s maybe?

[quaint bane]

No, those are also size 7's but the ones on the side are the ones with two size 4's alongside size 5's

size 7's*

Now the turrets in the front look different from those which weve been inside,

[rotund bronze]

Then why are they smaller?

[quaint bane]

So worse case scenario they downgraded them,

which would turn the ship into a broadside based attacker

[rotund bronze]

Remotes maybe? But still, surely they are smaller.

[quaint bane]

which, would destroy the ships capabilities.

[rotund bronze]

And it has no bottom based AA?

…

[quaint bane]

Yep,

[rotund bronze]

I might be about to rebuy the Origin complete pack.

That is unacceptably bad.

It just… doesn’t work.

[quaint bane]

Kind of, remember fighters wont do damage to the jav at all, unless its a bomber,

and the jav is meant to be used in a fleet setting.

not solo

[rotund bronze]

And when Bombers do show up?

Which they most certainly will.

[quaint bane]

When bombers show up, hopefully as I stated before, you aren't alone and are in a fleet.

[rotund bronze]

But that doesn’t excuse it being unable to defend itself.

[quaint bane]

Which is why it has guns for above, sides and front,

[rotund bronze]

So basically the Redeemer is tied up on the bottom or the ship is vulnerable?

[quaint bane]

It has to have some gaps, and it is meant to be supported by other ships with more automated PDS like the perseus

[rotund bronze]

Why??

[quaint bane]

Because a near perfect ship ruins balance.

And look at every scifi ship example,. they always have gaps of coverage, areas where its weaker.

Do I like it, no but I understood that when I bought it,

same with every other ship.

[rotund bronze]

I did not.

[quaint bane]

Then make better decisions before buying things, best advice I can give you.

[rotund bronze]

This ship has stupid design.

Where is the dev production manager?

[quaint bane]

I'd disagree, overall ship has a good design for ship to ship combat,

As a destroyer, it will destroy all larger combat vessels.

[rotund bronze]

It always had an emphasis on broadside but can the side guns face forward?

[quaint bane]

from my understanding its a large possibility, but nothings confirmed,

And if they all can, thats an insane amount of forward firepower.

ontop of size 12 torps

which will most likely outrange all weapons possible, and gain considerable speed over distance, to allow sniping and pre bombardment of combat fleets.

and removing carriers or idris's from the playing field,

unless an idris snips a torp with the railgun lol.

[rotund bronze]

Or PDT is effective.

But the speed gain over distance should help a lot.

[quaint bane]

PDS could be effective, but it depends on overall health of the torp too since it'll be the size of some small fighters

[rotund bronze]

Hopefully it will have shields.

Being that size and all…

[quaint bane]

Maybe, that would be cool but poss reduce overall damage to

[rotund bronze]

I sure hope not.

[quaint bane]

I mean, shields would require generators or something to create it,

so it would inherently reduce the overall blast or damage.

[rotund bronze]

Batteries…?

[quaint bane]

I mean yes, inherently batteries, but those still take up space.

every new edition, fuel, engine space, especially for the size, armor, etc realistically would take up space,

Unless you made it as fragile as a torp 1 armor wise and absolutely packed that full of explosives and stuff for shrap and such, it is still gonna take up space.

[tacit field]

Is it the jav or bagel that uses the vandul engines

[barren elk]

With the copium being huffed, the jav is going to be a necessary ship to even consider fighting a Bengal if CIG is still going forward with the plan of Bengals to find and repair

[rotund bronze]

Probably Bengal since it is newer.

[rotund bronze]

Maybe. But that would result in the ships destruction. I more so assume a few Legionnaires or a torpedo bomber to break open doors and some dropships would do better to actually capture the bengal.

[quaint bane]

If you can even get close enough yes. But you can also soft death the ship, then repair it. Soft death it, then land and repair to capture.

But yes a javelin will be important to take out. And defend a captured Bengal

[rotund bronze]

That’s a lot of steps…

[quaint bane]

I mean, do you think a bengal will be easy?

Atleast this way you can stop the ship from being a threat, a small landing crew would be as good as dead unless its a pretty damn good force.

[rotund bronze]

Yes.

*For a Javelin.

[quaint bane]

Then you crazy, Bengal is meant to be attacked by MULTIPLE javelins,

that shit has more and larger weapons.

[quaint bane]

A javelin will be necessary, but it will need more then 1.

but a javelin will be an absolute amazing ship to support the bengal if you capture one.

[quick lodge]

Will it be able to land on planets?

[rotund bronze]

No and yes.

Sell cruiser now?

Carriers are multiple sizes above it but it’s still a carrier. It probably has a destroyers armament at best.

[slim flax]

It's a carrier, a Bengal can theoretically hold an entire Idris inside of it and its main gun is also about the size of an Idris. It could hold 20+ Retaliators and dozens of fighters.

[rotund bronze]

Carriers have very light armaments for their size regardless. Why would a Bengal be any different?

[slim flax]

It's really just a size difference.
89 turrets
12x Missile turrets - 18x S2 each
16 PDS - 1x S6 each
38 Remote - 2x S7 each
22 Manned - 2x S8 each
1 Main - 4x S12
12 million shield, 32k regen/s
22 m/s SCM though
This is not even including the hangar holdings

[rotund bronze]

But it's only twice as large. How can size make it heavier armed? IRL, carriers were around 10X or larger than their destroyer counterparts but were just as lightly armed. Better AA but worse anti ship armaments.

[slim flax]

That's a displacement thing more than just a physical length thing

For reference, a Nimitz aircraft carrier is 333m overall, displacement is 102,000 tons
A U.S. destroyer is 154m, displacement 2200 - 13500 tons depending on what it is (DDG(X) is the heaviest but still in concept

The Bengal's main turret is also literally called a ship buster, it's the core of the UEE's major fleet operations

[rotund bronze]

So... around 10X as large but not nearly 10X as heavily armed.

[quaint bane]

I think you forget, destroyers are meant for DPS, and high damage values, a carrier with destroyer DPS comparable to its size, which means its double a javelins DPS, is insane

It will easily destroy any javelin unsupported,

without a doubt

[quick lodge]

apparently its got 5,400 SCU of cargo how much of that is gonna be food and drinks

[rotund bronze]

Bengal or Javelin?

[rotund bronze]

But why is it's DPS the same as a destroyers? It's not a frontline ship in the first place.

[quick lodge]

javelin

[rotund bronze]

Ooh, very nice.

[slim flax]

It's a size diff. A light armament for a Bengal is "only" 1 4xS12 ship buster turret (+88 smaller turrets), other variants have 4 of those ship buster turrets

[rotund bronze]

“only.”

[quaint bane]

Because of the ship it is? The bengal isn't a traditional carrier, its a command ship, a flag ship

Its like UNSC carriers, heavily armored and still carry a large fleet of fighters, with plenty of guns

Idk how you cant wrap your head around that lol

And it IS a frontline ship, its a flag ship, meant to be at the center of a fleet, hitting hard, plenty of armor and defense, and support to fullfil all roles while in a fleet formation,

[rotund bronze]

[quaint bane]

i will slap you lol.

[rotund bronze]

[tacit field]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mountain-dew-soda-gif-17969751622822372433

[rotund bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/listen-here-you-little-shit-bird-meme-bird-listen-here-you-little-shit-gif-19221308

[rotund bronze]

What is a TCB?

[rotund bronze]

Could an Aegis Javelin defeat 1 of every other type of player ownable ship in the verse?

[quaint bane]

Yes 100%, there is no ship that could 1v1 it.

[rotund bronze]

But like, all at once?

[quaint bane]

uhhh mhmm, maybe not all at once,

But def individually and certain mix and matches of ships at the same time

[rotund bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1280947233801633934/pyro2027.gif

[zenith otter]

Tbh the jab will suck

It is too big

[tacit field]

The only jav that will suck is the severely understaffed.

[zenith otter]

They will all be understaffed

It would only be fun in an org with like 100 members at the same time

Even with ai crew

[tacit field]

No and we don’t actually know how many people will be needed since we have yet to see engineering

[tacit field]

You’ve clearly never fought a prenerf Idris if you think this

[zenith otter]

I mean crewing it

[tacit field]

I don’t think crewing them will be that hard especially with a mix of friends and ai

[quaint bane]

Even a full AI crew, Jav will still be a beast.

AI crew are best on larger ships as you dont need as much accuracy with sheer volume of fire.

Now gunships, AI not so much.

[rotund bronze]

Fake news!

[rotund bronze]

Around 66 divided by 3 shifts is 22.

15 turret operators, 2 torpedo loaders, 4 bridge crew, and 2 engineers.

[tacit field]

well see how in depth engineering is

[rotund bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676237624624676895/1278487245732577291/am-i-going-color-blind-or-is-neptune-grey-for-some-reason-v0-qu9scm6n1ojd1.gif

[rotund bronze]

What do we think of armor?

[rotund bronze]

And do we think it sucks?

[tacit field]

I think armor will change the game as we know it no more take down shields and insta kill but they’ve addressed they don’t want ships to just explode

[barren elk]

Didn't the latest ISC have something about armor?

[rotund bronze]

Yes. It appeared quite weak. Simply a penetration modifier affecting whether or not components took any interior damage or not.

[rotund bronze]

Does hull still have HP and will they take damage if it doesn't penetrate?

[rotund bronze]

Upgunned to S8?

[rotund bronze]

S8 or S9, that is the question.

[rotund bronze]

The side turrets. They look bigger than the Perseuses turrets

Why are the Perseuses turrets so small?

[rotund bronze]

And...?

[rotund bronze]

Are the Javs turrets not bespoke?

[quaint bane]

@rotund bronze

https://youtu.be/1H-0x4xk2Xk?si=9pttWMxah5tDMyZB&t=1558

Remember what i said about the turrets

the two are slaved and cant be used seperately at two different targets

man thsi video has me hyped for actual PVP large fights like this

[barren elk]

Watching this video all I could think was "damn, I own one of these".

[quaint bane]

Yeep same.

The fire power, engagements and the sheer amount of guns, made me realize about how powerful its gonna be agaist both small and large ships

and those torps DX

[rotund bronze]

Agreed! An entire 1 hour on one and… that wasn’t even all of it!

At least in this video they seemed to accelerate to a high top speed in a reasonable time.

[barren elk]

most of the engines are forward thrusting so it makes sense

[rotund bronze]

I think they used the S9 models still didn’t they?

[barren elk]

can't wait to fight some vanduul with it

[rotund bronze]

I meant the Torps X_X
The ship seemed… sluggish but at least it has auto pilot and it looked like a special nav interface.

[quaint bane]

I dont think so, torp looked massive, maybe though

[rotund bronze]

It had the S9 model. One sec.

[quaint bane]

none the less

seeing a jav fight

Made me excited asf

[rotund bronze]

NVM. You’re right.

[rotund bronze]

Very true.

[quaint bane]

Like, the cinematic of the combat in the squadron 42 video

I want THAT kind of combat,

so badly

[rotund bronze]

The gameplay was unironically the bad part.

Just make it a movie.

[quaint bane]

Really? I enjoyed the gameplay

[rotund bronze]

Why were the M9As shooting little Fireballs and not Lasers.

[quaint bane]

The large guns on the javelin?

[rotund bronze]

The S7s in the turret section.

[quaint bane]

Yeah, I mean maybe larger weapons the plasmar turns into a more unstable highly explosive and reactive material, which makes it more effective against larger ships, idk

[rotund bronze]

What is this?

[quaint bane]

it had 15 rounds each, and looked to absolutely punch holes into armir

armor

[rotund bronze]

Well I mean, it’s kinda ugly.

I was hoping for more Lasers less Fireball.

[rotund bronze]

@gentle vapor, isn’t Orion kinda huge?

[gentle vapor]

it is very huge

i may have overestimated the amonut of money you would need for a javelin

[rotund bronze]

How many crew blades does it require?

[gentle vapor]

an arrastra would probably do

[rotund bronze]

Huh??

[gentle vapor]

its actually less than you would expect

skeleton crew for orion is 4

max is 7

arrastras min is 2 and max is 5

[gentle vapor]

an orion would probably be overkill, arrastra would do just fine

then again i have no idea how much money an arrastra would make or how much a javelin would cost

take it with a grain of salt

[rotund bronze]

I heard 3m to refuel. X_X

[gentle vapor]

thats actually kind of cheap when you think about how massive the fuel tanks are

2 capital sized tanks

[rotund bronze]

That… is a lot.

[gentle vapor]

ample time to make 3 million with an arrastra

cause it is just a bit smaller than a reclaimer

[rotund bronze]

How much can it make per run? About…

[gentle vapor]

no clue, let me do the math

its not in game but my guess its probablt next year is when it gets revealed

it would be around 4.2 million per run if are fairly picky about what ores you mine @rotund bronze

[gentle vapor]

you should be able to make more than that though, due to you being able to refine everything onboard without having to pay for a station to do it

[rotund bronze]

It wasn’t on the 12-18 months list.

[gentle vapor]

in citizen con?

i believe they did say that there were some more ships coming

the ones shown werent all of them

[rotund bronze]

Eh??

[gentle vapor]

what i mean is that the ships shown is almost all of the ships that are coming, but there will be a few surprise ships aswell

I rewatched the thing this is what they said before the showcase

"This is a look at some, emphasis on some of the vehicles that we are working on in the next 12 months"

[rotund bronze]

Oh... no. More cashgrabs.

[rotund bronze]

[rotund bronze]

When were Y'all going to tell me that Javs had different modules based on date of purchase?

[rotund bronze]

[rotund bronze]

How much shield HP will all of Javelins shields have.

[somber shuttle]

currently it's something like 7 800 000 hull hp and 4 300 000 shield hp

[rotund bronze]

The shield HP is ok. The Hull HP could be multiplied by 5 for good measure.

[rotund bronze]

Also, what does it have 1/3rd of what Idris has?

[somber shuttle]

I hardly doubt the current Idris HP pool is definitive
More like something to give a chance for people to board it for special events
There’s no way it stays where it is rn

[somber shuttle]

By 5? 💀

[rotund bronze]

It is very small right now. Less than double Polaris HP.

[somber shuttle]

I agree it should go higher
But not by 5
If it’s because of the current hp pool of the Idris it makes no sense
Like 40 millions HP?

Old idris hull hp was ~ 1 500 000
Which wasn’t enough and is inferior to current Polaris hp
But I think it should sit around 6~7 000 000 today
Not 22 millions💀 PU Idris could solo the SQ42 prologue lol
And Javelin should probably sit around 20 millions
Maybe a bit more but not that much

[rotund bronze]

Based on current Idris hull, i would say 60 Million HP.

[rotund bronze]

If current Idris hull HP will be 6-10 Million, Then Javs HP should be around 30 Million. Why not?

[somber shuttle]

Because it make it almost unkillable in general for the ships who are designed to fight cap ships
Cap ships resistance should be about armour, not hp, above 10 millions already make a ship almost a god against all ships (except for Polaris)

It’s a weird example but I feel like it should be more similar to war thunder, if penetration < armour thickness/effectiveness = no penetration

That way small ship can fuck off
And cap ship can have battles where they can actually kill themselves
Im pretty sure current Idris cannot kill another idris with all of its Railgun rounds xd

[rotund bronze]

Well, that is actually a good idea. But still, it should significantly more HP than any other capital ship.

[somber shuttle]

Oh yeah for sure 100%
It’s the largest ship available for purchase, it’s his role etc…
Only other ship with more HP and « ownable » will be the Bengal once it can be built in dry docks

[rotund bronze]

But that isn’t ownable.

[somber shuttle]

That’s why I added « » and mentioned dry docks

[rotund bronze]

I just hope they go back on that is all.

[fiery glen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1308926977834487808/image.png?ex=673fb8be&is=673e673e&hm=31023e180b4cd1d771c6c4358892d55b59f999011648c94384ec4aa909e7be92&

[rotund bronze]

[rotund bronze]

When will Jav release? Surprise drop soon? We have already seen the interior.

[fiery glen]

it has a falsified flight model. and not much point in the current game. it probably needs most of a remake for engineering

[rotund bronze]

They should do so. Also, what’s wrong with its flight model?

[fiery glen]

this javelin has been ingame for walking aboard for years. but it doesnt really "fly" right, its kinda rails-y

[rotund bronze]

Hmm. I wonder when it will be updated?

[fiery glen]

when there is space for a ship like taht in game. thye said that MISC and Drake are the next manufacturors to add to after Perseus

so we'll be seeing Ironclad and StarTAC firstly. then base building

[rotund bronze]

Kraken soon?

[fiery glen]

maybe the base one, not privateer

[gentle vapor]

I mean, it is in production. Or at least it is having a similar amount of work being done on it as the perseus right now

[rotund bronze]

Does the Redeemer fit in the Javelins main hangar?

Should I try to get it or are there better things?

[gentle vapor]

The paladin is much better, its almost the same length as the redeemer but just wider

it has a quad size 5 turret and 4 size 4 pilot controlled

and the big turret and go to the top and bottom like the scorpius turret

[rotund bronze]

I’m not buying unless it’s to update the Paladin into a Redeemer.

[gentle vapor]

you do you, but do remember that they nerfed the redeemers firepower and shields- the turrets are only size 4's

[rotund bronze]

Which is why I’m only considering buying a Redeemer and not leaping for it and won’t buy a Paladin.

The shields though…

Stealth A seemed to work on Erkul. The problem is they are half as good as normal.

3K vs 6K HP.

[rotund bronze]

Y’know… I don’t think I will.

[rotund bronze]

@slate dagger, they had better not loose their vertical flight ability. The 890J currently has the same flight ability and the indicator so I’ll hope it remains the same.

[rotund bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/smooth-brain-kitty-boykisser-gif-8234569603800668383

[rotund bronze]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/290198044585230346/1197820037717827584/347_Inside_Star_Ci_1197816523800969216-Trim-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[rotund bronze]

@slim flax, Can Javelins S7 Broadside guns be replaced or are they bespoke? Has anything been said on those? And what are the default guns on the rear.

[gentle vapor]

If the squadron 42 gameplay is to be believed the s7's are just m9a's, which means they can most likely be swapped out

The big guns are probably just really big M series cannons or are bespoke

[rotund bronze]

M series guns bad. I was hoping for bespoke Railguns.

[rotund bronze]

Although with ammo costs, they might not actually be the worst.

[rotund bronze]

[rotund bronze]

Any updates on Javelin yet? Maybe from the content video?

[hazy igloo]

Do you own a javelin

[hazy igloo]

Hey

[rotund bronze]

Hello!

[rotund bronze]

Me Likey.

Turret and control systems.

[rotund bronze]

Has Kraken default Armament been stated yet?

[hazy igloo]

Yes

[rotund bronze]

Well... what is it??

[gentle vapor]

We dont know

but if the promotional material is to be believed its probably a full CF loadout

[rotund bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1347364452433133730/image0.gif

[gentle vapor]

CF's are really good though

[rotund bronze]

For fighters. Not for capital ships.

MxAs are supposedly where it’s at.

[gentle vapor]

M series have more fps but are only good against slow targets because of their low velocity, if you use the m series you lose any capability to engage fighters without help

[rotund bronze]

Mayhaps that setting that alternates fire will work.

[gentle vapor]

That wont increase their velocity

The main issue is that slower guns are way easier to dodge

And its not like your chasing them down and brawling them at like 800m in a captial ship

[rotund bronze]

So firing more often should help, right?

[gentle vapor]

i guess, but not by much

[zenith otter]

imagine putting gatlins on all of the turrets

[rotund bronze]

Is anybody else hopeful for a surprise Jav drop at ILW?

[rotund bronze]

You mean like S7Bs...?

[gentle vapor]

Borderline impossible unfortunately, im pretty sure they said it would come alongside squadron 42

[rotund bronze]

But… we have already seen the inside.

So surely, they could just… send it.

What are the spoilers??

And why else would they add S12 torpedos?

Jav is the only ship with S12 launchers.

[gentle vapor]

Oh definitely, the idris too, but they arent for reasons only chris knows

[rotund bronze]

MAYBE!

https://tenor.com/view/its-happening-friday-gif-12932795

[gentle vapor]

Proven wrong in the best way

[rotund bronze]

MORE PROOF IT IS COMING!

[terse lynx]

If the idris is released (We should be able to agree it will be released someday before Jav), do you think Jav loaner wil be updated to include Idris, and if so, what version of Idris?

[gentle vapor]

Most definitely, it would be the idris M without a doubt

[terse lynx]

I actually do doubt it. I was personally thinking idris-p was more likely, but i could see idris-m be an option. The reason for doubt is that the idris-m is generally unobtainable via normal/similiar methods. But curious to see what happens. I could even see them NOT update the loaner

[rotund bronze]

I would assume so and most likely the Idris M.

[rotund bronze]

Why would that be? I would think it would be a must since the Idris M is the most similar and largest. The P quite frankly sucks and it wouldn't make much sense to give a K.

[rotund bronze]

Rejoice for I bring more pictures of Javelin.

[rotund bronze]

Who ping??

[rotund bronze]

Who Pinged me a second time?

[rotund bronze]

I just noticed something. Can the Javelin change turret height or did they buff it so it can fire all guns forward?

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/65292/thread/some-pics-sq-42-gameplay

From here.

Credit where credit is due.

[tacit field]

I don’t see any mechanism that will allow it to change height maybe it’s just one of the many redesigns

[rotund bronze]

I still can’t shake that they look so… thin and fragile.

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/s/ljN80wVKXb

Any suggestions?

[rotund bronze]

Do we think Javelin will receive an Idris M as a loaner?

[tacit field]

Good question i think yes because Idris p wouldn’t really work and Idris p with k kit is a lot of work

[gentle vapor]

No doubt

[rotund bronze]

Eggcellent...

[rotund bronze]

50 M/S, also, where did the 32 Size 12 Torpedos go??

Cargo went up by 2000 which is nice but I am also not seeing the S4s either.

[rotund bronze]

NOOOOOO!

[barren elk]

Time to invest another 5k in the game

[rotund bronze]

Sadge.

[barren elk]

maybe that'll put me in the 25k club

[rotund bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUO5wc_a5pQ&ab_channel=IceW4ve

[rotund bronze]

It's true!

[quaint bane]

Turret heights are so they can all fire forward. To allow forward fire power to not be extremely diminished while also keeping broadside capabilities.

[rotund bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/hyper-cucumberrr-dancing-cucumber-gif-23898576

[ancient escarp]

Was it hard to get one during the waves?

[pliant iron]

I woke up 3 minues early to a wave and got one on the third refresh, milage may vary

[barren elk]

Im gonna make a guess:

Based on the following two statements:

1. Javelin is still supposed to release after SQ42

2. SQ42 actually releases in 2026

I predict that the Javelin will release IAE 2027

[rotund bronze]

In 2024, yes it was very hard. In 2025, it wasn’t hard, it was impossible.

[rotund bronze]

Idris and F8 released before. With Polaris last November and Idris now, I’m hoping Kraken this November and Javelin next Invictus. Or mayyybe Javelin this November since I heard it is mostly done.

Regardless, I’m just happy to finally have a good and reasonably functional Capital Ship.

[barren elk]

that's why i said, based on those two statements as long as they remain true

[rotund bronze]

So then it will probably release in 2026?

[barren elk]

my IAE 2027 guess was also assuming CIG takes as long as possible to release SQ42 in 2026. Like holiday season

[pliant iron]

They keep stating after SQ42, so depending on if that is early or late 2026 for SQ42, It may be a 2027 item, ILW?!?

Honestly, the Idris is big enough for the game we currently have now, and we need a place to use the Javelin (Basebuilding and raiding/ Instanced fleet battles)

There is a much better use for the ship team at the moment.

[rotund bronze]

2026ILW Hopefully.

[rotund bronze]

Mayhaps. But the Idris also has many bugs and requires kits to become a functional warship making the Jav a much better value for the money.

[pliant iron]

We'll get it soon friend, and we'll throw the biggest Javelin Yacht club party the game will ever see!

[rotund bronze]

Soon.™️

[gentle vapor]

introducing the all new, javelin P

[pliant iron]

Technically that's what we'll get, evidently it will not have the guns or military components

[gentle vapor]

Im pretty sure they walked that back

[pliant iron]

Oh?? I can go on a war torn rampage day 1?

[gentle vapor]

Im not sure, though i feel like the jav coming without guns is somewhat fair

[pliant iron]

Right? I don't mind having to source those s9 demon guns

[rotund bronze]

It has been upgraded from 8 S9 to 4 S10.

[rotund bronze]

Noooooo!

[pliant iron]

Dang, I'd almost prefer the 8 s9, but as long as the 10s are still Laser cannons I suppose I can live with it haha

[rotund bronze]

No. Bigger is better.

[pliant iron]

Are they still laser? (Subject to change surely)

[rotund bronze]

I assume so, yes.

They are bespoke now though.

[pliant iron]

Sorry, don't mean to ask like google, just most of the info about the Jav is either outdated or unavailable without 25 hours of reserch into the crevises of Reddit and old Comms

[rotund bronze]

Yea, which sucks.

[barren elk]

i hope the bespokes are still lasers as well. bespoke ballistics is cringe without reload mechanics in the game

[rotund bronze]

Bespoke Ballistics are Cringe Period.

Well, ok, a S10 might actually be good.

Y'know what, I take it back. A S10 would be good since even if a laser hits a 1HP Shield, it does no damage to hull. But other than that, Lasers for the win.

But Y'know what the solution to this is? ✨ Non bespoke weapon.✨

Now I'm kinda torn.

Y'know what, I guess maybe a Bespoke S10 Railgun wouldn't be so bad and then leave the S7s as Lasers. Yea that might be nice.

[rotund bronze]

[rotund bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/92000849236066304/1381185255741849600/fast-buy.gif

[rotund bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/squadron-42-aegis-javelin-torpedo-gif-1767650011193817431

[vast steeple]

Rename forum post to Bristerian Coping Corner

[rotund bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/javelin-star-citizen-spaceship-spacecraft-video-game-gif-17294201

Javelin soon.

[vast steeple]

Pioneer soon. We can cope together.

[rotund bronze]

#1303042776878813255

Shoo! Go to isolation cells.

Although I will probably use Pioneer to mine fuel for my Javelin.

I can build like, Hydrogen collectors. Right?

[vast steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-walk-sad-walk-qurantine-gif-20234968

[rotund bronze]

Praise Javelin!

[vast steeple]

The copium is copious.

[rotund bronze]

I am not paying 10M for Hydrogen Fuel, that’s for sure.

Which is why I will build Hydrogen Collectors with the Pioneer and Mine Quantanium with my Arrastra.

[vast steeple]

Become a gas station.

[rotund bronze]

But only for myself.

[rotund bronze]

Upgun?

[quaint bane]

If its all an up gun that is insane, but the wording doesn't make sense.

[rotund bronze]

Agreed. Mayhaps they are including PDCs in that number although I certainly wouldn’t consider those main.

[barren elk]

i think they're talking about how the guns look in SQ42

15:27 mark in the gameplay trailer

[rotund bronze]

That was the upgun from 8 S9 to 4 S10. Except now I am told that it is 2 S10 4 S9.

[quaint bane]

Which is weird

Idk, either way javelin gonna be disgusting in ship to ship combat.

[barren elk]

That's in total. It's still 4s10 guns because of the dual mega turrets. 2 per turret.

[rotund bronze]

Where did the 8 S9 come from? Were the S7s increased to S9?

Maybe 8 S9 turret? And I bet the bottom rear turret was removed for the dual S10…

Mmm, yes. I smell victory.

[barren elk]

There's 6 turrets with s7 guns. The 8 s9 weapons were the original config, 4 per big turret

[rotund bronze]

There are 9 S7 turrets. 3 on each side and 3 centerline on the bottom. But it would make sense they were made larger.

[barren elk]

I forgot about the belly ones. However the numbers still wouldn't add up if they were upgunned since you said 8 s9

I still think it's just the two big gun turrets that were upgunned to the s10

Or at least only thing we have "proof" of with the Sq42 trailer

I think the s10 turret looks cooler tbh

[rotund bronze]

Oh yeah…

[rotund bronze]

I think so as well but I’m unsure.

[rotund bronze]

Agreed.

[rotund bronze]

I would agree except now it is bespoke and probably Ballistic. As well as Prone to all the other issues Bespoke turrets have.

[rotund bronze]

Non customizability, ETC.

[green otter]

How have I only just discovered this little channel

Best screenshot I got of the Jav back when it was able to be toured

[rotund bronze]

Ooh, pretty!

[rotund bronze]

[tacit field]

thank you

[barren elk]

price increase for ships only really happens upon ship release or closer to end of development where they bump the price

[vast steeple]

A price increase to the Javelin on launch would be a little absurd I feel.

[barren elk]

CIG: Feedback heard, adding a 0 to the Javelin price.

[tropic sandal]

I’ve joined the club guys, can’t wait for us to see more of the javelin

[cunning jackal]

Can’t wait to see what modules we can fit in this bad boy

[green otter]

Welcome, join us in waiting for a ship for years, maybe light will be at the end of the tunnel with the Idris releasing now and SQ42 on the “soonTM” horizon 😂

[tropic sandal]

Yeah hopefully the javelin releases with SQ42 since the idris released early

[white basin]

Getting the javelin and bengal next patch