If you have a Borase rock with 10% Borase, then there's a high probability when the rock breaks that you'll have four smaller chunks with ~2% Borase in each
#industrial-professions
last flame
main saddle
ahh
last flame
Well, not 2% because that's not how that works, but you know what I mean
main saddle
this one was about 50% each broken rock. one was about 30%.
last flame
That must have been a pretty high Borase rock, damn
main saddle
last flame
I have never once seen that. Congratulations!
main saddle
thx. i wouldn't mind finding more of those. less stress than quant
i managed to transport a 68% load of quant 18 mil km for a tidy sum earlier
that's pretty much the most distance I could get. the beeping started after requesting landing
glacial flame
hey so out of curiosity how does cargo generally compare to mining?
assuming something like a freelancer max
last flame
Honestly, it's probably similar gains until you get into something much larger, but you also run the risk of 30ks wiping out your investment
so right now, Mining is safer in that you don't lose any aUEC if everything goes tits up
north umbra
I haven't made money in either so.. lol 😄
glacial flame
hm
north umbra
If you buy a commodity that requires refining can you refine it back in the same location?
For example if I buy quartz in Levski can I resell it back to them?
glacial flame
so max investment into something like Laranite would run me like 300k but has better gains but I wont necessarily be able to sell it quick right?
last flame
I don't think so, fbane, because you're not selling from a cargo grid when you're selling to a refinery
glacial flame
whereas if I tried like Astatine It would only run me ~90k to fill up so its way less risky
north umbra
Hmm
glacial flame
so does Astatine trading (~25k a run) compare decently with mining?
last flame
Depends on how long it takes you to buy and sell
glacial flame
or am I only doing decent with laranite at ~70k a run
last flame
because I can do anywhere from 50-150k in a mining run depending on my luck, which varies from 15 minutes to an hour, typically
because of, again, luck
glacial flame
is that with a prospector or Roc?
last flame
Prospector
glacial flame
(thanks for answering so many of my questions cause im kinda super out of my depth here)
main saddle
yup. my mining runs today with prossie were 44k, 107k, 18k, and 51k
last flame
ROC can do about 220k in a full run, but it's also a bit risky with some of the bugs it's facing
and a full run can take about an hour, depending again on luck
north umbra
You need a super stable connection for the ROC to be profitable. Prospector can be profitable much faster but its also RNG a lot more
glacial flame
hm
I think Im leaning more towards the cargo hauling tbh
but Laranite investment scares me
but I guess in terms of %of investment made in profit per run Laranite and Astatine are pretty similar
north umbra
Keep your runs short and shouldn't be so bad
glacial flame
recouping an Astatine haul takes ~3.6 runs whereas Laranite is closer to 4.3 runs
hm
north umbra
Ok this ship is cursed because I literally got a crime stat again
or something on my account is bugged
glacial flame
lol that hapened to me in my lancer at hurston the other day
ok so some quick maths suggests that i should run Laranite if Im only going to 30k/lose cargo <23% of my runs and Astatine <28%
last flame
Make sure you check on the refresh rates, as I think Laranite wasn't selling as quickly as it once was
glacial flame
yeah thats what Ive heard too
it looks ok at Area 18 i think
looks like the refresh at area18 is like 5k/min if im reading this right
is there any point in the process where your cargo is safe?
like if i land and my vehicle is stored will it be fine upon a 30k or somesuch?
pallid temple
Yes
glacial flame
ok cool then I think waiting maybe a bit to sell is more preferable to making multiple runs for a less expensive but higher demand item
glacial flame
ok whew, was jumped by a cutty when I reached Wala but was able to fight them off
feels pretty good
north umbra
or GH is taking a percentage to use their consoles 😄
finite root
https://datastudio.google.com/reporting/bd9af7c8-708d-4fb1-9a6f-9ccf52a18cb4
Just realised theres a dedicated mining channel.... This has the spawn probability for each mineral (sans the crap ones) on a per planet basis. This was datamined, rather than gathered in game. have fun!
north umbra
funny how that sort of proved what we have thought
green sundial
?
green sundial
ah ok
lyria was great for quantanium even back in 3.9
but everything is spaced out really far
last flame
Where is Lyria, ArcCorp?
crimson mantle
@north umbra @green sundial
I mean, which planets are good for hadanite has been available on SC Trade Tools for some time: https://bit.ly/3jKsV8h :)
Do you guys find value in the exact spawn rates? I personally thought averaging it out would be much more readable.
@last flame Yes, Lyria is around ArcCorp
green sundial
@crimson mantle more readable yes but people looking for specific minerals/ores will see more value in the exact probabilities
I would suggest a 2nd page which has those values
north umbra
Agreed
untold olive
I wish some of the current bugs weren't so frequent or else i'd play the game a lot more, i find fun in mining, yet when i lost anywhere from 10-60 minutes of time in a roc due to a 30k its quite sad
Not to mention the bugs i face with the prospector, I mine a full cargo hold of agricium and quantanium and the entire 100% cargo ends up being only like 50% full according to a refinery and being worth only like 20k auec
Sadly this game is still in its early reaches of its alpha stages so these issues will continue to plague, though I hope for not too long.
thorny copper
yup quantinium seems to be buggy in the prospector currently, disappears before volatile cargo warning starts often
untold olive
maybe i wasn't descriptive enough, but in more detail the refinery still gives an accurate readout of what I had, lets say that I had 50% agric, 10% quant, and rest Inert while mining, the refinery still shows those same proportions, yet there's just less of them
I still have the quantanium and everything, just in a lower quantity
It also ends up reducing the sale price of it all drastically
north umbra
So I noticing a price variance in buying and selling. I first noticed it selling only but seems to happen both sides. Known? Reasons?
cloud stump
anyone know how i get to new babbage tdd? Im tryna sell my stuff
odd hinge
yeah
take the train to the commons
and then once in there, go upstairs
and go to the hall that is directly attached
1 has a walkway to a seperate dome, not that one, but the other side
finite root
what XMLs had this data?
@green sundial its spread between a bunch of them. Specifically the ones in these paths:
\Data\Libs\Foundry\Records\harvestable\providerpresets\system\stanton
\Data\Libs\Foundry\Records\harvestable\providerpresets\system\stanton\asteroidfield
\Data\Libs\Foundry\Records\harvestable\harvestablepresets
\Data\Libs\Foundry\Records\mining\rockcompositionpresets
\Data\Libs\Foundry\Records\mining\mineableelements
@north umbra @green sundial
I mean, which planets are good for hadanite has been available on SC Trade Tools for some time: https://bit.ly/3jKsV8h :)
Do you guys find value in the exact spawn rates? I personally thought averaging it out would be much more readable.
@crimson mantle the idea with this was sorta two fold. the first was for those who are properly nerdy about it and want to balance probability vs ease whilst still min maxing. i.e lyria is best for quantanium, but the yela belt is closer to a sell point so safer.
The second reason was to automate mining the data from each build so it can be put out there as quickly as possible, without people needing to go out and find it manually
woeful gazelle
where exactly do I find this "Lagrange" 😛
also, where does Delamar asteroid belt fall in this?
@finite root
north umbra
@cloud stump if you are going to Babbage to sell then leave I suggest using the surface entrance as its much faster
earnest halo
The lagrange points are places like MIC-l1 , and HUR-l5 etc @woeful gazelle
woeful gazelle
can you even mine these? like aren't there these claims all over the place?
also I guess the travel times suck with those to sell your goods
I guess CRU-L1 -> PO would be the quickest one, travel wise
north umbra
I really hope they implement a way to get rid of unwanted cargo in a better way
finite root
also, where does Delamar asteroid belt fall in this?
@woeful gazelle delemar didn't have values of its own that I could find. I THINK it shared them with the lagrange points, I'll take a look manually in a bit
crimson mantle
The Aaron Halo encompasses the Delamar planetoid.
woeful gazelle
that sounds about right
crimson mantle
It's a different providerpreset than the Lagrange asteroid fields.
Here's the difference between it and the other asteroid fields: https://bit.ly/325qNC5 🙂
finite root
Aaah it's Aaron halo, thank you, saves me checking!
north umbra
One day I will check that place out
woeful gazelle
mining in aaron halo is what I do these days
go to delamar, then jump towards CRU-L5 for about 100000km or towards microtech for 15000km
lots of quantainium to be had
and then sell it back at delamar
north umbra
did Samsons move? or stlil in 3.11?
north umbra
Yeah all the old guides pre-date 3.11
crimson mantle
@north umbra According to my database, it's located here:
- 357km from ArcCorp Mining Area 045
- 312km from ArcCorp Mining Area 048
- 433km from ArcCorp Mining Area 056
crimson mantle
Well, you can triangulate with the 3 measures 😄
north umbra
your funny! lol
sage geyser
beside arial is there another good place to roc mining hadanite?
mortal linden
@sage geyser judging by Org mates' experience and some data mining, Aberdeen is the best place for Hadanite ROC mining.
pallid temple
Its not
finite root
aberdeen has the highest concetrations of hadanite
arial is second best, daymar 3rd. daymar is my preference because you can get to PO quickly, and the spawns aren't that much worse than aberdeen
pallid temple
Aberdeen may have Hadanite, but the terrain makes it bad
Arial is flatter than Aberdeen
mortal linden
Or mine at flat areas of Aberdeen. 
hallow fractal
Why would go all the way to PO when you can sell the hadnite at one of the trading terminals on daymar? Buy price that much different?
green sundial
buy price isn't different between terminals for gems
untold olive
I've heard some people talk about the Argo being able to mine bigger asteroids, but does that mean prospector sized or something bigger?
north umbra
Prosp and Mole can mine the same thing
errant nova
They mean that with 3 lasers going at once the Mole can crack tougher rocks than a lone prospector can.
green sundial
^
north umbra
Well yeah but that also takes a very coordinated team 😄
@crimson mantle I'm not sure if I'm missing it, but is it possible to select a bunch of places in your "Shops" side and have a list of everything? Right now it seems like you can only choose one place
crimson mantle
@north umbra On this page? https://sc-trade.tools/shops
north umbra
ah
crimson mantle
If you want a specific commodity, there's another page for that.
What are you trying to do? I might consider adding another page for a novel use-case!
north umbra
Well I was just thinking it would be nice to say select a sector say "ArcCorp" and see a list of all the shops and what they are selling. This way if I'm playing it lets me plan out routes easier.
crimson mantle
Would white-listing the parent location "ArcCorp" in the trade routes be ok? https://bit.ly/34NMYOP (See locations filters)
north umbra
So I tried that it didn't seem to really accomplish what I was thinking
fickle zephyr
if im in arccorp system and heading towards say PO, it would be nice to get a list of the best stuff to buy in arccorp and sell in PO
north umbra
I'm not sure what the limitations of the site are but basically I was thinking of a list that came out with the Locations in a drop down table header that showed the stuff they sold
fickle zephyr
en rout can sort of do it
crimson mantle
So you're sort of looking for https://sc-trade.tools/en-route, but with planetary systems as origins/destinations (instead of precise shops)?
It's in the plans: https://github.com/EtienneLamoureux/sc-trade-tools/issues/45, but there's technical limitations with the current system (it's a pretty small server).
I'll look into it soon though!
fickle zephyr
cool
north umbra
maybe I need to figure out this enroute tool
crimson mantle
Well, origin, destination. Then there's the 2 sliders for detours and intermediate stops.
I'm happy to hear any feedback!
crimson mantle
Yup, usually the profits are not fantastic with a given start and end, but at least it's not 0!
north umbra
haulin that scrap lol
late delta
So I'm mining in a ROC and to mine extra I turn some of them into boxes and now I can't access the ore or sell it anywhere... what am I doing wrong?
north umbra
I thought you had to put those into your ship?
late delta
They're in my cutlass
Terminal says i have 0scu and nothing to select
Wait
I think I know what I did wrong
north umbra
Go trams to pickup some laranite.. gone
Go to uh.. another place for Distilled.. gone
Go to PO for med supplies.. gone
😦
@fickle zephyr It would rely on your ship being in good standing. Otherwise you go hab -> ship terminal -> trade terminal -> summon ship -> space port
The best I was at Tram and some group showed up and grabbed my ship. They thought I had bought cargo but didn't. So they returned my ship
fickle zephyr
the tool shows a route from area18 to PO and suggests stopping at baijini to buy scrap when you can buy that at area18 at the same price
north umbra
Yes. So you start a new game. Hab -> Ship Spawn -> Baijini -> Po
last flame
Yeah, don't try the trade routes that are being advertised on popular videos. They're going to be ran to death
fickle zephyr
it no where close as bad as in the end of 3.10
but at least you didnt loose your cargo often then
when titanium prices were regularly so bad that you made more on diamond
north umbra
QB boost to Everus Harbor and ship goes and I stay behind 😦
crimson mantle
@fickle zephyr You had me do a double-take with that Scrap route!
Since both TDD and Baijini point sell for the same price, and going to TDD or Baijini is an additional step, the system picks a route at random between the 2.
north umbra
On smaller ships like the MISC Freelancer which hauls 66 units whats a good average on profit? Or is that too hard to determine?
crimson mantle
I would say 13k is a good run.
crimson mantle
@north umbra I was looking at optimistic Astatine runs to determine that profit
north umbra
Well I did one run but only made like $1500
Not sustainable money to be making money
crimson mantle
You could always do titanium for about 10k/run.
That is usually more stable.
Diamonds are about the same profit.
north umbra
Wish we could see real time data for pricing lol
fickle zephyr
but TDD, Admin and hab is right next to each other in a18
north umbra
web based 😉
fickle zephyr
in a freelancer you have more options, much more shops will fill or empty even a freelancer max than a cat
north umbra
only have the misc .. not max 😦
fickle zephyr
like astatine that you can buy on one outpost and sell on another on the same moon
or destilled spirits, medical supply and stuff
that ouposts only want 50 or 100 units of
north umbra
I just want to break 500k
fickle zephyr
even if the profit of 1 load is maybe half of a load with laranite from wala to area 18, its short travels between outposts
i dont think it will be even half
if you want to do the big risk big buck agricium and laranite is where its at
the volumes available is gonna be good for freelancer
north umbra
any run that makes me go into a city is an immediate uggggggggggggggggggh
north umbra
sigh Went to bezdek for titanium... nothing
fickle zephyr
wait a couple of minutes and there will be more
north umbra
I know but this is my issue with this
fickle zephyr
bezdek and lathan have huge titanium refill rates
fickle zephyr
it can also be a bug that nothing shows in the terminal
north umbra
of course it would be a bug for me 😄
fickle zephyr
that will also fix itself on the next stock update between the terminal and server
think of this
im pretty sure every single space station
like HUR-L1 or CRU-L5
wants 160 units of medical supply each
thats a good freelancer profit
and also every or almost every outpost wants some medical supply
i think mining areas wants most
north umbra
welp Lathan and Bezdek = nothing to sell
north umbra
Yeah but it shows nothing. Like you can't buy a thing
fickle zephyr
i have never timed it
there is no reasonable situation where everything would be bought up, like even iodine or aluminium
unless we have a new exploit like the one in 3.10 
north umbra
like I'm really not trying to me all groany about this, but I'm seriously just having the worst luck. How can two outpost show nothing to purchase
that seems odd
fickle zephyr
that has happened sometimes to me
fickle zephyr
i hope it was still empty
north umbra
It was. As per that screen nothing I could buy
fickle zephyr
this is why im not trading
north umbra
thing is.. mining or trading neither has gone well for me
fickle zephyr
you tried the rental prospector yesterday right?
north umbra
Yup and its fruitless unless you upgrade the head
north umbra
I have the ROC. Would get to 25-30% loads and game would disconnect 😄
fickle zephyr
you can store 40k worth of hadanite in novikov
and unequip
and it will still be there
and there is macflex rucksack and pembroke backpack
move it from ROC to the armours
not the leg space, that disapears
north umbra
Yeah I'll be trying that next
fickle zephyr
i take the ROC out sometimes for variation and i stuff the first part up in those
then thats even safe from pirates
i wonder if i have unsold hadanite in any armour
north umbra
sigh
last flame
Wrong console
north umbra
Refinery doesn't work
last flame
Where are you at?
north umbra
lorville
last flame
Admin office?
north umbra
yup
last flame
Huh. Must be a server thing
north umbra
this has gone on for me for a few days now
Terminal finally came up. Still can't sell
last flame
... why is it trying to sell from your Cutlass..
you Cutlass can't store mined minerals...
north umbra
Cause I used it
I bought them
Flew Cutlass to Lathan, picked up Laranite. Flew back to Lorville to sell
last flame
Oh it's a commodity, no wonder. It's not going to sell at a Refinery, because it's already refined
You need to find some place that will buy Laranite
north umbra
Well Lorville is supposed too 😄
north umbra
well lets figure out ohw to get there
last flame
You can take the train from Levesden station or whatever it is right next to the admin office
north umbra
why would there be a difference?
rare gate
different terminals or rather their "owners" sell and buy different commodities for different values
as example at ArcCorp you would be able to sell Laranite to the TDD terminals but not to the terminals at the ArcCorp HQ
both are "just" commodity terminals
north umbra
So this is confusing then lol
crimson mantle
Well, I'm doing the best I can with the data :D
Refinery terminals can only be interacted with by the mining ships.
north umbra
Not blaming you lol
crimson mantle
So, only the MOLE and Prospector can sell to those
It's doubly confusing because in the data, what the Prospector mines is exactly the same Laranite that gets bought/sold anywhere else!
north umbra
lol sorry didn't mean to pick things apart 😄
rare gate
the difference is probably only the packaging
crimson mantle
Maybe with the refinery decks they'll update it so there's Lararite ore and "normal" Laranite
@north umbra No worries! I have to leave those terminals in because miners need to know where to sell.
The refinery terminals shouldn't show up in the trade routes though.
north umbra
could you perhaps make those ones a diff color?
crimson mantle
Yeah probably. I'll wait and see how the refinery decks will shake things up and adjust from there!
north umbra
@rare gate CBD was the key to selling. Thanks
crimson mantle
They are all called "Refinery terminal", just so you know which ones to avoid.
crimson mantle
That's an idea. I'll look into it for the next release!
north umbra
Just thinking which could be easier. Or even perhaps for now a note on the page to say "Refinery Terminals will only sell from Prospector/MOLE"
rare gate
@rare gate CBD was the key to selling. Thanks
@north umbra @last flame came up with the CBD, but you're welcome anyway
rare gate
👍
north umbra
Would you travel from Bezdek to Lorvill or Bezdek to PO?
north umbra
Alright think I'm gonna rent a better cargo hauler. I swear that MIS Freelancer is cursed
hrm no good cargo haulers for rent
fickle zephyr
no its silly that you cant rent freelancer max
andromeda is far to expensive to rent for the cargo
north umbra
Yeah just gotta use my trusty cutty
fickle zephyr
i wish they would implement so players can rent ships from each other
north umbra
RIP
fickle zephyr
i have similar luck
but more like -5 mil
mining is the only thing i manage to turn a profit on
one 19% quant stone
glacial flame
damn
so how does quant mining work?
Im kinda curious
it seems the most interesting kind of mining
meager jetty
mining quant is the same as mining everything else, the only difference is that it explodes after about 15 mins
fickle zephyr
a bit more than 15min
hardy ravine
rocks are a bit harder sometimes
tardy flower
rocks are a bit harder sometimes
@hardy ravine sweeter with Whisky
last flame
That's the biggest thing. While you mine it the same way as everything else, Quantanium has a very high instability rating, and a very small green zone
north umbra
You really need to make sure too that you know your path at where your going to sell because by the time you land you usually don't have much time. There are ways to help not have it decay but its still un-nerving to mine/haul
north umbra
So neither Levski or GH are good starting points for a trade run
north umbra
Yeah I think I'll leave Levski and head to Cellin
mighty hamlet
hey guys, only played a little during 3.11 is the mining working this patch? thinking of get my mole out for some grinding, keep losing money running trade lol
north umbra
Yeah lots of people are mining
mighty hamlet
sweet, looks like ill be hitting ariel for my 175k runs today then
thorny copper
yup trade is hazardous for your sanity right now
north umbra
lol everything is hazardous. I've been trying to break 500k for almost a week
mighty hamlet
oh i broke that over and over again just tired of losing my investment in trade right now
i get up to titanium and laranite and boom everytime lose a load
mighty hamlet
atleast mining when i crash i only lose whats been mined
thorny copper
yeah losing time vs losing time and investment
mighty hamlet
yeah i lost a load of diamond, 331k and a load of titanium and laranite lol
north umbra
Tried mining with a roc only ever get about 20-30% full and crash; Tried a rental prospector just not worth it. Trying trade running now lol
mighty hamlet
i mine with a mole and trade wit a cat
thorny copper
doesnt help either that vehichle claim ate pretty much all my modules and weapons I had mounted on most of my ships
mighty hamlet
i know a fix for that
nightman
go to your hangar and pull the modules off those duplicate ships there
then itll be in your inventory
works everytime
thorny copper
I only got dupes of one or two ships I think
mighty hamlet
yeah go to your hangar and pull the modules off the ship in there
youll still have them
thorny copper
I'll have a look but been a few weeks since they vanished
thx
I still have yet to figure out how to actually spawn a ship in hangar tho lol
was told there would be blue dots on the ground or whatnot
thorny copper
but you can access vehicle loadout etc from hangar?
north umbra
Yeah don't need to spawn
thorny copper
ok
north umbra
Its how you can put a new head on the rental prosp lol
thorny copper
yea I did that once, then I lost it because I forgot and claimed the pros
mighty hamlet
yeah u can access it without spawning it
thorny copper
north umbra
Once again.. 30k
Think I'm done with this for a bit and will wait for 3.12 or the next patch
glacial flame
is 3.12 introducing the new cargo types?
I heard some mention about new cargo types a little bit ago but don't remember where, mayube it was an ISC?
odd hinge
no
they have mentioned during ISC that the design artists were working on the assets for it though
tardy flower
@glacial flame 3.12 introduction rafinery deck
plucky coral
freeflight
date
pls
tame elbow
Possibly the 20th when IAE starts. They haven't said they will even have one
midnight egret
So for ease of use / comfort for large-quantity cargo (ability to land at sites / flight through atmo, etc) which is better the Cat or the Carrack?
last flame
Ability to land at sites and fly though atmo, I'd personally say Carrack. But I haven't flown a Cat in a long time, so don't know how it handles by comparison
maybe get in-game and have someone show you theirs. They tend to be pretty happy to show off their ships
fickle zephyr
cat have slow pitch
but it breaks fast
easy to fly but not much room for improvement with skill
carrack would have to do 180 and burn main thrustors against the flight direction to break effectively
and drink fuel
but fuel is cheap to free now so
thats just my point of view after using both regularly during freefly and owning a cat
green sundial
dark horse candidate: C2 Hercules 😄
last flame
Can't fly the C2 right now, so it's a moot point.
green sundial
Soon™
dreamy bronze
Does anyone know best option for a land vehicle that can mine? Needs to be able to fit in a Cutty Black
crimson mantle
@dreamy bronze There's only one option: the ROC
dreamy bronze
K
crimson mantle
You can get it at Lorville for 172k: https://finder.deepspacecrew.com/ShipShops1/62e33393-5d68-4191-aba5-3b81ce4f3bf9
dreamy bronze
Will it fit? (No pun intended)
crimson mantle
Yes, it fits in the Cutlass black no problem. Just make sure to turn off the weapons when you enter the cutlass to prevent glitches.
crimson mantle
All lands vehicles usually are 🙂
For the best places to mine, feel free to check https://sc-trade.tools/mining
idle harbor
does the roc fit inside the regular freelancer
sturdy pelican
@north umbra yeah man, basically stopped playing again because of 30k
brutal as a trader
i lost about 1M in 1 day lol
north umbra
Not even trading it makes doing anything frustrating. I am a new player of 2 weeks and I'm lucky to get a solid 15-20 mins play then server issues
midnight egret
Anyone been able to use a ROC with a 600i or is the elevator bugging out for you?
digital thorn
all those elevators bug out frequently with vehicles
dusty copper
Is the ROC bugged at the moment? It wont collect any ore.
crimson mantle
@dusty copper The ROC's collection beam is severely affected by server lag: you need to stay on the fragments a long time if they aren't getting vacuumed.
dusty copper
Ooofff, I spent a good 4hrs for 10% cargo, its not really possible when the ROC slides around the entire time and the peices of ore spread out over a square kilometer.
Also now I cant change parts on rented prospector, and cant do anything with the default mining laser, i don't know what to do for money.
😦
north umbra
Turn off engines to stop the sliding but its still rough
bright gate
Note: sometimes the ROC mining arm shoots straight up for no reason. If this happens while in a Cutlass, it will clip the ceiling and jump all over the place, possibly getting stuck, or self destruction. Keep an eye o. It while in there and be quick about retracting the arm ("M") if that happens.
green sundial
make sure to back the ROC into the cutlass so you can easily get out and move around
if you drive in front first it can cause problems going to the ramp from the cockpit
not alot of room
north umbra
Well either direction poses issues. Example I was unloading my ROC and my ship wasn't quite flat amd physics decided to swat my ROC quite a distance away 🤪
No matter what you do something will happen.
hollow sedge
Im wanting to get into trading
north umbra
Don't
hollow sedge
why
north umbra
Unless you can guarantee a 100% stable connection you are going to lose money.
hollow sedge
sad
north umbra
I lost over 200k in the last few days
north umbra
You can but keep routes short
crimson mantle
Well, you have to understand how the game works and saves your ships: every time you request docking permission, or actually dock, your ship is saved at that location.
So, to minimize risk, you can do a quick fly-by to the nearby space station to set it as your save point.
It doesn't make it 100% safe or course, but it helps a bit.
People lose money because usually, before a server crash, their ship gets saved at the outpost (which can't spawn their ships). So they have to insurance claim it.
north umbra
even just talking to ATC sets it as your save point
fickle zephyr
there is a million bugs that eat your cargo in 3.11
in 3.10 we only had 30k
sweet times
untold olive
I occasionally find rocks in space that i cant scan with my prospector, am i correct in assuming these are for the Argo?
fickle zephyr
now ships despawn in front of your eyes, ships falling thru the surface, quantum travel ending inside planets or 500m above inside a building and more exiting stuff
@untold olive you can use prospector too
1 helix laser is enough for 99.9% of the rocks
untold olive
no, like they show as normal rocks with the icon, but neither mining mode nor the tab scan menu is able to derive what they are
I held a helix laser on it at 100% and it did nothing to it after a minute
untold olive
so i guess that asteroid type is completely unfunctional in this patch cause i've seen it in a dozen different servers
all have the same model
fickle zephyr
if it happens on like 3 rock clusters in a row i jump server
or if its getting extra frequent in general
north umbra
I've seen it with asteroids and rocks on surface
fickle zephyr
if its more than like 10% of all the locations something is wrong
untold olive
I find it just as much as i do normal rocks no matter the server
fickle zephyr
when i have been in a party with 2 ships mining its the same rocks thats unscanneable for both ships
untold olive
good to know
fickle zephyr
so it must be on the server
untold olive
yeah
fickle zephyr
i have traded several runs today in microtech
with no cargo loss
but when i got out of quantum trivel with empty cat at an outpost on Clio and started accelerating towards the outpost, entire Clio started spinning around the cat, ant kept on spinning when the ship was at 0 speed
soooo i stoped trading
there is really few trading
i had all the limited stocks by myself
800k profit
in like 2h
maybe 3
no wait
i bought a bunch of modules
green sundial
modules good
north umbra
Modules?
green sundial
components
fickle zephyr
TS2 quantum drive among others
expensive upgrade from stock on cat
to just get a bit faster spooling
and a little bit faster
not worth it
green sundial
it drinks too much fuel over the stock that imo its not worth it
hot umbra
You guys think there will demand for escorts (not the other kind lol)?
For example a cutlass with a small crew that escorts cargo ships for protection
fickle zephyr
it made sense during vanduul mask event
i would rather hire pilots right now
although a second person that doesnt leave the cat while parked at outposts to prevent ship despawning could be a thing
and cat turrets are good
it drinks too much fuel over the stock that imo its not worth it
@green sundial 78 Mkm range instead of 90
green sundial
it adds up over time, though
north umbra
If they don't bug out
fickle zephyr
it is nice to just not refuel the cat and have the fuel last for an entire trading shift
lofty sluice
If i am mining on Lyria, do I have to head back to Area 18 to sell, or is there a QT point on Lyria I can head to instead?
dusty coyote
never try to sell items seriously at big cities
takes forever
they're very pretty though, so if you feel like experiencing sc a little more go for it
but if you just want to make bank don't
lofty sluice
Not for minerals, the refinery terminals are instant, there are no limits like trading goods
dusty coyote
it'll get annoying fast if you don't care about how it looks
no i mean
you have to get on the train, you have to run through quite a bit of hallways and stuff
i know lorville takes absolutely forever to get to a trade terminal
lofty sluice
Ah yeah, that is why I was asking if there is a spot on Lyria to sell instead of heading into Area 18
I tried a few of the mining outposts on Lyria, but there weren't any options there outside of the cargo terminals
dusty coyote
yeahhh
maybe choose a different spot to mine
one where you can head to a station easily
i normally ROC mine on Arial, then can head to Everus Harbor and sell relatively quickly
north umbra
You should be able to sell your mining goods at a outpost on the planet
cerulean sorrel
@hot umbra I used to see players asking for escorts before. Since turrets have improved, though, I believe players are just manning turrets instead to keep protected.
fickle zephyr
there is refinery in the cities, port olisar, grim hex and levski
if you have quantinium you have to go to a18 from lyria
crimson mantle
@lofty sluice There definitely ARE limits to selling raw ores, like everything else! But you're right in that it's usually high enough to not make a difference.
All the refinery terminals are listed here: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Quantainium 🙂
fickle zephyr
"October saw the Modular Team wrap up work on the refinery decks, including finalizing the art and putting the finishing touches to the dressing and world-building. The decks have now been handed over to the Audio, Lighting, and VFX teams for final polish work."
refinery decks on all stations with cargo decks i assume
lofty sluice
Thanks @crimson mantle definitely helps! I just barely made it to Area 18 after mining some quant 🙂
north umbra
when you get to A18 IMMEDIATELY store your ship
lofty sluice
I didn't think storing helped with Quant?
north umbra
stops the decay
fickle zephyr
hover over not your designated hangar, in 1min the ship will be stored with a 500 credit fine
while waiting that minute, suicide and walk to the right from habs
you will get a notice with a countdown to parking violation if the hangar is not just cosmetic
you can even store the ship without storing yourself with parking violation in other places than lorville and a18
thats how i did with 2 cats selling at NB, take out the cats from bajini point, the first cat i park in violation at NB and suicide back to bajini point to take the next cat and fill
and then sell from both at the same time
then i claim one and take the other back to save me in bajini point again and repeat
tardy flower
@fickle zephyr suicide is never an option 😉
north umbra
So I've come to start doing sanity checks when playing and I think it may help with mining. One of the things I've noticed is that when I get onto a server it will not show me xx/xx of people on it.
So I will connect again and the same, then connect again and then I will see like 25/49
At that point I find server stability is good and haven't had many issues
mortal linden
If you're not an owner of god-like PC and fps in cities suddenly goes x1.5 - x2 of your usual, you can safely leave that server, it'll die in 5-10 minutes
paper forge
Is there any workaround to prevent ships despawning once landed into planet?
pallid temple
No
north umbra
yah that one sucks
naive maple
Any stable trade routes netting over 200k per run?
naive maple
By Stable I mean, Where there aren’t problems with supply and demand
fickle zephyr
medical supplies, agricium and laranite will net you 200k or more with a full cat but they all have inventorey and refill limitations to a greater extent than titanium and diamond
agricium has tiny stocks
naive maple
Right... like Lorville buys all of everything as far as I’ve experienced
fickle zephyr
if no one else is selling medical supplies at lorville it should be reasonably "stable" by your definition
1 cat going back and forth with medical supply is about the limit of what any big city handles
with a freelancer max you could fill it with laranite in one purchase
but you will need to fill a cat for 300k profit
crimson mantle
@naive maple Laranite will net 346k, Agricium 288k, Astatine 115k.
That being said, there's always something wrong with the stock of such rare commodities! :)
Also of note: nowhere can buy a caterpillar load of medical supply in a reasonable amount of time: even at cities it would take over 5h.
last flame
So at present, you'd really only take a Caterpillar load of basically scrap, at this point
since it's the current commodity with such a high supply?
crimson mantle
Titanium, diamond and gold are not too bad and better profit.
Scrap is good is you want to avoid atmospheres altogether.
The commodity with the most supply is actually Processed Food!
fickle zephyr
39 minutes to sell medical supply at NB if their stock is already full
shave off a minute maybe by going back and forth to the admin terminal to sell 10 scu extra each update
if no one else is selling medical supplies at NB it would be half time waiting to sell and half time running the route
or do every other run with it
its safe to wait with a stored cat
i think of it like admin buys whats needed for the city and TDD or CBD buys whats needed for the rest of the planet or all the factories
signal pilot
If I told you then I’d lose my trade route. Eat crow. 😀
north umbra
is there only 1 door into a cat?
fickle zephyr
from the ground yes
bleak lance
how long does it take for laranite to restock on wala? i bought 90 SCU and waiting for 10 min but i cant buy any, its all red
fickle zephyr
i have never timed it, it can take a while
i wouldnt risk wait time with the high cargo loss rate this patch
bleak lance
i mean 30k has been high risk for a while lol
fickle zephyr
i have done it and i regret it
its much more than 30k in this patch
the wildest thing that happened to me was when clio started to spin around the cat
naive maple
@crimson mantle I was thinking of which 2-3 stops I could compile before emptying the whole thing in Lorville and restarting the route
crimson mantle
@bleak lance
Max 50 000 units + 500/min. That's 5 SCU/min, if no one else is buying it in other servers.
https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Laranite
@naive maple You're free to come up with your own trade routes! They might be less frequented 🙂
fickle zephyr
there is 2 places on wala
one replenish at 20 scu/min
thats 28 minutes to fill a cat and wait for bugs
if its empty when you arrive
bleak lance
thats not bad
fickle zephyr
i made some timings
On foot with undersuit, times will vary depending on train wait times
a18: 5min from hab to hangar (average wait time)
lorville: 4min from hab to hangar (no wait time)
lorville CBD: 5min one way between hangar and trade terminal (average wait time)
i can add a18: 1min from hab to TDD
mortal linden
At New Babbage you can land ~500m away from the market terminal
fickle zephyr
500m sounds optimistic
i prefere to store the ship for safety
especially when trading with more than 1 cat without hiring pilots
mortal linden
I store it using the surface garage.
If you land right in front of it, ship gets stored at New Babage in 1 minute or so.
So my loop is: land in fron of the garage, run to the trade terminal inside, ship gets stored on your way there, sell stuff, go to spaceport, request ship, go get more cargo.
It's kinda scarry how Cat just disappeares without any notice, but it works ~8/10 time. The rest 2 times ship just stays there the whole time.
crimson mantle
@bleak lance if you don't mind waiting to sell your commodities, feel free to check the "Allow wait times" option in https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes 🙂
It's off by default, but it can be enabled!
gaunt zenith
Where is the best place to sell medical supplies
crimson mantle
@gaunt zenith It's bought for almost the same everywhere: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Medical Supplies
gaunt zenith
ok thanks
crimson mantle
Please note that only small amounts can be sold at a time
north umbra
I know data is shared across servers but would a terminal selling Med in PO have the same as Everus?
crimson mantle
No, shops are "global", as in their inventory is the same across servers, but different shops have different stocks
PO is the same as the PO on another server 🙂
But different than Everus
north umbra
Thought so just wanted to make sure
crimson mantle
No problem, it's really not clear from the game itself!
north umbra
Well I speculated because I figured any "busy" or "know" route would be low
crimson mantle
True, for routes with low supply
bright gate
Hmm. I have left a Freelancer sitting by the ground terminal at NB and it's never dissapeared. After selling I can run out to it and take off again. Have a friend who does the same thing in a Cat.
One time I landed too far out on the ice and the terminal didn't let me sell. Not sure what the max range is, or what it is you need to be close too.
mortal linden
You know that ground vehicle garage that's to the right when you enter the building? You need to land right in front of it, as close to doors as you can.
bleak lance
Have 30ks been a thing since game release right? I mean it means the server crashed right,
So can’t they get better servers that have less chance to crash, and more stable? I’m sure it would cost more but so stable and non 30k potential servers exist like that and used in our time?
reef narwhal
I like is nice
meager jetty
is there any way to swap mining lasers on a rented prospector?
pallid temple
No
meager jetty
ok thanks
north umbra
rent prospector is more to just sight see
meager jetty
Should I go straight for buying prospec then? Got like 1.2m
north umbra
Yes just keep saving, but you'll need more like 2.1 or 2.2 million because you'll want the helix laser immediately
meager jetty
So I guess mining with a rented prospector isn't as fast as doing bounty hunter missions?
north umbra
correct
meager jetty
Okay thanks
autumn fiber
Noob help: Waste and Scrap cargo, what do i do with it once i clear the moom/planet?
upbeat pagoda
I like is nice
@reef narwhal how do you pan the camera in 3rd person
pliant matrix
hm? Sc trade tools have some issue. Made that road except instead I bought 424k and sold 477k
I can understand prices may change according to demand but that's half the benefit
mortal linden
Admin price is ~8% lower, Lathan price is only ~4% bigger. When you trade in huge quantities, even small jumps in prices will drastically affect profits.
So no issue here, works as intended.
crimson mantle
@pliant matrix Unfortunately I'm not the one setting the prices: I just report what's in the game's files! :)
Every trade outlined in yellow is riskier. If you want to alleviate the risk, hover over the buy price and you'll see the per unit one. If it's way different than what you see in the trading console, consider an alternative commodity.
Hope that helps! 😄
pliant matrix
I wasn't raging or anything about it. just to tell to people using it to not refer to numbers because it can change a lot.
north umbra
@crimson mantle is the number on the website the lower/upper the price can be?
I would assume upper?
crimson mantle
The website will always give you the best possible profit.
So the buy price will usually be lower and the website, and the selling price a bit higher than what you'll see in-game.
north umbra
Yeah. That is what I figured you did
crimson mantle
@pliant matrix Oh no problem! But you're right: at the moment It's more to figure out the buy-sell pairs than figuring out the exact profit down to the individual UEC.
@north umbra Well, I report what's in the files exactly. But, as people buy and sell, the actual real-time stocks are never "ideal". So the profit is lower :/
pliant matrix
on this run it was kinda 50% down tho xD
north umbra
Your hauling from a VERY popular place
pliant matrix
I always take the shortest road. too afraid to lose half my savings on a 30k or pirate raid
north umbra
that is why I like my little run right now. I can haul 6600 units and make a profit of about $6500 per run
pliant matrix
Nice
Recently got a cat so I try bigger bet
Laranite seems to be the best and safest for now
Also vice can make you do more profit with lower cargo. Made a 7k profit with 8scu the other day
north umbra
paper forge
is there any way to prevent random seat leaving from ROC?
north umbra
@crimson mantle how 100% sure are you on the restock times for your website?
north umbra
hmm seems trade terminals are having a few issues today
inventory not showing up and stocks not replenishing
crimson mantle
@north umbra I'm sure: it's exactly how it's defined in the files. Of course, people may also be buying the same things you are in another server.
The numbers also agree with other community projects, i.e. https://scunpacked.com/commodities
north umbra
Yeah was just running into a lot of bugs
I got lucky with my last run of Med Supplies as I bought at 16.63 and sold at 19.25
coarse cape
is it me or does shubin mining 22 have nothing in stock
happened on different servers
north umbra
Its a bug. Walk back and forth between terminal and your ship a couple of times
fickle zephyr
every time a ship has despawned in front of me i have bedlogged
i dont know if there is a connection
or coincidence
happens with MOLE every time
as soon as i leave the ship for a minute
pallid temple
It seems to be connected
fickle zephyr
the MOLE is usually in the vicinity of the refinery when that happens anyway so its not a problem in that case
cat have done it twice, once with cargo
north umbra
Yah and usually when they despawn they are still in the world just not visible.
So go to a ship terminal and it will say where it is. As long as you have not claimed it.
Just went through this.
pallid temple
I bedlogged in my Cutlass, landed at an outpost on Magda, ship disappeared, I had a friend rescue me, logged in 6 hours later and I spawned in the seat of the same Cutlass that despawned.. exactly where it despawned
north umbra
Yah if it despawns it seems to go to the last place you spawned
fickle zephyr
lol
pallid temple
No but here's the weird thing... The Cutlass spawned exactly where it had despawned on me
Which was on a pad on a moon
north umbra
I had put 50k of med supplies into my freelancer and it despawned.
Hitched a ride to a space port saw where it was flew there, sold the cargo, flew back and respawned properly
Someone in chat said if you bed log head to a station and store immediately
bright gate
Had something annoying last night. Flying to NB with a load of minerals. Flu up to Port Tressler, got landing permission, then Quantumed to NB. Came out of quantum. 30K. When I got back in the ship was NOT stored at Port T. Had to claim it and lost the cargo. I thought getting clearance at the station was supposed to store it there. Murph.
fickle zephyr
damn
it happened to me without cargo but i had to claim the ship even though i just logged in an retrieved the ship and 30k outside the station
north umbra
Its reasons I keep my loads small, my runs short and keep a close eye on any possible issues.
Just had another successful run and while it may not be much it gave me another 35k in the bank
fickle zephyr
850k profit mining quant in 3h, you can do better in a cat if your lucky
36 minutes per run on average
170k per run on avg
odd ginkgo
when loading a roc onto a ship, do you need to spawn the ship, park it somewhere and then spawn the roc, and load the roc onto it?
and if... you disconnect or if you land at a station, and your ship despawns, does the roc also despawn or does it stay on the ship?
fickle zephyr
np
bleak lance
170k per run on avg
@fickle zephyr what cargo run gets that much with only 36 min per run
north umbra
@fickle zephyr That is like comparing apples to watermelons 😄
hearty pike
any way to fix my roc not collecting?
tender kestrel
ROC collection rate depends on server load. In some cases you going to need the collector working for over 10 seconds for it to start scooping the gems@hearty pike
nova tinsel
^ I hate that so much
north umbra
lost another 100k to a 30k 😦
lofty crest
oops
light star
is the roc worth having over the mole or prospector?
pallid temple
Yes
woeful rock
Yea
Just make sure you have something like a cutlass to get the most out of it
Cutlass red is best for solo
north umbra
I would say no due to bugs and everything else going on with it. I'd rather save up for Prosp/Helix than a roc any day. The Prosp has a higher return rate
light star
ty
hardy ravine
Yeah prospector is better but ROC is close enough
A bit more hassle and more chance to encounter bugs
A good advice is to keep transferring ore to your backpack while mining
Pembroke + Novikov is 255 units if I remember correctly
rose geyser
Whats a good trade route?
dusk owl
When i scan I can only find rock symbols and not gem symbols
how do i find gem symbols?
north umbra
scan the gems before landing too so you can see size/type
fickle zephyr
@bleak lance i would say titanium with an extra laranite on top between arial and lorville cbd, it should be able to net you in the same ballpark in credits/h
and then you can do the riskier route between wala and A18 with potential 350k profit in 40min
astatine from microtech selling at NB should also match the hurston titanium route
but if you are unlucky or do it long enough you will loose your cargo to bugs
mining is definately the low risk option
and mining isnt dependent on how many others are hauling cargo on the same route
@rose geyser https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes
depends on how big cargo you have
and how much cretits you can afford to loose
north umbra
why would someone take Astatine over Agricium?
Ast buys and sells lower than Agricium
north umbra
So it does. Hmm maybe I'll see looking into that
fickle zephyr
agricium is a great primary cargo for a freelancer
north umbra
Yeah I've been hauling it in my cutlass
fickle zephyr
i would only do medical supplies, agricium and laranite in freelancer
unless i have low funds
freelancer should also be able to do fast runs between outposts on the same moon
its in the right ballpark in comodity demand
north umbra
lol draw distance just murdered me
pretty heavy duty metal post I'd say to take me out
digital thorn
Anyone ever had a bug where the Mole says it's full then when you go to sell it basically has no space left?
north umbra
been noticing that with cargo too. I'll sell all then go back to my ship and there are still crates
fickle zephyr
do you need to sell them again to get rid of them?
north umbra
usually a store/retrieve
fickle zephyr
slender hawk
thank you
why can't i message in that channel? is there a timer?
any help is surely appreciated 🙂 new to discord and want to expand my star citizen experience, i've been playing "solo" since i started
plain crane
hello everyone where can i find the most up to date stats on ships?
north umbra
So I would say if you were a little peon trying to get wet with cargo running Astatine is a good choice. But Agricium really can't be beat
fickle zephyr
im curious in why you choose cutty black over freelancer
north umbra
I have had nothing but issues with a freelancer. From the controls going janky to the game crashing when going into QD
the cutlass has simply been rock solid
fickle zephyr
maybe do a budget to see if you can profit from renting an andromeda (high rent price)
unless that also just doesnt work for you
north umbra
I tried that once... but steering that thing is just downright frightening
north umbra
Yeah its bizarre they don't
but probably falls under the same premise as why you can rent the prop and not a new head... profit
I honestly feel the Agricium runs have netted the best profit and they are short enough
north umbra
The nice thing about MT is that NB seems to take a lot at the TDD
north umbra
they don't
north umbra
fickle zephyr
NB is maybe the least used TDD
north umbra
Yeah because people don't know about landing at the SE and making the sell point shorter
fickle zephyr
and its not fun flying thru mt atmo
with a cat
lifting
from the astatin outposts
north umbra
Yeah those planets are rough to fly into even with a good ship
the snow/winds in MT are crazy in some places
fickle zephyr
you just sit around SCM speed going up for minutes
north umbra
but MT is nice because most people don't even bother travelling there
north umbra
And being that things like Med, Agricium, Stim, and a few others of high value are easy to get there
fickle zephyr
i have used A18 to sell stuff from hurston and crusader systems just because its easier than lorville
north umbra
Yup
NB buys Agricium with a max of 300,000 units + 1,562/minute
so even if your gone for 5 minutes you can return back with a full cutlass and sell
fickle zephyr
i can store the ship at NB also without storing myself so i can suicide and wake up in tressler and take out the next cat
north umbra
lol sneaky
coarse cape
i love starting my trade run and get ejected out of my ship right as i quantum jump
and then the game crashes
jovial dirge
Trading is no good (for me) until the game is more stable and/or crashes don't result in loss of cargo. Pilot error, piracy? No problem. Server/client stability issue causing major setback in in-game bank account? Not acceptable to me. I get it.... alpha... that's why I don't do high-value trading anymore. Anyway I have made 180k from one Quantanium asteroid with very short hops.
just throwing out me perspective.
north umbra
I am only trading until I can get my prospector because I hate the roc
jovial dirge
@north umbra If you can tolerate the occasional hiccup, more power to ya. Last time I had a Cat full of cargo and quantum-drove into the heart of a planet only to explode, I realized I just don't have the personality to deal. 😄
north umbra
I've had the eject while QD and also where something went wrong during a QD trip and blew up
But I am only hauling small loads.. 46cu so I don't lose much
And I keep them short and relog occasionally
coarse cape
im justing using a freelancer with 30k budget with the sc tradetool thing
very useful
misty furnace
probably been answered before, but is there a limit on ship exchanges? like if i don't care about LTI, and so long as the prices don't change too much, can I just swap back and forth between similarly priced ships every other day or whatever?
maiden brook
@north umbra why do you hate the roc?
hardy ravine
Noone really hates the ROC. It is just a little buggy in 3.11.
It was more stable in 3.10
It appears it will get fixed in the new patch
pallid temple
"It is just a little buggy"
This is commonly known as an understatement
hardy ravine
See what I did there?
north umbra
@maiden brook I don't hate it I just feel its inherently flawed and being that it should feel like a step up from hand mining it feels more of a course in frustration.
The bugs and the way to use it really breaks a smooth work flow and immersion.
Server stability plays a massive role in how well one can mine and at times how long.
Yes you can make decent money but that feels more RNG that purpose driven.
I feel like the ROC should be a bonus for owning the prosp or mole at this time and that people should focus on owning a prosp instead.
A prosp can bring in 200k faster and more reliable than a ROC any day.
pallid temple
bright star
Officially my best haul with Argo Mole so far.
hardy ravine
Alone?
bright star
yep
bright star
pretty much
north umbra
I really despise hauling med supplies
hardy ravine
Tried mining a little with ROC
Yeah it is tough
Had to pull every trick in the book to salvage it, got around 226k
pretty much everything that can go wrong, went wrong
Cherry on top, mining station wouldn't buy Hadanite
First time it happened that while parking into the ship, carefully, the ship just bounced back and on the side with no apparent reason. ROC was not even touching ramp.
north umbra
I'm hoping the update coming really helps the ROC out
dry ridge
same, i've had to stay mainly in microtech system in 3.11 as the gravity seems to help
i'm stubborn and have been ROC mining through 3.11, but half the time it does its mating dance into the ground
when spawning
north umbra
i've mostly been doing short cargo runs in MT and having good luck
glass quail
Have around 1m in cargo in my ship. It's been stored at Port O and i just tried to call it back and got the "we were unable to process your request". Generally I just go to a different spaceport to call ships with that glitch, but im fairly sure claiming my ship will delete my cargo. Any way around this? Most of my bank account is in that ship\
glass quail
unfortunately port O does not buy drugs. It probably would be a different story if i had logged off at Grim HEX
robust cape
hey needing a few crew mates for cargo running dm me
green sundial
MSR coming to PTU soon
vestal plume
Aphorite good or no? It's not on my list so assuming no
pallid temple
It's in-between Hadanite and Dolivine
north umbra
Take it over dol
scenic crag
Hey I'm thinking about getting into mining and I was wondering if anyone would be willing to kinda show me the ropes
north umbra
@sturdy pelican I've been fighting for 2 weeks to make any money and moving cargo with a cutlass is slow going lol
zealous iron
what are the rates for escorts?
scenic crag
@sturdy pelican I honestly don't know anything about mining
sturdy pelican
The easiest way to mine is by getting the Prospector and going to planets like Daymar to mine
It's much more efficient than mining with the ROC
The ROC has a more stable income but the Prospector is much easier
scenic crag
Got it
north umbra
And if you choose to want a roc... A load or two in a prospector can pay for one
scenic crag
Is the prospector a ship?
north umbra
Yes
granite perch
anyone mining and need crew with mole?
brave fossil
Prospector is more income than roc ?
karmic mason
stuck lynx
@brave fossil depends on if you go for quantanium in a prospector or not. The ROC you can generate around 400-500k an hour on the right planet.
odd ginkgo
when taking out the RoC, I keep having it (randomly) despawn my main carrier ship, sort of randomly... i see it's a reported issue, anyone know of a workaround for this?
mortal linden
Yes, use Prospector or Mole.
Jokes aside, even person sitting in a pilot sit is not enough to prevent this from happening.
From my experience, if pilot owns the ship and miner owns the ROC and they stay in their sits all the time it greatly reduces chances of de-spawning ship bug.
odd ginkgo
thanks Rus!
hollow sedge
@stuck lynx which planet??? i have not been so lucky...
strange flume
is there a way to reset cargo terminals if they're not showing any commodities?
west bison
does anyone know the best place to mine money wise with the prospector?
crimson mantle
@west bison Do you prefer planet, moon or asteroid belt mining? Do you care about the lower end minerals?
What about quantainium?
west bison
anything i just wanna make some money im kinda new to mining so im getting the prospector today
crimson mantle
@strange flume That's usually a back-end service problem: you just have to wait and retry.
Rented?
strange flume
okay thanks
west bison
yes im gonna rent for a day and then if i get enough and a little extra ill rent it again
and someday ill actually buy it
crimson mantle
Give a look to https://space4games.com/en/games-en/star-citizen-mining/
west bison
oo ok this should help thanks
crimson mantle
For places, feel free to try https://sc-trade.tools/mining
https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-complete-test-squadron-mining-guide-v3-11.18088/ is also a good mining guide
@west bison and for where and what to mine in the rented prospector, try https://bit.ly/3pii0Gy
west bison
ok thanks
north umbra
Rented prospector is going to be tough due to density/rock mass. You'll want to stick to lower class types
west bison
what do you recommend for mining?
lofty crest
ROC
pallid temple
Cutlass Black, Valkyrie
west bison
ok ill check it out
hot jungle
constelation andromeda
hollow sedge
freelancer max
max is a bit of a brick in atmo though
that and its headlights have been nonfunctional since 3.10 which is a bit of a bummer
but it's what I got
so I make do :P
opaque canopy
just recently getting into cargo stuff. As of 3.11, do 30k's still eat your cargo? I know logging via bed will persist it
north umbra
yes they do. so try to keep runs short and sweet and don't get greedy. You can sometimes recover after a 30k, but don't count on it
bright gate
Has anyone else having issues with outpost trade terminals taking forever to load? As in you have to keep looking at them for ten+ minutes before they let you buy or sell anyth8ng?
north umbra
switch pads or fly up and come back but yes
bright gate
Seems to happen o. Terminals at unpopular outposts
Is bed logging on the ground safe?
west bison
do you reccomend the cutlass black for multi use im planning on mining with is with the roc and using it in general
north umbra
100% ship is super versatile
do some small upgrades to it and could even do some bounties if you wanted
bright gate
Cutlass holds two ROC
west bison
oo my friend got the game so if i get 2 roc we can make the double the amouint
north umbra
Yup
bright gate
Just watch tor the mining arm flinging straight up when starting on in a ship
Need to lowered right away ot it clips ceiling and wrecks everything
north umbra
and make 100% sure your ship is flat when off loading
bright gate
Yes, ROC can't jump a significant ramp/ground mismatch
west bison
hm
bright gate
Also: do not scan for minerals within 20 clicks of an outpost. Griefers can see the pulses and come blast the ROC for jollies.
north umbra
spawn, load, and fly far away then give'er
west bison
alr
north umbra
is it me or does the Cutlass look like it squats when loaded up?
bright gate
Cutlass in general looks like it was designed at 80% current size and scaled up.
north umbra
lol
Pulled 3 full loads of Agricium from a Outpost. Gonna let the server breathe before a 30k 😄
north umbra
Buy in Lorville for 172k
stuck lynx
@hollow sedge Arial and Aberdeen where both good. I have a guy in my org that ROC mines on Aberdeen and pulls in a good amount.
north umbra
aberdeen is good just a lot of terrain to work around
cyan kindle
Did someone find a 'good' trade route ? I feel like every route i know off is nerfed or bring too little
north umbra
There are a lot of them. You just have to be willing to go off the beaten path and do some checking and such
vocal chasm
is the tractor beam of the 315p strong enough to carry a roc?
pallid temple
The 315p's tractor beam isn't even implemented yet
vocal chasm
ok nvm then
pallid temple
And even if it were I doubt it could even lift a ROC, let alone carry one
fickle zephyr
it could probably push it in 0g
push pieces onto a cat or reclaimer
but in the early salvage gameplay i doubt something like 315 would do much more than scraping the hull
pallid temple
315 isn't a salvage ship
fickle zephyr
do salvage ships have other tools?
pallid temple
Presumably
fickle zephyr
i think you are supposed to be able to change utility in utility slots of the correct size eventually
north umbra
112k increase today. Not gonna complain
granite perch
where is the best place to mine with prospector?
granite perch
best thing for money @green sundial
green sundial
then Quantanium or the more plentiful Agricium
as for where. https://sc-trade.tools/mining
north umbra
Yup I've been basically hauling agricium for the last 3 days
coarse cape
anyone having problems trying to buy stuff from consoles and nothing is showing up
at all
man trading is going bad this patch
fickle zephyr
have you managed to get the prospector fbane?
oh yes, hauling
i read that wrong sorry
is it worth it to avoid the ROC?
i mean you would probably make more in a ROC i guess even if you only manage to sell what you stuff your backpacks with
coarse cape
@north umbra im just having troubles at like planet stations like buds
north umbra
Yeah it happens everywhere
fickle zephyr
i have started to just abandon the outpost
north umbra
try flying around a bit and re-landin
fickle zephyr
and try again next run
coarse cape
yeah
trying to grind for pros
but like
with this i cant get my nice traderun going
north umbra
Solid day in cargo running
coarse cape
nice
fickle zephyr
profits
north umbra
Yeah those last 3 runs were selling Laranite. The others were Agricium
almost doubled my starting wallet
paper forge
Is it worth to upgrade Cutlass Black to Freelancer MAX to mine with ROC?
paper forge
It burns alot of fuel and i cant refuel it once i put ROC in it ;/
was just wondering if it is any better in terms of fuel efficiency and overal durability
north umbra
Should be able to refuel at a outpost. Mind you that has been flaky and buggy too
north umbra
Cutty moves around a lot faster and easier compared to a freelancer
lofty crest
freelancer max is bigger but is sluggish and slow in atmo
hollow sedge
Oh man hope this roc patch hits pu soon.
bright gate
I often have the terminal show nothing but if you wait long enough it eventually shows
Long enough can be te. Minutes
I suspect it happens when you uses a terminal at an outpost nobody else has used in a while
rare gate
I think it mostly happens when the server is pretty much at the verge of a 30k
maybe up to an hour before
bright gate
I think that's how long it takes to build a data table
Yeah, probably slower on a slow dying server
rare gate
whenever I notice the consoles taking long times to react, I switch servers as soon as possible
fair fog
What's a normal profit per day as in, expected number? For mining, for trading
Not asking for 'exact ship', just in general what you think is good
lime sierra
ever since 3.11 went live, i havnt found a single ore deposit while ROC mining
north umbra
There lots around. Just some days they feel like they are million miles apart