Here's a link if you wanna watch the whole click or read discussion.
#industrial-professions
formal glacier
fickle zephyr
can thay fix so cat can hold a buggy
formal glacier
In short they saw it was so close to fitting they reworked the exterior/interior a bit to make it happen.
Biggest change was replacing the middle thruster with 2 at the wings and moving the turret a bit.
fickle zephyr
it would be neat taking the buggy to the trade house
formal glacier
All in all, I think the MSR might be kinda nice to roc mine with.
last flame
Bah, can't land the Aaron Halo properly
I cut my power at about 9.5mil KM like the wiki suggested, but it took me like 2mil km to actually drop out of quantum
fickle zephyr
i just drop out of QT anywhear from 5000km and 2 million km or something when jumping from delamar to arc l3
i think its arc l3
it makes sense when you see it on the map
last flame
Delamer to Arc 3 makes the most sense, I think. Levski is much closer
how do you drop out?
Holding B? Or shut off power to your ship?
untold olive
just filled a prospector with 98% agricium pog
last flame
how long did it take
untold olive
like 20 minutes
i got really lucky with the nodes
all the ag broke into one single rock and those split into almost entirely 100% nodes
last flame
hot damn
untold olive
easy 84k
earnest halo
I want a reason to visit the microtech moons more, I like the area
last flame
@fickle zephyr I'm about 1.7mil KM from ARC L3, but the space is empty. I'm going to assume it's pretty apparent when you're in the asteroid field?
dawn ermine
does anyone have a sweet mining spot?
don't care for quantainium at the moment
@untold olive Where did you get that hit?
dawn ermine
got ya
untold olive
these are all separate rocks
bright gate
Yes, last night was on a server with less than ten people (did the server loading algoryhems break and started passing out more low-population servers?) and the ROC collection beam was VERY fast.
But after only a few stones the ROC fracture beam quit working.
untold olive
whats 1.7m km away from delamar?
last flame
the Aaron Halo
I managed to land reliably. Not as good mining as I hoped, but it's way the fuck out of the way and takes skill to land, so you won't have to worry about hunters or anything
earnest halo
that happened to me last night too @bright gate , its just lucky to find low pop servers, i was on a server with only 6 last night but after a couple hours a spike of 44 suddenly joined all at once just before it 30k'd -_-
I wish they would stop acting the game can handle 50 people, once you play on a server with less than 30 on you realize that half the bugs in this game are caused by it lagging and unable to process 50 people's locations and actions
and everything especially ROC collection works literally 10 times faster or more
dusty coyote
just set up more servers
it's not like they don't get funding
and it would be nice to select servers, just go to the least populated ones
hallow fractal
where can you sell mined items in the Hurston area?
last flame
Lorville's Admin Office
bright gate
So, @earnest halo, did your ROC stop fracturing at any point?
Mine did, although think the cause was some sort of desync.
earnest halo
Yeah I just go store it and pull out another when that happens
bright gate
Was teamed with my brother at the time.
When our ROCs stop fracturing, we notice that we see opposite beams.
I.E. I see him firing a laser, he sees himself firing a collector. And vice-versa.
earnest halo
It happened even on the low pop server I was on so its just an ROC bug altogether, not like lag caused like some other issues
bright gate
So seems the game is confused about what the ROC is doing.
earnest halo
Lol that's interesting
So can you.. scroll up the middle mouse wheel while in collection mode and blow up the minerals?
bright gate
No, tried that.
earnest halo
Or did you try that I should say
bright gate
The person seeing the laser will see it look stronger and weaker when the one seeing the collector spins their middle mouse.
But the minerals don't react to either.
earnest halo
Oh darn lol, yeah sometimes the rock energy level won't go above 0% too, and I just store it and spawn another
bright gate
Am guessing that the status of the beam is in a confused state so the UI is showing the wrong one and the server isnt' trusting anything the client is saying so won't let it fracture.
earnest halo
Also once, the inventory wasn't collecting anything that it was.. collecting.. grabbed a patch of 6 hadanite, checked the inventory and it was empty xD
bright gate
Now, one time one of our ROCs was shoing the effect and the other was not.
earnest halo
Those are the three bugs I've encountered and had to go respawn new ones for
bright gate
THe good ROC could fracture rocs and teh bad ROC could collect the pieces, althoght the one doing the collecting saw himself collecting them with a laser.
Am suspecting that the load-levelers broke last night and allowed a bunch of low--population servers.
After a while we both just started doing cargo runs because that's a lot easier wen you don't have to worry about getting shot up just for existing.
hollow sedge
can somebody help! i only stared out a few days ago and im trying to to cargo trading, but whenever i buy cargo for my freelancer it just doesn't appear in it i already lost about 20k credits from it, this detail might help, the ship is a duplicate, because i got the duplicate bug
lofty crest
Sounds like you might have to do an ACC reset
tough tusk
^
formal glacier
When picking up a roc with your ship. Do you guys just fly to a random poi on the planet/moon to spawn it? Or is there some highly efficient place to spawn it at?
pallid temple
Well it depends
wet roost
can you spawn it at port O?
pallid temple
No
earnest halo
Lol the 600i can definitely fit an ROC, but server lag is not allowing it. The elevator is going up way faster than the ROC is and it phases through.
Welp, worked better in the Phoenix elevator for whatever reason, went up with it better, some collision errors I'm guessing. If it ever gets fixed I'll sure as hell go ROC mining in a 600i.. lol
Maybe the const elevator rises much slower allowing the buggy to rise up with it easier
dusty coyote
For solo roc mining I'd prefer a cutty or the freelancer
the freelancer we get rn fits roc perfectly although it's definitely tigjt
since you get out the front of roc you can just scan for a rock, go back and drive out the rover
also vehicles apparently disobey physics entirely when on ships, you can just leave the ramp open all the time and fly around it won't matter
I even banged the top of my lancer on the planet upside down trying to make the roc inside fall or move and it did not, the back ramp does nothing but look pretty in lancer as you can't get past roc anyways
tardy crescent
Where's the best place to mine with the ROC?
nova tinsel
Is there any updated guide for prospector mining?
formal glacier
I actually found roc workable with a Connie elevator
It usually bounces into a different orientation tho.
last flame
I can confirm the ROC does pretty well on the Connie elevator. Just make sure you keep it powered on and you turn off the weapons on the ROC
sturdy pelican
For the experienced traders out there
is it even possible to make more than 100k per trip at the moment?
crimson mantle
crimson mantle
It's a risk/reward thing!
sturdy pelican
Wait a second
Aren't these trades impossible
due to the cap
there's no way you can go to Kudre Ore and purchase 1.4m of agricium
crimson mantle
That's why there's a wait time in yellow
crimson mantle
There's a filter on the left for that
last flame
He did mention “if you’re patient”!
sturdy pelican
@blazing oar don't they buy less than area 18
Or does the higher refresh rate make up for it
untold olive
was landing at po to sell some quantanium and used auto land and it bumped the back of the shop on a pad and the alert instantly went red
daring vale
I am considering saving up for a prospector, but I have yet to find a good source on the average full load value of random ores.
If I fill the hold with whatever I find, what is the most likely credit value of a full prospector hold?
Also, which planet/moon is best for ROC mining?
crimson mantle
@daring vale Feel free to try https://sc-trade.tools/mining to get ore value and best mining spots
daring vale
I have tried it, however it has spouted only errors.
It helps less that I am mobile, and the interface is clumsy.
crimson mantle
If you feel like sharing them, I can add them to my backlog 🙂
I'm happy to hear any feedback you might have, including mobile usability
daring vale
The biggest error is user - I simply do not understand most of it.
Optimal trade routes requires some understanding already of how to trade - I have none at all outside of "Medical supplies sell okay, but agricium sells better by two percent if you don't explode."
Agricium would make more sense with a larger craft...
And all I really want to know is the average value of a Prospector hold D':
crimson mantle
It still means that I didn't do the best job at designing the interface :)
Essentially, trade prices are derived from a shops inventory, which diminishes when players buy from it and replenishes slowly over time. Inventory is shared across all servers, not just yours.
Ok so for the prospector
daring vale
Even if it is just an estimate, a rough guess of... Ten thousand?
crimson mantle
it goes from 260k with quantanium to only 4k with aluminium
if you mine pure, no inert mass
daring vale
Hm, so unlike mining with the ROC, which yields a pretty good source of that expensive metal... The larger rocks tend to have a more diverse range of metals within, such as aluminum, necessitating more exploration?
That would explain why there are so many big rocks...
crimson mantle
usually yes, taking some time to find a good rock will be more profitable than mining the first thing you come across
https://sc-trade.tools/mining if you pick "prospector" in the dropdown and click the blue button, you'll see what's worth what
daring vale
Admittedly, I am still saving up for a prospector. Given the more varied hold values though...
...it may be easier to just save up for something that can easily transport my ROC.
crimson mantle
you can rent a cutlass black for that for ~25k/day
daring vale
That would be easy to use...
daring vale
Many thanks for the help. This has given me much to think about.
untold olive
im trying to mine asteroids, but when the rocks wont scan so it wont let me mine them, anyone know why?
i've been able to scan M-type and E-type but the rocks that look like quantanium wont scan
sturdy pelican
@crimson mantle you actually own that website??
@crimson mantle will Lorville be able to buy a full cargo of titanium
From a caterpillar
bright gate
Pretty sure the planets can take a cat load
crimson mantle
@sturdy pelican I am the developer of the website, yes :)
And Lorville can easily buy a Cat's worth of Titanium (https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Titanium): Max 1 200 000 units + 50 000/min
In fact, it can pretty much buy a Cat's worth every minute. This pretty much guarantees the ¤8,9 UEC buy price.
sturdy pelican
Hot diggity dog
hollow sedge
im so confused dont i just buy goods from one trade and go to another or am i going to lose uec this way?
daring vale
Shipping is indeed a complex affair. There is evidently sale times,
As in, you can only sell portions according to demand, every so many minutes apart...
...which makes it even more risky, as it expands the window for a 3k to wipe out your cargo hold.
sturdy pelican
@hollow sedge
- You BUY a commodity from one place
- You travel to another place to SELL the commodity you bought.
In the process, you will be risking the amount that you paid for with the intent of making back a percentage of it.
daring vale
One good example is metals from mining outpost 141 - you buy at 39k, and sell at 42k.
Is it much? No.
But it scales with the size of your vessel, and some locations buy commodities for far more than they sell elsewhere.
bright gate
Of course, the main risk from this is if the game crashes while the stuff is on your ship (and before you have called in for landing clearance at the place you intend to sell it) you are out the 39K that you paid for it.
If game crashes after you have landing clearance, you can still sell the stuff if you do it before claiming the ship.
clear canyon
Ciao. I'm super new to the game, I was just wondering what are all of the non-violent jobs one can have.
Hopefully this is the right thread.
bright gate
The most non-violet job is package delivery.
which is generally picking up three hand-carryable boxes and taking them someplace else.
Needs a ship that has an interior, you can't do them in a cockpit-only fighter but anything else can.
crimson mantle
@hollow sedge @daring vale
Cargo trading isn't has complex has it seems. You buy stuff, you travel, you sell it 🙂 To know what and where, you can use tools like https://sc-trade.tools
The hardest part is dodging the bugs!
bright gate
Box missions pay more the farther you have to carry the box.
Between two moons of the same planet is pretty cheap, between planets pays more (but takes longer, obvioulsy).
The other advantage box missions have is that you don't need any credits to start, and you aren't risking any. If the game crashes while on a delivery or your ship is destroyed by a ganker you only lose the boxes and the time spent on the delivery so far.
clear canyon
Much appreciated.
So can you technically make your own job? Like offer your services to someone and they pay you?
bright gate
Well, sorta. The game doesn't have any particular features to support that.
clear canyon
Thanks for the link@ @crimson mantle
bright gate
You can transfer money between players.
So you can offer to do something in exchange for a transfer but it's informal.
Not to mention if you do the work and they decide not to pay you you can't do much about other than use harsh language.
clear canyon
So they're not inclined to pay you.
Right.
Gotcha.
Have you ever done anything of the sort Beam?
bright gate
No.
Mining is a good way to make credits, but you need something to mine with.
Generall, either a ROC ground vehicle (and a ship big enough to carry one) or a mining ship like a Prosepector.
You can mine with just a little handheld gun but only in caves.
I personally like cargo hauling, but that does require credits (you have to buy the cargo) and has some risk (if the game crashes or ship is destroyed before you sell it, you lose the cargo).
clear canyon
What's the fastest way to make money?
bright gate
Mining, if you are good at it, I think.
clear canyon
Sorry for all the questions but my buddy and I are looking at a 2 player ship we'd really like.
fast briar
Fastest way is to literally ask someone to send you money.
bright gate
True.
fast briar
It works....
clear canyon
Oh wow, lol.
bright gate
Note that everyone gets a free Freelancer these days, which is a good cargo hauler and can carry a ROC (although it's a squeeze)
clear canyon
We're looking at the Vanguard Sentinel.
He wants to be a bounty hunter.
And I'm like... Just really into the market tbh.
fast briar
Same I'm gonna buy a sentinel
bright gate
You can also take the NPC 'bounty' missions. A level 1 is pretty easy, doesn't pay much. But, unlike the real world, combat is less risk than cargo hauling. If they kill you you just wake up back at the station.
clear canyon
Gotcha. @bright gate
bright gate
Vanguards are nice ships, yes.
fast briar
What if prowler with distortion is op??
clear canyon
@fast briar A lot of vids said the EMP is great for big ships.
fast briar
Distortion can disable ships too
bright gate
No, vanguards carry no cargo.
clear canyon
Wow.
bright gate
They can do box deliveries because that's not really "cargo"
Carrying cargo requires a part of the ship to be designated a "cargo hold".
clear canyon
So Cargo is a whole 'nother category.
bright gate
If it's not a cargo hold, then you can't put cargo in it, no matter how big it is.
When carrying cargo you do not pick up and move it. It materializes in the ship when you buy it, and vanishes when you sell it. (Most of the time. Some types of cargo have art errors and don't appear inside the ship when you buy it, but they really are there, at least in the sense that you can't carry them and something else in the same hold).
clear canyon
Gotcha.
bright gate
Apparently there is a long-term plan for animations of NPCs with forklifts actually moving the boxes around but that's a long way off.
Cargo ships have a rating of how many cargo boxes they can carry.
clear canyon
Do you think my buddy and I could buy the Cutlass Black in a day?
bright gate
An Avenger Titan (a small beginners courier ship) carrys 8. A Freelancer carries 66. A Caterpillar (biggest cargo hauler in the game) carries ~500
I know people who say they can but I am never in a rush.
A Cutlass black holds....45? I think. I own one and I forgot....
clear canyon
I really appreciate all the knowledge you're handing to me Beam, seriously man.
bright gate
Okay.
clear canyon
I would get the Avenger Titan but that's just a 1 player ship and we're looking at two right now.
bright gate
When you buy or sell cargo there is a listed price per "unit". A standard cargo box holds 100 of those 'units'.
I.E. the price of "agricultural supplies" is 1 credit per unit, it costs 6600 credits to fill up a Freelancer with it.
Most things sell for around 10% to 20% more than you bought them for, so you'd likely sell that 6600 to a farm for around 7900, making 1300 profit (numbers not exact, off the top of my head).
Note that ag supplies are a very cheap cargo and doesn't make much hauling it.
clear canyon
So would it be a good idea to mine to make credits, and then start making cargo runs for more profit while ditching mining?
Or just stick to mining and no cargo runs?
bright gate
Mining makes pretty good money with a medium ship (a ROC and a Cutlass, for instance).
Making good money cargo hauling takes a bigger ship like a Freelancer MAX or a Caterpillar.
clear canyon
So we should stick to mining.
bright gate
(Freelancer MAX carries about twice the payload of a base Freelancer)
I would suggest mining for startign, yeah. Assuming you can get the hang of a mining beam, they can be a bit tricky.
clear canyon
I'll watch some youtube videos.
bright gate
That's the laser that shatters the rocks. If you do it wrong the rock blows up and you get nothing.
clear canyon
Gotcha.
bright gate
Note: if mining with the little hand gun, the rock can blow up and kill you.
And to avoid confustion: a 'rock' is a piece of stone on a planet, moon, or floating in space that you locate with a scanner and mine for valuable minerals. A "ROC" is a one-man ground vehicle that mines rocks for valuable minerals by shattering with a laser and then picking up the valuable bits. I personally think they should have called it something else but they didn't ask me.
bright gate
Don't stand too close to them. Although with the hand gun I think if you stand that far away the gun doesn't work.
formal glacier
On a earlier question. Beacons let players post jobs. Only transportation and escort right now tho.
clear canyon
Gotcha. @formal glacier
formal glacier
Is there a way to prevent the rocks killing you should they explode?
@clear canyon
There's an overload meter so run if it's redlining
clear canyon
Ah ok ok.
bright gate
And note that if you die with a 'weapon' in your hand (that includes the mining gun) when you wake up back at the station, the 'weapon' that was in your hand is lying on the ground wherever you died.
yeah, there is a meter that tells you if it's about to blow up. Reading it correctly it is the 'tricky' part I mentioned.
formal glacier
Ah ok ok.
@clear canyon
Redline is fine actually. Just careful not to charge the rock to 100%. It charges when In the red.
bright gate
Blowing up a rock while in a ROC or a ship like a Prospector is not fatal, just means you wasted the time spent trying to fracture it.
clear canyon
Does the handheld tool have a laser throttle?
bright gate
The interface for fracturing a rock is the same with gun, ROC, or ship.
yes it does.
clear canyon
Gotcha.
bright gate
That' the interface I mentioned.
ROCs and ships have collection beams for picking up the bits after fracturing. The hand gun does not, you just pick them up by hand.
Collection beam = tractor beam, at least to the extent that tractor beams work in this game. Eventually there will be general purpose tractor beams that move stuff and ships about but ATM the mining collectors are it.
A Caterpillar has a whole "tractor beam control station", for instance. It doesn't do anything.
clear canyon
Oof.
bright gate
(Caterpillars can't mine)
Oh, a thing to not miss: your avatar needs to 'drink' something about every two game hours and 'eat' something every four game hours, or else it dies (and respawns back in a bed fully hydrated/fed).
Food and water are found in shops on stations/planets
clear canyon
Gotcha.
bright gate
Many ships have kitchens in them but none of them work (at least they didn't used to, I heard that a handful of coffee makers in a few ships started working two weeks ago).
Many ships also have bathrooms. These are, at the moment, ornamental. We live in fear of the day they become a survival mechanic 🙂
clear canyon
Lol.
untold olive
if you're in Port Olisar you can buy water at Casaba and MRE's in the weapons shop, mind that you do need to take your helmet off to eat or drink
the food and water is found at the desk the NPC is standing at
clear canyon
Much appreciated.
Game's 50% done downloading so I'm so stoked.
Definitely gonna be mining for the next 6 hours.
untold olive
From my experience in mining today, USA servers seem to have people camping PO but not in AUS
clear canyon
I should be in the EU servers.
blazing oar
Or does the higher refresh rate make up for it
@sturdy pelican ill try a 18 but i was selling with nor problems or having to wait at all
formal glacier
Ciao. I'm super new to the game, I was just wondering what are all of the non-violent jobs one can have.
@clear canyon
There will be more nonviolent jobs in the future. Exploration will probably be relatively non-combat and there is also data running. People transportation is also planned. There are various ships built for all the above.
clear canyon
I'll look into data running.
formal glacier
I'll look into data running.
@clear canyon
Really hot topic atm. Currently we have the Herald but the MSR is coming out. MSR should also have smuggling capability in the future.
clear canyon
Sounds pretty interesting.
bright gate
Note that Data Running doesn't really exist yet. There are data running ships, but like the Caterpillar's Tractor Beam controls, they don't do much.
One of them is pretty much the fastest straight-line ship in the game, it's really just a pilot seat and a computer rack bolted to the front of a HUGE engine.
Not a popular ship because it can't really do anything.
MSR (Mecury Star Runner) is a combination ship that can run data (eventually) and cargo. It's currently being billed as the closest equivalent the game has to the Millenium Falcon (well, the Falcon BEFORE Han & Chewie modded it, anyway).
I think currently the closest thing to the Falcon is either a Cutlass Black or a Freelancer but that's very much an opinion thing.
valid sequoia
@formal glacier If you are going to be around tomorrow at all I can take you and buddy mining in a MOLE and teach ya some basic mining and can split profits with ya
clear canyon
Was that meant to be directed towards myself? @valid sequoia
valid sequoia
you and Deep were both talking bout mining-- sure why not
valid sequoia
NA correct?
valid sequoia
hmmm ok idk if I can connect well to EU.
rare latch
beginner trader here. been doing some mining to get to 200k. i do have a cat now. i’ve looked at the trading calculators but they give so many options. can anyone point me to a few decent beginner routes to look for? or even commodities to go towards/away from. I don’t want to be stuck with something i can’t sell.
green sundial
start with low cost, large quantity items
never put more than half of your money into a haul
also its a bad time to trade now with the vanduul mask event going on
rare latch
stick to roc mining a bit more?
bright gate
A very safe thing to haul is scrap between CRUL1 and Port O.
It's low value, so takes something the size of a Cat to make any money at it.
Other than right now, going to Port O is dangerious someone will shoot your Cat out of the sky jto get a kill for the mask.
serene quest
My problem with hauling is the capacity that the station will buy. Like what kinds of gains are people getting per run? I can’t seem to ever sell all my cargo in one shot.
bright gate
THat's oen of the things that makes scrap safe. Port O will buy it in essentially unlimited quantities.
High value stuff is hard to sell in large quantities.
The idea is that little ships like an Avenger Titan trade in Laranite and big ships like Cats trade in scrap.
Note: be very careful of Medical Supplies. Almost nowhere will buy more than a tiny amount of that at once.
I usually do okay picking up minerals from the mining stations on Daymar or Celin and bringing it to Port O in a Freelancer. But quit doing that when the Vandal mask thing started.
Now I mostly ROC mine on a moon. Preferrably VERY FAR from any outpost on the moon, because Vandal mask-seekers will sometimes buzz around the outposts looking for mineral-scan pings and blast the miner.
opal crow
anyone wanna hook me up with a decent trade route? im so mad at cig i cant go anywhere near hurston for like 6 months now because of a glitch
sturdy pelican
@bright gate isn't it hard to kill caterpillars
bright gate
Not hard for a fighter unless the turrets are manned.
I don't own a Cat but my brother does, I ride his turret a lot.
I know a single size 9 torp from an Eclipse will kill one 😦
formal glacier
@valid sequoia
Thanks for the offer! I actually got the basics down though, I just was on here comparing info to make sure I was doing it right :)
valid sequoia
Np. Still offer stands to take you out in Mole, I also have 2 Rocs or 2 prospectors. So you can mine using one of my prospectors, and I’ll take a screenshot of value when you land at the station and then sell -> send you the $
sturdy pelican
@blazing oar why
leaden python
where do you think is the best overall place to ship mine with helix
yela belt or surface or what moon/planet
vocal tide
wheree is the best place to mine hadabite in 3.11 exept for Arial?
yela belt or surface or what moon/planet
@leaden python would say Yela belt
leaden python
arial is the best now ?
pallid temple
Arial was the best
vocal chasm
@sturdy pelican I don't know why Ajkula has that opinion but for me it seems like it's impossible to earn money via trading since I get 30ks or crashes too often. I went from 450k to 200k 
Right now i'm testing with lower stakes if it's even possible to earn money via trading or if I just lose it lol
vocal chasm
And mining just makes me uncomfortable since i'm under pressure to get my rent that I spent on a prospector back. That has nothing to do anymore with chill gameplay if I'm under such pressure. That is stuff that you would deal with irl but not ingame.
And there is no way to get a prospector without forcing another player to log on everytime you just want some relaxed evening gameplay.
And delivery missions give you 2k per package. Just be honest already and pay me nothing 
And yes I'm an Aurora Freelancer only guy 
Am I the only one who has these technical problems mentioned above to that extend?
torpid kindle
The 30Ks have been brutal for me the last couple of days. Over the weekend my game was incredibly stable but beginning yesterday it's been impossible to trade safely. I've got two ships that show as present at a mining outpost with cargo and no way to extract it.
serene quest
@vocal chasm you realize its a 24h rental on the prospector. You should not have an issue making back that 47k you spent on a rental. Also, make more strategic choices. If you've been mining, and you're worried about a 30k, then do a bed log out and hop sessions. You can also QT to the closest station and request landing services. Requesting places a temporary save on your ship and cargo, and will also save you from a 30k.
vocal chasm
@serene quest Yes I realized that. I also did that trick with the stations. It didn't help. My ship was lost and had to be reclaimed (i tried to sell before reclaiming too but it didn't show up on the terminal).
I will try mining tho if i come to the conclusion that trading doesn't work. I just don't like to be forced to play at least 1 hour with no breaks. I like the possibility to take a break every now and then when doing deliveries or trading. Also spending 1/4 of my money just to get a prospector with the worst laser sucks. But I'll probably steal one of the claimjumper ones for free so...
serene quest
ah yea that is a kick in the pants
SC's short DC timer is the pits
i get caught out like that all the time too. Having a new baby is not conducive to getting ANYTHING but the occasional contract done in game lol
hollow sedge
I just got my prospector with helix laser working yesterday. I'm very new and excited for this good way to earn credits.
found a little quiet part of the star system with Quantainium.
sturdy pelican
@hollow sedge Cargo glitch?
serene quest
@earnest halo damn nice lol. That all hadanite?
serene quest
Ggggggg
What planet is that btw. I don’t recognize it, I usually head straight to Yela.
last flame
You'll want to make sure you've got Pembroke armor before you head to Aberdeen, as it's a bit toasty on the surface.
serene quest
Ah thanks!
sturdy pelican
How do you put stuff in your bag
earnest halo
Hold f, look at it, and hit stow
bright gate
Sometimes Stow does no appear. Wait a sec and try again
formal glacier
@valid sequoia https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/jelf87/trying_to_teach_a_new_crewmate_how_to_mine_when/ Is this you? lol
valid sequoia
unfortunately not lol, I'm available to play if you want to go out mining.
pseudo glade
Best spot for handmining? I'm just starting out
sturdy pelican
Arial
pseudo glade
ty
hollow sedge
Made a first try at a trade route and went to guy buy laranite at a moon mining outpost.
My ship is on the drop down but greyed out
Anyone know of this problem?
sturdy pelican
You got a screenshot?
hollow sedge
I went back to work :/
So was at the trade terminal, buy selected. When i hit the dropdown I could see my freelancer but it was a lighter shade and couldnt click on it to select it
(On a moon mining base)
Tried reparking on various pads/right outside the front door lol.
Google says self destruct and claim ship so will try that
(No cargo yet thankfully)
sturdy pelican
Yeah try that
Haven't had that problem
Is Titanium the ONLY high volume commodity right now
god damn lmao
fickle zephyr
and diamond
bright gate
I never see the 'find people in a cave' missions anymore. Do those still exist? Or just only on non-Crusader moons? Not sure how to find the caves without one.
daring vale
So, there is a bug that can be encountered, in which missions do not appear again on your contracts lists.
That is, when you see the mission and complete it, it will never appear on your list ever again. The only means to fix this is a character reset.
So, if you notice that some missions are not appearing, you may have succumbed to a new glitch.
sturdy pelican
@fickle zephyr what's your profit with the diamond runs
titanium runs are 100k profit
hollow sedge
What's a good route for high investment? Have 2 people in a ship rn.
Caterpillar
splittin profits
lofty crest
nothing atm, not for splittin profits
blazing oar
laranite if youre lucky and its late night
can net you a 350k odd proffit
but thats if youre lucky to get it
strange flume
Is there a trade route from PO to Cellin? cause a lot of people seem to hop back and forth from there
crimson mantle
@strange flume Cellin is home to the ever popular Tram & Myers Mining https://sc-trade.tools/shops/Stanton > Crusader > Cellin > Tram & Myers Mining
strange flume
ah thanks!
hollow sedge
this is life changing
fickle zephyr
@fickle zephyr what's your profit with the diamond runs
@sturdy pelican around 80k with 320k investment with cat
sturdy pelican
135c?
modern hedge
which moon/planet is best for cutty+roc combo
pallid temple
Arial
fickle zephyr
more hadanite per dolovine on aberdeen but not as good landscape
proven lily
I forgot the planets got a new paintjob, jumptown's gonna be fun to find
modern hedge
when will they reset all of the cash and bought ships
pallid temple
¯_(ツ)_/¯
pallid temple
wew
sturdy pelican
wtf is this, i'm at HDMS Bezdek to buy Titanium
I have never arrived here to see NO option to buy any titanium
is this a glitch
modern hedge
is hadanaite good
modern hedge
what is the ore price list? i cant find it on the sc trade tools
pallid temple
For ROC mineables?
Hadanite is 275 aUEC per gem
Aphorite is 152.5 aUEC per gem
Dolivine is 130 aUEC per gem
modern hedge
can i see the ore from insie of the ship, or do i have to leave everytime
last flame
You can see it
hold down left click when you've found a rock, and it will do a depth scan on the item, revealing the material
fickle zephyr
you can use that on ships too
its not 100% reliable of revealing what the cargo is
i have scanned my own cat with like 5% laranite and 95% titanium and the scanner said 100% laranite
i guess the MSR cargo dampening field could do something similar? "uh officer, just scrap here"
last flame
When it recommends those percentages, is that percentage the left number, or "percentage of mass"? Or the right number, the percentage of good stuff in the rock?
hollow sedge
percentage mass
percentage mass in the rock when you scan it
Quantainium will make you rich fast but it will blow up, so until you're experienced you might avoid that
last flame
All right. So Gold and Copper is rarely worth mining at all, because it's never likely to be 35% of mass
hollow sedge
right
before i had this chart i only earned 1,200 credits one time. I mined garbage.
another time i earned almost 200,000 credits.
last flame
Yeah, meanwhile I just found a 19% Quantanium rock in Aaron Halo.
hollow sedge
can your laser crack the quantanium? lower quality lasers might not be able to split that quan.
a nice person in this discord gifted me the 100k credits to buy the helix mining laser. keep your ears peeled for such rich offers. i'm poor.
last flame
Yeah I've got a Helix
hollow sedge
good.
I'm aiming to just get good enough to mine quan., then search longer for that. my recent character reset put me back at the start. but now i know what to do.
last flame
Yeah, one rock put me here. lol
The inert couldn't be helped, I got the first alarm pretty quick so scrambled
fortunately, getting to Aaron Halo from where I am is really easy and consistent
crimson mantle
@modern hedge The price list is shown when you select your mining equipment and then click on the blue button 🙂
modern hedge
Thank you very much
hollow sedge
guys is trading still worth it?
bright gate
watch out for helmet gankers around Port O. Generally fine elsewhere.
wet trench
Is smuggling a thing in 3.11 and if so, how do I get into it with a Black?
lofty crest
trading is nerfed to heck rn
its kinda fun to run group trading tho, then you can do stuff like TM<
wet trench
not trading in general
my boy and i clear a mil each day with trading
each
just stay out of crusader, make your trips short, reconnect to the best server each trade run
and dont bother landing in the real pad, just get yoyrself towed
safer
pliant matrix
how are calculated the value on sc trade tool? I made two trade with pretty different numbers than what is said on the site
last flame
Sc Trade Tool uses values found in the game files. But those values are constantly in flux on the server because of supply and demand
pliant matrix
I see. prices are a bit optimistic on the site tho xD
any recommendation for a small cargo ship to do some illegal cargo runs? I only have 100i with 2scu and was wondering which other I could use
I'm using freefreelancer for bigger trade actually but not very good for small one as it's very slow
pallid temple
ROC's still better
modern hedge
so just not worth renting atm
pliant matrix
how is roc better?
modern hedge
cuz he said it, and im pretty much new to the game, even though i bought it in 2016
pliant matrix
well since he said it xD
pliant matrix
what?? but it's just a tiny car? or maybe you only mine hand mats and not big rock like with prospector
I honestly didn't looked into it till now
pliant matrix
ok so it have it's own specific target
modern hedge
mhm
pliant matrix
good to know. and worth an ingame buy for 170k then
pallid temple
172k
untold olive
its like finding rocks for the prospector except the symbol for them is a gem/diamond
and you have to be alot closer for it to show up on hud
pliant matrix
so basically you land somewhere with a freelancer, get out with your buggy and mine stuff till it's full
climb back and go to sell
untold olive
yeah
modern hedge
nah, you fly around with a ship thta can store it, searching for it
well i mean, you can obv do it how you want
just how ive seen everyone else doing it
pallid temple
I wouldn't use a Freelancer
pliant matrix
well yeah since rocks aren't near each others. so you climb back and move somewhere helse
that's all I've to carry it
modern hedge
rent a cutty
untold olive
parking the ROC in the freelancer is really precise unlike the cutty which gives you some leeway
plus the cutty is only like 27k a day in rent
modern hedge
elevator?
pliant matrix
confused with andromeda
modern hedge
lol
frank grove
Cutty, Connie, what's the difference?
*runs*
modern hedge
not any difference
pliant matrix
without the bug part I'd take connie 100%. I like to fly it
pallid temple
You are 100% a masochist
modern hedge
me?
frank grove
Aren't we all masochists Doc? Just by virtue of being here?
pallid temple
Technically yes
But liking the Constellations willingly is another level of masochism
pliant matrix
connie is great for claimjumpers farm. big sniper pew pew
xD
except when it start spinning because one of the engine decided to stop
other question btw. is mustang alpha cargo 6scu or 4? some say they got it wrong on rsi page
pallid temple
It won't
last flame
Half your hold of Hadanite will get you roughly 90-100k
If you’re worried, understandably, the safest method is to mine a patch, then put the contents into your personal inventory.
That tends to stick around.
bright gate
Yeah a 30K will lose what's in the ROC
spare heath
For all those wondering
The star citizen page is full of misinformation/unupdated info on ships
Checkout https://www.erkul.games/calculator they pull all their info directly from game files and it is 100% up to date as of 3.11.0
last flame
Huh.
So, this was a decent run.
However, I don't think half my cargo hold was actually Quantanium.
Because I spent the latter half of the run mining Titanium, not Quartz
untold olive
just found out how good roc mining is
dont have to worry about percentages or anything not to mention you dont have to buy a helix or sumn
hollow sedge
where were you mining at?
gonna go give it a shot (at last) rn
untold olive
arial
hollow sedge
cool, thanks
last summit
When sitting in the pilot seat in a Mole. is there a way to scan whats in a rock with out going down to my mining laser?
tab scan just shows me where the rocks are. not whats in it
ohhh. just figured it out
right and left click at same time
last flame
Just left click
right click is for the pulse. You left-click when the rock is highlighted
lunar pollen
i feel like my freelancer is too small should i rent a constellation andromeda? whats the next step?
bright gate
A Freelancer MAX is rather bigger but flies the same.
vocal cradle
fickle zephyr
its silly that MAX isnt rentable
latent pasture
best place ot ROC mine?
wary vessel
Anywhere but Euterpe
fast briar
do you make more money in the roc as opposed to the prospector?
pallid temple
Yes
upper gulch
Does the Roc still have spawning issues and bouncing inside ship issues?
last flame
I do not believe those were fixed in the last patch deployed, so yes. Though you can reduce some of those issues by disabling power from your weapons on the ROC before attempting to board a ship
young glade
Is trading broken right now?
crimson mantle
@young glade What do you mean?
young glade
Are the trading websites up to date @crimson mantle
crimson mantle
https://sc-trade.tools is up-to-date!
With the caveat (https://sc-trade.tools/home#faq):
The universe simulation makes the prices vary based on supply and demand. Since the data comes from the static game files, the tools will currently only report the most optimistic profit to be made. I hope have dynamic prices in the future.
No one can hook into the game's servers to get precise stock info, so SC Trade Tools gets all its data from the game's static files, which do not reflect the supply/demand.
It's still as close as you'll get 🙂
young glade
Ok so no one can track supply and demand at this time
crimson mantle
Correct, and it's not even in the cards for CIG for now: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/50259/thread/external-third-party-access-is-it-possible/3420709
young glade
Do you Know if they will change the servers being intertwined with one another on supply and demand.
crimson mantle
The economy, stocks and prices are already all linked together and obey supply and demand right now.
As for their plans, I don't know anything more than you do!
young glade
Are all servers supply and demand the same
crimson mantle
The price (and supply) is the same on all severs.
young glade
@crimson mantle So i never really understood how the sc trade tool website works do you have a video you can send to me as a guide for the website
crimson mantle
Unfortunetly no, not at the moment :(
But you're not the first one to ask this, so I must not have done a great job at the interface 😄
I'll try to get something together.
young glade
Thank you that will be great
crimson mantle
@young glade But essentially you just put in your ship and cash, and you get trade routes!
If you want, you might add a refresh rate filter of ~¼ your cargo capacity to make sure the shop will have your cargo.
mortal linden
A am sorry, but you did an amazing job, @crimson mantle
errant nova
@crimson mantle some feedback on the sites -- a quick explanation of each tab and what the differences between them/why you'd use one over the other would be helpful. I don't know what en route is vs. trade routes vs. best buyer.
the blurb that's there isn't really informative.
crimson mantle
@errant nova Fair enough! Although I tried to convey the function of each tool on the homepage's cards (https://sc-trade.tools/home#tools), I'll try to make it more explicit 🙂
spare heath
just lost 240k due to a 30k error
can anyone spot me cash now that I am completely broke
last flame
Man, mining really does turn into a game of "letting perfect get in the way of good enough"
pallid temple
Yeup
last flame
50k on a turn-in from the Prospector doesn't look great, until you realize you can do those runs like 3 times an hour
tender walrus
How do i start mining ? I have a medium freighter, but no monies to get The Drills...
last flame
You need either
- A hand-mining tool for FPS mining
- A ROC ground vehicle for ground-based mining, and a ship capable of carrying it
- A dedicated mining ship, such as the Prospector or MOLE
https://space4games.com/en/games-en/star-citizen-mining this guide is a good starting point
errant nova
Your prospector should have come with a mining laser. It's not the strongest one but if you're patient you can make it work on a lot of rocks the game says are too difficult.
tender walrus
And its any rocks that i scan ?
Trying to work out why i have a prospector.. I haven't brought anything ;D
errant nova
using scan mode will tell you which rocks have some potential for ore, you can then use mining mode and just aiming at them will give you the breakdown of whats in them
tender walrus
And collecting the ore ?
errant nova
is done by the mining laser
you right click it to switch between fracturing mode (to break up the rock) and extraction mode (to suck up the ore)
errant nova
but either mode will tell you what's in it, you just have to aim at the rock
you can sell it back at the station, you go to the refinery, but I'm not really an expert at how to maximize profit at that sort of thing, if there's a way
tender walrus
Nice. I'm going to get the hand tool aswell. i have some red and grey big suit with a backpack
Just want to get some extra cash so i can switch shitty fixed weapons to gimbal.
pallid temple
Fixed weapons aren't shit
tender walrus
With 20 frames they are bud
pallid temple
If you think fixed weapon assist at 20fps is bad.. then you're in for one hell of a ride with autogimbal at 20fps
tender walrus
1070 is dying on this unoptimized game, playing against a little nerd with a Joystick is not fun
I don't use auto gimbal, i use the manual mode
I hit shots 9/10 in comparison with the Fixed
pallid temple
...which is still fixed
last flame
Wrong channel for this. This is for cargo and mining; your combat is one channel up
Also make sure before you go on a mining run of the ship you have; everyone has a Freelancer, which is a medium freighter, for free
Prospector will be listed as "Light Mining"
last flame
@crimson mantle I'm noticing your Ore Value Index for places such as the Aaron Halo or Yela orbital ring is incredibly small by comparison. Is this due to the size of those locations, or is it supposed to imply that time spent on a planet will result in more mineable material than an equivalent amount of time in the asteroid fields?
crimson mantle
@last flame It's due to the density of minables: in space they are 8-10km apart. On the ground they are much closer and cluster more.
As to what's more profitable: I find that flying in space is much easier than planet mining, but I guess that's preference.
green sundial
space mining has a significant downside though atm with the mass of a rock being limited at 5122
crimson mantle
So ideally, you only compare locations with locations of the same type :/
green sundial
space is the only place where the Prospector flies well 😄
crimson mantle
Rock size is another thing I have to improve the parsing on 🤔
green sundial
what do you mean?
crimson mantle
Right now the tools assumes the rock sizes are the same everywhere
which is why ROC minables seem so high valued
last flame
Prospector flies pretty well in VTOL mode if you understand how to abuse the auxiliary thrusters. Because of the way they rotate, the Prospector does better vertically than laterally.
So you can get some good speed, then bank hard and put your engines under you and stop surprisingly fast
green sundial
hmm
@crimson mantle I have a 200K aUEC question for you. what Bexalite's Instability, Resistance, and Optimal Power Window values are in its 100% pure state?
crimson mantle
Oh give me a few min, I can get that to you later today
It might be by deposit type
green sundial
I'm completely serious about the 200K auec btw, send me your handle if you find the info
that is if you want it. if you don't thats cool too
crimson mantle
would that info be useful on the website? what would you use it for?
green sundial
I've collected all the pure mineral/ore values for all of them except bexalite. its part of my mining guide supplement
crimson mantle
ah ok, cool
green sundial
someone sent me a 97% bex rock readout but I want the pure sample
99% resistance on that 97%. Bex is tough
I also link to your mining section a few times in my Guide, hope you don't mind
you created a great section for filtering where things are
crimson mantle
I saw that!
No problem, the info is there to be used.
green sundial
SC has become so big now its next to impossible to just go out and survey in a timely manner anymore
crimson mantle
yup, that's why I created SC Trade Tools as well: when they ramp up systems, we won't be able to do it by hand!
crimson mantle
I'll start digging the data files and I'll come back to you
green sundial
rgr that
just DM me on here even if you don't find the info
Bexalite @97% 8.23 0.99 0.66 - 0.72 6%
Name - Instability - Resistance - Optimal Power Window - Total Green Zone(my value)
This is what I have for the 97% chunk
my guess is that the only thing that changes for the pure sample is the instability going to 8.25%
untold olive
Is there a good reason to save up for a Freelancer MAX? Currently ive just been mining and I'd like to know if it would be profitable to go with a MAX when i get the money
untold olive
A mix of ROC and Prospector, although the past two days have been ROC
green sundial
you''re probably making alot more profit then with the ROC and Prospector honestly
what have you been using to transport the ROC?
untold olive
cuttie
green sundial
good ship
the MAX makes a great transport as well with its wide bay
though personally the Valk is better imo
untold olive
but in terms of cargo running is the MAX a good choice?
green sundial
its good for beginners at the upper end of their starter career I'd say
120 SCU is nothing to sneeze at, but after it you'll want to upgrade to somehting bigger
I'd wait for a Taurus personally
but I do like the MAX. handles pretty good, great capacity for its size
can carry vehicles easily
I'm sorry I'm rambling on
green sundial
its not a ship you want to be stuck long term with if you're only going to use it for cargo
if you want it, make sure its for both cargo and vehicle transport. it can carry 2 ROCs easily, or an URSA and other smaller ones too
untold olive
yeah that was gonna be my main uses for it
crimson mantle
@green sundial
From "Data\Libs\Foundry\Records\mining\mineableelements\bexalite.xml":
elementInstability="8" elementResistance="1" elementOptimalWindowMidpoint="0.7" elementOptimalWindowMidpointRandomness="0" elementOptimalWindowThinness="0.9" elementExplosionMultiplier="64" elementClusterFactor="0.5"
green sundial
hmm
crimson mantle
Those attributes can be a bit hard to decipher/line-up sometimes
green sundial
that doesn't line up with the current data collected
crimson mantle
If you have another mineral you have 100%, I can give it to you and you can check
crimson mantle
My guess is that those things are applied on top of the deposit variables, but I haven't found those yet
crimson mantle
elementInstability="3" elementResistance="0.5" elementOptimalWindowMidpoint="0.7" elementOptimalWindowMidpointRandomness="0" elementOptimalWindowThinness="0.5" elementExplosionMultiplier="27" elementClusterFactor="0.3"
elementInstability="10" elementResistance="0.85" elementOptimalWindowMidpoint="0.4" elementOptimalWindowMidpointRandomness="0.1" elementOptimalWindowThinness="1.75" elementExplosionMultiplier="2" elementClusterFactor="0.5"
crimson mantle
Would that be how much they gather in a sub-chunk?
crimson mantle
Hum, if that's the case I can definitely add that to the site...
crimson mantle
elementInstability="0.4" elementResistance="0" elementOptimalWindowMidpoint="0.5" elementOptimalWindowMidpointRandomness="0" elementOptimalWindowThinness="0" elementExplosionMultiplier="1" elementClusterFactor="0"
0
green sundial
YES!
I KNEW IT
HAHAHAHA
Aluminum disrupts clumping of others
spreads out too much
I tried to DM you but you have it disabled
crimson mantle
I'll try to put those numbers up on the website for the MSR update... 😉
green sundial
can you message me right quick so we don't fill this channel up with stuff
last flame
"How likely an element is to stay together pure", oh, so when you break a rock, how much of the element is likely to stick together in one harvestable, rather than split across three?
last flame
So a rock could be exactly what you’re looking for, but if it’s got Aluminum in it, that rock is likely to be a pain to get what you want out of it?
green sundial
yeah if its got AL in it then your desired stuff may go all over the place
it'll depend on the desired elemnt's factor more i nthat case
untold olive
So the lower the cluster factor, the more likely its to creep into all the other chunks?
green sundial
yep
so take Aluminum with its value of 0. it spreads out.....everywhere
but Agricium, tends to stay together more often than not
untold olive
that explains a bit
green sundial
?
untold olive
like why i would break a 50% agricium rock into chunks and it would almost always break into either pure inert and agricium
green sundial
thats been my experience as well
vast bobcat
Anyone mind showing me a Valkyrie
last flame
That also explains Borase being such a pain to mine
green sundial
yep
Name Cluster Factor
Quantanium 0.5
Bexalite 0.5
Borase 0.3
Taranite 0.6
Laranite 0.7
Agricium 0.8
Hephaestanite 0.3
Titanium 0.1
Diamond 0.5
Gold 0.6
Copper 0.2
Beryl 0.3
Tungsten 0.4
Corundum 0.4
Quartz 0.34
Aluminum 0
Inert Material ??
don't know what the cluster factor of inert is, SC-tools couldn't find it. I suspect that its actually .4 or .5ish
Titanium is a pain in the ass to mine because of its .1 factor
its an active detriment to mining
last flame
This is fantastic, Sunder, thank you for this information
and inert seems like it has a pretty high cluster factor, yeah.
And you, @crimson mantle for your assistance in this, as well
green sundial
don't thank me, @crimson mantle provided the data, I was just able to interpret it from my previous observations
together we were able to come to conclusions on the other XML data too. he even made a good graph about one of the entries
maybe he'll post it
crimson mantle
I can't quite figure out the formula for the green-zone size yet :/
green sundial
its not a smooth regression is it?
crimson mantle
not that I can find
green sundial
it probably won't be. look at the instabilities and other rock's green zones. it jumps around some
I have to do some rewrites on my Supplement tonight for posting tomorrow with this new info but my 3.11 Mining Guide is in a good spot atm
so get this, before I even knew the factors, I had already guessed pretty good from personal experience how each was. I was wrong about copper though, so wrong
spare heath
I had a 30k error earlier
lost all my cargo
fat rip anyone wanna spare me 200k and Ill pay you back when I make some profits
last flame
Sounds like it's time for some FPS mining for stating capital again
fickle zephyr
its really hard to trade this patch
i loose my cargo so often that my capital shrinks over several days
this was not the case in 3.10
including loosing cargo you could still do 200k/h
often more
if you just have enough millions to start
it was very hard up to like 3 million and then it took off
when you can afford a couple of 30k's in a row and still keep going then you always turned a good profit
it has not been the case for me in this patch at all
last flame
3.10 also had a trade exploit, so it's not exactly a great comparison
fickle zephyr
that was a huge problem
it was impossible to trade things like laranite
luckily it was just the last weeks that it was completly broken
where the expoilters made it impossible to do normal trade
like lathan and bezdek was always empty
with their huge refill rates
and prices over 8 for titanium some times
tender olive
for mining now what planet do you usually go for and where do you turn in mined ores?
last flame
I've personally been using my Prospector and will sometimes go to either the moons of Crusader, Aberdeen around Hurston, or the Aaron Halo
I tend to turn in to Levski or Port Olisar
tender olive
havent played in a while so i guess they added some new planets?
i usually went to daymar or delamar whichever is closest to port ollisar
tender olive
the new mining ui how is it? did they change the scanning too cuz it seemed a bit random
pallid temple
@tender olive The Building Blocks Mining UI isn't in-game yet
pallid temple
Building Blocks is CiG's in-house User Interface technology
last flame
You can, yes
vestal plume
SUPER stoked to be able to ROC mine again......but I hadn't missed this feeling of praying you'll get through the process without a 30K. sniffle
Was on a great run that time. Server had seemed great
green sundial
the game detects people having fun and sends a 30K their way
untold olive
In my case they detected me having fun mining and sent a random gladius to me
also decided to completely stop my attempt at QT'ing out as it just faded the options out as soon as i tried to
upper gulch
Ah the Roc is sooo annoying. It was spinning in my cargo and it hit/killed me 😦
I just wanna go around with my connie and mine but everytime I try, the Roc just flies around
vestal plume
Reporting back....ROC mining is once again a joke for me. I'm sure it's great for others. Back to 30K's soon as I'm starting to do well, and if it's not that then it's a rock I didn't see, or like just now where I have a new issue where my ramp keeps going up when I try to enter. What a friggin joke.
Four tries in a row. Zero creds. Done, and disappointed in the fixes.
wraith saffron
Is there a way to turn something in your backpack into a package you can carry?
last flame
I believe it's the "Store All Commodities" button when you right click
wraith saffron
ahh loots like you might need to be in a ship or something?
yup, i coulnt do it outside, but soon as i was on my ship i could... strange
last flame
I have a suspicion it does it like that specifically so people can't just walk up to your ROC and dump everything into a box you can carry without you noticing.
hollow sedge
Hey, I'm trying to mine with the ROC for the first time (finally)
I'm trying to hit this rock but even with full throttle nothing is changing
Rock energy level, fracture, overcharge, etc. don't change
Energy transfer does change though
wraith saffron
you have to be mining the "dijmaond" not the "rock" i cons
wraith saffron
yup
and dont break the rock if its has an overchage or the cryustals go everywhere
and their a PITA to pick up
and if your trying to sit still in your ROC but you keep moving, counter-steer it should keep you still
last flame
Alternatively, shut off your engine
it'll be on the left side. That should let your ROC settle and it won't drift away from you
hollow sedge
Are there volatile roc mineables btw?
last flame
Not at present
wraith saffron
anyone have a bug where you cant pull minerals out of the ROC and into your backpack?
i have 10 in my ROC storage, and it wont pick up anymore
hollow sedge
Wow, that tractor beam bug is really a PITA
Didn't think it'd be so bad but there's no way I'm gonna be able to pick up these things in a timely fashion lol
coarse cape
so for doing trade runs what a good ship to grind for
currently using the freelancer
fickle zephyr
what turret is what on MOLE?
turret 1,2,3
left, middle right?
i have 2 helix to put on would be nice to know where they are 🙂
seems like 3=right
wraith saffron
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tender olive
how do i get to aaron halo
untold olive
anyone have an idea as to why when i fill my prospector completely it only shows up as like 2107/3200? Its been dropping my profit by like 70%
half holly
kinda new to mining but what is the best place to mine on foot? I dont have a mining ship yet
last flame
Any cave should be fine. https://space4games.com/en/games-en/star-citizen-mining/ Check this guide
bright gate
The ROC tractor is flakey. Sometimes works great, sometime not at all.
tender olive
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572706150286622720/769554065503682600/unknown.png
any argo mole drivers know why i cant see mass in the first seat or % of ores
or if the screen is suppose to be in the way for looking at ores
last flame
From what I understand, the forward turret is a little bugged
You should see it on the left or right turret
tender olive
takes a lot more time tho since i am solo in a mule hehe
green sundial
@tender olive switch to scan mode and scan it right quick to see what it is
tender olive
ah true
green sundial
but I can tell you just from the instability that its a worthless rock
too much inert
tender olive
got 30k from taking the whole thing
was on my way to a space station tried finding aaron halo but got lost
green sundial
😄
tender olive
knew it was a useless rock but you know why not
green sundial
every bit helps right?
tender olive
60-90k helps in currency
green sundial
https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-complete-test-squadron-mining-guide-v3-11.18088/ The TEST Squadron Mining Guide is out. Fully updated to Patch 3.11
tender olive
seen the sapce4games one is this one better?
black sunder where do you prefer mining btw?
green sundial
I don't have a prefercnce
tender olive
aaron halo seems like a nice area
when you looking for a resource what do you consider a good rock to mine from? noticed that it takes a lot time finding a decent one was mostly mining on daymar
green sundial
I generally only mine what I call Primary minerals/Ores, the ones with the highest values to sell
I'll usually mine any Agricium rock as long as its 5% or more
tender olive
kk
for extracting what percentages do you usually look for i am a bit new to mining still
green sundial
Agricium? 80% or above
Laranite: 70%
Taranite: 60%
Boarase: same
Bexalite:same
Quantanium - 30%+
tender olive
ah
tender olive
i like spending my time efficient impossible on this game tho considering there is a bug delaying you every 30 min hehe
green sundial
I wish you the best of luck on the hunt
tender olive
tyty will see how much i get
crude cape
Hey, looking for somebody to teach me the ropes on mining so I can make money XD
willow girder
Buy a mole and get rich. 😁
crude cape
Haha probably expensive ship for me, for now
spare heath
its 2:19 pm do you know where your children are
mortal linden
It's 9:55 pm, no
green sundial
its 2 AM, fear is gone
grave geyser
fickle zephyr
i have consumeables equipped on all 3 mining heads on mole but they arent useable, i could use them the first mining round and since then they just refuse
zealous iron
prospector vs mole?
green sundial
prospector
green sundial
keep in mind you can't use a laser form the mole cockpit
you must be in one of the cabs
and the sidecabs will require environmental armor as they are open to atmosphere/space
zealous iron
kk
green sundial
but really theres no rock in this game right now that can't be mined by 2 people
stay in the pilot chair and move the ship as your miners need it
fickle zephyr
stock is bad, Klein S2 cost 10k credits and is worth it if you cant afford helix 2 for 108k
anything else isnt really worth getting
1 helix and 2 Klein is an excellent combination until bigger rocks are in the game
idle blade
When your ship gently taps something and you have quantanium, is it supposed to turn into inert or is that a bug
untold olive
probably a bug, sounds similar to my issue of half my cargo turning to air
fickle zephyr
i have had that bug many times
in 3.11
i was also on about that "does a bump make it turn inert" but no, perfect flight and landing can still cause it
green sundial
klein is a very bad laser to use. it increases instability by 50%
fickle zephyr
and the guide havent been updated since 3.9
zealous iron
we sell mined stuff at refineries right?
north umbra
So if you have a ROC in the ship and you spawn another ROC while that is in the ship.. You'll be stock with a ROC in the ship you have no ownership of and end up with a object taking up space 😄
spare heath
Hey so quesfion with anyone
Fuck
Question FOR anyone
Who here believes that the mining system needs a major overhaul
Obviously with a developer video they showcased the new GUI
But like pricing and shit
Ores should be worth more otherwise why the fuck would I mine things like aluminum and tungsten
I mean its a pissance but its not worth it at all
Well of course first they need server meshing so the game can ACTUALLY FUCKING WORK but
Besides the glaringly obvious point about the game being a buggy crash filled barely working train wreck
Cargo needs to be reupped and mining needs to be reupped
Why reduce the prices of your economy items
Like FUCk
upper tapir
I’m not sure. The fact that you can mine yourself an end game level ship in 2 weeks makes me think we earn too much. If that carries on everyone will driving around in their idriss to go and buy bread.
pallid temple
You underestimate both the price and running costs of an Idris
amber terrace
- Mining is buffed because they want to test mining attachements, ROC, survival, etc.
- After Quanta comes online prices will be changing all the time
- Mining will have other stages like refining, so it could be possible some raw materials will be worth more only if you do these later stages of gameplay loop
north umbra
Every game that has some form of a "economy" always ends up with people crazy rich and having everything they need. This can only be fixed by either doing a complete character wipe when the game drops into a proper release or a real player based economy comes into play.
The issue with a player based economy becomes dangerous though because people will drive up prices so high that it becomes to a point where the general user can't obtain anything.
So this becomes a situation where not only do you want a public economy but you want a AI based economy to work along side to artificially increase or decrease pricing across the board to make things fair for everyone.
What direction will SC go? We'll see
last flame
Why would you want to boost aluminum? Prices tend to be based on rarity and difficulty of accumulation, in most every game. A widely abundant material is going to sell for a pittance because it takes zero effort to acquire
You’re not supposed to want to mine things like Aluminum and Tungsten, as they’re the “difficulty you weed through to get to the good stuff”.
lofty crest
What if the richer you are the more you get taxed
verbal cargo
30k is the great equalizer!
wraith saffron
is the cutty red better at scanning for ROC minerals that the cutty black (is it upgrading)
fathom silo
How do you make a box from your backpack inventory?
wraith saffron
Neas93, "i" then right click on your item, them click the bottom button
make sure you have a ship that can carry cargo (has a cargo mesh) if you doing this with hand mining ore, when you go to sell it the ship will say you have 0ECU or whatever the unit is, but thats ok, you click on your ship and you can still select your hand/ROC mining minerals
clear as mud, typed to fast, badatgrammar
the "bottom button" is "store all commodities"
fathom silo
Awesome! Thx!
fickle zephyr
@north umbra i have 2 ROC's and have both spawned with no issue
fathom silo
So.. isnt IT possible to handmine om the surface anymore?
bright gate
It is difficult to have a real 'economy' when one of the fundamental aspects of the world the economy is in is "If you don't enjoy being here, you can just leave'.
fickle zephyr
replace the outdated guide
tender olive
do you still have to do beacons or can you send ppl money now?
bright gate
Have been having an odd problem with ROCs lately. Seems can only mine five or six rocs and then the ROC laser just stops having any effect on anything. Think it's a desync issue, mainly because when when the ROC gets in that state, if different PCs look at the ROC beam some of them see cutting beams while others see collection beams. This happening to anyone else?
Reclaiming the ROC fixes it but it's annoying to have to break off and do that regularly.
fathom silo
I just spent 30 min looking for hadanite om Daymar.. found an awesome cluster of nodes.. mulitool had NO effect what so ever..
fathom silo
Oh? But anyhow... I was just wondering... Since my tool littaraly didnt move the bar at all
fickle zephyr
you need the mine hand mineable rocks with multitool, not ROC-mineable
fathom silo
How do i know the difference?
fickle zephyr
they will be 0.1-0.2 mass instead of 0.7-0.9
fickle zephyr
no only buy at new deal 172k
crimson mantle
There's more hadanite on Aberdeen, but ROC and hand-minable: https://sc-trade.tools/mining
fathom silo
Gonna try it out tomorrow... Having a hard time figuring out how to do this 😂
fickle zephyr
@crimson mantle would it be possible to break up mineable density into biomes of each moon/planet?
crimson mantle
I'm looking into that 🙂
fickle zephyr
and, a suggestion in the trade calculator, to be able to select selling and buying places separatly
fathom silo
@pallid temple is it primary hand or roc based min on Arial? Or is it random?
Im as poor as a backalley cat atm
pallid temple
Its mainly ROC mining
But if you do get lucky you will see clusters of Aphorite, which is hand mineable
crimson mantle
@fickle zephyr There's https://sc-trade.tools/en-route for that 😄
bright gate
I think I once tried to use a ROC on a hand-minable rock. It pretty much exploded the second the beam hit it.
fathom silo
@pallid temple does thst include Dolovine?
fickle zephyr
@crimson mantle another idea is to shouw how big part of the total mineables that is each comodity
north umbra
@fickle zephyr and both ROCs were usable by you?
fickle zephyr
like its only 50 quantanium here, but its 10% of all mineables, and here its 500 quantanium but its only 1% of all mineables
@north umbra buy the party members
fathom silo
@pallid temple Well.. gone to Lyria.. its litteraly spotting out of the ground everywhere! Is it even Worth mining? Have heard so much about ppl avoiding it
north umbra
Yeah I was the only person at the time
mellow flame
any of you guys want to do some squad mining in ROCs
fickle zephyr
do you need more than one ROC spawned if you are solo?
do you often damage it or something?
north umbra
Well no. The situation was that my ROC was damaged beyond use. I figured I could just respawn a new one and the old would go away
fickle zephyr
did you claim and respawn the same one?
green sundial
@wraith saffron thank you for linking my Guide
north umbra
I'm not sure honestly. I just know I ended up with two 😄