Quantanium might be possible for 400k per hour but good luck trying to find, mine, then fill that much with a 15 minute timer once you load the first bunch of it.
#industrial-professions
worldly vector
sonic laurel
Break all the rocks first then vaccum up and high-tail it.
errant warren
Yea where tf do you find Quantanium
storm dove
Euterpe is one...
quite challenging conditions though, so i'd be happy to hear if there are easier ones... 😛
wispy moth
storm dove
tyvm
uneven gazelle
ive never mined and traded on a prospector before where do u usually go to trade
PO?
pallid temple
Anywhere with a refinery terminal
uneven gazelle
i cant tell which is that ive been to lorville and it didnt take
pallid temple
GrimHEX, PO, New Babbage
Those are the locations I know of that have a refining terminal
uneven gazelle
ok
green sundial
lorville has the refinery terminal in the admin office
uneven gazelle
oh thats why i couldn't find it
green sundial
@crimson mantle I have a suggestion for your site. Would it be possible for you to have a section dedicated to component stats but instead of like Erkul which cherry picks a few that you could list all of the stats from the database about ship components, weapons, mining heads, etc. And if this was done, you could also create a comparrison tool letting people select different components of the same class and size and see highlights of what is better and worse between them
crimson mantle
I can put it on the list. So far I'm focusing on Trade Tools (hence the name :D). I'm currently working on mining.
Erkul does have something like what you describe in their components page.
grizzled grove
I haven't seen a site with full accurate stats for everything
green sundial
Thank you for putting it under consideration @crimson mantle
crimson mantle
I've seen this, but that's it:
Another data extractor is https://scunpacked.com/items?type=Armor
green sundial
I've seen the same but it lacks overclocking data, component life expectancy and other things
hollow sedge
so the exploit or bug with re scanning a deposit and it changing the composition, does not require you to leave the atmo, only 30km distance from deposit and back again. can be within the atmo. if you leave a rock and travel more than 30km and come back it will rescan different results
green sundial
they fixed that bug in the 3.11 Evo
hollow sedge
ye
i wihs wecould tag items
instead of using boxes
or had external storage for 4 crates
sonic laurel
If everyone could that would reduce the value of exploration ships who are supposed to be able to do that and even sell the beacons eventually.
green sundial
that doesn't devalue them, it would let miners go back to where they were after they had to leave to sell a load
dense crescent
f
nimble lily
where can you sell astatine
old moat
Area 18
crimson mantle
@nimble lily At these locations: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Astatine 🙂
frail rivet
I don’t get how to use this website
crimson mantle
Then I didn't do a good job at providing an intuitive user experience!
@frail rivet What are you having trouble with?
verbal cargo
whats the best place to mine with a roc
pallid temple
Arial
sonic laurel
what do I do if I find a cluster of rocks and they won't scan?
serene quest
Keep strong, Move on
dusk vapor
Just wanted better understand what the 30k error is. I think I have encountered it and yes during a cargo transport. Would it be worth to log out of the server from you bed on the ship so that you don't loose your ship. Or could the developers make it so that if your ship isn't docked in a port or station then it will respawn you there?
round lintel
Unfortunately I'm pretty sure until icache comes, a 30k means your cargo is completely unrecoverable
tacit mauve
Holy crap the Caterpillar - I have so many questions
Never flown one before today via free fly and wow - I think I love it or I hate it and I can’t tell which
The layout is so weird and seemingly inefficient but also I didn’t know it had so many guns. I thought it was purely a hauler like the prospector is a miner and therefore useless for combat but I feel like a Cat should be able to defend itself well if crewed
round lintel
Yup
If you get jumped in a CAT while flying solo you're dead meat, but fully crewed it can take care of itself, especially since it can store a couple of Dragonflies without sacrificing too much cargo space
tacit mauve
It’s a beautiful ship in its own way
round lintel
Mining on Arial, water at 34% but the holds only 40% full
I wasn't wearing my Pembroke for the first cluster and my water has vanished
arctic nova
Did they fix the penbroke not having inventory space?
round lintel
No
dense crescent
Is there a better way to mine hadanite than fps? it’s just such a pain in the ass picking them up by hand
urban ledge
I also found a nice grouping, but then got 30k
old moat
@crimson mantle Does the website factor in buying caps? Like for instance with the Laranite?
hollow sedge
@dense crescent , yes, use a ROC
rotund abyss
how long do i need to wait until i can sell to a place again
flint current
where do u sell in port tressler
crimson mantle
@old moat Yes it does! You can view the maximum inventory of the shops and their refresh rates by ticking the "Show stock details" filter.
That being said, those are the static values from the game's files, not the live data from the servers. There's no way to get those at the moment.
If you want to limit your trades to "safe" shops that are most likely stocked all the time, consider using a high "Show stock details" > "Minimum refresh rate" filter.
@old moat But I'm aware that unavailable stock is a big issue; I run into it all the time myself! It's the main reason why I added the "Show alternatives" button (small orange "list" button).
This way at least, if you can't fill your hold on the primary commodity, you can know what else you can sell for a profit at your destination!
storm dove
Everus Harbor refinery terminal... where can I find it?
pallid temple
In the admin office
storm dove
Admin? Didn't see it there....
pallid temple
Its in the lobby
frigid osprey
@dense crescent yes the ROC is way better
lean heart
i can buy caterpillar in game?
main saddle
Yes, at Teach's iirc (levski) It's about 4 mil
green sundial
@storm dove here is no refinery terminal in orbital stations, you can only sell gems there at this time until we get refinery decks
storm dove
Yep, that's what I finally figured out. 😛
vestal plume
This an ok spot for new questions? Looking to select my first ever mission (delivery) and not sure what variables to pay attention to, other than the best order to likely pick multiple packages up in (based on final location)
I'm assuming the shadier sounding ones in 'personal' are potentially illegal
pallid temple
They're unlawful yes
sand umbra
yo imagine trying to sell diamond @ po
ow8 i cant bc half the game is selling from 10 cats at once
inb4 ports start shooting @ loiterers
lavish wharf
Someone have a very nice trade route to make money easly ?
crimson mantle
What's your ship and capital?
lavish wharf
35 000 AUEC - Caterpillar or Constellation
crimson mantle
There's a circular trade route to make some money on the way back (the repeat button)
If they ran out of diamonds, consider trading the alternatives (the list icon)
lavish wharf
thanks man
crimson mantle
If you'd prefer avoiding port olisar for the time being, you can exclude it in the filters 🙂
My pleasure!
lavish wharf
I can buy max stock supplies each how many times ?
crimson mantle
So when it says
Buy 5 982 Diamond for ¤34 994,7 UEC
Max 200 000 units + 162 002/min
That means you should try to buy 5 982.
The shop only has a maximum available of 200k, and when people buy from it it replenishes at a rate of 162k/minute.
So if you are the only one doing that trade, you can do it infinite times.
lavish wharf
Oh nice okay ! Nice to know
crimson mantle
Of course you probably aren't the only one, but gigantic refresh rates like that are pretty safe.
When you see only a few 100s as a refresh rate, then you might not be able to take a full load.
lavish wharf
where can I see the refresh rate ?
crimson mantle
In those cases, you can use the "find alternatives" button: https://i.imgur.com/r45hn1O.png
You can see it by clicking this option: https://i.imgur.com/thnAZJU.png
"Show stock details"
lavish wharf
Thanks man
crimson mantle
It's my pleasure! I'm working on this tool to make it easier to trade for everyone 🙂
Until we have equivalent tooling in-game, I'll be here!
lavish wharf
You'r making a nice work, it's quite usefull 🙂 Just made 5M more by selling my supplys
polar charm
can anyone tell me why me and my friend only can find rocks that are to big to mine with handheld tools? And no, i dont mean giant boulders, just rocks that are a tiny bit bigger than those i found when playing 3-4 months ago. They have the diamond sign on them when we scan with the ship, but we cant seem to mine them. What are we not understanding??
pallid temple
@polar charm Those are rocks that only the Greycat ROC can mine
polar charm
@pallid temple what about the small rock deposites, i remember that i could find them on planets before, but now we cant find anything. did they move all of them to caves, or are we just getting unlucky?
pallid temple
They seem to be very rare on moon surfaces now
polar charm
kk
crimson mantle
@polar charm They are mostly found in caves now.
@polar charm From the data mining, they are most common on Yela, but even then there's 4X more ROC rocks: so chances are, if you see a diamond icon, it's not hand-minable.
lavish wharf
Why can't I sell all my med supplies to the station ?
crimson mantle
@lavish wharf Medical supplies are usually bought in very small quantities: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Medical Supplies
The important number is the refresh rate.
lavish wharf
oh okay 😮
crimson mantle
The big planet cities will buy 20SCU/min, so they're not bad.
lavish wharf
During the quatum drive my game lagged and i've been ejected and killed from my ship
did i've lost all my supplys ?
rapid mantle
Yes, Kamitokanize. You can 'Claim' your ship from a ship terminal, but all the cargo is lost (and the aUEC that you spent on it) - sorry ! That's that risk right now.
lavish wharf
Thanks :c
serene quest
which ports sell mining lasers?
serene quest
this game won't let me mine!
silent ice
If you land and store the ship will the cargo be lost as well?
trail charm
no
silent ice
ty!
serene quest
what're these second set of numbers to the right of 2.00 and 2.01 ?
warm belfry
brittle cloak
@serene quest Good Question, I'd like to know too
woeful gazelle
mining is very safe 😛
what're these second set of numbers to the right of 2.00 and 2.01 ?
@serene quest these are the numbers how much of the relative percentage of valuable materials the respective mineral is
so you have 2% of Agri and 2.01% of Titanium which is respectively 49.85% and 50.15% of total valuable minerals of the whole rock
rotund abyss
Anyone know anygood trade routes i have 150000 credits and a caterpillar
wind summit
if you wanna keep those 150000 credits I would just not trade at all...lol I'm sure you can sometimes make it, but you can lose all of that in a single 30k. if I get caught by a 30k I lose about 400k-600k...for about 90k profit.
humble brook
Hello, just curious as I've not run cargo properly before, but what are the best cargo and routes to run in a freelancer? 🙂 Thanks.
sick hearth
Looking for more in my roc and mole group , voice chat over discord required
Send pm for discord invite
lavish wharf
Where can I find Quantainium in Hight quantity ?
sick hearth
Microtech
crimson mantle
@humble brook Give a try to https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes and let me know what you think 🙂
sick hearth
I like tools like this for trade , but you really need to see the trees in the forest
green sundial
@serene quest the 2nd number is the % of the overall mass that mineral concentration(1st number) is in
so to use your picture, Agricium at a concentration of 2% is present in 49.85% of the rock
this is not a good rock to mine
crimson mantle
What do you mean @sick hearth ? I'm always looking to improve it, so I'm open to suggestion!
sick hearth
I’ve use gallog more but I always found the trade routes to offer something the trade post is not capable of
It’s really annoying landing a cat to pick up astatine when all the trade post has is med supply’s
So I developed a scout program where real people I trust send the info over a google form that post to our discord on submit
crimson mantle
Right. The listings, as far as what is offered, are accurate. The thing is, there's no way to hook into CIG's servers to know the current live inventory.
Running into the problem myself all the time, I've tried to alleviate it by adding the "alternative commodities" button (the little orange list icon), this way you can at least haul something else to the same destination.
That's a pretty cool tool you have then!
The issue I've found is that since most shops get bought out/refill such a significant percentage of their stock in minutes, there's no way for players to accurately report prices and be up-to-date: any price listing older than a few minutes could be widly wrong.
crimson mantle
Yeah, that's pretty neat 🙂
sick hearth
thanks, its not perfect of course
crimson mantle
SC Trade Tools uses the static data from the game's files: this way the info is accurate. It does mean that it also doesn't change to reflect the game's economy 😦
sick hearth
2hrs of development is enough for a alpha
i use tools like yours to give to my scouts to get the norms , they can go verify the price and gives me some time to plan longer routes
crimson mantle
to each their own use, as long as people find it useful 🙂
humble brook
@crimson mantle Thanks a bunch! 😄
polar charm
Yo, does anyone know if its possible to rent the greycat ROC, if so where.. If not where can i buy it, and for how much?
grizzled grove
The ROC will be purchaseable ingame next patch (3.11)
polar charm
what about rentable?
grizzled grove
right now only real money purchase. No info on if its going to be rentable next patch.
polar charm
k, ty
polar charm
oh, and does anyone know if there have been any news regarding the argo mole? Is it gonna be buyable/rentable in the forseeable future?
cinder wadi
pallid temple
@polar charm The Argo MOLE is already buyable, for 5.1million aUEC
lusty surge
would anyone be down to show me and my friend the basics of mining and how to play
drowsy blade
am I missing something basic about the Pyro multi tool? I have zero charge (power bar empty) and don't know how to charge it.
sonic laurel
has there been any mention of cargo decks allowing you to park drugs there? And whether unmarked places like the orphanage will let you stow cargo?
drowsy blade
does this thing have ammo??
lusty surge
so you dont need ammo
drowsy blade
I'm thinking this is a bug
every screenshot/video I see the bar on the left is always full
no one ever mentions ammo
zealous tundra
ya every video i have watched dosent mention any ammo
zealous tundra
ok thx
sonic laurel
np
sonic laurel
which rocks?
drowsy blade
and I suspect that the problem is the empty bar on the left
hand mineable ones (the gem icon)
hadanite
sonic laurel
those are not hand mineable
hand mining rocks are in caves
those are meant for the greycat ROC
drowsy blade
oh ffs seriously?
lusty surge
buit hadinite is in caves
drowsy blade
yeah I thought hadanite is hadanite
drowsy blade
I hate cave mining
lusty surge
im talking bout small rocks
sonic laurel
you can't crack ones inside of caves?
drowsy blade
guess I'll go look up some caves
lusty surge
no
sonic laurel
@drowsy blade daymar kuudre ore "closed"
@lusty surge do your throttle the power up to 100%?
zealous tundra
we dont know how to do that lol
sonic laurel
use the scroll wheel on your mouse
zealous tundra
ok
sonic laurel
to increase and decrease the energy
drowsy blade
I tried the prospector yesterday, terrible experience with the default mining heads
sonic laurel
yeah
drowsy blade
hard to do any mining with no capital
drowsy blade
my ships have too high of a fatality/loss rate to buy fancy upgrades :\
round lintel
Actually currently insurance covers your components too. Later on that won't be the case but currently you can upgrade without fear
They haven't given a timeframe for when they plan to change that
sick hearth
Anyone looking for mining groups ?
drowsy blade
@round lintel did not know that, thanks
serene quest
@woeful gazelle @green sundial ahhhhhh I see! Thanks so much. So what kind of ratios are you looking for per type? Like I’ve found a few posts that are like “if this number is x then mine”. So are you generally just focused on the first number for raw % or looking more to judge the ratio between the two?
green sundial
for Agricium try to get 5% 20% at minimum. you can usually get a couple 100% chunks out of that. I've mined some 16% 70% rocks that were great
and you want high mass 5K+
Agricium tends to 'clump' well too
lavish wharf
Were can we find agricium in hight quantities ?
green sundial
you have to search for it
lavish wharf
ty
pallid temple
Its broken yes
lavish wharf
We can rent the maul ?
pallid temple
No
lusty surge
where do you sell hadanite and stuff
pallid temple
You can sell gems at outposts on moons, PO, Everus Harbour and I believe anywhere else that has a trading terminal
storm dove
I checked all tradable stuff there is from SC Trade Tools table... what is this Maze and where to find it?
green sundial
drug labs
crimson mantle
@storm dove Things that can only be sold, like https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Maze, are most likely found in wrecks/NPC ships.
I know for sure https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Red Festival Envelope is only found in wrecks.
polar charm
auight, i'm starting to think that i am blind, bcause i cant find the trading console on shubin mining facility (SAL-5)... help?
nvrmind i was blind
serene quest
I’ve found that typically the outpost trading screens have an orange light on their building’s tower out front
dusk vapor
I looking for upgrades for the Caterpillar I'm using, any suggestions on what I should get.
grizzled grove
Unless you want to intentionally get into combat using the Caterpillar with players on your turrets, there is nothing worth upgrading.
dusk vapor
Not even getting better shields or quantum drive.
grizzled grove
The best QT drive at most saves you 30 seconds over the default one and thats ONLY on a long jump like Crusader to MT. As for shields, there isn't any on size 3 with something like additional ballistic absorption so there is no point, at least for trading.
dusk vapor
OK
serene quest
Let’s say I was to go out of my way to pick up a MOLE. How would it work if I was buy myself? And how would you go about paying a crew? Is it just like a flat fee you offer or do they earn credits on your sale?
grizzled grove
Only the ship owner can sell the cargo, and then you would pay them with the MO Trader mobiglass app. As for how much, that is for you to work out with them.
tacit mauve
Is it possible to sell commodities from a cargo bay to a refinery terminal? Like if I have purchased agricium instead of mining it could I sell to that terminal?
drowsy blade
I cant answer that 100%, but I was unable to sell fps-mined minerals that I stored in my cargo hold to the refinery terminal
stuck lynx
@tacit mauve no you sell them at trade terminals. so if you are on Arial, you can sell hand minables and ROC minables at the console at Bezdek and Latham
silent ice
So im confused....how are ppl making money with cargo runs? I just ran a full freelancer which is 66 cargo space, filled it with scrap from lorville which was 10k, then I went to PO and sold it for only 2k profit lol I dont see how thats worth it
unique lion
well for one scrap is the bottom of the barrel in terms of cargo running
and they aren't using lancers, anyone seriously making money is using a caterpillar with 576 SCU
stuck lynx
cats are bugged at 564 SCU
unique lion
would you rather bugged at 564 or bugged at 32 like the 890
stuck lynx
if you can afford an 890J, you can afford a cat also lol. and its not worth taking an 890J into atmo with the cost of fuel for that thing
crimson mantle
@silent ice Feel free to explore your trading route options with https://sc-trade.tools 🙂
stuck lynx
@steel bear whatch that video i just posted
silent ice
so there is no point of running cargo unless you own a MASSIVE ship.....seems a bit silly lol
steel bear
@silent ice yeah i dont get it lmao
stuck lynx
you can run as much laranite as you can carry from Arial to Loreville
go to arial, outpost at bezdek, then outpost at latham. grab all the laranite you can get and fill the rest with titanium and sell at lorville. @silent ice
steel bear
honestly i dont see how its fun to grind, call me a lame but i just dont get it
round lintel
Then don't do trading?
stuck lynx
you will have to grind in this game to get funds. whether you chose mining, trading, bounty hunting, or some other form of work, its all grinding. But the better ways of making UEC is mining and trading. Very profitable. Trading not as much as it used to be but you can still make UEC at a pretty decent rate, but there is the scare of 30ks. Mining there is no risk involved, you only lose time.
proven token
ROC mining is super profiable right now
Wondering when/if it will be nerfed and of space mining with the prospector/mole will be buffed at some point
serene quest
What’s the take per hour with the ROC?
odd hinge
220K average for me
serene quest
Oh wow that’s kinda nutty, why is the ROC so high? Even on the prospector I don’t find too many gem deposits.
And here I was going to focus on saving for a prospector, it seems like I should be buying an ROC. What’s one of those cost anyway?
pallid temple
Its $55 on the Pledge Store, but you'll be able to buy it in-game for 3.11
And the reason its so profitable is because gems are quite valuable
odd hinge
in 3.11 it will become buyable ingame for aorund 170~175K it seems
serene quest
Oh wow that cheap? That’s surprising. I was expecting a price tag of at least 500k-1m.
And you can spawn them from outposts right?
Do they offer any kind of environmental protection?
odd hinge
I was expecting like 500K as well, but they made it cheaper
Any mining outpost should have vehicle pads that allow you to spawn them yeah
and they do not offer environmental protection
serene quest
Ah I see. And you can put something like a helix on that right?
pallid temple
No
proven token
ROC has an un-upgradable lazer atm, but the lazer can cut any gem. Its basicly a step up from hand mining.
plush swift
How small of a ship can carry the ROC?
round lintel
Absolute smallest would be the freelancer
Getting the ROC in there without it tilting ain't easy
plush swift
Just easier to get a smaller dedicated ship?
smoky olive
Why does it seem that mining in a ROC is better than a prospector? Am I just mining in the wrong places? (Yela)
pallid temple
Mining in a ROC is lot easier than mining with a ship
plush swift
Up close and personal @pallid temple ?
pallid temple
And easier
plush swift
I’m trying to decide how I will start my mining business. ROC (and. Ship to carry) or prospector
odd nacelle
Looks like the remote load/unload bug is fixed in build 6075848, but it's not published to live yet.
late mortar
@plush swift FYI, ROC is more profitable per hour than prospy right now, but that can always change with future changes so you never know.
fleet rivet
so like how do I start mining?
late mortar
@fleet rivet You can either pick up a utility tool with a mining attachment and go mine in caves by hand or purchase a Greycat ROC (using real money for now or buying in game with 3.11 when it releases) and mine the slightly larger rocks on planet and moon surfaces.
There are LOTS of mining guides out there
sick hearth
18 UTC looking for 3 laser operators for mole , 50 k payout minimum, send DM for invite to discord
urban kite
@fleet rivet when all else fails, you can practice hand mining in prison.
novel nacelle
Each new mechanic becomes the best way to make aUEC. Trading, then hand-mining, then the Prospector, now the ROC. It is their way of encouraging players to try the new stuff. Don't expect any of the earning $$ to remain the same for long.
sweet geyser
I really hope it involves us being able to quickly pick up Hadanite from the ground using the ROC @late mortar
vivid python
Who's transporting today? Who's getting rich and how?
lavish wharf
@vivid python Me, thanks to scrap.
prime geyser
anyone got any idea when the Orion will go on sale again ?
pallid temple
November
honest glade
You're able to mine at every planet right?
prime geyser
@honest glade yes
honest glade
kk thank you
prime geyser
@pallid temple thanks. one more thing. do you know if anyone can buy it or will it be locked off to people who have not spent over 1000£ ?
green sundial
cave mining would be much more attractive if we had a handheld gadget to show where mineables are in a certain radius
sterile trail
how are you supposed to mine quantanium? my helix just blasts through it and the input lag basically makes it impossible to hit the green
stay in the green*
pallid temple
If you ADS with the greycat multitool and you have the mining bit attachment equipped, you can detect mineable rocks in a radius @green sundial
green sundial
I've done that Doctor, just not the same
pallid temple
Its basically what you just asked for
green sundial
true
pallid temple
Yes it needs improvement, but its what you asked for
Even I did a sing for joy when I realised it was a thing in 3.10
green sundial
iirc there was a bug with the multitool which made it do exactly as I said. it detected all the gems and put the icons on the HUD. wish they hadn't fixed that
pallid temple
But what this feature does need is for the rocks to be displayed on your FPS radar HUD
green sundial
that would be a great compromise
sterile trail
is there anyway to make mining quantanium easier? its so hard to not blow it up/stay in the green with the helix
green sundial
they could also make a new armor set specifically with built in short range scanning
pallid temple
I do imagine at one point we'll get like cave scanning tools that you deploy and then relay the information back to you
So you know what's in a particular cave
green sundial
as for the Quantanium, try equipping and using an Optimum Consumable
green sundial
5 charges with it
pallid temple
So you buy 1, and you get 5 uses out of it
Each time you use it, it's active for 30 seconds
sterile trail
how do i use them"
green sundial
LAlt 1
sterile trail
ok. it increases the size of the green or just prevents the energy from overflowing?
sterile trail
nice ok haha found my first node and blew it up 🙃
thats helpful ill buy a few
can i get them at port ollisar
pallid temple
Yes
Another useful one you'll want is Rime, which completely removes your laser throttle and instantly moves it back to 0% throttle
sterile trail
depot place?
pallid temple
Yeah in the Dumper's Depot
pallid temple
I believe the Optimum is 3k and the Rime is about 1k, you can use https://finder.deepspacecrew.com/ to find out
sterile trail
awesome man thanks
sick hearth
lfm mining group, no experience necessary
must be able to meet at po
50k min payout
vivid python
@lavish wharf what's a good scrap run? I guess we can all fill up a CAT
lavish wharf
@lavish wharf what's a good scrap run? I guess we can all fill up a CAT
@vivid python I'm doing Dream station to Port Olisar full of scrap
vivid python
Not bad not bad!
crimson mantle
For any ship bigger than an Avenger Titan: normal trading
Feel free to explore your options in https://sc-trade.tools
The problem with drugs is that they can only be sold in very small amounts, leading to wait times at the destination. More waiting = less profit per hour 🙂
late mortar
There's nothing like selling a full ROC worth of hadanite for 237,000 aUEC then just a few minutes later getting a 30k error. Whew! Glad I got that sale in!
bright ginkgo
anyone have a mole that wants to do some mining, solo mining gets pretty boring after a bt
serene quest
Ah thanks @pallid temple @proven token
The ROC can’t be purchased in game atm right? Only with real money?
polar charm
is asteroid mining viable yet, or is it bugged?
serene quest
You can get some decent pulls
Was able to get about 40% of my hold in Laranite off one rock yesterday before I took off planet side
Can get lucky and find quite a bit of quantanium out there as well
Tho I’ve seen a lot more bugged rocks than ones that work
honest glade
Is there another car/buggy/thing that I can do mining with other than that popular ROC that you need to buy with real money?
digital thorn
@honest glade , nope but next patch you can buy the ROC with in game money
green sundial
I sure would like the Titan armor when it comes out to have a variant or be modular in a way that lets it carry a S0 mining head and has backpack storage of .5-1 SCU.
honest glade
Do we know when 3.11 is coming?
honest glade
What does Evocati mean? Is that like a certain group of testers?
urban ledge
"The Evocati are a small group of testers we've selected from the top players participating in Star Citizen: contributing to Issue Council, racing, running missions, and more."
its before it goes wave 1 of PTU
honest glade
Can I pick up rocks via hand and put them into my ship? Or will I need to wait for 3.11 for that
urban ledge
i believe thats coming to 3.11
icy stag
is Agricium supposed to be volatile?
i just picked some up and it's immediately blinking yellow
icy stag
that's what i thought
am i just bugged
i jettisoned
then picked up more Agricium
immediately blinking yellow again
devout ibex
any1 got the pdf with all of the hidden locations and their distances to orbital markers?
sterile trail
how do you use the optimium thing for mining?
what button to use mining consumables
near flower
is the trading bug still there?
pallid temple
@serene quest No
wicked merlin
So ware is teh hot spot to run Cargo from?
dusk vapor
Anyone running a trade organisation looking for another member?
ornate rock
#634432662274048022 read this thingy here, then do the thing, then check the org channels it unlocks
rain tundra
That's odd, I thought Arial only had hadanite rocks? I've been mining here for weeks and only gotten hadanite, now just outsize bezdek I found three aphorite
serene quest
@pallid temple ty!
crimson mantle
@rain tundra Data mining reveals that Arial has only Hadanite ROC-sized rocks, but both Aphorite and Hadanite FPS rocks.
But you're right in that they all show up as diamond icons.
There's actually 2.5X more FPS Aphorite than Hadanite on Arial.
rain tundra
Ah okay, thanks for clearing that up 😄
crimson mantle
My pleasure. I hope to have all this on the SC Trade Tools website soon!
storm dove
Anyone else having problems with Prospector not identifying stones right now?
rain tundra
That'd be super useful to see @crimson mantle
crimson mantle
Soon™ 🙂
serene quest
@storm dove some stones just aren’t scannable. Skip em
ionic elm
Can I see how much stock a shop will buy? Or do I just need to guess?
And how long do I wait between sell cycles?
crimson mantle
@ionic elm You can see the inventory refresh rates here: https://sc-trade.tools/shops
the /minute number
Keeping in mind that other people in other servers might also be trying to sell the same thing.
It's all connected
@ionic elm You can click on the commodity name to see where else you can sell it.
ionic elm
So is it actually every minute that it regains demand?
crimson mantle
Allegedly yes
At least that's how it's defined in the game's files.
ionic elm
Well, if this stupid trade console will update to show how much the shop will take
Thanks for the help @crimson mantle , I've been using your tool
lean heart
Best planet to mining with prospector?
green sundial
depends on how much you want to travel
until space stations aside Olisar get refinery terminals, olisar is still the quickest turnaround station, that or grimhex which also has a refinery terminal
tidal river
Arial is nice
last summit
Is there a way to scan rock composition while in pilot seat in the Mole?
or do i have to go down to laser head every time
I saw a screen shot a Valk able to see what in a rock...so if the Mole cant..then...wtf!
fathom silo
So . I dced while doing a cargo haul... i can see that my Caterpillar is at microtec through the console... Yet location unknown... Still having the cargo.. any tips og is IT lost
round lintel
It's lost
wind summit
Sadly right now it’s lost. Hopefully once server meshing is in and servers are all linked you might be able to recover it unless someone steals it!
crimson mantle
@last summit You can use the scan mode (TAB key be default) on any ship to scan a rock from the pilot's seat.
sick hearth
Is there a way to scan rock composition while in pilot seat in the Mole?
@last summit so right click and hold gives you ranged ping but if yours faceing the rock and left click and hold while the scanner is on it will give a readout, takes a few seconds to complete the scan
So . I dced while doing a cargo haul... i can see that my Caterpillar is at microtec through the console... Yet location unknown... Still having the cargo.. any tips og is IT lost
@fathom silo sometimes you can still sell cargo that your ship was last at. not always the case but worth a try
i got a roc mining mission tommorrow and 5 roc are empty, looking for labour ! large and fair payout
static iris
people. is it true that drop off cooldown timers have been removed?
so I can drop off all of my....medical supplies... in one go?
crimson mantle
@static iris
Unfortunately, no you cannot :(
Look up https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Medical Supplies to see where you can offload large quantities of medical supplies.
(It's the major cities)
crimson mantle
My pleasure!
static iris
two lovely pages bookmarked lately fleetyard and sc trade tools :3
crimson mantle
The community does work hard 😄
static iris
although I notice fleetyard can be a little delayed
sometimes stations will not be buying a commodity when fleetyard says it is
crimson mantle
I can't speak for them, I only develop sc-trade.tools
I do keep the website updated with the data from the game's files, so it won't go out of date.
round scroll
I'm trying to finish a contract lol, "big dump " do I need a specific ship? I take a prospector. Ty
green sundial
you need a ship that has cargo space. you can't carry a box up the ladder so a Prospector won't work
pallid temple
You can carry boxes up a ladder
stuck lynx
azure ginkgo
I noticed that the MOLE has just shy of 100 scu for cargo space on the wiki, is this space that can carry things like regular cargo and the ROC, or is it just for mined stuff?
crimson mantle
Pure mining
azure ginkgo
great pain and anguish
obtuse night
Because it would have been the ship with the most cargo space he has maybe?
round lintel
If you own a mole you own a way to get enough capital to rent a cargo ship if that's what he wants to do
Running cargo in a mole, if it were possible, is a teeerrible idea.
The Freelancer has slightly less cargo space but is going to he able to get more trading done quickly and with less risk than a mole considering all a mole has to defend itself is 2 s2 repeaters
You get interdicted in that thing and you're gonna die
vivid python
is Free Fly over? Still see all the ships, can't pull, not sure tho
trail charm
you may have issues if you log out
untold crystal
Am ithe only one who feels like I spend more time in a ROC trying to flip back over than actually mining?
round lintel
Sounds like user error
Making sure you have a flat LZ and ease out of your ship rather than go full throttle will decrease flipping
untold crystal
Lol it’s not even getting out of my ship. I just keep flipping while mining hadanite
round lintel
Have you tried not angering Chris roberts?
round lintel
Another player aided
agile tulip
At least your the door doesn't star closing on you while your try to drive the ROC in for some reason
untold crystal
F
round lintel
I broke my door so it wouldn't close no matter what, not that I minded
untold crystal
The worst is when it gets broke half open
drowsy blade
6 out of 7 of my mining runs attempted this week failed due to server crashes and bugs. glad free fly is ending lol
fickle zephyr
6 out of 7 of my mining runs attempted this week failed due to server crashes and bugs. glad free fly is ending lol
@drowsy blade thats why i gave up on the ROC
drowsy blade
the sad part is I'm FPS mining
turbid bay
digital thorn
The trick to the ROC is to use it near a minute outpost. Then you only go grab 2 groups of hadanite and go back to sell. Generally get 50-70k each time and the ROC is only about 25% full but I don't lose as much if the server crashes.
sick hearth
If server crashes you can sell the roc items at the last outpost you visited
scenic blaze
Is there a good mining tutorial anywhere?
digital thorn
@sick hearth ....you're a fucking genius...how did I never realize that?
crimson mantle
It's true even for cargo ships. The usual problem is that not every shop will buy your cargo.
And most outposts won't let you spawn your ship to move it somewhere else.
sick hearth
thats why if you go get asatine at ita, you stop at ev and just single the coms on the way to po, like a drive by - if the server 30k, ride back to EV to sell off whats on there
i once lost my connie in a 30k at tnm , it was full of medical supplys, i would drop in and sell off what i could while mining. took forever
solemn sage
But at least it wasn't a complete loss. Sadly I didn't hear about this little trick until a few weeks ago. I may have to start hauling again. Got myself a MAX that hasn't been much more than a toy hauler for a while because of the 30k's
wind summit
trading is gonna get real interesting/painful once pirates will be able to blast your ship full of cargo even when landed at a spaceport.
or just after you buy at an outpost. then eclipse torps you from out of range where you can't see
solemn sage
But where is the incentive for a pirate to do that when there is no easy way to gather any remaining cargo from the destroyed ship. We'll need tractor beams working before that will really become an issue
wind summit
are you kidding? people will blow you up now if they catch you just to do it.
at least once a week I have someone try to emp my ship or shoot at my cat or toy hauler. Now they can just sit and wait at locations and don't have to even go looking.
solemn sage
True, I don't think it'll become that big of an issue after the initial "Look what I can do" wears off. From the sound of it, the griefer will get their ass handed to them pretty dang fast, and end up in jail for several hours
wind summit
jail for a lot of those that would do it is just a quick detour.
you can be out in minutes.
they made escaping too easy. If they make it harder then perhaps it will become a deterant.
solemn sage
From my understanding now the escap route changes between a few different options so it's not as easy as it was before.
wind summit
They are giving pirates/griefers the keys to the kingdom and leaving the traders/haulers/miners without any recourse unless they have friends that play and are willing to just sit around and guard them.
solemn sage
That or they use the contract manager to hire people. Once NPC crews are in that will become easier for the law abiding peeps
wind summit
they should have waited until hiring NPCs for gunner spots are in position.
wind summit
hiring someone is no guarantee that they won't just blast you soon as they are on board or once the haul is loaded for laughs.
solemn sage
True, that's where the rating system comes in. If that happens leave a review on them so that people don't hire them in the future
wind summit
does that even function right now?
solemn sage
I thought it did. I haven't played with it to be honest. I just see the system every time I open up the manager
azure ginkgo
As a trader and miner, every player option of income should have some level of risk to it
outside of 30ks, of course
solemn sage
Even today, if a trucker hires a random person on the street to join them, who's to say that random person doesn't just kill the guy and steal the truck? It's the same risk in real life.
abstract fjord
Does anyone know if in the future this beauty will be able to turn vehicles if they turn
🤔
Or we call Ursa and beat until it turns like we do today
weary pulsar
whats the closest place to sell ore from cleo
solemn sage
I'd say it's planet Cleo is orbiting. I don't remember which planet it is
crimson mantle
@weary pulsar Take your pick! https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Quantainium (It's microTech)
scenic blaze
Is there a good place to learn mining
crimson mantle
@scenic blaze There's a written guide in the pinned comments. Otherwise many content creators have done tutorials: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=star+citizen+mining+tutorial&sp=EgIIBA%253D%253D
Alternatively, for more one-to-one guidance, feel free to contact a guide: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/guide
scenic blaze
Alright, sweet thanks 🙂
sick hearth
LFM Roc Mining - tomorrow 18:00 UTC - PRIVATE message for invite
yes i'll provide you with a ROC
whole wagon
@wind summit Agree
Hauling sucks right now
Griefers love to blow me up anytime I bring out anything the hauls cargo...
Not to mention the wonderful loading glitches that I had yesterday where station interiors just weren't loading.
storm dove
I wonder if there's still a point to buy that Helix 1 for Prospector.... I mean... no idea when they remove those free fly ships... Is it so much better than default setup that I'd earn back that 100k....?
lavish wharf
Cargo Deck soon
sick hearth
I wonder if there's still a point to buy that Helix 1 for Prospector.... I mean... no idea when they remove those free fly ships... Is it so much better than default setup that I'd earn back that 100k....?
@storm dove
Free fly ships could be over any min , save your uec for a cutty black , then get a roc when 3.11 comes out
Yes the size 1 helix is worth it but it can normally hall 75-90 k worth of materials to sell
storm dove
k
tawny inlet
I've never been attacked by griefers while hauling
storm dove
just had a run worth 75k + 😛
2 Rucksack full of Hadanite and then Prospector full cargo mixed stuff, about 30% Agricium
tiny hill
hi!
crimson mantle
Hello @tiny hill !
storm dove
Well... I bought that Helix 1 for Prospector, free fly version. 2 run on surface where I collected also 2 Rucksack full of Hadanite, total over 160k UEC, first run over 75k and second run over 90k. Was worth it though was quite time consuming to be so selective.
mellow crypt
What’s the best planet to find caves at
crimson mantle
"Abandoned mines" marker on planets, or "missing clients" missions
storm dove
So far I haven't found caves without Missing person mission... But I've found huge Hadanite boulders from surface that I've split (really carefully!!) with Prospector mining laser and then collected pieces.
Boulders size around 0,85 tons etc
or is it 85kg... not sure...
honest creek
when trying to sell diamonds, and port o and grim are full - can i just bed log and switch servers and keep my cargo, or am i fucked?
crimson mantle
No, the economy is global to all servers.
Try these different places: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Diamond
crimson mantle
The "cities" will buy much larger amount of diamonds.
honest creek
yeah - but that takes a lot longer than t&m to port o
crimson mantle
That's true.
You might want to search for another trade route that has higher refresh rates on both ends.
honest creek
nah i'm good - i'm not really into grinding. diamonds between t&m to port o is a quick way to a couple million... even that was more grinding than i wanted to do
i'll just play something else
ty for your help
hm, well - i tried bed logging anyways and it did work...
logged back in and port o immediately took everything in my carrack
crimson mantle
Port Olisar will buy 1728 diamonds/min
Checking the console once in a while would have done the trick too.
honest creek
i was standing at the console for 5 minutes constantly tryin to sell and it wouldnt
maybe the server was just bugged or something?
crimson mantle
Interesting. Did you log in to a different region?
honest creek
no, i bed logged in my carrack on the pad at port o - logged back in, walked inside and it took everything
crimson mantle
That's also possible: the trading server is a different entity: sometimes it fails to respond to the console call and won't accept anything.
honest creek
on the previous server - it had taken like 66scu or something? then it said it was full and wouldnt take more, after about 5 minutes i gave up
yeah, i'll just chalk it up to weird server stuff
glad to know i didnt lose my cargo when i bed logged though XD
crimson mantle
Your ship gets "saved" every time you correctly dock at a station.
hollow sedge
You don't have to dock at orbital outposts, you just need to be accepted to land upon hailing them to land. This helps to create port to port security. When cargo decks comes, we may b able to build a bulk storage surplus and safely transit port to port, and later distributing to surrounding celestials. Would likely use different ships for each role
sick hearth
we ran 5 roc and 2 scout mission on daymar today ! so much fun! anyone interested in joining the next one? i have 5 roc and i run scout
serene quest
how do you sell what's on the ROC? Do you have to have it boarded on a ship big enough to hit a station?
digital thorn
@serene quest you can also sell it at certain planet-side outposts. Anywhere with the building with the orange light above it (that indicates a trading terminal inside)
i.e. go to Daymar around Crusader and then go to "Arccorp Mining Area 141". You can call a ROC there and sell from it there.
of course it helps to have a ship it can fit inside otherwise you'll be driving for a very long time
serene quest
ah nice, thanks!
drowsy blade
any noticeable improvement in server stability since free fly ended?
it's just been brutal the past few weeks
atomic nymph
Is freefly over? I still have all the ships
ornate rock
yes and... yes
and turns out even the free fly folks can still play (at least yesterday, guess it's still the case)
storm dove
Ships are still on list...
so I guess there's no word yet when those will be removed?
atomic nymph
Cheers Baarn
ornate rock
you might be able to remove them with a character reset if they bother you
but no, afaik CIG hasn't said anything about it
digital thorn
can multiple ROCs mine larger minables? i.e. if I had 10 ROC could I hit the same things a single Prospector can?
pallid temple
I had a friend run the maths, its not doable
grizzled grove
2 problems. 1 is that the output of a ROC laser is 9, and the output the basic Prospector laser is 1400. Second problem there is no mechanic for the ROC to extract minerals from a broken down deposit in the way a Prospector does it.
digital thorn
why? what about 100 ROC?
I've heard that if a Prospector breaks up a rock, then the ROC can pick that up.
grizzled grove
Yes, that works, but that was not your question.
digital thorn
so it comes down to "it's possible if you had enough ROC"?
grizzled grove
No
There is no way for a ROC to "absorb" the minerals like a prospector does it. Have you used a prospector?
digital thorn
I see, I misunderstood what I read. The ROC can't pick up the larger rocks the Prospector breaks up.
grizzled grove
Right, prospector second mode "extraction" is not the same mechanic as ROC second mode "tractor beam".
digital thorn
wish CIG had made it possible. The idea of having to explore with the specific tool already at hand for the job is annoying. Would be nice if you could take a Carrack full of ROC and know you can at least get mostly anything you find.
grizzled grove
Pretty sure not having one thing work for everything is the eventual goal. But maybe the Orion will have mining drones that can use ROC mining heads, who knows?
round lintel
Unlikely for the Orion to have roc drones as roc nodes are only found on planets and I'm pretty sure taking the Orion into atmosphere is a bad idea
grizzled grove
Some moons have very low gravity and little to no atmo. But anyway, since the Orion was stated to have mining drones I just assume they will put both the hand minable and ROC mineable kind of deposits in large asteroids.
robust galleon
Does anyone have tips for mining?
hollow sedge
read back in #star-citizen to some of my previous posts regarding mining
@robust galleon
robust galleon
How far back?
hollow sedge
an hour
robust galleon
Also I think I figured it out
hollow sedge
much less but yea
proven lily
looking into trying out cargo, any tips?
digital thorn
what ship?
proven lily
i still got a showdown cat, so thinking that or a max
digital thorn
start out with short routes until you build up the capital to afford 30k wiping out 300,000auec.
i.e. Cellin --> Gallete Family Farms --> processed food --> Terra Mills Hydro farms.
In a full Cat that's 17k profit for less than 10 minutes of work.
check out websites like sc-trade.tools and gallog.co
proven lily
ok, thanks
gray leaf
Is asteroid mining bugged currently? Trying my hand out at doing it in Yela but every asteroid that shows up as mineable is actually not scanning.
might just be unlucky but wanted to make sure
digital thorn
probably your server, asteroid mining should work
lunar bloom
Why on earth is it such a pinpoint beam with the ROC collector instead of like a conical vaccuum situation?
digital thorn
Monkeywrench, I just put it near the rocks and wait, it gets them all even if it's not on them.
not sure if it's a desync thing or what
pallid temple
Its a server issue
lunar bloom
Not for me, a bucket scoop would be more efficient than this nonsense.
I will grab one single rock from the exploded node every three to five minutes.
digital thorn
weird
lunar bloom
Game has obviously got potential but as of right now is unplayable to me... All I do is lurch from one game breaking issue to the next without the ability to accrue money.
digital thorn
rip
robust galleon
Where are diamonds most common
chrome hearth
y level 11
crimson mantle
@proven lily Feel free to try out https://sc-trade.tools!
proven lily
@crimson mantle some one showed me earlier but thank you. I just need to get up to 70k to make any sort of decent profit though.
crimson mantle
Yeah you're right, investment is a big part of it.
arctic blaze
decent profit doesnt seem to be an option as for now regarding either mining and trading
unless they put trading to an overdrive status such as prior to .1
serene quest
Idk I mean cargo runs aren’t too bad. With a decent investment, I think 20k is viable for a 10k/~7min route. And getting to 20k really isn’t difficult.
Renting a prospector for the day isn’t bad either, though not having a Helix can make it a bit more time consuming, though if you’re focused on your Agre/Lara and making economic choices you can clear 80k on a run. So you’d make back that 42k investment back easily.
And buying up a helix just to rent out a prospector is well worth the investment if you’re mining imo.
stuck lynx
sage geyser
best place to mine with prospector?
stuck lynx
@sage geyser check that video I posted.
proven lily
how risky is running laranite?
crimson mantle
@proven lily Running laranite is not risky, as it's stable. The risk comes from it being out of stock. I you find that's the case, you can always haul something else from the same location.
I've added a "Alternative commodities" button just for that on https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes 🙂
If you run Laranite from the moons of Hurston, you can always fall back on Titanium, which is also quite profitable.
hollow sedge
best place to mine with prospector?
@sage geyser for prosector, I have been having really good finds on Yela directly under om 1 ... Id sell at GrimHEx tbh, cause if ur lucky, you can sell 3x cause the terminals are slow or bugged or whatnot
crimson mantle
I wouldn't recommend abusing exploits: all transactions are tracked.
hollow sedge
I guess there is always that risk
Thing is, Ive been wiped when not supposed to be. and not been wiped when I was supposed to be. Im not sure what CIG is realyl doing or thinking in these regards, considering the game code is still in alpha state. Its like CIG still treats ya as a criminal should you use broken game mechanics. lol
maybe the game should be completed first, then they can worry about those explioting game mechanics that hurt the other players
but thats my thought
for now, Ill make some money and buy the ships I want.
If CIG doesnt like that, I can go play something else 🙂
hollow sedge
@crimson mantle sorry if my posts seems harsh, I'm not attacking you. I think ur really helpful and give good advice
I'm just not a fan of the condition described and the inferred label and wipes ....
Not your doing.
I think expectations should be reasonable. With game dev, they know people and how we are... To punish them is my issue. At least for some mechanics, seems silly and unrealistic to expect this to not happen
If cig was a issue wit something, they shouldn't release the feature till it's sound
But how would they know with out testing¿
Jus like in real life, greed exists... We aren't to make much money but then how do we test and explore the game mechanics? There is a wipe every so often anyway, so the tables will be cleared.
robust galleon
How does mining by hand work?
digital thorn
Has anyone done the rough math on what a SCU a Retaliator could have if both bomb bays were replaced with cargo bays? Are we talking 30 SCU? 120 SCU?
@robust galleon , you get a mining tool, attach the mining attachment to it. You find a hand minable rock then you right-click to aim and fire to mine. It's very similar to ship mining after that.
robust galleon
I cant seem to get the rock temperature to go up at all
Its one of the gemstones on yela
robust galleon
I did that
digital thorn
also if you're on Yela that might not be a hand minable rock, it might be one of the new medium sized ones for the ROC.
hollow sedge
Im a welder, I see the whole mining thing from a heat and an energy perspective ... considering my training and exp at least
well, was a welder
I retired young
willow crescent
@hollow sedge no beef with you statment as long you opened a Issue council report about the bug so it can be fixed. If you did that, you are absolutly right in your statement. If you didnt then, you are nothing but another cheater that look for shortcuts to be happy with yourself, while playing a game, because otherwise you wouldnt.
hollow sedge
I cant wait for dynamic economy and wonder its implications to laranite nad agricium inventory and recovery rates... Im hoping to see these two items get a boost so you can fill a cat in one go
@hollow sedge no beef with you statment as long you opened a Issue council report about the bug so it can be fixed. If you did that, you are absolutly right in your statement. If you didnt then, you are nothing but another cheater that look for shortcuts to be happy with yourself, while playing a game, because otherwise you wouldnt.
@willow crescent well if thats everyones perspective, I can understand and see the validity from it. I just dont choose to have that attitude: to see others as some cheater, or something less than myself, which humans have a unconditional and unconscious habit of doing. its in our nature. Im simply aware of it, and choose to see things from a more, beneficial point of view. We can view this case in many ways, but which ones are the most beneficial? at least that is part of my descision making process. Sure I can consider myself a cheater, who wanted shortcuts for personal gain... thing is EVERY human does this, every single day. and the human condition revolves again.
So though I see your point, and you may point me out to be a "cheater" but I am only using the game as it is. and I consider the attitude that isnt benficial more harmful than the so called, ill deed in discusion. but that is just me. To me, its not such a big deal that gamers find ways to bend the computer rules. That makes a better gamer, a better game, a better company that is paying coders to do a job. It seems more selfish to me, the other way around. Considering the game is patched every three months or so, and we are what, two, four years out from a rolling finalized product?
I just dont see it such the big deal,
I see the harm and feel it, when people call them out for small things... in a game that is STILL in development. 🙂
for me, this type of gaming is al earning process too
willow crescent
The game as it is, is used to find bugs, and not use them, but report them so they can be fixed. Thats what a Alpha, and a BETA (one day) is all about.
hollow sedge
you know much Ive learned about computers cause of gaming and bugs?
Im pretty computer user friendly, but no wherein the sense of intellect as most of you
willow crescent
IF you dont find such a big deal to find ways to "bend " a game then you are a cheater and you will be called what you are.
hollow sedge
so it bugs me, no pun intended. lol .
willow crescent
A spade is a spade
willow crescent
it is, so it van be fixed and not used. IF it was working as intended then it wouldnt be a bug would it?
hollow sedge
thats why a patch is released every three months
I think you can see my perspective too.?
right?
I mean ...
willow crescent
wrong
hollow sedge
so, you see things from a right vs wrong perspective,
willow crescent
thats why theres a rules of conduct in place, and theres severall warnings and threads regarding the use and abuse of bugs or exploits
hollow sedge
you know all we have is opinions anyway
willow crescent
if they would think like you they wouldnt bother, right?
hollow sedge
I think using a bug in game in dev is one thing.
but i think insulting and punishing them and lableing them is another
and with that Ive said my peace. cheer
willow crescent
i see things like they are. By reading your statements i see someone that doesnt mind to use game bugs and exploits for personal gain, and my opinion, is to you and others like you, is nothing short as a ban.
Thats my opinion
alpha, beta or release
willow crescent
your mixing potatoes with onions
hollow sedge
well if thats your opinion thats fair
I dont see things as this or that
I see things as this AND that
I dont like to exclude
and when im excluded I become an asshole
when im insulted, I insult back
I think you get the point of positive difference resolution
some ways are positve, others not so much
that is my point
Im not syaing what Im doing is right or wrong...
all anyone does, is for personal gain
willow crescent
like i said, and i im going to repeat myself, using just a few words instead a wall of text. If you reported, said bug or exploit so it can be fixed, i agree with your 1st statement. If you not, you are just another cheater, and in my opinion, people like you (cheaters) should get banned from playing games. Simple as that
hollow sedge
so im not seeing the gravity in your arguement no
its ok cheers mate
the game is working as intended
it was released that way
what is toxic is insulting those who use it
cheers 🙂
willow crescent
it's an alpha
hollow sedge
yea no shit
willow crescent
yea shit not
hollow sedge
EXACTLY my point.
willow crescent
because if it wasnt, im pretty sure you would be banned
hollow sedge
See this is cause peopel are entitled...
its okay, dude
cheers
people who share that same attitude, kil the game imo. it kills the love and the community.
just want you to know that
willow crescent
otherwise, and like i said and im going to repeat the 3rd time, because you seem to be daft. If you reported said bug or exploit in the apropriate channels, which is what an Alpha is for, then i stand by you. IF you didnt , then you are a cheater
What are you? 14? do i need to repeat a 4th time?
ornate rock
you might want to read this:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/tos/
just because there are bugs in the game doesn't mean you are allowed to abuse them
hollow sedge
thats fine ive read it a few times
while a game is in dev, i think things should be taken into perspective.
ornate rock
I dunno what you are on about, but if you are abusing bugs for personal gain, you are breaking ToS.
hollow sedge
being things change every few months
and being coding is a persistant job of such activities
its immature to act this way imo, so im a leave the convo. Im fully up for exploring the game and how stuff works. and NOT getting insulted and called out im really not a fan of that attitude. its not helpful one bit. and it casts a light on YOUR attitude and way of dealing with things.
ornate rock
willow crescent
Alpha is made to report whats not working as it should be working so it can be fixed in future patchs. It's not made to be abused for personal gain. Abusing bugs in a released game means you are exploiting the game, and so subject to be banned. Period
it's not an insult when it fits
and it fits
now do yourself a favor and do what you are saying that you going to do. Leave
hollow sedge
yea thats cool man, you can have your opinions
Why would I leave?
See thats a sad attitude you ahve there
but thats my imo
cheers
willow crescent
jesus, you are stupid. Yes thats an insult
willow crescent
you already said that you are leaving the convo. Just do like the guy at casabas. "Leave.....Just leave"
hollow sedge
bye
willow crescent
or "go...just go"
hollow sedge
^
willow crescent
i thnk it's this one
hollow sedge
Im not sure anyone cares what you "think"
7 billion people on this planet
who the FUCK are you to be of any concern?
right?
think about it
beofre you type
willow crescent
im not, im stating that you are breaking the rules. Like ^Baarn posted above. So you are a cheater. And stupid
but stupid is just my personal opinion
stuck lynx
Ok kids, calm down
ornate rock
you might want to take whatever you are doing here outside of this channel
cause this is getting a little pathetic
willow crescent
yea im going to shut it
stuck lynx
youre arguing on the internet... I dont care which one started it or what its about, but you are clogging up a channel on a server that players use for info
ty Devils Grace
willow crescent
you are right, my apologies
merry burrow
hello is there french people that can explain me something about the prospector pls? i rent one piece
robust galleon
I dont speak much french, but I can probably answer your question in english
merry burrow
ok thanks. i tried to collect little pieces of minerai but i don't manage. The mass was 0. Is it normal?
robust galleon
Is it the smaller rocks?
merry burrow
yes
merry burrow
ah ok understand thanks
crimson mantle
Most diamond icons on the surfaces are for the ROC. Abandoned mines and other caves are where most of the hand-minable stuff is.
ornate rock
hand mining is pretty much restricted to caves now
safe inlet
So.. if i had the roc, how would i spawn one to put in the ship?
ornate rock
usually if it has mining in the name, it also has a way to request a vehicle
safe inlet
Cool beans.
serene quest
Question about ROC mining on Yela
Temp is usually lower than can be maintained indefinitely, could one just ride around in a ROC? like is there some form of climate control on board?
pallid temple
No
serene quest
Thanks
robust galleon
What did it do?
gritty jackal
like the third time i get to 2 mil
100k from a kartul
and the game just fucks me into pieces
hollow sedge
been there so many times doing things the "legal or right" way ...
nothing like that 30k or some asshat griefing rammer
and tbh, its happened a bit thus helping me to turn to the darker side of gameplay
I mean, theres like no point... attachments are unhealthy anyway
golden eagle
if I pull a ROC for a friend of mine and then reclaim it and pull myself one
can i somehow sell the stuff he mines in that roc? (or can he sell stuff from it?)
or can i only sell the stuff from the 2nd roc i pulled (which im using)
proven token
I think only the owner can sell stuff in the vehicles right now
subtle rock
What do I have to do to sell stuff I've picked up from a derelict? Everything reports as not enough stock
proven token
Idk
obtuse sundial
Question about ship mining in the future. Is it planned to allow you to jettison only the stuff you don't want in the future? i.e. drop all inert materials?
ornate rock
I hope not, telling valuable rocks from garbage is part of what distinguishes a good miner from a bad one.
obtuse sundial
What do I have to do to sell stuff I've picked up from a derelict? Everything reports as not enough stock
@subtle rock It's a but. Fixed in 3.11 by all accounts
ornate rock
once mining is integrated into the economy and ore prices fluctuate, there might not even be bad ores though 
safe inlet
As long as stuff requires different materials
So for making stuff you'd need gold and diamonds and it+s not just AEC farm with mining, then it'll be better
30% of cargo of Agricium still gives better payout at refinery than a full load of Diamonds, even if it takes longer
torpid kindle
But there may be bad ores for the local area, I figure. Profitability is going to depend on so many things.
odd hinge
it really depends, atm there are certain materials that spawn on planets
they have lists of that
Which one of those spawn is rng though
however i personally prefer to be picky, and only go for valuable ores
serene quest
It's definitely more profitable to be particular when deciding to target specific ores, the runs may take a bit longer as Sylphy said, but you're definitely making more cash/time by being picky
tough tusk
i also agree with this ^
odd hinge
yup
allthough if you want a stable way to earn money atm
i recommend the ROC over the prospector and mole
As the ROC has a solid income line pretty much
green sundial
be careful. the ROC only makes the bucks now as it does because its what CIG wants tested. It was the same with FPM before 99.999% of that got moved to caves
hollow sedge
be careful. the ROC only makes the bucks now as it does because its what CIG wants tested. It was the same with FPM before 99.999% of that got moved to caves
@green sundial I agree. I do not believe the state of mining will stay the same considering the developments and bugs and future testing... CIG, like always, will adjust things back down once they are running, and they will work on the next part... whatever that is. Lower value material deposits are still intended to be some what profitable for beginner miners (ones without a helix I assume). Deposits like Gold or Titanium, Diamond, for example, all have less inert materials in their shards compared to more valuable ores. Cig did this intentionally so beginner miners still make a profit. Prospector, to me, is the more logical choice. Easy to get around in, mine, extract, haul, all in one ship, one seat. No need to have a buddy or a second ship, or take extra steps to do it all yourself. I think this will only be profitable for so long though as the player matures in the game and his balance increases, thus he or she will be looking to upgrade. And this is what I wonder ... what is the next upgrade level?
Theres no mining crystals to help you get MORe deposit or better %'s... there are only two mining ships, one mining vehicle. So the choices are limited atm, I assume this to change. Besided buying a new ship to get you more $ in the end, what other upgrades can one use to get better payouts, without buying a new ship?
green sundial
Titanium is a really bad one to mine. it doesn't 'clump' well unfortunately.
hollow sedge
I haven't done much of the lesser ore types, but I always make out starting out, with diamond and gold. 🙂 never really went after the titanium iirc
robust galleon
Are caves randomly generated?
last leaf
so my ROC overheated and now I cant do anything, how long does it take to be good again
serene quest
Weird, just stopped at SMO-13 and there's no Astatine on the list.
hollow sedge
Some things change. and they are not reported accurately on gallogs.co
serene quest
Question: If a console only accepts a portion of your stock, how long until it's able to accept the rest?
hollow sedge
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jvhljaLpaHOgsskhzJoCOwi6euMGAZ6BWVTV9Wj7tk8/edit?usp=sharing
make yourself a copy and keep it updated
its not always accurate
and things change so take with a grain of salt
im not perfect
I did update this about last week.
verbal cargo
so my ROC overheated and now I cant do anything, how long does it take to be good again
@last leaf
Try turning it off and on again or bring it back into your ship for a min
safe inlet
It's going to be fun with ROC in the back of Red Cutlass "Oh, medical emergency, let me pull you into the ship under that vehicle, then we'll get you patched up. Oh no, the patient died during manuevering, ah well, back to mining."
crimson mantle
@serene quest I keep https://sc-trade.tools/shops perfectly in sync with the game's files.
It has the refresh rates for everything.
vivid python
So now what, since I have no free CAT...I have to go back to being f'n POOR ALL THE TIME
can I get a shout out for all the ten thousandairs!?
stuck lynx
devout ibex
bro i just lost fucking 300k in an hour
got blown up in me cat
and then in my prospector
griefers galore
dense sequoia
anyone know a workaround for the bugged prospector mining laser?
robust galleon
What do you mean bugged?
woeful gazelle
equip another one, then the one you want to mine with again
dense sequoia
Do I have to be on a pad to change it?
@robust galleon at full blast, the laser still won't increase the power level of the rock. Thats the bug I have.
robust galleon
What laser are you using?
dense sequoia
The base one and the lancet
robust galleon
What are you mining?
dawn linden
...and what's the rock's mass
dense sequoia
I've tried everything. Even shale on yala
robust galleon
Are you close enough?
dense sequoia
Damn near kissing it
robust galleon
try overclocking it
dawn linden
how big a rock?
dense sequoia
Ranging from 2k kg to 8kg
dawn linden
the stock head can't break the larger rocks
dense sequoia
The lancet has worked on some of the bigger rocks just fine, thus my confusion.
dawn linden
stock head might only be good upto 3.5kgs
I'd have to test myself
my first move is to install a helix
dense sequoia
Gotta get more money to buy the helix. And all my combat ships are bugged lol
I'm screwed, brothers.
dawn linden
yeah... I did box runs to get my first 100k because I had such poor returns with the Prospector and stock head
dense sequoia
Yeah, my only functional ship is an Andromeda
robust galleon
Box runs?
dawn linden
deliveries
dense sequoia
So I may just trade scrap over and over.
robust galleon
Whats the most profitable thing to deliver?
dense sequoia
Drugs probably
robust galleon
Besides drugs
dawn linden
i'd also hold off on buying a helix until 3.11 drops... or just be prepared to have to buy the helix again after the patch... read: once you get the helix, save up another 100k immediately
dense sequoia
Don't think persistence will keep it in your inventory?
And now my prospector is status unknown and unretrievable
I'm just gunna go cry in a space corner, lads.
crimson mantle
@robust galleon The best commodity to trade depends on your ship and investment. Look at your options on https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes
robust galleon
@crimson mantle What would be the best for a freelancer or an avenger titan
crimson mantle
@robust galleon How much UEC do you have to invest?
and do you want to stay close to a particular planet?
dawn linden
@dense sequoia when 3.10 dropped I lost everything ship-related
dense sequoia
@dawn linden oof.
serene quest
@crimson mantle thanks!
gusty bear
Finding trading really difficult at the moment. Supply/Demand is very small. Makes freelancer trading very difficult.
safe inlet
So is faster - more fuel consumptive QT better than a slower - more efficent? I mean, what's costs of Quantum Fuel?
woops
blissful sparrow
@gusty bear Yeah, unfortunately there's a trade exploit right now and its completely tanked trading. Luckily CiG has it solved for the next patch. Hopefully very soon.
@safe inlet Depends what you're doing. What size QT drive (what ship is it for)
safe inlet
I guess I'll go with Hemera for my red cutlass, mid-speed and less refueling
gusty bear
Thanks @blissful sparrow Explains it
@blissful sparrow Is it confirmed fixed in next patch?
blissful sparrow
Yeah, they have it listed as "fixed" on the issue council. Will either be 3.11 or a hotfix (probably 3.11)
gusty bear
👍
ornate rock
will be in 3.11, no point pushing it to LIVE
blissful sparrow
@safe inlet for a cutlass, use a Crossfield. Its SO FAST, and the cutlass has enough fuel to go very far before refueling. You can go across the whole system twice without hitting a stop.
Seriously, its insanely fast, and also cheap-ish. Use it. Love it.
QT fuel is dirt cheap, so efficiency doesn't really matter.
S2 military QT drives are currently the fastest in the game by a large margin. They accelerate super fast, and the top speed is crazy. Great for short jumps AND long ones. I use a Crossfield in my cutty black and its been a game changer.
vestal plume
Got a crossfield on my cutty, totally agree.
frank grove
Hey guys, trying to poke my nose into trading a bit, have a Titan package and the loaner Freelancer. So, my biggest question is this:
Should I use the Freelancer? Or is there a ship I can rent that would be better for profit?
Trying to avoid low supply commodities right now, looking at just running Titanium to Everus so far, but I'm open to other tips. Biggest thing I'm unsure about is ship choice. Advice?
fading saddle
Have no personal experience, but I would say, if you generally know what you're doing, rent a ship with bigger cargo space.
green sundial
renting a ship is viable certainly. just make sure you're gonna be making the money back. try renting for 3 days to see how you like it
delicate phoenix
So the pembroke armor can't be used right now?
frank grove
I was just asking what ship I could look at to rent. My normal tools are either busted or out of date at the moment, so it's back to old fashioned word of mouth sadly
delicate phoenix
Well not having the pem or nov kinda makes hand mining less worthwhile
The ruk is so small
crimson mantle
@frank grove I maintain and keep https://sc-trade.tools as updated as it can be! Feel free to give it a try.
As for ships, the loader freelancer is a great trader is you don't have too much capital.
frank grove
@crimson mantle I have been poking through it for most of the evening, it is very well built. I especially appreciate the option for finding trades if you're already headed in a direction, made use of that already with the 'Lancer headed from PO to Everus. Distilled Spirits was quite lucrative, but I'm still not certain of the legality of that run. It seemed to be legal, nothing said otherwise, but it is classified under Vice so it confused me a bit.
Also, there seems to be a (potentially just visual) issue where some trade routes list commodities as limited quantity, while others list the same commodity without the yellow border. Since I'm already talking with you (see: writing a small novel) I figured I'd report that.
Serious thanks for all the work you do on that site, you are an absolute powerhouse.
crimson mantle
No problem and thanks for the feedback!
The issue you're describing could be due to the fact that different shops have different stock/refresh rates.
I'll look into it though.
digital thorn
@frank grove , on the topic of Vice and legality, each different area you cross into has different ideas of what is legal. You can see it in your Journal (which no one ever looks at). When you enter Hurston space for the first time, you will get an entry that tells you what things are illegal in Hurston space.
it's actually a cool little feature....that nobody knows exists 😄
frank grove
That... Explains a whole lot actually. I think we are reaching an interesting level of things like that in game, where systems and lore do have some nice depth to them, but you have to dig for things which should be made obvious somewhere. I think I've looked at the Journal 3 times since I got the game?
Thanks for the tip though!
elder hazel
could anyone tell me if there is a workaround when the ROC overheats? Have left it for 10 mins and it doesn't seem to change, do I have to leave it for longer?
vestal plume
Anywhere decent to mine in the Microtech region?
edgy tendon
the moons aren't too bad. pickings on surface of microtech itself were slim.
crimson mantle
That being said, heavier gravity will make it harder on microTech.
Overall, microTech and its moons are not the best place to mine. The moons of Hurston are much more mineral-rich 🙂
(Except Arial, which is very bad to mine on a prospector)
hollow sedge
the moons aren't too bad. pickings on surface of microtech itself were slim.
@edgy tendon where are you selling the ores on MT? or around in that area?
NB I assume?
crimson mantle
@hollow sedge These are the only places to sell at https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Inert Materials
hollow sedge
@crimson mantle cheers. 🙂
sick hearth
Cargo and trade mission available in 1 hr 18:00 utc , looking for turret operators and pilots pm for invite
digital thorn
@elder hazel there is a part on the ROC that deteriorates quickly. Clearly your ROC has been alive long enough. The only fix I know is to claim it.
worldly vector
I had it happen with a roc and tried everything. Getting out, waiting, nothing worked. Tried to claim it and still didn't work. I just did a character reset. Hopefully that works.
sick hearth
Looking for more for roc
edgy tendon
@hollow sedge in NB planetary services The gravity was painful in retrospect too.
brisk sapphire
is there going to be a ramp or ladder on the star runner please ,