You claimed and your cargo was in it in the end? Oh
#industrial-professions
crimson mantle
verbal kraken
i claimed, it said there was none, i landed at PO, still no cargo, went to the terminal because i figured why the hell not.
it showed up as 0/x but it had the full load
crimson mantle
It would be interesting to see if that's reproducible or if you were just lucky 😅
verbal kraken
ive had it happen in my roc and mole before, its what gave me the idea
verbal kraken
@crimson mantle is there a trick to your tool? most of the stations that come up as #1 only have about 5-50 scu of cargo
crimson mantle
@verbal kraken I'm working on a little something to somewhat remedy this, but for now you should aim for shops with a higher refresh rate: https://i.imgur.com/thnAZJU.png
It's fairly hard though, as CIG doesn't have trading APIs to let us know what the stock/prices are. What's on the site is the static data that doesn't take into account player action.
verbal kraken
i see
crimson mantle
But aiming for better stocked locations will alleviate your issue.
Also, as a rule of thumb, 100 units = 1 SCU for almost everything. So you can do a quick head-math to see the refresh rates of shops.
crimson mantle
Correct: if it says 1000, yes it's 10SCU/min (if no one else if also buying there, even on another server)
verbal kraken
are the servers individuals to your knowledge?
crimson mantle
Economy is global, so are stocks and prices
I'm not entirely certain about regions though.
polar flame
PO has been terrible to sell at lately
crimson mantle
It's a very popular spot because of its location and small QT-to-terminal time.
round lintel
Nearly died because I forgot to put on my Pembroke before going out to do some mining on Arial, got out just in time to hit myself with a medi and switch to my pembroke, but instead of switching to the Pembroke it switched to my clothing, and I just got to the lip of my freelancer's bay before I tripped or something, might have been the heatstroke or lack of oxygen, but right as I hit 11% health with no medis left my pembroke armor equipped
Aaaaand my ROC vanished. Again.
tacit mauve
How do I find private property on Cellin?
I know there are guides but everything looks different on the terrain in 3.10
High up I can see the landmarks the guides all call out, when starting from Kareah, but as I close in everything looks different
Any updated guides with the current terrain?
round lintel
Okay so I guess you just cannot retrieve your ROC more than once a session. Unloaded my cargo, went to Everus to restock on waters, went back down to Arial, got in my ROC and now it won't turn on and I can't get out or kill myself
wicked pike
had same trouble with my arrow . spawned it once , then couldn't do anything once inside
verbal kraken
@round lintel have to have it blown up or go to menue D:
agile tulip
Literally can't spawn in my ROC cause I get that "Unable to deal with your request" everywhere i go
Anyone know any fixes?
lucid ridge
spawn it from a diffrent planet / moon
I had the same lost it deu to 30k on yela could not retrieve it so went to daymar and got it there
karmic escarp
the fix for that is character reset
odd hinge
Literally can't spawn in my ROC cause I get that "Unable to deal with your request" everywhere i go
@agile tulip Was your ROC in a ship you reclaimed?
agile tulip
Oh wait maybe
odd hinge
yeah, that seems to be a bug
which seems to perma bug the ROC
So you'll probably need to do a char reset to fix it :/
agile tulip
Darn
agile tulip
Did you reset your character or just let it happen?
odd hinge
i melted my ROC and re-bought it on the pledge store 😂
can't be arsed with a char reset right now tbh
pallid temple
Yeah I had to do that
agile tulip
Wait if you melt a ship can you not buy the original back?
agile tulip
Ohhh alright that makes sense, the ROC is just the first vehicle I've bought besides the starter pack.
crimson mantle
I'm not sure if it keeps the LTI if it was warbond and you melt/rebuy
pallid temple
It does
ornate rock
I CCU'd my emerald P72 into a ROC since I know I don't want to keep it as a pledge
in universe ROC price will likely fall in line with other ground vehicles and be quite cheap
I doubt it will be more than 100k, probably more in the 50k region
crimson mantle
Significant feature patch for SC Trade Tools (https://sc-trade.tools/): I added, among other things, "Suggest alternatives for each trade"!
Full details: https://github.com/EtienneLamoureux/sc-trade-tools/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#170
Hopefully that can help people a bit with the dynamic economy!
@naive maple That one was inspired by your comment :)
https://github.com/EtienneLamoureux/sc-trade-tools/issues/55
Now you can see at which price something is not worth buying by checking how much the website expects you to sell it for.
naive maple
@crimson mantle Worthwhile! Thank You for your attentiveness!
sonic laurel
I can't spawn my cutty due to the same issue
devout ibex
lost 1.2m today 😦
sonic laurel
ouch
iron badge
Is there really agricum on Rayari Cantwell Research Outpost on clio ??
gallog sas so , but i have never been able to buy it there...
grizzled grove
No. This site seems to be accurate in regards to where stuff is bought/sold, as always remember prices vary with stock https://scunpacked.com/commodities
arctic nova
Did they fix both Penbroke / Novikov inventory yet?
idle silo
No @arctic nova
rich bane
Probably will no be fixed any time soon
devout sable
Whats the best trade route
golden gyro
Whats the best trade route
@devout sable mining...
You’re lucky to fill any cargo ship with anything worth while
If you can find titanium that seems the safest bet atm. At a push agricium.
Selling at space stations is hit and miss if they have the capacity to take it. However as far as I am aware, all planet side admin offices or trading counters can take any quantity you have.
The issue is finding enough quantities to make the runs worthwhile.
Is there really agricum on Rayari Cantwell Research Outpost on clio ??
@iron badge don’t believe there was when I was on. The other outpost in Clio does though
crimson mantle
@devout sable The "best" depends on your ship and investment. You can try https://sc-trade.tools, keeping in mind that other traders compete against you.
@golden gyro You're right, finding available stock is usually the big issue right now. I've just added a new button to SC Trade Tools to find alternative commodities to trade when the main one you were going for is not available: https://i.imgur.com/fI1UajE.png
But it's a challenge
pure quartz
so where are actually some good mining spots for the ROC?
agile tulip
Any fix to not being able to turn on the greycat ROC?
round lintel
@agile tulip in my experience, should the ROC be retrieved at an outpost for a second time in that session, especially if it just vanishes into thin air, it will be bugged and will not start, nor let you get out or self-destruct/suicide. At that point your only options are to return to menu or get someone to come kill you
ivory bluff
Arial seems to be the best place. I had a blast yesterday on microtech because it's got so much more character tho
grizzled grove
is there a QT marker point on microtech that is at such a nice area?
round lintel
Probably not, just gotta fly or putter around in a rover and find it
grizzled grove
Thought so, I know about flying down from OM6 but I was hoping for a faster way.
ivory bluff
don't remember where that was. but if you just roam from the outposts and go for the grey patches on the planet, you come across these at some point
but the snowy areas are kinda cool too. flying over the snowy trees at night in a storm etc :D
cutlass with decoupled mode is really fun on microtech
with vtol
frail knoll
Does the SC trade tools show how long it takes for a place to fill up on a commedity
dry venture
i want to rent the prospector for mining,is it worth it?
lofty crest
karmic escarp
it beats AEWs
crimson mantle
@frail knoll Yes! https://i.imgur.com/thnAZJU.png
1 SCU is 100 unit. But keep in mind that other people might be buying too.
proven token
I wonder if theres any logic behind how slow they fill up.
I know they wanted an economy simulation, where actual NPCs and players can contribute
AKA miners would sell ore and that ore would be able to be transported, so buying or near mining sites makes sense
The numbers right now are pretty slow it seems
crimson mantle
Right now it's a hard-coded % of inventory per minute.
They seemed to want to use the price derived from the simulation, but since there's no such thing right now, they use a simple curve based on supply at the location.
We'll see what they come up with in the future!
And for the current logic for the supply: who knows! Valuable things are short-stocked though, that's for sure.
grizzled grove
If I were to guess, the logic is to have routes for all ship sizes. For that you need have something to stop the larger ships from hogging everything and being straight up better. So you put on one end of the spectrum low supply for the [low volume : high margin] stuff that are only worthwhile for small ships, since large ones can even fill their hold without waiting, and put a large supply for [high volume : low margin] stuff such as scrap and titanium so they are only worth trading in bulk, with variety in between. I'm not saying they did a good job at it, just that I think this what I interpret they did as a placeholder solution while economy simulation and stuff like jump size limitations are yet to be.
karmic escarp
The one thing with trading is that the existence of other set payouts in the game sets a floor for how much your time is worth. If you can bop bounties for an hour for so much, you're not going to trade in a freelancer
polar flame
High Stakes Poker right here ... full Cat of Laranite ... down to my last dime. ROLL THE DICE!!!
crimson mantle
How long did you have to wait to fill that up?
Best of luck!
polar flame
I got lucky. went between 2 different spots at the right times. each time I went i got ~100 sCU
oh ... and it was def a 'pucker' moment ... especially trying to land the cat in the station at NB during a storm that was blowing me around in circles 😦
vale finch
anyone know what the chute is for at the back of the prospector?
unique lion
inert material filtering, which is not ingame yet
vale finch
Thank, would be great if it was
wind knot
can you still equip a different mining head on a rented prospector through hangar?
cold goblet
does the roc fit in the titan?
low ermine
Yes it does!
grizzled grove
I tried it on the last PTU that gave everyone a ROC, and it doesnt fit in the Avenger Titan.
vale finch
@wind knot yeah i done it earlier
cold goblet
shit i just fucking bought it lol
what DOES it fit into?
I dont want to spend more money 🤦🏼♂️
i just wanted to mine
lol
hollow sedge
You can squish a ROC into the FREElancer.
But it's much better to just rent the Cuttlas Black.
cold goblet
how long is the freelancer free
hollow sedge
You can rent the Cutty for like 27k (24hours)
And it only takes like 2 or 3 rocks to get you the money back.
And with a full load, you make almost 200k of clean profit, from a single run.
So really, i wouldn't even bother with using Freelancer.
Loading the ROC into it, is pure pain.
acoustic hornet
whatre the best sc trade route finder?
foggy bison
They are all pretty outdated and inaccurate right now.
whole wagon
is cargo hauling trash right now?
I've read that in latest it's horrible, and that crashes are happening a lot now?
I have nothing to mine with, but everything cargo lol
wind knot
any ROC wants to team up with a prospector (me) to farm?
there's a 300k per hour method now
rugged salmon
300k a hour with a ROC??
wind knot
with a ROC and a prospector
split that in two for 2 guys
if you're lucky you can fill the ROC up in 30 mins
have you got one?
rugged salmon
I have 2
:p
one of them is bugged tho.. So i should reset my char etc.. but i dont dare to do it, in case i loose anything
wind knot
if the other one is fine, i've been getting exclusively the small ROC deposits for the last half an hour so you can join me
rugged salmon
I am unable to play right now but, i would love to try this later today
wind knot
k, i'm not sure if i'll be playing then, maybe in 15 hours or so after i finish
anyone else with a ROC?
wind knot
just found quantainium so we'll meet at olisar
rugged salmon
that's where i am anyway
vale finch
does anyone know why my ROC isnt showing up in game, just an aurora?
pallid temple
Are you at an outpost with a Platinum Bay building?
pallid temple
They're at outposts on moons
vale finch
okay thanks
cunning patio
what are the chances of infinite laranite coming back
or something as profitable in the trade industry
foggy bison
You shouldn’t rely on bugs to make money. Git gud.
vale bear
Where can I buy mining heads for the prospector? Bought the prospector last weekends and I'm loving the mining gameplay, now I'm ready to take it up a notch with a more powerful mining laser.
marsh umbra
anyone know how far to get away from ship in space to then reeneter and mine asteroids not scanning
glacial dagger
Stay there for up to 5 mins, and it should start to render in as an actual physical object. After that, the rest you start to come across should render in strait away
ornate rock
@vale bear Port Olisar has them, Lorville Dumpers Depot should also have them
make sure to buy the size 1 version
vale bear
Thx
unreal widget
if you mine on arial do you have to go to a station to buy water or can you do it on the moon?
pallid temple
You can't buy it on Arial
unreal widget
ugh pain
pallid temple
But you can buy water at Everus Harbour
pallid temple
You can sell the gems at any location that has a trading terminal
Whether it be an outpost on a moon or a station or a landing zone
unreal widget
thanks 🙂
polar flame
I fail to understand why the game can remember how much aeuc I have after a 30k ... but it cant remember that my cat was full of cargo (yeah yeah ... I know ... different systems ... )
ornate rock
so you do understand why, but... you don't?
crimson mantle
Your UEC are in a database, your cargo is only in the server's RAM. When the server crashes, it's RAM is lost, but the database persists.
polar flame
I just dont understand the challenge of writing cargo to db if they can write currency. Yes I understand that currency is just one variable being written/queried while cargo can be an array of many variables ... and that the main issue causing the 30ks is that the db is already getting choked with too many writes and queries. I get that icache is supposed to directly address this. I'm mostly just bitching right now
ornate rock
the challenge is that it requires someone to do it, someone who is busy doing other stuff
polar flame
For someone that designs enterprise systems that handle millions of transactions for global retail and banking customers, I struggle to see the issue.
@ornate rock yeah ... i can see that
IJS ... fuck push/pull and grenade throwing if your core tech is falling on its face
ornate rock
could you design a bridge?
polar flame
actually yes ... I participated in a few design competitions in college
polar flame
lol
ornate rock
someone who writes game logic generally has no clue about network or database coding
polar flame
Im not a programmer ... im an engineer
I dont think the programming is the issue ... its the engineering
ornate rock
it is the planning, it is also loading stuff onto an already fragile system
polar flame
They didnt build the foundation to scale ... and thats why they have to go back and redo it and try to retrofit everything else that they've built on the bad system onto the new one... and thats where the challenges lie
ornate rock
but that's what happens when you build a software that also has to be playable at the same time
if they'd ask me if they can just close the PU for a year or two to actually make progress developing the game instead of keeping the PU playable, I'd be totally up for it
polar flame
when you start out building ships then try to build a game around those ships you end up with a game that looks like a body builder that habitually skips leg day
if they'd ask me if they can just close the PU for a year or two to actually make progress developing the game instead of keeping the PU playable, I'd be totally up for it
@ornate rock ... but then the 'SCAM!!' trolls would have a field day
ornate rock
people wanted to have a playable game, so they threw what they had into some ragtag cobbled mess of a backend which kinda ish worked and kept developing features on top of it
and that's completely normal in software development
polar flame
the more features they build on it, the harder it becomes to fix the backend
Again ... i get what happened ... I'm just bitching because I rolled the dice and crapped out to a 30k and am back down under 100k aUEC
ornate rock
if you designed your interfaces properly there is little issue
and even if you fucked up interfaces, there are wrappers to cover up the mess you made
polar flame
right ...
dont get me started on the interfaces ... space age sim with no compass or planetary maps available? seriously
all navigation tied to the ships QT drive ... so if you are in a craft with out QT ... good luck?
I'm not a game developer ... but I am an avid gamer for over 25 years. I love what they are trying to do. I just question many of the design and engineering choices that just seem to be self-induced pain
sonic laurel
As much as I want the corsair I think if the roadmap turned to playability only for a awhile and they really tuned up Stanton and the servers I'd be pretty happy.
vale finch
anyone wanna do some mining with me, prospector or ROC?
devout sable
wheres the best place to mine in a prosperctor
karmic escarp
yela halo
hollow sedge
anyone wanna mine with me in a mole. pm me looking for new players to group up with
unreal widget
where can you mine with roc beside arial? the drinking water is pissing me off especially with the person inv not working with storing water
round lintel
You have to store water in a separate chest piece
And you can mine just about anywhere if you don't mind making significantly less profits
Just wait until your water is at 60% then drink, vestal water will fill 40%
round lintel
Also rather than using inner thought to continually drink you can instead carry the water and just hold left click and you'll drink continuously
wind knot
any ROC wants to team up with a prospector (me) to farm?
there's a 300k per hour method now
foggy bison
@wind knot Try #looking-for-session.
barren oasis
what is the best method to mine with a ROC?
foggy bison
@barren oasis I hear Arial one of Hurston’s moons is a good place for ROC mining.
Hadanite is what people usually go for I think.
round lintel
Yeah, Arial's small nodes are purely hadanite and can regularly be found in clusters of 3-7 and I've had as high as 13. A full roc of Hadanite sells at max for 220K though sometimes the ROC can glitch slightly and collect more than it can actually hold
Just slightly more though, like the highest I've ever sold for was like 224k
hollow sedge
It's good to wake up in Lorville before going to Arial.
As it offers unlimited free coffee, to get rid of your thirst.
round lintel
Not filling your rucksack up with delicious water and energy drinks
hollow sedge
2020
Still wearing rucksack.
If you go to Arial with that thing, you'll have much bigger problems than storing water...
round lintel
Rucksack is probably the best thing to be wearing if you don't plan to fight anyone or go to a severe climate planet
polar flame
@wind knot if you are still on, im interested in learning about this mining method
devout ibex
i just lost all of it
fuck
600k
reduced to atoms
one 30k is all it took
if i can borrow any1's ROC ill enjoy that
devout sable
where should you mine in a roc
woeful rock
Arial
hollow sedge
Arial sure is a fun place though, with the surface temperature reaching over 400°C
odd hinge
Yup
vale finch
is it possible to upgrade the ROC yet?
pallid temple
No
vale finch
okay thanks
old lake
BOI
filled up on laranite in one go
no quant but I found it immediately after getting to the surface
elder pendant
What did the full load of laranite sell for?
crimson mantle
32 SCU of laranite, 100% pure, sells for ~100k.
nova sentinel
Prospector mining is very luck based or am I just looking in the wrong places?
crimson mantle
Finding the valuable rocks is a big part of it.
ornate rock
it's part luck based, but also on what you end up picking up
odd flint
Has anyone else had any issues with their Cutlass ramp getting stuck down, especially when working on the surface loading and unloading the ROC? Does anyone have any workarounds? Sometimes it's very odd, where the ramp will move on some party members screens but not others.
green sundial
sounds like desync
unreal widget
Had it happen to the valkyrie
frail knoll
Well yes. No one is arguing that. The problem lies with there being no supply. 20 minutes for only 6% of my cat's load is just way to low.
odd flint
Can always run scrap I guess?
crimson mantle
@frail knoll You can consider using https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes with a refresh rate filter to only trade well-stocked commodities: https://i.imgur.com/thnAZJU.png
Some things respawn incredibly slowly.
tawdry inlet
Last time i put a personal inventory box in my cargohold it despawned when i went back into cave. That was in 3.8. Is that still happening?
vale finch
210k from a ROC mining run, cannot argue with that
worn flicker
can you do cargo runs with 10k or less?
glacial dagger
Wouldn't recommend it. Stick with container and delivery missions untill at least 80k+
You will thank me later
worn flicker
dang alright thanks
glacial dagger
Nw
I mean, you can, by all means. But don't start crying if you get 30k'ed and loose all your money
worn flicker
its aight already got that a few time lol
glacial dagger
There is a potential to go completely bankrupt in this game, unless you spend irl money for credits or you message someone asking to borrow some
worn flicker
oh gotcha
hollow sedge
I can't see anyone going bankrupt with a ROC.
spark linden
best spot for prospector mining?
tribal stirrup
I cant ever really find a place to mine with the Roc tbh
tribal stirrup
yea but fuck going to hurston for a heat suit it gotta be a better way
glacial dagger
Nope. Unless you wanna try your luck at grim
tribal stirrup
for the suit or just Yella?
tribal stirrup
yea thats starting to lean on the melting of the ROC
acoustic hornet
Do the values of commodities change day to day?
If so is there anywhere online with somewhat updated prices? The ones I've seen are off often
errant bay
Yo is piracy/freighter escort practical?
tribal stirrup
yep depending on area
errant bay
Ok
crimson mantle
@acoustic hornet Prices change depending on how much stock there's left in the shop. It can vary widly in just a few hours depending on player activity.
I keep https://sc-trade.tools updated with the base prices for each patch, but I don't know anyone that has accurate game-prices at the moment.
rugged salmon
Will the prospector be better to use than the ROC if it have the best mining module?
unreal widget
The roc is way overpowered 😅
Should get a nerf
Or mine something else then hadanite etc
tribal stirrup
it will be CIG does the whole smite money grab makes a new release product a money grab then nerf it once everyone has brought it
odd hinge
jokes on them, i just bought it with store credit 🤣
regardless, both prospector and ROC mining are viable methods atm
allthough i feel like the ROC is less RNG based and more rliable
on Daymar i can get a 100% Hadanite load in around an hour consistently
which is a good 220K
tribal stirrup
they have the ROC byable in game?
crimson mantle
No, not yet
tribal stirrup
i cant tell if i havent been flying the max in a while but it looks like trading has been nerfed a bit but then again it might be because i flew a cat for so long
crimson mantle
3.10 fixed a bug with trading where supplies were refreshing too quickly. Now they behave like they should and cause shortages of popular commodities.
Give a try to https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes (with Show stock details > Minimum refresh rate filter) if you find yourself searching for what to trade.
frail knoll
@crimson mantle You sure the refresh rates are accurate? I might not just be understanding the values correctly to be honest, but figured i’d ask. I.E after 10 minutes of waiting at Lathan, Laranite restocked to 18.5 SCU
Site says a refresh rate of 1389 u/min
crimson mantle
Ah well, you have to take into account that the economy is shared across all servers. Other people might be buying at the same time as you.
frail knoll
Oh, so it’s not just my server?
crimson mantle
My pleasure!
frail knoll
Not sure if I like that info tho haha
crimson mantle
Most don't :)
You can consider the commodities with higher refresh rate through the filter.
Or do mixed cargo loads with the "list" button
frail knoll
Was wondering if you could add a minimum buy rate in addition the the minimum refresh rate you have. One of routes by profit over time that first comes up after crossing out laranite is T&M diamonds sell to PO. However PO is very limited in what it can buy, etc
crimson mantle
The refresh rate filter applies to both sides of the trade.
I could try to make that fact more obvious though. Thanks for the feedback!
frail knoll
Wouldn’t it be better to have it split?
crimson mantle
That's a possibility too.
frail knoll
May want it to be sold faster than you were willing to wait on load
crimson mantle
You'd be more tolerant to wait at the destination for example?
crimson mantle
If you trade drugs in something bigger than an avenger titan, you like to wait 😛
frail knoll
Amen to that
crimson mantle
I'll add your suggestion to the list (https://github.com/EtienneLamoureux/sc-trade-tools/issues)
frail knoll
Ah, appreciate it. Will be sure to check that out
tribal stirrup
oh wow so they did do a global share smh
crimson mantle
Oh yes it is global. It's just not very fancy.
tribal stirrup
i was hoping it was a Idea only lol a bad idea
crimson mantle
If you want to get technical, the stocks are global, and each shop has it's own price curve. I haven't spent much time on cracking that though since it will change with the quanta system.
frail knoll
How are your route times calculated?
tribal stirrup
so is https://gallog.co/trading/ no good anymore?
crimson mantle
@frail knoll A mix of a standard QT drive speed for the ship size, distance and results from the users' responses to this: https://forms.gle/MwpBhG8eK5oBKvnQ7
@tribal stirrup I'm not involved with them, so I can't say one way or another.
tribal stirrup
gotcha
verbal kraken
@crimson mantle I think a popular request would be a page that lists what stations sell and buy. At the moment i can easily search where to buy something specific, but i cant search where to sell it easily. A combination page would be great. When you search for say laranite, it says (these places sell this, and these places buy it) Or am i missing this?
tawdry inlet
i heard of a way to change the mining head of a rented prospector
anybody know how to do that and what to look out for
crimson mantle
@verbal kraken You are correct, it has been a popular requested feature! And that's why it's scheduled for next release (https://github.com/EtienneLamoureux/sc-trade-tools/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A1.8.0).
While I know people won't beat the algorithm, it seems they still want to try and see the raw data 🙂
If you simply want to see where to sell your minables for example, you can use https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer
And thanks for the feedback, it just reinforces how much the community wants this raw data page!
worn flicker
quick question where is the best place for hand mining
vale finch
arial is pretty good, nothing but hadenite but you need the pembroke armour
supple kelp
this isn't real right
wind summit
No, it doesn’t take into account that there aren’t that many medical supplies and that you’ll be waiting hours to sell off those supplies.
round lintel
Arial is very bad for hand mining. Pembroke armor is required and even at night when it dips down to 230*C which the Pembroke can survive basically indefinitely, it doesn't have an inventory and swapping out to a rucksack for even a little bit can be deadly.
crimson mantle
@supple kelp Tumbly is correct: it would take an inordinate amount of time to sell that amount of medical supplies.
Additionally, Rayari deltana doesn't sell medical supplies anymore in 3.10
supple kelp
I was planning on selling at Area 18 TDD which would also have a large profit
Selling at Area 18 also means that it wouldn’t take as long to sell all of it
But yeah, I checked out the outpost and there was no med supplies
But thank you @crimson mantle
crimson mantle
My pleasure!
steady steppe
Is solo mining with the mole feasible or is the Prospector simply better
pallid temple
Prospector's better
unreal widget
Prefer mole. Jump down the stair luck with Stones 270k an hour
light pike
grizzled grove
I think it is a exploit of the way ship locations are "remembered" by the game right now and how cargo transfer works.
When you buy cargo somewhere it sets the ship as being "stored there" (even if spawning it there is not possible), but there is also physical range to determine valid sell/buy locations and as long as you can reach a sale point without requesting landing (which would update the "stored" location), you leave the ship there and go back with something else and buy cargo again at the previous location and will teleport it to the ship.
So, after buying cargo somewhere, people leave Cats in PO without requesting landing and go back and forth with something faster to buy somewhere and sell at PO. Technically also possible to do with the surface entrance to NB Commons. Also possible to do with multiple ships, creating one man trade fleets of a sort.
The upcoming addition of cargo deck mechanics will hopefully fix that
cold goblet
dolvine price?
pallid temple
Dolivine is 130aUEC per gem, not worth collecting it
Due to how hard it is to mine
steady steppe
Is it worth it to swap the Moles mining heads for helixes?
pallid temple
Yes
steady steppe
does it make a difference that theyre size 1 while doe moles stock heads are size 2?
or are they an upgrade nonetheless
crimson mantle
You can only upgrade the mole with mining lasers of size 2.
There are size 2 Helix. They are different from the size 1 ones.
odd hinge
Yup, Size 1 only fits on the prospector, Size 2 only fits on the mole
arctic nova
Still no fix for Novikov/Penbroke bug, right?
arctic nova
Oh... okay thank you.
round lintel
Anyone got any ROC mining tips? I generally make a full load in about 1.5-2 hours, generally flying low in one direction spamming full charge 1x scans. Am I doing it wrong or is my slow time generally just bad luck
pallid temple
How is it taking you 2 hours?
round lintel
I'm beginning to think just rotten luck, I'll fly about for minutes and find a spot what's only got one or two nodes
pallid temple
Where are you mining?
round lintel
Arial ofc
pallid temple
I've noticed something weird about Hadanite on Arial and Hadanite on Daymar. For context Daymar according to the game files has only Hadanite, but for some reason it also has Dolivine. But the distance between clusters on Daymar seem to be smaller than the distance between clusters on Arial
round lintel
Might try Daymar tomorrow. I also found a cluster of nodes only to find out they were hand mining nodes in the middle of fuck off nowhere
unreal widget
Takes about 50 min for me full load. Sounds messed up
pallid temple
Its not
odd hinge
Yup
That is on point @pallid temple
Exactly my experience as well
Arial only has Hadanite spawning, but more distance between them
Daymar has less distance, but also spawns Dolovine
odd hinge
owh odd
Still though
i switched from Arial to Daymar for my ROC mining
Closer together, and the tempratures are better to deal with
pallid temple
Yeah
odd hinge
The dolovine isn't an issue tbh
just ignore it and continue on
and from my experience, the majority is just Hadanite
pallid temple
Yeah
ionic needle
😋
pallid temple
But Dolivine is not worth it at all
The instability when mining it could be compared to the stability of the UK government right now
vale finch
dont ya just love when your game crashes and loose 220k worth of cargo
pallid temple
As in it crashed to desktop?
If you're quick enough to get back to the main menu, you can reconnect to your last session
vale finch
ye i tried but it put me into a different game so now i want to die
icy igloo
is it possible that deakins research center has no cargo?
outpost i mean
There are no med supplies
crimson mantle
Let me double check
Oh well yes, the shop's stock is shared across all servers. The smaller ones are regularly sold out.
crimson mantle
Deakins replenishes its medical supplies at the rate of 10SCU/minute (other people on other servers may be buying it too).
Consider using https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes with a refresh rate filter to maximize your chances of not leaving empty handed: https://i.imgur.com/thnAZJU.png
I also recently added a "find alternative commodities" button to the trades, so you can buy other profitable things when trading and finding a sold-out shop: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/3357406/91853717-99bb5d80-ec30-11ea-97d9-51dc4a582fb2.png
median bone
hi, i'm so sad, just purchased a caterpillar in game and i realize how the trading is difficult, for exemple this trading route, Bezdek to Lorville is over, 2M of players for only 100k units, it's peanuts 😆, i could buy titanium but the profits are negligeable, i prefer mining. Do you know if the trading will be reworked for the 3.11 ?
crimson mantle
@median bone Safe trading in a caterpillar is either Astatine for 115k profit or Titanium for 103k.
3.11 is supposed to bring cargo decks, which will revamp trading as we know it impact trading: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/roadmap/board/1-Star-Citizen/card/738-Space-Station-Cargo-Deck
pallid temple
Well they've never said it will revamp trading as we know it.... yet
crimson mantle
True. We don't know exactly how much it will affect it.
pallid temple
Who knows, we might get information on trading tonight
odd flint
@crimson mantle Are there any reasonable trades for the non-cat ships with 50-150 SCU of space?
pallid temple
My one hope is that when we get the ability to trade commodities between other Citizens, that we have to meet up at a cargo deck
crimson mantle
@odd flint Of course, ships like a freelancer MAX can make a safe 24k profit per run. Try your hand at https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes and see what works for you.
odd flint
I've checked out the tool, but there's a lot of random clicking. I was asking more about including not having everything be sold out. e.g. your "safe trading" example for the caterpillar.
The game really needs some commodities that are low/medium supply and high value, so they aren't worth it for a cat driver, but are still worth it for someone with a cutty or freelancer.
BTW I am not dissing the tool, I think it is freaking awesome.
But some of the data being fed in to it is suspect, like the time to complete the runs, the amount of cargo likely to be available, and the actual in-game prices.
crimson mantle
Oh, well thanks for the feedback.
My safe trading example is the result of this https://i.imgur.com/thnAZJU.png with a refresh rate of 2001.
The main issue is that caterpillar traders buy let's say all the valuable stuff, and then fill the rest with medium-valued commodities.
Fair enough.
- Travel times i get from helpful people filling in this: https://forms.gle/MwpBhG8eK5oBKvnQ7
- Prices are the static prices from the game's files. There's no way to hook into the game prices right now. That means you'll always make a bit less than advertised, unless shops are fully stocked. See https://sc-trade.tools/home#faq
- Same with stock. It's the static game file data.
odd flint
It always directs me to these routes that end at the orphanage and have a time of 6 minutes 26 seconds. There's no way you can fly to the orphanage in 6 minutes 🙂
pallid temple
You can if you know exactly where it is
crimson mantle
Ah yes, it doesn't do too well with hidden locations. You can avoid them entirely like so:
odd flint
That's a nice feature.
crimson mantle
Maybe I should make that default...
odd flint
I think the distance from OM-1 to The Orphanage is still several hundred km, so even at max speed just the last mile part of the trip is around 5 minutes if you know exactly where it is. Unless I'm doing it wrong which is entirely possible.
crimson mantle
Oh you're not wrong. The tool doesn't treat those hidden locations differently than regular ones right now.
I'll add something to the task list!
odd flint
I was more responding to @pallid temple not so much an anti-tool comment.
crimson mantle
Nah but that's a fair point.
odd flint
For the other travel times, is it calculating quantum time as well as calibrations, cooldowns, time spent docking, on trains, etc?
icy igloo
wait can you sell medical supplies at grim hex?
crimson mantle
No, I do not believe so
The main cities will buy large amounts of medical supplies, but that's it.
round lintel
Isn't CAt titanium turnover like 100k profit in like fifteen minutes?
crimson mantle
That seems exactly right! However you do have to go back, so the return trip cuts the profit over time.
round lintel
Still, better profits over ROC mining if slightly more Tedious
However you are basically able to boot up some Netflix on a second screen and chill while you QT
crimson mantle
True, although most of the time in the titanium route is spent landing at Lorville.
marsh umbra
is there a list somewhere of places a ROC can sell mined minerals at?
lucid ridge
at any trade console i recon
round lintel
Just about anywhere that makes purchases
marsh umbra
ah do i need to take the roc out of my ship, at a trade console i saw roc and showed amount in but no option to sell wonder if that was why
pallid temple
You don't need to take the ROC out of the ship
marsh umbra
i landed at the pad you think need to be closer? or maybe just that outpost not working
pallid temple
Where are you trying to sell?
marsh umbra
hadanite dolvine in roc that in my ships bay
pallid temple
No not what you're trying to sell, where in the system are you trying to sell from?
marsh umbra
deakins research outpost
pallid temple
Yeah you can't sell gems at that location
marsh umbra
k thats why was wondering if was list of where could. il try somewhere else
crimson mantle
@marsh umbra You can use https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer with a location filter (https://sc-trade.tools/assets/locations-filter-example.png) to be sure
On Yela you have two options:
- Benson Mining Outpost
- ArcCorp Mining Area 157
round lintel
I swear to God, @crimson mantle is the "There's an app for that" guy for Star Citizen
Love it
crimson mantle
Thanks, I do put a lot of work into it 🙂
round lintel
I imagine. Here's to the next fifteen years of hard work, hueh
crimson mantle
I'm already sweating about the Quantum system!
But we'll cross that bridge when we get there
round lintel
Here's hoping that things are simple enough to work in because I cannot imagine how much work goes into half this shit
agile tulip
Is this cargo bay update that's coming soon gonna add anything that will help me make profit?
round lintel
Prolly, whats your setup?
undone mica
Hello, could somebody tell me how I can change the mining head of a prospector ?
round lintel
Is it rented? And is the head you're trying to switch the right size?
Prospector uses size 1 heads, and if it's rented you need to go to your hanger to change it, you can't change it from the PU
undone mica
It's rented, yes
round lintel
Gucci, yeah go to your hangar and summon it there
undone mica
To my hangar ?
round lintel
But do know that when the rental period expires the head will not be returned to you, that money is entirely lost, so make good use of it
And yes if you back out to the SC menu where it shows Port Olisar and you can click on the Stanton system, if you instead look down there's an option to enter your hangar
undone mica
Thank you 🙂
undone mica
Also, is there a way to not wait 3 seconds to stow an item after you stowed one ?
round lintel
Like picking up ores when hand mining? I'm pretty sure that's just the server tick rate shitting itself, you should be able to pick up faster in lower pop servers but otherwise there's no workaround for the extremely slow stow rate
That I know of*
undone mica
:/
round lintel
Finished filling up my ROC, happily QTing towards the Mining area and all of a sudden my ship just nosedives in QT straight into the planet and explodes
AHHHHHH
drifting falcon
can u buy the roc in game?
odd hinge
Finished filling up my ROC, happily QTing towards the Mining area and all of a sudden my ship just nosedives in QT straight into the planet and explodes
@round lintel rip 😦
rain cape
Whats my best bet for hauling 2 or more ROC's? I know technically a cutty can fit 2, but its snug (and glitchy). A freelancer or lancer max is not very nimble in atmosphere. A valk seems like overkill though.
odd hinge
freelancer max is probably your best go for carrying 2 or more
as i suspect it should be able to carry 4 ROC's
round lintel
I can't imagine a MAX handles much better than the regular Freelancer in atmo though
Gotta get good with banking and using that full brake
rain cape
It doesnt. Max is a slug now. I think a Valkyrie is going to be the way to go with it.
odd hinge
i haven't flown a freelancer yet since they added the new flight mechanics, so i can't comment on that sadly
However the valkyrie is twice the price of the freelancer max atm
round lintel
Freelancers do not like to change direction in atmo, especially when flying upwards.
rain cape
Valk flies like a bigger cutty, IMHO. Lancer... just struggles. Overcompensates.
round lintel
Very drifty, hard to come to a full stop
rain cape
Yea, and when you are trying to do rapid touch and go's with two ROC's to scoop up materials and move on... its a level of risk I'd prefer to avoid. I'll try it for now though, until I can buy something bigger.
odd hinge
Tbh, i just fly a cutlass when i mine
You can always get a cutlass for every ROC, so they can mine independently?
median bone
hi, there is a cave for the ROC ?
pallid temple
No
trim zinc
So whats a good route for trading these days?
odd hinge
Tram and Meyers to Lorville really i think
Running diamonds
In a cat that gives you around 75~80K profit
odd hinge
it's working as intended atm
I mean, if the outposts have enough in stock, you can still try and run laranite
But the profits will be smaller than before
and restocking will take a lot longer
trim zinc
working as intended I think that word doesnt apply to Star Citizen XD
odd hinge
miraculously enough no major glitches atm 😂
You're right, working as intended probably isn't the best term 🤣
crimson mantle
@trim zinc Give a try to https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes, play with the filters a bit and see what you can find!
In a caterpillar and enough capital, you should run Astatine or Titanium for ~100-115k.
trim zinc
^ That tool is 100% inaccurate
just tried 4 diffrent routes, pricing was wrong, sell locations are wrong
arctic nova
I'm waiting til they fix the penbroke / Novikov inventory bug so i can return to hand mining, cuz i too poor to afford mining ships or ROC :/
tribal stirrup
hand mining is broken?
grizzled grove
no, the extreme enviroments armor have their personal inventory set to zero. But at least the rucksack is holding way more than it should.
acoustic hornet
is the roc pledge only?
unreal widget
anyone notice that the roc mining % is really slow sometimes?
usually one rock is around 4% now every rock i find is 1% or even less
then if i claim a new roc the % is back to 4 😛
crimson mantle
@trim zinc Well I'm happy to hear your feedback. I parse the game file to get the data, so you are right in saying that some deviation in prices exist.
If you have any specific errors you wish to point out, I'll do my best to correct them.
low ermine
Anyone having trouble with the roc not mining when you left click the rock in fracture mode!? Mine wont shoot. *scrolling up for voltage
proven token
I've had mining lasers glich out on me in the mole and prospector
wouldnt suprise me it happens in the roc too
It might have swaped fracture / extract UI
i've seen that
hollow sedge
Is trading w max viable rn?
What kind of profits
It's very, very, very far from being a cat
But it's what I got
golden gyro
probably 25k a run in a max... its 120 SCU the cat is around 500 and makes about 100k a run on titanium
You may be luckier with the Max and be able to sell a whole load at the stations, or at least make landing and leaving the atmosphere of the planets quicker.
grizzled grove
@crimson mantle I was messing around microtech last night, and SMO-13 didn't have the commodities listed on your site such as Astatine, but it did have Diamond (maybe it's inventory got switched around with SMO-10?).
obtuse sundial
Is there anywhere as good as Arial for Hadanite? I'd rather mine somewhere that I don't constantly melt
pallid temple
No
storm gazelle
Hey guys. Is there any way to make 300k profits as in 3.9? Mining/trading doesn't matter. I just can't find a proper way.
ivory bluff
daymar is usually my go-to for hadanite cause i don't usually feel like dealing with arial's heat
if you're lucky you can find those big patches of hadanite too
14 rocks is the biggest i've found
crimson mantle
@grizzled grove Thanks for the feedback! I do have to map the names manually, and those have extremely similar system-names. I'll check it out.
solid igloo
So, I just bought a cat, and I've always wanted to get into trading. Are there any trade runs that anyone would recommend
crimson mantle
@solid igloo For a caterpillar, Astatine and Titanium, for ~100-115k profit per run, is your safest bet.
You can always explore more routes over at https://sc-trade.tools, with some filters to start you with:
grizzled grove
Titanium from Arial to loreville is my go to. Bezdek or Lathan depending which is better aligned for qt
Do keep in mind Caterpillars hate atmo. A stop in loreville is 15 minutes long from exiting QT in its airspace to being back out of atmo after sale, assuming everything goes your way: trains in the station, spline aligned to your approach, redlining engines, stripped down to just jumpsuit and helmet for running speed. IF you arent used to the Caterpillar handling you might want to warm up with a space only route, say running scrap to PO from CRU-L1. Less profit per run but faster and easier.
You can then practice putting the ship in vertical hangars by doing scrap runs from CRU-L5 to Levski.
steady steppe
is diamond worth mining?
steady steppe
Oh thanks so much for that
stuck vessel
hey guys! what rocks should i look for with a rented prospector? i just suck with it. i end up with many rocks skipped because i cant get enough energy in, and getting lots of inert materials because i rarely end up wiht 100% chunks. is there any general meta for this? or just i suck at this that much? 😄
ohh yeah and its a rented prospector, so no helix for me afaik
obtuse sundial
For anyone who has had an issue when they have a ROC in a ship then store that ship, not being able to use the ROC after, I think I know what is causing it and how to work around it. (This may be already known, if so, sorry). I believe the issue is with the fact that the ROC doesn't close the door when you get out. If it get stored with the door open, this status is kept but when you summon the ship next, the ROC spawns with the door closed. So the game thinks the door is open but it's physically closed and when you enter the seat, you climb through the door and the game bugs.
Work around is as simple as closing the door manually when you get out the ROC.
low ermine
Anyone know roughly what a full roc is with hadenite is worth...? Just died to over heat after I got it almost full. Lmao. :(
round lintel
The cargo can bug and suck up slightly more than max though which is a nice bonus of like, 1k
obtuse sundial
True
And @low ermine that happened to me this morning so I feel your pain
Must learn to pay more attention
round lintel
The last time I went roc mining I loaded up fully and QT'D to the nearest mining outpost and my ship just nosedived into the planet in QT and blew up
low ermine
Aight thanks gents. Ima attempt it again.. except I cant get cutty to spawn now so I'll probs try it at a different station before headed to the ground. I watched on youtube a prospector and a roc pull in alot together aswell if anyone with a prospector wants to join my roc :)
unborn flower
Is greycat mining effective?
pallid temple
Yes
verbal kraken
go to the traders terminal and select yourself as the place thats selling
unborn flower
I rented a prospector but it won’t let me modify the laser head
round lintel
Go to your hangar from the main PU screen
unborn flower
Are all mining heads able to be used on prospector or do i have to change out something?
coarse vector
the diagram above is interesting, but i cant seem to find the most valuable resources, ever
spent hours on Yela for example, found Ti + Au rocks which are worth not much at all..
and after like 2 hours one 2.5% Laranite rock
that was a 2 hours run total for like 30K
dunno if rocks respawn at all, or if people just mined them out
round lintel
Prospector accepts only size 1 heads
unborn flower
Okay
Would it be possible to use a prospector mining asteroid belts
Or is the mining laser to weak
wispy moth
@unborn flower i mine in belts all the time just have a helix head
@verbal kraken if you have a good pilot micro near the aid shelters is a great laranite run
a good pilot is a must due to grav and environment
verbal kraken
thanks
little copper
anyone have issues where they try to spawn the greycat roc and it has a duplicate and wont allow it?
low ermine
Try spawning it at a different planet. Sucks but it worked for me earlier
little copper
okay thanks, ill give it a go
what are the size limitations to the rocks you can mind with the hand tool?
or is it limited to caves?
verbal kraken
caves only
little copper
okay thanks
verbal kraken
you going roc mining?
little copper
yeah been doing that but had a issue with a duplicate issue
cant claim it
and its bugged
verbal kraken
wana join up and voice?
little copper
not at the moment, appreciate the offer though, im with a buddy
little copper
im with him on voice in another discord
verbal kraken
ah
little copper
another time though, I would
verbal kraken
what planet yall on with ur roc
little copper
Hurston, just starting out
little copper
okay we will do that next
appreciate the info
right now we are just trying to get the roc out again lol
verbal kraken
yeah you have to go to a completely different plannet
little copper
we figured it out
thanks for the info and ideas
were new to this so trying to figure it out without bugging people to death
unborn flower
What’s a good place to mine using the stock prospector
low ermine
anyone having the grey cat fall apart when you go from your ship transporting it to the PO sell station and come back and its all busted up@!?!? this has been happening all day
cant sell my stuff that way shesh.
ivory bluff
it's been happening to me, i thought the roc took damage from npc gunfire but i'm not sure if that was the actual case
anyway, you should sell your cargo at outposts
fiery laurel
Is there a good guide somewhere to get started with this
atomic nymph
Hi all. Sorry if this has been mentioned before. but I have a problem where I am trying to hand mine. The multitool scans and fires, but the progress bar does not move, even when set at 100%. I have tried lots of tools and all work (or don't work) the same.
atomic nymph
Are these rocks to large to hand mine?
pallid temple
Yes
atomic nymph
Thanks . The scanner had shown diamonds next to them. Should I be looking for a different icon on the scanner
atomic nymph
np, thanks for your help
azure ginkgo
Is hadanite on every planet?
low ermine
Can one upgrade the mining head on a roc..?
I do think hadenite is on alot if planets but the amount varies
low ermine
heck yeah. ....if a better cooler is put on the ROC would it help with the heat at arial?! lol
pallid temple
No
verbal kraken
@azure ginkgo no, some planets have nothing
vale finch
is there any way to dump the contents of the ROC yet or is it only via selling it
pallid temple
Only by selling it
vale finch
Okay thanks
hollow sedge
Hello everyone
I'm pretty new to mining.i like it but my problem is that I had a terrible weekend.didn't make a dime.lost some with the different bug ect..anyway my question is:how do you deal with the hidden missiles spammers at PO please? I get killed 2 times lost my ore and the 3rd time I had to QT while hearing the missile lock warning...I'm sure I'm not the only one..how do you deal with this..
I went on arcorp and hurston to try mining but in hurston I blew up my prospector full of ore while landing down because of the wind
In clio there are good resource but wether is very agressive..
Do you have the same problem at PO? How do you deal with it please?
pallid temple
Well.. you should probably stop trying to sell at PO if you've failed 3 times
hollow sedge
Do you mine?
I precise my name in game is not selim or anything like that lol which could have make me a target for the most intelectual players
frail knoll
wtf did i just read
hollow sedge
??
Everything easy to understand
Is there someone in the cargo-and-mining section that has no problem trading in PO?
karmic escarp
Just sounds like a shitty server, server hop at that point
smoky widget
Hi all, what the best way to load up an Ursa rover onto a Constellation Aquila?
hollow sedge
On a moon/planet surface .no problem
Just sounds like a shitty server, server hop at that point
@karmic escarp yes I just think I had no luck this weekend
smoky widget
@hollow sedge can it be done solo or so I need someone to help?
hollow sedge
No solo no problem just choose an outpost that can spawn vehicles
1 you take your aquila from where you want
2 you go to an outpost that can make spawn a vehicle
3 you spawn it
4 you get the big aquila elevator down
5 you drive the rover into the elevator
6 you make the elevator go up
You can also do it on levski some people prefer because you can spawn both ships and vehicles
smoky widget
So I can have 2 vehicles spawned at the same time? (Rover and Aquila ?)
hollow sedge
Yes
smoky widget
Thanks much!
hollow sedge
But first you take the aquila
smoky widget
and land it on the surface somewhere by Lewsky?
hollow sedge
You take off with it and you park next to the vehicles garage at levski the you go out your aquila you go in the entrance surface and you make spawn your river
Rover
First go to the top lobby at levski so you will see the place
It's where you make the rover spawn: top lobby at levski.and after that you can figure out where to land your aquila
verbal kraken
@hollow sedge you should server hop the first time it happens
As a side note, the second you quantum into PO you go full speed then flip 180 when your close and after burner the opposite direction to get safely into PO
As another side note, if you go to leave PO and see people that are red (crime stat) its easier to land and hop servers
unreal widget
what's the most you can make in a freelancer? the free one
surreal silo
Looks like mining is actually going to be more profitable than drug smuggling in 3.10.
Took me almost 3 hrs to sell 15 scu of widow. Would’ve made 3X the profit at a min for 3 hrs of work.
odd hinge
Took me almost 3 hrs to sell 15 scu of widow. Would’ve made 3X the profit at a min for 3 hrs of work.
@surreal silo with the ROC, in 3 hours you can earn around 650~700K i believe
pallid temple
Its 660k aUEC for 3 hours
Although for me a ROC run is a little over an hour given I manually scoop up gems if the ROCs at 100% capacity and there's a number of rocks left to break
odd hinge
I tend to just ignore though
but average somewhere from 45 to 60 min for a run generally
surreal silo
I have a prospector but might upgrade to mole
surreal silo
I mine quantainium in asteroids around yela.
surreal silo
Any idea how much storage a mole has off hand? Prospector holds 32 scu
odd hinge
i personally just prefer hte prospector as i don't need to constantly leave the seat to mine
96 SCU
hearty pike
how come selling is so slow now? can only sell like 15k's worth of things at a time at grim hex
crimson mantle
@hearty pike Since 3.10, shops now have a proper rate at which they replenish their inventory/accept goods to be bought.
hearty pike
Anywhere I can see the rates ?
crimson mantle
I make a point of keeping https://sc-trade.tools/best-buyer updated, using the "Show stock details" option.
You may have to filter by location.
I'm also working on making that info more available next release 🙂
hearty pike
So say it refreshes 100 per min, how long do I have to wait before I can use the terminal again
crimson mantle
So 100 units/min is 1 SCU/min. As for how long, it depends if other people are also selling that same thing to the same shop, even on another server: it's all connected now!
minor moon
Not made more than 11k per mining run yet
severe star
I'm just getting into SC coming from Elite, and was wondering if there are a bunch of third party tools for SC like I used for Elite? I see the Trade Tools just posted, are there more I should look out for?
I'm hoping to find a way to check prices at the different market locations, do they change often or are they static?
tame mason
Where is the best place to sell a ship full of Agricultural supplies?
worldly vector
@minor moon how/ what are you mining? I make 220k per run of hadanite using the ROC
minor moon
Asteroid with Prospector
verbal kraken
@minor moon you have to be more picky on what you take.
i only take agrecium and up https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/744238100619853934/744239898223181955/qhv0jy8y8ga51.png
have to be 5% and up as well.
the only way ill touch haphest, titanium or diamond is if they are 25% or higher
and have a mass of 5k+
minor moon
I need to find asteroids with the good stuff first
verbal kraken
if your in a prospector, you may have better luck on the planets
worldly vector
On planets is faster.
unborn flower
Where’s the best place to mining with prospector
surreal silo
That’s how you park a Prospector at Grim Hex.
crimson mantle
@severe star Prices are dynamic, based on supply and demand for that particular location. Since there's no external API available for tools developers, all rely on the static data from the game's files.
Mine is https://sc-trade.tools, I'm happy to hear any feedback you may have!
I'd also recommend a look at the following tools:
-https://www.erkul.games/calculator
unborn flower
Is the aaron halo really that good
errant cradle
Just gonna be a really neat spot to go to
hollow sedge
if anyone wanna do some mine and grind like prospector + roc make lots of quick cash dms
verbal kraken
Is there a faster way to collect hand minables than picking them up one at a time when using the hand mining laser?
pallid temple
No
odd hinge
Nope, not yet
They are working on a tractor beam though, like the ROC has, for 3.12 i believe
pallid temple
Well not quite like the ROC
We don't know much about it, but its an attachment for the multitool
odd hinge
Wait, it's going to be an attachment?
odd hinge
No clue
It's a bit vague
I personally presumed it would be an update to the mining bit
pallid temple
It'd be cool if it were an attachment, but CiG are most likely leaning towards something separate
odd hinge
It being a seperate attachment would possibly defeat it's purpose a bit. Allowing you to quickly pick up gems after mining them 🤔
Then again, possibly it's integrated into the tool itself, as i could see use for a tractor beam with the cutter tool as well
Cut off a bit, and collect it, to then use it later on
Well, we'll see 😄
hearty pike
anyone got some decent quick 3.10 routes they want to share? daymar - grim hex route is way too slow now 😦
odd hinge
How do you mean, what for specifically?
hearty pike
well i used to be making around 300-400k in 20-25 mins, but now on that route i can only sell around 15ks worth of stuff at a time
odd hinge
Mining or cargo?
odd hinge
I mean, that is because they fixed stuff
granite meteor
Narcotics have low trade inventory capacities
odd hinge
There was a bug that caused inventories to reset to fully empty/full, rather than at the inclines
So now those work properly again
Best raw profit per run is running diamonds from tram & meyers to Lorville
granite meteor
☝️
odd hinge
Best profit per hour might be scrap from CRU-L3 to PO
As tram & meyers to Lorville and back takes a long time
hearty pike
aight cool, so legal commodities are better to sell in bigger amounts?
odd hinge
Defo yeah
granite meteor
Yeah
odd hinge
As all illegal commodities are only bought in small quantities
And if they buy a large quantity, it's at a big loss generally
hearty pike
thank ya
odd hinge
tbh, a cat makes most stuff worth running 😂
As a scrap run with a cat from CRU-L3 to PO is still like 25K profit generally
and those are short runs
leaden aurora
can someone send me the best and shortest route for med?
crimson mantle
@leaden aurora You want to know where to sell medical supplies?
crimson mantle
Do you already have a cargo full of them or do you want to buy & sell?
leaden aurora
buy and sell
crimson mantle
@leaden aurora If you're really adamant on wanting to trade in medical supplies, those routes are pretty good: https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes?q=%257B%2522ship%2522:%2522Freelancer%2522,%2522investment%2522:100000,%2522isCargoStolen%2522:false,%2522profitType%2522:%2522time%2522,%2522allowableDetour%2522:25,%2522maxStops%2522:5,%2522allowWaitTimes%2522:false,%2522showDetails%2522:true,%2522minQuantityPerMinute%2522:1000,%2522itemTypesType%2522:%2522blacklist%2522,%2522itemNames%2522:%255B%2522Medical%2520Supplies%2522%255D,%2522itemNamesType%2522:%2522whitelist%2522,%2522locationTypesType%2522:%2522blacklist%2522,%2522locationNamesType%2522:%2522blacklist%2522,%2522avoidHiddenLocations%2522:true%257D
Feel free to play with the filters
leaden aurora
thanks
crimson mantle
My pleasure!
leaden aurora
are they sure to work?
cause gallog doesnt work sometimes
also which is the best route?
crimson mantle
I maintain SC Trade Tools up to date. The shops might be sold out though, but they refresh their stock by the amount listed.
The top ones are better than the bottom ones, but it depends if you prefer to avoid some locations, etc.
I should say that medical supplies are best traded in small quantities.
grizzled grove
Since New Babbage allows you to skip the spaceport and train ride by landing outside the Commons surface exit, the microtech medical supply routes are the fastest. AND thus, the ones most likely to be low on stock since more people do them.
severe star
@crimson mantle Thanks for the help! I'll check these sites out. Too bad they aren't giving access to the API yet. Hopefully they add an in-game solution someday.
median bone
Hi, where is the best place to farm with the ROC ? I tried microtech but too mountainous and not enough ore, tried Arial, but even with the pembroke it's too heat, so i'm on yela for the moment, someone have a proposition ?
silver dove
Hay guys as I see tomorrow they will give some ships so I am thinking to use caterpillar for cargo run to make money so do you know what playce is gooog for buying and selling?
median bone
ok thx
crimson mantle
Feel free to tweak the filters!
grizzled grove
Just a heads up, one of the free fly ships is the eclipse https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/17768-Ship-Showdown-Top-16-Free-Fly
So merchants and miners might want to be extra paranoid.
grizzled grove
It's a stealth bomber with 3 Size 9 torpedos
leaden aurora
is it that powerful?
grizzled grove
and there is aglitch to reload mid flight
grizzled grove
There is no avoiding a torpedo on a miner or mechant ship other than entering QT before it hits you.
leaden aurora
i mean
grizzled grove
but the eclipse can get REAL CLOSE without you seeing it, before firing
unborn flower
Where is the best place to mine quantanium
surreal silo
Clio but it’s too far away from anywhere to sell before you explode. Yela to port olisar seems to be the best bet.
woeful gazelle
@unborn flower imho Yela Asteroid Belt
I wrote a guide for that, you can check that out here:
https://sites.google.com/view/starcitizenminersguide
unborn flower
Thanks when people say the Yela belt i always assumed they were talking about grim hex @woeful gazelle
verbal cargo
spawned the freelancer with the roc inside, got in the roc but now it won't power on or let me back out
known glitch?
visual karma
Does anyone know if there is an app for trade routes or mining maps or anything even kinda like that? I was thinking of instead of tabbing out of my game (hoping it doesn't crash) I could use my phone
frail knoll
Yeh just search for Star Citizen Trading Tool
Really good tool for finding routes n such
grizzled grove
Yes, the roc thing is a known glitch. You have to close the ROC cockpit before the ship state is saved, otherwise its saved with ROC as open, yet spawns closed, and becomes desynced.
crimson mantle
@visual karma I tried to make https://sc-trade.tools/home as mobile-friendly as possible, but let me know if you have any comments on usability!
tacit belfry
Has anyone come across a vice called "Thrust" in the game? is this an old item that was not removed or a quest item?
crimson mantle
Oh, never heard of that one. You can't sell it, that's for sure.
tacit belfry
Did a bounty mission against an npc Cutty. Wanted to see about dragging bodies in Zero-G and found a few packages floating in the wreckage
sonic laurel
See if you can sell it
tacit belfry
No can do. Which is a shame since just seen data someone pulled showing it at a value of 750
pallid temple
You can't
sonic laurel
Shame
digital thorn
isn't that he one that the old creepy bald guy would give you to transport on a quest? I remember it was a small black package you could lose.
pallid temple
You mean Wallace Kim?
digital thorn
yeah
crimson mantle
I just checked the data and "THRUST" does not seem to be a sellable commodity in 3.10.2.
tacit belfry
Just odd that it was floating in the debris of a bounty
Was hoping I had hit the mother lode of overlooked money makers
torn berry
i bought a caterpillar now what do i do for big moneys
unreal widget
trading sucks no big money to be made i'm afraid 😉
warm river
what are good things to mine in a prospector?
unreal widget
agricium, laranite
warm river
is that all i should look for?
unreal widget
taranite, bexalite. But most people go for agricium easier to find
and pays very good
warm river
ok thanks
sonic laurel
worth buying a helix mining head for the prospector we all get?
sonic laurel
what is a prospector full of agricium worth?
unreal widget
about 100k
torn berry
wait isnt a trading update coming?
unreal widget
3.11 is brining cargo decks
so yeah pretty sure they will change things when it comes to trading
agile tulip
Okay thanks
crimson mantle
pallid temple
Arial and microTech has only Hadanite @agile tulip
red ocean
Time to get mining while the Prospector is free
frail rivet
where can i sell aluminum?
blissful rain
daring perch
Where are the refinery terminals on/around ArcCorp?
grizzled grove
I havent used those in a long time but back then the ones on Area 18, were on the huge main arcorp building in the plaza, in front of the reception desk. (not the TDD)
worldly vector
I know on Lorville they are at the admin office
urban ledge
So what do you guys currently like doing better, ROC mining or Prosp?
daring perch
I vastly prefer prospector, it may fly like a paper bag in the jet stream, but it can fly, which is a big advantage. You get to places faster, you don't have to transport it in another ship, and if you're incredibly careful, it can be used against Roc sized ore nodes.
@grizzled grove the IO north tower?
grizzled grove
@daring perch Ive no clue what its called, but its the same building you have to go into to get to centermass
daring perch
yep, that's it, i couldn't find it yesterday because it looks exactly like the other commodity trade terminal
ashen trail
Hey guys, I am super new to the game and my goal is to get 1.5million at the end of freefly so I can get a cutlass black. How would I do this? Which mining/cargo route/strategy or whatever do I do?
crimson mantle
The way to go during the free fly is probably prospector mining. First do some missions to get the hang of the game.
You'll need to buy a s1 helix mining laser for 108k at one of those locations: https://finder.deepspacecrew.com/ShipMiningHeads1/81e1a10a-c7bd-401f-92e1-284115dcd6e1
Once you're equipped, look up mining guides. You can sell your ore at these locations: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Taranite
ashen trail
Tysm!!
crimson mantle
If you fancy trading instead, feel free to check out https://sc-trade.tools/trade-routes, but be aware that shops are often sold out and griefers/pirates lie in waiting during free fly events.
crimson mantle
Bounty hunting NPCs, doing mercenary work in space. You have good ships to work with for two weeks!
That'll let you learn the ropes of flying as well.
ashen trail
Yep. Thanks. Also nice website!
crimson mantle
My pleasure!
There's also a nice private investigator mission that shows up sometimes, it's immersive and pays well
ashen trail
Nice
gusty wedge
Hello I have a problem, mining laser wont fire. I press Mouse button 1 but nothing
I have tried to increase and decrease mining laser power with the mouse wheel
Is there something else i need to do?
crimson mantle
Are you in mining mode? 'M'?
crimson mantle
It should be powered by default, unless you deactivated it or your ship is damaged.
Does the same mouse button fire your guns when not in mining mode?
gusty wedge
Yes 🙂
crimson mantle
Bugs do still exist. You can always hold backspace to self destruct and spawn a new one.
Mining laser is also a single mouse click, don't hold it
crimson mantle
Ah, well good to know!
The same menu can also overclock it, to give it a big more edge for those tough rocks
crimson mantle
Other systems on your ship may get power-starved though, like the thrusters or shields
odd nacelle
That's wild with the video up there
I was wondering why the prices of Titanium was so jacked up everywhere I went.
crimson mantle
@odd nacelle Yeah, the economy is global and stocks are shared across all servers. Since the prices vary with supply and demand, only Arial will have reasonably priced Titanium, because it produces so much of it: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Titanium
somber crypt
any profitable trade runs around the olistar area? kinda bored of microtech
somber crypt
quick question if i wanna log off after i parked in a hangar with my cargo if i sawn that ship back will my cargo be in there?
or do i have to sell that now
pallid temple
If you store a ship at a station that has cargo and then you retrieve that ship from where you stored it, it'll have the cargo in it
somber crypt
sweeet ty
crimson mantle
@somber crypt I maintain https://sc-trade.tools to help traders find routes. Help yourself!
Add a locations filter and you'll be trading away from microtech in no time!
errant warren
Does buying illegal cargo work now
quartz laurel
, and if you're incredibly careful, it can be used against Roc sized ore nodes.
@daring perch , not sure how this would work since you cannot see an indicator when you're in or out of the mining laser optimal zone, etc...
crimson mantle
@errant warren There are a number of illegal commodities you can perfectly trade with.
Check out their buy and sell locations at https://sc-trade.tools/commodities, just don't get caught!
opal crow
so idk if anyone else has shared this method before , but what i have been doing was loading my ROC to my ship and flying over to daymar. I fly around and scan the rocks for "Hadenite". I dont even bother landing and mining unless i find clusters of 5+ rocks (which is fairly easy to find). When im mining with my ROC, i shut off the engine so it doesnt slide sideways while mining. When the ROC is full (its up to you) but i get into my ship and leave my ROC behind and QT to PO and sell. Average payout for me is about 200,000-220,000 auec for roughly 20-30 minutes of work
Oh and small/medium sized rocks (not the ones you mine) on Daymar , arent solid so on daymar i never worry about crashing my ROC because i typically just drive "through" it .
honest agate
If I'm mining in a prospector on ariel, what should I look for?
near flower
hows astatine trading these days?
i would love if sc trade tools can actually find a way to track live stock data within the game
wind summit
So the ROC doesn't have to be in your ship with you to sell?
hidden terrace
so idk if anyone else has shared this method before , but what i have been doing was loading my ROC to my ship and flying over to daymar. I fly around and scan the rocks for "Hadenite". I dont even bother landing and mining unless i find clusters of 5+ rocks (which is fairly easy to find). When im mining with my ROC, i shut off the engine so it doesnt slide sideways while mining. When the ROC is full (its up to you) but i get into my ship and leave my ROC behind and QT to PO and sell. Average payout for me is about 200,000-220,000 auec for roughly 20-30 minutes of work
@opal crow nice bud. Good tips their!
crimson mantle
i would love if sc trade tools can actually find a way to track live stock data within the game
@near flower
It's on my list, but they're not making it easy!
dusty coyote
@crimson mantle AWESOME site man, was wondering if [A] there's a way to show the current stock of a given station on the site, and [B] if a mobile app is planned?
it does work on mobile browser but i feel like an app would greatly improve it
as far as I can see though it just shows the max capacity and production rate
crimson mantle
Hi! To answer your questions:
- CIG doesn't give us anything to do that at the moment. I'm still looking into it, but if it ever comes it won't be soon.
- I can definitely consider it. What issues do you currently have on mobile?
As in, right now I get the data from the static game files, not the live servers. They don't have any public APIs to expose the data, so anything would have to be hacked through the calls that the game makes to get the trade terminal info. And those are not meant to be used by 3rd party.
dusty coyote
Ah i see
Not really any issues with mobile, I just feel an app would push the service better and could make it easier to set filters etc.
I could also just be lazy. Who knows :P Either way awesome service
crimson mantle
Nah that's fair. I'll add it to the list, but it would be a bit of work, so don't expect it soon :)
Thanks for the kind words!
dusty coyote
Lol i'm a hard image designer/artist, you people that can code amaze me
i tried to learn some JS at one point but my little brain can't handle it
crimson mantle
It's definitely a tricky thing to wrap your head around.
grizzled grove
Perhaps a collaboration with the gameglass devs to create a trading screen (they call them shards) for it, could be fruitful. https://gameglass.gg/
errant warren
Crap the SC trader fucked meh
I bought 100k worth of stims and now im at cru l1 just waiting for its stock to go back up...
full surge
the refresh rates of commodities like vices & medical supplies are usually not worth messing with, unless you're doing some AFK farming or something
errant warren
Yea i completely forgot. My brain was like o we have cat we go buy
I didnt even think
crimson mantle
@errant warren The Lorville population is favourable to Stims it seems. Area 18 also buys quite a bit: https://sc-trade.tools/commodities/Stims
Of course, they are illegal to traffic there.
errant warren
Well ill go try my luck at area 18 then
Cause like i dont wanna wait 6 hours
Thx
crimson mantle
No problem, that's why I made the website for!
vivid python
I love the site mate, just found it yesterday
Anyone know if they've reduced the amount of illegal stuff they will buy at like...Grim HEx? I hadn't played in a while, but my notes show me unloading 339K worth of Widow/ETam/Neon/ALTutricianieminem for 458K at GH. This went through in one terminal run as well.
last night, I couldn't sell more than about 10K worth of ANYTHING without a 5 minute wait
crimson mantle
Hey, thanks for the kind words!
There was a bug that got fixed in 3.10 where, previously, 100% of a shop inventory/buying capacity would reset each minute, instead of it's prescribed amount.
This has been fixed and shops now have a proper limited inventory/buying power.
vivid python
ok, I'm stuck with 140K worth of crap LOL
Can you know how much you can sell on average?
i was selling 500 Widow 800 Etam and Neon and 4K of ALT before
I guess I'm asking, how much shouhld I buy if I want to dump it in one go
OR maybe even with the wait, it's still the more proffitable way.
OR maybe normal commodities have higher buy limits
sorry for so many questions, trying to accelerate knowlege!