industrial-professions

[rough void]

or we go old school and use the sun or stars..

[ornate rock]

you sit there until the miner jumps to you

[cloud slate]

well cant wait till cargo is actually worth it again rip xD

[rough void]

ah yeah ok

[cloud slate]

i dont need to make millions but waiting that long to sell goods is a pain

[ornate rock]

ofc you'd have to do it in a belt, on a moon it would probably be annoying with atmosphere getting in the way

[rough void]

i hope with the new flight model and VTOL on the prospector we don't get constant overheat problems on moons..

but yeah, belts are probably the way to go anyway

[ornate rock]

since it has vtol you can point the main thrusters down, which shouldn't overheat

afaik the prospector had issues in the first few iterations on the PTU though, but those have been fixed supposedly

[turbid plinth]

mining on a planet is hard in 3.10 because the pros has a tendency to nose dive

and the nose touching the ground at any speed kills it dead

[proven token]

They designed the mining ship to not be able to hold its own weight

[turbid plinth]

so when you're pointed down to scan you fall and crash into the rock 🤣

back to PO you go

[hollow sedge]

I think it's gonna be the FedEx life for me next patch

Which will at least be nicer since I think the broken pickup spots are fixed now?

I remember reading the chain missions don't pay nearly enough tho

[willow crescent]

Bunch of whiners. Cargo is still viable. Cargo just is not the over the top like it was. Now you have to plan, search, and actually trade, instead of making 10 trips from Bezdek to Lorville in 2 hours and make 3 millions

It wasnt nerfed, it was ajusted so it wasnt easy money

god forbids i cant buy a 890J in 2 weeks now! Grow a pair

[cloud slate]

if only there was a 100% accurate way to find prices ingame without going somewhere lol

[willow crescent]

if only there was a 100% accurate way to find prices ingame without going somewhere lol
@cloud slate you mean, actually do your job as a trader and search for the best prices and routes?

[cloud slate]

with how it will be fluctuating prices none of the websites will keep up with it and if 5 people sell and the prices drops rapidly there is no way in game to see that

[willow crescent]

thats the point

suply and demand

[cloud slate]

thats fine

but when you cant actually pull up an accurate system ingame to see where the supply and demand is in real time thats not right

[willow crescent]

if a drop of location doesnt have the desired price, you need to fly to the other

but when you cant actually pull up an accurate system ingame to see where the supply and demand is in real time thats not right
@cloud slate ofc it is

[cloud slate]

so your whole thing of "plan and search" doesnt work ok haha

smart one

[willow crescent]

ofc it does

[cloud slate]

nope

it doesnt

[willow crescent]

it does, the fluctuation doest mean you will loose money, it means you will make less profit

[cloud slate]

if you cant see real time changes in the market from your ship which has connection to the internet which would have real time prices it doesnt work

[willow crescent]

what you are asking is a game mechanic that might be in a forseen future

[rancid chasm]

What do you even do with the catepillar now?

[cloud slate]

cargo haulers arent going to fly around to 20 different places to find the best price thats stupid

[willow crescent]

not its not stupid, it's trade

and you actually fly your ship around

[rancid chasm]

... To make pennies?

[cloud slate]

yes its a future mechanic thats why people are saying trading is broken now since the system trading needs doesnt exist

[willow crescent]

imagine doing that in a space sim of flying ships

imagine beeing a trader and have to look for the best deals. How dare they

[cloud slate]

add a system thats accurate that i can see pricings in real time

[rancid chasm]

Yeah how dare they nerf the existing content add not add any additional content.

[cloud slate]

which is how trading works

[willow crescent]

Yeah how dare they nerf the existing content add not add any additional content.
@rancid chasm Nerf? you mean take out easy money?

You say nerf, i say ajusted. Pot/Ketle

[cloud slate]

no trader is going to fly to 20 different places to only fly back to the first place cause it had a better prices...

[willow crescent]

Plan ahead. Find the route that best suits you

[rancid chasm]

Okay yeah I'll just go buy 15 SCU of laranite from one station, buy 3 SCU of scrap from another station, and while I'm at it I'll see if I can't get 7 SCU of medical supplies before it runs out to load up on my cat.

[willow crescent]

I already know, PO doesnt have the same suply of Medical suplies

I already know that most op's dont buy loads of medical suplies

i already know that T&M doesnt have the same laranite suply

[cloud slate]

supply and demand is fine but nerfing it all and not giving us a system to accurately plan and search for the best prices in game that changes according to supply and demand is stupid

[willow crescent]

I already know that Bezdek and Lathan have a nerfed refresh rate

[rancid chasm]

The caterpillar is utterly useless now.

I can fly the andromeda and make the same profit I could in a caterpillar.

[willow crescent]

I already know that agricium in Daymar is nerfed to hell

[turbid plinth]

agricium is restocking 6SCU

laranite is restocking 20SCU

[cloud slate]

all of this will be even worse because we cant track everything in real time in game

[turbid plinth]

every 10 mins

[cloud slate]

that is soooo bad

[turbid plinth]

and every server is fighting for that

[willow crescent]

Im making money without any problemas

if you cant means search life elsewhere

[cloud slate]

on the PTU i presume

[willow crescent]

PTU is the exact same way as PU

[turbid plinth]

PTU and PU have been adjusted

welcome to the hell

[cloud slate]

i ment in terms of population fighting over the same cargo

[willow crescent]

As it should be

Now it's actually near perfection

[cloud slate]

whatever, the systems arent there for what actually needs to happen so cargo is dead until they actually add real time systems that players can see ingame to plan proper routes

[willow crescent]

you guys like the easygaming!

[cloud slate]

you like not actuallly having proper systems soo..

[willow crescent]

i like it as it is, it's great and i can still make a ton of money

you just have to....surprise....think and plan

[cloud slate]

planning is not flying to 20 places to check prices then choosing where to sell

yes but atm there is nothing like that ingame

[willow crescent]

no, planning means find the best suitable route, and Then fly and trade

i still make over 600k an hour doing trade, and i dont even use the Cat

[turbid plinth]

@willow crescent are you trading right now

[rancid chasm]

Yeah. It's near perfection. Perfection for me uninstalling the game. You guys can sit here defending it all you want, I don't have time to sit here and waste with no cargo management systems or tracking systems in the game. In real life you place in a work request for cargo for your truck for example, go and pick it up, get paid. Now you get 20 SCU of cargo and your freighter ship is utterly worthless. The game was perfect before, players would work their asses off to get a caterpillar and players would actually plan pirate raids against them, that emergent gameplay is completely erased now and I considered it extremely entertaining.

[willow crescent]

im always trading

[turbid plinth]

the change happened 5 hours ago

[willow crescent]

im always trading

always

i dont make an empty trip ever

not even if im going to do something else

in the PTU the change happend 5 patches ago

Yeah. It's near perfection. Perfection for me uninstalling the game. You guys can sit here defending it all you want, I don't have time to sit here and waste with no cargo management systems or tracking systems in the game. In real life you place in a work request for cargo for your truck for example, go and pick it up, get paid. Now you get 20 SCU of cargo and your freighter ship is utterly worthless. The game was perfect before, players would work their asses off to get a caterpillar and players would actually plan pirate raids against them, that emergent gameplay is completely erased now and I considered it extremely entertaining.
@rancid chasm you get 20SCU because you are dumb and trading is not for you

[cloud slate]

sorry trading is not screwed , cargo hauling is screwed. cargo hauling is large quantities of goods which cost alot to buy and the profit is also large.

[willow crescent]

I fill my Carrack easy

[rancid chasm]

@willow crescent Wow. Thanks for the insults.

[willow crescent]

your trade definition is T&M -> PO x 10 times

[cloud slate]

thats CARGO!

[willow crescent]

thats not trading, thats griding

[cloud slate]

cargo is screwed

trading is different!

[willow crescent]

it's griding, not cargo!

[regal notch]

🤔 come back in few years and have a nice day :D

[willow crescent]

Cargo is beeing payed to Haul something.

[cloud slate]

cargo is moved is large quantities between places

[willow crescent]

Trading is buy stuff, to sell for profit

[polar kelp]

basically your gonna make 1/5th of what you were making from trading before unless you spend all your time going round the whole system finding a way to barely brake even

[cloud slate]

^

[willow crescent]

no, Cargo is to be payed to transport something for a price, so you get payed for the transport, and not for selling whats inside

[cloud slate]

yup basically mate

whatever got no time for your idiocy tonight

[willow crescent]

i know, you keep crying and ill keep making money

[rancid chasm]

Imagine being so petty that you had to sit here and defend a crap change all night acting more superior than everyone else rather than playing the game they're defending so hard.

[cloud slate]

you keep being stupid and illl advocate for actual proper systems

[willow crescent]

im sorry, its morning for me

im not stupid, im just saying the easy life of griding is over

[regal notch]

Keep it cool please

[willow crescent]

and im happy

[cloud slate]

your someone who doesnt like actual systems so its ok

we forgive you

[willow crescent]

now you have to actually play the game, you know, fly ships, find places, calculate, work with margins

your someone who doesnt like actual systems so its ok
@cloud slate yes i dont like beeing able to make 50 millions in 2 weeks

[regal notch]

The system is going to change with further patches , maybe in 3.12 or 4.0 ...

[cloud slate]

you cant calculate anything since there is NO actual proper system to allow for ingame price changes

[willow crescent]

You dont have excell?

Yes i can

[rancid chasm]

Not to mention with thinner margins 30ks will cost you that much more.

[cloud slate]

haha sure mate

[willow crescent]

i already know, the maximum price Agricium can go, when the stock is empty

and the lowest i can sell it

because, go figure, i did my homework (played the game)

[regal notch]

Btw laranite trade was/is bugged with infinite stocks .

[cloud slate]

you still dont get what im saying its ok your brain hasnt woken up yet all good

[willow crescent]

and that goes with all 4 major products

Laranite, agricium, laranite and titanium

you still dont get what im saying its ok your brain hasnt woken up yet all good
@cloud slate ohh i get what you are saying, you want someone, or something, to tell you where to go and what to buy and sell

[polar kelp]

yes because its a GAME

[willow crescent]

so you dont have to fly your ship around looking for it

[polar kelp]

i dont want to feel like im having to do chores

[regal notch]

There are already websites and Google sheets for that .

[willow crescent]

yes because its a GAME
@polar kelp so it's a game, and you dont want to play it?

[polar kelp]

i do want to play it i just want to have fun doing it

not spending hours making a single trade barely braking even

[willow crescent]

i dont want to feel like im having to do chores
@polar kelp no, you have to trade, go places to buy, and go places to sell, while you fly a ship, in a flying space smulator, that has flyiable ships

[regal notch]

https://gallog.co/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GWL6mHu60IrW7BaWdQ_DzjUAS7tYbli8HIJ3q6Ksq7E/edit#gid=112264172

[willow crescent]

Gallog right now is only good, so you know who buys and sells whats

for those that dont like to fly around and find for themselves

[polar kelp]

is that gallog a fixed thing

because its dynamic

[regal notch]

It is dynamic

[willow crescent]

it's dynamic i f you register and actually go there. Which means share data

[regal notch]

In game trading is dynamic

[polar kelp]

so the gallog updates all the time

[turbid plinth]

its crowd updated

[polar kelp]

and the spreadsheet makes absolutely no sense to me

[willow crescent]

In game trading is dynamic
@regal notch finally, with more realistic suplly and demand

[regal notch]

@polar kelp
For now that there are countless server shards of 50 max cap and not 1 big meshed one it is hard to find a updated data even if it is dynamic

[polar kelp]

fuck me ill need somebody to teach me this

i have absolutely no idea what im looking at

[regal notch]

But it is reliable on servers that haven't started the minute you joined or ones that are pretty old and full of people that are trading with a Caterpillar etc

It is actually easy if you go for what you gain on selling but you have know the low buy prices and were to sell at high ones .

It requires some hours of study if you want to understand the best profit route ... the best known for now is laranite one if you have a big trading ship like the Caterpillar and starting capital of 1.500.000 aUEC .

[polar kelp]

im looking at the gallog thing trying to make sense of it

but i just cant

[willow crescent]

im looking at the gallog thing trying to make sense of it
@polar kelp Use gallog just to know what the outpost sell and buy

dont pay atention to the margins

the margins are dynamic now

[polar kelp]

i mean i have 15k and a freelancer

[regal notch]

It is tricky cause it doesn't say witch units are limited stock , last time I checked it had unlimited on sell and buy , witch in game is not like that.

[willow crescent]

It is tricky cause it doesn't say witch units are limited stock , last time I checked it had unlimited on sell and buy , witch in game is not like that.
@regal notch in3.10

[regal notch]

About time is since 3.0 and before that I could trade

[willow crescent]

Yea!

i mean i have 15k and a freelancer
@polar kelp start with delivering missions

untill you have 100k

About time is since 3.0 and before that I could trade
@regal notch in 3.10 the price changes right after you go there and buy something

it wanst like that

the price reflects right away the amount available

[regal notch]

Yeah it was like perma glitched until it refreshed by leaving the place .

[ornate rock]

used to be like that in 3.8, with server markets being linked between regions

[willow crescent]

and the amounts are lower and the replenish rate is lower

[compact plover]

where is the infinite base?

theres always one base that is infinite

anyone found it?

[turbid plinth]

?

[lethal kayak]

Thats the Dev-dump terminal

which buy's at 30% price ...

[rough void]

Is it just me or have they buffed mining a bit? It was always like 3 rocks max near each other . Now i have fields with 10 here

And with better stuff

[lethal kayak]

No, my max field was 12 rocks ...and that was like a month ago

(they were all shite stuff)

[rain tundra]

Thats the Dev-dump terminal
Where’s that?

[lethal kayak]

CRU L4 & L5

[rough void]

dev-dump? never heard that. know only about the hidden "no question asked" terminals

and they pay very good

[turbid plinth]

the hidden nqa terminals take some cargo properly

but all other cargo @ 30% buy price

[rough void]

i see. only ever used it for SLAM

[undone socket]

did they stop the laranite?

[turbid plinth]

Yeap

@undone socket

[undone socket]

well damn

[turbid plinth]

all cargo back to pre 3.9.1

[undone socket]

intresting

[slate crane]

No idea how I make money now, I started with 3.9.1

[static ermine]

Same here

[lethal kayak]

@slate crane well, you can't now... wait for 3.10

[slate crane]

Im willing to do other than cargo haul, just looking for pointers where to look

[ornate rock]

deliveries, mining, combat

cargo wont be bad either, it always was relatively well paying

[compact plover]

so whats the best cargo run now?

[ornate rock]

that no longer exists

[compact plover]

so what makes the most money?

[ornate rock]

as soon as too many people serve "the best" route, the margins die out

[compact plover]

so what makes the most money?

because id rather grind for a week than pay many hundreds for a ship

[lethal kayak]

claim jumper missions ...back2back?

[ornate rock]

claimjumpers are a terrible mission, has always been

[compact plover]

i just want over 100k in like 30mins

[ornate rock]

for some reason people look at the payout and think it's good, but completely disregard travel time and enemy number

[compact plover]

if i cant get that im just going to wait until it breaks again

[ornate rock]

in 3.9.1 you can go for future ghost / exec / ECN and get to around 100-200k per hour if you tryhard enough

that wont be possible in 3.10 either

[compact plover]

ECN?

[ornate rock]

ECN alerts

[compact plover]

where do i get those?

[ornate rock]

pay about 10k, three enemies which can be potentially connies, so the worst paying one of the bunch

all of the missions are around hurston, but you need to have bad virtue/karma whatever

at least for the authorized execution and future ghost, ECN alerts are always available

they don't give crimestat though, just bad reputation (which doesnt make sense) which will be fixed with 3.10

[naive maple]

Are the future ghost missions gone in 3.10?

[ornate rock]

no, but they give crime stat, as they should

[compact plover]

im annoyed they fixed the trading

i was so close to getting a new ship

like doing box missions gets me at most 7k

id have to do 400 of those

[lethal kayak]

Time to start making a "driving model" deep learning bot to do box missions while i sleep then.... 😄

[compact plover]

if you ever do that

id love to buy it off you xD

[lethal kayak]

The complexity is astronomical (just thinking about pointer+F functions) ... but hey... a challenge is a challenge 😄

[compact plover]

no idea what that means but okl

[naive maple]

And the personal tab delivery missions... the smuggling boxes that are $15,388 each... those make $92,000 per round trip, just over an hour

Are those personal boxes getting nerfed in 3.10 as well?

[turbid plinth]

they arent in the PTU

[ornate rock]

this is the only personal delivery I have at PO (with neutral karma) in the PTU

lost and found pays similar, pretty much the old mission

[hollow sedge]

Does anyone have a list of broken package spots in 3.9

I can never remember which

Package* (edited)

[old sky]

Is there a specific channel to LFG for civi activities?

[ornate rock]

no, just use the #looking-for-session channel

[hollow sedge]

Cuz I wanna do deliveries again but I can never remember which locations are bugged

I'm trash at combat and I don't wanna wait till 3.10 to start making money again lol

[slate crane]

We could make money in 3.10 again?

[sacred tangle]

I'm out of the loop. What's up with the cargo runs?

[foggy nacelle]

So all the personal missions are like shady stuff?

[vast summit]

pretty much

[naive maple]

So all the personal missions are like shady stuff?
@foggy nacelle Yeah, but you can always hack your Criminal Record and erase the fines you get for trafficking cotraband

[vast summit]

finding so many good alternative routes, and they are all low risk. Problem is to make a sizeable profit you NEED a Cat

[lofty crest]

the grind up to a cat is hard no middle ground yet between a max and a cat

hopefully with the hull series and better mining options that jump will be a little easier

[vast summit]

Looking to see what kind of hold they give the Connie Taurus

[lofty crest]

only problem is they cost too much l;like 3mil? may as well save is max is only 2 with 120

its like alpha so who cares

[vast summit]

im still watching, i havent settled on my final ship layout yet

[lofty crest]

same tbf if its modular like elite its gonna be very intresting

[vast summit]

lineup rather

[lofty crest]

i love the cat for cargo, so much econ needs to be included for trade to be an intresting loop imo

[sacred tangle]

So what happened to cargo? I can't get an answer

[vast summit]

they fixed it

[lofty crest]

i have no idea, i think they put in basic econ

[vast summit]

For me i feel the cat is great for running cargo, but i dont like flying it, but i love the way the Connie feels, so if the Connie taurus is between 150-200SCU of cargo, i may prefer that over the Cat

[lofty crest]

i have no tried yet, im alwyas straight to making money

maybe ill give it a go

Hull series will be super intresting for cargo

CIG have such huge scope they just need to put it in ASAP imo

[vast summit]

problem is, they need to put in the supporting systems before they can add the Hull C which from what i have seen is the one that they have nearly completed.

[lofty crest]

*20 minutes of yt vids and im a game developed lmao

they are putting in cargo bays soon which is gonna be cool

cant wait to do the same PO -> X route 50 times

[vast summit]

even then, the Hull C is only going to be able to do Station-Station routes

until we have the ability to transfer cargo between ships

[vale widget]

rip trading

[lofty crest]

honestly thats something i havent seen in a game? like its not 'exciting' but its a new flavour

[vast summit]

why do you say that Statenhel?

[obtuse sundial]

Talk about timing. Server just 30Ked after I found 8 Hadanite rocks :(#

[vast summit]

i have found at least 2 additional Laranite routes that will nearly fill a Cat

and several new low risk - moderate income routes as well

moderate being between 100-200k

so trade isnt dead, its going to evolve

[obtuse sundial]

Timeframe per trip?

I am happy to check Gallog and SCunpacked myself to work it out#

[vast summit]

~20 minutes

[lucid ridge]

sorry for asking i am pretty new to sc how do you find it?

[obtuse sundial]

OK, I will scour the sites. TY

[vast summit]

basically Farm Supplies from Perlman to CBD will net you 144k

then there are 2 ArcCorp Mining Facilities on Wala that you can sell at TDD at Area 18

sorry second one is Laranite

[lofty crest]

thats my cat run

low key i want a pirate trading vessel like the cat

thats all i need

[vale widget]

right now trading in 3.9 is bugged like hell

thats why I said rip trading

[lofty crest]

its all static in 3.9

so just do area 45 - area 18

and make bank

[vale widget]

can't because you can only sell 40 units of a particular product or less

not even scu

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/community/issue-council/star-citizen-alpha-3/STARC-124722-Unannounced_Trading_Nerf_-_trading_is_broken

[lofty crest]

:((( i havent played in a few weeks

along with 30k wht is the point

[vast summit]

diversify

[vale widget]

not sure about mining

[vast summit]

basically whats happening is the destinations are hitting their trade limits lol

[vale widget]

yeah

why even have a caterpillar if you can only sell so little

[vast summit]

you are thinking small, the short route gravy train is over

[lofty crest]

to me (drunk me) it feels like the universe is too small so the limits are just there yanno?

[vale widget]

maybe I am thinking small

but grinding in this game hits a new level

[vast summit]

so you have a load of laranite you picked up at Arial, if CBD isnt buying

[vale widget]

nothings buying

[vast summit]

try A18 or New Babbage

[vale widget]

those aren't working

[vast summit]

then its a bug

its not a nerf

[vale widget]

seems like it

[lofty crest]

new bug in game - CIG calls it a NERF

classic dev

[vale widget]

won't be surprised

[lofty crest]

like i watched the con panel at one of the citcons and i was so hype

[vale widget]

guy was saying that if they turn this into a feature then why even do anything

[lofty crest]

^&

CIg want that "you play for the fun"

why call it a SIM then

fuck i cant type

[vast summit]

so one thing to keep in mind, the end goal is to have the weapons and equipment you buy be manufactured

and to manufacture those items will require resources

creating a supply and demand chain

now im not defending this bug or whatever this is. But its not always going to be like this

[lofty crest]

yeh real econ is gonna be cool

it is alpha

[vale widget]

true

[lofty crest]

an age old defence for sure

and cant hjold up

[inner totem]

so, after 2 days of dealing with 30k's and life, this is what i have now for my spreadsheet. need to go to where specific ores spawn and get more samples to narrow down the data.

[lofty crest]

but like

[vast summit]

actually it does

until recently Alpha Test has always meant feature testing

[lofty crest]

theres a whole thing and im too gone to do the discuss for an after points

pls help me

[vale widget]

very neat @inner totem

[vast summit]

thanks to AAA devs using alpha/betas as a marketing scheme and the Early Access craze, people view Alpha differently

[obtuse sundial]

Lukas is 100% correct

[vast summit]

But Alpha means that its going to be buggy, and anything game breaking that prevents testing is going to be fixed, with minor bugs not being considered. The goal is to implement and test new features.

[obtuse sundial]

Alpha is for feature adding and development. Beta is for polishing (ideally)

[vast summit]

Beta is where the features are mostly done, maybe some smaller new features will be added but nothing major. As its easier to fix smaller bugs at this point as adding new major features ALWAYS adds new bugs whether they be BIG or SMALL.

then you go Gold

[obtuse sundial]

There does seem to be a disconnect where people think Alpha = Demo

[vast summit]

again, thats because of Early Access and some AAA companies using it as a marketing scheme

[obtuse sundial]

Indeed

Minecraft has a lot to answer for :p

[vast summit]

Again this explaination is not to forgive the speed at which they are developing the game, but if you go into an Alpha expecting a polished product... you're gonna have a bad time.

[obtuse sundial]

I don't think the speed is the problem considering how hugely complicated what they are trying to achieve is. The problem is that as backers we want more information as to what is going on.

[marsh umbra]

biggest problem is most ppl dont realize how long it really takes to build a game from ground up vs companies using old engines or hash repeat with cosmetic changes ie cod for example. that and alot of things starcitizen is building tech wise havent really been done before

[vast summit]

and again, this is an MMO which has always had longer development cycles than standard games

[obtuse sundial]

That may be an entitled postion, but if we had more info on what was going on, people would, potentially, be less annoyed at how long things are taking.

[vast summit]

well i think a lot of the focus is on SQ42 with SC on the backburner as it is. And as we have all seen they haven't been overly transparent on SQ42s development.

And because we are not actively testing it people are getting antsy thinking its vaporware, etc.

[obtuse sundial]

Indeed

[inner totem]

until CIG shows us something beside more ships, something major i will stand by my stance that the game wont ever come out and is nothing but a tech demo to throw money at. i still support the game in the hope that it will come out, but currently i dont see it ever coming out of alpha or whatever state its in.

[marsh umbra]

meh, starcitizen is already hands down the most open development for a game/ company you can find anywhere. ppl just complain when cant immediately get what they want or expect and while i understand with sq42 ppl were hoping for that video and so forth but while it seems sq42 is on the backburner ppl completely ignore the fact that any other game has huge droughts of info or none till ready to release. that and most games arent made or shelved at times by many major companie and then they take pieces that were intertesting and use for newer games or old ones that still are ongoing as feature updates

[obtuse sundial]

With the trading change, I just wish they would do a quick release to say either "Yes, this is the intended result" or "No, this has gone wrong, we are working to fix it".

[inner totem]

hopefully it is inteded, i put in WORK as a miner only to have a cargo freighter make 4-5x's what i do in half the time.

[vast summit]

I dont know why they are messing with economic aspects when they are not even ready to test the economy

at this stage in testing, in order to make sure a larger variety of features are tested they either need to make everything available to everyone for free, or they need to put everything at an inflated income rate. As it sits right now trading is the most heavily tested thing in the PU as it is.

[marsh umbra]

with trade change i think and look back on a few years ago with star citizen, like the different planet tech version and other iteration like the interface with the world and figure that its always subject to change and possible improvement. funny because most companies actually test different iterations to get feedback and then decide on final version and someone is always unhappy while others love the end result

[obtuse sundial]

Of course. If this is how it is now, fine, just wish I could sell my Cat :p

But if it's gone wrong, let us know

[vast summit]

and then when they are ready to do the economy, they do a wipe, implement the changes and start over.

[obtuse sundial]

Again I agree. Especially since we only have one system at the moment and limited options for trading.

So they can't support all the people in the servers.

Where we have multiple systems and you can trade from say Sol to Staton, that will be fine.

Also, how do we buy/test large ships when we can't earn the credits to buy them?

[vast summit]

hope that the people who backed for those ships back when they were on sale are still around to test them?

[obtuse sundial]

I want to test a Carrack but don't have £600 lol

[vast summit]

what's going to be funny, is when the game goes live, and two large orgs starting a fight crashes the server because they didn't have a good enough test sample for large scale battles involving multiple Idris, Javelins, Krakens, etc. controlled by players.

[inner totem]

with a max of 50 players per server i dont think that will be that much of an issue.

[pallid temple]

But server meshing

[vast summit]

if they dont test it, you cant say with certainty that it will go without a hitch lol

you still need a way to collect logs and data from situations like that

and its better to do those things in testing, than live

[obtuse sundial]

Oh well. No trading for me anyway. My Cat is bugged. Can't summon it or claim it anywhere 😦

[lethal kayak]

All valid points are being made here... what I'm curious about is:

What constitutes a BETA RELEASE? This game seems a bit farfetched when it comes to features they are trying to implement left and right.... but is there actually a list of things? A checklist so we can get an idea how long it'll take?

i.e. BETA release when:

• 5 systems
• x/y/z/gamma mechanics in place?
• that new trading they talked at the Con.?

[solemn cradle]

I'd guess when certain mechanics are in place.

[proven token]

True alpha / beta stuff has been replaced with marketing

"Star citizen going to beta" would just be a PR push

not a true feature complete %

[lethal kayak]

No-one expect a feature complete... they can keep adding features 5 years after it's beta-released (and probably will)... thing is... without a clear bare-minimum it feels like there is no clear path... no end in sight... which is no bueno.

[obtuse sundial]

According to Gallogm there is a station on Lyria and a station on Calliope that sell Agricium but they have no refresh rate or max inv. Is this a bug or do they supply?#

[frail cairn]

@obtuse sundial

does it say there is none at

T n M and bezdek

or did gallog not update

[obtuse sundial]

That's what Gallog has

[frail cairn]

@obtuse sundial where do u go to find that?

on the wbsite

[odd meadow]

Just bought prospector in game and upgraded to helix mining head, need to take a break from cargo running. Which planet is the best to start and whats the best materials to mine?

[honest sentinel]

Hey, I'm new here. Just wondering if anyone is trying to keep up with these new trade changes.

[vale widget]

it should hopefully not exist for long

[honest sentinel]

geez I hope so, everyone is guessing atm

[vale widget]

seems like only scrap is the most consistent

plus the only thing to fill your cargo hold

judging from what I have seen

this glitch/nerf? is only present in 3.9

it occurred Late July 31st

this video was 8 hours ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgpQeV1JPAk

guy sells cargo perfectly fine in 3.10

nvm seems to be working again in 3.9

sh a d o w patches

nvm

[delicate phoenix]

I did some hand mining today and was pretty surprised how much you can make with Novak and 130k storage

[urban ledge]

Welp I also bought a Prosp too, cause of the whole trading fiasco

[delicate phoenix]

Can you drop your personal into a box and sell from a ship that way?

[spiral olive]

should I buy a prospector and do mining instead of cargo now or what

[delicate phoenix]

I'd probably wait for 3.10 to hit PU

[near flower]

i

do

not

like

shadow nerfed trading in 3.9

im getting 6k only per 30mins

[cloud slate]

yeah larger cargo ships are worthlless now

because you cant fill them properly to make money

trading and cargo will be for small ships in 3.10 is what will most likely

[delicate phoenix]

Well 3.10 isn't actually done yet, so who knows. Not worth getting up in arms about something that may or may not be, imo

[cloud slate]

yeah very true

[inner totem]

i hate the fact i cant do ANY space mining.

i can only mine rocks on planets.

[near flower]

i just dont understand why they have to force feed us in 3.9 now, and not just announcing it properly and implement it into 3.10

its a shit show, what am i supposed to do with my cat now, ram people?

and shadow nerfing is a dick move in any game

[hollow sedge]

@inner totem you can space mine the asteroids along yela

[cloud slate]

is space mining still broken?

ive head alot of people still have issues pertaining to the fact as soon as you break the rock is disappears in front of your eyes @hollow sedge ?

[near flower]

right now?

everything in game is broken

[hollow sedge]

Negative @cloud slate not in the Yela Asteroid belt

Other locations - yes

Unless they broke everything with the cargo shadow nurf

[cloud slate]

haha ok i shall have to take my mole out and try it aye cheers

[woeful moss]

What cargo shadow nurf?

[turbid plinth]

Dynamic pricing and all servers sharing supply

So profits go down as ppl push trade, n supply is a lot less than before

@near flower its actually the opposite. Big haulers can still haul titanium/diamond and make 100k

Small haulers r crushed

[near flower]

all servers sharing supply lol

thats so toxic wtf

[cloud slate]

its a good thing but the issue is we cant watch prices properly as no matter whatt there is no system in game that monitors everything properly, sure you can use gallog etc but they wont be up to date all as often cause of the constant changes inn prices that can rapidly change

[celest oracle]

Yeah, it sucks to not be able to determine if you'll be able to sell something in a certain quantity somewhere

[near flower]

i wonder if the info were always shown on those mvds above trading consoles in the business centre on lorville

[turbid plinth]

nah that info is all placeholder lorem ipsum

[modest bay]

Good, they fixed the trading bug.

Prisons in PTU also not bugged, Pyro Tool works after you put it away. When you try to stow the second rock while the first one is being stored, the inner thought gives a warning. And getting out of prison doesn't jettison you to space or crash the game. Crossing my fingers it all transitions to PU intact.

[urban ledge]

Are you meaning the shadow nerf when you say the trading bug?

[celest oracle]

I think he is, the current situation is how things should be

[turbid plinth]

the shadow 'fix'

[celest oracle]

I think the situation will get better, most people ran the same routes so now you can't sell because everyone is trying to unload their cats with the same resources

[ashen epoch]

wait 4ace they fixed the storeing bug that glitches the mobi glass when storeing rocks?! if stored to fast or so on?

[real vessel]

my friend mentioned that there were some updates to the live version of game as it relates to refresh rate at some outposts

said it affects trading. anyone else see this?

or is it on his end

[turbid plinth]

look @ the last 24 hours of firestorm 🤣

its everyone

[real vessel]

oh wow

bit of a heavy hand nerf then, huh?

[turbid plinth]

not a nerf. they fixed a bug that gave infinite cargo

[real vessel]

well that was needed. Just wondering if trading is still profitable

[turbid plinth]

a caterpillar can still make 100+k per run

[real vessel]

oh well that is plenty good

if it makes Mining a similiar value, i think that is cool

i figure mining should be less profitable on average with less risk

and occasional chances for big scores

[sick pulsar]

@turbid plinth prospector can make the same in 3.10 PTU

[real vessel]

@sick pulsar a cat run should be less time to complete than a full prospector, yeah?

i only have a MOLE not a prospector, so not sure on time to fill cargo hull

[willow crescent]

because you cant fill them properly to make money
@cloud slate here we go again. I have no problem in filling up my Carrack

Several times, and over and over

[cloud slate]

Ah the chat was nice till you showed up

[willow crescent]

the chat was filled with idiotic coments of ppl that cant think, and figure out how to make money in 3.10 with trading

[cloud slate]

Love how you went back over 3hours to drag this up

Looking for drama clearly

[willow crescent]

because all they want is the infinite and bugged laranite availability

Love how you went back over 3hours to drag this up
@cloud slate it was 3 days ago

[cloud slate]

Even fucking worse

[sick pulsar]

@real vessel you didn`t need fill cargo, personal inv. only, 500k of hadanite.

[willow crescent]

Looking for drama clearly
@cloud slate no just stating that you are wrong

[cloud slate]

Your a idiot mate

Dragging shit up for the sake of drama piss off

[willow crescent]

Your a idiot mate
@cloud slate yea i am, an idiot that figure out hwo to make money in 3.10 with trading, while you keep whining. want some cheese?

[real vessel]

children

calm yourselves

[willow crescent]

Dragging shit up for the sake of drama piss off
@cloud slate you are the one that keeps saying that trading is broken, when it's not

[cloud slate]

Just fuck off dragging up 3 day old drama is pathetic

[sick pulsar]

Agree, for fan.

[cloud slate]

I was having a chat with other people who had similar thoughts so fuck off

[willow crescent]

Just fuck off dragging up 3 day old drama is pathetic
@cloud slate you need to clear that statment of yours. It's been 3 days and you still whine about the same subject with the same wrong arguments

[cloud slate]

Whatever

[real vessel]

thanks @sick pulsar

Nice haul

[willow crescent]

buuhhuu, im sto stupid to do trading now what am i going to do with my life now. Yea!

[cloud slate]

Im glad you realised your stupid mate

[willow crescent]

you failed at sarcasm

which is not a surprise

[cloud slate]

Nah i just dont have time for literal stupid comments from fuckwits

[willow crescent]

Trading is not broken. It takes effort now and planing. Deal with that and go cry elsewhere

[cloud slate]

Im giving my opinion and thoughts and all your doing is telling me im wrong which is fucked in the head. Its people like you who have destroyed this world

[willow crescent]

You are giving your opinion, using wrong statements for the past 10 days

over and over and over and over and over

[cloud slate]

Nope

Nope

Nope

[willow crescent]

everytime you open your filthy mouth it's to say that trading is broken

[cloud slate]

Everytime you open your everyone else looses brain cells so...

[willow crescent]

you Cant loose what you dont have

[cloud slate]

Even if i cant loose any id still have more then you

[willow crescent]

impossible, 0=0

[cloud slate]

Im walking away, dont comment on my posts or chats any more fuckwit

[willow crescent]

i will

[cloud slate]

Your an instigator

[willow crescent]

all the 10 minutes i have per day to check this, and everytime i see you whine about the same thing

[cloud slate]

I wasnt talking to you

I was having a chat with other members who had similar thoughts

Ok so stop looking through old chats and dragging up my stuff

[willow crescent]

Your an instigator
@cloud slate i am not! you were the one saying that trading is broken. I showed you facts that is not, and you insulted calling me stupid. Im just returning the favor

[cloud slate]

This game is far from finished and everyones ideas and opinions are valid so fuck off

Theres 1000s of people who think the same thing

[willow crescent]

This game is far from finished and everyones ideas and opinions are valid so fuck off
@cloud slate except mine? uiiiii1, you need to take your meds

[cloud slate]

Ok once again the game isnt finished so what i think is wrong and what you think is right doesnt fucking matter

Im done

[willow crescent]

It's. I can make money with trading, and you cant. Thats an indicator

[cloud slate]

Whatever im done with you

[willow crescent]

You said that 5 coments ago!

[rugged rampart]

Well this devolved quickly

[willow crescent]

God damn spastic poeple. Trading is not broken. Laranite runs are fiXED. Infinite deposits with 5 minutes refresh rates, are FIXED. Trading takes effort now as it should, instead of griding Laranite runs from Bezdek and Lathan over and over and over

[rugged rampart]

I guess it’s fixed but at the same time it’s kinda a mixed bag

[cloud slate]

@rugged rampart cant help people that dont understand the games not finished and realise we need more systems for things to work properly haha

[willow crescent]

@rugged rampart cant help people that dont undertsand the games not finished and realise we need more systems for things to work properly haha

Wrong quote

I guess it’s fixed but at the same time it’s kinda a mixed bag
@rugged rampart how so?

[rugged rampart]

Well, it’s kinda much more difficult to make quick and easy money now, which is good, but it also seems like a push to use real cash on virtual ships

It is a shadow patch

Mind you

[willow crescent]

Well, it’s kinda much more difficult to make quick and easy money now, which is good, but it also seems like a push to use real cash on virtual ships
@rugged rampart it may be, but you cant say that when you have pretty much all ships for sale ingame

[rugged rampart]

I only have a freelancer

And most ships cost 2 mill or more

Cat can still do 100k runs

[willow crescent]

Would agree with you if you couldnt. Problem is people were used to easy and fast money, and now it will take more time to buy that Cat. So they cry over it and say it's broken

[rugged rampart]

Not gonna cry, saying it sucks, just the tiniest bit

I already found new good runs

So does not matter anymore

[willow crescent]

I already found new good runs
@rugged rampart and they exist. Just took what? some thinking and some time?

[rugged rampart]

Yep

[willow crescent]

Thank you!

[rugged rampart]

I gotta admit I really got into the Laranite & slam trade when it still existed though

Good money quick

What a shame

[willow crescent]

See Dingdong, this is how 2 people that dont see eye to eye and dont actually agree 100% argue

[rugged rampart]

Also

Won’t you tubers be the death of routes now

Think of digthat32 where he recommends a route

Rip that trade

[cloud slate]

Whatever mate i stated way back at the begining that the system for trading is fine but we need a proper ingame system to show real time price changes

[willow crescent]

Money per hour was nerfed. Thats it. You can still make a lot of money. But you cant grind, yes

[rugged rampart]

@cloud slate at some point in time someone will probably make something like gallog

But more suited to this

[cloud slate]

Yes i know for ingame

[rugged rampart]

True, but that kinda takes the fun out of trading

[willow crescent]

True, but that kinda takes the fun out of trading
@rugged rampart YES!

[cloud slate]

Which is what im advocating for im just saying atm there is no way to actually know prices ingame cause gallog womt keep up to date 100% of the time

So you have to fly to 5 different places to see the prices before selling which is crazy

[willow crescent]

True, but that kinda takes the fun out of trading
@rugged rampart in other words, no more easy pie!

[rugged rampart]

I guess

I’m just making a spreadsheet

[willow crescent]

So you have to fly to 5 different places to see the prices before selling which is crazy
@cloud slate Imagine that. Have to fly a ship in a space simulator with flying Ships!

[rugged rampart]

Weirdly, scrap is good

[cloud slate]

You still dont see what im saying

[rugged rampart]

Diamonds and Titianium are fine

Diamond routes seem to be the new laranite

Drug routes like slam are crushed

[willow crescent]

You still dont see what im saying
@cloud slate i am, you want the job made easy for you!

[rugged rampart]

But some others make good cash

[cloud slate]

Wow

Yup you dont get it

[rugged rampart]

Wait though at DrDingo

Think of it from another perspective

Instead of easy or not

Imagine if a ton of people camped your route

Cause they found the system in game

This includes griefers, padrammers, all the likes

[cloud slate]

Im saying that in the age spaceships we would have a way to check market vaules on where the prices are good so allowing people trading to cut down on time and fuel to make profit

That would be 100%a thing

[willow crescent]

Im saying that in the age spaceships we would have a way to check market vaules on where the prices are good so allowing people trading to cut down on time and fuel to make profit
@cloud slate and wheres the RISK!

[rugged rampart]

True

@cloud slate

[willow crescent]

This includes griefers, padrammers, all the likes
@rugged rampart Yes thank you

[cloud slate]

Regardless of risk its an actual thing

[rugged rampart]

Yeah

[cloud slate]

Your talk of simulator but you want to refuse people something thats real...

[rugged rampart]

Problem is people will follow it

[cloud slate]

Ok then

[willow crescent]

Regardless of risk its an actual thing
@cloud slate no it's not, thats trademarket, not trading comodoties

[rugged rampart]

And rip route

[willow crescent]

whatever that is spelled

[rugged rampart]

Commmodities

[cloud slate]

Regardless it can be used for the same thing people do it in real life

[willow crescent]

no they dont!

[rugged rampart]

What

[cloud slate]

Nobody is gonna drive to 10 different places to find the best price to sell something

[rugged rampart]

You do know that a market irl exists right

[cloud slate]

They will google it then go there

[willow crescent]

i can get a cargo for pick up today that costs XX Eur to take and trhe next day is cheapest or more expensive

[rugged rampart]

It’s inevitable for people to make something to track it

I game

*ingame

[cloud slate]

Yeah because its a real thing

[willow crescent]

Not in hauling

which is what you do

[rugged rampart]

But it will also suck cause people will follow it

[cloud slate]

This is what ive been trying to tell Devil but he cant understand that

[rugged rampart]

Actually, won’t sites kill routes almost immediately?

[cloud slate]

Yes i agree people will follow it but devil says we cant have it cause this is a simulator

[rugged rampart]

If it constantly recommends new routes, then it will tank them in a matter of minutes

[cloud slate]

Companies will have sites that show what things are worth in each location

[willow crescent]

Yes i agree people will follow it but devil says we cant have it cause this is a simulator
@cloud slate ppl will follow because ppl will do their home work, not because theres a system that will tell them what to do

The same way ppl found out that in bezdek abnd lathan were an infinite amount of laranite

Like Stateoffear does, and like i do

[cloud slate]

Systems help people figure out the best routes, nobody is gonna fly to 20 places to figure out what the best price is thats money and time wasting

No company does that

[willow crescent]

Systems help people figure out the best routes, nobody is gonna fly to 20 places to figure out what the best price is thats money and time wasting
@cloud slate they will do it 1 time, and then they will have a route planned

[rugged rampart]

Maybe a system is good, sure it facilitates an easy reading, but it’s constantly risky as it will run out in minutes/hours. Then people can also find other routes not using the system

Like experimenting

[cloud slate]

Nope cause prices will change every minute because of supply and demand

[rugged rampart]

That’s risky

[cloud slate]

So if you cant track it then you could literally go there and the price be down

[willow crescent]

Nope cause prices will change every minute because of supply and demand
@cloud slate Profit will deviate, not the rest

[rugged rampart]

It’s basically like jumping on the opportunity before it runs out

[willow crescent]

Profit and availability

[rugged rampart]

Kinda more high stakes

Than what we have

[willow crescent]

You can also guard the place, not allowing anyone go there

[cloud slate]

All im saying is there should be a data base that tracks commondity and cargo prices because well thats a real thing

[rugged rampart]

Yeah

[willow crescent]

The possibilities for game play are huge

[cloud slate]

So because the system is real then yes it should happen

[rugged rampart]

Shit if there was a system it would be just as competitive as a real market

And when people find a route

[cloud slate]

Exactly which is fine

[rugged rampart]

They can sell the info for cash

[cloud slate]

Yup

This has been my point all along

[willow crescent]

The info on that exact momento, not on real time!

not in

[rugged rampart]

With the new mo.trader

System won’t do drugs

It will be kinda hard to find good routes cause they will die quick

So it’s a constant rush pretty much

[cloud slate]

Yup because prices change in real time

There should be a way to track this ingame as it happens

Because its a real thing

[rugged rampart]

Immersion.jog

Jpg

[cloud slate]

Its something that 100% be real in this age of spaceships

[rugged rampart]

I’m pretty excited

[cloud slate]

So am i

[half grotto]

Price deviation isn't a drastic cut to profit, demand caps are the larger issue

[rugged rampart]

Oh damn

[cloud slate]

But i get annoyed when people drag up my 3 day old convos to call me wrong, spastic and tell.me to take my meds

[rugged rampart]

Almost forgot about that

[half grotto]

Jfc

Both of you either kiss or block each other
In any case stop with the stupid shit slinging

[willow crescent]

But i get annoyed when people drag up my 3 day old convos to call me wrong, spastic and tell.me to take my meds
@cloud slate ppl call back your day convos, because after 3 days you are still on the same subject and you still havent taken your meds

[cloud slate]

Wow

Here we go again

[rugged rampart]

Circus time

[cloud slate]

Im allowed to say what i want, its my opions

I can talk abiut whatever topic i wish it doesnt make me wrong

[willow crescent]

Here we go again
@cloud slate i was silent untill this,
But i get annoyed when people drag up my 3 day old convos to call me wrong, spastic and tell.me to take my meds
@cloud slate so you cleary didnt get the point

[half grotto]

Both of you drop it

[willow crescent]

I can talk abiut whatever topic i wish it doesnt make me wrong
@cloud slate so i cant talk about your convo 3 days ago?

Both of you drop it
@half grotto !k

[rugged rampart]

God it feels like a debate server all over again

[cloud slate]

Blocked so its not an issue now

[rugged rampart]

Well damn

[cloud slate]

Im sorry if i had an idea that alot of others have had

[willow crescent]

Im sorry if i had an idea that alot of others have had
@cloud slate im sorry if i think your idea is wrong and all you want is your work cut out for you

blocked or not

back to work

[rugged rampart]

Drug time

I will sell my organs to buy e’tam

Cya

[cloud slate]

Lol

[hollow sedge]

Dude it seems ridiculous to me to expect me to spend 40 minutes traipsing around the solar system finding somewhere to possibly make a profit

[iron jacinth]

trading is f...d now 😦

[pallid temple]

No...

[hollow sedge]

Like, yes I'm sure Gallog and the other tools will surely adapt

[ornate rock]

I think he wanted to say

trading is fixed now

[iron jacinth]

Nah.... even the 30k's are not fixed 😂

[hollow sedge]

But it seems pretty out there to genuinely suggest someone be going around different trading spots to find somewhere to make a profit before trading each day, which someone was if I skimmed the earlier convo right
But maybe that's just me? I've always liked fun systems more than practical or realistic ones

But not all people do

It's smth I see a lot, sim or game? What kind of balance can you get

[ornate rock]

going to a 3rd party website and click around to find the "best" route and then do that until the end of time is fun?

gathering the information should happen in game, if you find a good route, keep it secret and profit or share it and lose out

[hollow sedge]

No! But neither is landing at six different spots around the system just to see what they're buying for
I'm already spending an hour landing at just four places for package deliveries, but at least I'm making a little bit of money :P
Especially since the nature of this system means anything you find is impermanent

[ornate rock]

it doesn't mean that at all, certain places sell stuff, other places buy it

the rates just fluctuate between certain values

once too many people serve one route, the margins will die down

it has been like that for a long time and it's going to be even more dynamic once the proper trade system is in place

[rough void]

possible that we get some kind of trade computer we can add as a sub-item to our ship computer or whatever that helps to keep track of prices

[hollow sedge]

That would be a really cool way of doing it

[rough void]

i mean the whole system is far from finished. that it its annoying now for sure does not stay that way

[hollow sedge]

And thank you for clearing that up some Baarn

[ornate rock]

@hollow sedge have you watched the talk on uhm... the dynamic universe from citcon?

it's really interesting to see what they are planning

[hollow sedge]

Shoot me a link

I'll have to check it out

[bright star]

"it's really interesting to see what they are PLANNING"

sorry for barging in. hi

[ornate rock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8VFw1F-olQ

it's a long one, but worth the watch imo

[hollow sedge]

👍

[bright star]

so how long till we see it in PU?

[errant cradle]

Take a seat over here, your mom and I have some bad news for you

[rugged rampart]

Lol

[queen meadow]

Ok, so I'm trying to Sell the 5000 medical supplies I bought to make a profit...
But they only took a small amount yesterday...
Logged on now, still only another small amount...
Anything I can do?

[rugged rampart]

It’s the new trading system

Basically laranite and slam/ others have been fixed

Routes will die out if too many people use it

Your route may be overused

Thus lower margins

Gallog.co has not adapted to the situation yet

It’s sort of a shadow patch

But it makes a more dynamic universe

Pretty much you need to find your own routes now

Put it on a spreadsheet or something

And don’t share it with anyone

Or your profits go bye bye

[queen meadow]

I have done... and chose medical supplies

But didn't know about selling limits

[rugged rampart]

How much did you buy

[queen meadow]

Any way to find where I can sell all my medical supplies?
...I filled up my lancer, 6600

[rugged rampart]

Rip

Sell maybe at micro tech

[rough void]

unlikely that you can sell all at once

[queen meadow]

5,296 left to sell

[rugged rampart]

That’s good

[queen meadow]

It is?

[rugged rampart]

Compared to others

Some people could only sell 42 units of slam/laranite every 11 minutes

[queen meadow]

Yeah, but I thought medical supplies would be in high demand... they're mostly face masks and ventilators

[rugged rampart]

Eh, sell at either olisar, grimhex, or microtech

Those should net you something good

If your route is used a lot

It explains why you might be having trouble selling

[queen meadow]

Who's got the latest and most up To date buy/sell prices

[rugged rampart]

No one

It’s too recent

People are still experimenting

I’m doing drug runs

Found some good ones

[queen meadow]

I can never figure out how to find them

[rugged rampart]

The drug labs?

[queen meadow]

Ya

[rugged rampart]

Jump town is easy

Go to yela

Fly to on-2

Om 2

Face to om6

[queen meadow]

I followed videos, triangulate my position from other points of reference, I had no hope

[rugged rampart]

Fly 320 km

Fly to the hand

Some you can use missions to find them

These include orinth

On Hurston

Go to personal missions and it will give you a marker

[queen meadow]

I'll give it another try

[rugged rampart]

Also titainium and diamond are the new valuable

[queen meadow]

Mg cargo bay is full tho 😂

[rugged rampart]

Run it till it goes out

I’m thinking if I find good routes

I can sell the info

[queen meadow]

Ps... are you talking about 3.9 Or 3.10

[rugged rampart]

Both

[queen meadow]

K

[rugged rampart]

It should affect everything

[willow crescent]

Yeah, but I thought medical supplies would be in high demand... they're mostly face masks and ventilators
@queen meadow you can sell everything at the major hubs (Lorville, NB, Area 18)

Medical suplies are bought pretty much by all mining facilities

in diferent amounts ofc, but all want them

so theres high demand, but not in one place alone

[turbid plinth]

@queen meadow park at lorville cbd and take your time selling

lorville has the highest buy rate

[celest oracle]

Is it even possible to look at sell rates without having a specific cargo?

[turbid plinth]

no

[celest oracle]

That's even worse than I thought then 🤦🏻‍♂️

[broken harness]

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/i2idvl/to_all_the_people_complaining_about_the_trade_nerf/

[lethal kayak]

What a mute point. The game went from one broken trading side of the spectrum.... to a broken non-trading side of it... and it's not meant to be played like that? Oh... my bad... forgot we get regular full wipes...30k's... and the lot. This is alpha... we are testing mechanics...finding bugs... etc... not trying to run a baseless economy that gets wiped ...because....you know... the game is broken and that's the only "solution"

[ornate rock]

we are testing mechanics
I think HDMS Bezdek has seen enough testing now

[pallid temple]

[errant cradle]

[hollow sedge]

I think we were totally spoiled by Lara routes yes

[pallid temple]

You think?

[hollow sedge]

but I think that trading could still be better

[pallid temple]

No we were

[hollow sedge]

i haven't tried trading since that fateful night
but it seems like it's not even comparable to mining anymore?

in terms of the money you're pulling in

[ornate rock]

trading always has been one of the best paying activities, that might have shifted since introduction of quant and the borked missions in 3.9, but it is still good

especially for an activity that allows you to mostly be semi afk

[celest oracle]

The core problem is that you have no tool to tell if what you buy is worth buying at all, I don't mind the trading being like after the fix, but it makes no sense for things to jus tbe random for the sake of it

[broken harness]

@lethal kayak maybe everyone should just start with 5 million credits and all ships in-game were free and delivery missions would reward 500,000 per package and ammo was unlimited because that's totally fun

[ornate rock]

things aren't random for the sake of it, just cause you don't know the trade routes doesn't mean they are random

how do you think trading worked before the bug?

[lethal kayak]

Maybe you should pull your head out of your ass and realize that nothing you do in this game will qualify you as anything more than a TESTER... because that's ALL WE ARE.... everything will be wiped... multiple times... all progress lost... multiple times... and talking about oh noo... 5MIL credits and ships! ... How on earth are they going to find if 20x 890J's will crash the server or not? How are they going to find mechanics that break it? By making it impossible and hard to grind for money in an ALPHA stage game?
peace out.

[celest oracle]

You can know the routes but at any moment the sell price can change. It's okay to expect it to fluctuate, but you can't even know the current value without having something to sell in your ship. So you can't even evaluate if it's worth filling your ship or not

[ornate rock]

fixing the trade bug must've crashed the salt prices, the markets are currently flooded

@celest oracle that was always the case though, not saying it is great or how it should be ultimately, but people were able to deal with it an make good money from it.
just doing the same route over and over and over again, and making the best money possible, shouldn't be the way either

[broken harness]

@lethal kayak PTU

[ornate rock]

learning good routes should be an integral part of trading, imho 3rd party apps like gallog should not be (a necessary) part of the final version of trading

right now they are ofc mandatory, as are tools like erkul for combat, cause the game doesn't present either data to you

[lethal kayak]

@ornate rock Quanta Trading will be dynamic... so there will be no "static" routes ... minus the mining/refinery "points" ...

[ornate rock]

I imagine that there will also be fixed price contracts for commodities

so that a certain company will guarantee you payment for a certain amount

[lethal kayak]

I imagine there will be more ''depth'' to resources... as in alloy-compounds (refineries) with different needs being brought up and different times... as for the fixed price...yes.. for a limited time (so dynamic)

[ornate rock]

sure, as missions, giving you usually less payout, but a certain safety that they will purchase from you no matter what and also adding reputation for fulfilling the contract

[lean wedge]

So, can I hand-mine in space?

[ornate rock]

I think some of the rocks in the belts have hand mineables

but near impossible to find them without a mining ship...

in 3.9

and when I was in a mining ship I never bothered with hand mineables tbh

[lean wedge]

unfortunate

I prefer hand mining to ship, and i need something to do while trading is screwed

[obtuse sundial]

Quick mining question. When planet mining, are the rock spawn areas completely random or do you get better spawns around the mining stations on the moon?

[pallid temple]

Completely random

[obtuse sundial]

TY for the quick reply 🙂

[lean wedge]

Anyone know if they reverted trading to how it worked two days ago, yet?

[turbid plinth]

No

They fixed trading. The nerfed version is what it always was. A bug gave us infinite supply

For a month

[haughty river]

good summary

[lean wedge]

It wasn't infinite. just a lot bigger

[urban ledge]

Can they bump up those rookie numbers a bit lol

[turbid plinth]

Now laranite @PO is dead as fuck holy damn

[lean wedge]

almost not worth it with 30k

[turbid plinth]

Selling at cost

🤣

[urban ledge]

Everything is dead, well Atleast all the things I’ve tried lol

[turbid plinth]

You can still make 100k with a cat

But gotta be a cat or carrack

[lean wedge]

way to screw your economy

There's almost no money in anything else

[urban ledge]

But selling what

[turbid plinth]

Titanium

[lean wedge]

I almost want to install Elite so I can at least make money through combat

[urban ledge]

See I tried buying titanium at tram, but it only let me buy a couple. The only thing so far I’ve been able to load up a cat with is diamonds lol

[turbid plinth]

Arial

Titanium and diamonds are still alright

A quarter of laranite but what’re you gonna do

[urban ledge]

I’ll check out tram again see what’s popping, hopefully this fix made it less popular

[lean wedge]

Laranite at Tram is in triple digits

Also, there's still someone there shooting traders

Even with a bad economy, Tram's still gotta Tram

[urban ledge]

So far I’ve been lucky and haven’t been shot down with full cargo lol

[lean wedge]

Guy in building

[urban ledge]

See I’ve been shot at, but always made the escape lol

Even from people on foot lol

[lean wedge]

Guy wasn't shooting. Figured he wanted me to buy cargo, first

Or just wanted to give me that idea

Anyway, headed to Arial. What's profitable at Hurston atm?

That isn't Laranite

[quartz laurel]

So the other night I was mining in my prospector at Grim HEX asteroid belt. I stumbled upon a Type P rock which had 100 % aluminium & 100% Quantanium. I haven't mined since 3.8 so thought I would give it a go and I didn't know what this new resource was I mined it like any other...

I still couldn't believe that I found a rock that has 2 types of materials with 100% each.... So I broke the rock into pieces and it have several more chunks of 100% Quantanium and aluminium, which I again broke down and scoped up. I filled my prospector 80~% full of Quantanium and the other 20 % was aluminium all 100%, no intert materials.

I quickly flew back to Grim Hex to check out what i've made, and on the terminal it still showed the full Quantanium mined and no inert materials, however the total $$$ earned was less than 7K, which I found really odd.... I then jumped on the forums and mining guides to learn that this is the most expensive resource available.... I couldn't believe what just happened and I failed to record it with nVidia shadow play, even didn't think of taking a screenshot at the time. Any idea's what happened?

[proven token]

If a rock gliches and has more then 100% it like, subtracts resources from your ship

Its very weird

[quartz laurel]

At the time the prospector mining cargo was empty, new ship spawn from Grim HEX.

that was the first rock I scanned and came across approx 22km out from grim hex

[proven token]

Yea, but since you were mining that weird rock it gliches

I've seen it too

[quartz laurel]

Is that a known bug card already raised?

Note this is in Live 3.9.1 not PTU

[proven token]

I would assume so

I havent checked

[quartz laurel]

It's really weird that the terminal would also show the 80% Quantanium in the prospector cargo for sale though.

But it must be doing something else right when the market value payout was minuscule.

[lean wedge]

Anyone else not able to buy anything at Shubin Mining Facility SMCa-8 on Calliope?

[subtle comet]

what up

does anyone know where I can sell slam

[urban ledge]

cru5 you should

but itll probably take forever

[subtle comet]

it's taking ages

[devout ibex]

if any1 needs someone to mine in their mole lmk

[lethal kayak]

can someone tell me what the Diamond icon means on an asteroid that's mineable?

[pallid temple]

@lethal kayak Its a rock you can mine with the Greycat ROC

[lethal kayak]

hmm... well this is an asteroid so good luck with that 😄

also 5k mass....

[pallid temple]

Actually

Hmm

[lethal kayak]

was hoping there's position based laser mining for splits

[pallid temple]

As in a diamond in space?

That's wizard

[ornate rock]

it's a hand mineable

[pallid temple]

You'd need multiple people with hand mining tools to break that

[ornate rock]

no

they are tiny chunks of high quality ore sticking out of the asteroids afaik

still not enough value to EVA and gather them

[pallid temple]

Ah that's right

Yeah there's no value in getting those

[ornate rock]

might be fun to do some EVA mining though, something different

[lean heart]

best material to trade?

[lethal kayak]

So just found a 500.000 - 1mil uec quant cluster.. and i'm in a potatoe Prospector... bahh

I'd need 3 Moles for this job!

[ashen epoch]

when they do the push pull mechanics i think 3.11? or is it in 10? but thinking the concept those get rid of 300 boxes of drugs missions well have the cart what ever load up 20 ro 10 boxes on cart move it up elevator thenload it into cargo. repeat. then add to medical play oh push pull 200 lb ok then high grave planet doing same suddenly your legs get injury type stuff bam medical play.

or even smaller scale collect the biowaste in 3 locations or scrap.

please ignore the mis post as i hide under rock X.X

[blissful rain]

This is eye watering . very knowledgable and even if someone is not into gaming and star citizen as a game, the amount of info about economy, probability and how to customize and achieve dynamic sandbox is breathtaking.

I am amazed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8VFw1F-olQ&list=WL&index=3&t=0s

[slate crane]

where can i now sell the ores i mined?

[pallid temple]

At a station with a refinery panel

Some examples are GrimHEX, Port Olisar

[slate crane]

ty

and which moons are recommended with a rented prospector?

[lethal kayak]

Yela?

[pallid temple]

There's not really much you can get with a rented prospector

But Yela's a good one

[slate crane]

yeah, but how to gather the money to buy one

with the nerfed trading income

[lethal kayak]

It'ts less than 100k per rent

per day.... like 70k i believe? maybe less

that's like 15 covalex box deliveries

when you're ready and u have time ...and watch a few videos on how to mine... u go for it

and u can make 200-300k

now u can also hack your way into having a better laser on the prospector (100k laser)... by equiping it in the hangar

[pallid temple]

Renting a Prospector is 41thousand per day

[lethal kayak]

with that combo and some luck.. a single run pays for the prospector

[slate crane]

well, then that contradicts @pallid temple so i can still make some spare change in the prospector

[turbid plinth]

dont fly a rented pros unless you buy the helix too

mining is alr a luck game. When you fly with the stock laser that cant break 70% of the rocks you're just shooting yourself in the foot

[slate crane]

and the hangar trick still working?

[turbid plinth]

yea

if you 30k or otherwise have to reclaim a rental pros, go to your hangar and unequip the helix

or you might lose it when you reclaim

[slate crane]

ouch

ty

[quartz laurel]

41k to rent a prospector for a day, wow that's way too cheap.

[hollow sedge]

is that price the same for 3.10?

didn't know it was that good

[pallid temple]

Yeah

[hollow sedge]

that's cool

makes it pretty feasible to go from nothing to some decent money

since mining is the current most profitable business afaik
beyond high-volume trading which doesn't make as much anymore anyway

[odd nacelle]

Does it feel like refresh rates are undertuned?

Most pages list x refresh per minute

but it feels more like per 10 minutes

[faint basalt]

best planet/moon to mine on with a rented prospector

[foggy nacelle]

how do i tell what this bale of grass i found is

[haughty river]

@foggy nacelle you can probably find what each thing looks like here

https://starcitizen.tools/Drugs

[celest oracle]

How's trading going after the fix? Still impossible to sell or it got better?

[golden gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-steve-carell-laugh-good-one-banana-gif-4958026

[foggy nacelle]

Ahh thanks @haughty river . I think it was an SCU of E'Tam. I couldn't figure it out and I was tired so I ended up logging off lol. I probably would have just gotten fined anyway cause I had to dock at Port Olisar.

[haughty river]

yeah i found that page back when i found a box of neon the first time. i was like, wtf is this thing of little happy pills? lol

[near flower]

can someone teach me how to do cargo runs? I have spent the past 5 hrs going thru all the trading posts, and none of them are selling more than 2 units, other than scrap and wastes

are we sure that the current trading gameloop isnt bugged?

cuz what I found wouldnt make any sense at all

[lethal kayak]

It was #fixed into this state couple days go. Give up on trading

[urban ledge]

Yeah they patched the bug I believe on Friday, and now the trading posts are back to normal .

[lean heart]

The new best trade lap?

[golden gyro]

The new best trade lap?
@lean heart mining

[lean heart]

Where?

[golden gyro]

Anywhere. Trading is borked atm.

[vast summit]

I havent been having problems, but im not running Lara or Agricium. Astetine and medical supplies are my breadwinner.

Meds from Crusader to Lorville, Astetine from Ita to A18, Astetine from Wala/Lyria to NB, havebt figured out what to haul from MicroTech back to crusader yet.

The large loop gives resources time to build back up.

[naive maple]

Meds from Crusader to Lorville, Astetine from Ita to A18, Astetine from Wala/Lyria to NB, havebt figured out what to haul from MicroTech back to crusader yet.
@vast summit nice! Way to get creative!!

[vast summit]

Helps i got sick of running the same short routes over and over again.

[slim relic]

yo where are the good places to mine?

yo lukas theres some good lara posts on wala as a heads up

[near flower]

@slim relic you can mine in yela

[hollow sedge]

which mining head is best with the 20k wipe budget

[proven token]

hopefully the ROC is actually worth using, because right now its profits vs (time)work is not even remotely close to being worth doing

[iron flicker]

Looks ROC not drivable in Live?

[pallid temple]

Its not

I can't spawn it

[hollow sedge]

Bruh

So is trading in the same spot as late 3.9 rn

Will confess to hoping 3.10 would give it a small buff
Not nearly to the way it was before obv

[pallid temple]

No

Trading has been fixed