industrial-professions

[naive maple]

https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/hhhyxk/are_you_tired_or_30s_ruining_your_trading_fear_no/
@real vessel So is this working?... any word yet?

[real vessel]

@naive maple No one has responded yet. I plan to try it this evening. I think it would be best if a large group of us attempted it

to increase the sample size

[ebon cedar]

The thing about landing is true. got a 30k yesterday 5s after landing on PO, ship was stored despite not being physically stored when 30k hit (could still see it)

[naive maple]

I'm gonna log in and try it now

[ebon cedar]

Kinda annoying to log out each session start but if it works wow

[real vessel]

agreed, but easily less annoying than lost investments

[ebon cedar]

So to clarify, all this thing is about "anchoring" your spawn to the bed (and not a station like usual) because the hanger trick allows you then, in a way, to save cargo. If you start any session on your ship bed and don't get stored anywhere, you're safe ! I understand it like that. sounds possible

Like a "bind point". I was thinking the bind is created on landing, but it looks it's when you get stored more exactly. Gonna test it IF the other terrible bug (claim bug) it letting me play tonight...

It's also solving client-crash issues when you can't join again same server

[real vessel]

@ebon cedar I think that is the intent but honestly, I wasnt quite sure based on how the post was written. It does seem promising that their Org was able to replicate it several times

[ebon cedar]

Yeah. I think I saw just one negative comment of a dude unable to do the hangar step.

[real vessel]

Same, and if memory serves there was some explanation for why they were not able to complete hangar step

[ebon cedar]

Gonna try from now and see. 30k lost me cargo one time only so far.

[real vessel]

Good luck, please let @naive maple and I know how it goes. Cheers!

[naive maple]

mid - experiment now... when i logged back in to the server from bed logging, i was in the middle of the stanton sun... hope that doesnt effect it... also, now that i have sold at Lorville, do i need to relog in bed once leaving the planet to reset entrance point to the bed not Lorville?

[ebon cedar]

From what I've understood no unless your ship get stored at one point during trade runs.

Which can happens quite easily at Lorville...

[zinc lynx]

@ebon cedar on your "bind" spot experiment. Some information you may find helpful.

My friend and I always simply call a r&r arout an area to set our spawn point in case we die, as we like future ghost combat missions and sometimes we can be an hour into missions and respawn back at crusader.

It seems like the comms call sets our spawn point so it may have something to do with your "bind" for when you would land but not store your ship.

No idea if it helps you guys as traders or not, but just something I as a dogfighter have used for convenience

We have also just simply lain in the bed on a ship and found ourselves loading into it next session

[naive maple]

From what I've understood no unless your ship get stored at one point during trade runs.
@ebon cedar oh crap that happens to me 100% of the time!

[lofty dirge]

Oh shit

https://discordapp.com/channels/82210263440306176/572706150286622720/727250955304960120

@naive maple

Apparently it works

But you need to do it once per session

So if u join a new game, repeat process.

[rose rain]

I am in the process of trying this. I logged out and on my attempt to log in, I’m stuck at the loading screen. LOL. It timed out and it dumped me back to the main menu

It logged me in and now I’m floating in space with no ship.

[naive maple]

Well I ALMOST got severely screwed testing this!... So, make sure you have a Hangar Big Enough!!!

[lofty dirge]

F

Which hangar fits the cat?

[naive maple]

My only pledge ship is a 315p so when the 30k hit and I tried to spawn my in-game purchased Caterpillar in the SelfLand or AeroView Hangars... NO GO

[lofty dirge]

oof

It doesn't seem to fit in any hangar?

What size even is the cat?

Doesn't look to be 4, or 3.

[naive maple]

So, resigned and logged into the Verse, yep woke in the bed in Lorville... just luckily I had JUST boarded the Train to sell my full load of Laranite when the 30k hit... my ship wasn’t stored but early Christmas, cargo was still there!

Not a 3

[lofty dirge]

Was still there when you loaded in hangar?

[naive maple]

3 was Freelancer (loaner) and the AeroView could fit it

[lofty dirge]

What about the cat?

Also, do i have to claim it first, before i go into the hangar?

[naive maple]

Caterpillar could NOT be spawned in my small Hanger

[rose rain]

Ugh. Logged out in my freelancer. Logged back in and I’m at Hurston with no money and a destroyed freelancer

[lofty dirge]

LOL

Ok i can't fit the cat in any fucking hangar?

[ebon cedar]

Ugh. Logged out in my freelancer. Logged back in and I’m at Hurston with no money and a destroyed freelancer
@rose rain No money ? You're not supposed to logout with cargo

[rose rain]

I’m curious, I just bought the game a couple weeks ago and I have a freelancer in my vehicle list. I’m assuming it’s a loaner?

[lofty dirge]

no

perma

[naive maple]

So, remember that your Hangar size is determined by your Pledge ship and NOT affected by your “In-Game aUEC purchased ships”

[lofty dirge]

oh

errr

[rose rain]

@ebon cedar good to know lol

[ebon cedar]

Yeah good feedback.

[lofty dirge]

That's fucking dumb

urmmmmmm

help

Ok so basically, i can't fit my cat.

GG

[kind yoke]

i only pledge via ccu to a bmm

but the bmm only "includes" a self land due to the original ship being a small ass ship

do i also get the York Hanger for my loaner cat now?

better question am i supposed to hv the York?

[naive maple]

@kind yoke you are "supposed" to have the Hangar that can fit the Banu Merchantman, so that should fit a Caterpillar!

[azure ginkgo]

How do I find surface minables?

[proven token]

you need a prospector or mole

you scan while flying around yela

or some moon

hand minables you can use the investigation missions to find caves

they have minables in them

[kind yoke]

@kind yoke you are "supposed" to have the Hangar that can fit the Banu Merchantman, so that should fit a Caterpillar!
@naive maple thx looks like i need to check with support to see why i dun hv the york

[ashen epoch]

on the grin roc thing the land miner how much is it going to be in game when patch comes out?

and can it fit in a freelancer XD

[woeful gazelle]

it probably won't be available for UEC for a while and yes, it's supposed to fit inside freelancers, cutlasses and valkyries

[blissful rain]

cargo trading is way faster then mining

[woeful gazelle]

define "way faster"

as I've shown in my spreadsheet - mining can net you 200k per hour on average. it does fluctuate a lot more, however you also don't have the risks of losing big chunks of money. also, no competition that could buy out the stuff you're trying to trade. I've never seen PvP players camp mining spots either, because it's pretty much impossible.
with all that I'd say it's hard to get much higher than 200k / h in trading on average. and the initial investment with a Prospector is less than half that of a Caterpillar (UEC prices, I don't know the $ prices)
also I find the gameplay more interesting but I guess that's a preference.

[lofty crest]

i really hope that SC can do something different with trading usually its A-B and so on. My hope is they separate the roles more so you have cargo haulers who lug large amounts of cargo for small margins or payments and then traders who work with more specialised good in an economy that is "alive" so to speak. Or even different kinds of hauling from, long to short with different pro's n cons for all.

[woeful gazelle]

cargo misions would be interesting tbh

[lofty crest]

that alive economy would then have a knock on effect for stuff like mining wether you refine your materials or do you simply just sell the raw

i think as someone who goes towards trade allot in games if they can create it to be a dynamic experience it will have a knock on effect on the verse and how one chooses to play

[odd hinge]

we will get stuff like cargo missions

large haulers are gonna be a thing

but we are also gonna get a fluid economy

so repeatedly buying laranite at an outpost will drive the price up

and repeatedly selling it at lorville will drive the price they buy for down

so if you run a route for too long, the profits will go and drop

[lofty crest]

thats my hope

[odd hinge]

I believe it's confirmed they're going to make that

[lofty crest]

and then you can take player jobs from traders to haul cargo across the verse

they have refinery and cargo decks in the works

[odd hinge]

Also going to get jobs form npc's

the cargo decks are most likely gonna give missions as well

And larger ships will also be able to go and do interesting cargo types

like the hull ships have pictures of them literally shipping small ships on them

[lofty crest]

i wonder if Hull series will be able to land on planet like the cargo would be too much?

[odd hinge]

no, only the hull A and possibly the Hull B ships will be able to land when fully loaded

all the others will be too heavy with cargo

empty they can go and land though i believe

[lofty crest]

makes the cat still viable then

if large hulls can only go station to station then smaller cargo ships will still have a place

[odd hinge]

yeah

the hull B is going to still be able to land on a planet with cargo

and it's size is close to the cat

but everything above is going to be locked to docking to stations with cargo

[lofty crest]

we say all this and they might just say fuck it fixed economy

[odd hinge]

nah

don't think they'll make that compromise

[real vessel]

There is so much "planned" for this game that I have to think we are still years out from a lot of this. I figure that launch version will still be missing a lot of the planned content

but I think that is just fine, honestly

stability and more variety of play loops would go a long way for most folks

[lofty crest]

stability is all i want tbh

literally just stability and bug fixes the game has contentish

[real vessel]

@naive maple and @ebon cedar, I didn't have a 30k yesterday but I did have a crash and used the hangar method to pull my Freelancer back to hangar and it seemed to have the cargo still in it. I will log back in this evening to confirm.

@lofty crest with you there

[lofty crest]

with me?

[odd hinge]

Owh yeah, the game is defo years out from being launched

[real vessel]

@lofty crest I was just agreeing with your statement.

[lofty crest]

ah yes i see, sorry brain is dead today

[real vessel]

I was confusing, no worries.

[blissful rain]

as I've shown in my spreadsheet - mining can net you 200k per hour on average. it does fluctuate a lot more, however you also don't have the risks of losing big chunks of money. also, no competition that could buy out the stuff you're trying to trade. I've never seen PvP players camp mining spots either, because it's pretty much impossible.
with all that I'd say it's hard to get much higher than 200k / h in trading on average. and the initial investment with a Prospector is less than half that of a Caterpillar (UEC prices, I don't know the $ prices)
also I find the gameplay more interesting but I guess that's a preference.
@woeful gazelle

i can earn 450k per hour trading cargo and that aint the most profitable item either

[woeful gazelle]

well I "can" earn 500k / h, too, but is that constant for you?
I'm averaging the good runs and the bad runs and even the crashes where I waste half an hour to earn nothing.

[blissful rain]

640k u can on trading

if not more

again, what i said was not the most profitable item

no doubt trading yields more money per hour at a constistant basis

the only thing u need to worry about is 30k's

maybe some pirates but pirates can blow your tiny prospector away vs my cat

or carrack

[lofty dirge]

I make like 1.2m/Hour

But i think theres another route with like 3m/hour

[woeful gazelle]

that seems ... exaggerated

[lofty dirge]

@woeful gazelle lmao what

wonna come with?

[woeful gazelle]

if you can make a video I'd like to see that

[lofty dirge]

video?

[woeful gazelle]

working atm, so no time to log in

[lofty dirge]

Ask in #star-citizen

They'll prolly tell you about it

[naive maple]

But i think theres another route with like 3m/hour
@lofty dirge no such thing, sorry

[lofty dirge]

lmao

bruh

wonna bet?

[naive maple]

Even server hopping selling drugs will not make that

[lofty dirge]

drugs?

server hopping?

no ssir

[woeful gazelle]

so what's your route then if you're so confident in it
I'd even take 1.5m/h

[lofty dirge]

Get 2 friends

And do the 1.2m/hr route

[woeful gazelle]

which is?

[lofty dirge]

Pretty sure you already know

[woeful gazelle]

I don't do trading, so no, I don't

and how would 2 friends help you?

[lofty dirge]

i'm not explaining the fundamentals of star citizen lmao

[woeful gazelle]

right. of course that makes me believe you more.

[naive maple]

Hahaha

[lofty dirge]

and how would 2 friends help you?

Let me convince you how 2 friends help me

[regal notch]

3 caterpillars or ... but it counts more what you can do alone unless your friends don't care to be paid lel

[woeful gazelle]

exactly. if you have 3 people then you're only making a third of the money is how I see it

[lofty dirge]

By yourself

1 Cat, max qt drive

6 runs, if you do them 10 mins each, without shit like no items on trading consoles

Then you're solid

2.22 Mil / Hour

[vocal prairie]

It's more like 20 minutes per run on average.

[lofty dirge]

Not to lorville

[vocal prairie]

But still quite a bit of cash.

[lofty dirge]

Yeah 1.4m invest

[vocal prairie]

Between landing, yes it is.

[lofty dirge]

No i mean

Im not using the lorville route

going elsewhere to sell

[vocal prairie]

Ah ok.

[lofty dirge]

it's around a 3 Min 30 QT

Landing at PO, i'd say max 10 mins

Someone suggested it earlier, and it was fricken genuis.

[woeful gazelle]

so the route is Laranite from Ariel to Port Olisar?

[lofty dirge]

@woeful gazelle So now do you believe me?

[woeful gazelle]

sounds like a good route; however I like to test stuff out myself before I believe that it will actually be that fast and that much money

[ebon cedar]

@naive maple and @ebon cedar, I didn't have a 30k yesterday but I did have a crash and used the hangar method to pull my Freelancer back to hangar and it seemed to have the cargo still in it. I will log back in this evening to confirm.
@real vessel Perfect

[lofty dirge]

@woeful gazelle 3 Mins from arial to port olisar

• Landing time on arial + landing time on PO

I'd say 10 mins

Welp, i'm going to try it out now. Will report back.

[woeful gazelle]

please do. and stop the time if you will 🙂

[odd nacelle]

Can anyone explain why TDD New Bab isn't buying my agri supplies? :(

Same thing happened at Lorville Xfers

Not even showing up as an accepted good

[pseudo wave]

Does it show your ship but can't select it? Cause that's what's happening to me at New Bab

[odd nacelle]

Shows my ship, and is selectable

even shows the cargo hold as full

I swear both Lorville CBD and New Bab TDD buy Argi Supplies...

[pseudo wave]

It should

[odd nacelle]

Yeah, it's not showing up at all

Usually, if shop inventory is full, you can see it as accepted, but it'll fail to sell

I'm not even seeing it as accepted

[pseudo wave]

The console at New Bab is glitched for me

[odd nacelle]

I'm going to land again

see if that fixes it

[pseudo wave]

I'm afraid to move to another port because I was mere minutes away before my quantainium erupted

[lofty dirge]

F

[woeful gazelle]

are you at the right console for mining ores?

[pseudo wave]

It says refinery on it

[odd nacelle]

Someone else in my instance can't buy anything from drug labs

again, nothing showing up in the list

So I think my instance is just fucked

Going to try another server region

[pseudo wave]

I just server hopped in hopes it fixes...it didn't

[woeful gazelle]

did you check the ship terminal? maybe it exploded while you didn't look

[pseudo wave]

Oh dear god I hope not

I mean, it still shows the SCU in the cargo but I'll look

[odd nacelle]

I mean, the timer keeps going even once you land

so that's possible

[woeful gazelle]

should stop if he stored the ship

[odd nacelle]

Oh does it?

I thought it kept ticking

[pseudo wave]

Yeah, the indicator was orange when I landed

I hope it didn't explode, spent so much time mining that quantainium

[woeful gazelle]

did you manually store your ship?

or spawn another one?

[pseudo wave]

I just came off and tried to get to the consoles as fast as I could

[woeful gazelle]

yeah I believe I have bad news for you

[pseudo wave]

I don't even know how to manually store other than waiting till they do it for you

[woeful gazelle]

you go to the ship terminal and select the store button - or spawn another ship which will make the current one despawn if it's on the same station's landing pads/hangars

[odd nacelle]

instance hopping solved my issue

I think that particular instance was just bugged out

[woeful gazelle]

since usually the ship terminal is much closer than the refinery terminal

except in P.O., there it doesn't matter

[odd nacelle]

I hope for the PO redesign, they just add elevators to get between the struts

[pseudo wave]

Yep, it says destroyed

[odd nacelle]

RIP

Sorry dude

[pseudo wave]

Spent 30 minutes mining a full cargo of quantainium

[woeful gazelle]

mining quantainium you should break all rocks first, then pick up all Q at once, then fly to base immediately

[pseudo wave]

I did, it's just that my laser was weak as hell

[woeful gazelle]

but that doesn't matter

since you don't pick up Q before you pick up everything right after another

[pseudo wave]

That's what took forever; I found a shitload of rocks that contained Q's over 10%

[woeful gazelle]

then break them all first

[pseudo wave]

Honestly, even if I did attempt to store my ship, I had at least two minutes before boom boom

[lofty dirge]

@woeful gazelle around 9 mins 30

Timed

[woeful gazelle]

how much profit?

[lofty dirge]

Same as always

370k

[woeful gazelle]

that calculates to 2.3mil per hour if nothing goes wrong

[lofty dirge]

Yessir

Believe me now? @woeful gazelle lol

[real vessel]

Is this what you are talking about @lofty dirge ?

Arial > PO, full cat of Laranite

[woeful gazelle]

yes, I believe it is

the problem I have with this is: if one of those 6 runs per hour gets borked through 30k, a crash or a griefer, that's a LOT less than 2.3 mil per hour in the end

[real vessel]

will have to try that tonight. got sick of landing in Lorville

and running around there.

[woeful gazelle]

Lorville is my most hated place for a reason

[real vessel]

word

i just want to work up to a Cat and get better a flying while doing it. The Lorville area seems really cool for future content but it isnt where i am interseted right now

Arial to a port is a much better proposition for me

and while it is not a high of a profit margin, it is a much faster run and should net more

[lofty dirge]

@woeful gazelle Hence why i switch servers after 2 runs

So in reality, 1 Hr + 20 Mins maybe?

still very good for 2.3m

9 Mins 30 Seconds per run, being speedy mcgee

[naive maple]

will have to try that tonight. got sick of landing in Lorville
@real vessel I will try this tonight as well... the one benefit of Lorville is you can’t build up padrammer speeds like the pieces of shit that camp PO damned near daily

[woeful gazelle]

wait, there are still padrammers?

haven't seen one in ages

[lofty dirge]

^

Likewise

Not came across one in months

[naive maple]

Lost a full load of mixed Laranite and Titanium when I was running T&M to PO 8 minute ROUND TRIP runs for $161,000... that was the end of PO for me so I moved over to Ariel-Lorville after that

[real vessel]

@naive maple Brutal!

[lofty dirge]

yikkers

not good

[naive maple]

Although rather than padrammer, this asshole would just aim at the incoming Cat from his pad and max velocity into the Bridge with his Anvil Arrow

[lofty dirge]

You need to get the best QT drive with the cat

1.15 Mil in 3 runs

Each run is 9 mins

Fucking ez

[real vessel]

Need to get that Cat first!

[lofty dirge]

^^^

Yessir

[real vessel]

i am still working on freelancer. Most i can safely invest is 30k right now

[lofty dirge]

If you don't have a cat, go to tram and myers, you can fill up with Larante then sell at PO

[real vessel]

but im just getting started

[lofty dirge]

Yeah Tram and myers it is

On cellin

It's like a 4 minute trip

[real vessel]

ok interesting, will add that to the list

[lofty dirge]

Yeah

[real vessel]

why wuldnt a cat run that?

size restriction?

[lofty dirge]

nope

not unlimited stock

All the small frys use it so stock goes fast

Where as arial is unlimited, and takes around 6 minutes more

[real vessel]

gotcha

[lofty dirge]

It's not supposed to be unlimited, so, you know

[real vessel]

So do most folks just run Freelancer or equivalent till they can Cat up?

[lofty dirge]

yeah

[real vessel]

seems like a long slog there.

[lofty dirge]

Freelancer

[real vessel]

ok cool

im enjoying the experience of it

avoiding the trains will be a great relief for me

[lofty dirge]

^

Yessir

It's 10x faster

[naive maple]

The max Laranite sold at tram Myers is 150 SCU... só with a Cat...

[lofty dirge]

^

It's piss nothing with a cat

[naive maple]

this was my primary moneymaker... using my Caterpillar, filled with 150 SCU of Laranite and 410 SCU of Titanium from Tram and Myers to Port Olisar nets $141,000... then 5 SCU of Med Supplies back to Tram and Myers for another $20,000... this route takes 8 minutes making $161,000... this nets just over 1.2 million per hour, risking $666,000 while loaded with the Laranite and Titanium

[lofty dirge]

pretty good pretty good

seems like a lot of work tho

Would rather just do 1 straight shot

[naive maple]

It’s basically half the investment as well as half the return as the Ariel-Lorville run, but as such you are only risking $666,000 to 30k instead of $1,400,000 ... time wise, the same just double the trips

But as I said, padrammer scum and pirates galore

[real vessel]

with this new turret improvement, it makes me wonder if a meta will develop with crew for hire

to protect traders with share of profits

i think that would be interesting gameplay

[woeful gazelle]

tbh I doubt it before proper salvaging and "rewards" for piracy are in place

[lofty dirge]

Oof

I mean

I play on EU so idk

Never get any padrammers

Not seen 1 in months

[naive maple]

Yeah I’ve switched to playing EU and Aussie revers for that very reason, but the scum has figured it out and have been showing up on foreign servers as well now... during those servers AM hours anyhow... that’s when they are FULL of Cats trading

[lofty dirge]

lmao

[naive maple]

More stable servers, less future school shooters

[lofty dirge]

LOL

bruh

I mean I play like all day so idk

Imma go buy a racing ship for me and my friend probs

Nothing else to do in this game lol

[ashen epoch]

if going to buy ships for people ingame buy me a prospector XD when im actualy playing im usually mining then actual combat

oh wait that post was like back around noon derp xD

[lofty dirge]

so racing ships are 2 mil

I thought they're like 1 mil

[ashen epoch]

im still in aurora and free freelancer or temp free free lance rXD i get enough to rent a prospector but my hours to play usualy rental goes to waste XD or i dont make enough back but while playing the jetsons car i have fun XD

[misty furnace]

yea, really wish we could get 12 or 6 hr rentals...

i checked and most rental prices are 2% purchase cost, so 12hr rentals would be ~20k for propector...

if half cost... you should probably get a discount for renting for more time... so maybe 25k or so

[round walrus]

are the trade screens working yet?

[misty furnace]

like selling cargo? mostly... the main ones at levski don't work for me, but there's another set that do, and most elsewhere do... so long as you have some cargo to sell... ,can't sell personal inventory stuff except ore and harvestables for the most part

[blissful rain]

Arial > PO, full cat of Laranite
@real vessel what's the profit?

[ashen epoch]

or let the rentals be time played not constant time least starting out

one thing i hope planets have is like first time precedual generation like an area scouted spawns in a base or outpost type thing no mans sky like BUT once found it stays put or least a natural cave found from random cave stays put while base could randomly change. but none the crazy levels of generation that happens in nomans sky

[hallow flame]

What is the best trade route for a freelancer now ?

[misty furnace]

from new 3.10.0g patch notes: "- Increased scan range of medium gem deposits"

[naive maple]

@real vessel what's the profit?
@blissful rain $1,400,000 Investment nets $1,736,000 Sale ... so $336,000 profit... watch out for 30k's... or good bye $1.4 million aUEC

[finite wolf]

Has anyone ever had this glitch before the 1st pic shows my cargo intact still in the ship in my hanger, the second is the console

[turbid plinth]

@vocal prairie @cloud slate if you want to continue. tho i imagine we've said what there is to XD

[vocal prairie]

Yeah pretty much. Hehe. I'll go back to space trucking in the cat tomorrow.

And I figured this would've been the best place anyways instead of SC.

[echo parrot]

What's the fastest way to sell illegal cargo?

[woeful moss]

Land --> run to black market terminal --> sell

[dusky kernel]

XD

[woeful gazelle]

you forgot: wait --> sell --> wait --> sell --> wait [ad infinitum]

[odd hinge]

or sell --> server hop --> sell --> server hop --> sell (etc)

[echo parrot]

@woeful gazelle i actually wanted to ask wait time

@odd hinge don't you lose your cargo with that method?

[woeful gazelle]

it's about 5 minutes between trade refresh

[echo parrot]

So if server hopping work it's actually faster?

[odd hinge]

no

your ship should just be stored in the station if you log off, while it's on a landing pad

[echo parrot]

Cool, thanks

[pseudo wave]

I just made 171k in ~20 minutes from quantainium

[woeful gazelle]

nice, gj

my record run so far was exactly 20 minutes for 256k

[proven token]

Gotta get lucky with mining at the moment

[zinc lynx]

hmm, Reading that makes me wonder about hte future.

Would refining ships be able to refine quantanium? It'd make mining crews even better, because you don't have to worry about travel time, only ensuring you mine at a rate that you can refine, til you fill up your ship on refined quantanium (or a stable version of it or whatever... I doubt that we sell it to places just to have them explode it) to take that risk away and haul back MUCH more stuff.

[woeful gazelle]

I mean in theory it's quite odd that you can sell Q that's just literally seconds before exploding to a refinery and then it's magically fine. like they'd probably have to store it somewhere too where it could go boom.

[hollow sedge]

exactly

unless they had some kind of magic cooling pod to set it in lmfao

[woeful gazelle]

but why don't we have cooling in the mining ships then?

[hollow sedge]

hopefully they add something like that in the future

some kind of system to make the mineral non-volatile

like how the Coaxium from Star Wars wouldnt blow up if it was in a tube 😂

[misty furnace]

omg, toobs! why didn't we think of that?!

seems like prime real estate to make the mole relevant...

[modest marlin]

My cargovshowd up in the trade terminal but is not physically in my ship is this something I need to wait for or can I take off?

Still fairly new so I'd love to not lose cargo by doing something dumb

[pallid temple]

As long as the terminal says the cargo is in your ship you're good @modest marlin

[real vessel]

^

[modest marlin]

It wasn't good

Quick update

Not completely zeroed out on funds but a healthy chunk of my money gone

I'll be fine

[pallid temple]

30k'd?

[modest marlin]

No took off flewbto desto no cargo

It's alright. Like I said not entirely drained of funds

Alpha game and what not

[real vessel]

try another trade console?

[strong ember]

Is something bugged with the 315p?

[strong kayak]

Anyone mind walking me through mining?

[woeful gazelle]

search for the ultimate mining guide, it's okay for basic stuff

[misty furnace]

https://space4games.com/en/games-en/star-citizen-mining/

the chart at the bottom's particularly useful, but if you're renting don't bother paying attention to the the "ignore if less than 20%"... rental's going to focus mostly on copper/gold/titanium/diamond ... maybe some laranite/agricium if you're lucky... anything better you're probably wasting time on a rock that'll either never break or will take 20 minutes when you could have run 2 lower grade loads and been ahead

[native quarry]

Personally I think the rental should come with a better head

Can’t make shit with the basic one

[misty furnace]

idk... i made ~300k with my first rental, minus fees

could stand to at least let you pay to upgrade it in game w/o shelling out $155 real money.

[woeful moss]

They should have different rental tiers. Like tier 0 you get cheap equipment and tiere 1 medium

[arctic blaze]

get to trading drugs as long as you have the free freelancer

that ship is made for drug dealing

[woeful moss]

And here I thought the cutlass was more for the dark side of business

[odd hinge]

cutlass would be more appropriate for it than the freelancer, due to it's smaller size tbh

best ships for vice running are probably the ones at around 10~20 SCU though

as you never want much more than that with you, due to how much it costs, and how little locations buy

[arctic blaze]

the more it costs the more the profit

the cutlass is also great for drud dealing, actually even better sinc eu aint gonna fill up 66 scu unles u wanna wait for the refresh exposing urself to the 30k even more

what matters is the qt tier 2 that are the fastest

which the cutlass also has

[odd hinge]

Yeah true

Allthoug it depends on how you go

as some people prefer a 315, due to it being able to be retrofitted to being stealthy

so you can run a few SCU, which you should be able to sell decently quick

and can get it to a point where it's hard to detect

making you a bit safer from enemy players

[arctic blaze]

you need 40 scu in the best of cases

u can fill up to 2k units of neon and etam

a freelancer given thats is free, or a cutlass are way better

[odd hinge]

Really depends like i said

as a lot of people prefer more stealthy ships when running vice atm

which makes the 315p more viable. And that one still has like 12 SCU i think

[arctic blaze]

the qt 1 of the 315 also aint great for someone who constantly travers from a planet system to another

too many refuel stops

[kind yoke]

watchout for eclipse camping near jump town or orphange

[odd hinge]

20 SCU would be the sweet spot tbh, as that would allow you to carry 1000 units of 2 vice types at the same time

But 40 SCU is a lot of money depending on what you run

And you are not gonna have a fun time when you get blown up by an eclipse when you have that in your freelancer or cuttie black

I'm personally gonna retrofit my 315p to be stealth atleast

So people don't even really realize you're there

It's nice though. As from the Origin 300 series, the 315 has the largest cargo capacity, and can be easily retrofitted to be stealthy 😄

[kind yoke]

mirage ?

or just turn off all stuff

[odd hinge]

lemme look it up

as with stealth components it tends to be that, the better the quality, the stealthier they are

https://www.erkul.games/calculator;loadout=Uxgy0ONg

this should be one of the more stealthy builds possible

[arctic blaze]

when u have a freelancer for free no point in using the 315 at all tbh

for trading that is

[odd hinge]

For normal trading it has no use to use the 315 then no

but for vice trading there is

[arctic blaze]

why

[odd hinge]

as you can make it a lot stealthier than you can make the freelancer

[arctic blaze]

the freelancer does it better

its faster

u can mount a xl 1 on it

or a crossfield

[odd hinge]

It's way less steahlthy though

[arctic blaze]

u dont need it to be stealthy

whos gonna flank you up anyway

[odd hinge]

There are a lot of trolls out there

[arctic blaze]

a full cargo of freelancer of drugs can take up 550k at best

[odd hinge]

just camping spots like the druglabs etc

[arctic blaze]

you wanna go paradise anyway

unmarked

rare to none quests there

the issue might be orinth

but still extremaly rare to have someone camping

in hundreds of hours i only had one guy killing me fps on orinth

there really inst any reward for doing that

when and if they ll add some sort of cargo stealing will be another story

as for now its as safe as it can get

[odd hinge]

I mean, do what you like. But i atleast just prefer a stealth ship for running vice

[arctic blaze]

yeah makes sense

[odd hinge]

As some players will just camp at the unmarked location, only to blow up players who are running vice, just for fun

[arctic blaze]

its just that my view of the trading is spend as much as u can to gain as much profit

risks are involved by without risks ur not gonna make money in a what i consider to be reasonable time

not in sc

[odd hinge]

I mean, that is an option yeah

To be honest

[arctic blaze]

i have an mustang starter

[odd hinge]

the biggest issue with running Vice, is how long it takes to get rid of larger amounts

[arctic blaze]

now i got every ship purchasable

i went down the road there

[odd hinge]

But if they possibly nerf laranite for 3.10, vice might become the easiest money maker again

[arctic blaze]

lara is anyway way too busy

titanium is what one usually trades as it weights a lot and it has a fairly broken refresh

hardly gonna run out of it

[odd hinge]

Laranite really depends on the server

as i've had cases where i arrived, and there were already 3 caterpillars

[arctic blaze]

it used to be

[odd hinge]

and so many cases where there is just no one there

[arctic blaze]

now its global

[odd hinge]

also, laranite refreshes stupidly fast

[arctic blaze]

and after few minutes every tradin spot sellin lara will share

usually take up to 10 min max after a refresh happens

[odd hinge]

how do you mean?

[arctic blaze]

they made trading from region based to global

everyone gonna share

[odd hinge]

How do you mean everyone gonna share?

[arctic blaze]

but also made that after few minutes a particular trade spot has a material, it will share with any other trade spot also selling that material

[odd hinge]

I'm still not properly understanding what you're trying to say..

[arctic blaze]

so bezdek lathan and the one on lyria cant rfemenber the name

it means that someone from bezedek or a45 can steal ur laranite even if u are at lathan

[odd hinge]

Right now?

[arctic blaze]

yup

[odd hinge]

I doubt that, as all locations have their own stocks, and their own refresh rates

[arctic blaze]

yep that s how it used to be

after a certain time it goes into a pool shared by all trading spots

trading that material

[odd hinge]

Where did you get that from?

As i've never heard that before

[arctic blaze]

well im in a trading corp

[odd hinge]

And as far as i'm aware, all outposts have their own stock levels, and their own regen amounts

[arctic blaze]

spent thousands of hours

trading

i dont remember exatly where i heard that tbh

[odd hinge]

Might wanna double check that

[arctic blaze]

but it how it works almost surely

[odd hinge]

I doubt that.

As the game files themselves currently keep track of each store themselves atm. So what is being sold at which shop, and at which price. And how much that location/shop regenerates per minute

[arctic blaze]

yeah that doesnt matter

i mean after few minutes that rescource aint being bought

it will go into a pool

[odd hinge]

If you have a source i would love to read up on it

But like i said, this is the first time i've heard someone say that

[arctic blaze]

eh i dont

can ask on gallog tho

they surely know

raveir is a nice guy responds as he is on

[odd hinge]

I'm not gonna ask though 🤣

[arctic blaze]

its somewhat problematic to gain specific or advanced infos for trading into sc

but still and surely for someone whos just starting and doesnt have advanced ships, dealing drugs is the best option to gain money

[odd hinge]

Yeah

also the best way to lose all your money if you're dumb though

That's one mistake i once made

had like 80K credits, spent all on buying WiDoW

and then my ship blew up when i got catapulted into an astroid after leaving QT

[arctic blaze]

u cant sell widow anyway

[odd hinge]

I think at GrimHex

[arctic blaze]

unless u wana take ages on waiting

[odd hinge]

but only like 10 units a time 🤣

[arctic blaze]

but thats trading

it takes risk, mostly due to 30k

but also has the biggest profit in terms of time spoent

[odd hinge]

I think one of the CRU stations actually allows you to sell like 1K widow at once

for a decent price

think L5

[arctic blaze]

it was bugged back at the previous patch

the hidden terminal wasnt anyway to be found but still had a terrible refresh

nothing compared to orinth

[odd hinge]

Orinth doesn't buy Widow anymore though it seems

atleast not according to gallog

Also, i actually have been to Orinth quite a few times for those box missions from Ninetails 🤔

unique outpost tbh

like the scrapyard look

[arctic blaze]

yeah it doesnt

it buy etam and neon

which u can buy at paradise

[odd hinge]

Yeah

To be honest

the biggest issue with Vice trading, is getting to the buying and selling locations often

due to them mainly being unmarked

And especially for newer players that can be an issue

[arctic blaze]

yup

but orinth has atleast 4 quests to lead there

the issue might be paradise but is the easiest stash to reach manually

[odd hinge]

yeah

i need to go do it again tbh

might retrofit my ship later today, and go do some runs for fun

currently not too shallow on money, so more gonna do it for fun than money really

[echo parrot]

How much is slam in jumptown?

[native night]

@echo parrot 121

[echo parrot]

@native night thanks

[ebon cedar]

Still waiting to use the 30k workaround. They're avoiding me entirely since the reddit thread. I'm almost wishing now to endure at least one for testing... could servers be not so bad after all /s ?

[misty furnace]

from 3.10h evocati patch notes: "Greatly increased the amount of medium gem deposits."... mining intensifies!

[naive maple]

So... the 30k workaround recently discovered cannot be tested by those of us with small Hangars... I only truly own / Pledged a 315p, and as such only have access to a Self-Land and AeroView Hangars... the max size ship that one can spawn in here is size 3 (loaner Freelancer FYI)...

Even though I have purchased in-game, a Caterpillar with aUEC, it DOES NOT change your Hangar accordingly, and therefore, this 30k workaround is not available to those of us that haven’t “pledged” for larger ships that come with large hangars

[woeful moss]

okay

[arctic blaze]

what is that workaround?

where are infos on that

[woeful gazelle]

https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/hhhyxk/are_you_tired_or_30s_ruining_your_trading_fear_no/

@arctic blaze

[arctic blaze]

thanks

[sick hearth]

looking to expand regular day 2 day mining group. payouts 50-60 per run. DM for more information

[meager jetty]

Recently, I was about to try out trading for the first time, I went to yela arc corp mining area, however when I went to the terminal I couldn't buy anything

Was that a bug or did I do something wrong?

[lofty crest]

sometimes you have to wait, sometimes select then deselct

usually its just waiting for restock

[meager jetty]

ok

thanks

[woeful gazelle]

it's also bugged sometimes. one potential fix is lifting off and landing at a slightly different spot

[odd nacelle]

Getting an insufficient stock to complete purchase

but I am selling goods to an outpost

revisting the terminal seemed to solve the problem

[odd nacelle]

In terms of making money

Are mining and cargo running relatively balanced?

[faint tinsel]

You can make more money, faster, with both than with combat. Not sure if that counts as balanced.

Mining doesn’t require a ‘buy in’ of your own credits so it’s a bit safer.

Trading with a Cat you can make 360k per run every 15min or so if you do the right route.

Buy you have to spend 1.4 mil to make that run.

[odd nacelle]

I mean between the two

I'm thinking about whether I want to go all in and save for a cata in game

[odd nacelle]

I just timed out my "don't wait at terminals" run

about 27:30, 108,989 profit

three legs

So just under 10min a leg

[woeful gazelle]

"three legs"?
also what's your route and ship?

[misty furnace]

I think right now, the prospector makes more sense to actually own... if persistence/inventory gets wiped, you'd otherwise need to scrimp 40k to rent one, to make the first few hundred thousand or so, to really start making money with the cat... and I believe that you can also buy a cat in-game, buy with just the rental prospector, you can't currently upgrade the mining heads, so 1/2 to 1/3 of rocks are basically unminable, and those are the good ones)

[woeful gazelle]

well, I just tried to land on an outpost on ariel and couldn't see shit. suddenly boom - crashed into the surface.

[woeful gazelle]

so I tried this "super awesome 2m / h" route (ariel <-> P.O) and yeah it was rather exaggerrated. it takes about 20 minutes for the full run from P.O. to P.O. and the profit is 338k. it's still about a million per hour but nowhere close to two. and if you lose your cargo just once you basically are set back by 5 runs or around 1h 40 minutes.
also spending a lot of time quantum travelling is rather boring 😛

[lime flare]

Caterpillar or Carrack - OVER 1 MILLION aUEC per hour without leaving Crusader system!

EzPz 1 Million+ credits per hour. 1,028,480 to be exact! First you start off at Port Olisar, buy 100 SCU of Medical Supplies for a total of 157,500 aUEC (78,750 aUEC per 50 SCU). Then it's your choice of the two locations, but you have to go to both. Either first fly to Tram & Meyer's Mining on Cellin and buy 150 SCU of Laranite for 375,000 aUEC, 234 SCU of Titanium for 166,140 aUEC, and sell 50 SCU of Medical Supplies for 96,250 aUEC, or first fly to ArcCorp Mining Area 141 on Daymar and buy 180 SCU of Agricium for 405,000 aUEC and sell your other 50 SCU of Medical Supplies for 96,250. Then once you've visited both locations, fly back to Port Olisar and sell your Laranite for 465,000 aUEC, Agricium for 495,000 aUEC, and the Titanium for 208,260 aUEC. If you're really on top of your game, and you run into no hiccups, you can get 4 runs done in 15-17 minutes each putting you at just over 1mil per hour.

All in all, it looks like this each run:

Medical Supplies | Buy - 157,500 | Sell - 192,500 | Profit - 35,000
Laranite | Buy - 375,000 | Sell - 465,000 | Profit - 90,000
Agricium | Buy - 405,000 | Sell - 495,000 | Profit - 90,000
Cat (234 SCU) - Titanium | Buy - 166,140 | Sell - 208,260 | Profit - 42,120
Carrack (126 SCU) - Titanium | Buy - 89,460 | Sell - 112,140 | Profit - 22,680

Total Profit per run - (Cat) 257,120 aUEC | (Carrack) 237, 680 aUEC - Enjoy!

[woeful gazelle]

I'd rather do the pure laranite run Ariel <-> P.O.
less points to mess up or get ganked

and pretty much similar payout /h

[lime flare]

Nothing wrong with having options - knowledge is power.

[woeful gazelle]

yup, I appreciate you posting the route 🙂

[ebon cedar]

Tks yeah. I'm still avoiding 30k since the fix came out. And I just read someone implying my Free MAX would not fit into my hangar? Ohshit

[woeful gazelle]

that would be very odd

[ebon cedar]

Btw I'm doing something like 400k/h with it (120 SCU only) and the route is so simple, so short and repetitive, I can literally do other things while doing it lol. Movies, Tv shows... Also less random, so less bugs, troubles on the way.

[woeful gazelle]

especially since RSI gave everyone the freelancer with the hangar workaround

[pallid temple]

Well its not a hangar workaround

Its a bed log bug workaround

[woeful gazelle]

yeah but don't you have to go into the hangar?

[pallid temple]

No

[ebon cedar]

Oc you have to

[pallid temple]

For the 30k cargo workaround yes

But not for the bed log bug

[ebon cedar]

What is this one ?

[pallid temple]

There's a chance that if you log back in after you logged out from a bed that you'll get an infinite load and the workaround is to log out of the Freelancer's bed in Arena Commander

[ebon cedar]

Good to know. Never happened to me.

[woeful gazelle]

hm. ok I can only spawn S1 ships in my hangar

no freelancer or cutty

[ebon cedar]

I did the fix start since a few days w/o even checking my hangar lol.

Was feeling safe... for maybe no reason. Gotta try asap

[woeful gazelle]

aha wait, I also have the aeroview hangar which seems it supports S3 ships

[ebon cedar]

Free MAX is 3 ? Right

[woeful gazelle]

officially S2 but in the hangar it counts as size 3 (hangar has apparently a different size system)

ok, I double-checked and the self-land hangar also has a slot for S3 ships

you just have to go to the right place

[ebon cedar]

Feeling reassured. But CAT is really impossible right ? So for us no more than 120

(Which is already enough for me. A few days of farming and I got roughly all I want)

[woeful gazelle]

couldn't spawn Cat in selfland or aeroview so far; have two more hangars to check ^^

no dice

but freelancer (MAX) is definitely spawnable there

[naive maple]

couldn't spawn Cat in selfland or aeroview
@woeful gazelle this was my problem as well

[dry mica]

Anyone know decent earning cargo loop

Or can someone show me how to mine

[wise mica]

drugs daymar to grimhex 😉

[odd nacelle]

@Montis My route is PO to farm to mine to PO, so three legs

Agri supplies, food, agricum/corundium

Fast, not limited by inventory (typically)

[woeful gazelle]

ah, I see

@dry mica ship mining or handmining?
also what ship would you have for cargo?

[dry mica]

I only have freelancer atm been struggling to get money to upgrade

Either ship mining or hand I have no idea how to do either tbh @woeful gazelle

[woeful gazelle]

well you can't do ship mining without a mining ship

hand mining is relatively easy but it's not super time efficient

1. get a multi tool and a orebit mining attachment
2. get one of the armors with a lot of inventory space (pembroke / novikov armor; you find them in the "undersuit" category in a couple of armor shops; or the "Rucksack" torso armor)
3. go to the contract manager and look for the investigation missions in a cave
4. fly to the cave
5. equip the multitool and the attachment
6. go into the cave
7. look for ore
8. use multi tool to mine said ore; be careful not to overcharge
9. collect ore
10. when your inventory is full, you can either fly bag or log out/in to immediately spawn back at base (note that you have to respawn your ship in that case)
11. sell ore at regular trade terminal

note that if you die, you lose everything in the inventory of your currently equipped armor - if you unequip the armor, the armor including its inventory will be stored in the global inventory. you can then use backspace to kill yourself and then re-equip it back at base which saves you the logging out/in trouble.

tbh you'll probably earn money faster if you do delivery missions, the >8k ones

[rigid summit]

Hey so I've been experiencing a strange bug going from clu1 or what ever its called to crusader Port Olisor with my cat fully loaded as soon I go into QT SHIP disappears

I suicide then spawn back at the station and then retrieve my ship and cargo is still there

Tag me if you see this I gotta go back to work

Please :)

[atomic oar]

anyone know Constellation Taurus cargo space?

cant find it anywhere

[odd nacelle]

It's not spec'd

You can speculate about it based on the Andromeda's 96 SCU

But no one knows.

[atomic oar]

cool

[hollow sedge]

i've heard both ways about surface mining, that its completely random and that some terrain is better - anyone know if it's been confirmed either way?

[fair arrow]

@dry mica for 44k you can rent a prospector and for 104 you can buy a helix head you cant equip them normally and if you dont remove it youll lose it lol but for 150k or 15 claim jumper missions or 10 of the more dubious ones you can get this for 24 hours an if your good you can run quan from yela back to PO and make mad creds sonnn haha erm yeah its near dam impossible with out the helix head

https://space4games.com/en/games-en/star-citizen-mining/#Mining-ship-for-one-player-MISC-Prospector

this is a good guide on what to grab an what not too with the hand mine you can fill like 8 suits to the brim each one holds like 15ks worth of ore so you can do a investigation get like 9k then fill 6 suits at 15k and yourrrr off lol

[dry mica]

@fair arrow thanks man I'll do this today

[fair arrow]

no worries mate i was in the same boat the freelancer is a good ship can make you a start

[weary pier]

Agri supplies, food, agricum/corundium
@odd nacelle if you switch to med supplies 5000 worth then the rest agr supplies you can bump up profits by like 30000 AUEC

[odd nacelle]

Problem with med supplies is that everyone runs them, so you end up getting stuck at terminals waiting for shop inventories. @weary pier the whole idea of this run is that the regen rates are fast and inventory limits are high so you never get stuck at an outpost.

In my experience, tops you can get rid of 50 SCU of medical supplies before you run into limits, then I'm stuck with 241 SCU of medical supplies at an outpost where I can't store my ship.

The only time it's worth the risk, imo, is if you can store your ship on pad. ie, hella SCU of widow @ Grim Hex

once you store the ship, there's no risk and you can take all the time in the world.

even if terminal limits get in the way

[weary pier]

well thatt is what i am buy only 50scu worth then finish the rest of your cargo space with agri supplies it help boost your profits without having to wait

[odd nacelle]

That's not a bad idea, actually.

[weary pier]

I do it all the time

[odd nacelle]

I may consider doing more mixed cargo runs

I've started doing mixed cargo on my way back to PO cause most shops only have 150SCU of laranite

I hadn't actually thought of that.

On the med/agri leg

Thanks

[weary pier]

np

[real vessel]

man, rammers are shit

just got rammed three times, losing cargo each time

piracy is cool, ramming is shit

[barren meadow]

Do yall think the ROC will fit in the MIS FreelanceR?

[pallid temple]

Yes

Evocati did tests

[barren meadow]

That would be awesome. Although, not sure if the MIS can even scan rocks lol. But i did hear that all ships will be able to now?

[pallid temple]

Apparently

But the Greycat Industrial ROC According to Evocati, will fit in a Cutlass Black, Freelancer, Valkrie, Carrack and probably other ships bigger than a Cutlass Black that have a ramp

[barren meadow]

That is awesome! Can't wait!

[naive maple]

But the MIS has a narrower bay than the stock Lancer, right?

[barren meadow]

Doesn't it have the same dimensions as the DUR?

which is shorter, but not narrower if i recall

[static cosmos]

Origin is still better! Go with Us!

[limpid spear]

Origin is the BMW of space. You can double park in all of the handicap landing pads you want.

Hey Origin Rep, you best to make sure that G12 will fit in my 315p cargo hold. I didn't upgrade to Origin to then need an Aquala.

[quick heath]

It is odd the smallest Origin ship that can hold a G12 is the 600i

We need a Freelancer / Cutlass black rival

A 2-3 crew ship, decent cargo hold, can hold a small rover

Maybe a single turret on it

[wintry pine]

we need.. The 404

[knotty bloom]

but thats missing

[limpid spear]

I like how you think Kam! I was just thinking the same thing. I need a ship that can explore, put down and then have a small rover to get up close and personal with a small amount of storage to bring back the goodies. I love my 315p, I just need something the size of say a Freelancer MAX.

[naive maple]

@limpid spear OMG ... I have loved my 315p since 2013,.. But i would so upgrade to whatever Origin Explorer between the 315p and the 600i for sure

[limpid spear]

@naive maple Well I saw some of the early concepts of the 300 series and wasn't quite as excited about it. What is here now is awesome. I wish I had a ship I could just tuck it under so I could keep it with me at all times.

[turbid plinth]

got a weird bug? My carrack is showing 0/456 at lorville but full at the outpost

ideas?

[echo parrot]

I got cargo in my lancer but it's stored and i cant retrieve it. If i go to another station with another ship and retrieve freelancer in thar statio, will i get my cargo?

[full snow]

ship doesnt have to be rezed to sell cargo if it is at a place you can sell cargo but if you claim likely cargo will be gone

[limpid spear]

@echo parrot Lately, I've been seeing my cargo still in my cargo hold, even after I 30K. I hope you are able to claim your ship intact from another station.

[echo parrot]

@limpid spear unfortunately i couldn't, all cargo was lost

[limpid spear]

@echo parrot Bummer, I've lost a ton of cargo and all my money when I first started hauling. My recommendation, do delivery runs then between stations in a small ship. At least if something happens, you aren't out credits.

[echo parrot]

Thanks for the tip @limpid spear

[real vessel]

I have had some luck spawning my ship in hangar after 30k. Have gotten cargo back the last few times

@echo parrot

[echo parrot]

@real vessel i didn't manage to make that method work unfortunately

[opal crow]

uhhhh anyone know why i cant sell my laranite?

[limpid spear]

PO

Sorry I thought it said "where." Try relogging, it sometimes has hiccups showing the inventory items, including items in shops

[hollow sedge]

i experienced that the other day and relogging fixed it

hm, so the way trading works, with shop inventories and such... is it very viable to run the same route with your friend?

actually wait would it basically be the same as running any highly populated trade route?
like, going with your friend in two separate ships and each filling up/selling and then continuing on

[odd nacelle]

Demand would be impacted

and supply too

for example, T&M can only have 150SCU of laranite max at a given time and it regenerates over time

so if you were doing a route with a friend, the second person to buy laranite would have to wait until shop inventory is replenished

same goes for selling goods

[floral flare]

I just want to reconfirm before I blow the 100 something thousand credits on it. Helix mining head is still top dog on the prospector, right?

[naive maple]

Absolutely

[orchid fossil]

I was thinking about getting a 315p and turning it into a stealth trader, thoughts?

[naive maple]

Already what I’m doing LOL

4250 IR netting me detectability at 2650 meters

@orchid fossil see!

[orchid fossil]

@naive maple thoughts on it? is it worth it?

[naive maple]

Honestly, I just did the smuggling box runs to Orphanage and back to Orinth with E’tam for $100k/hr in order to buy a Caterpillar and from there fund the rest of my ingame ships... for long term use, 12 SCU just isn’t enough to be a trader... certainly not enough for non-drug trading

My 315p is my only pledge ship and it has earned me the following fleet by getting me the Caterpillar!

[orchid fossil]

I have the cat and defender right now, I was thinking of getting the 315p just for the short drug trades/reg box/trades

if anything, I might just get the 300i for a cruising ship and leave it at that and just do trading with my cat

[blissful rain]

Honestly, I just did the smuggling box runs to Orphanage and back to Orinth with E’tam for $100k/hr in order to buy a Caterpillar and from there fund the rest of my ingame ships... for long term use, 12 SCU just isn’t enough to be a trader... certainly not enough for non-drug trading
@naive maple no wipes between patch updates or character resets?

[woeful gazelle]

there haven't been any LTP wipes since 3.8

[potent maple]

Question - can you solo mine with a Argo mole?

[pallid temple]

Yes but its inefficient

[potent maple]

ok was just wondering can scrap 2 ships and go for proespector or pay a lik extra for mole

[proven token]

You have to switch seats with the mole and cant mlm ove while mining

Its a pain in the butt.

They could add like a remote switch so you can switch to the main miner turret but they designed it to be a multi crew ship and refuse to do that

[potent maple]

yer i went and go the prospector for now

may upgrade it later, used a bike LIT package for it

LTI*

[hollow sedge]

@naive maple What is that vehicle second from the right, bottom row

[pallid temple]

The red one?

[hollow sedge]

Uh no, the one that looks like a BTR with missiles

Next to the Ursa

@pallid temple

[pallid temple]

Oh that's the Anvil Ballista

[real vessel]

Hey all, is ARGO MOLE purchasble in game?

[pallid temple]

Will be for 3.10

[real vessel]

awesome

any indication now on price?

[pallid temple]

5million

[real vessel]

Thank you!

[hollow sedge]

Is it in game

[pallid temple]

Its in-game

[hollow sedge]

That's wild

[pallid temple]

But you can't buy it with aUEC yet

[hollow sedge]

How much did it go for IRL cash

And is it too big for a Valk

[pallid temple]

MOLE's $315

At base price

[naive maple]

@blissful rain I haven’t done any character resets. I lost all my aUEC (400k) when 3.9 landed, but didn’t own any ships then, just the URSA and Cyclone. Since 3.9, no wipes or resets!

[hollow sedge]

Okay

What can transport that Anvil Balista, if anything?

I guess the Hammerhead and Carrack?

[pallid temple]

Yeah

[blissful rain]

@blissful rain I haven’t done any character resets. I lost all my aUEC (400k) when 3.9 landed, but didn’t own any ships then, just the URSA and Cyclone. Since 3.9, no wipes or resets!
@naive maple well there hasn't been any patches since 3.9 lol

3.10 is up next and there's rumours floating around that it may wipe

[odd nacelle]

So what I"m hearing is

I should buy the dragon fly

cause I wanna try it out

and if I'm getting wiped anyway

[naive maple]

Carrack can’t fit the Ballista... door isn’t tall enough

@blissful rain well there was 3.9.1, which actually saved me from a character reset... my only ship at the time, the 315p that is my pledge ship, it was bugged and could not be retrieved from any station, leaving me to daily rent an Aurora in order to finish the last $450k grind to 2.1 million to purchase the Prospector... I didn’t want to reset and risk the $1.7 million I had earned between 3.9 and 3.9.1 ... fortunately, 3.9.1 landed and it unbugged my 315p and didn’t erase my Prospector either, nor mess with the $500k I had earned that week mining with it...

There seems to be some concern that a wipe is coming with 3.10, but I don’t see why that would be the case.

Some have opined that too many bugs and glitches have made players too much money during the current patch, but to that I say, unless those exploits are fixed, then what is the point of wiping now?!

I can see a wipe coming for 4.0 once the purchase limits are reinstituted and the Quantanium related bugs are remedied prior to 4.0 release

[blissful rain]

who said they have not fixed those in the next patch?

if they did they a wipe could happen?

dont get me wrong, i am not wishing you or any of us to have all our uec and ships we got etc all gone in 3.10 , far from it

im trying to earn enough to buy a sabre and a 600i in game

@blissful rain well there was 3.9.1, which actually saved me from a character reset... my only ship at the time, the 315p that is my pledge ship, it was bugged and could not be retrieved from any station, leaving me to daily rent an Aurora in order to finish the last $450k grind to 2.1 million to purchase the Prospector... I didn’t want to reset and risk the $1.7 million I had earned between 3.9 and 3.9.1 ... fortunately, 3.9.1 landed and it unbugged my 315p and didn’t erase my Prospector either, nor mess with the $500k I had earned that week mining with it...
@naive maple did you earn like 20m since 3.9.1?

[heady pewter]

They said they can also wipe the money made from exploits without wiping the rest of our stuff. Maybe we will get lucky because they said they don't want to wipe if they have a choice.

[blissful rain]

indeed

[sage juniper]

Dont be surprised of when the player trading app comes out they do a wipe. Its first line player economy starting.

[odd nacelle]

Is the cata the largest flyable ship in terms of SCU right now?

[pallid temple]

Yes

[odd nacelle]

I'm at 2mil and 26k

slowly but surely

doing some regular missions to break up the flow for myself

[naive maple]

@naive maple did you earn like 20m since 3.9.1?
@blissful rain not quite... I earned 2 million for the Prospector, 4 million with the Prospector and an additional 11 million (thereabouts) with the Caterpillar

So 2 million during 3.9, and about 15 million since 3.9.1

The Caterpillar makes $336,000 per trade run, but you risk $1,400,000 to Griefers and 30k’s in the process

With diligence and caution, I typically make 1 million per day (3 runs per fresh server)

[odd nacelle]

I just decided to do missions for a change of pace after doing a few runs

30k 5min later

lol

[vocal prairie]

Carrack can’t fit the Ballista... door isn’t tall enough
@naive maple Ballista fits carrack top hangar, have to roll it over the nose and into the bay from on top of a hill.

[tawny gull]

Very practical advice there.

[hollow sedge]

any decent trade routes atm that aren't as... volatile as t&m

[vocal prairie]

Lathan or Bezdek > PO

Laranite

[naive maple]

any decent trade routes atm that aren't as... volatile as t&m
@hollow sedge Plenty actually,... especially currently, while purchase limits are gone and prices are static... If you have a Caterpillar, Arial to Lorville is max investment with max return

However if you are in a smaller trade ship, it allows for other routes as well

[hollow sedge]

yeah I'm stuck on the loaner freelancer for now

[naive maple]

There is a drug trade route where you buy 10ish SCU of 4 different drugs to avoid selling wait times... I just can't remember the details

[lofty crest]

mine is always Acrcorp area 45 mining -> Area 18 Laranite. It may be long but its safe n chill rn

[ebon cedar]

Infiltrating a cat with 1.3M of cargo, done. Finally ! Tons of insults in the chat... it was fun

[rocky zenith]

Lathan or Bezdek > PO
@vocal prairie Whats the trip time? Is it quicker than Lathan/Bezdek to Lorville?

[woeful moss]

@lofty crest problem is you can't fill up the cat on one trip

you have to wait at least 5 minutes for area 45 to restock

And actually it's shorter for pure travel. Due to being a small moon with low gravity and being able to just suicide at the area 18 airport

but those 5 minutes waiting for it to refill destroy the time you've won

@rocky zenith you need to travel from hurston to crusader first so it shouldn't be shorter really.

[lofty crest]

oooh good point im only on a freelancer max atm

[woeful moss]

for freelancer it's awesome. My brother does that too

[rocky zenith]

@rocky zenith you need to travel from hurston to crusader first so it shouldn't be shorter really.
@woeful moss But on Huston you need at least 3 minutes from the hangar to the CBD by train. But the 30k is more able to hit you in flight to PO. Once landed in huston the cargo is safe.

[woeful moss]

exactly

and landing on po is less risky usually

but the 30k part is most important as of right now

[turbid plinth]

@woeful moss you say that. I still have ptsd from Carrack release

PO used to be a deathtrap for Carracks because the ramp is so slow. People can climb in and fly your ship away before you managed to sell out

until we figured out how to abuse respawn

[woeful moss]

hehe yeah, the respawn trick is what I just wanted to offer

but also the carrack has a small sideport next to the ramp. you can use it to exit but not get in at po @turbid plinth

well not exactly net to the ramp but before you enter the ramp room

[arctic blaze]

why would u go PO instead of lorville when coming from bezdek or lathan

titanium and lara or PO refresh rate is ridicolous

u take the same time to go and back

and ur more exposed to 30k

[blissful rain]

how r u more exposed?

po to trams and myers is like a 10min run back and forth homie

so easy to land in po and sell

lorville is a fucking nightare

especially for landing the cat there

and then takinig the train to the business district

jez

[rocky zenith]

But tram and Myers can not fill a cat in one purchase or?

[turbid plinth]

@rocky zenith dont think so. A few of us just still have the old routes in our memory. The supply rebalance two weeks ago shook things up a lot. Infinite laranite is....

if it's not reverted, which many of us are expecting, running diamond/titanium will make a comeback. Hence T&M

T&M still supplies enough laranite to comfortably supports mid sized haulers like MAX. For them the PO run is crazy fast

[arctic blaze]

ur more exposed to 30k coz the time u pass into QT is times longer than going to lorville

[turbid plinth]

nah. to PO?

you need to get within 2-5k of Lorville to be saved

not just the warp

[arctic blaze]

also landing a cat on lorville is a joke once u learn how to dive land

[turbid plinth]

to PO you can technically floor the throttle and drop in range in 20s

also, if you're lucky you can warp straight to PO from t&m. vs 2 warps from bezdek or lathan

Hurston, then lorville

[blissful rain]

But tram and Myers can not fill a cat in one purchase or?
@rocky zenith NO but u can get some titanium or diamon. still that run can gain u around 12-130k profite

ye lorville is shit for landing

and then taking the train etc

its shit

[rocky zenith]

and then taking the train etc
@blissful rain
But with a full load of laranite you get 336.000 profit 🤪

[blissful rain]

but u risk 1.4m

and your runs are longer

thust more risk to grievers and 30k's

[rocky zenith]

That's correct.i only had one 30k during 20 runs or so. 🤪

But it's still high pokering

[naive maple]

Tram & Myers - No Armistice, Griefers hiding inside to shoot you as u leave the terminal. 150 SCU limit on Laranite. Port Olisar - Griefers, Padrammers home base... jacking ships or just straight up ramming them cause they “like tears”. Area18 - watch out for the exploding hangar bay that goes boom for no reason. Lorville - dive landing with Cat is easy... too much gravity limiting speeds for Padrammers to function... cargo safe as soon as you touchdown

[ebon cedar]

Some ppl are doing several cats at once for only one travel using the subway. It decreases the global time. Some ppl also travel several cats at once using beginners players (sharing 1/3). Good for everyone. A cat fleet

[arctic blaze]

its the best way

[vocal cradle]

How have the 30k going

Are poeple still getting them

[real vessel]

yup, still having them. My last one was over the weekend.

Though I only had one over many hours of no lifing star citizen

[hollow sedge]

LordWolf, you don't really know what griefing is

You knowingly went to T&M knowing it's no armistice by yourself and no escort.

That's on you

Griefing is pad ramming people, etc

Loosing cargo/dying to another player cause you didn't take proper precautions isn't.

[limpid spear]

In a game that was fully finished with all the consequences in place @hollow sedge, I would be inclined to agree. The current state of the Alpha, this would still be griefing because there are no reasonable remedies or consequences for that behavior

[real vessel]

Players taking out trade ships may just be living their Pirate RP life

i think it makes the game more interesting

pad rammers can go to hell though

I like the idea of needing to bring escorts/turret gunners in order to improve security. It makes the experience more immersive

[turbid plinth]

pirates need to be a thing to check the money printing

as long as laranite is safe, nobody wants to give a shit about other aspects of the game

[hollow sedge]

Yeh, no. @limpid spear Every part of the game needs to be tested, if they didn't want it tested it wouldn't be in the game.

That includes blowing up people who don't take proper precautions like the idiots they are

[turbid plinth]

PO, MT and AC are all abandoned rn

everyone's either at t&m or arial

90% arial

[limpid spear]

@hollow sedge But in a balanced game, there would be consequences for being a pirate. There aren't any meaningful ones right now. Just like there aren't any other big ways to earn lots of money. When the game is finished and there are consequences of actions beyond the minor inconvenience of recalling your ship for free, then I would agree.

[hollow sedge]

Again, it's an alpha. Get over yourself

It needs to be tested

it's not griefing in the slightest

[turbid plinth]

the consequence is time for no reward

[limpid spear]

You don't need to test ship explosions by having people shoot cargo transports with no consequences.

[hollow sedge]

Your logic is flawed the second you said is it's not complete your argument was flawed.

[turbid plinth]

sure, the cheap thrill of murder is fine. But between bounty hunters, jail time and no payout very few stick to pirating

[hollow sedge]

People who call everything griefing really should play another game.

[limpid spear]

It's not flawed, it's accurate. A finished game is going to have consequences for illegal activity, so you have to weigh that with doing the action. Right now there is no consequences to pad ramming even, so it's griefing.

[hollow sedge]

No, it's flawed.

[turbid plinth]

pad ramming is griefing because it shouldnt happen. period

[hollow sedge]

Not getting an escort and someone murdering you? Not griefing

like legit

they don't need a profit for it to not be griefing

keep your rp shit out of here

[limpid spear]

But most people aren't going to want to escort without a monetary reward. That monetary reward is meaningless right now until it becomes persistent.

[hollow sedge]

Well then they shouldn't bitch about griefers when they die

That's on them

[limpid spear]

No, there needs to be legitimate consequences for that behavior.

[hollow sedge]

Man, there is no getting through to you. Keep your flawed dumbassery to yourself m8

[limpid spear]

In the finished game, you will definitely need to weigh the risks of taking your ship into less safe areas. But the pirates and murderers will need to weigh the risk of potentially losing or getting caught. Right now it's heavily skewed towards the murderers because there isn't any potential in game punishment.

[turbid plinth]

have you even played a pirate before? dont judge before you've tried ityourself

i play both sides. Lawful has the advantage 100%

[limpid spear]

Oh I think the pirate mechanic is important, I hope they make it as rich and interesting as lawful because it makes for a much more dynamic universe.

[regal notch]

@limpid spear
Crime stat 5 gets 13 hours of prison if he accidentally dies 😄

[limpid spear]

@regal notch

So he can just sleep it off! 😄

[regal notch]

Or mine for 1 hour and 20 minutes 🙃

[hollow sedge]

Like honestly m8

Sounds like you want to play trucking simulater

sounds like the game for you

No scary people out to kill you there for being a dumbasds

just yourself, hauling shit

[limpid spear]

I'm worried about your health @hollow sedge, it's just a game. You need to calm down.

[naive maple]

@hollow sedge fuk you troll... I suspect it’s not ignorance but simple Asshole trolling that is the spawn of your comments... Pirates would kill the Cat pilot and fly their Cat away to sell the goods themselves netting then 1.7 million aUEC from nothing!... that’s an incredible Pirate with a capital P... but currently, just some school shooter taking joy by ruining fun for others... those Cat murderers receive ABSOLUTELY nothing of value from their destruction of a loaded Cat... só again... FUK U

[limpid spear]

I'm not going to run cargo if I don't have to. I'm just pointing out the dynamics aren't finished and therefore that should be taken into account when we are talking about things in game.

[hollow sedge]

Lmao

it's funny, the game hasn't used to be filled with so many crying manchilds

Legit, trucking simulator. IT'S THE GAME YOU NEED.

No consquences 🙂 No scary people, nothing

[naive maple]

It’s to compensate for all the school shooters

[regal notch]

Griefing is pad ramming people, etc @hollow sedge Loosing cargo/dying to another player cause you didn't take proper precautions isn't.
Griefing is also stealing people ship and killing the owner , doesnt really matter when it happens , with or with out a full cargo .

[hollow sedge]

Look, if you want to call everything griefing

You are obviously playing the wrong game

Nobody would care if you left

If you are put in a position where someone kills you and takes your ships

that's 100% on you

cry and bitch all you want, how people are griefing you

[limpid spear]

When the game is finished, yes

[hollow sedge]

It's on you, and that's not changing

[naive maple]

If/when stealing a loaded Cat means I can sell that cargo myself, you can count on me “aggressively negotiating “ with any unfortunate traders to to fall victim to such circumstances, but as long as I can’t financially benefit from their cargo or their ship... serves no purpose to murder them

[hollow sedge]

Goodrabo, i already told you that argument is as fucking stupid as you are. Every aspect of the game is to be tested

No purpose? You guys crying nonstop in global about how's its griefing is proper entertainment in itself

[limpid spear]

@hollow sedge calling people names doesn't usually make for a convincing argument. I think most people don't want this to turn into some awful game that isn't fun. They don't need to test this dynamic in this way.

[naive maple]

No purpose? You guys crying nonstop in global about how's its griefing is proper entertainment in itself
@hollow sedge my point exactly Troll... isn’t there some school somewhere full of “cool kids” you’re supposed to be at?

[hollow sedge]

heh, admit you're a manchild and go play trucking simulator on steam

[regal notch]

🙃

[hollow sedge]

And stop pinging me nonstop, like what are you 12?

[limpid spear]

It will be proper entertainment when the Cat's turrets can effectively fire on their own. Right now, ship turrets for defense aren't working as intended.

[naive maple]

Admit you’re a school shooter and get the fuk out of here

[hollow sedge]

LOL, shit you might actually be 12

Someone killed me in a game, must be a school shooter

[regal notch]

they arent unfortunately for you

[naive maple]

School shooters murder innocents for fun... ya know... like you

[hollow sedge]

You are all sorts of yikes rn

[naive maple]

Pirates kill for money, easy, lazy, money

[regal notch]

But what JDAC wrote is not wrong , every thing it can be done on the game is a test of what it will be in the future with new features that will punish even more who grief or what ever they else do .

[naive maple]

Why earn 1.7 million when a single bullet to a trader = 1.7 million... THATS a Pirate

[regal notch]

That's not how it works now ... it will be like that

[hollow sedge]

Shit man, you sounding like a school shooter too

[regal notch]

I still dont understand how this conversation went in this direction >.<

[hollow sedge]

Cause if you don't profit from it, and kill a cat

it means you're a psychopath

obv

[quick heath]

Can't we all just get along and not act like a bunch of kids complaining Christmas is cancelled? Agree to disagree and move on

[naive maple]

And I die plenty Bounty Hunting... that’s fighting PvP/Criminals/Pirates... executing traders at a trade terminal leaving their loaded ships there to rot is NOT Piracy... it’s causing grief for the sake of licking tears off your screen... GRIEFERS

[regal notch]

Ahhh that is just pirates having fun with traders that unfortunately for them don't have millions on them

[limpid spear]

It will be fun to see the change in 3.10 when auto-turrets are a bit more spicy for protection though.

[regal notch]

Lord ... untill that loaded ship is not blown up you can recover it by going there .
The problem is if you are not able to kill who is there to not let you take it back .

[limpid spear]

If I die, will my auto-turrets continue to fire and avenge me?

[naive maple]

@regal notch I agree that once the game mechanics allow for Pirates to benefit from murder, then this entire classification of “Griefers” will have to be redefined... my position is based on the current situation only

[regal notch]

And it is griefing only from ARMISTICE ZONES , were there aren't I have never been told it is considered griefing .

[peak root]

if you want a trucking simulator , steam has one for you.

[pallid temple]

Technically 2

[regal notch]

Blade outo turrets potentially can or will

[pallid temple]

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[naive maple]

Lord ... untill that loaded ship is not blown up you can recover it by going there .
The problem is if you are not able to kill who is there to not let you take it back .
@regal notch the problem is that these trolls will happily suicide kamikaze into the parked Cat in order to keep you from returning to recover it

[limpid spear]

Well, I mean safer areas will likely be space trucking simulator. That's why insurance will be cheaper and you'll get less profit from runs because it's safer. There will likely be more police patrols too for distress signals.