industrial-professions

[gloomy flume]

Whats the best mining planet rn for basic?

[woeful gazelle]

planet? MicroTech
moon? Yela or Daymar
asteroid belt? Yela

also: define basic

[gloomy flume]

To teach basics

I dont know the spots anymore lol

[sick hearth]

Who wants to go mining with a experienced group , lots of ships no one to sit in them , be friendly, 18 + only . Need pilots / miners newbies and expected welcome . Average payout is 50-60k . Pm for details

[woeful gazelle]

To teach basics
@gloomy flume I'd say Yela surface or Daymar. best mining spot imho is Yela belt but that's mostly for Quantainium which might be more advanced than you're looking for

[hollow sedge]

Fell off the ladder in the Mole. Died instantly at 100% health. Lost all cargo. Spent nearly two hours mining. I'm done for the day.

not-like-this.jpg

[woeful gazelle]

couldn't you have done a transport beacon to your stranded ship?

[hollow sedge]

I don't know if there's a way to get the last location of the ship. Unless I have people with me in the ship which I can QT to their beacon, saving coordinates doesn't exist as an ad-hoc feature.

There's no planetary coordinates system like GPS or north-south-east-west

Lat, Long

[woeful gazelle]

I've never done this myself but I've seen people make a transport beacon to their stranded ships

like contract manager -> beacon -> add a beacon -> transport -> stranded ship (or something)

[hollow sedge]

If the player is doing a transport mission, they always have a reference point such as a beacon. It's easy for them to go back.

Mining is more open ended, exploration.

[woeful gazelle]

well usually your own ship also displays on your UI, but that might change if you spawn a new one

[hollow sedge]

No defined mission nor coordinates unless grouped with other.

[woeful gazelle]

if the PU knows the location of the ship and has it stored as "stranded ship" for a beacon, the person who transports you will get a marker for that

[odd hinge]

I am happy

just hit 2 mil

[woeful gazelle]

or should, anyhow

[odd hinge]

for the first time

[hollow sedge]

that would be a good feature request if we don't have a coordinates system to reliably bookmark locations.

[tame elbow]

Congrats Kevin

[odd hinge]

thanks 😄

[tame elbow]

Don't place it all in one spend

[woeful gazelle]

that would be a good feature request if we don't have a coordinates system to reliably bookmark locations.
@hollow sedge well the transport to stranded ship feature is already in the game, I just don't know if it works the way I think it works

[odd hinge]

nah i wont

probably just gonna grind more for the next few days

do 2 or 3 runs a day

should earn me a million a day

not sure what ship to save for. Might go for a HH, or a 600I

[hollow sedge]

all in the past now.

[placid bridge]

I'm only making 26k-ish per mining run with my Prospector.
Can barely find Laranite at both Daymar or Yela, and Quantanium is barely worth it for me.

[woeful gazelle]

Quantanium is barely worth it for me
excuse me?

have you tried the Yela belt?

[bold lynx]

quantanium is currently the most expensive ore ;P

why would it not worth it?

[woeful gazelle]

no idea. I almost exclusively mine Quantainium

and my average payout per run is 110k

with an average run length of 31 minutes that's just over 200k per hour

[placid bridge]

I'm referring to the fact that it's going to literally explode in my cargo.

I'm on a rental, so I can't replace the mining head, I don't believe.

[brisk sapphire]

just grab it all soon add up o7 8)

[woeful gazelle]

I'm on a rental, so I can't replace the mining head, I don't believe.
@placid bridge there's ways, but you might lose the replacement heads so I'm not comfortable recommending them

[ornate rock]

I've crashed my rental prospector so many times, you don't lose the mining head

at least not because it's a rental

losing equipment after destruction is something that can happen in any ship

[woeful gazelle]

I literally have 0 experience with the stock laser but it's probably not great pickings :/
what you could do is tag along with someone with a helix and scan for them, then you split the cracked rocks

[ornate rock]

stock laser is pretty terrible, it can deal with a few rocks, but you have to leave too many behind

[placid bridge]

I actually bumped into another Prospector on one of my first mining runs, great fun.
I'll see if I can find and drag someone along with me.

I'm also a little interested in these ways I can change the mining head.

[ornate rock]

if you have the cash, risk the helix purchase, it's just one good run and you have paid for it

[placid bridge]

I already have 68k so getting a bit more won't be too hard.

[woeful gazelle]

how long did you rent the ship?

[ornate rock]

while you're in the ship, open mobi glass, do nothing (don't select in the dropdown), then wait until the current ship loads on it's own

and then you can change stuff

[placid bridge]

24 hours, yesterday.
Just thought about that now, gotta re-rent the ship.

That'll cut me down to 20k.

[ornate rock]

mu advice would be to get to 210k with deliveries, then go for a three day rental and the helix head

[woeful gazelle]

the Klein or Hofstaede laser are 10k or 12.5k respectively and are a significant improvement over the stock one

[placid bridge]

210k with DELIVERIES?

[ornate rock]

I dunno, I'd do combat instead 😄

but not sure if that's your thing

[placid bridge]

My poor Aurora MR can't get through shields.

I'd love to do combat, if my ship could.

[ornate rock]

Aurora can pewpew

[placid bridge]

wherecanigetshipweapons

[ornate rock]

I've not had one in a while, I think that'll be my next purchase so I can give people a little better advice in terms of combat for it

[woeful gazelle]

MR only has 2 weapons as standard loadout if I recall correctly

[placid bridge]

Yup.

[warm river]

dumpers depot

centermass

[placid bridge]

Two size 1 GT-210s.

[ornate rock]

ye, but an extra set of gimbals and guns is relatively cheap

[placid bridge]

how much

[ornate rock]

especially those gatlings are cheap, I think 4k each or so, and less than 1k each for the gimbals

either area18 or port oli, gimme a sec

[placid bridge]

PO's got a Dumper's Depot

[warm river]

btw where tf is centermass at area 18

[ornate rock]

ye, center mass at A18 has it

[woeful gazelle]

S1 gimbals you can get everywhere and they're 1k a pop

[placid bridge]

A18 makes my computer beg for mercy

[ornate rock]

IO north tower, A wing on the left side, take elevator to center mass

https://dto9r5vaiz7bu.cloudfront.net/6osthgpt0zfnk/hub_large.jpeg

old picture, but still accurate

called iron wolf towers here for some reason

[woeful gazelle]

S1 Neutron Repeaters cost 4.4k per piece and you can get them in CRU-L5 or HUR-L5, Area 18 or New Babbage

[placid bridge]

tyty

Will try some murdering.

[ornate rock]

start with missions from the bounty tab, there should be two for 2k or so. also best to work around hurston right now

if you have more questions best to ask in #flight-combat-racing tho

[woeful gazelle]

there's ECN alerts there that pay out 10k but I'm not sure you'd be able to take down andromedas with S1 weapons

[ornate rock]

ye, no problem

andromedas fall apart if you just look at them funny, more holes than shield on them

[woeful gazelle]

btw you could just as easily use the free freelancer, it has significantly more firepower

also don't forget to accept the call to arms mission

[ornate rock]

freelancer is much slower though, that weighs down mission time, also a lot harder to track agile targets

[woeful gazelle]

I'd take a wager that I could take down most ships a lot faster with my freelancer than with my aurora

[ornate rock]

I think after my reset has gone through and I still have a prospector I will mine a bit of cash and grab myself an Aurora MR again to see how it performs

[woeful gazelle]

why MR over LN?

[ornate rock]

last time I flew the aurora was when it was a mustang alpha loaner

cause MR is starter ship

and both have the same weapon layout anyway, since the LN needs to gimbals S1's on S2 slots

[woeful gazelle]

hm ok I got an LN as my game package, but I think it was a free upgrade back in the day

[ornate rock]

I think back then they sold the Aurora ES as a starter

and then gave a free upgrade to the LN cause the ES is so terrible

now the starter is the MR and most people are using it, and I also keep recommending it over the mustang.

[woeful gazelle]

possible. I don't really remember

actually I rebought the game package for a friend and it contained an MR

[ornate rock]

but I have no idea how to actually use the MR, I did combat with it a little, but since then I have learned quite a bit

I think they removed the aurora as a mustang loaner with 3.7, so it's been quite a while

another half an hour, then I can log in again and bo back to Yela

[woeful gazelle]

hm. I had the "Package - Squadron 42 Preorder" but it doesn't say which ship it had, so I'm guessing it was an MR

anyhow, back to cargo and mining chat

if 3.10 wouldn't have teased me with additional ships added to the shops, I would now lend out my money to people to get their prospector and helix in the game and pay me back with interest 😅

[ornate rock]

just lend them your prospector and split the money they make for you

[woeful gazelle]

problem is they can only make one run

if I'm not also online

[ornate rock]

you could actually purchase multiple prospectors, hand them out to people and just chill at PO at the refinery

[woeful gazelle]

lol I guess that's a strategy 😅

[ornate rock]

especially with 3.10 when cash trading is easier

[woeful gazelle]

I did actually think about buying a second one at some point

but now that the mole will be only about 5 mil ... I'll probably hold off on that

[gloomy flume]

I actually have two prospectors for that reason @ornate rock

[woeful gazelle]

also I hear that ships might get cheaper with 3.10

UEC wise I mean

[gloomy flume]

One bought on RSI, other bought in game

was only 2 mil

Hoping for the mole in 3.10. Only gonna be like 4.5-5mil

[woeful gazelle]

5.1 mil according to SC leaks

[gloomy flume]

Not too bad

A tali is 4.4mil iirc

[woeful gazelle]

tali?

[gloomy flume]

retaliator

[woeful gazelle]

retaliator?

ah ok

it's 4.03 mil according to Erkul

[gloomy flume]

Ah

[woeful gazelle]

but as I said ship prices in general might go down a bit with 3.10

[gloomy flume]

😢 Had to reset and lost my Sabre and second prospector

Big sad

[woeful gazelle]

did you wait an hour after resetting?

[gloomy flume]

Yeah

been like 3

[woeful gazelle]

e.g. Vanguard variants are currently about 3.5 mil and the sentinel is listed for 2ish in 3.10

[ornate rock]

I just reset for funzies

gonna see what I gambled away

it's the lottery that creates new opportunities to work towards!

pretty shitty lottery overall tho, ngl

[woeful gazelle]

I reset a whole bunch of times during 3.9.0 as my account was fucked quite a bit (I only had 10k after closing 3.8.2 with over a mil) and I lost about 3 helixes and a couple of negligable ship components and fps items

luckily didn't lose the prospector

[ornate rock]

well, one hour is over, lets see what I lost

ye, prospector is gone.

[woeful gazelle]

well, you had to go and play the lottery 😅

[gloomy flume]

I lost a ship I bought a week ago

All that Laranite

has the balls to take my ship and not give me my money back

smh

[ornate rock]

really don't mind losing the prospector. still have enough cash to rent one again

and this ship would've probably been lost going to 3.10 anyway, since characters are always reset between patches, just not the LTP

[gloomy flume]

ugh, well i've lost 4 mil in ships

just mad ltp doesn't really work like it should

[ornate rock]

I kept my aUEC and my ship components

[gloomy flume]

as did I, I just didn't keep ships

[warm river]

i just reset too

[ornate rock]

ohhhh wait

no

[warm river]

time to see what i kept

in like 40mins

[ornate rock]

I only have the ship components I had before 3.9

[gloomy flume]

I have all my components

even the helix's I bought 4 hours ago

But no ships

[ornate rock]

I lost at least one NN 14 laser

that's interesting

[gloomy flume]

https://ss.rampagenetworks.com/X/KAj6wQVB5e.jpg

Both my helix's are here

[ornate rock]

I do have my coolers and shields that I bought with 3.9.1 though

[gloomy flume]

Seems its just ships bought in game never save

Also items will appear over time

[ornate rock]

ye, but this must be an issue with 3.9.1

[gloomy flume]

So glad I didn't lose my TS2's

[ornate rock]

the gladius is with me since 3.7

[gloomy flume]

Was not about to spend 200k

All my weapons too

12 revenants

(Carrack and Caterpillar)

Like 2 mil in components with everything i've bought

Oh and my Razor is gone

So make that three ships bought in game that didn't survive a reset

[ornate rock]

I don't mind losing anything, the vehicle manager is super snappy now that all those duplicates are gone 😄

[gloomy flume]

40 Agni's

[ornate rock]

I had 8 gladius copies

[gloomy flume]

40 Carrack's

wack asf

Least I still have my whole Sabre Comet loadout

I wish the BiS Cat had a different interior

[lean wedge]

So, I just started fps mining, and I'm wondering if there are any quicker methods than searching for caves

[pallid temple]

Not at all

[woeful gazelle]

there was before 3.9 as you could scan for those minables, but atm you can't

[hollow sedge]

How do i maker sure my quantinium stays with me? i elft when it started blinking, but like, i always have to eject it before i get back and its a short jump

[naive maple]

When 3.9 dropped, i had only been playing 2 weeks, and lost $400k... hahaha, back then I was crushed, it was ALL my money and I thought it was SO much, I sent a ticket in complaining about it! LOL

I lost $500k in cargo to just one 30k yesterday! Hahaha

But you guys losing ships, that’s brutal... I better not lose my Cat or Prospector... the Cat was a LOOONG grind

[hollow sedge]

i think cargos a bit too easy to make money tbh

[paper forge]

is it me or HDMS doesnt sell anything anymore?

[lean wedge]

So, all my deliveries have been boxes, do far. Where do you find large deliveries?

[pallid temple]

You don't

Not yet at least

[lean wedge]

As in there aren't any in this version, or they show randomly?

[pallid temple]

There aren't any in general

We'll probably see some come 3.11/3.12

But I doubt it

[proven token]

I want to do arms shipments

With guns

When can I do that

[thin island]

When pigs fly over a bear shitting in the woods, probably.

[naive maple]

I want to do arms shipments
@proven token Hahaha, yeah thats not gonna draw any Pirate attention... and UEE attention... and PvP attention LOL

[proven token]

heck yea

[upbeat igloo]

Can anyone explain to me how i find viable trade routes for my freelancer? (im havent played much sc so pls explain like im 5)

[coral drum]

https://www.gallog.co/trading/

[upbeat igloo]

thx, is it smart to run the same route over and over or is that problematic

[woeful gazelle]

@hollow sedge if it's only blinking the first phase you can still easily sell the Quantainium. second phase you should be pretty much on your way to the ore or ship terminal to either store the ship or sell the stuff, 3rd phase you should jettison or boom.
a good practice to get more time is to break all quantainium rocks down first before you pick any of them up. and then just go straight to selling it, should give you ample time to get sell it without any mishaps.

[naive maple]

^^

[woeful gazelle]

🤑

[sick hearth]

Nice hall !

Lucky find

[woeful gazelle]

bugged af too, I had 2 100% quartz rocks in there

they magically converted to Quantainium

[cloud slate]

@upbeat igloo if its a route you create yourself on gallog, its probably fine to run it alot but if your always running scrap to from say Everus Harbor to Olisar all the time your bound to get caught out and blown up as those are major ports. safest way to haul cargo is not buying/selling it at the major player/spawn hubs so there is less chance of loosing it all, unless your paying someone to escort you

[tribal goblet]

Best trade route RN?

[kind yoke]

arial -> cbd / tram -> nb

larry / tiutan

titan

330k profit / 100k profit per run on a cat

money at risk is 1.4M / 398k

[tribal goblet]

Yeah; was hoping for something new/different

maybe less per run but faster

idk

[kind yoke]

these 2 are the fastest already

coz u dun hv to QT across the system

otherwise u can run CRU L1 to PO

scraps

27k profit

u dun need atmospheric flight

but u get nuked at PO sometimes

[tribal goblet]

Arial -> CBD is a lot of atmospheric flight/landing. 20-25 a run

was doing 8 min runs near PO for 100k a run

but i dont trust the people around PO

[kind yoke]

yeh

i think arial -> cbd pretty fine by me if i run titan

[tribal goblet]

Less profit per run, but faster turnaround

running a cat

[ebon cedar]

but u get nuked at PO sometimes
@kind yoke Do you really ? Armistice is so close... it happens?

[kind yoke]

it happened to me

sometimes theres a eclipse hiding somewhere

near PO

u can never see him

but u get nuked

[severe peak]

So how's the 30k lately? Can you actually do trading runs without bankrupting yourself?

[kind yoke]

its worth a try

[tulip roost]

Guys, where are you finding the good rocks? I keep flying all over Crusader system and all I'm getting is sub-10% stuff, sometimes flying for many minutes before I even see any rocks

[woeful moss]

Guess you're unlucky

[ornate rock]

daymar is a good place to start

you can go by scanner and visuals there

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/572706150286622720/722462625920843786/unknown.png

relatively easy to spot stuff just by abusing render distances

works on all moons, but daymar works best for me

[ebon cedar]

Smart !

[azure prawn]

Should i leave my Cutlass Black dream and save more to buy a Prospector In game?

[woeful moss]

It's you're decision buddy

With a prospector you can easily make the money to buy one ingame

at this point at least

[azure prawn]

i mean, with Prospector i can mine and get more money then i do rn

[woeful moss]

yep

[azure prawn]

i mean delivering boxes aint paying much

[woeful moss]

you can make approx 200k per hours by doing special missions around hurston

but with a lucky streak in a prospector you can make more than that

[azure prawn]

Special missions? are those the private contracts?

[woeful moss]

If you're unlucky you wont

yeah

but no crimestat

usually just kill one ship

[azure prawn]

hmmmm

i guess those are the bounty hunting ones?

and also keep in mind that i have a Picses

[woeful moss]

around hurston, one is called extermination notice or something alike and the other is by the quest giver called future ghost

I don't know how good of a pilot you are

but I have a better advice @azure prawn how about you rent one of the s hips to see how you like the gameplay?

[azure prawn]

i mean i rented a prospector before @woeful moss

i couldnt find stuff to mine cuz my mining head was low grade

[woeful moss]

You could change the mining head on the rented one too. But alas it's always your choice. You can always try those missions around hurston, won't cost you nothing but a few moments of your precious life 😄

[azure prawn]

yea, i mean i could use my little Pisces for a flight

[woeful moss]

Or rent a real fighter and do those 200k and hour. oh inbetween the private ones you can also do the ones for 10k ECN Alert. Usually easy too

[azure prawn]

i mean i am thinking those private box deliveries but i wanna keep my citizen crime-free

[woeful moss]

Yeah they give good cash too and I never got scanned 😄

But that might of been just luck

if you want to stay crime free then get the prospector

you can also get CS through a bug sometimes 😄

[azure prawn]

yea ik that, Po shot me even though i dont have a CS

anyways i might rent a prospector for a day and see how good i do

[woeful moss]

but then you should also buy the helix

and put it on

you can take it off again and safe it for if you want to buy one

oh and always take it off when you log off or plan on not playing for a while

😄

better safe than sorry

[azure prawn]

but i know that we cant modify the rented ships?

[woeful moss]

There are two ways right now

[azure prawn]

dm me its way

[woeful moss]

1. you pull out your prospector - get in the pilot seat - open vehicle configurator - just wait, don't pick anything from dropdown - it will load your ship and you can customize

Don't worry it's well known and should get fixed someday, maybe if they add different types of rentables. like cheap and high class

2. you rent the ship - go to main menu - go to you self land hangar - equip mining laser on prospector - leave self land hangar - load into game - profit

#2 is also good if you have a 30k and couldnt remove the helix. before you go back into the pu just remove it in hangar

[azure prawn]

also where do i buy the helix head and how much is it?

[woeful moss]

Port Olisar --> Dumpers depot has it for 105k

[azure prawn]

105? thats like 2 hour of gain to me

with boxes

[woeful moss]

yeah but if you're lucky you can get more than that back with one hurl

in one hour you should definitely get it back

[azure prawn]

i mean i can do the laranite run

40 k each run with a freelancer

[woeful moss]

if you dont 30k and lose way more than thatz

[azure prawn]

thats also true, i lost bout 160k credits just for 30k

[woeful moss]

just go ahead and see if you can do those bounties I told you about around hurston. Maybe you can do that

Or even better

just ask on your server if someone would mind lending you a fighter

[azure prawn]

last time i asked to the lobby was for seeing inside of a Cuttie Black and i got backslashed

[woeful moss]

you can have my defender if you want, not all players are like that

[azure prawn]

nah, i dont like borrowing ships from people. idk it just feels bad to me

[woeful moss]

Okay, just wanted to offer it. then good luck with your enterprise 🙂

[azure prawn]

thanks

[blissful rain]

Can borrow my gladius

[azure prawn]

like i said i dont like borrowing shşps, cuz when i do you can have a moment where you needed that ship

and then i will feel guilty @blissful rain

[proven token]

Some people have more then enough to share

[azure prawn]

i know but i dont want to take peoples stuff

[ebon moon]

@azure prawn I mean, I usually let someone borrow my ship before I log off. If anyone needs a ship they let you borrow, they can just claim it and get a new one... no harm (maybe), no foul.

[woeful gazelle]

if someone is flying your ship and you claim it, will it vanish from under their butt?

[ornate rock]

no, but it will be flagged as stolen

it will turn red with all consequences

[ebon moon]

but, if you don'ot get stopped, pretty sure you don't get a crimestat

[woeful gazelle]

what if they're in your party?

[tawny gull]

Made my first million today thanks to hauling.

Started with like $50k last night, did scrap hauls. Once I had $150k I started doing 50% of my funds in each run. Worked up to filling a Cat with $400k of titanium and selling for $500k.

$100k in 10 minutes

[woeful gazelle]

lucky you. no 30ks?

[tawny gull]

Not while hauling

I had one just after selling a load, but that's it.

Which is lucky because early on I was gambling and putting all of my funds into a single load.

[woeful gazelle]

also I'm not sure the 100k in 10 minutes is a fair evaluation since you probably first had to fly there first, or not?

[tawny gull]

That's 10min for a full round trip

[brisk bronze]

Yeah sounds about right, I can do like 300k in 15-20 minutes, havent timed it yet

[latent pasture]

We are in a mole, can't find anything on the planets as in the radar is picking nothing up in comparison to what a prospector gives us

where would best place be to go minin?

[runic edge]

I've had a lot of success at Magda recently

[quick heath]

@tawny gull Where are you buying/selling to?

@latent pasture I've had some okay luck in the Yela asteroid belt, but I've also heard the asteroid belt in the middle of the system is good if you can get to it. You have to turn off quantum mid jump to get there, no way to actually go directly to it

[latent pasture]

okie ty

[tawny gull]

10min starting from Port Olisar, and buying titanium from Tram and Meyers, back to PO. Full load on a Cat costs $400k and sells for $500k

[quick heath]

Where's Tram and Meyers?

Also is there anything PO sells you can buy and sell to Tram and Meyers, make some profit on the back leg?

[tawny gull]

On Cellin

Haven't looked at what they may buy.

[quick heath]

Gotcha

[frank pumice]

Anyone on 3.10 know if the grey at mining buggy made it into the build? Have been waiting for a mining vehicle for some time

[quick heath]

It's unknown at this time

Once it's been confirmed they'll likely have it up in the leaks channel within an hour 😄

[undone ibex]

pilots, i want to sell some slam at hur l5 rr, but i cant find the panel. isnt it close to ez habs like cru l5?

[wild canyon]

So I’ve had around 6 hours continuous play time with 0 30ks, however I’ve been only doing deliveries and dicking around off and on - do you guys notice more 30ks while actually shipping?

[lean wedge]

So, I'm currently fps mining to save for a new powerplant. Right now, I'm only filling a Pembroke rucksack to see what take it'll get. However, I plan to soon start filling the rear of my Freelancer with a few crates of minerals. 30k aside, is there anything I should know going forward?

[proven token]

FPS mining in caves is the way to do it

[lean wedge]

Ye. Been taking investigation contracts to find them

Just looking to avoid any potential pitfalls, since I may be risking a lot of money soon

[frank pumice]

mining is pretty safe FPS wise, just take a spare multi-tool in case a rock blows up and damages it

also recommend taking a bottle of water & food in case you need to refill

[naive maple]

Also, me personally, I would only equip the pembroke armor to PICK UP the rocks, and otherwise wear something else... ie wear other armor, get out there want see the caves, find the rock crack the rock, switch to Pembroke to equip pieces, switch to other and continue... this way when 30k hits, all your load is still safe and sound inside yourvpembroke provided you weren’t wearing it when the 30k hit

[lean wedge]

Why would it be safer without Pembroke. Do you lose your armor in 30k?

[frank pumice]

its a bug, so if you unequip the armor and 30k hits, you keep the contents

[naive maple]

You lose what is INSIDE your armor... the inventory

On the armor equipped

[frank pumice]

you can also lose weapons and essentially everything equipped

[lean wedge]

But the inventory will stay in the armor?

[frank pumice]

as i found out the hard way

[lean wedge]

By equipped, do you mean just in your hands like death, or actually everything equipped?

[frank pumice]

i just dont use pembroke armour anymore tbh, you can carry more sure, you if you get 30k then your fucked since you have to buy back all tools and weapons, ammo, the lot

literally anything on your back or equipped will be lost, sidearm, primary weapon, mining tool, everything

[lean wedge]

How often does 30k happen?

[naive maple]

I’ve never lost the armor from a 30k, but whatever food water and mineables were inside the armor you were actually wearing are lost... so don’t be wearing it when the 30k hits... I have a rucksack filled with water and MRE’s that I only wear for eating and drinking for this very reason!

Too often

[frank pumice]

id just use the normal backpack and create crates in your freelancer, sure the trips are longer but much more safe and stable

[lean wedge]

Wouldn't crates go with 30k?

[naive maple]

literally anything on your back or equipped will be lost, sidearm, primary weapon, mining tool, everything
@frank pumice this is incorrect and only affecting him

[lean wedge]

That's what I'm trying to avoid

[frank pumice]

well its not incorrect it it happened to me is it...

[naive maple]

You will lose the gun or tool THAT IS IN YOUR HAND only

[frank pumice]

just because hasnt happened to you yet

[lean wedge]

Hopefully it doesn't happen again

[frank pumice]

last time i had 30k while wearing pembroke i lost everything, even undersuits and previously purchased armor sets

i dont know why, but ever since i went back to normal armor the issue has gone

[naive maple]

No I understand ... but you are claiming it as if it happens 100% of the time to everyone like losing your equipped gun... it has NEVER happened to me

[lean wedge]

So, how does 30k affect ships and crates? I was under the impression that you would lose them if it hit.

[frank pumice]

as long as you dont claim the ship they should stay i believe

so get a second ship, fly to same location and find the ship flying previously

[lean wedge]

How far out does first ship beacon show?

[frank pumice]

that i dont know, but the investigation should make locating it easy

there is usually only 1-2 cave systems per planet

i always go to the same cave systems so fairly easy to learn once done a few times

[proven token]

I wish you could scan from orbit

kinda find a good place before going in

[frank pumice]

you can if you have a prospector, it will show hand minables as diamond symbols

[kind yoke]

when u 30k does ur ship stored in the last major port you landed?

[drifting flower]

nope

gets lost in void

[kind yoke]

how does the post "30k safe route" works if thats not the case

i uds if u go to a moon

it goes to the vojd

lets say if i go to PO

does it store there

[drifting flower]

If you actually logged in your bed before a 30k happens you'll have a chance of respawning on your ship in the area where you bed logged or under the Stanton star.

[kind yoke]

😫

[drifting flower]

but even bed logging to cover that error isn't guaranteed itself. when you log. sometimes it just doesn't work and you spawn back at the last major port you were on and your ship is still lost in space.

[kind yoke]

then i will just go hack to hauling titanium hoping no 30k will happen and use 4 hauls to cover each 30k lol

coz according to the post if u start from a major port with storage

when u 30k it will get stored there

so i was thinking about CBD to PO for scraps and back with medical supplies

if this dun work then the margin of titanium makes more sense

and of course the shorter turn over time

with less time at risk hauling within same system

thx for ur input

[drifting flower]

yw

idk where that person got that idea from. Maybe your ship can get stored in a rare case but it's never happened to me. A coupled times i've taken off of PO to head to a local moon and get hit by a 30k. I spawn back at PO and see my ship status as Unknown and in Stanton. I go to look outside and my ship isn't there.

[kind yoke]

yeh last time i tried i go from cbd to PO

i lost my scraps no big deal but it gets me thinking if that idea works

and yes it get "stored" in stanton

[tawny gull]

CBD?

[kind yoke]

lorville cbd

central business district

[mental fulcrum]

Did they nerf Quantanium mining?

[uneven loom]

sorry for a total noob question.. started game 2 days ago. finally successfully mined! got some dolivine. now i cant find anywhere to sell it. tried a few merchants and the refining kiosk with no luck. any advice?

[quick heath]

@uneven loom Did you mine from a ship, i.e. a Prospector / Mole, or with a hand tool?

[uneven loom]

hand tool. but i think i figured it out! the kiosks next to it.... i am slow... thank you for helping though!

[drifting flower]

dolivine is a hand mineable

[uneven loom]

means a lot

[quick heath]

No worries xD Also feel free to ask in the in-game chat - usually helpful people there too

[drifting flower]

do you you still have it in your personal inventory or did you put it into a crate?

[uneven loom]

thanks kam!

will do.

[drifting flower]

If it's still in your inventory you should be able to sell it at a refinery terminal.

[mental fulcrum]

hmm, my prospector seems to have "usused/empty" inventory at the refinery, but when I'm out mining it's at capacity....anyone else have this issue?

[buoyant grove]

best setup for a catapillar for hauling

[drifting flower]

@mental fulcrum It's a known bug.

some of your ore will sometimes get deleted.

I wish Gallog took into account the max commodity capacity a location has. For example - medical supplies.

[wheat idol]

what is the best ship I can rent for cargo at the moment?

[woeful gazelle]

hmm, my prospector seems to have "usused/empty" inventory at the refinery, but when I'm out mining it's at capacity....anyone else have this issue?
@mental fulcrum yeah it's a bug. doesn't always happen but only happens when there's quantainium in the hold

[zinc lynx]

So i heard that if you haul vice around, the different places that take them don't demand even one SCU

so why do people haul around 10 scu of each?

[odd hinge]

differs from location to location actually

But most locations should refresh their stock every minute

so you should be able to sell 1 SCU per minute pretty much

And it is high profit stuff

So some people tend to also buy 2 types at once

[woeful gazelle]

wasn't it every 5 minutes? or did they change that with 3.9.x?

[odd hinge]

should be every minute according to gallog

but could possibly be 5 min yeah

[topaz zephyr]

Can anyone else not sell Laranite at loriville or new babagge?

[strong kayak]

Oh no! Is the Lorville Laranite boom done?

[wise mica]

Is there a NQA terminal in Levski?

[topaz zephyr]

@strong kayak Laranite boom?

[strong kayak]

@topaz zephyr You can make fast EASY money going from Lathan to Lorville with a hold full of Laranite

If you have a Cat it's probably 1.2mil profit an hour?

[topaz zephyr]

I have the subbed carrack, but when I went to lorville and new Babbage, there wasn’t an option to sell. I was just wondering if it was somehow bugged or cig disabled it for that reason .

[strong kayak]

Did you go to the Central Business District?

Building that's mostly black stone and gold?

[topaz zephyr]

Lorville I took the train to the metro district, I think that I was what it’s called. Then went to the admin office

[lean wedge]

Fps light isn't working. Logging out and in doesn't fix it. Happening to anyone else?

[undone socket]

WHY is it my ship is on terminal to buy comodoties, but its greyed out, cannot access it, suggestions?

[pastel frost]

Try retrieving then storing

Personally tho i dont store to buy and sell cargo... have my ship refueling while i run off board to buy and sell stock

[undone socket]

cant store, once i retirvr boat, gives me option to retrieve again, and not claim

changed server and blew ship up, still same thing

[strong kayak]

@topaz zephyr Nah, take the commerce line from the space station

And then it's left once you're in

[runic edge]

So what's the point of running widow if I can get a higher profit margin from something like distilled spirits?

[azure ginkgo]

The point is to jape people

[pastel frost]

Its still bugged after you claimed it? Very strange

Worst case u can always character reset

[runic edge]

Is there a hidden terminal at HUR-L3 R&R?

[knotty bloom]

Anything I can do to fix my Mole? the center mining unit has a stuck UI that won't convert to the mining screen.. just stuck on Nav related ui?

hah! scan.. that fixed it

random button pressing ftw

[frank grove]

Okay, so. I knew, academically, that mining was profitable. I knew that Quantanium was the MOST profitable. But it was not until one rock's worth of Quantanium brought in 161k, more than everything else in my hold combined, that I just realized how profitable it was. I'm almost in the green on my investment just on my first outing. Wow.

Since I'm here, question: is there a way to pick out the minable rocks in space more quickly? I ping, and it gives me a box, and then I normally just end up stumbling on the correct rock by accident after that so far. There a better way?

[quick heath]

Not really. Gotta use the Mk 1 Eyeball to find em

[woeful gazelle]

@frank grove check out my miner's guide it has some hints on that and a video
https://sites.google.com/view/starcitizenminersguide

[frank grove]

The tip about averaging the different pings together resulting in a weird box is useful, thanks for that!

[naive maple]

Dude I’m so pissed off by Griefers... some Asshole Padrammed my full Caterpillar at Port Olisar costing me $700,000 ... and then in chat ppl were saying he’s been doing that for the past hour... I can’t believe that shit doesn’t count as Murder or even net a Crimestat 1... no Crimestat or consequence at all!

[latent pasture]

mm

m8 if you want good money

run Laranite from Arial to Microtech

got to 1.9mil in a day of farming starting at 120k

didn't suffer any griefers

if I ever go to P.O. or Grimhex

theres someone camping it

[ebon cedar]

I can't wait to see features like spaceship repairs, ship to ship cargo transfer... anything making pirating more viable. It's so hard to attack those big whales in their cat w/o killing them... so much millions passing by. The chat system is horrible, a lot of ppl got no idea how to switch/use channels... They don't even realize you're giving them a way out most of the time.

[drifting flower]

there's gonna be netcode fixes in 3.10 right?

[lean wedge]

What do you do if someone hops in your ship while you're in port?

[proven token]

Almost nothing you can do right now

Sucks

[lean wedge]

Two of them. Never left armistice zone.

What if I log out in bed?

[proven token]

Probably should, they'd probably immediately try and kill ya if you take off lol

[lean wedge]

They took off

I quit game. Now my ships won't retrieve.

[proven token]

Lol. Well that is probably an unrelated bug. Sometimes i need to switch stations to retreive my ship :/

[lean wedge]

How do i switch stations?

@proven token

[proven token]

Sooo

Either grab another ship...

Or get a ride from another player

You should have a freelancer loaner

[lean wedge]

Nvm it claimed this time. Bye bye cargo

[proven token]

Oof.

[lean wedge]

Freelancer was stolen

First run, too

[proven token]

Welcome to star citizen

[lean wedge]

11k medical supplies

[proven token]

Bugs steal more loot then anything

[lean wedge]

Bugs don't have agency

I will kill these people if I get the chance

[naive maple]

Padrammer scumbags have cost me more than 30k’s since buying a Cat

[lean wedge]

It's not even that big a deal. I'm just not having a good day already

Better luck next time, I suppose

[hollow sedge]

Welcome to Star Citizen. Now that you've "enjoyed" the bitter parts, may your experiences be what the actual game is really about.

[knotty bloom]

So, for toxic materials I mine.. Quantanium and such

How long do I have to get back and sell it once it starts beeping?

I read jettison'ing it would only jettison the bad parts.. but I then learned it jettisons all of that particular ore

[manic birch]

what would appear on ita

[junior kayak]

what station would you guys reccomend i mine near as a new player with prospector? running into area 18 to sell is a pain

port olisar?

[drifting flower]

how do you update the price on gallog? the buy price of laranite is wrong.

[latent pasture]

Gallog is always a little behind

give it an hour or so

[lean wedge]

For such an integral mechanic, you'd think rsi would make it native

[lean wedge]

So I'm running Distilled Spirits until Laranite becomes more profitable. Any tips for avoiding the authorities?

[ebon cedar]

@knotty bloom Something like 30min. Don't worry, if you're mining efficiently it's not an issue at all. Plenty of time. Also the alarm will sometimes activate on the next runs even if you don't have QT in cargo (bug). If you're sure cargo is safe, don't bother with it, it will stop by itself, no destruction.

It happens to me all the time. QT is not always the only thing to mine. It all depends your luck in rock finding.

[kind yoke]

distilled spirit is illegal?

[runic edge]

I thought they were at first, but I don't think they are. I think "vice" makes it sound illicit.

[kind yoke]

yeah

coz i hv been trading stims and being scanned for manytimes

thats why im surpised

i even ran the drug start with "A" with a long ass name its also legal seems

[lean wedge]

Haven't encountered scanning yet. Then again, I haven't run contraband yet, either

[bold lynx]

how to change mining laser on rented prospector?

[tawny gull]

I think some people have claimed there is a way to do it, but by default any rental cannot be modified.

[ornate rock]

not much to claim, it's possible on all ships to switch modules on the fly (during flight)

rentals are no exception to that

just open vehicle loadout manager, don't select anything in the dropdown, just wait until it defaults to the current ship.
then swap modules to your hearts content

[blissful rain]

I just made around 80k on trade run buying asetine from yela and selling to po.

i invested 280k and got about 360k. one run and very short travel time.

Good run on a drake cat?

[tawny gull]

Not bad, but you can definitely do better. You can do Laranite+Titanium from Celling to PO in 10min round trip. A full cat nets you roughly $140k

[severe peak]

Assuming you avoid the dreaded 30k

[tawny gull]

True, but they seem less frequent these days.

[kind yoke]

or trade stims

they are also good and u lose less when u 30k compared to larry

[rapid karma]

Could someone please recommend some good trade websites? There was one in particular that I found useful but lost the link to...

[drifting flower]

Gallog

[rapid karma]

I'm already aware of Gallog and Kamille

[drifting flower]

Those are the 2 best

[rapid karma]

but there was another i had fonud and liked but lost

i see

[drifting flower]

Fleetyard?

[rapid karma]

yeah not that one...there was another and google isn't helping

[hushed path]

My org has an advanced trading website, if you're looking to join one

[rapid karma]

ah so only if you join

[hushed path]

Yeah, since our head guy build it all out and manages it

Wizardry to me

[rapid karma]

cool

[rugged viper]

At a trade terminal on Daymar, but it wont show me anything to buy or sell. Anyone know how to fix?

[hushed path]

Change server? Are the store shelves totally empty?

[rugged viper]

It doesnt show anything in the menus at all

[woeful gazelle]

lift off and land again at a slightly different spot

[rugged viper]

@woeful gazelle I know im a bit late, but that helped, tyvm

[woeful gazelle]

you're welcome 🙂

[faint tinsel]

Managed to do 2 runs with my Cat in 30min make a little over 160k. I am not pushing the 30k gods.

[knotty bloom]

Is there a time limit on the volatile cargo? I read 30m, but it definitely was closer to 20

[keen oracle]

any1 else having sever issues every time i login my ship falls on me in a hotel bed and i fall out the map done it like 15 times already

[pallid temple]

@knotty bloom Its about 15 minutes

[blissful rain]

Not bad, but you can definitely do better. You can do Laranite+Titanium from Celling to PO in 10min round trip. A full cat nets you roughly $140k
@tawny gull and but what's the initial investment?

[tawny gull]

It was $800ish I think

[knotty bloom]

Any suggestions on scanning? Seems very inconsistent.. Mole should get ~7k range.. but maybe 3? results are spotty when they do show.. I just wonder if I am doing something wrong

[manic birch]

where is the refinery in area 18

[drifting flower]

@manic birch admin office. top of the stairs.

[lean wedge]

Is grimhex still accessible

[azure ginkgo]

yes

[trail prism]

then why do they say grimhex is closed

[light star]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-washington-90percent-bullshit-bull-shit-bs-liar-gif-5765990

[knotty bloom]

Can anyone speak to ore respawn logic? In EVE for instance, resources in an asteroid belt woudl not respawn until X amount was harvested

I am finding these past few runs to be particularly dry.. and was wondering if it was because I was skipping too much of other stuff

[proven token]

I don lt think anyone knows agronis

[odd hinge]

Right now ore spawns are just random

If you find ore and fly away, when it gets out of render range it just despawns and is gone

sometimes it can be hard to spot the rocks as well, and it does not help that the scanners are broken as hell right now

But sometimes its just bad luck, have had cases where i didn't find any agricium rocks in almost an hour of flying..

[ornate rock]

scanners aren't really all that broken, but they behave kinda wonky

especially that they group rocks into a single scan result, as long as the rocks are within a certain radius of each other

[pallid temple]

I've found some decent rocks recently, but at the same time I've had some really weird scanner behaviour, where it'll show an area with mineable rocks in, but it won't show them on a second ping

[ornate rock]

most likely related to the rock grouping thing

[odd hinge]

Yeah

when rocks are near its really wonky

you can literally look at a rock, ping, and not have it pop up..

[ornate rock]

it groups a rock on your left and right into one thing, you fly towards the center, scan again and then you can't find either of them

[odd hinge]

i've also had cases where the ping from the scanner is just not fired at all

which i also noticed in pvp combat, which can be an issue

[ornate rock]

that one is visible though, no blue particles coming out

[odd hinge]

yeah exactly

is there even an issue for that on the issue council?

need to have a look tbh

[ornate rock]

and I am glad scanning is still kinda snappy compared to every other server interaction

imagine scan pings would be as "snappy" as trade terminals

[odd hinge]

oh lord

scan

wait 30 seconds

ayy, there it is 😄

at worst like 2 minutes

[ornate rock]

ye, I rather have every other scan fluff instead of that

[odd hinge]

but i suspect that might be, due to the scans/pings beinb performed client side, and then being sent to the server?

so the client just performs the action, and just scans the rendered area?

[ornate rock]

maybe it's all client side even

[odd hinge]

It is relayed to the server though that you ping, as others see it as well

[ornate rock]

ye ofc, but the scanning could happen locally for the most part. especially for rocks that are close, since they've already been rendered in anyway

[odd hinge]

yeah

[ornate rock]

and I guess might as well send other rocks to the client that just don't get rendered yet

[odd hinge]

that makes me question though, how do things get marked that are out of render range 🤔

like player ships at like 15KM distance

[ornate rock]

maybe your client knows about them, they are just not shown. definitely abuse potential in there though

[odd hinge]

yeah

i mean, it would make sense for them being rendered already, but just due to being too far away not being visible

just curious though

till what range entities are loaded

and after what range they are unloaded, and i presume that also depends on the type of entity

As it would make sense to keep players loaded for a larger distance than npc's.

maybe your client knows about them, they are just not shown. definitely abuse potential in there though
@ornate rock How do you mean abuse potential btw?

[ornate rock]

third party tools aka cheats telling you about rock location and whatever else your client knows about, but doesn't show you.

pretty huge problem in a lot of loot spawn based games

[odd hinge]

i mean, that depends on what anti cheat they run

as that is also how most wallhacks in shooters work

they just have a program that reads the work memory, find such things, and plops them down in an overlay

but a proper anti cheat can stop that from easily happening

[deft sigil]

Does anyone have the link to the google doc that lists all commodity buy/sell info? I can't find it on google

[cinder steppe]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uJia0JCt7sL3bvI_89ed-2TThnITCbMPN2yKbf-veAY/edit#gid=112264172

[deft sigil]

Does anyone know what the timer is for shop demand to go up?

[odd hinge]

should be 1 or 5 minutes

[pale coral]

Where do you guys find the most consistent place to mine is? Been scanning on nearly every crusader planet and found very little in worth

[woeful gazelle]

Yela belt is my go to spot

I even kinda wrote a guide for it
https://sites.google.com/view/starcitizenminersguide

[small osprey]

oh my god montis

thank you

the last guide i read was painful to read

[woeful gazelle]

how so? 😅

[small osprey]

left out a bunch of parts, wasn't clear, used differing terminology for the same thing in different places

yours seems to avoid all of those mistakes 😄

and then pan the laser (or strafe your ship) to slowly "paint" the rock will result in the rock energy level going up was a key part they left out

[woeful gazelle]

yeah I mainly wrote an explanation for the scanning as a lot of people had issues with it and then gradually added more stuff haha

especially as I found that the "ultimate mining guide" wasn't really that ultimate and had a lot of useless extra fluff

[fierce ember]

Got lucky today! Game crashed on me after 3 rounds of trade last night. Logged in today and recovered my Carrack and went to the trade terminal. My trade from last night was still there. All 400K of it!

[woeful gazelle]

odd

[ebon cedar]

@woeful gazelle 8min only from the first QT alarm ?? wow, is it not 15 ?

[woeful gazelle]

I ... actually don't know, that table was WIP and I forgot that I had that in there and I published the site because I made another change lol 😅 don't have much time to log into the game atm

I'll time it manually or do some research one of these days and let you know

[lean wedge]

Whelp, I can now officially afford to lose a cargo run

Enough capital for two full runs of Lanerite, plus spending money

Life is good

[woeful moss]

No, from my experience it's approx 8 Minutes @ebon cedar

[odd hinge]

well, i think the timer should be 15 min

but generally it ends up only being 10 min

taking damage shortens the timer i believe

[cloud slate]

anyone else having isses with trade consoles refresh time on lorville?

[obsidian furnace]

Hey do you know some mining spots?

[odd hinge]

Yela, Yela's astroid belt, Daymar and Caliope are some of the most popular ones i think

[obsidian furnace]

K

[ebon cedar]

I stopped Yela belt, taking too long, scan bugs annoying. Yela surface is good too and less painful. I found high % and high mass on planet too. Agricium is easy to find, easy to mine. When QT is not available.

[odd hinge]

yeah

what still annoys me is how that astroid belt between arc crop and microtech has the issue that mined rocks disappear 😦

was a good place to mine, but right now useless

[woeful gazelle]

Yela belt is still my go-to 🤷

[odd hinge]

for me personally its just yela

[lean wedge]

Speaking of Yela, I'm looking to move out of Lorville, and have been looking at GrimHex for a home base. Anything I should be careful of?

[mellow grail]

Grim Hex is full of criminal unsavory types. You should live at Levski. Far more peaceful and laid back. Good folks up there

[lean wedge]

How will it affect my cargo operations? Cellin to GrimHex, so far, seems like my best alternative to Arial to Hurston

And it has all the supplies I need

[odd hinge]

GrimHex has the issue of not being able to spawn large ships atm

It also does not buy too many commodities i think

[lean wedge]

So you know how, once you jump to a location, you can Set Route to it again so that you have a marker for approach?

I was trying to do that for GrimHEX, but had my cruise control on, set to max power.

And it turns out that GrimHEX is surrounded by a dense asteroid field

165,000aUEC of Lanerite, plastered on a space-rock

[woeful gazelle]

and that's why you don't text and drive, kids

[lean wedge]

"This is the text that killed my daughter."

[muted totem]

GH buys eveything i think lol i have flown Cat loads of alcohol, Laranit, diamonds and such there

[lean wedge]

Only problem is the people.

Only port where I've been shot down, so far

[tawny gull]

@muted totem You can't land the Cat on the pad can you?

[muted totem]

nope but beside it there is a broken shoot of that has an airlock just park next to it and EVA in

[ebon cedar]

Another bug related to mining. Sometimes on Yela surface, after mining a rock I see suddenly a LOT of mineable rocks all around, like 15 or 20 very close (less than 1km) They were totally not there the first time. Some of them can't be scanned

[muted totem]

To bad Aaron halo doesn't work

[ebon cedar]

Another bug also : sometimes the ship disappear during mining -- waiting for you (stored) after you respawn on PO (last station visited). Cargo intact. This one could be useful if it can be reproduced.

Fast RTB

[proven token]

Aaron halo is going to be cool, hopfully moles and orions have somthing to do there

[muted totem]

if they ever fix the rock despawn issue

we tried it yesterday lol you crack a rock and it disapears

found the halo on accident

[woeful gazelle]

Another bug also : sometimes the ship disappear during mining -- waiting for you (stored) after you respawn on PO (last station visited). Cargo intact. This one could be useful if it can be reproduced.
@ebon cedar I think this is connected to the manual ship storage button. only happened for me when I used that one

[ebon cedar]

yep maybe. or related to the auto-storage when the station warns you "blocking the area". Even if you leave quick and far. You get deleted..(ship stored). Happens to me a lot. Sometimes a few minutes later than usual. That's why I've got now 5 Freelancers instead of one in my "garage". Game is so fucked ^^

There is a huge and deep problem of data corruption in this game. It's related to a majority of current bugs. Game is unable to store player data, server data correctly. There is always some degradation over time. Sometimes bug induced, sometimes faster than usual. Ship storage get corrupted, mining cargo get corrupted... player equipment get corrupted. And so on. Only solution a character reset and even this thing does not get the same results for everyone. Implying they're not even able to reset properly player data....

[cold mauve]

A fine addition to my MSR

[faint tinsel]

Probably buy that one in game as ground vehicles are all pretty cheap

[kind yoke]

will it be a new LTI token 😋

[proven token]

probably will

[turbid plinth]

gib big clusters

150k in hadanite

mmmmm

WHERES MY SPIDER DROID

[brisk sapphire]

i like the leg part but the ball on top just looks odd

[proven token]

Where is my spider mech miner

[azure ginkgo]

For real

Also they remind me of tachikomas from ghost in the shell

[odd hinge]

SQ42 only most likely

[proven token]

I refuse to believe this grim

[hollow sedge]

anybody interested in trading? ship will be provided and you will get paid good

[faint tinsel]

Best week I’ve had for trading. Finally broke 1 mil, then 2 and finally 3 without crashes.

[blissful rain]

How ml

[proven token]

Seems late game cargo > mining huh? Mining just has less capital at risk

[tender sandal]

...and then CIG wipes all @faint tinsel

[faint tinsel]

Noooooo!

[tawny gull]

Same Dell. Broke $5mil I think. Didn't lose a single haul.

[dull sedge]

does anyone know why my cargo would keep disappearing in a prospector? mining right now and I keep watching my cargo go from 60-80% full back down to 50%

[drifting flower]

bug

game deletes cargo sometimes

[dull sedge]

think i'm going to call this run and then quit mining for a bit then. i just watched it take me from 65 back to 50% 3 times in a row

with 3 really good agricium rocks 😦

[lean wedge]

So, at the moment, I'm running Lanerite from Tram & Meyers Mining on Celin to GrimHEX. That's 39,600aUEC profit at 6600 units in about 12 min per run

Is there anything more efficient atm? bc if so, please lay it on me

[odd nacelle]

I was doing cargo runs until the places I was running goods to stopped buying

lost 90k in cargo today, which sucked.

[lean wedge]

You said it

[odd nacelle]

How much SCU do you think the Connie Taurus will end up with>

[lean wedge]

Dunno what that is

[hollow sedge]

Not much more than freelancer max tbh. There isnt much more room to expand the cargo hold

[woeful gazelle]

yeah I guess between 150 and 180
btw it's called Laranite, not Lanerite. or is that a meme I'm not aware of?

[woeful gazelle]

@ebon cedar I did some tests today and had about 8:30 min from first Q pickup to first alarm and then about 5 min from first alarm to second alarm

unfortunately I had to leave then, but I'll do further testing one of these days

[blissful rain]

And this is why I believe there will be a full wipe on 3.10 https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/hcd7yx/20_trillion_dollar_mining_run

[woeful gazelle]

you know they can just filter the database for people that used this bug and just reset their accounts?

I believe that's what they did with another money bug that was happening in 3.8.x

[blissful rain]

i see

ok

[ebon cedar]

@woeful gazelle Ok tks.

Regarding aUEC abuse, I can confirm some ppl I know have been already account reset after doing trading glitch.

They wanted me to imitate them. Not sure I'll do 😉

[woeful gazelle]

were the people reset during a big patch or just at some point?

[ebon cedar]

few days ago

[woeful gazelle]

interesting

[ebon cedar]

Still a big mess since they also give money massively to everybody... and oc those ppl won't get wiped.

[woeful gazelle]

they might

[ebon cedar]

They should wipe all of us regardless... hate to say that

[woeful gazelle]

I don't see an issue with a couple of individuals having a bunch more money than they should. I don't think it breaks the overall economy (which isn't really there to begin with tbh). I'm sure they'll only reset if they have to or at the start of the beta

[pallid temple]

It makes sense that certain people get wiped, they've got the tools to observe us as they please

[ebon cedar]

I hope they got the tools to FIX also...

[pallid temple]

Well they apparently can't restore lost equipment components or aUEC due to issues

I bet you anything the marketing team told them to say that

[woeful gazelle]

I can understand that during alpha and beta

[ebon cedar]

I see this behaviour in others games, like Tarkov. It's a good thing

You don't give back virtual asset to ppl losing it during an Alpha.

[woeful gazelle]

like it would just literally cost them money that's much better spent elsewhere to hire people to deal with restoring lost things

[pallid temple]

That one does make sense I have to agree with

But the fact that I couldn't get a persistence wipe because a character reset wasn't fixing my issues still irks me

[ebon cedar]

Really hope after SQ42 they'll move their ass about those things

next year

[pallid temple]

I think we'll be really lucky if we see news of an SQ42 beta this year

And I hope to god that its not an Evocati beta

Because you can in no way entrust a secret to Evocati

[ornate rock]

if they reset people who abused the mining glitch, they have to reset pretty much everyone who went out mining

most people will have (unknowingly) received too much cash with one or the other run or cashed in twice or more with the same run

some people got 200k too much, others 20 trillion, where do you draw the line?

[coral drum]

everyone is getting reset anyways before launch

[ornate rock]

the first time I cashed in double I didn't even realize, I just thought it didn't go through... after that I was wondering a little about my account balance but didn't think too much about it.
second time I realized what was happening, after that I tried to force it to happen so I could figure out why it happened

"before launch" is in... several years from now

people are playing now, so I understand that some care about wipes.

I only like to speculate, don't really mind starting from square zero, quite the opposite actually... as long as it's not every other month as it was right before the LTP introduction

[woeful gazelle]

yeah unless they want to test something specific or make a major change in the way the data is restored I think it'll serve their purpose better to not have a general monetary reset

[ornate rock]

they are introducing a few high value ships into the in game shops though

might be interesting for them to see how people go about earning aUEC to get one

they could do that at a later points as well though, especially since ToW will also bring a bunch of auditing tools to the PU, allowing them to better analyze player behavior in general

[blissful rain]

everyone is getting reset anyways before launch
@coral drum yes we know that but they should not reset now as many have earned there uec grinding!

[ornate rock]

that has never been a valid argument and will never be one

they will reset whenever they want to, if you can't deal with it, don't spend your time "grinding".

[woeful gazelle]

thing is: if they reset now they will likely lose a ton of data as I can imagine a lot of people might just stop playing until they announce "final wipe"

[woeful moss]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-oreilly-stephen-colbert-interview-speculation-gif-8326954

[ebon cedar]

Guys the mining exploit bug is not receiving from times to times 200k instead of 80k. Not even trading it x3 x5 times. What they target are ppl who found a way to repeat the sell indefinitely. Accumulating billions and billions on one single run.

[ornate rock]

I've not heard of people repeating it indefinitely

sometimes the mining thingy just bugs out due to an overflow condition somewhere, spitting out trillions instead of a few thousand

[ebon cedar]

Youtube dude, and SC bug report (council something). easy

[ornate rock]

but from what I know no one knows how to reproduce it, so unless CIG figures out how to fix it, there is no point wiping progress if the problem persist

[ebon cedar]

I hope nobody can reproduce. A lot are trying right now, I can tell you that ^^

[ornate rock]

it doesn't matter how many people are trying, a wipe is kinda pointless if the issue persists

[strong ember]

Ah yes I want to buy -1 units.

[tulip roost]

So that's how 30ks are made...

[strong ember]

I was able to get to another station and sell before the server 30ked. 😂

[icy viper]

Man :/

Haven't been able to finish a single mission

second time it 30k'd

[exotic ibex]

Hey new here, can someone give me a quick easy guide to selling cargo?

Where to and from and what material

[muted totem]

If your new you are better off starting with package delivery

[ebon cedar]

My game crash sometimes and the "rejoin session" thing does not work. Any tool or method to rejoin quickly same server ? Something else than joining party or friend.

[tawny gull]

@exotic ibex I started with about $50k hauling scrap from various locations back to PO. That turned to Tram and Meyers Cellin Titanium runs to PO. Then Titanium and Laranite in a cat.

The Cellin to PO is 10min round trip. Very short amount of time you have cargo on board which means smaller window of time your cash is at risk.

Just don't bet the farm on a single run though. I was putting up 50% of my cash each run until I was filling up the Cat.

[muted totem]

You can also join an organization where they provide the capital for trading and you get the profits. Alot of trading orgs will do that.

[tawny gull]

Probably the way to go if you don't have your own ship to trade with.

[hollow sedge]

Hello, where can I sell slam?

[languid pilot]

wait how does that work with an org?

how do you even interact with an org ingame?

[pallid temple]

You don't

[woeful gazelle]

have everyone on your friendslist, basically

[brave agate]

servers are verry 30k happy today

[faint tinsel]

They were yesterday too. Gave up on any trades before I lost money.

[kind yoke]

there were ppl doing 30k ondemand 😩

[opal crow]

please tell me i didnt just lose my money?

[hollow sedge]

So where do you usually sell med supplies?

[mint crow]

most of the R&R stations buy med supplies but only 1000 units at a time

[tulip roost]

So my haul of what was supposed to be 80-90% Quantainium turned into this

[quick heath]

oof

[proven token]

I've had that happen too DJ

[regal notch]

That's a lot missing , its like almost empty .

[quick heath]

Did you check the ship physically, lose any of your cargo pouches? @tulip roost

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tulip roost]

I didn't and I have no idea how I even could. I filled the ship, went straight to PO, landed very gently and then went to sell it

[quick heath]

I mean, shit happens? But that was my only other thought for a strict non-bug reason

[tulip roost]

Yeah, I guess it's my cue to wait for 3.10

[vocal prairie]

Were you asteroid mining?

[tulip roost]

Yes

[regal notch]

Weren't they still bugged ?

[tulip roost]

As far as I know, the bug was fragments dissapearing quickly. Which they didn't, I've cracked the rock, fractured three smaller rocks, got everything in with no problem. Cargo hold 100% full. And then this.

The rock was 19% Quant too, at around 5 tonns, so...

[woeful gazelle]

there's multiple bugs with mixed Q mining where minerals turn into other minerals, and also the cargo hold not being full at the terminal despite being full when mining.
best way to avoid it or turn it the other way is to
always split all Q rocks first and pick up highest percentage Q first then stairwell down (e.g. first 100%, then 79%, then 64% etc)
I've had a run with a 10%-ish Q rock that turned into 92% Q in the cargo hold even though I picked up 2x 100% Quartz chunks to fill up the rest of my cargo - which obviously made me a great deal more money than it should have.
until that bug is fixed I'm basically exclusively looking for Q rocks and ignoring all other valuable minerals

@tulip roost

[tulip roost]

Thanks

[proven token]

8 years and they can't even get mining minerals correct

damn it robert

[pallid temple]

If you're in a turret on a Mole and you're mining, and someone else engages scanning mode, that also turns on scanning mode for you as well

[vocal prairie]

@tulip roost , also to note that with asteroid mining cargo disappears. 30% to 0% in mid extract. I would avoid asteroids for now as its not guaranteed haul. Surface mining has no bugs like that with cargo disappearing that I've run into. Occasionally on breaking a rock, fragments will be underneath the surface though.

[tulip roost]

Yeah, it's just a shame that I had terrible luck with surface rocks

[vocal prairie]

I've heard various rumors of staying near the surface level below the belt on Yela and keep mining in that direction with the belt always above you, front and back.

[tulip roost]

Worth checking out, thanks

[lofty crest]

i dont think mining is for me, I gave it a real good go I followed the guide and spent allot of time but in the end it didnt feel worth it

back to cargo hauling it is

[ebon cedar]

I'm doing both. Mining is good for a start but gets quite limited if you want massive money. Even with using bugs at your advantage... but sometimes you still do crazy things. I've done a 500k+ one run. But also wasted hours on unlucky rocks searches...

It's more about changing gameplay when hauling begins to be boring... and still making regular money

[odd hinge]

Mining has the upside of not losing money

besides possibly expediting the reclaim and the occasional refuel

but those costs are marginal

compared to losing like 1.4mil in a cat at worst

[ebon cedar]

Yeah. It's relaxing knowing you're safe. Cargo losing 1.4M sounds a lot but actually when doing 6 times 10min trade only (1h) to earn it. Unless you're really unlucky...

[odd hinge]

how do you do 6 runs in that time?

The average Hurston <-> arial laranite run takes atleast 20~30 mins

[lofty crest]

local runs are super easy for me I played a trader in elite and now that was super boring

[ebon cedar]

I know some ppl making 6M in a few hours. They don't get hit by 30ks sometimes during days. They don't care. Also there is more stable time than others

[odd hinge]

Still, no way can you do 6 laranite runs in an hour

If you think you do them that quickly i recommend actually timing your runs

[lofty crest]

i wish i spend most of my time trying to land in area 18 lmao

[ebon cedar]

Not laranite. It's more than 10mins. Roughly 15 20

Stupid subway.

[odd hinge]

yeah, the laranite runs have some massive time hits

[lofty crest]

hopefully itll get more stable and more fun with pirates and the such

[odd hinge]

mainly the trains are an isssue

both taking long, and the RNG of when they arrive

[lofty crest]

make it more dangerous but more rewarding

[odd hinge]

then you also have the rotation of the planet that has an influence

because having to bounce off of OM's makes the time even longer

[ebon cedar]

I don't do any trades involving planets citites. Too much issues and very annoying

I tried again and again.

The laranite one. I hate it.

[odd hinge]

laranite is the best raw profit atm though

[ebon cedar]

Not really considering timing. High % but after many optimization I prefer another one

Safer also IMO

Less 30k exposure

[odd hinge]

you have the same 30K exposure

just less money loss when you get hit by one

[ebon cedar]

Yeah maybe. With a friend also I can win some minutes while he's doing afk stuff

Like not landing

Sounds like a detail but when repeating a very short run again and again. Not so bad

Mining also can be optimized with 2 instead of one prospector.

Just sceptic with ppl claiming making "millions" with a MOLE

[lofty crest]

i did horribly with a mole maybe it was just bad rng

[odd hinge]

I mean

a mole can pull in around 750K i think at 100% quant

but that is a rare find

to find that much quantanium

[ebon cedar]

It does not matter. Cargo is absolutely not the bottleneck

The issue is rock finding.

[odd hinge]

yup

[ebon cedar]

3 prospect searching 3x times more areas are much better

Long term

[odd hinge]

i've had cases with my prospector where i pulled in 200K within 15 minutes

other cases where i literally had only found 1 laranite rock after an hour of flying..

[ebon cedar]

Same don't worry. I gave a 2M prospect to a friend. He was excited and mined 3h. No luck

[odd hinge]

dont forget the helix as well

[ebon cedar]

I would love to know how improve searching...

[odd hinge]

as without a helix the best you can get is like 20K for a full load

[ebon cedar]

I stopped the belt for that. Yeah oc. Helix mandatory.

I never mined without it. Him neither

I 've got some real troubles finding QT on Yela surface now. I'm doing Agricium quickly now to not waste too much time.

15-20min stable 80k instead of searching hours the perfect QT rock

And I can still find one by chance

[woeful gazelle]

my average in the Yela belt is still around 200k per hour

[azure prawn]

I wanna mine but idk if its more profitable then delivering boxes(im talking bout hand mining)

[woeful gazelle]

hand mining isn't very profitable
like I'd say you get around 15k per hour as a rough estimate
with boxes you can make much more if you have the routes figured out

[azure prawn]

i already have the route

Crusader-Microtech FTL missions

[woeful gazelle]

I think my brother made around 100k per hour in the end as he was an expert in the deliveries ^^ I never bothered too much

[azure prawn]

I made about 350K but i wanna gain money faster

[woeful gazelle]

350K total or per hour?

[azure prawn]

Total

(Excluding the lost 160K lost from persistence)

[woeful gazelle]

if you have a decent combat ship try going to Hurston and doing the legal assassination missions and the ECN alerts

[azure prawn]

but im not a fighter person

[woeful gazelle]

fair

what ships do you have?

[azure prawn]

Pisces

[woeful gazelle]

well you have the Freelancer too, I guess. maybe this will help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieJUYablq3Y

[azure prawn]

Thats how i lost my money in 3.8

by a 30k

while doing that

[woeful gazelle]

well, don't invest all in one run. first rule of trading

[azure prawn]

i did the half and i lost it

i had bout 50K that time

[lofty crest]

invest half until you can afford to do max twice

[woeful gazelle]

I mean there isn't much else other than deliveries, mining, fighting and trading

trading bad because of 30ks
mining only good in ships
deliveries boring
and you're not a fighter
🤷

an option would be to rent a prospector for a few days and put a helix on it. I'm not recommending that because there's always the possibility to lose the helix. but it can make you good money if you know how to use it well

[echo parrot]

@woeful gazelle i didn't quite understand something in that video, what's the catch with the latter cargo?

[woeful gazelle]

you probably mean the illegal cargo?

[echo parrot]

Oh is it the illegal cargo?

Would i get in trouble if i do those?

[woeful gazelle]

a) you can get scanned by police security and get a crime stat
b) you might not be able to sell it all at once, illegal cargo is infamous for only being accepted droplets at a time; this one should be better but still might not be super fast to sell

[echo parrot]

So stick with normal method?

[woeful gazelle]

well, risk vs reward

[echo parrot]

What happens when i get scanned?

[woeful gazelle]

unsure myself, never done the illegal stuff myself
but from what I gathered you get a crimestat, then they start shooting at you (since surrendering isn't in the game yet) and when you die, you go to prison
if you somehow escape (or kill them) you could hack away your crimestat, but that all takes time and a bit of money (the hacking devices cost between 5k and 10k)

[echo parrot]

I did the hacking method (got cs for no reason) but was wondering if i could get away after the scan

[woeful gazelle]

I once accidentally shot a security ship during a dog fight and they're rather fast. I did log out in the end before they could destroy me 😛

also depends on if they have quantum dampeners.

since then you can't jump away while they chase you

[echo parrot]

You can't?

Well if you get caught it's game over then

[woeful gazelle]

I mean you could always shoot them if you have a ship that can deal with that 😛

although there might be reinforcements. I never tried

not into the criminal gameplay myself. and I'm trying to see how long I can stay out of prison 😅

[echo parrot]

Before the game releases i would like to see how it is

Comitting a very small crime like trespassing

Just to see inside

😅

[woeful gazelle]

I've watched a few videos, that's enough for me tbh 😛

[azure prawn]

I love getting 30Ked while mining

and i think i lost my gear

welp, i guess i lost my 85% Hadanite load

[real vessel]

did any of you try the ship logout and hangar method that was posted to reddit yesterday?

claiming to save ships/cargo from the dreaded 30k

I was going to give it a go this afternoon

https://old.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/hhhyxk/are_you_tired_or_30s_ruining_your_trading_fear_no/

for reference

[azure prawn]

Server saved my stuff thank god

[real vessel]

glad to hear

[azure prawn]

so i dont have to be mad cuz i mined for 1 Hr and while exiting the cave i got an 30K

[woeful gazelle]

your personal inventory should always stay, except when you die

[lofty dirge]

Supposedly there’s better routes than Arial > lorville
Ones that make more than 350k/run with a cat

[odd hinge]

i don't think there are any materials that give more raw profit than laranite

as the only things that give more, are vice

and those have horrible selling amounts

[lofty dirge]

oof

[rose rain]

so whats the best trading route right now?

[real vessel]

i dont know if there is one best route

new to it myself but it seems that there are lots of equal ones if you check out Gallog.co

[odd hinge]

i personally just run HDMS-Lathan (Arial) to Lorville (Hurston)

[real vessel]

Question for traders here, I am currently running Laranite with my freelancer, with an end goal of getting a Caterpillar. At some point, I feel like I will need to upgrade the ship in order to get to caterpillar money any time soon

recomendations on next ship or upgrades to help me get to the caterpillar?

[odd hinge]

atm the largest you can buy before the caterpillar is the freelancer max

and that one costs 2.1 mil

Not sure how worth that one is to buy tbh

seeing how it has 120 SCU

if you go for 4 mil you can get 560