Yeah I've had a few fights but can count on 2 hands how many were good
#industrial-professions
primal ether
primal ether
Do you know offhand if cutty blue is purchaseable in game or is it pledge only
Because I like it and it's probably really good for pvp due to QD restriction but idk if i trust
arctic blaze
not purchasable in game
primal ether
rip kk
regal light
turbid plinth
yo this is unreal. Scrap @ Cru L1 is bought out
haha
also, my ship keeps getting stored in random stations midflight
i think the autostore is being suuper delayed
arctic blaze
always check refresh rate and stock at gallog before starting a route u dont know
the refresh time is the same for everything
4 minutes
sometimes less sometimes more based on unknown circumstances
avarage is 4m
plain rain
Gallog isn't consistently updated, it's a decent reference but don't rely
Just switch trading spots...
arctic blaze
gallog is an excellent tool to get around the best trading stations
reefresh rates and max stock never once failed me
the preset routes can be better tho
but right now really there arent that many good routes that one may think
plain rain
Im just trying to get into mining tbh
arctic blaze
too rng imo
plain rain
same with trading to an extent haha
arctic blaze
imho mining is more like, decently succesful to wasted time, while trading is insanely succesful to insane waste of time
its about the risk one is willing to take
plain rain
Its just time to chill, watch spaceforce, and fly some space ships
arctic blaze
yeah thats it
mining goes along
but meh, they should boost it a little in terms of profit
2.1m plus mHead for a prospector right now aint worth it compared to 4.7m for a cat
not even close
plain rain
I just have a Mole lol
arctic blaze
you solo it?
plain rain
Uh sometimes
plain rain
never dealt with it
arctic blaze
but u have to swap from pilot seat to mining turret each time dont you
plain rain
yea
which is like 10 seconds
prob 20 maybe
but still
96 space vs like 34 or whatever too
arctic blaze
go for a beautiful cat
arctic blaze
that ship man
plain rain
I also have a carrack
arctic blaze
its pure gold
arctic blaze
nah ramming is broken
shield aint really mattering rn
i literally crushed a reclamer with a 600i
nonsense
arctic blaze
i ran over a reclamer with a 600i
i mean i literally cut it in half
without taking any damage
plain rain
Ive hit planets going 1000 in a carrack and bounced off 0 damage lol
arctic blaze
yeah collission damage is somewhat really random
u can sometimes explode by the msallest of touch
and survive by literally ramming something that shouldnt be even remotely rammable
woeful moss
cat is love, cat is life
unless you're lucky like me, try to offload at lorville, clip into the no fly zone a little bit and get autopilot to destroy you
bye bye credits
arctic blaze
oh come one they fixed the wind
if u wander into autopilot zone now its entirely ur fault ;|
woeful moss
oh and it's my fault, that autopilot is broken and destroys you too?
I've landed there a dozen times without problem
it was one of the hangars that right next to the no fly
arctic blaze
no what a meant, is that there is a specific method to land into big cities-like hangar
arctic blaze
which is to completely dive vertically
woeful moss
nose down?
woeful moss
ahhh okay thanks. Sorry my flight instructor didn't tell me when I got the license 😄
arctic blaze
haha
woeful moss
so how do I do it?
arctic blaze
get right above it
woeful moss
when to I got back to horizontal?
arctic blaze
and dive into it nose down
turbid plinth
i check gallog. i know my way around trading
arctic blaze
gradually adjusting the position as u land
turbid plinth
just funny. There're an intense amount of scrap trading going on
arctic blaze
u go back to orizontal once u are inside the hangar
turbid plinth
lotta babies in rented cats i assume
arctic blaze
ur wleomce
turbid plinth
CRU-L1 is up to 1.52 uec/unit from 1.35. Christ
arctic blaze
and yeah, trading right now, aint worth it
turbid plinth
obliterated
turbid plinth
and oh god does the cat lag
with a full bay
scrap is oversupplied. Now ive seen it all
pallid temple
No point in trading anyway because landing at stations/landing zones is fucked again
turbid plinth
has TDD or CBD hit cap as well? now im just curious
anyone did diamond or titanium over this weekend?
pallid temple
I picked up about 500SCU of Diamond about a day ago, 30k'd and that's fucked
Picked up 66SCU of Titanium about and hour ago and again that's fucked
woeful gazelle
*laughs in quantainium mining
I made 800k UEC today in the last 3.5 hours
with some smaller breaks in between
arctic blaze
never once i saw tdd or cbd hitting lara/tita cap lol)
if they ve hit it, quit trading really
glass aspen
If you are smuggling, how do you hide your goods?
turbid plinth
@woeful gazelle that is luck of the gods
back to back 100%?
that is some serious big dick numbers
doing the math here. assuming 1/2 an hour per run you'd still need at least 50% quantanium every go
blissful rain
Bugged out during doing a simple delivery mission that I spent half an hour doing! Is there a safer quicker way of getting money?
The elevator wasn't working at the destination I had to deliver the package...
And then when I try to float to the next landing pad the box fell out of my hand aid and I crashed into the other landing pad with my leg broken and died within seconds
primal ether
Boxes are about as safe as it gets
No risk only reward
Go to Hurston do the ones from your personal tab there
turbid plinth
combat is safer in that its less buggy. but the payout is less
primal ether
You wanna pick boxes up from Reclamation and Disposal Orinth and run them to The Orphanage and some others
worldly trout
I've had a lot of luck stalking the legal box delivery missions from the same place to NB. 6-12 boxes, 6-8k each
flying all around NB might be tedious for some but I enjoy it
primal ether
yeah it's just lower UEC/hr and has the added chance of getting fucked by some bugs
like the elevator one
worldly trout
ah! but the delivery to NB happens outside the city, no elevators
but yeah, more time for crashes because more boxes
and it doesn't mess with your, whatsitcalled, integrity stat
blissful rain
so u pick up a bunch of boxed that all get delivered to the same place?
worldly trout
so the delivery missions are based roughly on where you are. So if your at area 18 or po or whatever and you just watch the delivery missions
worldly trout
eventually and with a bit of luck you'll find several that are going from the same moon to "a landing pad in nb"
blissful rain
but half the time i do it i never success due to 30k crashes or some stupid bug
worldly trout
yeah, hopefully the crashes will calm down when free fly is over :/
blissful rain
ive had to use a US VPN CONNECTION just to login and play :S
woeful gazelle
@turbid plinth I did have some very nice Q rocks there. but I also had a "bad" run where I only brought back 36k due to the cargo being bugged. average run length is 30-35 minutes
turbid plinth
daym now i gotta try me some of that
livid verge
@woeful gazelle that in a Mole or a Prossy?
woeful gazelle
Prospector
when you idle after a Q-run and the ship gets automatically stored and then you respawn it, and get back into it, sit in the pilot seat, hear the beepbeepbeepbeep noise and just have time to think "uh, oh!" before you blow up
and afterwards you have this bug, too
woeful gazelle
just had a 20 minute run with 256k profit 🤷♂️
novel nacelle
Has anyone tried logging-out in bed as soon as they collect a load of cargo? I know you would have to get to a 'safe, empty' spot first, but if its a long, expensive haul, it may save you in case of 30k...? The landing-zone instant blowup is still an issue, but the nose-landing seems to be a good solution there...
woeful gazelle
what would be the benefits of logging out? you have to log in again and then you have the same amount of risk still
novel ore
Do we need a bigger power plant on the Prospector to run the Helix? I kept running out of power while mining yesterday
Seemed buggy though cause it was happening when I wasn't even mining
worldly trout
I've wondered the same thing. I hear that the thrusters can use a lot of energy and you can tone down the power curves there, but it doesn't happen all the time so idk
novel ore
Hmm, I will look through the list of power plants to see if I can find one that is better
turbid plinth
is there a bug with mining outposts not detecting ship cargo?
woeful gazelle
I've never changed the power plant on the Prospector and I've been totally fine. it's a S2 Powerplant and I can't imagine it drawing too little power
I've only changed the laser and the quantum drive though. maybe if you put some different shields on or whatnot
blissful rain
and for 3.: once you have a Helix mining laser (costs 108k but it's hand downs the best one) you should mine in the Yela asteroid field, before that I'd recommend yela surface
@woeful gazelle will the default mining tool that comes with the prospector be fine? i only have around 50k
So far as I know:
- Yes.
- You lose it unless you were docked/stored your ship (Due to not being able to get back to wherever your ship was to begin with)
- Lyria, Daymar, Yela I believe
@primal ether ok so anywhere in Lyria Daymer and Yela i can start mining? do i just hover to those planets and use TAB to scan?
topaz zephyr
Finally got a prospector . Any tips for good moons to mine on?
blissful rain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCDID8wFtLM @topaz zephyr watch this
woeful gazelle
@woeful gazelle will the default mining tool that comes with the prospector be fine? i only have around 50k
@blissful rain the default one is crap. you want to save up to a Helix right away. you could probably use a Klein laser as an intermediate solution, it's only 10k afaik
primal ether
@blissful rain Go down to about 1.5km above surface and scan away yeah
naive maple
when you idle after a Q-run and the ship gets automatically stored and then you respawn it, and get to back into it, sit in the pilot seat, hear the beepbeepbeepbeep noise and just have time to think "uh, oh!" before you blow up
@woeful gazelle Oh man!... when that happened to me with the beeping when i got back in... it was because the game glitch was allowing me to sell the quantanium twice!
woeful gazelle
yeah I always make sure my cargo is empty but Quantainium is just too bugged atm. luckily in both directions so you lose some, you win some
weary pulsar
drifting flower
i just watched the price of buying diamonds and titanium on this trade terminal go up.
guess the prices really aren't sttatic
turbid plinth
no they aren't. i believe it works based on the refresh timer.
whenever the store tries to refresh stock, it checks for 2 cases:
- if the inventory is 0, it will raise the price
- if the inventory is max, it will lower the price
obv its done on a curve. the price will never reach 0, or be higher than a set maximum price (that'd commonly be the higher number on gallog)
@weary pulsar prospector. you waste a lot of time jumping seats flying the mole solo
as far as tips go, have the scanner at 2x magnification and above. 1x is kinda buggy in this patch. doesn't detect rocks accurately, or at all sometimes
drifting flower
@turbid plinth So is this a test for the dynamic economy? Is it actually checking what other players are buying and selling system wide or is simply just locally like you mentioned? Does the same apply for places buying commodities? Do they check how often they receive a resource and lower the selling price at the terminal?
arctic blaze
the basics are the more people buy the higher the prices, for more technical info perhaps u should ask on gallog discord
high demand raises the prices while low demand lowers it
gritty flume
are cargo runs doable now?
ebon moon
Cargo was bonked before free week anyway with teh 30k risk
worldly trout
btw, there is some dynamic pricing in the game
I couldn't sell all my cargo at a station, logged off, came back the next day and sold the rest at a higher price
turbid plinth
yea stay off cargo for the next couple of hours
the server wipes out around this time
blissful rain
When has 30k crash introduced?
blissful rain
Since when? 3.0?
hollow sedge
anyone having problems with not being able to pick up ore or use mobiglass after some minutes in a cave?
like third time it happens today, mid cave I break a rock and can't pick up anything, nor use the mobi until I run to ship and sit down
proud smelt
New at cargo and game in general
I mainly stack delivery missions
Make like 12k in 30min
Is this good?
I use the freelancer and just wonder if I should buy cargo and sell
hollow sedge
dont do cargo before you have money you can afford to lose
if you are a little lucky and stack deliveries from daymar to new babbage you can get 40-50k per hour
look for the 6-8k range, usually daymar or lyria to new babbage, easy drop off, easy money
karmic nimbus
how do you split profits if mining w/ multiple prospectors?
worldly trout
why would you need to split money if everyone has their own mining ship?
anyway... the only way to transfer money now is via beacons
karmic nimbus
i figure if your breaking apart a valuable rock, there will only be a few chunks that are good
worldly trout
two prospectors at one rock seems pretty inefficient. Now the mole has two mining stations and the pilot can't mine so paying people is important
karmic nimbus
gotcha
worldly trout
there is a payment app coming in game soon, but nobody knows when
since so many rocks are trash the prospectors would probably be better off going in opposite directions
drifting flower
they could mine their own rocks but help each other if a particular rock is tougher to crack solo
frosty turtle
Hey everyone, do you think doing trade between mines and stations is viable with a titan?
gritty flume
you'd be making very little profit doing cargo with the titan
it's better to do the 15K deliveries
you could make around 60K by accepting the 4 deliveries at hurston, takes around 45 minutes to deliver them
ebon moon
Is the hoftede laser or Klein laser better?
90k if you pick up the 2 from Orphanage and deliver
frosty turtle
We can pick up those contracts at hurston? So far (in 2 days of game play that is ) I've made 60k in deliveries from olisar to Babbage. But it was tiresome and boring
arctic blaze
pick 15k deliveries...
frosty turtle
I've never has access to them
gritty flume
@frosty turtle go to hurston and open your mobiglass, go to the missions tab>personal>deliveries
frosty turtle
Alright will do thanks. I was also thinking about getting a greycat from levski to help me out with the pick ups
gritty flume
No problem 👍, you can pretty much land right next to the pickup building and take off, you won't really be needing the greycat for these deliveries
worldly trout
yeah, that'd probably just get in the way
frosty turtle
The problem is that when the pick ups are from the same building you have to pick up the box and store it in the ship, and repeat
gritty flume
yeah but you can land right next to the building takes literally 2 minutes to walk back forth 4 times
frosty turtle
One time I landed so fast I destroyed a wing
gritty flume
hahah yeah you need to land carefully, at all times 😆
worldly trout
yeah, I def don't land on the pad lol, but as close to the door as possible
gritty flume
i land almost in front of the stairs
frosty turtle
I really think they need to streamline the procedure of picking up and delivering packages, at least a bit
Do you use vtol mode for landing?
gritty flume
not with the titan, does it even have vtol mode?
but with the cutlass i do use vtol mode
frosty turtle
It does have one
karmic nimbus
anyone in a less populated server that's wiling to send me an invite? Wnat to avoid full servers to see if that reduces the game crashes I have been having
topaz zephyr
is there an website that updates the prices of minerals?
pallid temple
Gallog is player updated
gritty flume
ah i see thnx for the info
prisma elk
Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, would anyone be willing to let me a friend borrow a prospector for a few hours we want to see what it's like before spending anything?
hollow sedge
you can also rent it for 40k
go do some mining, even with shit head and fps mining you can recoup the cost
woeful gazelle
fps mining isn't really a thing anymore - you can't detect FPS nodes with a ship scanner since 3.9
woeful gazelle
just ship-minables
topaz zephyr
so how do you see fps minables? you litterally have to walk around on the ground and thr symbol will appear to mine?
woeful gazelle
kinda. I mean you can still do it decently in caves, but forget surfaces
not that it's particularly interesting for a high-end miner with quantanium going on nowadays
woeful gazelle
I've kept book and my average per hour is around 220k
hollow sedge
wtf
woeful gazelle
however this doesn't include downtime or anything. I start timing when I spawn the ship and I stop the timer when I sell my load
hollow sedge
are the prices static like the fps mineables?
topaz zephyr
interesting. i didnt know they fixed the belt mining
hollow sedge
seems I will be hard farming for prospector
woeful gazelle
Quantanium is worth 88 uec per unit
compared to Laranite which has about 30.25 that's almost triple
hollow sedge
you have to run back and sell in 10 min no?
woeful gazelle
yeah but that doesn't matter. if you find a decent Q-rock you make your cargo full with it, unless it breaks down perfectly
decent = anything above 10%
only start collecting the stones once you've broken down everything completely then you'll never have to worry about the time of it going volatile
woeful gazelle
the Helix mining head is must have. I also use consumables occasionally, but try to do it without em most of the time. only if it takes to long I use Optimum (often also to try to counteract server lag) or if a big stone is about to go critical I jam some Rime which immediately cools it down
my consumable slots are 1: Optimum, 2: Optimum, 3: Rime
kind yoke
woeful gazelle
nah, never
woeful gazelle
one more reason to go asteroid mining I guess 😄
hollow sedge
Always have issues trying to asteroid mine. Scanner will make blocks with nothing in it and what not
shut estuary
How do I scan an asteroid with the ARGO Mole
hollow sedge
Same way you scan with a prospecter or any other ship
shut estuary
thats what I thought. I'm scanning but I only see one tiny yellow box and it disapears right away
shut estuary
which is why I am asking here
hollow sedge
Go read the mining guide if you're struggling to use the scanner correctly
shut estuary
I did that already. Which, again, is why I'm asking here. Thank you for being so helpful.
marsh umbra
is yela belt only place to mine in space right now without despawn of roids?
digital ferry
How would people outfit a catepillar? Is it worth upgrading the shield to something like a parapet?
brave agate
Beware getting the Helix mining head. I have lost 2 of them so far off my prospector. They just dissappeared
turbid plinth
@digital ferry the stock cat is pretty close to its max performance tbh. i looked up upgrades and its only 10-15% better in places
woeful gazelle
@shut estuary @hollow sedge
here's a small scanning guide I wrote:
if you're in scanning mode and use the mouse wheel, it will "zoom" the scan. x1 is 360° (aka all around you), x2 is 180° (so everything in front of you), x4 is 90° (cone) and from there on out you can basically see the covered area on your hud. the higher the "zoom", the farther it will go. I'd usually recommend scanning at x2 or x4 if you wanna go in one direction.
scanning in an asteroid field is a bit different: the scanner pings go a lot farther as they don't have to travel over "useless" terrain. when you get closer to the target, you should keep spamming the ping. at x2 or x4 you with 50% scan you get around 8-10k range and then when the target gets closer you can reduce the charge even more and spam even faster. this way you'll always have overlapping boxes and make sure you are actually getting closer to your target and don't lose it
IF however you lose it anway, that's an oddity in the scan system as it will try to "combine" multiple seperate clusters of minables by putting the cube in the middle of them - in which case it's possible there aren't any minables in the area of the cube itself. so of the cube suddenly jumps by quite a lot, it usually means you have multiple different deposits near you. I usually stop the ship and then either spam a x2 scan in different directions or just do a 50-70% x1 scan which should pick up anything nearby.
also be vigilant as sometimes you happen to randomly fly by one of the deposits and it'll show up only as a small rock icon on the side of your screen.
you can also overclock your Ping in the MFD in the Items tab of the Power display which makes the cooldown shorter.
blissful rain
Spent about an hour on dayner and only could find diamond minerals as the highest valued item and even then I only got 3.5k worth of it (I had maybe 30 percent of my overall capacity in my prospector of it
woeful gazelle
try Yela surface, it has Laranite and Agricium in decent quantities. if you're looking for Quantainium I'd recommend the Yela Belt however
@blissful rain
blissful rain
ok cool thx
woeful moss
Somewhere I also read that 1x scanner seems to be more bugged right now than when scanning 2x
play around with it
the closer you get to the target, the more you can just tap spam
turbid plinth
yea 1x is wonky atm. i just use 2x all the way
blissful rain
Ok I'll use 2x. Anything higher is no point?
Do I just go to any area of a moon or is there a specific area in say yale I need to be?
woeful moss
I fly over the whole planet. In some guide I saw someone said the rock spawn at the same place over and over, but I have no idea
if that's true
2x on planets is enough in asteroid you can do 1x once in a while. But as we said, it's kinda wonky and might miss something
woeful moss
It literally tells you on the screen what's up :d
@blissful rain https://space4games.com/en/games-en/star-citizen-mining/
there
check that out
it explains everything in detail
Best guide out there
blissful rain
It literally tells you on the screen what's up :d
@woeful moss Damm I need a better mining tool
woeful gazelle
buy the one for 10k, should help in the beginning
woeful moss
I'm not sure if that is correct. If you're on port olisar
just check the dumpers
if not then be safe and go to one of the other spots
woeful gazelle
yeah true, they added a bunch of mining stuff there
it also doesn't show the helix and I'm 100% I've bought it on P.O. at least twice 😛
blissful rain
This one?
woeful gazelle
yes
it's much better than the standard laser but you do want to get the Helix at some point, as it is the non-plus-ultra that can crack any rock
woeful gazelle
it should
blissful rain
Ok sure
woeful gazelle
if you're having trouble with stability, maybe get a batch of Optimum, too
blissful rain
Just got it
woeful gazelle
have fun
blissful rain
How to attach it?
woeful gazelle
the ship needs to be in storage, then you go to the vehicle manager in the mobiglas and equip it there. if there's a red lock symbol on the ship, you can't do it for some reason or other
woeful moss
There's a bug where you can do it anywhere you are
just sit in the ship
open vehicle customizer in mobiglass
and wait
don't pick anything from dropdown
you will see your ship and can change it there
anywhere you are 😛
woeful gazelle
I know it works for the consumables but I haven't dared to do it with any proper ship equipment yet
woeful moss
Works for equipment too
even on rentals
just take of the equipment you bought before you log off
lost a helix that way before
that hurt 😄
woeful gazelle
I've lost 2 helixes already due to servers being wonky on 3.9.0 🤷♂️
you usually have it back after one Quantainium run 😛
woeful moss
yeah if your ship doesn't blow up
Once it started blinking yellow and then it just jumped to dark red in a matter of like 1 minute
boom
no chance
😄
blissful rain
I've lost 2 helixes already due to servers being wonky on 3.9.0 🤷♂️
you usually have it back after one Quantainium run 😛
@woeful gazelle how can you grab that without a helix? Lol
Can a prospector grab that material?
woeful gazelle
yeah, but I'd definitely wait for a Helix
I just had enough money lying around to immediately buy another Helix
blissful rain
Cool
woeful gazelle
if you bring home 2 decent loads with agricium / laranite you should be able to afford the helix from that alone
blissful rain
I got the prospector free due to buying the vulture I think it was
woeful gazelle
yup
woeful moss
correct
woeful gazelle
Vulture has Prospector and Buccaneer as loaner afaik
woeful moss
yep
woeful gazelle
which is funny because it's the same price as the Prospector
woeful moss
mining ship and dirty window ship
blissful rain
However u get two ship loaner
woeful gazelle
exactly. so it's a way better deal for the same amount of money
and I'm here with my Aurora LN starter pack and all that manually earned money and those manually earned ships 😄
Prospector, Cutlass Black, Sabre Comet and also a bunch of ground vehicles
woeful moss
you earned all that with uac or what its called?
woeful moss
yeah and alpha united earth credits
Thanks for explaining
I will forget it again anyways 😄
wow not bad @woeful gazelle but what when you loose them all due to a bug
or a character reset
Or new patch
woeful gazelle
I did about a dozen character resets, the persistance stays
woeful moss
Once in a while something can get lost
I lost a ground vehicle that way
all other resets nothing happened
woeful gazelle
they're rather inexpensive, so I wouldn't mind that. with 3.9 I lost all my money except 10000, which was about a million
luckily I kept the Prospector
woeful moss
Okay not bad
woeful gazelle
there will be a complete wipe at the latest when the game goes to beta, so I'm expecting to lose my stuff at some point
blissful rain
@woeful gazelle o my u got all those sips without spending a single dime in real money?
how?
woeful moss
Maybe until that happens you will ccu your aurora
woeful gazelle
(Quantainium) Mining mostly
woeful moss
mining or trading are the way to go
blissful rain
cool
woeful moss
when game is unstable mining is safer
if you feel cheeky you can do almost 400k in a trading run with caterpillar
of course you need a lot of cash and a caterpillar to do that first
blissful rain
drake caterplla?
woeful moss
yeah
blissful rain
that ships mental
woeful gazelle
a friend of mine went crazy on the mining and bought himself a Caterpillar and then did a bunch of trading. but after Quantainium was put onto the servers, trading just pales in comparison to Q-mining
woeful gazelle
especially because you always have the risk of losing like a million credits at once
woeful moss
You must be really lucky or know a secret I dont with Q-mining 😄
yeah the risk is high
blissful rain
i have not found any in yela after doing it for 40mins
woeful gazelle
I haven't found any on Yela surface yet but people tell me there's Q there
woeful gazelle
I pretty much only go into the Yela belt
blissful rain
really?
i thought belts are a no no
that guide u posted said so that its pointless as the rocks dissapear
woeful gazelle
I don't think I posted that guide
it's a decent starting point to get an overview but imho many of the aspects are somewhat outdated or don't tell you the full story and/or vital details
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BdWd1pui75WVU8BDMGFg-UemhipyKpPB1RgdVC21Bxg/edit?usp=sharing
lunar smelt
anyone kno how to make money with mining i only seem to get bout 5-7k with the prospector and ive upgraded the mining laser
woeful gazelle
on the spreadsheet I posted above you can check the 3.9.1 and the 3.9.0 tab for the runs I've done
I start timing when I spawn the ship and stop the timer when I sell everything
you can see the calculated profit per hour and stuff
blissful rain
grantedi have only done two runs of 45min each and best i found was diamons
granted*
woeful gazelle
I mostly ignore anything that isn't >5% of Quantainium
blissful rain
trust me, the Yela belt isn't bugged
woeful moss
Yeah
woeful gazelle
as I said, the guide is inaccurate
blissful rain
o ok
woeful moss
Yela is the only one not bugged right now
The guide is usually accurate
But someone just found out that yela is okay
blissful rain
and quantanium can only be found on the belt?
blissful rain
o
woeful gazelle
I found it out with 3.9.0 and the guide has been outdated for a month in this regard
blissful rain
we on 3.9.1 now
woeful moss
Aaron halo is best place but also bugged unless montis tried it
woeful moss
You can always contact the guide writer and ask to update 🙂
Aaron halo was best place when it was still working
woeful gazelle
advantage of Yela is also the very short distance you have to travel
blissful rain
Quantainium u need to deposit in 30mins of grabbing the first batch?
yea yela to port oliser is a piss
woeful moss
grim hex <--> yela basically you're there already 😄
woeful gazelle
I prefer P.O. myself as it has a bigger armistice zone and security
woeful moss
@blissful rain yeah but sometimes it's buggy or maybe it's a feature
I've had it blow up faster already
oh and when you sell
try to sell again
or run to ship, go to seat, go back to terminal and sell again
otherwise your ship might blow up
had that bug a few times already
woeful gazelle
there are a couple of bugs with Q-mining, both for and against your benefit
woeful gazelle
sometimes you lose part of your cargo for no reason, sometimes you can sell twice, sometimes stuff explodes without reason, sometimes you have way more Quantainium than you should
woeful moss
check the german's mining run table
blissful rain
ok
woeful moss
montis posted it
blissful rain
it's a decent starting point to get an overview but imho many of the aspects are somewhat outdated or don't tell you the full story and/or vital details
@woeful gazelle this?
blissful rain
o sorry no
woeful moss
blissful rain
blissful rain
o u got 84k on a 43min run?
woeful moss
thanks for that bt
woeful gazelle
that German guy is me 😛
woeful moss
Konnte ich ja nicht wissen 😄
blissful rain
is a helix required? i got the 10k one instead
woeful moss
Well, thanks for keeping book on the runs
woeful gazelle
yeah, Helix is pretty much necessary
blissful rain
o man i need to save up for helix first
woeful gazelle
I start timing when I spawn the ship and stop the timer when I sell everything
so any idle time isn't calculated in
woeful moss
okay cool
woeful gazelle
there's a small story behind that run @blissful rain
blissful rain
in a prospector?
woeful gazelle
yes
the story is I had a huge field of Q rocks and only so much cargo space. I broke all the good ones up and asked in chat if anyone else is interested in collecting the rest. no one answered but one guy was so kind as to party up and mark the position with his own ship
that's why the run was so fast and so much UEC 😄
woeful moss
haha nice.
blissful rain
lol nice
woeful moss
If you get extremely lucky and can pick up 100% you can make 281k
Oh and another advice with q-mining. break everything down into chunks
blissful rain
but in average run, u can net around 70k in 40mins ish?
woeful moss
and collect them all in the end
don't break down and collect, then break down the next
always break it down first
blissful rain
i thought u break it down until it turns purple?
woeful moss
yeah that's when you can collect it
so you break it down until it's purple
and if you have more rocks
you break them all to purple
With Q
stuff
and then when all you want to take are purple collect them
blissful rain
cool
woeful moss
that way you have the highest chance for the monst amount of time
blissful rain
is there other materials in the yela belt i can grab using that 10k headi just got?
woeful gazelle
yeah there's Laranite
woeful gazelle
there is Borase but it usually breaks into shitty chunks so I usually ignore it
woeful gazelle
sorry but I'm technically working atm 😅
woeful gazelle
I work until 6
woeful gazelle
I live in Ireland, so UK time
blissful rain
ahh k
have pned u
pmed u*
my gamertag
great helpful advice here. love this place
woeful gazelle
if you haven't seen it already, there's some tips on scanning from me here too:
https://discordapp.com/channels/82210263440306176/572706150286622720/717286663855931434
desert loom
@woeful gazelle - you forgot to tell them to overclock their ping
woeful gazelle
you can also overclock your Ping in the MFD in the Items tab of the Power display which makes the cooldown shorter.
happy? 😄
desert loom
lol
yeah
also you can scout on planet surfaces without needing to use your scanner
woeful gazelle
yeah but the thing was mainly aimed at astroid scanning
desert loom
minable rocks will render before non-minable rocks. Just make sure you're at ~700 altitude
oh ok
desert loom
there are a number out there
woeful moss
@desert loom thx that's nice advice too
woeful gazelle
I know but I haven't found one that focuses on the most important parts
although the DigThat32 vid is pretty good
short and sweet too
desert loom
the most important parts IMO are:
- have fun
- Yela surface is awesome, just scout at 700 altitude and look for rock clusters of 3+
- Only split rocks with >200 agricium or >150 laranite (edit: quantanium is also great)
- Target ~15% laranite/agricium mininum shard size
desert loom
the non-minable ones will still spawn but nearly below you
woeful moss
Recommended flight speed?
desert loom
400-500 m/s you will want to suicide burn (180 and use main thrusters) to stop
also use decoupled mode
saves fuel
woeful moss
decoupled works on planets? I thought gravity would pull you down then. Sorry if I ask stupid questions
flip and burn to break... okay
desert loom
not on moons when you're going 400-500m/s
p much like outerspace
especially with no atmosphere (like Yela)
also very important
do not stop for rock clusters of 2 or smaller
its a waste of time and fuel
most of my money comes from size 6+ clusters
woeful gazelle
I've never used decoupled on Yela surface. you have to turn it off when going in to mine though, don't you?
woeful moss
yeah. you just use it to glide over the planet if I understood correctly
then you flip and burn
to stop
then couple again
mine
desert loom
yup^
woeful gazelle
👍
not that I care too much anyway as I'm married to the Yela Belt 😛
woeful moss
how much money do you make on average dad?
desert loom
and just use ctrl/space/arrow keys to keep your vector above the planet horizon
uhhh, mining is super variable b/c you can find a cluster of quantanium rocks and take home 150k in under 30 min
woeful moss
Thx guys btw for all the advice
desert loom
on average i net about 150k an hour I would say
maybe a bit less in a prospector
cuz you end up leaving more ore behind on the big finds
mining with a friend is hugely helfpul cuz you can tag team and save locations
woeful moss
but then of course profits gets divided by 2
desert loom
oh no
i mean with 2 prospectors
or more
finding the valuable rocks is the biggest bottleneck in mining
the more scouts you have teh better
woeful moss
yeah but the more people want the valuable rocks too or not?
desert loom
in my org we will pay people to rent prospectors and just find valuable rocks
nah you only help each other out on big finds
woeful moss
haha nice
desert loom
like 8+ rocks
or if you cannot mine the rock
otherwise you go diff directions and its businness as usual
woeful gazelle
it probably averages out if you have multiple people
desert loom
not really, solo mole mining is the most profitable
having more people in the mole is only good if you have a bunch of scouts finding rock spawns
woeful moss
Or duo mine and kill your partner 😆
woeful gazelle
I meant multiple Prospectors
desert loom
oh i see
it only increases profitability if you do it right
essentially you only team-up when you encounter spawns you cannot handle alone
8+ quantanium rocks and youre at 80% capacity?
have your buddy QT to you so you can sell while he mines and then you can QT back
woeful gazelle
yeah exactly. I usually mine parallel to my brother and if we come to a bigger field we just jump to each other respectively
woeful moss
nice, gotta make my brotha a miner too
desert loom
also even if they can only scan (E.g., terrapin/carrack/cutty red/rented prosp) they can just find ores for you to mine and once you start mining they can just start looking again
1 scout or less per miner is probably the sweet spot
brave agate
hey, is anyone getting a mining bug where everything is inert after it goes purple?
orchid warren
@brave agate Yes, we had that a few days ago.
orchid warren
sry, don't know a work around yet 🤷♂️
tender river
So anyone else get the bug where it show the caterpillar with 460 scu instead of the 476 like its supposed to?
woeful gazelle
@brave agate that's an odd bug. have you tried switching servers / server regions?
tender river
no person, no stowaway, the ship is stored
brave agate
screw it i have a catapillar, whats a good trading site with at least semi current pricing
i only got 80k but its a start
woeful gazelle
don't put all your money in one basket though
brave agate
i was mining, but its either bugged or i keep losing my helix mining head randomly and i gain no money
because i keep having to replace it
woeful gazelle
that sucks
brave agate
no
brave agate
i bought it with real money, its mine
blissful rain
fucksakes
raise a ticket with cig
seriously
the prospector is usless with the standard head
brave agate
all they will do is say "alpha" and that is that
blissful rain
can u buy a prospector with that helix head already?
brave agate
i have the konstat, but mining anything worth anything with it is near impossible without dying
the heat meter is so inconsitant and jumpy, its extremely hard to control
with the helix i can make a crapload
blissful rain
konstat is the 10k one?
brave agate
and no, the prospector does not come with it nor can you buy one
konstat is 12k
power 2500
woeful gazelle
you mean the Hofstede?
brave agate
my bad, klein
s1
i am tired
hofstede is weaker but less jumpy, cant really mine the big money rocks with it at all
blissful rain
what can u mine then?
woeful gazelle
well, it's still much better than the standard laser
and 10k isn't too much in the grand scheme of things tbh
blissful rain
With a KLein, how much could i mine in an hour? obviouslu not 70-80k like in the helix
brave agate
you can mine with it, i did. but never do larinite or high count agricum, it jumps too much and the rock will blow
and quantinium, forget it
woeful gazelle
have you tried with consumables?
blissful rain
but i could already mne diamonds and gold with the stock one?
what benefits is the klein then?
brave agate
it can, but like i said, they will have a very, very small green protion
woeful gazelle
I think it depends on the concentration
blissful rain
witha helix, is it very very easy?
brave agate
very, no.. but very doable
woeful gazelle
sounds like a challenge. I'll get a Klein and see what I can mine 😛
blissful rain
😛
brave agate
i have gotten quantinium with it. a 2% rock.. it still blew but not enough to kill me
that was a pain in the .......
brave agate
no, the rock overloaded, but not enough to produce a lethal explosion
blissful rain
ahh ok
brave agate
lost an engine and my shields were gone. but i limped it back
woeful gazelle
numpad 8 will put more power on your front shields for those kind of situations
brave agate
i have just accepted i ssuck at it, thus why i am trading again until i can afford another helix
woeful gazelle
well, sometimes it's server lag, too
brave agate
i made the mistake of using my last mining profits to upgrade my Black
woeful gazelle
well, you could run around Hurston and do ECN alerts and random bounties to somewhat quickly make the money back risk free
brave agate
i suck at combat worse.. my hotas hates SC so my pilot skills here are largely meaningless
woeful gazelle
ECN alerts are 10k a pop and are 1d3 Buccaneers or Andromedas
brave agate
andromedas? those things arent easy unless the npcs are stupid
i have one, 28 missile volley is no joke
woeful gazelle
NPCs are stupid though 😛
woeful gazelle
I've never had an issue fighting andromeda NPC ships
brave agate
npcs have to be stupid to not literally spam the missiles. it has 52 of em
woeful gazelle
🤷♂️
tender river
missles dont really work atm
woeful gazelle
they work for me? 🤨
brave agate
was gonna say
i just burped a 10 volley in a claim jumpers the other day and deleted a cutty
i lost money , not doing that again
woeful gazelle
haha yeah I rarely do use rockets tbh
unless I plan on claiming the ship afterwards
woeful gazelle
maybe I've never noticed since I don't usually use them 😅
obsidian crypt
woeful gazelle
hmmm this actually makes me wonder
@brave agate : how did you usually equip your Helix?
brave agate
? the only way you can. mobiglass
woeful gazelle
yeah but while the ship was stored or while you were sitting in it?
brave agate
stored
woeful gazelle
hm, ok. guess my hunch was incorrect then 🙂 nevermind
brave agate
i literally bought it, got off the terminal at olismar, equipped it, yanked it out of storage and went straight to yella
woeful gazelle
yeah, same as I did
brave agate
made aa 68k run very easily, was happily making bank and then it dissappeared and i freaked out because that thing aint cheap
i bout got pissed and found a system cop to assault just so would get arrested and shank 50 people in jail
to vent my frustration
not to mention force a very long vacation from the game because i am pretty sure my prison time would be in actual years before all was said and done
woeful gazelle
👮 🚨
brave agate
well i busted my ass with that kleinn head just to afford the helix for 2 days
ofc i was pissed
woeful gazelle
you need an org where people would lend you that money
like if I would be broke I'd just have to ask someone to spot me 110k for the helix and I'd have a new one and they'd have their money back in an hour or so
brave agate
that or make one up. doubt if such an org exists and if it does, probably not easy to get into
woeful moss
Grisbane is your prospector a rental?
woeful moss
Okay, advice. Someone told me equip the helix
then store ship
log out of game completely
log out of launcher
then log back in
it should be persistent then
brave agate
all good, still too broke to get one lol
problem is, i did log out of game completely.. multiple times
it was 2 days later when i lost it
i been having multiple problems in game. stuff like my character randomly switching gender/race/everything every time i log in. constantly having the invisible character/mobiglass, and having my ships randomly impounded for no good reason
a bunch of us need to get together and make a "cover each others financial ass" org
woeful gazelle
it might just be that you suddenly have like 5 Helixes come next patch 😄
although the ship impounding thing happens to me too
vocal cradle
got a m2 now
woeful moss
Ship impounding happens because on some spaceports you have to store the ship yourself @ the terminal
if you don't do that in time it can get impounded
at least that's what I got told by a few ppl
woeful gazelle
that's BS, especially if they first say "automatic ship storage procedure blabla" and then it gets impounded anyway
woeful moss
it's only some space stations
btw I was just trying to find asteroid clusters, but it's so crazy how the boxes jump from one point to another
brave agate
for me it always happens at port olismar. you dont get a chance to store it, the second you get out they impound it
usually if i land at a side pad 4 i think
pad 4 or 2
the only way to asteroid mine atm is yella ring
woeful moss
that's where I was
around grim hex
but couldn't really find any clusters
they jumped from point to point
every time
brave agate
oh, i just fly to yella and manually burn to the ring, no issues
its not far from the point where QT disengages
naive maple
So, now that freefly is over... what’s the deal with commodities prices?... is diamond sales profitable again?
woven trail
i've been selling diamond, but out of my freelancer it's not felt massivly profitable...
6k per run, i'm thinking of trying to rent an andromeda for the extra 33 scu per run but not sure if it'll boost profits massively
static cosmos
@woven trail Trading right now is all about % vs SCU
woven trail
@static cosmos what about actual profit / time though?
static cosmos
Diamons, Medical Supplies, and etc right now are low % due to being out of stock and hevily used etc etc. Best bet is to grab Gallog and Kamille to plot your own route vs using route sites. IE Use gallog for locations and Kamille for prices
woven trail
if i could make more doing an ecn for the time spent then it's a bit meh hence the bigger scu required
static cosmos
Yes its a give/take
you get less downtime cause you can QT faster but smaller SCU space. If you dont have a cat the first "real" cargo ship is the Freelancer MAX
Once you get to a cat its easy to get 200-400k runs
Where as in the freelancer its a bit tougher to get 100k+ runs without waiting forever. Possible but you gotta find the routes yourself as most of the routes that the sites give you are havily used
Some of us have personal routes that make us some good money. I have one I do in my starfarer that (barring any 30ks or random explosions) nets me about 150k for spending about 100k
woven trail
fair enough thats what i've been trying to figure out my own runs, issue i've had is when terminals won't even allow purchases
static cosmos
mean that the places wont buy from you or you cant buy from them?
Cause you got to remember each place has an inventory amount that refreshes over time (either 90s, 120s, 180s, + )
woven trail
you literally can't sell or buy at the terminal
can't even select the ship as location to buy/sell
static cosmos
ya hurston is bugged as fuck right now
arctic blaze
wait for the freecat rent to expire before trading
then if u dont have a cat just rent a connie and do arial lorville
woven trail
free cat rent? are you telling me they're free to rent at the moment?
arctic blaze
yep
static cosmos
there are multiple places you can do that reduces the time. My route is longer but I get more since im not waiting for refreshes
woven trail
fml lol
arctic blaze
depends by ur standards
static cosmos
15 minute route, 150k+ each drop? Ya its worth it in my farer atm
arctic blaze
150k profit?
static cosmos
vs 70 if im lucky to get little refreshes
yar
stop 1 is 78k profit, stop 2 is just under 40 and stop 3 is between 40-60 depending on refresh time to sell. If i have anything extra it just stays on the ship till my next stop
arctic blaze
and all that within 15 minutes
static cosmos
yep 15-20 depending on my land speed
From Point A to route completiong is 15 -20 minutes
woven trail
hmm may have to have a look into doing this then
static cosmos
Like i said use Gallog for locations (Its prices are WAY WAY OFF) and Kamille for prices
Theres acouple of places not on either but they arent really worth the time/risk
naive maple
And all with only $100k invested?
naive maple
I’m wondering if Gallog just stopped updating due to freefly?
naive maple
Oh wow! I have that much money now!
static cosmos
adding my last run of it
arctic blaze
so u spend 220k to gain 370
static cosmos
So total Spend 232688 last run
arctic blaze
in 15 min
regal notch
🤔 💯
naive maple
Yeah that’s worth it... and it better than my $91k for an hour moving 6 boxes
static cosmos
but that doesnt include refill time at the end and if i do stupids that can up the time to 25-30 minutes easily
static cosmos
no last run was 140k profit
that can range at low side of 70k if the server is pretty active around Levski
naive maple
Still!... if I do that 15 times in the next 12 hours, then I can buy my own Cat!!
static cosmos
or the hide side of 200+ if I get lucky and medical supplies are in lol
naive maple
Med supplies don’t sell
static cosmos
Good luck, with server stability I get about 2 runs a hour
- something ya they can
just GL on getting a place you dont have to wait or server hop
which is why i do my route, not the best, but good enough for me in my farer
^^
They do dry up quick
Especially if you are "fast"
Trick is using routes people dont really use, ya you lose some profit but still worht it at times
white ruin
is anyone able to pick up med supplies at hickes on cellin?
digital ferry
How do you find a decent trade loop to do?
vapid zephyr
Hey I stole someone else's Cargo delivery mission (He dropped it near my ship and I just took it thinking whatever) what do?
turbid plinth
@static cosmos yea no. i dont believe your numbers
stop 1: 100k in for 76k profit? 76% margin is mindnumbingly high
flat trench
Maybe the help channel
woeful moss
I will upload to vimeo
turbid plinth
even cumulative (3 stops -> 1 destination) thats 60%
woeful moss
anybody else have problems scanning?
In asteroid belts? or is this how it's supposed to be?
@woeful gazelle can you check it out please?
static cosmos
My last one of that specific run for stop one was 18% due to price changes
@ 109 951 profit
but i also bought a shit ton more then normal so
woeful gazelle
@woeful moss
you always do a full ping - that is the wrong approach
once you find a cube you spam ping it with 50-20% until you get there
there will still be some times when the cubes will still vanish which means that you're usually between 2 or 3 deposits or clusters. in that case switch to x1 and do a 30-40% ping, or spam a x2 - x4 ping with 15-20% in different directions. once you have another cube picked up, spam ping it again while you're flying towards it
here, check this out (not made by me):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp7C84llrEA
naive maple
Does the Merlin Snub fighter have a QT drive?
waxen belfry
i think no
naive maple
Oops wrong chat
Thx
I just ran a test run of Diamonds from Wala to ArcCorp... the prices are borked both buy and sell... 6.35 and 6.88... Gallog is still inaccurate
wooden charm
Just decided to try me hand and cargo trading. And my game crashes Seconds before I land to sell everything
So. Now I'm broke
but upon rejoing session it logged me in at lorville. which is where I wanted to be
woeful moss
@woeful moss
you always do a full ping - that is the wrong approach
once you find a cube you spam ping it with 50-20% until you get there
there will still be some times when the cubes will still vanish which means that you're usually between 2 or 3 deposits or clusters. in that case switch to x1 and do a 30-40% ping, or spam a x2 - x4 ping with 15-20% in different directions. once you have another cube picked up, spam ping it again while you're flying towards it
@woeful gazelle okay I will try. Thanks
woeful gazelle
@wooden charm if you're lucky your ship is stored there and you still have your cargo
wooden charm
nope, it came up as destroyed
trail prism
I just ran a test run of Diamonds from Wala to ArcCorp... the prices are borked both buy and sell... 6.35 and 6.88... Gallog is still inaccurate
@naive maple all trades are borked right now titanium is fucking 7.9
digital ferry
Where is a good moon to mine?
autumn trench
full lintel
Wow! That beats my record of 88K Nicely done!
woeful gazelle
*cough cough (yes, that's in a Prospector)
drifting flower
how did you find enough quantanium boulders for you to fill up that much so quickly or did you keep scouring until you found a high percentage boulder to fill up that much?
icy sundial
probably a high percentage one/group, you don't have enough time to find more boulders
got around 220k couple days ago with an 11% rock, but kinda got lucky cos a fair number of the extractables were 100% quantanium
gritty oracle
any reccomendations on good trade routes currently?
tepid rose
What planets have quantanium
woeful gazelle
apparently all of them but the concentration seems highest around MicroTech and its moons - and in the Yela Asteroid belt
topaz zephyr
So is bexalite (spelling) not worth anything? I just bought 50k of it and sold it for 6k. Daymar to PO
woeful gazelle
well, if you buy a bunch of rice here and would ship it to china, you'd probably make a loss too. you have to do research on your trade routes.
topaz zephyr
Where can I find somewhere to do the research
wintry pine
I get that rare minerals are the goal, but in the end I think there needs to be a better spread between bad to good, so you don't have this huge jump between Quant (and even Agricium) to the rest of the mineral pack
(random thought)
opal crow
@woeful gazelle how?? doesnt it decay on you ? how'd you find so much quantanium ?
asking cuz i legit wanna know .. anything get me more , faster. lol
naive maple
Right?
Best load I ever had was $160,000
But I’ve been mining Daymar almost exclusively... has the newness of Microtech calmed down... I still have never been to Babbage
Ya know, I just realized that I have nothing to be excited about with freefly over as the subscriber free ship this month is the bloody Carrack... so swamped out trade terminals, here we go again!
pastel frost
Is mining in space fixed?
opal crow
anyone wanna give me a quick run down on trading? whata the best cargo to buy and haul? from where to where? im sick of doing non-stop mining 24/7 lol need something new to do
coral drum
opal crow
i know about the website but i have no clue what any of it means honestly
dense canyon
Soa few days ago I am fairly certain there was a small update to the PU. Ever since then I have had a WAY harder time finding valuable mineable minerals. Anyone else?
naive maple
anyone wanna give me a quick run down on trading? whata the best cargo to buy and haul? from where to where? im sick of doing non-stop mining 24/7 lol need something new to do
@opal crow trade -is shit now... wait til next month when then the Subscriber Carracks are gone
primal ether
why does gallag recommend medical supplies from olisar when olisar only ever dispenses 2scu of it 
coral drum
please see above comment from LordWolf
maiden crane
Trading isn't shit. Actually. Just very risky due to the constant 30k's
@primal ether don't use gallog, use sc-trader
It's more up to date
hollow sedge
does prospector speed affect scanner effectiveness?
static cosmos
Yes due to desync no due to mechanics
For tradres trying to find best routes use Gallog for locations, as you can narrow down to specific items, and kamille for prices. Gallog prices are seriously out of date, and Kamille is a bit more accurate due to easier updating systems.
Fuck ireally need to finish VSN
maiden crane
sc-trader is better there @static cosmos
static cosmos
SC-Trader is Kamille
maiden crane
yeah i know. just saying its better than gallog imo
static cosmos
Ya i know, which is why i said use it for prices and its more up to date
Youve also got verse mate which I think is better than gallog just harder to read
native dock
Hey, this might be a stupid question, but does anyone know how I could split the profits from mining equally to my party?
frail moon
beacons =/
static cosmos
Wallet soon
woeful gazelle
@woeful gazelle how?? doesnt it decay on you ? how'd you find so much quantanium ?
@opal crow well, you sometimes find clusters of the stuff with multiple high percentage rocks. then you break everything down before you collect the first one and you fill up quickly before you head right back
ionic needle
how do i see how much cargo i have in my prospector? cannae seem to find it
woeful gazelle
@ionic needle if you activate mining mode you have a percentage indicator on the right
ionic needle
grand ta
hollow sedge
so hold up where is the best place to mine for highest money in prospector
hollow sedge
yela belt? where bouts any specific
blissful rain
in yela
hollow sedge
so like the rocks around yela and shi
blissful rain
yes
woeful gazelle
well you have to scan for them, of course
woeful gazelle
no, no specific spot
hollow sedge
ok what resources are in the belt guessing laranite, quant agric?
woeful gazelle
just look for high value stuff like Quantainium and possibly Laranite