sometimes i like to just fly a combat mission
#industrial-professions
plush mantle
ionic wasp
how did yall save up to buy a prospector in the first place?
patent pagoda
1st thing I bought
plush mantle
SOTM in march is a mole, so i'm probably going to buy 3 helixes even though i don't own the ship, just so my friends can try the multicrew experience
ionic wasp
you bought the prospector as a beginner ship?
plush mantle
i bought two ships with money -- the cutlass and the prospector. but i work for amazon and i don't have student loans so i'm in a position of privilege
patent pagoda
I bought 1 helix, then 2 Hofsteadds then upgraded the quantum and coolers then the 2 helixes and then the shields and coolers
Guns last not coolers
You can its only $115
ionic wasp
you work for amazon? in what kind of a position? because as you know, amazon has some questionable policies when it comes to treating their army of low-skilled workers
plush mantle
for some people $115 is a lot of money though. i was dead broke for a decade and i remember that taking a long long time to save up
and i had much better things to spend that money on
ionic wasp
"only $115" that's easily the difference between paying rent and having 3 meals a day
plush mantle
yea, that
i was, for many years, in the place where i was stretching one box of mac and cheese over three days
ionic wasp
anyways vladimir you said the first thing you bought, with money, was a prospector and then a helix?
patent pagoda
IMHO if $115 is "a lot" of money to a person they should be getting their priorities straight and putting down video games till $100 is skipping a lunch out or a few drinks after work. But thats just one mans opinion
plush mantle
regardless, yea, it's gonna be tough to save up aUEC for a prospector right now
unless you can claimjump really fast
patent pagoda
I bought the base package a long time ago
ionic wasp
so you upgraded to the prospector?
patent pagoda
Bought into some other but I jumped on the MOLE as soon as it released after playing with a prospector in the PTO
ionic wasp
ah so you bought the base package, then bought another package, but then you switched to the MOLE after testing the prospector in the PTU?
so you've purchased 3 ships with money?
ionic wasp
alright so you've purchased 2 ships, one of which you melted into a mole, gotcha
patent pagoda
I paid small ammounts of more money to "upgrade" into other ships
ionic wasp
so you never had to go through the process of actually grinding to buy ships
seems like every person I speak to for advice on mining, never had to actually work for their prospector or mole, and subsequently had a wayyy easier time to just get the helix
patent pagoda
I dont think that is a viable way of attaining a ship at this point in my life.
plush mantle
yea, eapple, that's kinda the state of things right now. long term persistence literally happened like last week so nobody has grinded into much of anything
we used to get everything wiped about once a month or more
patent pagoda
I have a kid, a girl who is way to expensive and a job so I only get like 4 hours a day to play
I don't even really earn guns in FPS games if they let me buy them.
plush mantle
the in-game economy is also going to change wildly over the next year or two so like... it's hard to evaluate how much of a grind anything will be, or what a reasonable career path looks like
patent pagoda
I bought a reclaimer and only flew it twice.... What a waste.
I'm probably going to melt it into an Orion unless salvage gets implemented before the Orion releases
ionic wasp
I feel like at this stage in the game, buying a reclaimer would be a bit of a novelty compared to something that actually attracts eyes like the carrack or 890 jump
unique lion
own both. can confirm. novelties
patent pagoda
I'm all about ships that make money and I dont like being a FedEx guy even if it is in space
They arent even "pretty" in my eyes. I love the look of the more utilitarian work-ships
plush mantle
personally my advice for mining right now if you don't want to buy a prospector with real money (for whatever reason) is just to crew up on a mole. it's a fun time and will probably be more profitable as well
and it requires no seed capital and has no risk for the crew, other than a captain that doesn't do the payouts right
patent pagoda
maybe if you want to play the odds you can earn some money on a crew and then roll the dice on a full load of laranite in the Freelancer
plush mantle
some day when they get the econ working well and LTP is rolling, buying a prospector in-game will be viable
ionic wasp
I understand that teaming up and crewing in a mole would be way more profitable and definitely more fun, but I'm stubborn and want to stay solo
what's LTP?
patent pagoda
Cutlass > Freelancer
ionic wasp
personally I just want the damn NPC crew to be implemented at some point
patent pagoda
65% inert materials
plush mantle
man i want the inert material ejection functionality so bad ^_^
even prospector can do it supposedly
ionic wasp
I'm grateful that I was able to find bexalite today, even if it was only 2.2%
patent pagoda
If the AI is anything like it is on the Jump mission they may not even notice the rocks
ionic wasp
the whole damn roadmap is littered with improvements to the ship AI
plush mantle
there's a lot of work to be done there, yea
ionic wasp
I feel like if it ain't better than the players by 2021, it'll never be
ionic wasp
I've effectively never done combat; did a claimjumper mission yesterday, couldn't destroy one sentry with my aurora
to me, I don't focus at all on the combat. I can certainly acknowledge that it's a big part of the game, but I personally don't have much interest in partaking in it
I find mining and hauling and all that good stuff, to be more relaxing. because I don't play star citizen to get stressed out and break into a sweat over a tense, close dogfight
plush mantle
well, the good news is that they're very dedicated to hauling and mining gameplay, and they're intending to do salvage and exploration at some point. lots of non-combat in this game, even if it's a little basic right now
patent pagoda
Then you need to play with people, every aspect of non-combat functionality is exponentially better with a team. Except hauling, but thats a gamble
ionic wasp
and I certainly like that they're starting to really lay the foundations that can give players like me options to make credits that don't really involve combat.
plush mantle
solo hauling, mining, salvage, and exploration should all be quite doable
just at a smaller scale than crewed
ionic wasp
I'm anxious for npc crew because when the bigger miners come, and I don't have a team because I'm a stubborn little solo potato, I'll definitely need em
patent pagoda
You will actually need a crew to haul when tractor beams and ship loading become a thing
plush mantle
freelancer can still load up though
ionic wasp
speaking of the bigger miners, has there been much, if any, news on new soon-to-come mining ships?
ionic wasp
the mole came out months ago, right?
patent pagoda
Yeah... VERY new
ionic wasp
feels like it's been here forever. since I'm on and off star citizen, I only barely grasp what's recent and what's old as shit
like I genuinely forgot how long arc corp has been a thing. one day, I was watching teasers of the city-planet with some guy flying between the buildings
and then it felt like the next day, bam, there's a fucking city planet
plush mantle
they're getting very fast with planets and locations, yea
their toolset is well developed there
ionic wasp
I'm glad that the planets and even moons are starting to get some love, though buggy love
plush mantle
three new moons this month!
ionic wasp
some meaningful distinguishing between moons would be appreciated, though
things that significantly affect gameplay and importance besides ores and shit
plush mantle
yea. we're all hoping for more loops and deeper gameplay on what we have. it's just that the task list for each of those things is deceptively long
someone did a writeup on what salvage would reasonably require and it was like two dozen huge tasks
so in the mean time we check in every major patch or so ^_^
patent pagoda
The Orion and the Reclaimer both require Drone support and thats even a ways off...
Tractor Beam is a way off...
But they are building us a prison
so we got that going for us
Cuz that what we need
a prison
plush mantle
lol
full narwhal
anyone know why my ship isnt appearing on the cellin drug lab console? its parked right outside the door but I can't buy anything
wraith tree
best place to mine bexalite?
granite meteor
Aaron Halo
leaden reef
Prison was what was creatable with the staff they had as most are in sq42
tropic mulch
anyone know a workaround for the despawning rocks when mining ?
tropic mulch
iv given up for the night
wild skiff
Get in and upvote, Im so sick and tired of losing cargo to 30k's, and it seems like they're already halfway there to make a system that allows us to save our investments incase of 30k's: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/quick-temp-solution-to-the-30k-cargodeath-problem
CIG has managed to code the engine to the extent that its almost where we could save our cargo, they just need a small push and our biggest threat might be pirates instead of servercrashes
ornate rock
I don't think CIG wants you to protect your money without consequences
pliant matrix
They'll increase pirates number? 🤩
Because truth must be told. Being attacked by 2-3 pirates ships isn't a challenge depending which ship you're having
wild skiff
if that pirate has an emp and friends, you might be in trouble.
And Baarn, what Im suggesting doesnt protect investments without consequences, thats just a lazy interpretation and in no way an excuse to not deal with this 30k issue.
Also @ornate rock , my bad, I meant to write in the thread "cant sell the cargo without consequences", I forgot the t in "cant", so I can understand the misunderstanding when I wrote "can".
Edited now.
ornate rock
still don't think that should be an option, people will go out of their way to make it impossible for them to be pirated
no matter the cost pretty much. a lot of people will rather self destruct their cargo instead of paying a small ransom to a pirate
grim bolt
And I just hope CIG doesn't put the difficulty where they try to deal with those people (leaving more laid-back people like me in a position where it becomes next to impossible to do cargo/mining ops, because it's just too damn hard...) 😉
wild skiff
atm, pirates are extremely rarely a problem when trading, 30k's happen daily. One of these issues is a problem, and the other is not. doing nothing to stop a gameplay that isnt happening is not an excuse, and a 30% loss is a pretty hard smack in the face.
but 100% preferable to losing everything due to bad coding. Daily.
wild skiff
I dont. Last time I made a thread about this was perhaps 5-6 months ago
so you must confuse me with someone else.
which should tell you that a lot of people are annoyed about this.
ornate rock
it's not like there is any reason to trade right now anyway, why should they fix a system that is going to be replaced soon?
it doesn't matter how many people are annoyed by something for them to fix something
wild skiff
well if it kills gameplay, it kills interest in the game, which kills the number of people who want to play.
which also kills potential revenue for cig
ornate rock
gameplay doesn't matter during an alpha, they are testing if features work or not... and trading is going to be replaced large scale
wild skiff
uh-huh, when?
ornate rock
it was scheduled for 3.9 but was taken off the roadmap because of reasons
there is a video from the last Citcon about the Quanta system, which explains where they are going with it.
simple river
People have no clue what an alpha is cant expect them to understand
wild skiff
Aight look, I have all respect for you as a helper, and everyone at cig for turning this dream into reality. But what you're saying is that trading will be useless for atleast another 6-9 months if we're lucky.
Which in turn will make attempting to buy ships ingame useless, or make any sort of ingame player trading escort useless as it just pays peanuts anyway, with the massive risk of 30k's anyway.
If CIG wants emergent and fun gameplay for the active backers who will in turn suggest it to more gamers which will in turn generate more interest in the game and more revenue, then making it fun by adding a fairly small amount of coding shouldnt be a terrible priority.
I know exactly what an alpha is Icy and how much trial and error goes into it, thank you very much.
ornate rock
you know what I want them to fix first? the two starter ships that are - especially the mustang - near useless to a new player
but they wont fix them cause the storall module is in the pipeline somewhere and will be implemented when they can get around to it
wild skiff
you know what, we agree on that. the new player experience is terrible right now, no thanks to extremely slow progression
ornate rock
ye and I don't even have an issue with it, purpose of an alpha is not a player entertainment
either you find something that does work for you, or you quit playing until they implement the game loop you are willing to test
any "easy fix" takes off development time for features that are already behind schedule, any "easy fix" will bring a bunch of bugs that then eat up even more development time... for a feature that is going to be replaced.
wild skiff
that is assuming cig can generate more and more revenue without increasing the playerbase. A very dangerous assumption
balmy panther
Do you understand how this project has been funded so far?
ornate rock
it doesn't look like people will stop throwing money at CIG any time soon
wild skiff
thats extremely unsustainable. We're lucky its been working this far, but it cant work like that forever.
simple river
Lmfao
ornate rock
with the amount of people who are willing to throw an extra 20 bucks at CIG just because the mustang is in its current state, I don't think the revenue stream will die down any time soon
balmy panther
The plan isn’t for it to be sustainable forever. The plan is for the current model to support development until release at which point the model will change to what we see with other products.
You’re too many steps ahead
wild skiff
we're both speculating. Time will tell how it goes. I genuinely hope you're right, but Im not gonna assume you that you are, and neither should cig.
icy quarry
Anyway. Any good recommendations for a commodity to get someone off the ground trading in?
leaden reef
What are the downsides for overloading an ore while mining? Besides the explosion. Once I accidentally overloaded but moved away and it broke apart normally. Seems like a speedier way to mine.
balmy panther
The explosion can damage your ship. I have used the explosions to clear other smaller chunks I didn't want nearby.
plush mantle
Does that mean it can blow up nearby bits you might want?
balmy panther
Maybe? I'm not destroying anything until after I've sucked up the bits I do want
plush mantle
yea that's fair
every now and then i get a big rock that splits into two that could both be good, so that's the scenario i'm interested in -- i've started breaking up one half but not the other
neat oracle
can you mine in the belts around planets?
plush mantle
oh that's really cool. i was under the impression belt mining was in deep space somewhere
royal dagger
Any suggestions for a good place to mine in a mole not to far from a sell point?
I've been mining Cru l1 mining claims then selling in po for a half an hour run with two people for 40k
patent pagoda
@royal dagger @neat oracle The belts around GrimHex have a good amount of stuff if you like the belt style mining, If you are just looking for speed and not quality anything within a short distance from your sell point is fine. I personally like the moons around Hurston for speed but Id rather jump to PO than put up with subways and the blockades.
plush mantle
i've been doing the suicide trick in lorville to at least save half a train ride XD
royal dagger
@patent pagoda I'm in the same boat, is grim okay quality? Cru l1 is meh but okay for quick runs
patent pagoda
@royal dagger The belt on Grim is interesting, if you can get into some rocks they tend to be large and comprised densely of minerals (albeit not the best) with very little inert. It's easy to fill fast with stuff that can sell but not for a lot. Fast full runs can yield a lot more per hour if you are fast but the numbers wont be high on your turn ins.
plush mantle
is there an easy way to get into the belt itself or do you just have to slowboat towards it?
patent pagoda
yeah just fly into it
plush mantle
kk, maybe the rocks are closer than i think they are then
i might be remembering the belts from the research satellite missions
patent pagoda
Yeah literally just fly out of Hex and go towards the dense asteroids
plush mantle
oh nice, that's pretty speedy all right
royal dagger
I'm at about 80-100k/hr right now
Half an hour at Cru l1 can yeild me between 40 and 60k depending on luck
robust rose
im at 0 an hour haha. rly need to do mission to get some cash
royal dagger
Mining in a mole can get you some good money
$20 right now gets you a lot of stuff if you get the imperator subscription
pliant matrix
I hate when it do that... A rock with 20% borase. I send energy into it slowly managing to stay in green and suddenly all red and exploding at my face
robust rose
only got thw 2 ships. started yesterday, got an avenger titan an misc freelancer. so probs best to do merc missions u till i can get on a mining crew i suppose
royal dagger
@pliant matrix gotta love desync
I've had it happen a few times to me.. gets me a little bit livid
@pliant matrix let me know if you need any help, I'm more than happy to help
pliant matrix
Are prices better at GH or PO?
@royal dagger thanks but in a prospector except rubbing my back you couldn't help me much 🤣 But if you need a partner in Mole tell me. Not today since I'll quit soon but anytime 😉
royal dagger
I have 3 mining Lazer and a crew of 2 lol
I'm both a Lazer operator and pilot so every find we time a good asteroid I have to get out and move to the Lazer
patent pagoda
@pliant matrix Gotta use your ears on those rocks sometimes
royal dagger
I'm deaf 😂 🤣 😂 🤣
pliant matrix
How can I hear it with music in the back xD
royal dagger
I'm just the one person who uses all visuals
patent pagoda
@pliant matrix Speaking of which I cant wait till the Raido/Podcast thing gets implemented
royal dagger
I'm not what that is
pliant matrix
at some point they plan to add radio like in actual cars in ships... not sure it's a good thing honestly since music will turn around and it'll get annoying
royal dagger
Will they have sub titles?
pliant matrix
can't tell
plush mantle
that'd be nice... they always make a feedback thread on new features, so we should suggest it
i have some weird hearing issues as well so i really appreciate subtitles when voices are murky
royal dagger
They better or imma be cranky, can I hear meh with my hearing aids but not enough to understand what comes over to the coms or radio
patent pagoda
@pliant matrix I've been mining to Lorn for the past few days.... A buddy put me onto him and its really impressive how well it goes with spacey play
plush mantle
(i'm ok until voices start overlapping and then it all goes to hell)
royal dagger
I'm good until there are words lol
patent pagoda
@royal dagger Then you would like this stuff (no words)
royal dagger
I can use discord coms with overly boosted audio but even that has me asking people to repeat themselves 😂
The in game due to the added distortion to make it sound like helmet comms makes it so I can't understand anything
plush mantle
yea i don't like those effects either. i mean they're cool but not useful (edit: clarified)
the particular way my hearing loss happens is crackles and distortion so i just think i'm having problems again
royal dagger
It's useful when you are flying in a wing of 15
Well at at least helpful to the people that actually can understand it 😒
plush mantle
heh yea
royal dagger
Wish there was a way to turn off the distortion for people with hearing issues
I can't even pass it though s transcription program due to it
patent pagoda
I get no distortion (just lack of quality) in in-game chat
plush mantle
the audio team has been taking a lot of feedback recently and being super responsive
patent pagoda
Maybe I just have a setting wrong because I'd love that "headset" effect for streams
royal dagger
@patent pagoda it's a distortion in the sense of sound modulation to make it sound like how a helmet comm would sound
patent pagoda
Yeah I don't get that
plush mantle
huh, weird. it's pretty distinct in my client
patent pagoda
Or at least mine does not sound like that
It does sound different but just lower quality then Discord
plush mantle
at first i thought it was just low quality coms but it turned out to be an intentional thing
royal dagger
For me all I can hear is a crackly sound that I know is voices and when I pass my audio though transcription it goes to hell
patent pagoda
Proximity does sound pretty "canned"
royal dagger
I use discord since I can make out an okay majority of it because I can't understand in game comms at all
Would def make my piracy and randsome for the ships hella easier
patent pagoda
@royal dagger You have helix's on that mole or is it a baseline model?
royal dagger
Base line
royal dagger
Still plenty lucrative, and I don't know either yet, I subbed last night
plush mantle
Sub ships let you swap parts, yea
royal dagger
May I mention right now a sub gives you like 5 ships
patent pagoda
Isn't that stock cooldown just a blast?
royal dagger
For what?
Qt... Yeah... I'm used to the xl1 on my connie
Only issue though with the xl1 is it's super high consumption of qt fuel
patent pagoda
@plush mantle I was thinking it may be bad when you own a bunch of parts for the ships you sub upgraded but aside from lasers most parts work for other ships
plush mantle
Yea, it's going to cost me like 150-300k if I want good lasers on the mole
I could just do like 40k and get three of the second best lasers
royal dagger
It doesn't really offset the cost imo, just run stock and you can still make 100k an hour
Just have to split it with a friend
plush mantle
Sure, but for me it's more about my friends' experience crewing the ship. I'm the only one with the sub
royal dagger
Which me, I don't mind that as my friend I mine with needs the money and I'm the one that got him into the game to start with
royal dagger
Wow... That was a horrific sentence in the sense of grammar
I don't mind sharing with my friend at all
patent pagoda
324k for lasers, 287k for a cooler, 430k for a powerplant, 94k for QT, and 106 for shields
I have recipts
royal dagger
Not worth it for a ship I'm gonna lose soon
We are planning on investing in the mole soon as a group but as a sub ship no
patent pagoda
Aside from the heads all the other stuff is swappable
robust rose
what ships come with sub?
royal dagger
Right now you got a mole, carrak, picies, some alien ship from the vulee, Arora, cyclone and one other I don't remember
plush mantle
Carrack and Pisces are very temporary and imp level only though
royal dagger
That's what I got from it
simple river
Alien ship was last months ship
royal dagger
I don't see an imp
plush mantle
Banu defender was last month yea
robust rose
so do both subs come with ships or just the more expensive 1
royal dagger
Ah, the space crab
simple river
$10 sub will give u the Argo Mole
plush mantle
The $10 sub comes with the mole this month
plush mantle
man i can't wait for the (presumed) connie rework. i want my very own rust-bucket taurus
every time i've used the connie on the PTU i loved it despite its flaws, and 96 SCU is honestly just about how much i want to haul with current server stability
hopefully the taurus will be a nice middle ground between the freelancer max and a carrack/cat
royal dagger
i just wish there were less shield holes
actually i take that back, I WISH THE DAM MISSILES WORKED RIGHT!
its a missile boat... you would expect of all things the missiles would work right..... nope
plush mantle
same problem as the 325a, yea. angled missiles act funny
pliant matrix
I like actual connie design. Just replace the cargo elevator by a door and I'am fine with it (Yeah shield holes and missile too ofc)
plush mantle
shield holes should be fixed in 4.0 though ^_^
signed distance fields are making good progress
pliant matrix
Hello sun 😎
plush mantle
TIL discord doesn't preview bitmaps XD
patent pagoda
TIL The same
Stupid me for trying to get a good resolution
not even a good pic w/e
royal dagger
lol just took a nap at my desk for a few minutes XD
patent pagoda
Hopefully your ship was in a stable state.
Ive "taken desk naps" with the cruise on looking for minerals.... Luckily for my crew and ship the Rampart shields are die hard even when doing crartwheels
pliant matrix
it's been 45 minutes I've been wandering on Yela and my cargo is only 29%.... I'am going crazy
patent pagoda
@pliant matrix Exit atmos then QT to one of the poles
royal dagger
im at work so my ship is parked XD
pliant matrix
I've done that but seems like I'am at copperland
patent pagoda
I'm about to load in 15 mins or so if anybody wants to crew up in the mole and split.
royal dagger
im not gonna be on till about 6pm 😦 CST
pliant matrix
that's what I call a good run. it just took me an hour to find the good stone xD
pliant matrix
I'am very picky it seems xD
royal dagger
you should sell that at po though, you get a lot more for it
patent pagoda
Damn good run!
royal dagger
or are you in a prospector?
pliant matrix
it was at po already
royal dagger
what ship are you in?
pliant matrix
prospector
plush mantle
how big are the port differences in ore prices?
hauling i'm aware has some big deltas, but i'm not as familiar with mining prices
royal dagger
it can be a few thousand depending on what you are selling if its a large haul
pliant matrix
Yeah I can take way less than Mole xD 32scu max. on a good run I fill it with that kind of load in less than half an hour. This time I was really unlucky
plush mantle
where were you mining?
pliant matrix
Yela
royal dagger
i usually hault about 40k in half an hour half assing the hell out of it
pliant matrix
with a mole??
royal dagger
yeah
patent pagoda
Solo right
royal dagger
basically just grabbing whatever i find XD
royal dagger
also on a shit location which is cru l1
patent pagoda
Im surprised you dont have asteroids just dissapeariong
royal dagger
mostly tungston
oh i do on occasion
usually they disappear when they are a good composition XD
patent pagoda
My fav is when you roll up on a 6k plus behemoth with 50+/- Tara or Lara and 30k when your exiting atmosphere
royal dagger
that shit pisses me off right there XD
plush mantle
this patch does seem waaaay more stable than the previous ones at least
royal dagger
makes me die a little on the inside
plush mantle
i started in 3.8.0 and that was a mess
plush mantle
yea, they're doing continual work on server stability and networking
royal dagger
i know its due to the start of server side object container streaming but... it needs some more work
royal dagger
like honestly the container streaming has increased stability but on the other hand it has created large desync issues
hollow sedge
I fucking hate this patch. I've lost half a million since it dropped and I can't even make enough to do a full scrap run before a 30K wipes me out.
royal dagger
honestly in the past i havnet had many 30k's but this last patch has had me 30k like a boss
hollow sedge
I don't know if its just a run of bad luck but I haven't been hit with this many frequent 30K's before. I'm down to 0 auec
ember pike
Alright, I got a question regarding the Carrack, does it NOT register loose cargo boxes to sell at ports?
simple river
Has cargo hauling gotten better yet?
In regards to the trading console never having enough larinite
pallid temple
lol no
simple river
Dammit
barren river
Hello all
plush mantle
for outfitting my temporary mole, i only want to spend on a single helix 2. for the remaining lasers, do you guys recommend the hofstede or the klein?
klein has 2500 power and -10% res, but -50% instability damp. hofs has only 2k power but +50% instability damp. i'm not sure which is better
plush mantle
ima get some dinner soon, but maybe another time
haven't outfitted my mole yet either
thorn girder
its ok we can use mine
patent pagoda
@plush mantle Hofs defenetly, You also only need one unless you plan on running a 4 person crew.
plush mantle
kk, thanks. what makes hofs better despite the -500 power? just the insta?
patent pagoda
Its a better support laser and allows for kinder feathering also it picks up fast and usually one is cracking and one is scooping
plush mantle
ahh interesting, thanks
plush mantle
i'm planning to run probably 2 and 3 man, with me in the pilot seat for the most part
thorn girder
if ur planning on a single miner, single pilot setup with a skilled miner, go for klein
if ur planning on a 3 man team, go for hofs
if ur planning on single pilot, single miner without skilled miners, prepare to die
ruby blaze
Anyone else had issues landing large ships at rest stops?
plush mantle
lol. i can't promise my miners are skilled
do i need to splash out on a helix if i end up in 2-man?
patent pagoda
Luckily mining doesnt take skill
plush mantle
or can i do like 2x hofs, 1x klein?
patent pagoda
Dont waste your money on the klein
thorn girder
mining takes some level of skill, although not as much as piloting
patent pagoda
1 Helix and one Hofs is perfect
thorn girder
the skill comes in play when u do it fast. if u do it slow it doesnt matter what u use
plush mantle
yea, it's just that my mole is a SOTM so i'm not sure if i want to spend 100k on a helix if klein is good enough
i'm unlikely to have a mole again after that
patent pagoda
Then buy the one that fits on the prospector too and you can always swap it out
thorn girder
and also, the klien is, iirc, 2k cheaper than the hofs
so...im not sure what u meant by save your money, buy the klien
plush mantle
wait you can stuff a size 1 laser onto the mole?
plush mantle
right but like. i have a S1 helix already
plush mantle
ok, thanks
patent pagoda
np
plush mantle
well, no luck. turns out i can't put the S1 helix on the mole
it's not one of the options when swapping the head
plush mantle
yea. guess i'll just spend 100k on a helix
plush mantle
all the price sheets and excel sheets i have show 108k
patent pagoda
Is it still attached to a Prospector?
thorn girder
no hes right with the S1 not fitting, the fitting website doesnt allow me to fit an S1 either
which is weird
plush mantle
no, i removed it from the prospector to be sure
thorn girder
but ok
plush mantle
maybe they patched it out or something
patent pagoda
That would explain my friend "loosing" a mining head during the persistance update
patent pagoda
Nope
patent pagoda
A bad run in a mole is half a laser
patent pagoda
Just blow it on one and youl "always" have it
plush mantle
yea, i'll make it back. it's just unfortunate i won't be able to save the lasers for a time when i eventually could in-game buy a mole
unless LTP is really long
patent pagoda
personally I think 3.9 will be a wipe
thorn girder
doubtful
patent pagoda
but it will last a while after that
plush mantle
hmm, i was thinking it wouldn't be a wipe, just because there don't seem to be any major exploits and there's nothing new in the economy for them to test from scratch
patent pagoda
The ammount they are implementing is supposedly huge
it may not be
I just plan for the worst
plush mantle
yea, for sure
thorn girder
why plan for the worst? theres no need to have plans of any sort in an alpha state
patent pagoda
Exactly my point, the worst
plush mantle
3.9 seems to be a ton of back-end stuff so far
thorn girder
just play it like theres no tomorrow, because technically in terms of game dev, an alpha has no tomorrow....lol
plush mantle
and a couple new missions
patent pagoda
Well now you are just making my point for me lol
Bruh
prison
New moons and new elements
thorn girder
what does he mean by mining improvements? as long as the orion and related gameplay loop is not in, it cant really be considered an improvement
patent pagoda
Watch the video
Mining is going to change dramatically according to Citizen Con talk
plush mantle
that's pretty cool, but if it's based on citcon, that pillar talk may not be 100% accurate for what's in what patch ^^;
patent pagoda
True but the boys over at Test Squad are frothing at the mouth talking about escorted runs
Bringing players together to fight over the mines
plush mantle
oh yea it sounds super exciting
like hell yea
i just don't see it on the roadmap or a more recent video so i'm not sure it'll make 3.9
crossing my fingers though
thorn girder
the idea is good, but the implementation is silly though, when the best mining ship ingame is a mole. feels kinda like putting the cart before the horse
patent pagoda
I think its hidden behind the "Persistence" tag
thorn girder
and when theres no way to transfer cargo between ships, no way to dump cargo u dont want etc...
plush mantle
having a big cache of minerals in a static place is more than enough to drive emergent gameplay. even one mole could be disrupted by players coming in with their mole and some fighter craft to take the vein
thorn girder
so in essence, 'escorted runs' will be a more glorious term for 'lets camp 3 ppl in a hammerhead at this mining spot while 2 others in a mole go back and forth from PO to here and try not to get pad-rammed selling their cargo'
plush mantle
protect the miner is a lot more than we have right now though, which is moles go out and do their thing and nobody cares either way
and it also means making a find will be exciting rather than "oh that was a nice rock"
thorn girder
i would advise anyone playing this game to make sure you manage your expectations of new game mechanics, as per ingame realistic happenings
plush mantle
hell, just a second mole showing up and having a mole fight is more than we have right now
thorn girder
lol a mole fight!
HAHAHAHA
that would be interesting!
slightly more interesting than seeing grass grow perhaps
but yea...
interesting nonetheless haha
patent pagoda
I think they want to get a way in the game to draw people together for a common goal, protecting miners sounds great but when there is nothing in it for the attackers it wont work. If people get nothing out of taking down a mole or prospector other than bringing in their own it isnt a big enough reward when a server is only 50 players large and there are plenty of other spots to mine
thorn girder
technically theres something in it - u can steal their spot
but the amount of planning and coordination needed to do an impromptu steal, i suppose its easier to just plan a normal mining run with that time
patent pagoda
But leave it to cancerous gamers to want to crew up and attack miners for the "fun" of it and to secure the "vein" but players like that will have to alreaddy be organized enough to do so
thorn girder
no, cancerous gamers will not want to find spots like these
too time consuming
why bother? when u can just wait at PO to pad ram?
patent pagoda
I cant be bothered to question why cancer does what cancer does...
a quarter of YT vids are people waiting for hours just to be cancerous
thorn girder
well, this is emergent gameplay for u
we all signed up for this, dont u remember? when u sign for the goodies, u sign for the liabilities as well
no way around it
thorn girder
sadly, homo sapiens tend to have very poor foresight in general, that could be due to a general lack of mmo playing experience
theres always good and bad in every mmo that u play, ppl who play mmos would and should know. anything that has to do with open world pvp will contain cancer
theres no way around it
patent pagoda
Luckily this isnt an MMO
thorn girder
luckily this isnt an mmo...yet
patent pagoda
Well after 5 years and most likely for the foreseeable future it wont be
COD isnt an MMO and its 90% cancer
thorn girder
star citizen, or at least the persistent universe part, is meant to be an mmo
patent pagoda
But it isnt
thorn girder
oh interesting, they changed the descriptions
clever
i can only find the cached terms tho
its now changed to - 'multiplayer space trading and combat simulator'
too bad google crawler bots have a long cache history...and they dont clear their caches often
thorn girder
indeed. what can i say
lol
from a game dev perspective though - good move on their part
since technically, with only 50 players per server shard, thats somewhat at the level of battlefield 4 and cannot be considered an MMO
autumn mist
Does mass affect the ability for a laser to fracture a rock or is it the type of material?
oblique sedge
Yeah! Just did a cat run to PO without getting pad rammed!
How is mole solo vs prospector with a helix?
(Mole with stock lasers)
Pretty happy with the prospector with a helix - expensive but so much more forgiving than the klein.
pliant matrix
prospector without helix is trash. I barely made 20k run with it. with helix it's 50k minimum. About mole well if you don't mind going up and down all the time then it's fine and have more cargo capacity so longer runs
proven token
Mole is a paint solo, but you can make it work
oblique sedge
Thanks for the feedback - will stick with the prospector!
chrome beacon
Anyone a starfarer owner?
grim bolt
@oblique sedge A Mole with stock lasers is just like a Prospector with stock lasers.. It just can't crack the good rocks (unless you put multiple mining beams on the rock, but then it's not solo mining anymore). The improved cargo-space is nice, but it eats hydrogen fuel like a champion hot-dog eater at a competition. And if that wasn't annoying enough, you can't mine from the cockpit in the Mole, so you have to fly around, scan, position yourself close to a rock, exit the cockpit, get in one of the mining-seats, mine, hope to [insert deity here] that the rock doesn't roll downhill when you crack it etc... Mole is great if you have 2+ people to operate it (and preferably a Prospector that can scout for you). This is why my Mole is mostly gathering dust atm.
fringe kettle
So uhh. Whats the best return profit route currently disregarding money
still mauve
o7
So i have been playing with mining a bit and wouldnt be kinda cool, if we get like mini pulse scanning attachment for pyro multitool when those gems are going down from hill for example its kinda hard to track them all down, you need to climb to a ship prospector mole etc and that is taking time 🙂
just an idea so or once you scan minerals those icons stays even if they are breaking down the hills
because today i found 3 ore rocks in fps mining on the edge of the hill on yela and they all went down xd
or put terrain scanning on backpack
that would be neat 🙂
hard raft
they need to buff mining in general. It is really fun when you find nodes and stuff but it is so boring flying around for an hour only to have seen 5 nodes at max
still mauve
and its relaxing
i find it that way for some reason
but you need to buy a helix laser othervise is not worth it in my opinion unless if your mining cheap stuff
with helix is melting like butter 🙂
but they gonna put more love into mining 4sure
cant wait
plush mantle
They've said they'll be changing a ton about mining distribution
So someday we'll see big finds with more than one trip worth of minerals to encourage emergent gameplay
Seems reasonable to expect it sometime in 2020 since it was in a pillar talk
scenic rock
I love how they danced around the question by SMB on mining... The answered most of the questions above his and after his but if ignored his.
rugged viper
So I used the mole to scan the cave for minerals, and when I go into the cave no minerals show up anymore. Ive never done cave mining with a prospector/mole scanner before, so I dont know how that used to work
scenic rock
You don't mine in caves with a ship...you walk
rugged viper
Yes I know
I didnt say I was ship mining. I heard something about scanning caves with scanners for minerals but ive never mined before
Dunno how it works/what they were talking about
bold lava
wraith tree
so where exactly in aaron's belt is bexalite? I havn't found any yet, just copper, unless i'm not actually in the right belt
digital thorn
any tricks I can do when my ship isn't recognized by the shipping terminal at a planetary outpost?
got a Cat full of cargo and it's parked right outside and the shipping terminal thinks it doesn't exist
plush mantle
are you at PO by chance?
usually when people ask this they're accessing the mining terminal
digital thorn
nope on Cellin
plush mantle
hmm
digital thorn
at Terra Mills Hydrofarm
I've made this run like 100+ times and never seen it do this
unique lion
tbh I would just jet it to a station, like a nearby rest stop. and get the cat stored
switch servers, and come back
digital thorn
my final destination (CRU-L5) buys the cargo for the same price so I'm just gonna try there
dusty zodiac
best place to mine right now? and minerals too look for?
hollow sedge
Can you mount the S1 Helix mining head onto a Mole or do you have to equip a S2 head?
royal kelp
Is it even worth it to use the mole with 2 people?
Seems like the capacity would need to be greater than it currently is otherwise you're splitting profits right about 50/50, making it just as efficient as solo mining
I'm new so if i'm missing something..let me know
granite meteor
That's accurate yeah
Also It's harder to lazy mine by setting the laser and stafing in and out
In the future the Mole will have vastly longer activity time, as it is meant to fill 8 pods, drop them, and continue filling 8 more
So a cargo ship or refinery ship, or both, can carry the material
plush mantle
Two people getting the same profits as solo mining is great if the other person is your friend though
bleak spruce
you can get multiple ships glitch their cargo meshes and have multiplying cargo
PM me if u wanna help post more glitches to RSI
flint current
any good trading routes for catapillar
fringe kettle
theres only one or 2 routes worth doing without running into a artificial block
dev imposed limits on resources in an infinite universe is appearently a thing
grim bolt
It's an alpha, get over it... 😉 They want to test things, not have a working economy at this point.
pliant matrix
universe isn't infinite actually (and can't be even at launch). It's Stanton and that's all. Also it's meant to be a realistic universe so having limited resources is normal
wait for the food/drinks feature to be fully implied and I wouldn't be surprise to have each station limited to what is consumed in real time etc.
magic sinew
Stanton isnt the only system lol
pliant matrix
that is playable?
magic sinew
Not at the current state.
Release wont be for a while, and I dont recall if SQ42 even takes place in Stanton.
ornate rock
SQ42 takes place in Odin
which is why people are speculating that Pyro and Nyx will be the next systems to be added, to connect Stanton and Odin after SQ42 release
magic sinew
pliant matrix
so "At the current state" their is only Stanton as a system and as a pretty small (space wise) environment having limited resources is somehow logic no?
pliant matrix
😮 I never did such a great run! found one rock and made 90% of my prospector cargo with it
vernal birch
whered you mine that up
pliant matrix
Yela. I only mine there
half grotto
Which are the top 3 mineables again? Both ship and fps
grim bolt
Hadanite for FPS
Bexalite, Taranite and Borase (in that order, from best to very nice) for ship-minables
https://www.space4games.com/en/star-citizen-en/star-citizen-the-ultimate-mining-guide/id-1047/#how-and-where-can-i-find-mineable-rocks-resources is a nice source
brisk ruin
oh that is so cool
the star map
imagine hosting feasts and parties to consume excess cargo of drinks and food
hexed harness
Hey guys! So Im trying to mine Bexilite, but these rocks are so unstable
Is there anyway to stabilize them?
Im in a Mole if that helps
Thanks!
dense pilot
If you feel like spending over 100k on mining heads, you can find a good combination that, with a group, can create a very stable rock with coordination. If not, the 126k mining head also works .
Based on last patch, I haven't played in a few weeks
plush mantle
if you're having instability problems, you'll want to make your mining heads helix or hofstede, which both have a 50% instability damping effect
helix has more power, hofstede is easier to use (and way cheaper)
royal kelp
Newbie here, is it possible to follow a prospector/mole with transport ship and once full, unload cargo to the transport/freight ship and keep mining?
thorn girder
currently nope
but such gameplay is planned and expected to happen eventually, just not now
royal kelp
will make for some nice multi-crew gameplay
thorn girder
it will definitely happen though
cargo transference between ships is part of the overall plan
oblique sedge
@digital thorn log out of your cat’s bed and log back in again. Ha e had that a couple of times.
fossil fable
Question: Can the herald detect FPS mineables?
steel lichen
rugged viper
Sorry for late reply, its up near where you enter Centermass
pliant matrix
what is the best way to scan space rocks? I've been wandering around grim hex for half an hour and can't find anything
distant sapphire
@pliant matrix what ship are you using to scan with? are you in/near mining claim area?
pliant matrix
Prospector. And well aren't all asteroids area mineable?
distant sapphire
not all asteroids are mineable. You have to find one just like surface rocks (scan, blue box, question mark)
outside of the aaron halo, you have to QT to a mining claim to find them
but just FYI, asteroid mining is bugged right now. your fractured pieces will disappear before you can vacuum them up
pliant matrix
ok so there are specific area. I though all belt or small asteroids zonz was subject to mining
distant sapphire
the aaron halo is the only general area you can mine asteroids. all other locations require you qt to a mining claim
pliant matrix
aaron halo is the asteroid belt around Yela right?
pliant matrix
aww ok...well it would take time to travel there. better stay on planet actually xD
distant sapphire
asteroid mining is bugged right now. don't bother until they fix it
pliant matrix
okay thx 😉
polar zealot
Anyone knows if there's a list of ships whose scanner can detect (fps-) mineables?
What I can find via Google are a couple of months old and from the PTU and I don't know if that's still the same on PU.
surreal ivy
I cant upgrade my mining head with standalone ship ? :/
cinder rampart
you buy mining heads ingame.
shell badge
Anyone experienced with cargo hauling that can answer some question through voice chat?
grim bolt
@surreal ivy What ship are you trying to upgrade? As far as I know, only mining-ships can mount mining lasers
signal tree
does anyone know how to fix the read-only bug on ship custimisation? i cant equip my helix mining laser head
grim bolt
Make sure to not have the ship out of storage when you try to add mods
As in: If the ship's on the pad, wait for it to get stored, then apply upgrades
signal tree
right, thank you. that worked
grim bolt
👍
surreal ivy
Hey, the prospecter i think its called. I did buy a upgraded mining head but i couldt upgrade :/ So im saving up to the one that cost 108k. I just hope i can use that
ornate rock
did you buy a mining head of the right size?
steel hazel
So can the Aquila scan for minables? Asking for a friend
ornate rock
iirc mole and prospector use different sized heads
steel hazel
That friend is me
ornate rock
you don't need a ship to scam people for mineables, just a gun
don't think the aquila can scan tho. iirc the mining ships can, the cutlass red, the terrapin and the reliant sen?
steel hazel
Lmao awful autocorrect
Yeah those 3 ships and the mining ships definitely can. I was just curious because I’m thinking of getting it at least for a little bit
Mining starting to get a little monotonous for me
plush mantle
Yea, size 1 for prospector. Size 2 is for the mole
A hofstede laser is a good stepping stone laser for its price until you can get a helix
pliant matrix
you can't change part for a ship that isn't stored
Go to a station claim it and then you'll be able to upgrade
verbal orchid
Might be too late, but you can avoid claiming your ship by just spawning another one if you have multiple ships
that'll get you away from the dreaded fun-gate timer
pliant matrix
ho yeah that too!
distant sapphire
or being in the station where it is stored
pliant matrix
considering the pics. the ship isn't stored
plush mantle
They're equal but different. Klein has more power than hofstede but hofstede is much less likely to explode a rock
surreal ivy
offf, why couldt you just said one lol
plush mantle
Most people seem to prefer the hof over the klein, yea
pliant matrix
I actually like Helix. Rarely went into red zone with it
plush mantle
Everyone agrees helix is the best
surreal ivy
ok ! 🙂 helix it is. thanx guys
pliant matrix
well since you've both nothing wrong with trying them both too
surreal ivy
ahh it was much better, made my life easier 🙂 i made 11k best i had
grim bolt
Prospector with Helix, right mix of minerals, you can make great money. One of my runs earlier today: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/440901456179232778/686194573743095812/unknown.png
And I've seen pics of people pulling close to 90k in a Prospector
pliant matrix
you can reach 100k or more if you're really picky but you spend too much time. better make two medium run (70-80k) than one very long great run (100k or more)
surreal ivy
whaat ? How can you guys make so much 😛 Where do you guys mine ?
grim bolt
Yela and Daymar
surreal ivy
And i felt like Bill Gates when i got 11k
grim bolt
Every time I get a better payout, I feel like a king 🙂
Mining may be "boring", but it never truely gets boring
surreal ivy
yea i really like it 🙂 But is there something else i should upgrade ? or just the mining head for now
pliant matrix
You can upgrade quantum drive. It's shitty on Prospector
plush mantle
I also put a high hp shield on there in case I lag while mining a touchy rock. Not a big deal though
proven token
Mining will be more fun when you can form a crew, and pay them imo
pliant matrix
You actually can. Just need to be in a trustful group.
plush mantle
My friends and I have been running mole crews successfully and it's a lot of fun
Not wildly profitable with a full crew of 4 but very engaging, and the beacons work well enough. Everyone's gotten paid and no money went to the wrong person
grim bolt
I have a Mole, and I have enough friends to run it with a full crew, but the problem is getting them all online at the same time
pliant matrix
Until they create an inside system of guild/company/organisation or whatever they want to call it group play will not be effective.
grim bolt
Yeah, I look forward to CIG implementing Corporations, but I'm not in a rush
brisk ruin
which qt drive is best for prospector
i've installed a hoff, for no hassle mining, which other modules should i upgrade after the qt?
plush mantle
i'd go with the atlas personally. it's a civilian drive, so medium speed and range, and happens to have a very high fuel efficiency
i think it's the stock drive iirc
here's a useful chart from reddit:
https://i.redd.it/um40nx2yhhj41.png
the military drives at the top of the speed ratings are great, but for size 1 ships they restrict your range so much that their added speed doesn't tend to come into play
brisk ruin
oh wow, thank you
plush mantle
(For size 2 ships I always recommend military drives btw, usually the crossfield. Medium ships have big fuel tanks and the size 2 drives get to to max speed very quickly)
wraith tree
really? Id recommend a QT drive that sips fuel regardless of tank size, that way you get the absolute maximum range out of it
reduced risk of finding yourself too low on fuel to get somewhere
plush mantle
nah, on medium ships even the must hungry drive can get you where you need to go and back. fuel is cheap, stations are plentiful, and any pad on a planetary surface can refuel you too
going from 10 mins to 5 mins a couple of times more than makes up for the occasional pit stop
thorn girder
currently the universe is really small, so for all ships i always recommend the fastest, best drive
since QT fuel is readily available and cheap
no point now using more efficient, slower drives, since the additional time spent travelling slowly adds up, and with all the time spent travelling u cld get more trips or more missions done, which will give more money
half grotto
Can personal inventory boxes be created inside of a Prospector?
austere creek
Since noone answers, you could in 3.7, but fps mining have been so bugged in 3.8 that I have forgotten to test.
pastel frost
Nice.. how long did the run take u nd where were u mining?
analog shell
How much time for this result ? 🙂
white cairn
You give them money via beacon
hollow sedge
is there a guide or link to cargo hauling? i´m interested in trying with the free freelancer. (new player here)
pliant matrix
gallog is your best friend to plan your journey
kind lynx
what is the best material to look out for when mining
worthy scroll
For ship mining. I don't have one for hand mining.
pliant matrix
Value miht have changed but it's something like that
kind lynx
thank you
pliant matrix
since they talked about AI crew will there be too for Mole? 🤔
wraith tree
Bexalite is also the hardest to fine
pliant matrix
only found it once since I started mining
going for agricium/laranite is the most rentable actually
plush mantle
i've only found bexalite once... and then promptly 30k'd with a hold half-full of it
robust rose
is 11k uec enough to start cargo hauling with a freelancer ya think?
simple river
If you want to start making more money then say claim jumpers you need to start at like 100k
plush mantle
but of course if you have only 100k you could easily lose it all to a single crash
simple river
I'm not sure how how well the base freelancer can haul cargo. I have only used the the free lancer max from those ships and I'd make like 20k a run or so
robust rose
11k is all i have haha, an i struggled with claim jjumpers in my titan, maybe my new ctty black will be better at them
simple river
Freelancer is the best ship for claim jumpers
plush mantle
cutty with an FR-76 will do quite well in claimjumpers, as long asy ou keep moving. but yea, freelancer is great at them
stock setup freelancer destroys claimjumpers
simple river
^
I like doing claimjumper missions with a freelancer till 100k or so and then I switch to cargo.
robust rose
ok thx
hexed harness
@pastel frost @analog shell About an hour and a half I think? From Daymar
austere creek
Found Bexalite quite often, but when breaking the rocks in the first round, it spreads out, so low % in final rocks.
grim bolt
Look at the two percentages next to the ore when you scan... The left is the amount of ore for the entire rock, the right is how much of the volume of the rock the ore is found in. If you find an ore at 2%/70%, you can try it, but don't expect a good haul. 2% ore spread around 70% of the rock means it's spread really thin. The closer the two numbers are, the better. A rock with 17%/24% has a high chance of having a fair few sizable chunks of 100% ore. 😉
plush mantle
is that with the scanner view or the mining view?
grim bolt
scanner view
grim bolt
Mining view only reports ore content (the "left" value)
plush mantle
thanks for the tip. i had no idea; that should help me take fewer silly chances on 2% bexa rocks
grim bolt
👍
@plush mantle This is the guide that taught me everything: https://testsquadron.com/threads/the-complete-test-squadron-mining-guide-v3-8.16801/
plush mantle
ooo thank you, bookmarking! i had been going off the standard ultimate mining guide but its writeup and organization leave some things to be desired
austere creek
latest was a 7k mass rock with 4% bexa, or about 280mass. after first breaking, no orange rock had more than 1k mass, 2%. % is nothing, mass is everything 🙂
plush mantle
btw, are there any rocks / locations that a prospector can't mine but a mole can? if so, i'd like to take my mole crew there
runic ibex
Tuesday did you upgrade the drills on it
grim bolt
You might find rocks that are borderline too big for a Prospector to crack, but I've yet to hit that wall (it usually works to just get really close and cook the rock a bit extra (high green-zone), then back off last few seconds
plush mantle
yea, i'm running a helix already
runic ibex
all 3 drill heads or just 1
runic ibex
helix the stock one sucks
grim bolt
Prospector is much cheaper on fuel
plush mantle
i'm not asking about what heads to put on my mole rj
runic ibex
i didnt say you wer
plush mantle
i want to know if there's places where even a prospector with a helix can't cut it and therefore it's cool place to take a mole
runic ibex
no
plush mantle
(thanks fudd)
plush mantle
lol, i spend about 150k on my mole too... but it's just the SOTM one XD
grim bolt
That ChillMAX cooler is expensive! (287k)
plush mantle
does the mole have cooling problems that can be fixed? last i checked coolers helped very very few ships
grim bolt
I don't know if you can eliminate the issue, but you can reduce it..
I have three Helix heads, 2x Rampage shields, and I just need the ChillMAX to make it complete
patent pagoda
@plush mantle The ICE Flush and Chill Max reduce the cooldown times quite significantly after long QT's
plush mantle
interesting; i wouldn't have expected that from a cooler
is that a special property of those coolers or does QT cooldown just eat a ton of max cooling?
patent pagoda
The only "cooling" I have ever noticed is the cooldown after QT and using afterburners. QT cooldown bar on the right comes down WAY faster than stock after a long trip and you get a lot longer of an afterburner duration (I really only use AB's to exit atmosphere in the MOLE)
fallen plaza
I spent money on my prospector I bought on pledge haha, next for me is a Catepilar i think
wanna try and make good money mining and risk it all trading haha
undone ibex
can you transfer scu from one of your ships to another?
pallid temple
No
undone ibex
thx
balmy panther
*not yet
undone ibex
the prospector is the only one-man-mining-ship, right?
2 million is really "cheap" lol
balmy panther
And oh so profitable
undone ibex
i have rented a prospector now
it seems that im not able to mine the high value rocks
where would you suggest me to go mining ?
pliant matrix
anywhere. you wont be able to get top tier mats anyway with rent prospector
undone ibex
ok
pliant matrix
Yela or Daymar are good place to mine though
turbid plinth
does logging out with a backpack full of ore save it?
balmy panther
It should work the same way
little pilot
"should"
opal crow
hey so i wanna try mining . what sort of equipment i need & where do i get it from ? (fairly new to SC)
unique lion
@opal crow multi-tool+mining bit attachment (sold separately from the tool) at levski, Lorville, or A18
and then you'll want the backpack chest armor piece which you can get at Port Olisar, Lorville, or A18
not really required. technically need any chest armor piece. but unless you want to have to stop and box your stuff up every 10 rocks you pickup as opposed to 60 with the backpack, get the bag
opal crow
thanks blue !
fallen plaza
do the wallace klim missions no longer work then for the secret shops?
it wont spawn for me
grizzled musk
still mauve
morning
if you got this bug when ore is stuck at your hand go to your ship and sit down on chair workaround
othervise nice wrist tough
pale crane
@turbid plinth I tried logging out with backpack full 3 days ago. I logged back around 24h later and the ore was still in it. (And my prospector still landed on the planet where I logged out too)
tepid basin
Alright well, I was told to ask around here about certain things so I am curious about some stuff. What's better paying, Mining or Cargo Hauling? Is it worth trading out an Argo Mole for a Carrack?
pliant matrix
cargo hauling actually is risky. you can make very good money (more than mining depending your invest) but you can also lose big because of bugs. Mining you can have bug or anything you wont lose anything but time and can make good money of it
simple river
3.9 the 30k aka server crashing should be fixed so cargo hauling should be extremely profitable. Just have a buddy or 2 to escort you. But you make so much money cargo hauling you can easily afford to pay them
tepid basin
Cause the Carrack's cargo capacity is absolutely massive.
tepid basin
Yeah but. The extra vehicles on the Carrack and the medbay make the utility bonkers good.
pliant matrix
Problem with carrack is you need to be at least two to be able to defend yourself. Pilot doesn't have any weapons so better be able to run fast or have a crew
simple river
Ya. The pack that includes the carrack and terrapin and multiple other vehicles with LTI is pretty nice. It's funny loading it full of vehicles
Fun*
tepid basin
I intend to keep it for multicrew. I was thinking of melting my Mole, Cyclone and then upgrading my superhornet into the Carrack. Because that'll give it LTI
simple river
Ya that's a good plan
tepid basin
But that leaves me with a Cutlass Black and a Carrack. So I am kinda SOL for single-player
pliant matrix
trade your cuttie for a fighter or a prospector if you want to keep mining
tepid basin
I am prolly gonna ditch the cutlass, melt my other ships down and upgrade the cutlass to the Carrack. Keeping the Superhornet.
pliant matrix
yeah sounds like a better choice or keep the cutlass and trade it again a sabre or vanguard or else later if you want to try another fighter
tepid basin
I like the Superhornet. Sentimental value. 2nd ship that I ever bought.
high wren
bout to start mining. been playing for a year and a half on and off but haven't tried mining yet. i read its recommended to get utility tool with mining attachment from lorville area. how much is the back pack thing i need. i found out i can get that on oli
maiden brook
Quantum Mining in 3.9!
tawny otter
I’m sure this question has been asked a million times already but when are they adding the Constellation Taurus into the game?
unique lion
plush mantle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
it's not on the roadmap, nor has it been talked about recently. general wisdom is we think they're going to redo the connie line again before they add it
otherwise it would've been a relatively easy slam dunk for the ship team
robust rose
is yela a minable planet?
plush mantle
yes, and a good one
it has a nice selection of rocks, reasonable density, and it's right next to grim for safe selling
robust rose
i hit the planet, mining expidition over 😦
maiden brook
what did the planet ever do to you for such abuse?
pliant matrix
It's faster to sell on PO from yela. No elevator to take and easiest landing
lament iron
Yela lately has higher chances of ship thievery though.
PO will always be more prone to outright destruction
pliant matrix
🤔 it never happened to me
barren river
Isn’t PO getting a makeover soon?
pliant matrix
Being attacked around grimhex yes
lament iron
Me neither, haven’t had my ship stolen, but I’ve seen it happen in General all the time on Yela lately
barren river
Kinda why I like Levski to call home
pliant matrix
It happened a lot with carrack lately. People who couldn't afford it want to try it and instead of asking they just steal it
lament iron
Well that and the Carrack is hilariously vulnerable to theft because of that medbay
Also it’s everywhere because it’s the current subscriber ship
So it’s not even a matter of money/cost right now
Ironically it being the sub ship also means it’s very common and accessible, so a lot of the pad rammers own that, which has led to its own problems
unique lion
it isn't the sub ship. the mole is
subs only had the carrack for a week after it released. it should either be over, or almost be over at this point
lament iron
Haven’t been on last few days, so maybe that’s it then
But on that first week it was literally everywhere
unique lion
it was a very cheap ship when it was concepted. so lots of people bought it back when it was like, $250
mild heron
what size rocks can i break with a two man crew argo mole?
plush mantle
errything, assuming you upgraded the mining heads
mild heron
no default
plush mantle
if you get out of the seat and help on the lasers, so you've got two lasers going, then you can do almost everything
arbors are 1400 power. 3k can do anything (eventually)
hofstedes are cheap lasers with 2k power and good stats, only 13k each
pliant matrix
I'd really want a Mole just because it move better than Prospector (can't believe how lame it is to pilot...) but I'd also have to find a crew
plush mantle
maybe i'm bad at mole-ing, but i tend to find the prospector makes a lot more income for me after the split
we've been trying to mine selectively but we're still somehow ending up with ~70k total runs in a full mole hold, but i have no problem breaking 45k-60k a run in a prospector and having it all to myself
could be luck, could be my crew gets bored of skipping rocks
pliant matrix
😮 are you filling the Mole? Because it seems really low income for such a big cargo space
pliant matrix
Iam making regular 70k by being a little picky with prospector
plush mantle
i'm moderately picky with prospector and average about 60, yea
we were choosey last night with mole, got a bunch of high-grade mats, but we're still ending up with like 50% inert
i'm wondering if there's a bug i'm not aware of like scanners showing someone else's rock when pointing the turrets at multiple fragments simultaneously
pliant matrix
Ho I got that too. I arrived on ceilin yesterday and scanned already splitted rocks
knotty basin
hey
desert terrace
trying to get into hauling but it seems theres never enough commodities to even fill up my freelancer let alone my cat. any guides or suggestions? Is it just how it is?
undone ibex
depends on what you want to trade
many pilots want to trade with the high margin stuff
so thats most of the time on low lvl
you have to try a little bit. search for something with ok margin, good supply and short ways
so you can always run it
desert terrace
I've been looking at a couple of the trade route utilities online. guess I need to get further out there.
undone ibex
sometimtes there are routes you only have to buy at one station on a moon and bring it to another station on the moon
desert terrace
any you recommend?
undone ibex
there is a route for diamonds and for medical supplies
you can combine it with short trips inbetween with 2 more products
it will increase the income per round for about 3k
you also have to consider that you can sell stuff to a station, but the station is only buying a limited amount of it
once i bought 66scu of med supplies and i couldnt sell it all ^^
analog oak
scrap from CRU-L5 to PO is ~30% profit. with a Cat you can make a fair amount in a very short time
proven token
Nice.
shell badge
any tips on trade routs with around 500k credits and a carrack?
hollow sedge
I've personally had real good luck with diamonds from Tram & Meyers on Cellin. They always seem to have enough to fill up my Carrack and its 266K to fill up for 70K in profit.
plush mantle
that's pretty nice, and not too much investment / risk. how often do you get stuck with not enough demand?
hollow sedge
Its been pretty rare for me to go there and not be able to fill up. I have seen the stocks of titanium and laronite being bought up there but the big haulers don't seem to touch the diamond as much and I've been able to reliably fill up on that.
maiden brook
the mining consumables should be a slot we can walk to inside the ship to refill.
plush mantle
would be nice, but i'll bet anything like that may have to wait on iCache
basically all ship interior and physical component stuff is blocked by that right now
mild heron
so when i go ship mining i usually find rocks with like 2% agricium or laranite is their a trick to finding higher percents?
proven token
if its an uncracked 2%
you can crack it a few times and get a rock to harvest witrh a higher %
other then that its just luck finding a nice rock
atm anyway
mild heron
ok i figured it was random thanks
proven token
yea it is
minerals are on different planets though
Yela is pretty good if i remember
undone heart
is there a source-sheet for sellables anywhere? like If I buy diamonds here, where can I sell them for profit?
patent pagoda
I'm currently mining toilet paper as it is the hottest commodity rn.
patent pagoda
I'm stockpiling Jack Daniels and .556 ammo so I can get drunk and go find my own tiolet paper if need be.
@undone heart https://gallog.co/trading/
They don't have toilet paper on there yet though.
...or hand sanitizer.
granite meteor
You're too late
I already panic bought all the remaining med pens from Olisar, Grimhex, Levski, A18, and Lorville
. . . All 3 of them
bright hinge
What are those premium trade routes for freelancers?
hollow sedge
That's the 3rd time this week someone has self destructed their ship next to mine at an outpost in an attempt to screw me over, and its satisfying that each time they've failed. Dunno if this is a trend from griefers or if I'm just lucky in finding these people.
plush mantle
there's a common denominator here... what if... you've developed mutant powers and every ship that lands near you explodes into a fireball?
minor wadi
Hey folks...I have a question if someone can shed some light....if I rent a ship and the purchase a component upgrade for it, for example, a mining laser, what happens at the end of the rental period? Does the upgraded component disappear or would it be available to fit on any future ships i buy or rent?
prime aspen
You can't modify the loadouts on rented ships @minor wadi
minor wadi
Ah ok...thx for the info....guess I'll need to grind out 2 mill for my own prospector then
proven token
Hmm whats "volitile minable ore"?
paper forge
@proven token there will be minable ores that will become more and more unstable in your cargo bag over time. If you dont bring them fast enought to sell point, you will have to choose: 1- jettison bag with this ore, 2 - dont jettison it and blow up your ship 😉
coral flame
leaks wtf
proven token
@paper forge cool. So if you find it you have to head back immediately.
I still want to be able to filter inert material
paper forge
maybe not imediatly, they said that there will be indicator showing how unstable material in bag becomes
yeh, or at least being able to put all inert into single bad, which wel be able to jettison
bag*
proven token
Cool mechanic at least, especially if your in an area with tons of unstable material
Go in with a fully manned mole and eat as much as you can
Real quick
robust rose
just paid for a prospecter becouse the mole is anoying me having to find crew all time lol
paper forge
you dont need crew for mole...
i do solo mole and i didnt found it any worse then with crew
robust rose
its anoying as hell having to keep switching seats
paper forge
its not
if you possition urself correctly once you dont need to switch untill you finnish mining
going from seat to turret takes about 5 seconds
going back little longer 10-15
but note that all profits goes right into your pocket, and you dont need to pay a crew
pliant matrix
except being able to mine for longer because bigger cargo it's the same thing than with a prospector and no seat change
paper forge
for a moment i had 2 moles with LTI ( was waiting to upgrade one into carrack ), those 2 babies brought me almost 250k/h profit even when hiring second mole pilot
pliant matrix
250k/h for two moles? so 125k each isn't much more than a prospector (around 80k/h) for a way more expansive ship with waay more cargo space.
paper forge
welp, it all depends on luck
there are runs that brings much more
but im including risk of 30k
did straight 12hour of pure mining, had 3 - 30k errors over time so that has lowered income significantly
also note that second mole operator had to get his cut
pliant matrix
yeah because Mole have scu not like prospector so 30k apply
paper forge
also, you can hire 2 operators and do other stuff while they mine for you 😄
pliant matrix
I though about taking a mole at some point for playing solo and sometimes finding a slave to exploit xD but for the little more income (depending rng of course) it's not worth the price
paper forge
it will all change over time
when 30k will be solved
income will jump to more than 300k/h with single mole
pliant matrix
actually what make the mole earn more? Because you gather the same materials than with a prospector instea you gather more but to gather more it take more time (if you're picky. If you take whatever come it's indeed more profitable than Prospector)
paper forge
i can say that mole is more forgiving due to its shields, even if you overload them with helix, they perform pretyt well
imho its better for long distance mining, when ul be able to go doing it at far asteroid belts
due to its quantum
and - if they implement emptying bags and mounting them into bigger ships
ornate rock
you can expect earnings in stanton to go down once pyro is added, and you better get an escort over there
deft sigil
is cru l5 the only place to sell slam right now?
robust rose
hw much an wheredo i get the better mining lasers?
deft sigil
Mentions mining lasers near the start of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fEu_4OFMD4
robust rose
ty
granite meteor
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jZVgQXyFpTQK1iQzV9m1chCMjcdYaQSsi05wU5-v5Vo/
Also this for head locations / prices
surreal ivy
Will this 3.9 update come soon ? I dont wanne go mine and loose all the grind if it comes very soon ; P
pliant matrix
there is persistence now you wont lose your money and stuff you bought before a very long time (hopefully)
stark swift
hey folks, does anyone know if cargo is working in the 300i at this point?
gentle relic
Last I tried it was still buggy
hollow sedge
@pliant matrix People have been asking about a wipe because there are other auec exploits out there and no one knows if CIG is going to wipe everyone's progress because of this.
weak zephyr
I am betting aUEC yes.. But Items you have bought with it no. But we will see...
worthy scroll
Hmm. I may have to spend what I have then.
simple river
We had AUEC exploits in 3.8.1 and there was no wipe
pliant matrix
they're testing persistence so I don't see them sending a global wipe on their first try
simple river
Exactly. And it's an alpha so if some people having a little bit extra in game money is hardly something they care about a whole lot.
pliant matrix
that and actually having infinite money doesn't give any advantage against others except you can have all ships buyable so they wont penalize normal players (99%) for some "cheaters" (1%)
mental fulcrum
So mole vs Carrack for Profit - who makes more?