can't tell then but either way you just wait and refresh console regularly until you emptied your cargo
#industrial-professions
pliant matrix
narrow patrol
ya stims is the sit and wait to get uec
trying to sell slam right now takes forever...
ornate rock
don't trade drugs in anything that has more capacity than a starter ships.... and even in those it sucks
steel hazel
Get the MAX over the connie but that’s just my opinion because it needs rework so bad
Awesome ship but a lot of it feels off after being in a lot of newer ships
I hate the turrets being in the bridge, I hate the catwalks around the back, the snub fighter still doesn’t function, and the crew area feels too...smushed?
Opinion though
Also the disappearing hud
I’ve put the graphics on very high and mfds and the HUD can still vanish
pliant matrix
I finally pulled my money differently. I took a prospector to make some money with mining.
and since persistence is coming (hopefully) I'll save enough to buy either freelancer max or connie with ingame money
While then I'll use freelancer normal as just cargo ship (no combat of any kind)
steel hazel
I don’t think you can get a max with uec I could be incorrect
I had a mole and I melted for a max and a prospector
pliant matrix
andromeda is too expansive and andromeda loan from taurus can't be upgrade i think
steel hazel
Didn’t care about a Cat at all but now that I flew an org mates cat I can’t stop thinking about it lol
pliant matrix
max is buyable in lorville it seems
steel hazel
I upgraded from a Taurus package before
To the mole I think
I mean either way I had the Taurus package and until I see the Taurus release I haven’t changed my mind about the connie, that’s what makes me think they’re gonna rework the ship
And you’ll see everyone talk about the shield holes which I experienced as well
pliant matrix
I had fun with andromeda yesterday but one thing pushed me off. first the spinning bug and second the cargo entrance isn't practical for deliveries
steel hazel
I mean hey if you’ve got time and money you’re willing to shell out to support and test a bunch of ships try whatever lol
Yeah that too
pliant matrix
other than that big pew pew made me horny and I'am not bothered by strange maneuverability
steel hazel
Lol
The middle barrage is pretty fun but I don’t like how missles feel maybe cause I never see them idk
pliant matrix
I hardly saw any missile go on any ships actually xD I just sometimes saw explosions
pliant matrix
once I get some cash i'll either get a heavy fighter or a good cargo (once the serve stabilize too)
grim bolt
Could someone here just give me the quick and dirty on mining in a Prospector? I had a friend showed me a couple of weeks ago, and I forgot.
I know that you fly to a moon or asteroid field, hit "M" to get into mining-mode, then something to scan, then find some node, fracture it, then extract once the rock's outline turns a specific color?
night stirrup
last night as i was landing my caterpillar at port o. someone rammed their ship into me. Making me Blow up.. Lucky i was not caring much at the time and did not loose much. I feel that though I should know the Name of the Person who did this. Any time someone Rams you or your ship on a pad or space. You should be given the players name. So you can Place a BOUTY on them.
pliant matrix
@grim bolt that's almost it except you scan before getting in M mode. And you gather only if the % is high enough to not take innert rocks too much. Best is to only gather when 70% or more mineral on each fractured piece
grim bolt
Ah!
pliant matrix
Also some minerals make you earn more money than others
A wize man gave me this some days ago and it helped a lot. Take it young padawan xD
grim bolt
❤️ @pliant matrix
spring dust
So mining is a legit way to make some gold ? Because I've been trying some elimination missions, but it feels like my Aurora shoots nerf bolts
pliant matrix
aurora isn't the best (far from it) for doing combat. Mining is with deliveries the less risky way to do some money
spring dust
Okay ! Thanks for the advice
pliant matrix
Aurora is good for delivery if you use the trick to get in the ship with the box in hand (can take 4 box easy is you drop them well) and it's a pretty fast and agile ship.
For combat as a starter it's mustang or titan
spring dust
That's actually great info, thank you !
I also have a Freelancer, I know it's a decent cargo ship, but what else is it good for ?
pliant matrix
for combat about some ships I guess. It have good firepower against npc.
But the freelancer you've is probably the loaned one. it's temporary
and cargo isn't much safe now because server aren't stable so sometimes you might lose your cargo and so the money spent for it. Not the best for a beginner
spring dust
Yeah, that Freelancer just popped in my inventory
Guess I'm doing some delivery then, thanks !
pliant matrix
you're welcome. just try to group your deliveries. Take two mission for the same delivery point for example and at that point take others etc... so you keep moving from point to point without needing to go back
gentle ruin
either way best route right now is lanerite from mining facility 56 to area 18
@granite meteor
granite meteor
Fair enough yeah, with an Andromeda that seems pretty darn good
granite meteor
Losing a run is pretty rough but not terribly devastating
gentle ruin
its the route you use to make200k+ per run in caterpillar
gentle ruin
045 ?
gentle ruin
wiat which list do you have acces too
could you yoink it to me
i think mines a bit outdated then
cant find 045
gentle ruin
its also an armistice zone
granite meteor
That's a bit rough, but not terrible
gentle ruin
yeah as long as no crashes happend and so on
its fucking spicy
plus its quite a short route
granite meteor
But yeah that profit per run looks to be the best around
granite meteor
Yeah
gentle ruin
holee fuk
granite meteor
Still 20 runs to buy a caterpillar d:
granite meteor
True
granite meteor
If only
gentle ruin
its 1,5 mil to load
granite meteor
Carrack is less but almost similar cargo capacity
gentle ruin
its alotless
granite meteor
C2 
granite meteor
Except it can't do either site
gentle ruin
have a caterpillar on arccorp and on 045
and just have an hull E go between them
eh
inneficient
granite meteor
Hull c will rock just on scrap alone
granite meteor
Yeah
gentle ruin
hull C can rock on scrap alone
queen estuary
Got myself a MAX thicc boi last night, how much money should I get together to start doing cargo runs?
gentle ruin
z_s hull C
stark torrentBOT
granite meteor
120 scu in the max
granite meteor
320k to do full Laranite runs
queen estuary
Godamn, I only have 367uec lmao
granite meteor
85k to do full titanium runs but I wouldn't bother
queen estuary
I was thinking of grinding the 6k box missions to save up tbh
granite meteor
Levski box deliveries give 7.5 to 9k each and you can start several all at once
gentle ruin
or just do that
lol
where do these fucking box deliveries come from
how do i find them
i wanna do them to
too
queen estuary
Oh shit, I'll do that then
pliant matrix
don't try too hard for now. A wipe is coming in few days anyway
granite meteor
Should be personal tab when you're in levski
queen estuary
And I think the high paying ones appear near moons or something? I can't remember
And I know, I just want a taste of the grind till 3.82
granite meteor
Land at the top lobby not in the hangars, otherwise it'll store your ship
queen estuary
Up until now I've just fucked around ingame
gentle ruin
wait does it wipe every 0,0, patch
or just every 0, patch
aka does it wipe from 3,7,1 to 3,7,2
granite meteor
It usually wipes every quarterly patch but they also wipe as needed
pliant matrix
lately it was uncertain. Now they imply persistence with this patch so it should be every 6 month or so
granite meteor
3.8 has wiped a lot
pliant matrix
so they said
queen estuary
Thats what they are testing in the PTU
granite meteor
Which is ironic because it's the patch where they're testing long term persistence
granite meteor
Err maybe not ironic, but humorous at least
queen estuary
I do too, but a wipe every now and then isn't too bad, I imagine the game would get stale otherwise
queen estuary
Oof that's true
That's why I haven't bothered with grinding or anything yet
I don't want to be burned out on all the missions that might get boring fast
gentle ruin
12 mil for a hammerhead 4 mil for a decently sized multicrew ship
queen estuary
Yeah, that's why I got a cargo ship, before this I had a Connie/cutlass red
queen estuary
I just need to grind for that starter dolla
gentle ruin
besides i futureproofed myself
and got the connie taurus
which gives me around 200 scu
granite meteor
Tbd
queen estuary
I know, I love the Connie tbh, but with the bugs I much prefer the Max rn
queen estuary
I got the Andromeda haha
granite meteor
Z_s B
stark torrentBOT
granite meteor
It's like 3 maxxes for $90
gentle ruin
hull B is NOT worth it
pliant matrix
taurus is announced since 4 or more years so... not for tomorrow xD
granite meteor
But only lends the base Lancer
gentle ruin
@pliant matrix taurus has been leaked quite a bit
granite meteor
Hull B can still land laden
pliant matrix
but out of planning since years
queen estuary
If they rework the Connie to be like the mantis, godamn that would be perfect
gentle ruin
it can only land with reduced cargo load
granite meteor
The C and bigger can't but the A & B can
gentle ruin
the bottom cargo wont be able to be filled if you can land
no
try land with that stick on the bottom
queen estuary
Just land with the rear on the ground 👌👌👌
granite meteor
That makes sense, still 288 scu is more than 2 maxxes
pliant matrix
a connie upgraded with Mantis design could be great yes. but could be too "normalized" too
queen estuary
@pliant matrix true but tbh it'll be better than what it is now
gentle ruin
id honestly rather have a taurus @granite meteor
then atleast i have 4 size 5 weapons
granite meteor
Fair enough
pliant matrix
actual design is good, just shields hole and maneuverability to fixed
granite meteor
Why is Merchantman cheaper than C2?
pliant matrix
a back door instead of elevator too and it's perfect
gentle ruin
@granite meteor cause hercules is not a proper cargo ship
its military transport
and bomber
granite meteor
But the C2 isn't
It can transport cars pretty well
But for the armor and Guns, one would want an M2
Or an A2
Idk if the merchantman will be able to carry cars, but I'd guess so
Also that scu is still insane
Probably going to get cut when stores are added
gentle ruin
hercules is heavy armor combat transport
its most def not a mass cargo hauler or transport like the merchantman
or the hull series
z_s merchantman
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gentle ruin
plus c2 hercules is small
its not that large
600 scu for its size is impressive
and will most likely be reduced
pliant matrix
that's something I don't understand. I used a little the freelancer yesterday (got impressed by firepower by the way) and if it can take 66 scu how can the max who's a little bit bigger can take 120? Also the connie seems to have a bigger cargo space and can only take 96 🤔 strange for me
granite meteor
Max is thicc
gentle ruin
plus alot of the connies hangar is not used for cargo
wasted space honestly
connie taurus has way more cargo space
as it basically more than doubles the cargo space
in addition to making the roof taler
taller
(well just removing the missiles)
pliant matrix
I feel like the taurus butt is bigger so taller cargo space too
granite meteor
I think they extend the cargo lift all the way back to where the merlin is
gentle ruin
they also extended it forwards
(keep in mind missiles block you from seeing directly over the railing on the andromeda)
so with missiles gone it might have 200+
freelancer max can fit 3 greycats side by side
granite meteor
You can fit twice as many cars
gentle ruin
no you cANT
astral crystal
anyone knows places to sell widow in more places than grim hex?
jovial briar
z_s taurus
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jovial briar
z_s c2
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jovial briar
z_s mercury
stark torrentBOT
pliant matrix
is mercury flyable already?
full ferry
pliant matrix
Ha great! time to see it come and if they made some changed from the concept
grim bolt
@pliant matrix Thanks for the help last night, did my first solo run with the Prospector today. Only made 10k on a full tank, but hey, 10k! :)
pliant matrix
😉 you're welcome but don't worry you'll refine your run and increase your rentability
narrow drift
Way to go Fudd79!
wraith tree
would be nice if i I could get my Mole to spawn 😦
hollow sedge
you can look the side textures on cargo pad and taurus has twice as many
so 192 for pad and the end was shielded cargo space? so something like 212 does make sense
patent pagoda
@here Two part question just for fun: Anyone have a guess when salvage will be implemented and the Reclaimer will be useful? {and} Anyone have a prediction when the Orion will drop for presale again and/or become flyable? (Disclaimer: yes I've read every roadmap for the last 4 years and understand the way this game releases its content but this is more of a rhetorical question to spark a discussion among people that may have been more up to date and paying more attention to timelines than myself. Any ideas and comments are welcome.) Just interested as the Orion and Reclaimer are to me what the Carrack is apparently to the masses, I know they will be broke upon release but I at least want to play with the Reclaimer at some point before Christmas and have hopes to play with an Orion before my 3.5 yr old daughter is old enough to buy her own.
worthy scroll
There's a lot of stuff that needs to be in place before salvaging can come, persistence being a big one. Can't salvage anything when stuff disappears right away.
plush mantle
yep, not really much point in making a random guess based on zero information. no salvage prereqs have even been mentioned recently by CIG
half grotto
Salvage V1 has been removed from the roadmap at least twice in the last couple years, both times slated for Q4
magic sinew
@unique lion
unique lion
scrim got it first
still mauve
Whelp
week 2 still cannot spawn prospector ship anymore anywhere
F mining till next patch i guess
just when i got location to mine good stuff and helix laser game fun detected
lets store his ship for not making profit xd 🙂
pliant matrix
No use to make profit now since reset in few days 😜
narrow patrol
can you load the ship in the single player game and logout in bed @still mauve
shepard22?
still mauve
uhm u mean hangar?
chrome dust
What is the closest refinery kiosk to microtech?
still mauve
havent try it there yet tough 🙂
pliant matrix
@chrome dust that station out of microtech. I forgot the name. But each big city has one
Port Tressler
austere creek
I couldn't find refinery kiosk in Port Tressler. Where is it?
pliant matrix
I don't know that station well so i can't tell. If so you're sure to find one at PO. Microtech isn't finished yet so maybe they didn't implied it yet
patent pagoda
No refineries on spacestations kiddos
Major stations on planets are the only refineries
pliant matrix
PO have a monitor for it so "kiddo" try to tell me PO isn't a station
pliant matrix
yeah nice catch xD
patent pagoda
Not trying to be a #$@% just having fun...
PO is PO but any of the R&R's wont take minerals
I think Hurston is closest to Micro but I refuse to go there as I personally hate it so I roll to Lev.
If you splurge on your QD it shouldnt matter.
pliant matrix
I wasn't talking about those RR stuff but station like bajini point , port tressler, that port thing around hurston I forgot the name and of course PO
patent pagoda
Those are pretty much R&R's
Tressler is a place keeper
has to be
theres nothing there but burritos
pliant matrix
burritos are important!!! (joking I don't even like that)
patent pagoda
The nachos are better.
pliant matrix
I don't like that either
but I trust you on that 😉
Anyway for selling mining stuff let's say there are only PO now. I though the other station had monitors too
patent pagoda
My Argo has a flip down toilet so it would know best.
Honestly every major port will buy minerals from mining
Hur and Lev are closest to Micro
If it has a "home base" (as in American baseball) symbol it will buy deposits from mining.
pliant matrix
but hurston have tram and levski elevators... Po is faster so better mine around crusaders and go unload at PO
patent pagoda
Not if you like 150K holds
not that any of it matters as we are due for a wipe on the 29th
Experience is what matters and if youve learned how to mine micro you know about heafty holds
hopefully when the 3.8.2 real PU drops we will have a place to dump
Micro is one of the most beautiful and fun places to mine but with the long trip it is a hual
patent pagoda
Well with 3 new moons I would hope they have somewhere better than Tressler to dump
Considering you cant even dump there
It's like mining Antarctica... Its worth the fill but the trip and work a lot of times kills the profit.
still mauve
ok i manage to spawn my prospector today at PO and now that bug went into freelancer i swear this SC is haunted xd
with hauling it first at grim hex and back to PO
workaround
made 29.000 with agricium not bad
gentle ruin
yeah agricium aint bad
still mauve
nope
if you have 100% pure of it full cargo even better
that lovely money xd
unless game is being a bitch
pliant matrix
Just made a 65k run with mostly agricium and titanium
distant sapphire
that is a nice run. pays to be picky
gentle ruin
@pliant matrix what ship
gentle ruin
ah ok
prisma nova
How long did that run take you?
pliant matrix
🤔 half an hour maybe
got a bit lucky to run into lot of 100% agricium either. I don't think I'll always make runs that good xD
grave timber
is there a good online resource that helps plot shipping runs?
pliant matrix
hard raft
will be interesting how the profession will be once they implement actual supply demand pricing with the economy
wide steppe
I think I got carried away with this delivery run
granite meteor
Nice
quartz thorn
how much do you guys think that merchantmant would lose its current scu?
granite meteor
Just a quick guess, around 3k
Kraken has almost 3900
Kraken privateer has shops and 716
Merchantman has 3500 pre shops
500 or so seems like a safe low estimate
quartz thorn
man.. I have c2 but kinda don't get the point of it since merchantman
i understand it's a transport with high fuel intake but
that doesn't really justify its cost
granite meteor
Merchantman is a travelling bazaar, it probably won't end up also being the verse's best transatmospheric hauler
But who knows at this point
granite meteor
Afaik it's a long way off
quartz thorn
I have c2 for atmosphere and Hull C for space hauler
and just thought what's the point of having two ships while merchantman is there
but I guess without any infos on BMM
it's just speculation at this point
pliant matrix
Is c2 flyable? Well is any crusaders ships flyable? I though they were all still on concept
quartz thorn
prolly gonna see c2 within this year
worthy scroll
The first Crusader ships are being made now.
We should see Mercury Star Runner then C2 Herc.
At least that's my hope because I bought the Star Runner lol.
pliant matrix
🤣 what do you have when you buy a concept ship? A loaner?
hasty zenith
Yes
pliant matrix
is there a list of loaner "offered" for concept ships?
granite meteor
pliant matrix
great thx
granite meteor
Happy to help
chrome dust
Can the carrack scan for mineables?
plush mantle
Not at this time, no. It can scan for caves though
steel hazel
fixed the fuel capacity of the carrack, can we get a shot at the mole not consuming fuel as if it also doesnt have any fuel capacity as well >.> lol
stiff kiln
Where are the main planets to do hand mining on?
unique lion
@stiff kiln without a mining ship, daymar. With a mining ship, anywhere except levski, Hurston, arccorp, and presumably microtech but I haven't checked there personally
All the "main" locations have no spawned mineables. All moons however, do
stiff kiln
Ok good to know thanks
distant sapphire
you can hand-mine the caves on Hurston. Micro has both hand and ship mining, albeit sparse
patent pagoda
@steel hazel I’ve never really had any problems with the fuel on the Mole.... am I flying it different?
I use cruise control A LOT
still mauve
hi
i can only spawn my 300i due to spawning bug i tried every solution
at PO
but there where i spawn ships its showing up for few seconds and gone
no claiminig option is avail for me even that is not working step back fast from console
so F mining and trading just box delivery i guess
but ill try to haul it from PO to another places and spawn it there to see if there is workaround this SOB for a bug
cause i can clearly reproduce it every day
sometime is on freelancer and on prospector its moving around or sometime is on both
i was on best servers today
still mauve
ok i went to USA server now i can spawn freelancer there normaly
at PO
so im guessing its server related bug
like those bounty hunting missions when not showing up
iron finch
is there a trick to getting outposts to detect ships? mine isnt coming up on the trade console
granite meteor
Landed with gear down?
Try getting closer to the building with the terminals
I think you can buy while hovering, but not sell
teal mountain
iron finch
Outposts don’t have ATC for ships
Yeah, I’ve landed on all the pads. Landed with the nose of the ship practically through the window of the building. Engines on and off, doors open and shut.
I haven’t tried upside down yet
iron finch
It’s a loaner ship and I’ve gotten it to work at one other outpost and multiple times at port oli
Freelancer
granite meteor
Yeah loaners should be good
I'm all out of ideas, sounds like you're doing everything right
iron finch
I don’t blame you if your stumped, I really am
granite meteor
It's just being belligerent
iron finch
I’ve yet to come across an outpost that works which is why I wonder how this has gone unnoticed
*works first time
granite meteor
Oh try getting really close to the ground with gear up, then set the gear down
Warning, sometimes flips or spins the ship
But if the ship doesn't think it's landed it it sometimes won't work
granite meteor
Oh nice, I'm glad to hear it works
iron finch
Cheers for the advice it really helped with the hover idea
granite meteor
Happy to help out
chrome beacon
Is there an advantage to using a Hotas in this game?
granite meteor
feels better, Hotas and Hosas give some control that mouse and keyboard can't
#sim-and-pc-hardware is where stick enthusiasts chat and share helpful info
chrome beacon
ok thanks
grim bolt
I just love the Helix 1... Paid itself off in two mining runs https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440901456179232778/681975396358684716/unknown.png
pliant matrix
Yeah I did 65k last time with it when my N'est à 20k with original
wraith tree
Was thinking, a bulk cargo carrier for things like ore, and scrap could be a a speciality ship that larger than any Hull series. No cargo containers to haul, just a large empty hold.
Could be a grain hauler too
white granite
is it possible to transfer goods from 1 ship to another currently? i.e. one ship mines... the other moves and sells cargo?
plush mantle
not yet, but it's planned
a lot of ships are designed such that their cargo containers can be detached and tractored, etc. the functionality isn't in yet though
white granite
ah thats a bummer 😛
plush mantle
lol, yea. i'm looking forward to it but i'd be surprised to get it in 2020
they have a lot left to do
white granite
Guess ill just continue to rip around in the freelancer, doing cargo is getting kind of boring though 😛
plush mantle
yep, i've finally hit the point where i've put this game on the backburner now that it's really starting to sink in how long it's going to be
i'm still subbed, occasionally buying a ship to support development, playing when new content comes out, etc. but i don't want to burn out on it years before it's done
white granite
lol yeah that would be upsetting
steel hazel
And large rocks on planets yes
wheat nexus
yo where do i buy scrap in Lorville?
patent pagoda
@wraith tree Its called a Caterpillar
deep pewter
Have they implemented the cargo containers a type E hull would use? How would those cargo containers work in terms of loading and offloading?
wraith tree
@patent pagoda I was thinking something bigger like this https://www.marineinsight.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/bulk-carrier1.jpg
patent pagoda
@wraith tree Damn! How much you looking to hual?
wraith tree
i'm just thinking that having some larger ships that transport at super long ranges could add an endgame type loop for large guilds
have something like that or the Hull-E(or similiar/bigger) that move across 6 or 7 systems or more
but once you get to a certain size ship they can only carry a select number of things
like maybe the Hull-E can carry weapons, components, certain refined materials
I think some stuff should require being inside the hull of a ship thats temp controlled
like medical supplies, food
so something like a Cat could be the largest used for raw food/medical
it wouldn't be cost effective for companies to put all vegetables inside containers that could survive in vacuum so you'd need to load/unload via airlocks/pressurized hangars. which would likely mean using something like freelancers/cats
right now the cargo loop is too simple
patent pagoda
@wraith tree It will be a lot more complex when people can steal it from you and sell it for themselves, protecting larger ships like that will necessitate large teams and split profits.
wraith tree
right
I'm just thinking of more stuff for the cargo ship pilot to thing about regarding cargos
while hiring people skilled fighters to deal with the defense
pliant matrix
yes but that'll be most of the team gameplay. one large ship, a crew and an escort
austere creek
So, who is voting for the Origin 455M, for when you want to head out mining some gems for the mistress in style?
wraith tree
there is voting?
wraith tree
Does anyone bother with solo mining in a mole still?
burnt quarry
anyway to make the prospector handle better or is it just a clunky machine
plush mantle
it's a station wagon with a mining drill attached to the hood
burnt quarry
lol k
any tips on flying it? i seem to always over calculate speed and can't pull up in time
plush mantle
i had that problem too. honestly the only thing i could do was treat it like a bigger ship -- plan my deceleration in time, give myself bigger altitude allowances, etc
you can use the speed limiter if you're flying low
hollow sedge
best trade runs for 3.8.2? got 30k in my account
dark shore
What’s the best cargo trade money making as of now. Thanks
plush mantle
my vote's on the freelancer max, although cat or connie is also good. freelancer fits everywhere, can land on any pad, is reasonably good in atmo, and the hold is about the right size for current buy/sell limits
cat is good if you just want the absolute maximum hauls and it's a fun ship. beware 30k errors if you fully load the thing.
dark shore
Thank you, how about goods and route
plush mantle
(tbh pick the hauler you personally like the most. they have a very different emotional feel)
rose heath
do we know when keeping cargo between logs is potentially on the schedule?
I don't see it on the roadmap :/
wraith tree
Ok, why is lorville giving the mole the tiny hangar, I know it’s not big but damn it’s hard to land in without third person and checking constantly
It needs at least a size up
It gets stuck to the wall when trying to auto land too
trail valley
I want to get into fps mining. Videos I watched said I should use the missing persons things to get caves and I already have multiple armours
Is that it or are there other tips
rose heath
Hmmm none of the stash houses seem to have anything for sale
steel hazel
@trail valley there’s hand mining on planets too but those nodes are concentrated the most in caves. Bring flares to help you find your way out. Sometimes you gotta crawl through areas and it’s easy to forget how to get out lol. But yes as far as fps mining for the most part that’s it. Sorry late response
@wraith tree you can fly directly in with your landing gear down, then hold the button and let it auto land for you. Few different ways to get around it but the mole should be fine for that because it’s a flying brick lol
wraith tree
ill try it again but it got stuck when it touched the wall
for cities and big stations they should consider putting parking spot a bit aways from the landing spot so you fly into it and then activate auto land, then it can sort of auto valet itself to the hangar and stuff. a complex auto land more or less
im sure in real life space stations would require auto docking
odd hinge
@trail valley
For FPS mining, just make sure you pick up the pyro tool, with the mining bit, and the backpack, with the big capacity.
To find FPS ores, the best way is to do the missing person missions yeah, as the body is somewhere in a cave, which are filled with ores.
Tbh, doesn't have to be worth it to search for the body, as they can be quite well hidden,
and if you run into the issue that you can't interact with anything in the cave anymore (not pick up anything etc),
You need to exit the cave, enter your ship, go into a chair, and back out again
patent pagoda
PSA: Asteroids don't disappear any more after cracking them so they are viable, had first 200k mole run tonight and didn't run into any vanishing rocks. Also was able to get a 30k and ended up right back in the ship. Very pleased.
fallow grail
What locations allow selling mined ore (ships)? So far I know of the Cities, Levski, GH & PO
pliant matrix
Mining really is a good income. I did that in less than half an hour
steel hazel
@patent pagoda when you 30k'd did your ship still have its contents?
burnt quarry
having issues strafing up/down in prospector. either barely rise or drop insanely fast. any tips?
pliant matrix
rotate your engines with "J" there is a lifting mode and forward/backward mode
burnt quarry
ah okay thanks!
i turned off weapons/shield and that helped a little
ill try that next time
does the mole fly in a similar manner?
patent pagoda
The Mole has 4 rotating engines and does also fly akin to that manner, albeit better but you still have to plan for descents and stops. @steel hazel We only had one traditional 30k where the entire server crashed us out (so contents lost) but, oddly, individual disconnects were registering as 30k's and the 2 I had I was placed right back in the ship or alongside my squad mates.
In about 5 hours of play I was disconnected 3 times and never lost my group.
steel hazel
Awesome
pliant matrix
I didn't got disconnected at all since update. Great improvement xD
dark shore
I got disconnected, my router stopped working as I was making a 100k uec trade run mid flight. Came back same spot everything intact.
steel hazel
me either I made enough for my Helix already 🙂
undone ibex
is it hard to find fps mining stuff on asteroids?
proven token
Man I have a mole and an Orion but im thinking of picking up a prospector
Solo mole is annoying after a while
balmy panther
Yeah but the cash out at the end is nice
white granite
@pliant matrix where were u mining?
pliant matrix
On yela. I made a. 88k run right after on cellin. Helix money is back and even more 😊
white granite
In the prospector?
pliant matrix
Yep
white granite
Man... Now I need to convince the wife to let me buy one... Lol
pliant matrix
Cellin run took me almost an hour though
You can rent one but you won't be able to mine everything since you can't upgrade it. On the rented Prospector I made 25k for a run of half an hour
white granite
Hmm how much does it cost to upgrade?
white granite
What percentages are u using sounds like you're being pretty selective
pliant matrix
Almost only 100% sometimes 80
Agricium as you could see on the pics
And on last run I took laranite too
white granite
@pliant matrix so here's the real question... do i trade up my FL max for a prospector or not... lol
pliant matrix
😂 I can't answer that. All depend what you want to play. Prospector is really specific. You barely can do anything than mining with it. FL is more polyvalent. It's all up to you 😉
white granite
hmmm...
then again the MOLE looks awesome too, but can't solo mine with that thing =\
pliant matrix
You'd lost a lot of time stabalizing the ship in a good position then going down on the mining seat then going back up... Mole defenitly isn't for solo mining. Prospector would do the job enough
jovial berry
i solo the mole all the time, can't be arsed too much so i'm only making 70-100k a run
white granite
FML so undecided
jovial berry
pick whichever gives you the "i want this" feeling
if the price doesn't matter to you too much
pliant matrix
I tried that but now I want too many ships 😂
Sabre, defender, vanguard, Andromeda, merlin, and other's
jovial berry
Well... when i started i just wanted the cutlass
now i've the exploration pack, avenger titan and a mole
pliant matrix
Already had a titan then an arrow and now a Gladius along with the Prospector. But I already refrain from taking more. It's already a lot of money spent in just few months
patent pagoda
I don’t understand all the “alone” talk... Personally I find the game intolerable alone, there are so many people playing in these lobbies it’s easy to pick up someone even from global chat to roll with you to make things faster and more fun. Space is already lonely enough and in the future these ships everybody is gaining over are going to take multiple people to even work. For instance you need a minimum of four players to even operate the Orion, why not find a group of guys/gals that like to do the stuff you do now so when ships like that drop you have a group to enjoy it with.
#justsayin
granite meteor
☝️
Space may be lonely, but you don't have to be, join the ship share program today!
patent pagoda
Is that an ORG?
granite meteor
No it's a thing the Olisar PA says
worthy scroll
Some of us are just more comfortable alone. I personally can't stand being in voice chat with people sometimes.
granite meteor
I wish we had a ship share program, post things like Freelancer looking for Gunner @ Olisar and have folks check the console and sign up
Fair enough, I like meeting randos
But my work schedule is too inconsistent to be a regular
worthy scroll
I don't mind it sometimes, but like 95% of the time I prefer solo.
granite meteor
Fair enough, I like being crew, chilling and chatting while helping other folks get stuff done is the most fun for me
lean belfry
granite meteor
Mostly up to date
Go to the trade tab, then commodities
Then click on individual commodities for location and stock volume information
They also have a simple map of stanton in a different tab for helping plot routes
rare mortar
trying my hand at trading.... went to a place to buy diamonds, but the supply was limited. is there no way to quickly get a full load of diamonds?
i think i remember titanium never being supply limited, never had a problem getting a full load of that. but the margin is only 11% instead of 20
worthy scroll
Everywhere has a stock limit that slowly refreshes over time.
rare mortar
so, can't just stop one place, I have to jump around and buy it up?
worthy scroll
I think the only exception is selling mined stuff.
rare mortar
any idea if you make money faster by just trading titanium, or if trading diamonds is a better use of time?
worthy scroll
I think people either wait or just grab what they can and move on. I'm not really a trader though. Just watched a bunch of vids on it.
narrow radish
anybody else having trouble finding a trade route thats not completly unproffitable?
hollow sedge
All the new carrack owners (me included) are tanking the profit margins across every commodity that I've tried. I can't find anything that's giving more than a 10% return. Been doing my part to help and updating gallog but everything is down profit wise.
fringe kettle
aight folks
what planet gives the best resource harvesting rng
yela is meh and usually low valued on agricium
im looking for the abcs of ore
hollow sedge
Most people I know that mine do so on yela and daymar. Your mileage will vary depending on how much rngesus smiles on you.
balmy panther
I was being pretty picky on Yela and pulled in over 100k. I need to try the asteroid belts again.
granite meteor
Woah! That's amazing!
pliant matrix
@fringe kettle Scroll back an you'll see the run I made on yela yesterday. Filled 80% of my Prospector with agricium and made more than 70k in half an hour. Like you said it's rng so sometimes it works sometimes you need to search more
granite meteor
When on a planet switch to long range scan, and fly backwards around 500m elevation when scanning
Makes it way easier to see deposits
still mauve
do not trade diamonds on PO i lost about 30.000
had 100 then fun detected no profit for ya there
strut A
worthy scroll
Was the trade supposed to go that way? Everywhere has a fixed buy and sell price, sounds like it should have gone the other way around.
worthy scroll
Hmm
still mauve
from celin
hollow sedge
@worthy scroll Prices aren't fixed though. The rates do fluctuate depending on how much trading is being done and where. Its mostly the price to buy commodities that varies as the rates you get for selling them don't alter too much. Before 3.8.2 I don't think there were enough people trading to drastically alter the prices in game but all the new high volume trading going on with everyone's Carrack is making the prices really change now.
red axle
any way to sell widow that doesnt involve doing it at 10 units at a time?
proven token
Cool to see players dont manipulate the markets super hard
patent pagoda
@red axle Yes but you need to sell at unmarked stash houses.
red axle
@patent pagoda can you name me a few?
patent pagoda
@red axle the stash house on Cellin and Waste Management on Daymar are the easiest and if you grab the box missions on Grim Hex they will lead you right to the locations.
red axle
@patent pagoda thanks 🙂 ill give that a try
patent pagoda
@red axle hold on those are places to buy the stuff.
Here’s a list of the places to buy and sell widow but the larger ones and r&r will only buy small amounts.
red axle
yeah i have that up right now, what i am looking for though is a place to sell more than 10 units at a time
im in GrimHex and its only taking 10 units
at this rate ill be here all afternoon
patent pagoda
@red axle Try this
Jump Town is located on Yela
From GrimHex QT to Yela.
QT to OM6 (which if you kept your orientation from the GH landing Pad will be on your right)
Orient yourself with the large stripe of white and the 3 small patches of white above the tip of it.
Jumptown is above the left tip of the most right white patch (or 3rd) patch at the dark patch (here).
You can literally just Afterburn there OR the much quicker method is to
Aim at JT and then QT to Ashton Ridge Aid Shelter which is on the opposite side of the planet, when you start jumping look up at Ashton Ridge once you you hit 600km away HOLD B to come out of Quantum.
JT is in a cater that is on the edge and part of the mountain/which is actually more of a plateau. The mountain it is part of is seperate from the other nearby outcrops.
Land nearby the outpost and enter, the console in the central room is where you buy the Widow.
If you are finding JT at night you can turn your Gamma up to 100% and follow the same steps, to me the mountain that Jumptown is by is more visible at night as a dark splodge.
red axle
i bought the widow from jumptown though
patent pagoda
Apparently Levski buys at a faster rate but that’s still only 1000 every 90 seconds
red axle
ill try there
fervent path
If you get disconnected in flight and have to claim your ship to get it back, all your cargo is gone right?
ornate rock
yes, as soon as you claim you get a new ship
grim bolt
Yay! SC has been good to me today. Been mining all afternoon, not a single crash or major bug. Made decent buck as well!
grim bolt
Anyone know where I can buy a Helix II ?
jovial berry
@grim bolt levski and loreville
pliant matrix
not lorville. Grimhex and area18 dumpers depot
my bad lorville too
but I don't think so about levski
jovial berry
well i got it at both
pliant matrix
okay well better more than less 😉
grim bolt
I got it in Levski Dumper's Depot
rare mortar
Is it pointless to do something like rent a Prospector? I heard you could not change the equipment on it, so you can't give it a Helix head.
pliant matrix
Yep you can't. It takes. Two to three good run just to pay the rent fees for a day
If you plan on spending some hours farming it can be profitable though
rare mortar
I'm running cargo in a Carrack now, but Titanium and Diamonds are always sold out everywhere.
makes trading pointless. RSI's current implementation of "dynamic supply" is borked and can't handle the player volume.
or, isn't adapting to player volume
plush mantle
it should clear up a bit in a week when the sub carracks go poof
there's never been this much concentration of high-volume cargo ships at once
pliant matrix
Does a Gladius can fight a carrack? I heard it's shields are insane
plush mantle
a gladius is never going to get through those shields honestly. it can blow it up easily if it takes advantage of the shield holes though, or just puts enough ballistics in one spot
pliant matrix
Yeah médium or heavy fighter would be more suitable to the task. Iam asking because most of bounties I took were about carrack owner and I barely touched them
plush mantle
if you have to blow up a carrack, aim for the top and bottom turrets
that's the holes iirc
or just wait a week when all the subscriber carracks go away
pliant matrix
Thx for the information. I'll try it just for the fun 😜
unique lion
I mean you can still make decent money without a helix. It just means you'll hit rocks you can't mine. Whereas a helix removes the "can I mine this" question from the equation
If you see a rock you know you can mine it
ornate rock
S2 and S3 shields will hopefully (and probably) brought in line with S1 shields eventually so that they don't all have a zero second regen delay after damage
right now they are effectively all the same and have no differences, unlike the S1 shields that already have manufacturer properties applied
austere creek
Anyone tested the 315p scanning for hand mineables in this patch?
bold lava
if it works pls tell me
when the terrapin stopped doing it i was big sad
haven't touched that loop since
austere creek
going now to look, but don't think I have any positions triangulated to double check
flint current
if u have 1mil and a cata, what would be best trade route nowadays
remote holly
are commodity prices fluctuating for anyone else? i just watched titanium go from 7.15 to 7.99 to 7.10 in less then 5 min
they all seem to be moving
tony z you turning knobs again?
hasty zenith
Could be players on other servers running Titanium out of the same location, since the commodity stock and prices are tied to one server, I think.
remote holly
but the past few days ive been making the same run and i i know other people have been doing it because there was an entire org making run in the same location same time as me. the numebrs never changed until a few hours ago. it randomly started
dusty zodiac
best trade cargo right now?
cinder lichen
Hmm, I can not seem to sell anything from my ruck sack
anyone got any suggestions?
bold lava
@cinder lichen if you have a ship you can stand in, go stand inside and press i and drop all, it will make a box. pick up then place the box back down, then sell at the terminal from ship inventory
if you didn't workaround already
dusty zodiac
anyone looking for a crew in the mole?
hollow sedge
I'm looking for a corner to cry in after loosing 266K to a 30K
woeful rock
paper forge
Any efficient trade route that doesnt require hours of waiting to supplies refill in outposts?
I mean other than scrap and titanium :D
granite meteor
Agricium
Astatine is only a bit worse than titanium
wet thunder
so the carrack beats the cat in every way (cat has more scu) on trading because of speed, fuel capacity and the medbay. and getting out of it is probably faster aswell. landing in lorville or arccorp should disable the respawnpoint because after selling you just suicide and save really much time 
im much faster traversing the route and never have to refuel really
and things like that save time aswell
silver salmon
Let's Nerf the carrack 
paper forge
@granite meteor How is the agricium supply? Will i be able to load around 300scu with single transaction? :D
granite meteor
Yeah it's pretty high
Check Gallog.co > trade tab > commodities > astatine
It'll show locations, prices and stock / refresh rate
unique lion
speed, lol
the carrack in QT stock moves at 1/3 the speed of the cat
getting in and out I'd say is about the same
getting it stolen is much easier
it does have the advantage of the medbay however I will give it that
wet thunder
but did i say stock?
ts2 drive same as cat
how will they steal it when you dont even land? you are like 30 sec out
simple river
How do u get down to the surface if you dont land?
wet thunder
well just like my screen jump out
or press button for ramp then jump out
go in, sell/buy suicide, bye
its really broken
carmine fiber
Which quantum drive you are using @wet thunder ?
simple river
Does area 18 have it?
wet thunder
the ts2 is olisar
simple river
Ah damn
wet thunder
90k ithink
try it and go titanium jump from ramp hovering like 3-4m if you want just press close button before jumping (dont forget setting your medbay^^)
run in trade, suicide and you are off.
its a dream for selling lorville/arccorp. only need a one way ticket
simple river
That's perfect
wet thunder
its absolutely broken. and i did not refuell really, you can do hundrets of this small jumps and hydro just take a break while decoupled sailing and its full.
is this an issue council thing? or where can i let cig now
silver salmon
This will most likely be fixed by setting a new spawn location when you land your ship at a new landing pad. so you cant suicide back to the ship.
wet thunder
either deactivate medbay respawn in cities or give a cd when doing it or smth
i hope
ornate rock
is it really such a big deal?
neither suicide nor the med bed respawn are features that will stick around forever
wet thunder
well i didnt stop times but compared to the cat it feels more effective for sure.
ornate rock
when doing combat, I can suicide back to olisar, claim the ship, hop to another server and have a fresh set of missions and a freshly fueled / repaired ship for barely any cost.
wet thunder
not for one or two trade runs, but on two hours or more
simple river
Suiciding in area 18 to spawn at the sell point has been in the game for ever
It's the same idea
ornate rock
he does it the other way around, suiciding to get back to the ship... guess it evens out then
wet thunder
yep
simple river
Exactly
wet thunder
you can get start permisson with f11 dsell your stuff and by the time you got on pilotseat hangar is open
simple river
Besides fuck those stupid trams lol
wet thunder
if you want you can really abuse it. never run back to ship, no matter what port or outpost. theres no reason not to
ornate rock
I really wouldn't worry about the carrack having a slight advantage right now, it's an extra 200$ for a slight advantage during a phase where the amount of UEC you have barely matters anyway...
wet thunder
you are right. but it has to be said and looked into imo. cant compare trade profit really since everyones running wild with lancers and carracks
ornate rock
balance is not something they should worry about now tbh
carrack doesn't have its intended gameplay in the game, but they do want people to test the ship in its current form. makes sense to have it be OP compared to the cat that has been tested for a good while now.
haughty kiln
What is the best trade route at the moment? I'm in a freelancer with 50000 aUEC
rain fulcrum
Is there alternative to titanium? I used to make 100k per aryel -> Lorville but now it's 65k...
mental fulcrum
So, is the general oppion that the Carrak is > the Cat? Because the respawn option?
I would have thought the smaller cargo capacity would have evened that out?
brittle cove
so i learned I can die, have my co pilot drop my ship off at po then respawn, fly to po and sell like nothinghappened
so thats a huge plus
hot rune
Any 20%+ trade routes today? Everything yesterday got nerf'd and all the 18-24% stuff fell to 10-12%
thorn girder
anyone doing group mining on a mole that has open slots? i wld like to try out the mining mechanics
queen palm
what can you trade with 24%?
analog shell
gritty socket
what's the most up to date trade resource? I've been using gallog, but it led me astray the other night so I wanted to check
@queen palm slam maybe
hollow sedge
All the trade sites I've looked at haven't caught up to all the new trade prices out there. I've been doing my part on gallog and submitting updates on any runs I do.
hard raft
oooof
simple river
Has anyone found a way to earn more then 50k per cargo haul trip? Every time I buy larinite they run out of stock after I buy like 50 scu of it
rain fulcrum
Do titanium then
simple river
Ya that's what I fill the rest of my ship up with but titanium hardly earns any aUEC
gritty socket
@hollow sedge thanks, I'll do that too then. If there's no up to date one the best option is to make one up to date 🙂
hollow sedge
In my own experience trading it seems like all the real short haul routes have been most affected. Stuff like Wala to ArcCorp and Magda/Ariel to Hurston have seen the real big increase in commodity prices. Longer routes seem to offer the higher margins.
gritty socket
regarding filling out past the larinite, maybe agricium? its like a tiny bit less profitable by margin, but it costs a lot more per unit so it hypothetically works out well
gritty socket
No idea, just a thought
hollow sedge
Looking a commodity spreadsheet I don't see any location that sells both of those
gritty socket
Maybe some close by? The profit from it over titanium is probably worth a spline jump
gritty socket
Well iirc theres a pretty good hauling ship for sub ship of the month right now
simple river
The banu defender is a fighter not a hauling ship?
hollow sedge
Correct. Its pretty much made to be a long range escort fighter for the BMM
hollow sedge
The interior is oddly barren though. For a ship with two beds it has no toilet or food prep area that you would expect a long range ship to have.
Well I was just going to run scrap from R&R's to PO but every single one I go to is duplicated and I'm not messing with that.
plush mantle
lol, true, but you know, aliens... there's probably some organic goop dispenser hidden in the walls
and all the pilots are like, look, i know the specs say it's got a food prep area but i am not drinking that slushie
gritty socket
oh my b I thought the carrack was the subscriber ship, sorry
I guess there's just a crapton of people with carracks then, holy shit
plush mantle
imp-level subs get the carrack for a week, in addition to the sub ship of the month
by the end of the weekend shipping should calm down again
gritty socket
gotcha thats probably what gave me the idea initially. thanks
half widget
¿nje njekosara dzeo nyuYumano?
gritty socket
I really look forward to seeing the hull line in game
patent pagoda
I really look forward to seeing the Orion and Reclaimer usefull.
granite meteor
Repair, refuel, rearm, and tuning is really exciting to me
I'm hella down to be Crucible crew in the distant future
icy quarry
Hey, is there a good tool out there for calculating profitable cargo runs? I've been using versemate, but it doesnt seem to take into account inventory caps
granite meteor
I use Gallog.co > trade tab > commodities, from there, clicking individual commodities brings up location and stock volume + refresh info
They also have a simple starmap to help plot routes
I use a pencil and paper to jot down interesting routes
icy quarry
Nice. I just noticed the link in pinned messages. Was messing around with it. Looks very well put together. Thanks for giving me a bit of direction with using it.
leaden reef
how much qf does the carrack have rightn ow anyone know
orion is going to be epic. will probably be over 1k on release
icy quarry
44000
Carrack can go a long time without refueling. Be warned though, the one time I've actually stopped to refuel it, the station wouldnt top it off. Maybe a limit on how much fuel you can buy at one time (or, it could have just been bugged for me. Lol)
proven token
Crazy, going to have to contract a private starfarer :)
Cant wait for the fuel stuff to be in
icy quarry
Starfueling, I imagine, is going to be tricky business in a fully fleshed out PU.
"Is that beacon way out in the black a stranded carrack? Or pirates looking to steal fuel?"
leaden reef
and i think refuel is bugged. had the same issue a few hours ago using a buccaneer
icy quarry
Yea, could be. don't get me wrong. It gave me back a considerable amount. I'm good for a while. But I was like "oo, going to have to watch my fuel a bit more carefully."
leaden reef
anyone trade at a18? that place had instadeath misplaced no fly zones so i dont go there anymore
hasty zenith
@icy quarry I'm able to refuel the Carrack all the way, I just use outposts to refuel cause, given how long it takes to refuel an almost empty tank, I feel like the stations and spaceports are more likely to cancel landing clearance or store the ship before the process can complete.
leaden reef
i thought it was instant
icy quarry
@hasty zenith yes, I was at a hur truckstop when I did mine.
undone ibex
wth i cant sell diamonds in loreville? did i miss something?
icy quarry
Whoops. Yea, gotta take the tram to the business district.
clear tiger
anyone want to run mining? i have a mole
shut gate
@clear tiger right now?
clear tiger
@clear tiger right now?
@shut gate yeah
shut gate
join group 5 for voice
verbal orchid
So I have a question that I can’t really find an answer to online, is it better to wait around and completely fill your ship at an outpost, or just grab whatever they have and leave?
worthy scroll
Due to the risk of 30k's, I'd say grab what you can and go. Waiting around only increases the risk.
But that's just me.
coral drum
☝️
leaden reef
i would just grab whatever is good and then check out another outpost
refill is generally too slow
once i was waiting for a refill tick and literally someone bought something and made it drop instead
bought on another server
does anyone here sell at area18? im still scared of the misplaced insta-kill no fly zones that i encountered before.
granite meteor
I prefer Lorville, but I have on occasion
It's hazardous at the best of times
Fly safe
iron barn
Does anyone have an idea of the new legal commodities being introduced in 3.9?
leaden reef
never heard about new commodities
but i saw something about fragile cargo
oh yeah quantanium
hasty zenith
@leaden reef I ran a load of Titanium from HDMS-Bezdek to Area 18 perfectly fine last night. Are you approaching Riker Memorial Spaceport from too low of an altitude? I don't understand how you keep getting killed by the No-Fly Zones. I'd recommend always approaching the spaceports from high altitude to ensure that you don't run into the NFZ's.
leaden reef
havent been to a18 after ptu
might be fixed
when you would leave the hangar by going straight up you would blow up
hasty zenith
That's weird. Of all the times I've been to Area 18 and out, I never blew up from taking off. Even with taking off from a Carrack in a large hangar, which is a tight fit for L hangars.
patent pagoda
Had a Cat full of Agricium explode at A18 out of nowhere the other day.
wraith tree
damn
shipping is just toooooo unstable right now
best to mine where you don't lose any investments
leaden reef
wow
ive blown up twice qting. once to a place on the horizon, which the patch notes said not to do. and the other straight into the planet as the destination was on the other side (usually it works).
ionic wasp
trying to get into mining. it's like everyone and their mother has a helix. from what I'm hearing, there's virtually no point to mining if you don't have a goddamned helix. but I'm renting the prospector, so I can't even upgrade to that. feels like I'm stuck in a catch 22 where I can't make money without a helix, but to get the helix, I need more money
leaden reef
I tried it out with the helix. Doesn't really compare with profits from trading, at least relative to time spent.
I'm sure CIG has all the data already
patent pagoda
@ionic wasp Why not just BUY a prospector or a M.O.L.E.?
plush mantle
anyone have advice on how to find rocks quickly in the prospector? every time i've gone out it's been 10-15 mins between a rock and i end up doing like 10k/hour
paper forge
this is why mole is bit superior to prospector due to better scan range, but honestly never had issues near crusader with lack of rocks 😮
patent pagoda
Magda, Cruise control about 50 over redline and pump 15ks
paper forge
you can try overclock ur ping, but not sure if this improve anything
patent pagoda
I dont believe overclocking does anything period, someone can prove me wrong but I've never seen it do anything noticeable in terms of mining or searching
plush mantle
ah, thanks, i was on lyria and it was super frustrating
i went over 200km in a straight line without a single rock
paper forge
i had feeling like overclocking light up more rocks than without it, but its subjective matter 😉
plush mantle
are there landscapes to look for or something or is it just purely random?
balmy panther
Seems to be random. I tend to hang out near mountain foothills
patent pagoda
It is very dependent on what areas of a planet you are on, Thake Magda for example, the blue mountainous areas are covered in deposits but lack densities (usually) while the brown areas are few and far between. Where the mountains are and the brown meets the blue I have found a good ammount of payday rocks with 300-500Kgs of pure laranite bexalite etc.
Aberdeen's southern hemisphere can be very lucrative.
Lyria near the northern pole has produced but I've also traveled entire continents there without running into any take-away
plush mantle
yea, that was my experience with lyria. i kept QTing to different locations and just finding one rock after 15 mins
you said pump 15ks -- is that a scanner zoom amount?
patent pagoda
Its the max range for the scanner
plush mantle
ah, the tiny tiny circle?
patent pagoda
If you are traveling under CC at a speed about double redline the full scan should be long enough to give you the right ammount of time to deactivate CC and align and stop to make the mining effecient
and I tend to lign up the circle on the scanner to the larger curves on the HUD so a large circle but not the max size
paper forge
this is why i preffer Celin/Yela/Daymar
plush mantle
kk. and do you point the scanner at the horizon, the mountains themselves, the ground? not quite sure what the best way is
patent pagoda
It is a full spherical scan
The graphical aspect is only for effect visually... It scans in a bubble around the ship
plush mantle
oh weird. i thought that when the scanner was more than 1x it was only a slice of your view
what does zooming the scanner actually do then?
patent pagoda
I believe it is intended to focus its "power" but (again, from what I have seen and tested with multi-crew MOLE runs) I do not think it does anything YET
I scan, my laser operators scan, and we pick up stuff in every direction often having to change my course to head to a deposit one of my guys sees on our 7 or 5 o'clock
Asteroid fields are the same often finding stuff completely above, below, behind or a combination of both
Regardless of focus or direction
plush mantle
oh wow, i had no idea... and here i was thinking i had scanned a mountain in the distance
does the 100% charge make a difference?
patent pagoda
Yes it is directly correlated to recharge time and distance covered
plush mantle
awesome, thanks. man, this should help a lot
patent pagoda
Faster you are moving the ship the less time you will have to slow it down so you want to use bigger scans
If I have a couple guys scanning with me I will often have the main laser OP do big scans, side guys do half scans and I use it about 1/3rd to locate directioally where the next site of intrest is as i almost always fly
plush mantle
is that a special ability of the mole to have multiple people scanning at the same time? when i had a friend copiloting the carrack only one of us could actually ping at a time
patent pagoda
All operational seats in the MOLE can scan
plush mantle
(i could see him charging and pinging, which was cool)
damn that's cool
now i understand how the mole can mine enough rocks for 4 people's pay
plush mantle
i mean it's hit or miss whether i can see people XD
patent pagoda
If you bring guys with backpacks and fill them (30k a piece) and fill the ship with good stuff (120k+) every guy/gal walks with 60k ish
plush mantle
how long is the run usually?
patent pagoda
and you arent just flying from point A to point B with cargo so its at least exploration and interesting
A picky run can be around an hour
plush mantle
not bad
patent pagoda
About max for moles gas reserves too
plush mantle
how do you handle refueling the mole? do you just claim it at the end of the run or take the fuel cost out of the split?
patent pagoda
I usually eat the fuel costs or "keep the change"
If we cash in at 131300 I will just keep the 1300
plush mantle
oh ok, so it's not that bad of a cost then
i just remember seeing absurd refuel costs on the carrack
patent pagoda
A big hydro fill up is oly a couple k
If you decend with full fuel and hit surface with 95-94% you have about an hour run
If you know what you are doing in terms of flying the mole... You can use more/less depending on how efficient/wastey you fly it
plush mantle
that's super cool. i'm hoping persistence gets long term enough that i can buy one in game for my friends
i've got a prospector for myself since i like mining, but i can't really justify another $300 for multi-crew mining
patent pagoda
I'll sell you mine when the Orion drops... Or if wee are in the same Org you can just use it
plush mantle
cool, thanks
one of my friends loves hauling too, so i'm pretty hype about the eventual gameplay of refueling the mole while it's out and having someone swap in the pods and hook up empties
supple kelp
can someone give me a crash-course in hauling effectively
hollow sedge
look for good trade routes where you can buy low and sell high
should help you out loads
need a ship which can hold some cargo and starting capital
then you're set
robust rose
starting capital is hard part for me haha i got the misc freelancer which i think holds a bit tho
hollow sedge
i got my first 70k with box missions
try and get missions and cargo combo's
makes proces faster
i really enjoy finding routes
but hauling isnt for everyone
robust rose
just found a way to make capitol an then hopefully start hauling
valid glade
hey can you sell cargo from a stored ship? i was trying to get to the terminal in Lorville and my ship got stored while i was on the train ride and now i cant seem to select the cargo im trying to sell at the terminal
hollow sedge
yup
patent pagoda
You need the other terminal
If it has BUY and SELL on the top of the screen it is the wrong one for minerals, if it does it is for comodities
patent pagoda
2 different sets of PCs
valid glade
where do i have to go to sell diamonds?
valid glade
ok ill try that
hollow sedge
its a huge golden building once you exit the train
valid glade
once inside huge golden building where would i need to go?
hollow sedge
keep to the left until you see transfers
patent pagoda
@valid glade lol That was my exact avatar on PokerStars like 10 years ago.... Like to a T
valid glade
hah yeah. it was a notable moment in the movie it stuck with me
hollow sedge
Did you find the trading station?
valid glade
yeah just now
it worked just fine
I just didnt realize there was a difference in the terminals
you guys got any tips on how to make some cash with a MAX?
which runs might be worth the time investment?
patent pagoda
valid glade
well thats a handy tool
clear tiger
anyone want to mine with me?
ionic wasp
I don't have the luxury of being able to just go out and buy the prospector. I'm frankly gonna be glad to break it even on the rental at this point
I thought mining was supposed to be a more risk-free, reliable way of slowly building up your income. instead, all I'm getting is "tough luck" and "you need a helix"
gritty socket
Mining is one of the top earners, its not supposed to be 100% risk free
fringe kettle
sooo
what i gather from the crusader industries portfolio is that crusader is about to make an appearance
hasty zenith
Well, that was a first. I just had my Carrack blow up in mid-air above a hangar at Area 18. 300k in cargo lost.
hasty zenith
Might've been the restricted area bug, even though I swear I was within the safe zone.
plush mantle
man, that sucks
hasty zenith
I made my final alignment with the hangar and was moving in for final, then it blew up.
ionic wasp
how would you guys recommend I build my way up to fully buying a prospector?
I don't have a helix so I can't crack some of the better rocks I find
I'm just barely making a return on the 1 day rental; roughly around 10k per run right now
patent pagoda
@ionic wasp If you wanna team up with my guys later on tonight I split profits fairly and we can at least make you some cash.
ionic wasp
yo I just got a rock with 92 mass and 22% bexalite. is this good?
patent pagoda
Yes
ionic wasp
nice. maybe my luck is turning, if only temporarily
patent pagoda
Bex is one of the best elements
You can also learn how to hot-spot and "cook" rocks outside of a lasers fracture threshold
Gets you a shot at some of the bigger rocks with a base laser but it takes time and effort
@ionic wasp This should be saved to memory till you can recite it if you plan to mine a lot
ionic wasp
and how would I go abouts learning how to hot-spot and "cook" rocks that are outside of the default laser's fracture threshold?
multiple times I've come upon big ass rocks with something like 22% agricium but I just couldn't dent it no matter what.
patent pagoda
It's easier to show someone than to explain it but I will try
plush mantle
is it possible to just borrow someone's prospector btw, without risking despawn when you get back to base or issues selling the minerals?
patent pagoda
Cant sell
plush mantle
ah shoot
patent pagoda
Owner has to sell