@pseudo dome
#industrial-professions
jovial berry
patent pagoda
Did a 2.5 hours today with 3 others I found in global (I know right?!?!?) and ended up pulling in over 130k a run twice no problems. Down to 2 of us and hit a 1400kg chunk of %100 pure Agricum only to get it all loaded and 30k while leaving atmosphere... Dem feels doe.
Not a huge payout or anything but a good split and a lot of fun when every laser has a person who knows what they are doing and your all chatting.
jovial berry
that's exactly what i love about this game
patent pagoda
As lonely as space feels in this game when you got buddies with you its a blast and makes you not harsh on the glitches... Plus a wipe is always coming so grinding is silly
acoustic mauve
yep
pseudo dome
@jovial berry : yup, at least I plan to rent one to try out (: I do actually have a friend that wants to do mining, but probably wont get a full crew.
jovial berry
2 man moles are cool
pseudo dome
Nice (:
patent pagoda
@pseudo dome I’m always open to strangers on my rig as long as you don’t shoot me in the back of the head as soon as we get out of armastice
steel hazel
im convinced surface mining was nerfed
i never find good material. the resistance level of rocks makes no sense to me when one is higher than the other but isnt consistent with if i can break them or not with stock prospector mining laser
im like 5k short of a helix and im losing my mind
patent pagoda
Get the Helix and I will be a lot easier, plus as a personal tip, I have been mining for quite some time and two things make mining a lot better and more efficient. First, be picky and only grab the big money rocks with heavy concentration. Second, cruise control. Learn to fly low fast and pump 7-10k scans over and over. Bad rock? Resume cruise. Good rock?...crack assess scoop and haul ass.
Think of it this way, if you stop and pick through every other rock that has a small shred of good shit to grab that’s a ten min stop, it took you around 5 to fly, scan, locate and approach the claim. So doing it like that 4 rocks of picking and plucking could take you almost an hour with atmosphere descent a full hour. If you are pumping the scan and rolling fast the 10 mins spent on a killer rock and say fuck the rest you will fill more of your ships hold with valuable spice, less inert.
And you may view 20 rocks but only crack 3
steel hazel
@patent pagoda i appreciate it. Finally got my helix I’m gonna go try again.
patent pagoda
I don’t know if you burn the midnight oil @steel hazel but I should be on in about 40 or so mins. I’d be happy to roll with you in my mole or yours.
Show you some of my spots or the tricks I use... Typically get 120k+ always, 140k average, I don’t even pick up hedonist anymore as it takes too much time and risks a 30k server melt.
Hedonite* I would always stop to pick up a Hedonist in need
Mining is lonely and we need some “friends of the road”
hollow sedge
hey guys, whats a good cargo to do in the freelancer whilst on 60k?
hollow sedge
thank you
patent pagoda
No
Np
Cargo is risky this era though, be warned. If I run my cat I only fly, full, fly and sell then on to a full game restart.
hollow sedge
yeah I've been running cargo. i've lost many a load to the 30k
but I enjoy it most so I take the losses
one day I'll earn enough to get a catepillar
steel hazel
@patent pagoda I totally am just seeing this now but maybe a rain check? I’m def crashing really soon. Add me on here or in game same username
pseudo dome
Maybe I'll take you up on that offer sometime @patent pagoda (:
Thanks for all the tips in this channel guys
odd sinew
I've been trying to work on and use some of the trade route planning tools, and one things that I'm finding annoying as if I set like Olisar as a starting point, the route planners are calculating as if I will be able to get a full hold of medical supplies
Are there any planning tools that sort of reflect a more accurate cargo acquiring from each point? Or is it more like something I have to take into account and manually adjust for
arctic blaze
that is up to you to manage
odd sinew
That's what I thought, but doesn't hurt to double-check
quasi hull
guys if i mod the power generator on a prospector will that give me more powerful lasers?
arctic blaze
nope
zinc geode
To get more power for mining you need a better mining head
hollow sedge
Question. Does all types of cargo take up 100 for 1 in space?
patent pagoda
I may be wrong but I believe all things you buy or salvage are broken down into the units as a measure of space in the shipping bay/cargo hold. Mining materials can obviously take up fractions of 1 unit but aside from that I don’t know if vices or say medical supplies can be purchased or held in less than 1.
patent pagoda
In all honesty I have never really traded anything but Larinite, booze or E'Tam so my scope of knowledge is limited.
quasi hull
anyone up for a propector party
bleak forge
I'm inside a cave now and when I aim the multi tool (hold mouse right button) it aims but no hud is appearing?
patent pagoda
Keybind INSPECT to something and inspect the drill, if that does not work drop it and pick it up again. If all else fails make sure you have a mining bit and not a cutting torch.
Keep the keybind handy as it’s the same glitch for weapons and they won’t fire until you inspect.
agile marsh
tacit agate
hey anyone on a multicrew mining ship i could join to earn some credits? how does that work btw do i get to keep the minerals i drill with my turret or? new player here
white cobalt
shell rampart
fuck the crashes, lost 300k again
maiden brook
@shell rampart so angry you shared it several times. The game is in ALPHA, it will crash. Get used to that and plan around it. Dont pour all your credits into one single trip. Space it out.
shell rampart
Thank you for that insight i already know.....
and yes I know its alpha, thanks AGAIN for pointing that out!
maiden brook
You are most welcome and welcome again for the reminder. 🙂
Glad to be of assistance
shell rampart
you did not do shit for assistance 🙂
maiden brook
Again glad I could impart my knowledge.
shell rampart
your knowledge of nothing?
maiden brook
Well...at least I dont lose 300k in runs. So....there is that. 🙂
Have a good one sir
shell rampart
You want a cookie for that? WTF does that have to do with server crashes.
How about you stop being an ass and STFU
iron finch
Holy shit dude
You need to walk away and come back when you’re ready to stop acting like a child
shell rampart
LOL that's a good one there, thank you for not letting one have their own opinion. If you really want me to act like a child i can, but that is not what this is about.
iron finch
You made a mistake by staking too much money on one run, it happens. Best case scenario moving forward is that you learn from it
Worst case scenario moving forward is what you’re doing now. Shooting down anyone and everyone and probably going off to make the same mistake
shell rampart
See I am ok with that type of answer, Ty
but telling me its alpha and I already know its alpha is BS
iron finch
That’s literally what Mokono told you
shell rampart
Sorry no its not
iron finch
“Don’t pour all your credits into one single trip. Space it out.”
shell rampart
I didnt, I still have left overs
white cairn
Chill the fuck out
shell rampart
LOL
jovial berry
I think you're at the wrong discord pal, look for #needmentalassistance
grim bolt
@shell rampart should probably watch this and take notes... ;) https://youtu.be/t-yaYCgI288
shell rampart
@grim bolt Im sure you took lots of notes from it since you have this..... Thanks for letting me know how you are.
grim bolt
It's good to keep on hand, I meet a lot of toxic people when playing Siege. As for me, I'm old enough to have my feelings under control. ;)
shell rampart
Oh I am old alright and have anger management issues the VA could not help with sorry....
white cairn
Next person to talk gets the smack
rose ginkgo
@shell rampart Thank you for your service. Deep breaths bud 
storm fern
Yeah the 30ks are annoying i hear that!... that was the proper response to someone venting, take note Mokono. Glad to impart my knowledge, social skills 101..
plush mantle
Speaking of 30k, I heard someone today saying they dodged one earlier by logging out and then finding their ship again. Does anyone know if your cargo will still be there if you bed log, or if there’s some other way to dodge it if the server feels funny?
arctic blaze
this can happen when u set up a bed into ur ship, and the 30k wasnt due to server crash but player disconnect
you can log back into the game within ur ship with full cargo
narrow patrol
ya if you think your server is fixin to crash ,log out in bbed and join a diffrent server ..
and finding the same server that your ship is on is really hard to do but if you was lucky anuff to get on the same server that your ship was on then yes you could go and get the ship but he hahahe i hav only been able to find my ship once ...
plush mantle
ahh cool, thanks, so it's not like... a quick fix to save the cargo then
narrow patrol
as you caant pick the server that your ship mite be on ,or you cant pick difrent servers that you would like to check ...bummer
plush mantle
huh, so logging back on after a bed logout just makes a new copy of your ship if you get a new server, then?
narrow patrol
yes you can save and log out on your ship tho and come back to where you was when you loged out
but on a diffrent server]
worthy scroll
Ok so I got a Prospector to try out, did all my mining keybinds, but I can't get the thing to shoot. I've mined before in a Mole and didn't have a problem, but this thing just isn't working.
Everything works other than actually making it fire.
Hmm, it finally just started working on it's own.
maiden brook
press right shift
sometimes that will prevent most things from working. Not even sure what left shift is honestly. Just know it works when Im "stuck".
sonic anchor
@worthy scroll A neat little trick that's worth mentioning, is the ability to overclock your mining head and your ping. Set your speed to roughly 90 via limiter, and climb to 900 - 1100. The ping will be most effective at highlighting potential resources for you
granite meteor
Also fly backwards if on a planet
worthy scroll
Yeah I'm finding stuff just fine. New problem is at 100% the laser won't heat up any of the rocks. I put a Helix on it and it's not doing anything at all.
granite meteor
Get closer?
worthy scroll
Is touching the rock close enough?
granite meteor
Like kissing close?
Oh dang
Afaik that should do it, they may have changed some rocks to require several beams now, I don't remember seeing it in the patch notes
worthy scroll
This is what I'm dealing with. The rock energy level never moves.
I've tried 10-15 rocks now and it's the same with every one.
Well that's enough of that for now. I've been messing with it for over and hour and got nothing for it.
granite meteor
Weird, that's frustrating as heck
tame mason
Anyone know if you can spawn a reclaimer at Levski or is it only area 18, and Lorville?
zinc geode
@worthy scroll ive had that few times, i was able to fix it by basically "did you try turning it off and on again?"ing my ship. Land, turn power off, then turn it back on then back to mining
granite meteor
@tame mason Only Lorville and Area 18, it used to spawn at Olisar, but no longer does
patent pagoda
@worthy scroll There is no reason even a base laser wont crack a 3k rock with R of .18 There are a lot of bugs with the mining seats, often the visual laser switches and you have to hit extractor beam to crack and reset, turn off and on like @zinc geode said or get out of the seat and back in. I often have to Tab-Tab and that works for me. Sometimes the laser heads mysteriously detach from your ship and you have to re equip them. Point is, the only rocks that laser won't touch is higher resistance and around 5k+. Some will tell you otherwise but if you actually know how to use the laser and heat a rock (most players just point and shoot the same spot, this isn't how its really going to be done in the end game) you can do a lot with base or even slight upgrades, if nothing is happening you are definitely in a glitched seat.
steel hazel
So does moving the laser around the rock help I always just moved it til I found a sweet spot
zinc geode
moving it around can help
patent pagoda
@steel hazel There are sweet spots and easier areas to hit in the rock
steel hazel
Yeah I’ve just always found a sweet spot and held it
Once I did waggle the laser all over until it broke but once I got that helix
Boye
patent pagoda
the idea as a mini-game is you want to heat up a small area of the sweetspot and use it in as low power as you can run
As I read it the optimal power levels are the area where you will be left with the optimal pieces for harvesting and read as a percent. So if a rock reads out as an optimal power level of .50-.65 if you can manage to crack the rock inside of those parameters you will be left with a nice safe break and good pieces, weather it works like that yet is hard to prove but placebo effect will have you running your lasesr differently. I have broken many rocks at 5k+ mass with sub par lasers while the hints are telling me I cant by heating "soft" spots and creating a "heat pool" and working off that.
steel hazel
This is all stuff I’ll need to remember. I also am caving and getting a mole this weekend lol
That ship looks too fun to have a crew with
patent pagoda
ANytime man just let me know lol. Im going to make a video about the way I crack big rocks using low power and see if it helps anybody and hopefully I get some glitches while recording so it will be addressed the way I fix it. We'll see.
fierce jungle
hi guys - just did the black box recovery mission on levski - filled my ship with yellow boxes, what seemed to be somekind of wheat and other cubic cargo thingies...
went back to levski to deliver the box and somehow the rest...
gave back the black box - check - went back to my ship - ALL BOXES GONE!
is this normal?
are the yellow boxes (from the crash site) even worth anything - or able to being sold?
half grotto
Generally no, the random boxes you'll find are not worth the time and effort to load up
worthy scroll
@zinc geode @patent pagoda I'll give both of those a shot when I get on later, if the same problem persists.
worthy scroll
Mining seems to be working now. The Prospector seems weird though, I found one rock full of taranite and filled my entire hold from that one rock.
Almost 57k from that one trip though so I guess I can't complain.
worthy scroll
So what are the hot mining places for a Prospector? I've looked up some info on it, went to Cellin and got a couple 52-57k payouts there, but the rocks are so rare, you spend forever just looking for one, then even longer looking for one worth it. Went to Daymar and found a lot of rocks but none worth taking.
silver salmon
Think there is a video in pinned. Look at that @worthy scroll
steel hazel
I usually do Daymar but what I really wanna do is asteroid fields. I’m not sure how to do those
Whenever I went to one I would scan and nothing happens lol I’m clearly doing it wrong
worthy scroll
I've done asteroids in a mole with my org, I think you have to go to a specific place.
It's nice getting more than 50k from one rock, but man it takes forever to find that rock.
steel hazel
I was happy that once I got a Helix it was easier. Id rather search for ten min til I found the perfect rock to hit
I can’t wait to get a mole tbh lol
worthy scroll
Yeah I put a Helix on it before I even spawned it for the first time.
steel hazel
I did...not. And I was miserable lmao
And...I melted my prospector to try another ship, went back to the prospector, gotta buy the helix again lol
worthy scroll
Yeah I melted a fully decked out DUR and 325A for it.
steel hazel
Once I get the mole it’ll be all I have lol, then I know what’s gonna happen I’ll cave and get a Pisces or something on the side and then the cycle repeats
It’ll be Oh hey I’m close to a carrack price and if it goes on sale again I’ll have that soon after
I need help lol
patent pagoda
When you get the mole you get a base Anvil Hornet too
You should also have the MISC Freelancer as well
jovial berry
@steel hazel well at least you didn't get the cutlass 3 weeks ago, then spent 700$ to hit the 750 mark 4 days ago, melt everything 2 days ago, and get the exploration pack and upgrade to the mole from the terrapin, like my friend lol
steel hazel
Hahaha dude this game is infectious
I love star citizen I’m happy to pledge and be part of it so the money toward it doesn’t bother me
More industrial stuff it’s all I want
patent pagoda
Also asteroid fields are bugged in the current build, as soon as you crack a rock they tend to disappear. Ive heard of some people being able to harvest some stuff but its hit or miss.
jovial berry
True.... i did the same but i did that over a few months, he just started playing 3 weeks ago lol
steel hazel
Unfortunately haha
patent pagoda
::SAd face emoji::
patent pagoda
lol thats usually when I work the bar
When I have my kiddo though she naps so I have a big window in the middle so we will have to get together
steel hazel
It will happen I gotta see this mole before I cave
Asteroid mining is what I really wanna do too it’s so much more chill than skrrrt’ing along the dirt for rocks lol
patent pagoda
Mining Magda is beautiful, once MicroTec is minable and the other moons come in it should be a lot of fun.
steel hazel
I’m gonna need you to show me those sweet spots lol
patent pagoda
bet
I should say MicroTec with the new materials and moons, you can mine Micro now as is but its meh.
steel hazel
Do you find better places to sell to? I was doing Daymar to PO and constantly hoping I wasn’t gonna get rammed lol
smoky sorrel
"Activity" on OrgList is tricky to understand. Anyone possibly happy to list me the main transportation/hauling specialist orgs out there? Who would you trust with cargo if you had a lot on the line?
steel hazel
One day
smoky sorrel
Yeah to clarify I ask only in the same context as "contracting" a pmc for security.
When it's in the game oneday
steel hazel
You could always pretend! 😎
patent pagoda
It is possible. You could say “invest” the money into my company and set what you felt comfortable with as a trip limit. Let’s hypothetically say 5 for fun, so I would then run 5 cat loads of laranite, using your money for a less return on my end but also less risk. I make all the runs we both get paid. I get 30k on run 3 we both lose some scratch.
Essentially asking someone to run the cargo because the buyer doesn’t have the ship but has capital to invest.
steel hazel
Yeah I mean all of that is totally viable in something like eve but there was actually valuable things to transport other than just to sell for uec
I’m hoping orgs will get banks or some sort of storage in the future
Right now I feel like the payouts would be so rough to split to yourself and the investor but, I’m also not a math
Adding layers of player driven content im all about it
queen palm
whats a good place to mine with a prospector near PO?
steel hazel
@wraith tree do you have better luck there than on Daymar?
wraith tree
generally, I'v tried other planets that have higher value stuff but its much much harder to find
I prefer a lot of fast moderate profitable runs on Yela to a slow highly profitable run
tired harness
Hi all. Need Help. My rented prospector shows all cargo as ilegal. Is there a workaround? I just Lost all my hard earned cash to rent ir and cant play anymore until timer finishes
steel hazel
how much did it cost to rent? i dont think theres anything anyone can honestly help you with on that tbh @tired harness sounds like a bug that should be reported
tired harness
- I know its alpha and know Theres a wipe coming... But its frustating. Im new to the game and trying to find a way to make Money safely and having fun. The time i spent prospector mining was cool. But annoyed when i tried to sell and couldnt. Doesnt make me wanna go back so soon cause i woukd have to make deliveries to BE able to rent again. Mercs missions ir bounty are hard for my ships. I either get any easy One but the Next mission i get onetapped by a bunch of ships. Prosp mining was the activity i was having fun and hoping to earn Money to buy new ships and modules. But well... Its alpha.
steel hazel
you can make that back easily! get a mining tool and do hand mining a few times and you can easily have enough for another rental.
you can stack about 28k doing 4 box runs from grim hex, two going to the same place each also. do you lose the rental if it gets destroyed? Ive never rented. ive just dumped money into the game instead lol
maybe someone will have a mole and can do some runs with you. can always just shout out in a server or #looking-for-session to see if anyones doing some money makin stuff @tired harness Sorry for your issue though, that sucks
tired harness
Thanks. Ill just grind a bit more. I find fps mining boring since caves are so big. Sometimrs u just die for being tio close. But ill do that anyway
violet moon
leaving teasa for mining and such in 15 min
maiden brook
too close to what?
worthy scroll
I thought I'd hate mining but I'm actually enjoying it a lot. Even more now that I can pull 50-70k+ a run.
polar summit
How long a run??
worthy scroll
20-30 mins on a guess.
It did just bug out on me again, can't break rocks anymore.
I went from 20k to 550k in a couple days without grinding at all, only going 2-3 runs at a time.
raven scaffold
@worthy scroll you bought the prospector or are renting it?
worthy scroll
Melted stuff and bought
tall quiver
oh wrong channel lol
steel hazel
How dare you
steel hazel
I want uec persistence to last so bad so I can grind and collect everything tbh
Instead I guess I’ll just buy a Mole
cries in wallet
shell rampart
Is there a way to retrieve a ship on a moon? I have a ship with cargo on a moon but the place has no terminal. Id like to not lose my cargo lol
steel hazel
I’m having difficulty understanding your situation exactly. Are you still with your ship on said moon? Or
We’re you killed and your only option is to claim
shell rampart
I was D/C and came back to where my ship was. I went too buy more cargo and it shows my ship there to add even more cargo to it. But it is not there
I see the ship here, it is not destroyed, is there a way to recover it?
long cloak
was your ship on the pad or in a hangar when you D/C'd?
shell rampart
the place has none
long cloak
so it was an outpost?
shell rampart
figured, ty
long cloak
np dude
shell rampart
just wanted to make surre
long cloak
we've all been there
hollow sedge
where should i mine?
raven scaffold
worthy scroll
I've had good luck on Cellin and Yela.
steel hazel
I had good luck until I looked over at my other screen watching a show and I totally put my prospector into the ground. Did a couple cool flips and blew up lmao
worthy scroll
I may or may not have done that last night too...
raven scaffold
That could be it's own sub, R/iblewmyselfup
worthy scroll
Oh really now
patent pagoda
Cruse control has some fun “quirks and features”
steel hazel
i was just holding W and watching my other screen and may have slid my mouse down lol
twin sky
Is it possible to put the stuff you're carrying in your backpack into your cargo hold? I saw something that suggested as such in the inventory wheel
steel hazel
@twin sky yes though Ive never tried to sell it but you can basically convert it into a box
grim bolt
Apparently if you do this to create boxes, once you get ~5-6 boxes in your craft, things start getting weird and (potentially) unstable. So do some testing before you travel around with 20 boxes, so you can avoid losing them 😉
steel hazel
sounds like a good thing to keep stress testing
hollow sedge
Morning all. With the new mining deposits coming into the game a few friends and I got to thinking about ways to make money off of it. Let's say I'm in the prospector and fina large vein of x. I could make me it myself for days or maybe even sell the location(not mining rights or any ownership) to an org that runs several moles. The question is this. How would you determine the value of the information? The only suggestion we came up with was by counting rocks or amount . Any ideas?
steel hazel
veins wont be permanent
they will be depleted and spawn all over. they want the mining locations to rotate basically
steel hazel
too early to tell that kind of loop
but yes information will definitely be worth it in the future, its how they want it to be
so exploration has meaning instead of just a whole "look ive been here" kind of loop like say in Elite dangerous
hollow sedge
Sorry your responses are confusing. So, a mining vein per the video will stay until depleted. If you choose not to mine it it's not going to despawn so I can sell the location. I'm just wondering if the community has a way or knows of a way to determine value
steel hazel
like i said its too early to tell what value ANYTHING will have
were still in alpha
prices are not final. supply and demand in systems are not in play
yes a vein will persist until its mined
but as far as mining it for days
remains to be seen
hollow sedge
Haha. I'll just leave the question here. Seems like the "we are in alpha " end all comment happens quit a bit. I understand the value of the rocks I mined last night and I'm not asking for end game thoughts here. Thanks for your input. It was helpful
jovial berry
Well you'll have to determine how much is the spot worth
Sell it for 20% of profit and move along
But i doubt it'll be as easy as said 😂
hollow sedge
Yes sir. Having someone to sell it to will be just as hard. We talked of a finder's fee and doing a % of total net worth but you really need to trust the guy your selling the info to
I sparked this same conversation with a Dev friend. He is working on a calculator that would allow for the total weight and % to be added. Then it would give you current price profit. @jovial berry I'm more like "Give me 20$ for the gas I spent" haha
jovial berry
Hahaha
We'll get there i guess
Hopefully the mining locations aka "vines " will be the way we assume
hollow sedge
I'm hoping we can mark them for easy finding later. Be cool to have like an offer table of sorts. I put the location (hidden u til after the exchange) the person puts the money up and we both hit agree
steel hazel
i mean say you find a location that had rocks of something rare all over, that would be something i could see a mining org pay like 100k or something for the coordinate
its just how that will all play out gameplay wise
thats why exploration sounds like it will be awesome
hollow sedge
Yup. Thats the type of gameplay I'm hoping for. I enjoy mining and all but I also want to have a freedom of movement. Larger orgs could mine in one session what would take me a long while.
patent pagoda
Personally I couldn’t imagine a decent mining operation paying anything for someone’s info. Any solid setup is going to have exploration vessels that scout first and then the heavy equipment will come in. The inability to also mark specific coordinates other than beacon spamming isn’t permanent and therefore not a viable way of trading info. All this also relies on persistence and server meshing as I’m not positive but the way things are now mining minerals are different on every server and you can also not pick server. The reason “it’s an alpha” is such an annoying response to people who bathe in optimism and a completely viable explanation to those that dwell in logic is simple. Hope it works out the way you want and you might be thrilled. Wait and deal with what you actually get and you may not be disappointed. Wasting time on plans for things that may never materialize is just that. It depends on how you view the fun factor of discussing what may never be.
steel hazel
^^ this is very true
patent pagoda
I would however consider buying info from an NPC as it would be viable, accurate and produce a return.
hollow sedge
@patent pagoda It's true it all depends. The we are in alpha is annoying because people over use it. " Hey I found a bug" alpha , " hey this isn't working correctly" alpha " hey this ship needs x" alpha. If we as a community continue to shut down conversation with this logic we shouldn't be upset with what we don't agree with. This conversation could have ended but instead we are having a nice little chat about the alpha stage , beginning, first glance at new features . Cig I'm sure reads here as well right? So maybe this conversation about their alpha game can spur some imagination into their thought process.
On the same note. I enjoy theory crafting and getting others involved.
patent pagoda
I would surely hope so! I’ve got a Reclaimer sitting in a garage waiting for a mechanic to be implemented and a mole that is frothing at the mouth for a backup refinery ship to pickup it’s loads planetside.
steel hazel
i do too. i just dont really get too into it just yet because so much can change
that star runner looks promising
something you could do those exploration runs in
hollow sedge
One of my favorite sayings "CIG is selling us our imaginations and making a killing at it"
patent pagoda
At this point I’m just hoping for salvage and the “war” mode (forget what it’s called) next large patch.
steel hazel
theatres of war
and yes salvage. that would also need the drone play and all too i hope
hollow sedge
I'd maintain that 64.36% of ppl use it to defend the game while the additional 35.64 % use it to stifle conversation that could benefit us as a player group. Ofcouse out of that 95% you leave the additional 5% that just want to talk the game up and have fun with the thought "what if" That being said 76.349% of all statistics are made up on the spot . @vivid sleet either way we are all hoping our backed dollars add up to something worth playing
K, but none of it applies to the above conversation. No one forces a response in chat. If it's a waste of time to talk about it why respond?
Agreed. But the "It's alpha" shouldn't be crammed down someone's throat either. It's become some kind of mantra. And Everytime it's used the person on the receiving end does the "Hey I'm a backer too" "I've spent x amount" .
"like i said its too early to tell what value ANYTHING" as @steel hazel used it earlier is a blanket statement meant to stifle conversation. That's what I was referring to
Lol, we agree bud.
I have the play every 3 months friends that I just try to smile when they jump on
O tell them their PC's will get 100+ fps on Mario haha
Now that that's out of the way. If y'all are having trouble finding an ore deposite shoot me a fr or dm me. I plan to sell my finds ;)
Also, I have a Dev friend that's working on a calculator for minables. If/when he gets it working I'll post it.
steel hazel
@hollow sedge bro when did i try stifling conversation
you asked a hypothetical question to something that isnt implimented yet that over 2 million people have no idea what its gonna be like
i remember continuing the conversation instead of shutting everything you asked down and changing the subject
twin sky
So ANYWAY mining aimright?
Honestly though a prospector or a mole given that I can play solo for hours while I have a crew available for about 2 hours every other day
steel hazel
i love the mole forreal
even with a helix sometimes i find the prospector kinda boring or lonely
twin sky
I want one but I also enjoy having money
steel hazel
well
twin sky
Helix?
steel hazel
helix mining laser its a must
108k
the mole will be a sub ship of the month in march though
you can always wait it out
twin sky
The prospector's mining laser can be swapped?
When you say sub ship what do you mean?
Like subscriber ship?
steel hazel
yep there are about 6 or 7 different ones?
and yes the subscriber bonuses on RSI you can do like 10 a month and get some perks
some are questionable
this month the ship of the month is Banu Defender next month though is Mole
twin sky
Damn how much is this 10 month subscription? Also how easy is it to end
twin sky
10 doll hairs a month? Not bad
steel hazel
ten entire doll hairs yep
i dont think its worth it for myself this month only because i dont care for combat ships but that Mole is enticing, thats if i dont get it anyway before march lol
hollow sedge
im guessing the harder to mine materials sell for more?
the hardes so far was dolivine
patent pagoda
Lol @steel hazel This dude tries to flame you for stating that nothing really has value (valid point IMHO) and then offers to sell his "ore locations" nobody will be able to see on some distant server in a patch most likely years away, all in the same breath. Some people just don't listen to reason and are only typing to read there own text.
steel hazel
right i was being pretty reasonable lol
wicked ferry
I'm torn between getting a prospector or a freelancer MAX. Is mining going to be profitable now and in the future?
Vague question I know.
plush mantle
CIG seems pretty dedicated to mining. i think it's a safe bet
hauling is more profitable for now, but also waaaaaay higher risk with server disconnects. also when they change it to take time to load and unload cargo we may see its profitability drop
i think it really comes down to whether you have more fun with mining or hauling. they're both viable
the max does double as a slow but serviceable combat mission runner if that's a thing you like
wicked ferry
@plush mantle Thank you! I'll try to decide on what to do given that info :)
steel hazel
get a prospector. then save up to buy a cat in game
wicked ferry
Noted!
I have a Cutty Black but want to expand the shipyard. I asked some questions regarding this earlier today but any and all feedback and suggestions the better.
Also because my Cutlass is totally bugged, missing both main engine thrusters... Lovely bug. Only account reset fixes it.
plush mantle
uff, that's a rough one. with persistence at least we can stop account resetting
in theory once 3.8.2 is live, future wipes should restore the ship to its base state without losing all the things you bought and creds you made
wicked ferry
I definitely pray so!
patent pagoda
I’m going to be mining MicroTech for fun and screenshots in about an hour @steel hazel @raven scaffold if you guys are around... I may have another exp’d guy with me too
raven scaffold
@patent pagoda I won’t be around till Monday if your around then
steel hazel
@patent pagoda ah sorry man not on tonight. i plan on being on tomorrow throughout the day though.
patent pagoda
Sounds good boys
patent pagoda
@here Heading to Lorville to grab a buddy if anyone wants to go on a mole run lemme know
steel hazel
ill be on and join ya shortly @patent pagoda
patent pagoda
Cool @steel hazel Lemme know
@steel hazel We’ve been playing around on Micro for days now... worth it and looks/feels fun and new
When you jump in head to stress let
Tressler*
steel hazel
@patent pagoda where you @ boye
hushed depot
anyone wanna mine?
runic ibex
i would if i new how sorry im old hehe
leaden palm
right click his name and select "Message"
hollow sedge
30k 
wide jolt
Hey does anyone know the storage capacity for prospector pods?
ornate zealot
Grim hex i believe and levski
autumn mist
What are some good mining spots for a stock Prospector?
Are the moons on Hurston good?
wide jolt
Wow i had to rethink my math...
distant sapphire
@wide jolt Prospector has 32 SCU. Mole supposed to have 96, but only 80 in game right now
steel hazel
@distant sapphire i got my mole, there is s2 helix right? didnt see it at PO so im hoping they sell the s2 mining heads i need somewhere else?
distant sapphire
S2 helix available at levski. probably other places as well, but know for sure dumpers at levski has them. Congrats!
recommend shield upgrade too
simple river
How is the mole for taking damage? Can u usually escape before getting killed?
Well I guess a s9 missle would blow it up but Iol
distant sapphire
has 2 size 2 generators. as long as you can spool out, pretty survivable. can take a good bit of abuse
simple river
Oh nice.
steel hazel
ahhh levski ok. thanks dude.
wide jolt
Yeah im trying to calculate the best hauler for the ore pods
thinking andromeda is a good ship, can carry a full load of dropped from a mole and good defenses
but mole total would be 288scu
making me consider the m2
distant sapphire
Most you would drop at one time would be 96.
wide jolt
right but you would also want to stick around for protection maybe
and the haullercould bring more pods, if they can fit them in space
distant sapphire
Unless they fix fuel consumption of mole or enable refueling mechanic, you'd be lucky to mine 96 without having to resupply
i have a cutty black and was thinking of using that (especially once they activate the tractor beam mechanics to move the bags)
steel hazel
i wish data gameplay loops were in the game rn because that star runner looks too good
but im keeping the mole cause im thinking itll be better to have a money maker that can get me most other ships with uec
plush mantle
also the mole has the only really good multi-crew experience right now
unique lion
cries in HH
steel hazel
yeah i was in a HH with someone and it just tanked everything
we need more c o n t e n t in general lol
wide jolt
mining OP is going to be interesting
maybe it is intended for the mole to have a planned route rather than searching
save all the locations before hand and then gather them all together in an srv?
also the current minables are small, perhaps cutting up bigger stuff will have you moving a lot less
steel hazel
hope so
worthy scroll
That's what Pathfinders and stuff are supposed to be for. Find the things, sell the data to people who can use it.
steel hazel
Yeah I can’t wait for it. Need more things to be able to do
worthy scroll
Yeah. I love Pathfinders and data ships, can't wait for them to have a use.
wide jolt
yep that my plan, find a mining area with terrapin, swap to prospector to scan rocks, mine some, save most for later, then group up with a crew in the mole if the area is worthy and make bank
still mauve
hello what is the best profitable ore to mine in the verse nowdays 🙂
i keep hitting aluminum on daymar
today
so i said f this daymar and i went to yela asteroid field and guess what AL again xd
sounds like aluminium day to me 🙂
worthy scroll
I mined at Cellin or Yela, I could usually find a good load of agricium, some laranite, and rarely some bexalite. It just takes a while to find those rocks.
still mauve
thats np just that i know where to look tnx 🙂
patent pagoda
Wala was oresome today. Aside from the vast expanses where its few-and-far-between it really paid out. 3 runs and over 120k every time. First time there went really well.
Loads of Taranite and Agricium.
Not to mention I had a friend who was really green at mining and needed guidance to learn the laser but once he got kind of up to speed we were chugging along making good cracks.
steel hazel
@patent pagoda I’ll have to check it out
patent pagoda
@steel hazel would’ve pinged you but best needed a full tutorial to get up to speed and I didn’t want to drag you through all that nonsense.
Buddy not best
pliant matrix
is prospector a good mining ship?
what surprise me is there is no cargo so how to stock what is extracted?
worthy scroll
Everything goes into the cargo hold when you use the extractor by waving magic hands. Then you go somewhere that has a mining kiosk and sell the magic stuff.
pliant matrix
🤔 ok so no way to quantify the stock you get. Mole have 288 scu for example
or it it extra scu?
worthy scroll
z_s Prospector
stark torrentBOT
worthy scroll
It has 32 SCU, but it's only for mining, you can't just go somewhere and put cargo in it.
pliant matrix
I see. is it a lot for mining? I just did my first mining session on a mole and we made 68k with a full stock of gold diamond and few other stuff
worthy scroll
The Mole is different. Because it's meant for multi-crew, you're supposed to split the profits with everyone. So if you have a full 4 man crew, and you get a so-so haul, the pay is kinda meh. But if you get a great haul, it pays more. But it's also a much more expensive ship to purchase and outfit.
When I had my Prospector I regularly had 50-70k+ runs that took bout 20-30 minutes each. And you don't have to split it with anyone.
But if you have a Mole, and only run it with two people and have a great run, you can make way more because it holds more.
pliant matrix
my logic is it's the same as trading as income (maybe more) except if you got a server crash you didn't lose money xD
worthy scroll
Yep. At least right now that's how it works.
Mining will be a lot different later when resources deplete and they have to rely on data runners to find stuff for them.
pliant matrix
yeah we're not there yet like at all! xD
and I'am already interested into data trading and wait for it
worthy scroll
My goal is to be one of those data runners 🙂
pliant matrix
for me it'd be that or data escort
or both
damn rsi raised the prospector price? on some site they say 150usd and now it's 186usd 😮
steel hazel
@pliant matrix says 155 for me with standalone
pliant matrix
pliant matrix
maybe it's different in each county but sorry rsi i'll check grey xD
pliant matrix
I now know how grey market works they by in low prices countries and sell everywhere at higher prices
yes but even in € it's more expansive
steel hazel
use a VPN perhaps?
pliant matrix
or I'll change the country in rsi setting. can try I've nothing to lose xD
steel hazel
except a prospector lol
pliant matrix
wont pay that price 😉 and seems like changing address isn't changing it dunno why. maybe ip scan
steel hazel
well you could always grind and grind for uec and get one lol
pliant matrix
but well that's unfair xD selling in Europe or US doesn't cost them more
pliant matrix
probably yes
steel hazel
it wasnt until a few years ago that we started getting taxes on digital sales with games in US
iirc
ornate rock
@pliant matrix your prospector has VAT already added in the price
pliant matrix
yeah I figured it out
ornate rock
in the US you get ripped off at checkout
pliant matrix
made the calcul and it fit with taxes
pliant matrix
is this a US star citizen discord though? 🤔 I never asked myself this
ornate rock
imho it's deceptive to not tell the customer what they are actually going to pay for something
it's the reddit SC discord technically, so still a majority of US folks
pliant matrix
I see
steel hazel
i agree
pliant matrix
🤔 does it mean I'll have to pay taxes if I activate a grey gift?
unique lion
it really isn't deceptive at all. VAT has nothing to do with CIG. that's your government body taking that cut
on the flipside VAT cannot tax store credit so if you ever melt that prospector you would get $155 USD in store credit that cannot be taxed again
ornate rock
I wasn't blaming it on CIG, I just think it's deceptive to have a price tag on something and then on checkout you have to pay more
plush mantle
on the prospector, there's a weird little... door-arm thing that opens out of the rear. what's that for?
plush mantle
ohhh nice, thanks
rigid jackal
@ornate rock Where do you live that you've never encountered tax before in your life?
bleak lance
is there a guide to mining w the prospector
unique lion
bleak lance
mkay
quartz thorn
get helix 1 and mine stuff?
ornate rock
@rigid jackal it's a non issue since it's mandatory that VAT is already added onto the price tag here
rigid jackal
@ornate rock So where you're at, all the prices you see are what you pay? Damn, I'm jealous. What's it like to live in a civilized country?
ornate rock
I think the only places where VAT isn't included are those that exclusively sell to other businesses
scarlet blaze
Anyone know the best trade route to take for a Caterpillar, max profit wise
half grotto
Are you familiar with Gallog?
steel hazel
Gallog will help
Just the tip though, for what it’s worth to you, @scarlet blaze
A wipe is in the very very near future, I wouldn’t go too crazy til the next wipe happens
scarlet blaze
I know
steel hazel
It’s why I’m not really trying to crank out money for mole mining heads
scarlet blaze
I'm just preparing locations
steel hazel
Word. That works
scarlet blaze
I know 3.8.2 will be persistent though
steel hazel
Yes hoping it will be as good as they say it can be lol
scarlet blaze
Which is a bonus
steel hazel
I more or less wanna just not fall out of my mole at like 400m above ground
scarlet blaze
Well they said it's long term, so it won't stop the wipes
But it will be less frequently
But hey
That still works for me 😄
@steel hazel is that bug still happening!!!
steel hazel
It did yeah
I was tryna help the guys in my ship so I went down and into the left arm and it just dropped me out when in the chair
I lived cause low grav on daymar lol
Then pirates literally spawned on top of us at Wala and they exploded instantly thus making my audio go away
Made it back to station with 6k worth of ore before I said I’m done for the night, just gave it to them lol
I fell out of my prospector once while still in atmosphere at like 5km too once
Got into the bed and it didn’t log me out so when I tried getting up, I got up to the right instead, and just fell forever to my death
scarlet blaze
Damn thats crap, i thought they patched it from previous patch notes, obviously not though
steel hazel
I’m glad that things really don’t bother me much in this game cause it’s just expected
scarlet blaze
It is man
But yeah even recent patch notes said that was a bug that was fixed
Looks like they have to re look at it
steel hazel
It’s something still lol
I love the mole multi crew times though it’s fun.
I want asteroid mining to be more viable
scarlet blaze
Dude that would be cool
But cant imagine anything to have pods unless it's a 890 or bigger
plush mantle
the prospector pods look pretty cargo-able though
they're not that huge, they stack well
i'm pretty sure the mole has the same ones, just a lot more of them
the day we get haulable pods is the day we see serious mining ops. gonna be pretty sweet
scarlet blaze
I didn't know prospector has pods
plush mantle
They're strapped to the side like a laden donkey
wide jolt
I did the math 😉
Prospector uses 8 scu ore pods with 16 total at 128 scu fully dropped, and you will be able to get bags from another ship I believe
Mole confirmed has 24 x 12 scu pods totaling 288 scu
steel hazel
It is planned to
That’s what that little refinery room before the bridge with the screens are going to be
iirc
pliant matrix
did my first prospector mining session and earned 13k.... I need to improve something or mining isn't that profitable xD
distant sapphire
you can choose to do multiple 'trash' runs with mid-tier, no inert minerals, or you take your time to fill up on high-tier, no inert. it is about a push between the 2 from a profit/hr standpoint if you have an ore console very close to selll at.
either way should be about 50k/hr
pliant matrix
I did a run on Yela so I was close to PO to sell. Got 63%gold and various other minerals
took me something like half an hour
is there a way to see the value of mineral btw?
distant sapphire
I clipped out their ore value table and have it sticky beside me on 2nd monitor
pliant matrix
that's my plan too but on third one xD discord is on the second
steel hazel
Agricium Laranite Bexalyte
Look for those and only those. It’ll take more time but you’ll thank yourself with a full hold of it
You’ll need to upgrade your laser to a helix for sure so those trash runs should be your thing until you get 108k for the laser
Bexalyte I believe sells for the most
distant sapphire
agricium is most common higher tier ore. if you crack it with patience (and a little luck) it usually breaks pretty clean (near 100% pieces). I do not specifically look for laranite, tarantie, or bex
pliant matrix
I see. thanks for the advices
do you think it's worth buying prospector or renting it is enough?
steel hazel
Depends on your time you have
distant sapphire
and what goals you have.
steel hazel
Yep
distant sapphire
if you are trying to build a nest egg to eventually trade, rent.
steel hazel
Renting would be bad then I’d say
Eh idk
You can rent and then have really bad luck
pliant matrix
rent is 40k a day
steel hazel
That’s my opinion though
distant sapphire
if you will be mining as primary profession, consider buying
steel hazel
Glumm has more experience mining
I buy cause then I can afford whatever when I can mine for it
distant sapphire
Just had a quick 30-min run on Daymar and was worth 42k....enough to pay rental on prospector for whole day
steel hazel
Right but if you only play for an hour or two per day
You know?
I’ve been on runs where I make a ton and then others where I get bugs
Like I’ll rent if I have all the hours of the day to get full use of that rental
distant sapphire
you should break even inside the first hour of the rental
steel hazel
Can you upgrade rental with Helix?
pliant matrix
yeah I don't think it's profitable to rent for few hours a day or as Aggro said if I know I'll spend my whole gaming time on that day doing it
distant sapphire
Currently cannot upgrade rentals
pliant matrix
not sure. some parts can't be changed on rental ships
steel hazel
Yeah so then with the rental you have stock laser which can sometimes not break anything on good rocks
Some agricium rocks will have such a hard time heating
pliant matrix
I saw that. some rocks doesn't even get hot at full laser power xD
steel hazel
I spent a ton of time in a prospector frustrating over that
distant sapphire
with 3.8.2 coming at the end of month with v.1 persistence, you might wait until March and grind to buy prospector with uec in-game.....only about 2M
distant sapphire
yeah, finding a good mole crew is good idea
steel hazel
Glumm and I did a run only spent maybe what like 2 hours tops? And made about 90k
That was with bad luck
pliant matrix
I did it on a mole yesterday and got 50k but for more than an hour run
steel hazel
And not even filling up cargo to max iirc
distant sapphire
2 man mole crew can easilly average about 120k per run/hr
personal best was 238k
pliant matrix
well i'll at least try to cover todays rent and see next
steel hazel
And with the wipe coming it’s not like you’re gonna miss out on too much cause it’s all going away anyway lol
pliant matrix
I confirm I can't take agricium and most of the good stuff with basic prospector
yaaay I raised my loot to 19k xD
pliant matrix
When is supposed to be the next wipe by the way? I though they implied the persistent thing already
pliant matrix
aw ok it confused me
steel hazel
The next wipe should implement the persistence though
Still a wipe nonetheless
You can do trash runs of diamond and do okay
pliant matrix
yeah... Another wipe when I just finished upgrading my arrow 😢
I covered the rent for the day and a bit more already with three run at more or less 15k. Still have few hours tomorrow to gather some more but I actually couldn't tell on what to spend them because of the wipe coming xD
wide jolt
pliant matrix
"yet" maybe
steel hazel
Yes not yet
I mean they have a useless pp that comes off the back of the prospector and more useless screens with a whole room in the mole
It’ll be something
One day
Nothing has refinery abilities rn
I think it’s just more or less there for dumping inert and unwanted materials
I called it a refinery room because it sounded nicer than tanky pipey roomie room
Or ‘the loud place’
pliant matrix
well I wouldn't be against that kind of feature and any features than make you stay on "travel" or mission longer. For now it's mostly gather, fill your tank and go back to the closest station and do it again. Of course it also imply to have stable server so you're not afraid to lose your cargo any minute xD
wide jolt
should have refining ships and cargo haulers if you wanted to make a nice mining op
pliant matrix
could definitely be fun. You can add escort fighters for the cargo too
steel hazel
Sounds like a lot of people to pay 
pliant matrix
do you want your precious rocks to be safe? xD
steel hazel
Don’t need protection if you know how to slippyslide around the undesirables 
plush mantle
the prospector doesn't slippy slide away from anyone though XD
that thing's lucky to be able to dodge a mountain
pliant matrix
Are you a dwarf hiding under a mountain? xD
steel hazel
This is why I want a function that will jettison my pods to all corners of the galaxy like the dragonballs
You want my ore, you gotta work for it
pliant matrix
🤣
steel hazel
You can take my ship but you’ll never get me podz
floral pelican
Theres no point in saying "yet" when they specifically say that the Mole and Prospector are incapable of refining.
That's what a refinery ship is for.
lilac hedge
cant wait for mining ops
pliant matrix
same! be it as an escort or actually mining or transport it could be really fun
steel hazel
@floral pelican again I said refinery when I didn’t exactly mean refinery.
I was just referring to the room with all the loud noises and pipes and tanks before the bridge
floral pelican
"TheadrielToday at 10:18 AM
"yet" maybe"
steel hazel
So next time I’ll make sure I say the loud room with the pipes and the tanks before the bridge
It all started cause I said refinery room
floral pelican
Wasnt responding to you, but feel free to continue with the sass.
steel hazel
It’s been said that room will be there to discard inert stuff it’s all I meant I didn’t know what else to call it lol
Im not tryna sass lol I just am taking blame for calling it what it isn’t
floral pelican
Yeah.
steel hazel
I more or less want to be able to access components and the rest of the ship features and salvaging concepts to return before I’d ever want a prison 😢
floral pelican
Unfortunately ship functions don't have a whole lot to do with that.
Understandable, but excusable.
steel hazel
It was in the reclaimer video about salvaging where it showed them opening compartments right?
Isn’t that what we’re supposed to be getting essentially with our ships because we can see where all these compartments are
I’m only about 2 months into all this I’ve been trying to catch up
floral pelican
Some of the ships have component homes, yeah. They started physicalizing them with the Terrapin but them being physicalized and them having a function is all down to the design team actually implementing that.
steel hazel
Yeah I noticed that with the terrapin
I’m honestly fine with the mole not being able to dump inert or unwanted I mainly want the fuel consumption fixed
Then let them figure the rest out
floral pelican
Just a small blurb that would hopefully shed just a little bit of context as to why things aren't always as fast as we'd like:
Two Vehicle Feature Teams (Programming the ship’s functions)
Two Vehicle Content Teams (Ship Art and Design)
One Vehicle Experience Team (Testing flying, camera work, ship behavior, how it feels, ect. A holistic view of the ship)```I think the work speaks for itself when it gets put out. I feel like too many hands on it could be bad
floral pelican
Leaning that was actually pretty eye opening.
steel hazel
I get why it takes a bit
floral pelican
Oh, yeah. Totally.
steel hazel
I just do hope that production speeds up a little faster now that they have systems in place to sort of expedite the monotonous processes in design
floral pelican
Unfortunately not.
steel hazel
I only know so much. I want them to take the time they need, I also, want to be alive when it’s out lol
floral pelican
As of CitCon 2019, JC stated that they'll be reducing the number of ships that get pushed to the game in the attempt to put more team members on a single ship. Instead of trying to pump as many ships as they can out per patch, they'll pick one or two ships and they'll all focus on that ship until it's done. Then they will send it.
That's the intention, at least.
steel hazel
I can get behind that. I want more gameplay loops and features to be released more than I’d want new ships
floral pelican
I'm sure you've noticed that most of the ships in the game aren't actually finished.
Your mining debacle is an obvious example of that. 😛
steel hazel
Yeah some feel abandoned
Lol
My mining debacle now is wanting to mine but not really cause a wipe is coming soon
floral pelican
Yeah. Obviously they cant implement the gameplay if the overall mechanic isnt actually established yet but the idea is that they wont be pushing ships to LIVE when they dont actually have a related mechanic.
Ships like the Reclaimer, or the Cutlass Red.
The Hawk.
steel hazel
Yeah the carrack is gonna be funny when people can finally fly it and can’t do anything new lol
definitey don’t want one at all
steel hazel
I have no doubts. I haven’t been able to play for 6 years it’s not like I’m in a rush
Just being in the game has been enough for me
For others I get it
floral pelican
Even then you still have people who are still around from the kickstarter who tell other people to "chill" whenever they get mad. We got the whole spectrum.
steel hazel
I’ve glitched out in so many ways already losing hours of time and I still haven’t gotten mad lol
pliant matrix
Xuuni. I said "yet" because who knows what they could add in a rework of a ship.
Anyway yes people involve money into the game and expect dev to do magic. It's also true the game development is taking ages and has been chaotic at some point but now I feel like it's going little by little pretty well
floral pelican
They wont add it because that's an entirely different gameplay mechanic.
The only ship known thus far to have both mining capability and refinery capability is the Orion. One of the largest ships in the game.
That isn't getting applied to entry level ships.
narrow patrol
- you would need transporters
wide jolt
big question is how useful npcs will be in regards to mining, because it seems like there are a lot of needed roles for this kind of gameplay
rustic bone
orion is pretty cool looking but needing 8 crews...make me feels its abit too much
consider its pretty tough to even locate mineable rocks at this point
i am expecting orion cannot enter atmosphere
and orion will have a hard time mining in astroid belt
unless the ai drone have a function that search and tractor rocks...which is not likely
restive kite
Orion won't be able to enter atmosphere. It is however, meant for asteroid fields. With the massive lazers and grinder it has, it'll be able to chew up the largest and most resistant asteroids out there
Atm it's actually fairly easy to locate mineable rocks on the surface and asteroids in space
You just got to know what you're looking for and where to go
worthy scroll
Maybe that's one of the funtions tractor beams will have in the future.
rough lagoon
What's a couple of good trade runs for a cat these days? I have seen the gallio site, but wondering what people like in terms of short travel time, not having to catch trains etc 😛
hollow sedge
Hey 🙂 The Cut Red Scanner is good for FPS mining. Do you think it stays like this?
hollow sedge
Nope
They said that there will different scanners for different things
So you can gear it for fps mining at the cost of something
pliant matrix
Cut red will be dead or almost dead bodies scan xD
empty kite
haha waste ya money dogs WASTE YA MONEY
U SAID Y NEEDED A MONKEY
THEN U SAID YOU DONT KNOW
CGI R 2 FACED
maiden brook
@unique lion ^^^^^
wide jolt
@rustic bone the thing is that you want to use a prospector to go through a field and save locations for all those rocks, so when you jump into your orion you will already know where to go and what to mine so you shouldn't be moving around a lot
also if you have a mining op like in eve, you will have a bunch of ships mining with an orion, and they feed their ores to the orion to refine on the spot, since the Orion is looking to have massive holds
steel hazel
I wanna live my best expanse life with the Orion
wide jolt
with Naomi? 
worthy scroll
Nah, down and dirty with Camina Drummer.
wide jolt
lol have you seen interview with the actor?
its kinda funny she is absolutely nothing like the char
worthy scroll
Nah I don't get that much into stuff, but I figured as much.
wide jolt
well they hype up the new seasons so I watch a few
worthy scroll
I actually don't watch tv or anything, haven't in well over 10 years now. I just do streaming things, so I don't keep up with stuff. I get a notification on Netflix that something has a new season, and that's how I find out.
worthy scroll
Lots of YouTube. I probably watch 12 hours or more a day. Granted a lot of it is background noise at work, and I usually have it going while I play too.
pliant matrix
I lost the site to calculate cargo roads can someone link it again please?
white cairn
It should be pinned here
pliant matrix
ha yes! thx
pliant matrix
is andromeda taurus interesting for doing cargo? I'am hesitating between this or freelancer
white cairn
Taurus isn’t out
plush mantle
i think it'll be good for cargo, but there's no ETA on when it'll be done
it's not on any roadmap
pliant matrix
but it's on sale?
plush mantle
you can buy it, yes. you'll get an andromeda loaner
with 96 SCU
right now freelancer max is the king of sub-caterpillar hauling. the taurus is expected to fill the gap
pliant matrix
in case of fight is andromeda worst or better than Freelancer max?
plush mantle
dramatically worse
freelancer max handles pretty close to the regular freelancer. andromeda handles... uh... poorly. to the point where keeping the nose straight is a significant challenge if you fly with a mouse
feels good with a joystick, though
pliant matrix
arf too bad. I don't like freelancer design but it seems to make the job better than andromeda then
plush mantle
yea. the max is also a competent combatant, whereas the andromeda is plagued by shield holes around the engine... and where if you lose an engine the whole ship can no longer move at all
i still love the connie, it's just in a bad place. i trust they'll fix it eventually -- everyone's best guess as to why the taurus isn't out after all these years is that the connie line is waiting on a rework
still, if you love the connie and you just want to haul in it, it'll do the job
pliant matrix
well I like all RSI design. Aurora even if weak have for me the best cockpit and connie too have good design. very space future when some other ships have a very actual or even old design
plush mantle
yea for sure. and just to be clear, if you do have a joystick, the connie feels good to fly
it just really wants a deadzone to avoid oversteers
pliant matrix
nha I play with key and mouse
and don't really plan to go for dogfight with it just...in case xD
plush mantle
i think there's some setup you can do to basically reset mouse to null, and you can nudge it very gently
if the PTU is still up i'd say go buy a connie there and give it a whirl, see what you think
pliant matrix
isn't ptu for sub only?
plush mantle
subs get early access to new patches, everyone gets it eventually. i'm sub so i'm not sure on the status
3.8.2 has been in there for a while now
pliant matrix
I might get a month sub anyway just to test various ships before eventually buy one
I want too many different ships and can't afford them all xD
plush mantle
lol, yea. but try the PTU setup steps before subbing
it might be open to the general population now
failing that, you can always ask someone to spawn a connie on live and let you fly it. there's a lot of people that have one
since they're loaners for so many ships
pliant matrix
seems like I can dowload the ptu so I might be able to get in there like....tomorrow since i've 13Gb to get and a shitty connection
steel hazel
Ah so THATS why I couldn’t move my connie after I lost one engine
I melted that night when that happened to me
Was just doing claimjumper missions and it was all fine until maybe I tried it again a couple nights later, shields never went down, was frustrating
pliant matrix
At least that's realistic. in many games your vehicle is destroyed but still works like a new one
Even so in fact you should still be able to move with one engine but slower and less stabilized
raven scaffold
Thruster misfiring is somewhat along that line. Rn it’s just random but in the future it would be good to see partial functionality, reduced effectiveness, total inop conditions and layouts to show which are effected.
pliant matrix
that's where engineers will come in action. Fixing parts while in flight/fight
bleak lance
what is the best solo cargo hauling ship
is cat doable solo? or is there something simplier to cargo haul
plush mantle
at the moment it's probably the freelancer max. good guns, reasonable agility, 122 SCU of cargo
cat is great too but a full cat is unacceptable risk to most people given current stability
simple river
Ya the cat is easily doable solo. I use it all the time you can make insane money as long as the game doesnt crash and you dont get any bugs that make u blow up
fathom kettle
is the free freelancer that we got temporary only?
plush mantle
Yea, until they fix the logout bug
unique lion
temporary until a bug with beds is fixed
fathom kettle
ok
gaunt compass
i think im gonna try to get coniearge
t
ehn trade in my dur for a max and get an exploer pack
is the max always available?
gaunt compass
Im close to it
oh its gone now, only can get it by concierge now
i missed it but never expected to be this far in this crazy game
its like snorting the digital crack i sell
plush mantle
Should be mostly fixed in 3.8.2
The found a cause of ship dupes. Hopefully the only cause
quartz thorn
waiting so much for 3.8.2 to drop
plush mantle
honestly i'm surprised it's not out yet already
they usually have a pretty tight turnaround on minor patches
but they might hang onto it for another week in order to sneak the carrack in without a 3.8.3
fathom kettle
ok, soo i was in a shop in cru l1
and a guy decided to crash exacly where i was but in the exterior
i got cliped out of the station
twin tapir
And folks wonder why we never take our helmets off.
fathom kettle
true
plush mantle
ever since we got those microtech jackets, i do XD
fathom kettle
ahm
plush mantle
we need better pants though. it's like, corduroy, business slacks, and... that's it
fathom kettle
why are they ganging up on a spacestation
plush mantle
look one ship just doesn't have the firepower to take down a station. they've gotta swarm it, like locusts
gaunt compass
I see stuff like this at the stations
One time I went AFK for a sec and when I came back I was in a Connie
I could get in the co pilot seat and everything but I couldnt kil the NPC cause we were still too close to the station to draw weapons
fathom kettle
gaunt compass
The ship seemed fully functional. I wanted to steal it so bad
pliant matrix
ok so ptu is 52Gb more to download... I'll have to wait a day or two to try ships xD
pliant matrix
Well I couldn't wait and rent an Andromeda. Really good looking ship compared to freelancer (not too hard though). It is slow and heavy to pilot but not that much more than freelancer 🤔. I didn't tried it in combat yet I got expelled from the ship when I tried to go out of the merlin 😂
balmy panther
Yeah, the Merlin parts don’t work yet. I’ve had the best luck hauling rovers in the Connie
pliant matrix
Ok connie is great for claimjumpers mission. I sniped them from far and didn't eve get touched but damn it's slow and hard to stabilized
pliant matrix
I'am now going to try against a moving target
pliant matrix
I know xD I'am experiencing stuff
though I'am not sure freelancer would be soooo much better at maneuvering and have less firepower
gentle ruin
yeah but you sacrifice alot of dps
ALOT of dps
its like 1/3rd
to 2/5ths of the firepower
pliant matrix
what do you mean?
pliant matrix
yes connie have more firepower but maybe less agility than FL even if I don't think there are much difference
between them
gentle ruin
true
but id rather have the meme size 5s
264 dmg and 225 firerate is better than 120 firerate and 200 damage
basically double damage
(dps)
pliant matrix
also true. if only there wasn't those shields hole everyone is talking about connie would let no doubt I guess
gentle ruin
yeah
pliant matrix
ok it's decent against nine tails xD just got 6 of six down without being much hit
bounty (buccaneer mostly) was a bit more difficult because of the ship not being easy to stabilize when gimbal assist (who didn't worked btw) is on. But it's possible and needs more calm moves. Might consider getting one just because it looks pretty and have big pew pew xD
worthy scroll
The Connie is hilarious against the Nine Tails missions, you can blow everything up before they even shoot at you.
gentle ruin
size 5 rise up
pliant matrix
I also think it can be good in mercenaries to blow up turret before landing
gentle ruin
now that i think of it its a good multicrew
i hope the taurus has good cargo capacity
z_s taurus
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quartz needle
That would be great if it was out
pliant matrix
Yeah I wanted it too for cargo. Not sure though it's safe to fill 243scu with current stability
But well if you buy it you get an Andromeda for 100 less than normal price. But since it's rented you can't upgrade it
quartz needle
I remembered why I came here now, what is the most epic trade route to do with a freelancer max
pliant matrix
I can't tell. Too noobs in trading. But use the attached site to calculate it
gentle ruin
@quartz needle titanium from ariel to lorville
or stims from hickes research outpost to olisar
pliant matrix
Just be aware you might lose your invest for any bug or server reason. If you're ok with the risk sign in to the merchant road 😉
gentle ruin
with the taurus you should be making 20k per run from hickes to olisar
you make 44k per run from ariel to lorville
carrack should make 2x that
z_s caterpillar
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pliant matrix
But taurus isn't available yet so...
gentle ruin
106k from a caterpillar run
lmao
MONEY
A MILLION PER 10 RUNs
an 890 jump can earn 300k per run
holy fuck
but it costs 100k to refuel it twice for the journey
z_s 600 i
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Either that ship does not exist or your search query was imprecise
gentle ruin
z_s 600i
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quartz needle
The guy are lorville admin desk doesn't feel like buying plat
hasty zenith
Gotta head to the Central Business District if you're selling ores and such.
drowsy flax
Z_s carrack
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gentle ruin
oh my lord
if you are super reach
lanerite with the caterpillar
oh lord
instead of 106k per run
233k per run
drowsy flax
Z_s Caterpillar
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faint fern
can one sort delivery jobs by distance?
faint fern
Or at least navigate directly to the drop off nav point? What an outdated nav system it is if it can not navigate me to any point I want?
verbal cradle
Nope, just remember its a simple basic nav system that will get updated eventually
You have to hand jam notes to keep tabs of pick up and drop off locations... but its better to have a route still.
Most Hurston pick up locations all go to crusader drop offs
You can get about 4 to 6 boxes from 2 to 4 locations and drop them off at 1 to 3 locations
If super lucky.. You can get 4 at one spot and drop all 4 at the same spot
pliant matrix
I used to pick up 4-6 box in grimhex and 2 were for disposal in orinth and two for orphanage. From orith I took one or two more for orphanage so I was 6 drops on two points and around 50k in less than half an hour
Just be careful to not have your ship stored while loading in grimhex or it makes the quest dead
faint fern
Also what could be improved - that one gets at least the nearby space body with its name to find. I am new and it is pita to find out the rout when in the delivery job description there is no location.
Already I do have a printed star map to find my way but I just don't know where is the 'orphenage' and stuff like that..
pliant matrix
Go to your quest list and click track. It'll show you the way straight to orphanage and if you want to have direct qt point you do as you said with star map
drowsy flax
Quick question, anyone know if I'm able to gift ships out of the UEE Exploration Pack? I know I can upgrade them but not melt
pliant matrix
What is in a package stay in a package so you melt it all or not
drowsy flax
Wrong chat, oops. And thank you!
hollow sedge
god that 600i is gorgeous
pliant matrix
god that 600i is expansive and useless xD
joke aside I agree it's a very sexy ship
oblique sedge
Erg. Got stuck for around an hour and a half yesterday trying to figure out best way to orinth yesterday. 2k too much to fly from om 5 but couldn’t find any closer qt beacons cos alpha. Scared me off trying again.
pliant matrix
yeah orith is a pain to go to
plush mantle
orinth is rough yea. the trick is always to find a QT beacon that overshoots the target and then cut engines partway
you can get it down to a couple hundred km with the right approach
oblique sedge
Yeah saw the strategy but for some reason I couldn’t get any planetside or OM markers to display either on the map or looking out the window on spooled. Did the usual power on and off, get out of the seat and back in again but nothing.
Was in a Pisces so didn’t have enough fuel to improvise.
plush mantle
ufff that's frustrating. i don't know what causes that issue
oblique sedge
Hasn’t hit often but kills me when it does.
hollow sedge
from what i can see the only decent rentable cargo ship is the andromeda?
well the rentable with the most cargo space
oblique sedge
Ultimately didn’t matter because my invested trade funds were immediately wiped by (first 50percent) PO pad rammers then (second 50percent) exploding Lorville restricted area fun. Great japes but hey, alpha right.
pliant matrix
Freelancer max have more cargo
hollow sedge
yeah but i cant rent it ingame
hollow sedge
guess i'll just stick w my freelancer
pliant matrix
andromeda have big pew pew xD I'am a fan since this afternoon xD
hollow sedge
also arguably looks better
pliant matrix
no argue on that yes
hollow sedge
well i cant help but feel its just a little try hard
pliant matrix
just the fan in atmosphere and two big engine are way sexier than freelancer "gundam face"
hollow sedge
i kinda like the smooth design of misc
pliant matrix
also closed/open missile rack... very great
if only vanguard had a cargo version ♥️
plush mantle
i mean kinda sorta the corsair XD
plush mantle
it was the right call XD
pliant matrix
can someone explain to me why my connie suddenly start spinning endlessly (took almost 3 minutes to make it stop)?
and I confirm you can fly with two engines but it's getting hard with only one
steel hazel
connie too bugged
cant stand that ship
if it started spinning you sure nothing clipped you? when i had one it would spin if either a ship crashed into me or an engine blew up and the ship just was scrap at that point
pliant matrix
first time I was going out of QT and second was in a fight so maybe I lost something. head went black and when it return I was still spinning and lost two engines
ocean badge
z_s ORIGIN 600I LUXURY EDITION
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bleak lance
since the carrack has 456 cargo space, can it be used for cargo hauling
patent pagoda
z_s ORION
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ashen epoch
had that spin happen in aurora got tapped by another engine from bad guys ship and welll i found out what clothes feel when in spin cycle and dryer XD tried to counter spin to slow down but nada thought it was physics glitch or somthing instant 30 to 40 g spin xD
raven scaffold
Try cutting engines the putting them back on. Iirc it seems to be caused by a misfiring thruster killing the engines stops it firing then cut the engines back on and counter the roll.
pliant matrix
what is funny ( in my case) is that it spinned but didn't move on anymore. Or at least I didn't get the feeling it was moving on.
Anyway I'am on a big thinking about getting an andromeda or a FL max since yesterday it's blowing my mind xD
fringe kettle
so no theres limits to how much you can sell to a station?
pliant matrix
on some stuff yes. especially illegal stuff
Agricium rarely reach limits for example
fringe kettle
no im trying to sell stims and all the shops are full