if not 1k
#industrial-professions
west cradle
very true
west cradle
ya pod drop will make mole and prospector much more viable
west cradle
ya, one strong run puts you back pretty much the whole tank
i feel like the prospector is much more viable right now cause of that
better handling and better fuel
proven token
only way to mine right now is with a prospector or mole, you can always do an investigation mission and mine hand mineables with the freelancer
ornate rock
there are also some non mining ships that can still scan for fps mineables on planet surfaces, but I have no clue which ones actually can
raven scaffold
and there is no way to transfer personal inventory into ship cargo space correct? IE if you had mine, you can't dump your backpack into your ship yet?
bleak kelp
@proven token thx
unique lion
@raven scaffold you can, we just don't recommend it
unique lion
Yeah, you can convert everything in your inventory into a single crate
It's just either between a bug with stations not wanting to buy it, or a 30k or disconnect making it go poof, much better to just fill a backpack up. Only way you lose that is death. Disconnects don't touch your backpack inventory
ornate rock
it's not possible on every ship though is it? I heard that the aurora lacks something for you to be able to do it
unique lion
Hell, you can buy multiple backpacks and keep euipping new ones everytime one fills up
Should be possible in any ship with an interior of any kind
raven scaffold
thanks @unique lion
ornate rock
I think it was since the aurora lacks a space that stores actual boxes
I think people referred to it as a cargo grid
unique lion
The Aurora thing is because it has a "ladder" you can't climb with a box in your hand.
This is fixed in 3.8.1
But you actively stand in your ship to make the box so it plops on the floor by your feet which gets around the whole ladder thing
Even then you can just throw the box through the door to get it in the Aurora
Officially, the Aurora has a stor-all container under its belly. You just can't put anything in it yourself. Only terminal bought cargo atm
ornate rock
I haven't been able to throw boxes in 3.8, maybe I just did a dumb, but they always just fell to the floor
can't really try aurora shenanigans now though, mustang is life
sad life right now tho
I'd gladly trade that box in the mustangs cargohold for empty deliverybox space
unique lion
That box is the same story, should be able to put stuff in it. But no functionality for it outside of terminal bought stuff atm
spare dune
huh you can just place the box inside the aurora tho?
lethal ibex
So is the not being able to climb a ladder with a box intended behavior or currently a bug?
unique lion
Technically speaking it's a work around that CIG implemented to get around the non existent cargo boxes on the mustang and Aurora. Not an intended mechanic. Just something to hold over until they implement those store all containers
plush mantle
yea, it's just interesting that in the 3.8.1a patch notes they classified the ladder drop as a "known issue" and then in a later sub-patch as a bug fix. so i'm not really sure what they're planning to do with it long-term, except that right now it'll be functional again
snow loom
They should let us attach the courier boxes on our backs like a backpack.
Imagine a magnetic harness or something.
raven scaffold
or if were getting all the crazy good ideas, maybe put the pickup/dropoff/commodity terminals by the landing pads/ship terminals
maiden brook
I wanna see rickshaws in cities. Seeing people running cargo around the city. Lol
replace people with cargo
hollow sedge
Streets currently not wide enough =D
lethal ibex
Ok, totally stupid question but how do you actually fire the hand mining laser? I figured out you use right mouse button to go into the aiming mode so you can use it, but that was where I got before I got DCed
Is it just the fire button? I was trying that, but didn't seem to be able to get it to do anything.
paper forge
Making cities big enough
So you can ride a car
Between zones
Be able to have truck to move us boxes
maiden brook
Well there has to be eventually due to the golf cart. Lol
north saffron
@maiden brook you don't need to swap the weapons. It's enough just to inspect the weapon. Enter a key in keybindings for inspect to use it quickly
maiden brook
@north saffron sometimes you can inspect and sometimes you cant
north saffron
I never couldn't
And swapping weapons carries the risk of losing one of them
spare dune
@maiden brook sometimes you cant inspect by using F to interact but setting a keybind for it always works
maiden brook
@north saffron that is why you holster it then swap
north saffron
Ok, you mean to change weapons. This is also OK. Swapping is another thing 😉
lethal ibex
@maiden brook Thank you. If the mining laser doesn't fire tonight I'll try try that see how it works.
spare dune
huh why cant i extract anything? mining is seriously not working for me
thougth I'd give it a try but I cant extract any purple rocks even if they have a mass of like 180. I just overheat and go flying
And my ship keeps turning around like crazy because pirates shot one of my thrusters down 
back to cargo hauling 
maiden brook
@spare dune https://www.space4games.com/en/star-citizen-en/star-citizen-the-ultimate-mining-guide/id-1047/
still olive
kimjungun69
hollow sedge
grim hex the only place to sell widow?
i have to wait like 6 hours to get rid of it
maiden brook
I believe so
lethal ibex
Ok so how do I get the mining laser to fire again?
hexed harness
How do I find Jumptown
maiden brook
@hexed harness https://youtu.be/a87vuzhnytw
obsidian cypress
@spare dune you have to click the right mouse button to switch to extraction mode on the purple rocks, you dont re-fracture them, they are broke down to extractable minerals.
hollow sedge
@spare dune and if it doesn't work then leave from mining mode to flying mode, then try again. If still problems with mining, leave seat and try again
spare dune
My ship was just bugged
narrow drift
Happy to say the cargo full indicator on the prospector has been fixed in the latest patch PTU patch.
hollow sedge
Good news
fickle vine
how lucrative is mining?
guess that means i have to blow profit to hire escorts for my mole...
hushed depot
@everyone I'm gonna mine with my mole (PU), anyone wanna come with me?
hexed harness
@maiden brook Thank you so much
maiden brook
@hexed harness for?
hexed harness
The guide to Jumptown
maiden brook
Ah ok! Lol you are welcome 😄
twin tusk
Guys, is it possible to mine asteroids near delamar? I can't find anything
vernal birch
raven scaffold
anyone having an issue with the prospector not extracting minerals?
wraith tree
bexalite, nearly impossible to find
fickle vine
how do you differentiate between the asteroid types?
and minerals...how do you know what you're mining before you're mining it,basically?
south pollen
i have noticed that the fracturing lazer was extracting
fractured rocks were disappearing
the extractor only works in a small area of resource
worthy scroll
@fickle vine the tools have scanners on them. You point at it, scan, then mine if you want what's in it.
fickle vine
those tools on the cockpit or only on the mining laser stations?
echo marsh
@wraith tree found legit 1 min ago 2 bexalite rocks near each other 10% each
honest swallow
anyone know where to go for rocks above delamar, cant seem to find anything around those mining claims
plucky basin
Since the intro of the mole mining should be revamped, What is the point of having 3 lasers but most minable rocks you find are singular rocks. some clusters the rocks are spread too far apart for the effective range of the more expensive and efficient Helix laser. So what is the point of the mole at the moment?
silver salmon
This is why you give Feedback back to the developers. and with time and try's. the Mining gameplay will be developed and made better.
wraith tree
But right now there are no massive deposits
plucky basin
even the asteroids are spread to far apart for the mole to be efficient as per its intended design.
Is the cargo hold meant to be larger on the mole?
wraith tree
it holds more rocks for sure
silver salmon
The MOLE has a total of 24 mineral pods, each holding 12 SCU. Eight pods are usable at one time
wraith tree
there is also a mechanism that isn't in game yet where you drop full bags for someone to pick up and take to a refinery and the ship has backup bags to use
silver salmon
when they’re full, either head home or jettison them for collection by another vessel and carry on mining.
wraith tree
the prospector has 2 bags per slot, and the mole has 3
plucky basin
and the onboard refining is that meant to increase yield and get rid of the inert materials?
So you can fill bags with precious materials only?
silver salmon
i belive you can choose what Minerals you want to be stored yes. and the other shit will be dropped on the ground/space
wraith tree
No, only the Orion can refine
Mole and prospector operators just need to be picky on what they collect
plucky basin
There are machines onboard Derc that resembles a sorter of some sort with view ports
wraith tree
On the mole?
wraith tree
I own both, not sure which part you mean
I think that’s just visuals, if it could refine it would have a dedicated seat for that job
Orion is the only confirmed ship that can refine
wraith tree
Maybe the mole will get some filters to help in the future
plucky basin
you walk past it to cockpit
plucky basin
thats alot of wasted space for visual candy two machines either side of the hallway
wraith tree
It has to heat ore and remove slag and stuff
plucky basin
it also looks like it comes from the lazers into those before moving doen into bagging and storage
plucky basin
lets hope its sorts then or washes the inert away
wraith tree
Ore refining is a very involved deal, different than filtering
If you’re careful you can get 0 inert
Some have done it on here
plucky basin
yes I know but that takes time and the mole is meant to be efficient
point of 3 lasers is not to mine 80% inert, but to mine fast sort (Hopefully and get rid of inert) store only the good ores, well this is what I have understood and looking at the design should be
Apologies meant sort/Wash not refine
wraith tree
Np
plucky basin
They way I understood the hole Mole thing was similar to the Rorqual in EVE sorta
wraith tree
Mining is like 25% complete I think
wraith tree
The rorqual is more Orion I think
plucky basin
Ill be patient then
wraith tree
We’re missing all kinds of deposits shown in the trailer for the mole
Refinery ships for bags to be delivered to
And maybe ice mining
plucky basin
cool
silver salmon
But i would recommend you to be active on the Forum, and post ideas and changes to things you don't like. that's the only and best way to make sure things come out correcly in the end.
plucky basin
You do not want me to start on there lol
silver salmon
Why not. They just posted a Topic on that they wanted ppl to state there opinions.
plucky basin
it was a joke. No in all honesty, they are doing good work, my only issue would be the order they do it in. But I do not have all the facts, would prefer a more solid game before more content and ships, maybe I cache could have been prioritised... hint
wraith tree
do you have a link @silver salmon
silver salmon
not on me atm. but i could see if i can manage to find it again. this Bored gamer talked about it in one of he's lates videos also
proven token
I'd love to see filtering ore out implemented
plucky basin
YAY @proven token bye bye inert, on the mole for example make those eye candies work
proven token
exactly
plucky basin
If you look through the looking glass on the eye candy machines (LOL) then it looks like the machines that washes the gold ore, just hi-tech versions of it.
just like on Gold Rush. know its sounds funny but to me it does
proven token
Mole only has 80 SCU ?
plucky basin
like above you can drop the bags and fill more bags drop them fill more
someone else collects the bags
but not yet
proven token
and i see the servers are still crashing ? XD
plucky basin
not as much
silver salmon
@wraith tree Cant find the Link. But was on Reddit somewhere. You can hear what the post stated in https://youtu.be/iRPm07onrTo?t=489 if you want to
wraith tree
k
silver salmon
But to answer you @plucky basin . I think the reason why you "feel" the progress of the game is a bit slow. is because most of the Developers are moved over to work on Squadron 42. and when that game is done. or when stuff is done for that game. most of the stuff they been working on. will be moved over to SC Universe. So there might be a Patch later with Tons of new stuff. just getting thrown over.
plucky basin
not worried about content so much now. More about core game perforamnce, example logging in should not cost you all your money without a planned wipe.
or flying Cat full of larenite getting 30k or crash should not cost you anything. The new database should be more of a priority core game more than content
for now
when core game is solid bring on the content
silver salmon
Well the game is still in Alpha stage so. And thats usual the reason why they dont let normal ppl usualy play alpha. the game is not at a stage yet. to be called stable. Thats where Beta comes in.
plucky basin
yes I know that generic answer. That's not the point I Cache has been planned for a long time database issues should be a priority not a AFTER years of content though
silver salmon
and they are working on the Server mashing system. but they said it was not yet in a good enough stage to be deployed
plucky basin
Yet content is priority
I know they are working on it but it feels (dont have all the facts) that it is not as much of a priority. I would have prioritised that before content
silver salmon
Well some things just takes longer to make. as in Stability and server issues. other content like making ships may take less time to make. so thats come out faster.
plucky basin
maybe
maybe put more resources on server stability and database stability then content then that might come faster too.
I look at it differently thats all
Ugly foundation before the pretty house
linear thinking when planning has its place
silver salmon
well as they stated. i think it's only max 5 ppl on a ship. and i would assume alot more guys are working on other systems. like Server mashing - Ai rework - ect ect. but these things just take alot of time to make. so may feel like they aint doing anything
wraith tree
@silver salmon https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/4/thread/3-8-live-feedback-mining-and-harvesting
plucky basin
not saying they aint doing anything but yes it may feel like it but ALOT of content was pushed
Anyway I know it might be planned for 4.1.. this will help
silver salmon
But my best suggestion is, if the game feel a bit annoying atm. just forget about it for a while. and come back later on. and also come with suggestions on the forum. on stuff you want changed/altered. we all want this game to be awesome. but sometimes games this huge. just take alot of time. and if im not mistaken they only got 700 guys working on it. and i think Red dead redemtion 2 had around 2000-3000 guys working on it. and that game took 8 years to make
plucky basin
Never said I was annoyed I know all these things, this is not the discussion. The discussion is the implementation process.
proven token
Why are the s2 lasers on the mole the same as the s1s on the prospector lol
wraith tree
🤷♂️
wraith tree
I can’t find any bexalite, is there a trick of where to look?
proven token
I had a full load too i was about to sell
wraith tree
Mole Soloing?
proven token
ye
well maybe not anymore since I just wasted like 35 minutes xD
I also see the S2 hofsted mining lazer is still gliched
what a shame
maiden brook
Yeah that ladder bug needs to be fixed again. Report it. Also Mole is really meant for more than one person.
proven token
well until theres a way to easily share money I'm not interested in doing multi crew operations
maiden brook
range dude
proven token
why does range matter when I go point blank to every rock anyway
maiden brook
I dont get up on the rock. Also our power plants play a big role into this as well
wraith tree
Right now there isn’t a great interface to tell you if you’re in range of a rock so you get up close to save time
plucky basin
also you dont want to be nose to nose when one explodes, shot my mole to space once. due to a bit unexpected lag
plucky basin
lol nothing new
shadow nebula
Npc*
plucky basin
ummm
wild apex
anyone know where to sell diamonds at lorville? i'm at the admin office and i can't sell them
plucky basin
thats new if true
shadow nebula
What’s the point camping there
plucky basin
go to central business district
wild apex
ok
shadow nebula
But why would anyone camp a cave?
plucky basin
sell at the fancy panels up stairs to the left inside the big building
wild apex
thank you
plucky basin
panels are on the sides in the middle of the room
if you know what I mean
well I hope you do
worthy scroll
@shadow nebula caves are easy ganking so that's probably why. Been a thing for a while.
maiden brook
Jamming to some tunes while flying to Arcorp
maiden brook
Hmm I just fractured an asteroid and all of it disappeared. If anyone has this issue, let me know so I can report it.
arctic blaze
guys how can i sell contents in my backpack?
errant ether
Like you sell any commodities in your ships in the Trade Console
queen palm
how do i get rich?
honest swallow
https://sc-trading.kamille.ovh/trading/ still legit?
austere creek
@queen palm by selling your legatus pack.
hushed depot
@everyone I'm gonna mine, anyone wanna come with me? send me PM
twin tapir
Buy low. Sell high.
maiden brook
@honest swallow look at the pin. It tells you which is better than that site
personally I think gallog is better but that is my opinion.
twin tusk
Are there mineral deposits on lyria? I can't find anything for 15 mins
maiden brook
There is but some locations are better than others.
twin tusk
Could you give me some good locations?
pure pulsar
Guys I need advice... going to upgrade to a carrack. Unsure to use Caterpillar or Freelancer MIS to do it. Opinions?
maiden brook
Mis honestly
hollow sedge
mis for sure
swift isle
Hmm. Was mining with the prospector and got a purple rock for extraction, but nothing got extracted when I tried. Just for kicks I increased the laser energy while firing the laser in extracting mode, and suddenly the rock overcharged and exploded without warning, relocating the prospector pretty effectively. Just a heads up. 🙂
fresh estuary
Was it one of the ones with a little diamond symbol instead of a rock symbol, @swift isle ? Because those are the ones you mine with the multi tool
I made that mistake a couple times too. Prospector at 1% will blow it up but multi tool will mine it normally
swift isle
Nope, a normal deposit. I had already broken it down to smaller rocks.
Hehe, yes, I tried to do the same at some time to see if I could save some time. 🙂
hollow sedge
Carrack bad
fresh estuary
Random question but was your general chat available at the time? I was trying to mine with a prospector a couple days ago but it wasn't working very well because the server was struggling to work properly. If your general chat wasn't available then I'd just guess your server was laggy as frick
hollow sedge
Why get carrack when you can get endeavor
swift isle
But extracting mode shouldn't energize and explode rocks? Only fracturing mode, right? Belive it was a bug, so I'll check the issue council.
@fresh estuary Not really sure since I had hidden the chat from the visor, but the server was laggy, so it was probably a factor.
fresh estuary
yeah, that's right. extracting mode doesn't even have the option to raise its power level iirc
@celest relic with that much money you could buy me a prospector lol
hollow sedge
Hey guys, where the hell can I sell SLAM?
hollow sedge
I looked
hollow sedge
CRU L5 R&R doesn't exist anymore
It's not from 3.8
I was there, it's destroyed
No Station
Press F2 and you'll see, there is no R&R 😫
Is it hidden somewhere in the asteroids?
Can't navigate there
This is what I found in the wiki also
why
Are you not confusing HRU L5 with CRU L5?
That's what my name says 😂
Inb4 im being robbed by Sgt Phoenix at CRU L5 😂
Ok I'll try again
They should implement options to buy at rental 🤣
boreal cloud
I wonder if theres a way to repurpose the volume control on a g910 orion spark to be used with mining power
anyone know of anything?
a way to rebind system sound control in game?
candid oyster
I have the same keyboard and this idea sounds interesting
boreal cloud
yeah.. would beat the scroll wheel 100%
candid oyster
So I found something.
Autohotkey should be able to remap keyboard volume keys. It's not the best solution but it might just work
boreal cloud
its key 174 and 175
autohotkey doesnt recognize them
keytweaker, sharpkeys
none of those recognize it
Because it isnt VolumeUp and VolumeDown
its AudioVolumeUp
boreal cloud
can use autohotkey
and do VolumeUp::WheelUp
and VolumeDown::WheelDown
#Maxintervalhotkey 1000000000000
so it doesnt error
getting ready to go in and test it
#MaxHotkeysPerInterval 100000000000000000000000 not the other
the volume wheel is like a 180 pt wheel, so it will flood it with keypresses if you dont do that
hollow sedge
where can i buy enough titanium to fill a cat because tram & myers only sells like 30 - 120 scu
raven scaffold
cat life problems....
cerulean nova
Anyone know all the ships with mining scanners?
wraith tree
anyone have a prospector but soloing in the Mole due to capacity?
wraith tree
and has anyone noticed gallog data isn't always right? I went to Wala 48 to buy titanium because gallog say I could make good money buying titanium there, except it doesn't sell titanium
proven token
I fly my mole solo drec
its almost like, not worth the trouble XD
Also, they pushed back the accounting app
so multicrew for me is kinda bitter sweet until they fix that
unique lion
It has to be manually updated each version by whoever runs it @wraith tree
That's the issue
Since nobody has direct access to CIG's servers to have it update in realtime
fresh estuary
Since you can't change parts on rented ships anymore, is it even worth it to rent a prospector anymore? By the time I finally find a chunk of ore with any amount of agricium, it's always too big for default prospector head and you can't even upgrade to a bigger one now.
The most expensive material I'm usually able to find that isn't in a rock that's too big is titanium, which is kinda worth dirt compared to the big boys
woeful kiln
yeah I found similar, it's very hard to get a decent payout on a default prospector
wild oracle
CIG just want to force players to open wallets to make in game money with the ships. It is plain and simple economics. If you want to be a miner, then buy a Prospector. There really isn't any point in buying a Mole until the economy elements of the game work in some fashion; including the ability to pay team-mates for their crewing of those posts on the ship. Ship rentals in game has probably hit the volumes of ships being pledged for so that's why the change is there; compounded by so many exploits in the game for making insane amounts of money through them. So, don't expect persistence either anytime soon.
celest relic
Anyone know what's a decent Laranite run in caterpillar?
wild apex
@wild oracle agreed.
raven scaffold
Has there been any talk about in game vehicle purchases using credit financing? like X down with Y period payments at Z interest rate?
hollow sedge
Nope
opaque badge
@wraith tree the data on GalLog is user submitted so there may be some errors.
primal fjord
Anyone else having problems spawing the prospector? Just getting this message.. Seems like my other ships spawns as they should..
ornate rock
use a different ship, fly to another port and request it from there @primal fjord
hexed harness
What's the best cargo route?
opaque badge
What I usually do is try to find some packages going to a mining settlement, deliver them and then pick up cargo
Usually I'll start at Port Olisar, pick up packages going to Lyria or Wala from the Crusader moons and pick up cargo while I'm there to sell back at Port Olisar. Head to package destinations, drop off, pick up Agricium and haul it back with me (and any packages I can find) to Port Olisar. Quantum Fuel is cheap, Hydrogen not so much, so I like to avoid planets with thick atmospheres and high gravity.
@hexed harness
vernal birch
favorite mole color? https://www.strawpoll.me/19307929
coral drum
that vote is closer than i would have thought...
wild apex
when is 3.8.2 coming out?
solemn pilot
end of march i reccon
whoo hoo the first 30k of the day
oww wow just blown to pieces in the prospect now i cant even claim it
floral thistle
So selling ore. Just port o, grim, a18, loreville etc. no r and r or stations ?
maiden brook
no r&r
rigid palm
Hullo ppols
I am new to cargoing
Where may I get info on the best prices to buy/sell from/to?
rigid palm
Ooh thankss 😄
maiden brook
@rigid palm there is a pin above that has another link. Gallog Trading
rigid palm
Ooh noice
sonic anchor
It has to be manually updated each version by whoever runs it @wraith tree
@unique lion The tool I developed relies on user submitted data as well. The pricing on minerals are somewhat inconsistent, but not to any noteworthy degree. Because the consoles stick to whole numbers only, anything that falls after the decimal point is ignored until it ticks over a solid 100. Though there are exceptions. SCU quantities round down even as high as .87, as well as aUEC. The margin for profit error is well within 2,000aUEC per 140k, so it's still a very accurate representation for the profits you make. A simple screenshot of their cargo contents at the sales terminal allows for quick pricing adjustments to any server changes, and is easily pushed to an updated version of the tool within an hour
Functionality is complete, and I'm building the remainder of the UI as we speak. It should be polished and ready to go by this evening at the latest. Hopefully that will enable both new and experienced miners with the crucial information they need in real time to make the best decisions
hidden stirrup
is there an updated excel sheet with trade prices
queen palm
i dont know why sc trading lists medical supply as a good route, there is just not enough to buy from
hidden brook
@sonic anchor If the tool is the above mentioned link, it is bot compatible with mobile.
crisp aurora
@queen palm just gotta know where to go!
raven scaffold
Deakins Research Outpost seems to have a high quantity of medical goods to sell at a given time
sonic anchor
@hidden brook It isn't. It hasn't been published yet. I'm no good at mobile apps, just C#/WPF for Windows platform builds. I'll see if I can find someone willing to port it to mobile
mental frigate
unfortunately none of the sites factor in user-submitted buy/sell limits
but thats mainly because their owners have already figured all of them out and want to keep the data a trade secret
pardon the pun
opaque badge
GalLog lists max capacities and refresh rates
hollow sedge
guys, where I can sell Altruciatoxin?
opaque badge
You could try Grim HEX
@hollow sedge https://www.gallog.co/commodities/vice/altruciatoxin/
hollow sedge
Thanks @opaque badge !
opaque badge
yw
arctic blaze
does anyone know the night time duration on hurston?
wraith tree
Question on gallog, I did a run and was able to buy supplies but then when I went to sell it at the market location they would only buy a few units which gallog didn’t mention, is there a way to show that in gallog?
Like how do I sell all the units
vast bobcat
Is the cat a nice ship? Ie fun to fly ect?
unique lion
if you like flying a bus, sure
plush mantle
it's satisfying in the way that steering a very large boat extremely carefully into port is
it's got a very methodical feel to it -- you have to plan what you want well ahead of time
i love its layout, interior, and aesthetics, so that helps
half grotto
It handles surprisingly well in atmo
plush mantle
big ole' space knife XD
vast bobcat
Just eyeing the pirate Aggressor pack, doubt I buy it but ..
plush mantle
honestly the #1 problem with a cat right now is that, barring 30k, the cat makes money... too well. there's been some folks that have gotten bored because all other credit income pales in comparison to fully loaded cat runs right now and it takes away the dopamine hit from smaller mission payouts
unique lion
suffering from success
vast bobcat
Ya I mean I would suspect that will be nerfed one way or another at some point
plush mantle
they're planning to make cargo take a while to load and unload, but mostly i think it'll get more interesting once piracy (NPC or player) is a thing. at that point an unescorted cat is a risky play
vast bobcat
But as a solo player the cat may be a smarter route than say the carrack ive been waiting on
plush mantle
oh for sure. carrack is really, really not a solo ship. the pilot doesn't even get guns afaik
and its gameplay loops aren't in yet, nor is multi-crew beyond turrets
if you just wanna haul, though, the freelancer max does a fine job of it and is a reasonably capable multi-role solo ship as well
vast bobcat
I know but the hype won me over so now I’m sitting on lti carrack for probably no good reason lol. Trying to sort out what to do
Okay that’s probably great advice
plush mantle
well, no rush. i think the carrack's gonna be more fun in the long run if you run with friends
the cat is a specialist hauler, at least until modularity comes in
vast bobcat
Yea for sure, going to play with carrack regardless
plush mantle
but you can always change your mind multiple times ^_^
vast bobcat
How do you guys feel about lti, worth all the headache?
unique lion
no
plush mantle
nah. afaik it's base hull insurance offered as a convenience
it's like not having to make a phone call to re-up your apartment renter's insurance
unique lion
it is base. you are still gonna have to pay UEC on release to get premium plans that cover cargo/custom non-stock components
and the ever increasing IAE insurance is making LTI kinda null
2 years of ago the anniversary sale was 7 years. last year with IAE it was 10 years.
unless you can say for certain that you will be playing this game for 10 years straight, and that somehow in that 10 years you haven't made enough money for basic hull insurance on whatever you got, LTI ain't worth it
and lets be real, if you can't afford basic insurance after 10 years this game probably ain't for you
plush mantle
i kinda want LTI more on like... some cheap little runabout i expect to never upgrade and get blown up for shits and giggles than i do on a big expensive ship. and even if your insurance lapses and your ship blows up, real-money ships will never go poof -- you can backfill the insurance LTI or no
so it's all a big meh for me. and blue's spot on with the 10-year IAE option too
unique lion
LTI is a nice convenience if you can snag it. not worth the hassle getting it otherwise
vast bobcat
Ya I agree on those, just the 6 month ones. Like the pirate aggressor warbond versus non warbond
plush mantle
personally i think the bigger question is, what ships do you want to start with each stage of alpha after repeated wipes?
eventually everyone will be able to buy what they want in-game and keep it, so there's no strict need to real-money purchase everything you'll want sometime down the road
unique lion
for warbond stuff that's an example of it being there is convenient. not really jumping through hoops for it. Just gotta ask yourself if you're willing to part with that much cash right now.
vast bobcat
Good advice, thanks
plush mantle
for me i chose the cutty b as a nice all-rounder and a gladius for fun dogfights and small solo content. everything else i'll pick up with persistence
i do want a corsair, though, so i'm considering whether i want that to be a cutty b replacement
i'm not totally sure yet. they aren't quite the same role
vast bobcat
Haha ya I like that 1 also
That’s kind of what I was considering drop the carrack for a Corsair and a caterpillar
plush mantle
ahh, interesting
personally i'm kinda waiting to see what happens with the corsair's side turrets and extra stations. i know it's gonna be a good solo brawler but i want something my friends and i can enjoy together
i know connies are in a bad spot right now but that's the other option for me long-term. good pilot guns, dedicated scanning station, reasonable turret, eventual snub fighter gives a lot of multi-crew options
vast bobcat
Ya I mean I don’t really foresee connies being that underwhelming vs other ships, just have to wait for balancing
plush mantle
yea
fleet pumice
Hey, I nicked a pirate Cutlass from some guys who were shooting me, and found the hold full of boxes. I was told that I could sell this - is this true?
And if so, where do I go?
echo marsh
You cant in a stolen ship, to sell stolen cargo you have to destroy the ship and then around 3% of the actually cargo will (should) float around and you can pick them up to your own ship and sell then at grim hex i believe
Not worth the hassle at all sadly, they should really make stolen cargo more profitable its not even remotly worth it
maiden brook
@distant adder ^
distant adder
well theres a token amount left so ill pack it all up and we'll see
i was told in the mission description explicitly that aside from the target drug box i was free to take the rest
plush mantle
presumably you could like... just hover the pirate cutlass near a pad, eva and retrieve your own ship with an interior, eva all the boxes from one ship to the other, and then park your own ship and sell, yes?
muted basin
I kind of hope they bring the kraken back on sale personally lol
tall solstice
Is their a way to turn in a packet at drop off even doh the matching keeps telling me their is no drop off?
white finch
So am I doing something wrong or do I actually have to wait a couple mins before I can sell more of my cargo?
Cause this is taking forever
verbal cradle
Along with the buy amounts there are despawn and regen amounts
wraith tree
so I spent all day flying around between different ports to sell my 120SCU of medical supplies I bought, is there any way on gallog to know if I can sell all the units in one place?
@white cairn is there any way of knowing what it is per area?
wraith tree
Any tips on what to buy?
raven scaffold
i've run medical from PO to Ariel in the past, but not 120 scu worth
wraith tree
What do caterpillars usually run?
verbal cradle
@wraith tree derusing gallog provides a data set of selling and buying points the system fails to acknowledge that there are despawn timers and 49 other people trying to run supplies as well. Look up one of the spreadsheets that show despawn and respawn rates to get a near better understanding of how to flip cargo.
Once we get the living market and living data sets in game you'll have to manual do that route until CIG releases the pu/live data api for website routing youll just have to have fun
Along with competing NPCs
wraith tree
k
wild oracle
The economy terminals in the game will give you the ability to see what is hot and what is not within a system. Data Runners and other such ships/mechanisms will give additional insights into markets across the game. Forwards Looking. tm.
raven scaffold
general question, i'm currently using the free loaner Freelancer (XL1 Qdrive) and looking to grind to a new cargo ship, would it be better to go for the freelancer max then onto the Cat, or just slog it straight to the Cat (assuming no wipes)
empty gate
raven scaffold
its a difference of 66 to 120 SCU, so not quite 2x capacity
between FL basic and FL Max
but Max is ~2.x mil where cat is 4.x mil
and i'm working on grinding aUEC in game
raven scaffold
couple of commentators (SaltEMike and boredgamer) are kind of appealing to CIG to avoid that for what ever good that will do
ornate rock
when is 3.9 planned? late march?
don't think a wipe would make a lot of sense, assuming 3.8.2 releases late february, that'd be just a month left before the next big patch hits
neither the envelope not the bounty glitch are that bad, they require quite a bit of interaction on the players part. can't just dupe massive amounts of currency
white cairn
I mean let’s be honest duping red envelopes isn’t that fast of a moneymaker
It’s not like sending people 20m auec every minute
hidden brook
What exactly is the duping "red envelopes" thing?
ornate rock
for lunar new year they put red envelopes into the PU that you can pick up and sell for 1k aUEC each
you can dupe them by switching gear or something, it is reliably reproduceable
but since the amount is comparatively small it takes forever to get decent amounts of cash, and unless you automate it, you probably wont do it for long
plush mantle
automated it's like 400k/hour or something, yea. for everyone else you might as well just run claimjumpers
or haul cargo
i doubt more than a handful of people are going to the lengths of scripting it
proven token
I just want a good fun industry loop for mining
sonic anchor
general question, i'm currently using the free loaner Freelancer (XL1 Qdrive) and looking to grind to a new cargo ship, would it be better to go for the freelancer max then onto the Cat, or just slog it straight to the Cat (assuming no wipes)
@raven scaffold The Freelancer Max is a much more achievable goal for cargo runs. It's a pain in the ass to get a full load with the Cat and sell at a single port
burnt thistle
Much more risky with the Cat too...
plush mantle
the max is also pretty capable in current combat missions, even if its agility leaves a lot to be desired. it's nice to have that multi-role capability sometimes
raven scaffold
thanks guys for the feed back
sonic anchor
Has the Mole's Cargo Capacity been fixed in 3.8.1? Or is it still set to 6900scu?
raven scaffold
Think it’s still bugged. Haven’t heard otherwise
spare dune
Oh using the freelancer for personal deliveries is sooo useful
I completely ignored deliveries with the freelancer cause I always wanted to do cargo but went on a long delivery run together with somebody else, accepted every single personal delivery at every location so the freelancer was filled to the rim with boxes
Was actually funny. At every location you could sell around 3 boxes and get 4 boxes... but then I crashed the ship 👀
distant sapphire
@sonic anchor it is currently 80, but not the correct 96 yet
fickle vine
Any tips on a good trading route?
sage scarab
@fickle vine Use this site: https://fleetyards.net/trade-routes/
sonic anchor
@distant sapphire That would explain the miscalculation on my part. Thank you
hidden brook
https://sc-trading.kamille.ovh/trading/ This one is way better
Gives you the routes based on money and ship etc.
worthy scroll
Ooh I like that one.
worthy scroll
That site loves to recommend medical supplies though, aren't those hard to sell?
visual oak
guys you are wrong with this trade routes, best are 3: Celin -> Grim Hex (8 mins) buy for 70k diamons sell for 84k. total 14k
Lathan and bezdek (Laranite + titan to Lorevile) and last one Medical supplies from Cellin to Magda
if you have XL1, its 3:32 min to reach Hurston
I used https://gallog.co/trading/ there are also Refresh per Minute - But I think the information is wrong
hidden brook
As far as I can tell, you can make wayy more than 14k with a starting capital of 70k
Freelancer MAX and 70k
It really depends on where you start
visual oak
WEll drugs are drugs, but you must be lucky not to be cought by police
I avoid of illegal goods
your ships is being marked by red triangle
hidden brook
Just fly fast and police cant do shit
And you will be out of range instantly anyways, Just go after burner and max speed, then jump again
ornate rock
good luck selling a freelancer max worth of drugs at CRU L5
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/diwks9/37_trade_routes_diagram_supplydemand_per_minute/ this is a good writeup based on the 3.6/3.7 economy, but still holds true for 3.8 in general (prices and outposts have changed)
one of the most important bits from it is this: "Supply and demand are shared among all instances in the same region."
vernal birch
has anyone ever been able to deliver a package to riker spaceport or adira falls apartments?
hollow sedge
Riker memorial's package locker is the most broken of them all
Avoiding it at all cost
forest mica
Anyone know where can I find a price list for all the mineral?
hollow sedge
fickle vine
when you buy commodities, do you have to lug em back to your ship?
wraith tree
i'm the worst cargo pilot, I always lose money ಥ_ಥ
fickle vine
try this: Buy Agricium on Lyria > Shubin Sal-2 and sell in on Port Olisar. Then buy meds from Olisar and sell them back on Shubin Sal-2. Most lucrative loop i've seen.
wraith tree
I think I made the mistake of also buying Laranite to sell to po which gallog said would be good
Every time i go to that shubin sal2 I can only get like 50 scu of argicium and I’ve got a max so it feels like I need to fill up to make the trip worth it
fickle vine
or get a bigger ship
wraith tree
I’m trying to earn the money to buy a cat
My ship is big enough
It’s that they won’t sell me 120scu
The thing I’m doing for fun right now it’s trying to buy my first ship in game
fickle vine
Guess you aint heard of wipes,then.
wraith tree
I have
It’s just a goal
I’m just hoping for at least some of the promised persistence after 3.8.1
wraith tree
I know it will vanish
stoic locust
I've been instructed to visit Levski, got the mining tool, but the Armor shop didn't have the mining backpack. Where can I find a backpack for mining?
velvet belfry
@stoic locust I found mine in port olisar
patent pagoda
@stoic locust The sell them at Grim Hex, Leviski and in Lorville at the shops, be sure to purchase the "Mining Bit" as well you will need it for mining (obv) also keybind "INSPECT" to an easy to remember key as it bugs out much like the firearms.
hushed depot
@everyone I'm gonna mine in half an hour, anyone wanna come?
velvet belfry
Yap @hushed depot
hushed depot
send me pm
barren river
hi all
Has anyone encountered a work around for the middle laser on the M.O.L.E. not wanting to articulate at all side/side/up/down? It powers up just fine, and switches between Fracture/Extract and even fires, but it wont move?
hidden brook
Try to restart the ship or maybe limit power which gets directed to shields. Had the same issue with the connie, energy priorities went to shields and turret was powered down, wasnt able to move but said power on.
@barren river
patent pagoda
@barren river Often when I run into problems in mine I switch to Scan and back, power down and come back. I often will land and then get out/in... Ususlly in a big bug power cycling the ship will fix it but sometimes it just doesnt want to cooperate. Last night everry rock I encountered showed on my scan as %100 %100 Hemalite but my workers were seeing the actual readout of the target. Nothing I could do would change it. The Mole is fun AF but def has some hankey jankey in certain servers.
And just for S's n' G's have you tried your setting to see if something else is mapped to those controlls... Just an idea. For some reason in 3.7ish my forward thrust and pitch down were mapped together all of a sudden and I would violently jertk down when engaging thrust and it took me hours to figure it out after thinking it was a "mechanic" lol
@here Going to be launching a M.O.L.E. to head to Ita at 10:30EST and need some laser operators. Pay split even after gas and you keep as much as you can fit in your backpack. Name is same in game.
slim comet
IM sure this topic may have been touched on, but I was curious if anyone knew definitely which other ships might offer FFP mining scan capabilities?
gaunt quest
hey guys, im hoping someone could give me some advice.
I've been playing for about 3-4 days now, I was hoping someone could shed some light on money making as a new player. I've been doing ok but ran in to some problems..
To start with i did a few delivery missions and got to around 15k wealth, i then moved over to trading scrap and some of the gasses. But so far ive been cleaned a total of 4 times (back to 2aUEC balance) anywhere from random buggy ship crashes to the last time, a server disconnect and i lost all my cargo.
Apart from just not spending all my money on cargo trades, are there any other ways you guy would recommend building my starting wealth? Any advice is much appreciated 🙂
wild oracle
Wait for 3 years. Come back when persistence and progression is actually a thing. On a more serious note, there are few reliable game-loops at the moment and fundamentally no reason to be amassing wealth in any form as the entire DB will be wiped, often and frequently for the foreseeable future. Too many exploits exist in game for persistence of your wallet to be even a hint of a thing at the moment. Fly, enjoy sightseeing, do a mission or two to learn how to move around and what is where. But do not grind. It is not worth it however you look at it.
gaunt quest
ok i think thats some pretty solid advice. I just didnt know if there was anything people were doing to more reliably make some money in game. I appreciate the feedback!
wild oracle
Mining is lucrative if you are lucky to have a stable server instance for it. But, you need a Prospector or a Mole for that. You have good earning potential with FPS mining (on foot) on the assumption you own one of the few ships that has a scanner that can pick up the ores on the ping in the first place. Running multiple box missions concurrently can be lucrative if you have the right sort of cargo ship in your inventory. There's always a way; but my message remains true; don't grind; coz it wont last
wild oracle
you're welcome
woeful kiln
lots of folks jonesing for the ability to actually do persistent stuff, like buy a ship. We feel your pain.
patent pagoda
@gaunt quest I mine with a Mole on a regular basis and if you are willing to learn how to run a laser it can be a lot of fun with others and a great way to explore the different settings the game has to offer. I have honestly never gotten a 30k disconnect except when 3.8.1 launched and kicked everyone out and I always split payment fairly. If you want to see the galaxy and earn some scratch along the way feel free to HMU.
You will need a hand laser and a backpack though as thats a good chunk of the aUEC youll be netting.
gaunt quest
@patent pagoda thanks i bunch! i would like to take you up on that! I have a fps miner and a pack already. I am not on now, so i will need to take a raincheck, but really looking forward to joining you! Thanks again!
patent pagoda
@gaunt quest def I'm at work now but friend me in game and I'll look for you, also this is open to anyone who wants to have fun!
woeful kiln
I still haven't taken a ride in somebody's mole
one of the few things I haven't sampled out of 3.8
wraith tree
you're not missing a whole lot except Orange
spare heath
maiden brook
Yep. Its pinned 🙂
narrow radish
Good short proffitiable often overlooked trade runs?
my favorite is scrap and hydrogen from Levski > CRU-L5 to start short and sweet and almost never been interdicted between or run into cargo scans
coral drum
nobody reads pins
shrewd saffron
What is like the ship for cargo runs below the caterpillar
digital thorn
Freelancer Max
shrewd saffron
Ok
lime vector
@gaunt quest I've been hand mining on moon surfaces using the cutlass red. You can set your med bay bed as your spawn point, so if you blow up mining you will respawn in your ship. YOu can heal too. The scanner has the same range as the Mole which is 15K, longer range than the prospector. You also get the benefit of getting pure minerals. Bring two ruck sacs with you to fill up. I usually fill up two ruck sacs, drop one load off in a crate on my cargo grid and then try and fill up another part way in just under an hour on the moon. Just started doing this, last night I brought in 46K for an hours work. Goal tonight is to get that up to 50K in an hour.
digital thorn
Freelancer Max is great. You won't make uber profits but you'll make money. It's also big enough to fit some ground vehicles inside, and it's a tank so you can fight or run easy.
raven scaffold
basic lancer is kind of tough, if you're going to get a lancer, i'd def say max
maiden brook
@narrow radish R&R QT marker at CRU-L5 is no longer there. Its been removed since 3.8 so its an extended trip having to find it and fly to it.
digital thorn
Wait so the Red can scan for minerals the same distance as the Mole?
gaunt quest
Pro tip, thanks @lime vector
lime vector
@digital thorn yes
torn niche
Is anyone else not able to sell cargo in the prospector? I have full cargo and when i go to sell it, it says i dont have any
Can i offload my cargo to my personal inventory from the prospector?
maiden brook
@torn niche Where you at? Olisar?
torn niche
Random R&R
maiden brook
Cant sell them there. Has to be Olisar or major cities on planets
torn niche
Thank god. Where is PO on the star map?
maiden brook
crusader.
torn niche
Ty
raven scaffold
careful at PO though, My ships always bug there and either disappear or are unable to be retrieved.
maiden brook
Interesting. I found a hidden console.
hidden brook
where?
maiden brook
yikes dont do that ping
raven scaffold
@patent pagoda can't, about to go do dad/husband stuff. might go to bed bath and beyond, i don't know if there'll be time...
Monday this time?
twin tapir
The hidden consoles are for drug smuggling.
slim comet
The Daily Grind we all know and appreciate....sorta 🤨
proven token
nice picture kurt
twin charm
Hi, I was just wondering what would be the best cargo ship for sub 200€ that still offered living quarters, weapons, and atmospheric ability.
I was looking at Taurus, but I'm open to non-released ship.
Any other idea 🤔 cuz looking through this is a bit of a mess.
plush mantle
what do you define "living quarters" to be? 'cause like, the cutlass technically has all that
freelancer max is close too
twin charm
Well the cutlass black living quarter or the Andromeda one is what I'd define as "the living quarter I want".
I didn't like the freelancer interior ( and the shop itself for that matter )
wraith tree
the freelancer has a bathroom, the cutlass just has apollo bags
plush mantle
next question is how much cargo are you looking for?
twin charm
I don't know, I guess enough to make good profit, but not too much that it would compromise other aspects of the ship.
I have no idea of what amount would be considered good.
raven scaffold
Lancer Max
plush mantle
you're gonna want like 80+ SCU to make halfway decent hauling money
raven scaffold
Max has 120 SCU, there really isn't a middle ground above that and the Cat/Carricks 500ish
plush mantle
and yea, unfortunately the lancer max is the best in class choice. after that you get into dedicated haulers or ships that don't focus on the cargo enough
for example, the corsair looks great. 76 SCU just barely cuts it
twin charm
How much €/$ is caterpillar ?
white cairn
Do you want ships that are live or ones that are also concept
Because if you want mad cargo, hull b-c
plush mantle
yea, i mean the real question here is whether you want a cargo specialist or an all-rounder
once you're into cargo-size basically everything's going to have living quarters
twin charm
Well.
To put it simply, all rounder that still has enough cargo to be able to pretend to be a real freighter.
I am not a fan of the Hull series
plush mantle
that honor goes to the freelancer max without question at the moment. the connie taurus will probably do that some day, whenever they decide to release it (note that connies are a huge pile of bugs right now)
cat is a dedicated hauler and runs over 300. at the other end of that is the corsair, which is an exploration gunboat with 72 SCU cargo -- not a great hauler but non-zero, and runs 215. just announced in concept so it'll be a looong time
plush mantle
the andromeda's 96. taurus is unannounced afaik, and presumably more being the hauler
ornate rock
whatever you do don't get a connie, way too easy to gank those things.
freelancer is so much beefier
plush mantle
in theory it sounds like the connie taurus is what you want given that you don't like freelancers, dreamer. otoh the connie line in general is terrible right now and the taurus is unreleased
ornate rock
I say that from a bounty hunters perspective, connie is free snacks, freelancer can be potentially dangerous
raven scaffold
i've had fair to good luck in ship to ship combat with the loaner lancer. 4x tarantulas are pretty solid.
plus some flexibility for passengers/beds. but w/o any type of organic healing capability it may be limited in the future.
plush mantle
everyone agrees that the freelancer max is the best practical choice atm, but dreamer said they didn't like the interior of the freelancer (or the entire ship)
terse summit
Will I lose drugs if police catches me with them?
twin charm
probably time to wait for more choice to appear then, cat looks very good but is a bit too expensive.
does the freelancer max differs a lot from regular freelancer ?
frank terrace
plush mantle
It’s a big beefy boi version of the freelancer. 122 SCU of cargo in a wider hold, worse handling, and a phat booty. Otherwise unchanged
I’m personally waiting on the Corsair. Only 72 SCU but firepower for days and a lot of interior space
raven scaffold
My issue right now if pledging more money when the road map just blew up and not much actual info other than fluff has come out this month
twin tapir
Yes, you will lose drugs if the police catch you with them. More specifically : they will try to blow up your ship.
austere cradle
anybody wanna be my copilot on my freelancer
might need 2 other fellas
for the back seats
most importantly what should i sell
sonic anchor
@unique lion , the mining tool application I asked permission to post has been submitted to #imadethis as discussed, if you're interested in having a look
austere cradle
did ya say mining tool
sonic anchor
Indeed
austere cradle
how to find one for free
i can see you guys coming on your high horses about to say kill someone
bruh no ones actually typing xD
anyone wanna join me in my trade runs
in stanton
hollow sedge
you can trade in the sun?
wraith tree
man, its hard to find any shops that can fill up my max with laranite or agricium,
is there a better commodity to buy and sell for a max? what do cats usually trade?
leaden palm
same things you are, just more of them
laranite starts becoming hard to fill the hold with so eventually youre taking anything that will sell for more
leaden palm
I prefer Titanium for amounts I can find
wraith tree
only getting and selling 26scu of argicium doesn't really make the flight worth it
wraith tree
i keep jumping between mining and shipping to mix things up
leaden palm
thats probably a good bet to avoid annoying glitches over and over
I recommend that to a lot of citizens
or whatever you like, pop some bounties or find a missing person in between
proven token
Mining is fun too bad you cant transfer minerals atm to do ops with people
leaden palm
I want to haul those saddlebags away for miners in a cargo ship and bring back supplies they need
keep the miners on station and making profit while couriers run the goods
proven token
Yea it would be cool
I feel like having large mining operations with ground vehicles and stuff would be cool
Gives a place for haulers to come, pick up minerals to sell
Right now its very mobile and you spend 50% of your time looking for a decent rock
spare heath
hushed depot
@everyone anyone wanna join me on a mining session?
coral drum
oof - mass ping
hollow sedge
anyone got some trade route recommendations?
errant cradle
Don’t know what kind of servers some people are in where they’re allowed to @ everyone 29,000+ people 
quasi hull
think he probably got the wrong server
hollow sedge
gallog is good
strange wing
hello all
anyone else as fustrated with the game as i am right now since the last wipe and patch? primarily with all the increase in disconnects?
plush mantle
Strangely I haven't been disconnected a single time since 3.8.1. It's been extremely stable for me
Servers now seem to die slowly rather than quickly and I can change out if it starts looking suspect
strange wing
you been lucky then. i was almost at a delivery site on Hurston (running illegal package delivery of course) when the server last died on me, But it seems to be more and more common now than when it was before the 3.8.1
raven scaffold
I’m with Tuesday. Very stable.
hollow sedge
Been stable for me except last night. Lost a 100k cargo run feels bad man
narrow drift
Been very stable for me , much more so than 3.8.0, still a lot of improvement that’s needed but discos are not nearly as bad .
tame mason
What shields do you guys think are the strongest for the Caterpillar?
plush mantle
it's got a single size 3 shield. just from looking at the numbers i'd say the FR-86 would be the shield of choice. its hp is middle of the pack, but its regen is second to none by a large margin
this is similar to how most people go with the FR-76 on medium-shield ships for the same reasons
4369 hp/sec is going to be tough to break
tame mason
That’s what shield I have on it and I got torn up by a single pirate in a freelancer. Took me out in less than a min before I could QT out.
plush mantle
they probably hit you in the shield hole
if a player knows where it is, it's very easy to hit
supposedly you can get underneath the shield bubble at close range too. the shield rework can't come fast enough
plush mantle
supposedly it's the "living quarters between the engines and the cargo hold". there's also one on the engines themselves
unfortunately it's the state of like... most ships in the game right now. the ships without shield holes are the notable exceptions
tame mason
Good to know. Thanks for the info @plush mantle Appreciate it.
Hope it gets fixed sooner than later.
plush mantle
it's currently on-track for 4.0, but... you know. i'm keeping my fingers crossed at least
fickle vine
cant trade. at all.
its just too much broken.
- try to land at hadley while its dark. almost totaled my ship cuz i couldnt tell space from the ground.
- cant get to olisar cuz hurston is in the way, make a detour to aberdeen after trying to figure what to do for 10 minutes.
- when i get to olisar, trading console dont work.
eff. this.
cant get rid of my cargo.
fickle vine
and now i'm really broke.
and grounded. lost the cargo and the ship's lost in space. cant expedite, i have 0 credits.
plush mantle
olisar trading console does work. it's just the one on the table, not the one on the wall
the wall one is for mined minerals
fickle vine
what table?
plush mantle
so there's a guy standing at a desk. there's two terminals on the long, half-circle desk around him. behind him are two terminals on the walls
you want the ones on the desk
i also thought olisar was broken for the longest time until someone showed me the other terminals
fickle vine
still lost my cargo because of the crash
ornate rock
what's an average aUEC per hour with delivery missions? assuming average conditions in RNG when it comes to locations, but tryhard focus on the deliveries itself (so without sightseeing or procrastination)
worthy scroll
My general tips with delivery missions are stay away from ones that go to big ports/cities, you lose a ton of time walking around. Only do the FTL ones, I stick to the 8.9k ones unless none are available (or if the only ones break the first tip), then I just do the small moon to moon ones until they refresh. I couldn't say what the per-hour rate on them is because a lot of RNG is involved, sometimes you can pick up 4 before heading out, sometimes only 1. But I can make a couple hundred k in a few hours if I want to.
Small S1 ships with an Atlas or Rush work well, the Pisces is great because you can travel a good bit before refueling, and literally land right in front of the door of a building so you cut out a lot of walking time.
Pathfinder ships are my choice to use because of the increased quantum fuel. I bounce around between using my Pisces C8X and my 315P depending on my mood. Pisces is faster because no ladder time.
raven scaffold
regarding fuel/range, where does the titan stack vs the pisces or 315?
wraith tree
Really any ship can get range if you put the right qt drive in it
raven scaffold
is there a good resource for different q drive stats? other than price/location?
wraith tree
the best iv found is the info tab on the erkul ship config
you can go super fast and burn fuel, or you can crawl and get stupid range out of your drive
I went down to an economy drive in my freelancer and i can fly all over stanton without worrying about trying to refuel
if you put that same drive in a freelancer dur It would just have stupid range for a explorer
raven scaffold
I’m using the xl1 in my lancer rn and it’s a pig
terse summit
did everybody get a banu defender?
theres one in my fleet manager
but I dont
and I also got a buccaneer a few weeks back
for absolutely no reason
oh yeah
is it the monthly ship?
must be
since the month just started
but last months ship was a dragonfly
which i did get
but I also got a buccaneer
a catty pirate
and a gladius
whatever
I'm just gonna enjoy my ships
burnt shoal
Entering the Mole with Freelancer.
My friend fall off the Mole while exiting the Turret, he is alone and called me for help.
Here is the result and it worked : )
Vide has no sound or music, we had funny conversations, I wish I had recorded the voice.
twin tapir
Once saw somebody who parked a Cutlass on a rock such that he could not jump back into ramp after leaping off. I was in a Freelancer Max. Tried jumping off my ramp, but angle was bad. Ended up bashing the Cutlass around with my nose til it got somewhat level.
worthy scroll
@raven scaffold Pathfinder ships have a slight upper leg because they have a larger quantum fuel tank. 700 units vs 583 or something like that for normal S1 sized ships.
raven scaffold
Thanks @worthy scroll
worthy scroll
This is what I love about the Pisces, small enough that you can pull right up to the buildings.
The only time I run Covalex is if there just aren't any good FTL runs at the time.
plush mantle
man i want a pisces... i've got a 325a and i love it for being a great all-rounder ship. good fighting capability, box handling, sightseeing, a bed, etc.
but that pisces is just made to run boxes
worthy scroll
Yeah it really feels like that. What I can't figure out how how this little thing holds so much quantum fuel, it holds more than the normal pathfinders. Where does it store all of it lol.
plush mantle
lol
does that mean you can slap a milspec QT drive in there and still get across the system?
worthy scroll
I put a Rush on it, faster than the Atlas but with the increased fuel you're still good to go.
plush mantle
the 325a's quantum speed leaves a lot to be desired
since it's almost required to use civvie
worthy scroll
My go-to is usually Atlas on everything that takes an S1 drive
plush mantle
like, it's bad enough that i'm tempted to use a cutty b with a milspec QT drive instead, even if it's worse for packages in all other ways
worthy scroll
For Cutty I just slapped the fastest drive on it. Since it's an S2 ship it still has more than enough fuel to run around.
plush mantle
yea, exactly. it's a bit of a boat but it makes up for it with fast long distance times
worthy scroll
I just don't like the cooldowns on the S2 drives. Even the fastest is slow.
plush mantle
yea
i mean... i guess... i could get a pisces now anyway since it's only $45, and at some point in the future i was going to melt the 325a for either a taurus or a prospector. so then i could melt both and nothing would've changed
worthy scroll
This is my 2nd time getting the Pisces. I had it, then melted my small ships to try something bigger but went back to the small ships. I just don't like bigger ones.
plush mantle
oh interesting. what'd you try?
i mean i don't think i'd fly without a small ship of some kind in my hangar
worthy scroll
Cutty B, Connie.
plush mantle
ahh
worthy scroll
Cutty is about the biggest I can deal with, but it still feels like I'm flying a brick.
plush mantle
i like my cutty b but if i'm flying solo it's feeling less useful than the 325a, at least while i have a freelancer to do the medium hauls with
worthy scroll
I did like the Connie though, that ship is just sexy as hell. But it's too buggy to deal with right now.
plush mantle
yea. the taurus is interesting to me long-term as a hauler of choice
reasonable size, hopefully good cargo, and if i'm lucky, dingy as hell
but not until they give connies in general some love
worthy scroll
The other great thing about the Pisces is it has pretty good retros. I keep my speed limiter at around 50-55% all the time, so I can burn hard to my location and then it slows down really nice.
plush mantle
Yea. I hear it's zippy in atmo in general. Also that star trek shuttlecraft vibe <3
granite meteor
The pisces makes me disappointed with how much space other ships waste
jovial berry
Add a mining tool for fps mining to it and ill buy 5
spare dune
How much cargo do the starfarers have? On wiki it says that the gemini only has 4 less SCU with 291 
granite meteor
I thought they both had the same 295scu
Plus like 3'000 fuel scu
pearl kraken
With no fuel mechanic haha
pearl kraken
Haha ya it's kind of a shame I just wish they worked on something else or just released along side the mechanic
I'll be pissed they do that with the vulcan before repair is in
granite meteor
I thought it was missing the nose fuel scoop so was more a fuel carrier than a fuel refinery
Both could be true, I haven't taken a close look at the number of fuel pods
pearl kraken
It does have the pod but supposed to be able to change to the scoop whenever
latent pasture
can you sell widow at grimhex
floral thistle
Sigh. Just lost 100k from a 30k. Done trading for a while
floral thistle
How so? Only way to get ship back was to claim it
Flew back to sal2 but couldn’t sell back cargo and couldn’t summon ship from there either sooo
simple river
U done because of losing 1k? Lol
I lost like 600k and that's a small amount compared to other people
plush mantle
(1kk means 1 million)
white cairn
You can just say 1m
steel hazel
is prospector worth it if youre usually solo?
white cairn
it can be if you know what to look for
unique lion
Prospector is the solo mining ship so yes
steel hazel
i mean yeah i just didnt know if its a waste of time using it or not
i have a connie taurus i can just upgrade to prospector for 5$ so its like an easy try
unique lion
I would say once you know what to look for the prospy would make more money more reliably than the Connie. Since you only get a loaner andro atm
Time will tell with whatever the SCU capacity is on the Taurus whether it becomes more useful or not
sonic anchor
@steel hazel look in the pinned messages in this channel for the Ultimate Mining Guide. It'll give you insight and knowledge you definitely need. Feel free to hop into #imadethis and look for the Mining PDA tool I wrote a few days ago. Armed with both, you can't fail and should expect profits between 50k and 90k per run, after your first 3 or 4 runs adjusting to the ship and the concept
lone bloom
Blue, the prospector is worth it.
hollow sedge
is the Constellation Andromeda worth renting as a cargo ship?
plush mantle
if you're just looking to haul, what're your options and prices for rentals?
(i don't have the spreadsheet in front of me)
hollow sedge
70k for a day 200k for 3
plush mantle
so the connie has 96 SCU if i recall correctly. freelancer regular gets you... 66 SCU? and you should have one of those already
freelancer max, if it's available, is 122 SCU
i think you're gonna have a real tough time making up the 70-200k from +30 SCU, especially given that you can't always get the goods you want in volume
there's nothing wrong with renting the connie if you just want the experience of flying in it, of course, but from a pure efficiency standpoint i'd say stick with the freelancer
arctic blaze
to the math
arctic blaze
only
hollow sedge
I can get the cat in 12 days if I only play 8 hours a day
thats really not that bad
hollow sedge
im being serious
arctic blaze
so basically ur saying that grinding non stop for 12 days, playing 8 hours per day
aint bad
okey then
hollow sedge
not really
arctic blaze
kappa
plush mantle
you can absolutely grind your way to a cat if you like. wipes are frequent, though, so to me it doesn't feel worth my time. the freelancer answer is based on already having a freelancer for now -- the +30 SCU difference from a connie wouldn't make up for the rental price for normal play
if you're grinding then do the math and make a call
unique lion
Honestly for the kinda hauls you would get with said ship afterword, nah. Not that bad tbh
Should try Elite if you want to see what real grinding is
hollow sedge
like if you just made sure you made 100k a day you can have it in 2 months
unique lion
I stopped shortly after getting both of the top tier ships in the game and maxing them out. And while I did do other things in between I also used glitches and exploits that cropped up to make millions every hour
Still took me about 450 hours to manage both ships
arctic blaze
you aware that the avarage wipe cycle is around 3minthish right
and that grinding for a cat its basically grinding to grind
hollow sedge
what else is there to do?
plush mantle
once we have persistence these kinds of questions will be much more front and center, kilts. for now we've been seeing a wipe every month. the economy is also expected to completely change from now until beta
arctic blaze
now? the only option is to deal drugs with ur freelancer
no bullshit legal trades capped at 28k profit
unique lion
We also have no system other than stanton to work with. And Orison/new baggage are still missing
arctic blaze
but then u got to hope for no 30ks while traveling
plush mantle
re: what else is there to do... i mean that's true. for me the answer is "play less star citizen" because i love the game but the content isn't there yet. i've got a huge backlog of other interesting things i want to experience
arctic blaze
the same will eventually apply witht the cat
raven scaffold
Has cig talked about what they feel is an appropriate timeline for progression. Say from a starter ship to a mole or cat?
plush mantle
i haven't heard anything like that. the econ has so much further to go at the moment -- lots of new loops, all missions will be redone, hauling time and profits adjusted, insurance and repair sinks, etc, etc
unique lion
Prices even now go up and down. HH used to be 21 million. Now its 12 iirc
Dragonflies were 74k, now they're almost 400k
arctic blaze
fact is it would be relatively easy to get literally everything in the game, if only the servers would be stable or there would be some kind of protection against disconnects
trade, progression feels fine as for right now
raven scaffold
@plush mantle @unique lion thanks for that. It makes sense that with so much if flux progression timeline might be a ways out
I’d like to get involved in a trading/mining org if group functionality pans out
agile marsh
so ive been doing a little minning ,who wants to get a little duo going???????
narrow radish
https://sc-trading.kamille.ovh/trading/ just been pointed to this from help and @austere bluff pretty good
austere bluff
narrow radish
alot of entries about lorville are just wrong tho
someones put in lorville selling everything..
just went over its spreadsheet
https://www.versemate.com/Trade/Index this one works good https://gallog.co/commodities/ this ones also pretty reliable
raven scaffold
Lorville space port
elfin shoal
Thanks you very much ;D
raven scaffold
it's that 4.8m price point that's got me slowed down
i mad 600k in 3.8.1 in the first week or two it was out, but once rumors of 3.8.2 wipe occurring i basically stopped playing. (using loaner freelancer basic)
I'm planning on after the next release, grinding up 2m for the Prospector then go the 4.8m mining for a Cat
icy igloo
you know good cargo runs?
arctic blaze
and use gallog since its constantly updated
patent pagoda
If you are hauling drugs it is advised you take the beginning personal delivery quests and drop the packages in the rooms just before the actual drop off and simply Track the missions to see the waypoints of the previously "Unmarked" stash houses.
https://www.boredgamer.co.uk/2018/04/02/star-citizen-performance-guide-3-1/
Also helps with decreasing 30ks
crude crane
lost 600k by kicking out the server 4 times
wraith tree
whats happening with this patch @arctic blaze
plush mantle
30ks are more frequent since the server update. it's risky to haul right now
lime vector
If you haul you need to haul ass or your gun git 30k'ed hard if you be slow.
raven scaffold
is the Connie Taurus going to have 243 cargo? is z-ship reporting it correctly?
like that's confirmed?
plush mantle
i don't know of any official information beyond astonishingly inaccurate RSI website information from 2015, but the cargo math changed a while back and the taurus is a reaaaaally old design. there's a lot of guesstimates out there in the 150-200ish range but they're just guesses
i would personally expect it to have more than the freelancer max at the very least
otoh, prevailing wisdom is that they're holding off on the taurus to fix up the entire connie line, and there's certainly been no movement or roadmap plans to actually get the taurus into the universe so it may be a bit of a moot point
raven scaffold
That’s a bunch of solid points. Thank you
patent pagoda
@here Anyone wanna go on a Mole run and operate a Helix II?
latent pasture
if I buy widow at a stache house
is it worth selling anywhere esle
like where would I got to sell it
what buys widow
patent pagoda
@latent pasture With widow you can sell it tons of places but the R&R's typically will only take a small amount off your hands at once so it takes ages to sell. There isn't much money in it as its pretty prevalent in the verse. Just don't get caught and you can dump it. More money is definitely made transporting more illicitly traded vices like E'Tam wich should only be done stash house to stash house, and even then if you dont know your planets surface locations by sight you should take the Hex package route trick to save time and gas.
This site is behind in prices but is a good guide to were to buy and sell.
https://starcitizen.tools/WiDoW
This is a simple video of how to unlock permanent location markers for unmarked stash houses by leaving the boxes just outside the drop off.
latent pasture
Ah ty x
patent pagoda
NP
jovial berry
well... just tried to mole around...
had the 30k 4 times
1 before even getting in the ship, twice on route and once on daymar
amazing
patent pagoda
@jovial berry While this particular update is more prone, a fresh install and clean user file does help.
wraith tree
needs crafting for that to happen though 😦
austere creek
With LTI I think that's gonna be a loooong stretch.
wraith tree
CIG has a thing against crafting for some reason, I get not crafting ships but there are things that can be made that are consumable
austere creek
Eve's economy has been implemented over twice the age of the SC project. Having CIG implement something similar... 🙂
wraith tree
I mean I know it will take a long time
and requires a lot of dedicated players
and LTI doesn't cover components and other stuff done to a ship
plush mantle
NPC crafting seems fine to me. EVE crafting honestly wasn't that much different than supplying NPCs -- you dropped a blueprint and the right kinds of goods at a factory set up for it, asked for a run, and hauled the finished product away later
(where "later" was often days or weeks)
ornate rock
EVE economy relied on ships being permanently destroyed though
and that kinda conflicts with insurance in SC
patent pagoda
While we are wayyyyy off topic.... This looks really cool!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbTRvPev5OM
Hopefully it will be popular enough to show RSI they should work on the core player/NPC interactions like shooting eachother in the face and not releasing ship after ship we can barely board and steal/defend
patent pagoda
@here Heading out in a Mole run in about 15 mins from PO if anyone is interested
thorn vortex
what is 30k ?
hasty zenith
Error 30000, which happens when connection to the server has been lost.
Most people just refer to it as "30k"
ornate rock
people refer to all the 300xx error codes as 30k
arctic blaze
whatz car racks
dusty mulch
so just how do I find minable areas for fps mining? Reading a site that says use your ships scanner, all that did was show me a nearby player ship who apparently crashed earlier
dusty mulch
ah so not every scanner will tell me this then
plush mantle
yea, there's hidden "types" of scanners. the mining ships have one that finds minerals
arctic blaze
you can actually dupe it to make it editable to fit better lasers
plush mantle
prospector without a helix is... rough
arctic blaze
easy to dupe
dusty mulch
got a link I can read about these hidden scanners by chance?
or how to do it otherwise?
arctic blaze
if u just wanna fps mine, rent one and scan
plush mantle
scanning gameplay is still being built out, so right now the only thing to worry about is bigger scanners are better, and mining scanners can see minerals
dusty mulch
Don't have the funds (yet) to rent one, but that's def. the plan
plush mantle
there's a bunch of types someone datamined but no clear answer on what they will do eventually. some are clearly placeholders
arctic blaze
be aware that its a waste of time anyway
dusty mulch
oh for sure, just killing time tonight mostly.
arctic blaze
fine then
plush mantle
i will say getting out in a mole crew is pretty good ^_^
also if you just want some hand mineables without renting a ship, you can just take an investigation mission which will give you a cave. they're full of minerals
arctic blaze
not hadanite thoù
plush mantle
lol
pseudo dome
the caves are more than a little creepy... i'm actually thinking of getting a mole, but it's so expensive 😩
jovial berry
well... i'm gonna try another trip with the mole, lets see what goes wrong this time
jovial berry
well...
having a rollercoaster of feelings with this today... I watch a video be like, Ahh yeah, that's why I love this game
go in... this happens, quit
and repeat lol
patent pagoda
Never had anything like that happen, may be a you problem.
jovial berry
OH if it happened just once, I would agree, it happened 3 times today, and sometimes can't go up the main ladder (after entering the ship) @patent pagoda
patent pagoda
Have you tried User file and fresh install?
jovial berry
i'll try re-installing
pseudo dome
maybe I'll hold off on that Mole pledge 👀