industrial-professions

[white cairn]

YouTube is also social media

You can create and share stuff to people online

And communicate

[rigid wasp]

I love that this is an argument someone thought was worth having 😂

[rugged cobalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkNhtW1RfmQ

GGWP; Crytek pwned 😂

[bold lava]

wait... crytek's using "not getting updates and bug fixes" for SQ42 as part of their case...

😂

can see where that's gonna go

[hollow sedge]

Has anyone tested the 3600 against sc yet?

[atomic flower]

@bold lava I think they mean updates and bug fixes for CryEngine, CIG optimized CryEngine quite a but before switching to Lumberyard.

[bold lava]

oh i can understand, but it's still seems super petty

[visual cradle]

lumberyard is largely just a branding change

what they took from amazon from "Lumberyard" was just more up to date CE libs

the rest of "lumberyard" is AWS stuff

and dev support from amazon

otherwise they're pretty forked away from lumberyard development after that fact i believe

which amazon hadn't really done much work if any on forking LY away from what they got from crytek at that point

it was literally just slightly more up to date vanilla CE, and again, all they took were the libraries

[unique lion]

Crytek perused that before iirc

It was found that there wasn't anything stated anywhere that they had to provide bug fixes and updates afaik

So unless they got something else, that was shot down a long time ago

[balmy hare]

@visual cradle no ;_;

[visual cradle]

[sweet geyser]

yes, Star Engine is a spin on the Lumberyard

it isn't that odd; a lot of rework was done on existing systems, making it a new engine

so many extra tools (for planet creation for example)

and so much server rework

[static yoke]

Star Engine is a meme, it's just Lumberyard

[sweet geyser]

true

but there's some truth behind it

there's no denying the CiG Guys edited out Lumberyard so much it probably looks a lot different to what regular Lumberyard/CryEngine devs are used to

[static yoke]

They'll have certainly added modules to it, but Lumberyard itself is still there and would be recognizable - it's their added models that wouldn't be

[sweet geyser]

or altered models

[visual cradle]

sc's modifications are wildly different than lumberyard and what amazon has done with it

and those modifications largely predate lumberyard as well

all the big space stuff isnt really in lumberyard normally

it would make sense amazon getting that stuff would be part of the deal but afaik it's not

amazon mostly wanted a game to show off at dev and trade conventions asap

which they basically used 2.6 for that ironically

was rather amusing at the time

seeing 2.6 on machines at amazon booth which was existant before the rebrand and "conversion"

[austere sand]

https://youtu.be/A54Gn8sw17g

[magic sinew]

I never thought something as simple as vinyl would make an Index look so great

Not mine, but man that looks much better than its default fingerprint-magnet state

[clear arrow]

That looks seriously cool

[magic sinew]

Ikr?

I wish they shipped out looking like that

[clear arrow]

God I’m excited to get mine, fuck a lightsaber I’m doing this

[magic sinew]

Instead of this crap

[clear arrow]

I mean it doesn’t look bad

[magic sinew]

Its a fingerprint magnet tho

[clear arrow]

Just the vinyl looks 1,000,000x better

Yeah

True true

[magic sinew]

And its not too bad, but the matte finish just fits the body of the HMD much better

[clear arrow]

It really does

One thing I may do

Is this

Wait lemme find it I saw it on reddit yesterday

[magic sinew]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ValveIndex/comments/ckexck/vinyl_wrapped_my_index_frunk_cover/

This was the specific stuff he used
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DJJ7ML4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[clear arrow]

Here it is

It has that little usb slot or micro usb slot inside

For this

[magic sinew]

Yeah yeah

But I think theres a better use for it

[clear arrow]

Any ideas?

[magic sinew]

Yeah actually

You could probably fit a miniature processing component for the utilization of those front cameras and have VR and AR work at the same time

And thats just scratching the surface

[clear arrow]

Tis

Or you could put animated eyes in there lol

[magic sinew]

True

[clear arrow]

Ar sounds cooler tho

Porn games where you get to see your own penis

[magic sinew]

You think index users can see something that tiny without a microscope?

I dunno mate, thats a far stretch

[clear arrow]

True true

But I’m sure the cameras of a zoom in feature

Though it is a stretch

[magic sinew]

Nah its just general cams

Just made for passthrough

What are you planning to play on the Index when you get it?

[celest bison]

dude have you seen the hypno people

that's what they'll use it for

[hollow sedge]

[inner elk]

Any tech comp build people here i have a serious question on a build upgrade

[magic sinew]

Yes, ask away @inner elk

[inner elk]

i need some tech nerd support
looking to up my memory for my PC
my old memory is no longer for sale and im wondering if the new memory will work with my old motherboard
i will give you links to the items in question
MOTHERBOARD: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813130900?Item=N82E16813130900
OLD ram: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820231884?Item=N82E16820231884
RAM I AM LOOKING AT: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820231977

[white cairn]

yes

[inner elk]

i figured but that whoel OC which i know usually means Over clocked only was making me question

[inner elk]

ok follow up question. can i keep my old ram in or would it not work well with the new ... somewhat faster ram?

[half grotto]

Ideally you want RAM speeds to be uniform, otherwise you can run into weird shit

[inner elk]

ok so ill just buy 32 of that newer one i linked

[white cairn]

you probably could get away with it but it'll probably just all be at 2133mhz

wouldn't try it though

i mean

if you plan on buying 32gb of it

might as well buy 2 8gb and see if it works

if not buy 2 more if you really wanted to

[inner elk]

i mean this new ram i could also slip into a newer build later and put the older stuff back in and have a " lower end " PC for the wifey

thanks for help guys/girls much appreciated.

[bold lava]

faster ram is gooder

so long as it's near the best your mobo can handle

[magic sinew]

Not really

In my case, my CPU cant even handle RAM clock speeds beyond a certain point

[bold lava]

faster is better, yes

[magic sinew]

So faster = better doesnt make sense

[bold lava]

and it'll downclock to that speed

that's why i mentioned the relation to the board

[magic sinew]

Sure hope so

[white cairn]

3200 is faster than 2133

so it's better

and it works

[bold lava]

^

[magic sinew]

I sold 16gb of my 3200

[bold lava]

and if you found like, 2933 or something, it could most likely clock up to 3200 with no issue

so if cheaper, would also make sense

[magic sinew]

Made a mistake when I put the last stick in since it was only halfway into the mobo

[bold lava]

then it would come down to timings, which is kinda voodoo to me tbh

lower will be better usually 🤷

[magic sinew]

Yeah pretty much

Though I didnt know that mobos handle RAM underclocking innately. I had to double check a few times around for mine since it didnt post right.

[bold lava]

you can like, divide the speed by the timings and some other magic to figure out some kinda tick rate, so at certain divisions of clock and timings will be the same RL speed despite one having "better" numbers

being smart here can save you $20 😁

[magic sinew]

But its only $20

[bold lava]

shh

cr needs that 20

[magic sinew]

$20 isnt even enough to buy me dinner

[bold lava]

it'll help put a new watch on his wrist

and you can has jpg

go pay full price for the same setup i could build for 2/3 then 😄

and on mobo oc'ing etc, that is totally dependent on the board/bios

[magic sinew]

For $600 you can get a Zen 2 and Navi setup here locally

[bold lava]

ryzen REALLY likes fast ram too

i noticed a difference from pushing mine up

[magic sinew]

HONGRY FOR RAMS

GIB RAMS BROETHER

[bold lava]

it's funny though, they don't go much faster when you add gb, but hz changes everything

[magic sinew]

Well yeah

Your RAM capacity doesnt matter too much for most things outside of workstation (and SC), but timings and hz matter a bunch

[bold lava]

logical but not overly obvious to non-techy ppl

[magic sinew]

OK well this is where we go into car analogies

[bold lava]

ok i helped, can plehz haz 3.6.1 now?

[white cairn]

just download ptu

[bold lava]

have it

nothing to grind for 😄

[white cairn]

reclaimer

[bold lava]

🤔

but

it doesn't do anything

[white cairn]

neither does grinding in a buggy alpha

[floral pelican]

^

[bold lava]

it's the principle of the thing 😡

[floral pelican]

The principle is that you're wasting your time.

[bold lava]

i'm disabled, my time is already a waste 😦

[floral pelican]

Thats what you get for trying to live a life out of water, fish. Your flippers just arent gonna cut it.

[bold lava]

i wanna go to space 😊

screw vegas

tired of swimmin' in my poops 😦

[visual cradle]

cheers fish

[visual cradle]

if you live in a place with DQ, have a box of these this summer

[solemn cradle]

don't like nuts XD

[floral pelican]

:]

I do.

[bold lava]

😏

nearest DQ is 3 hrs away 😭

[jaunty torrent]

dilly bar!

[fossil lance]

#🤖┃bot_commands

[steady surge]

Hey guys, im doing some market research for a college paper, and was curious if you guys would be willing to do a short survey for me. It has to do with Providing Commercial Grade IT Services, to gamers and Streamers.
https://forms.gle/ZbcxyGnPKHt8cvpC7

[errant cradle]

Please don't bring that dirty laundry in here too

[white cairn]

How much do you want to bet it’s just -2 or something

[errant cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/sweepsweep-gif-6195813

[hollow sedge]

w00t - so excited Rebel Galaxy Outlaw is almost out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abmolH6sSy4

[floral pelican]

My opinion: Looks pretty boring.

[white cairn]

what the fuck is this UI

I was gonna peep this game out and buy it day 1

but holy shit this ui

[hollow sedge]

Looks pretty exciting to me 😃 And I like the UI from the videos, though obviously I haven't played it yet. It is said best played with a controller, but it's not meant to be a hardcore sim as much as more of Wing Commander/X-Wing/Privateer type of experience.

[brisk prawn]

kinda wish they got to make this game instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83MAR5H5fAQ

[hollow sedge]

I certainly do too, but RGO is what that turned into, and I really like this universe as well, so I'm fine with it. EA's loss. I still can't believe they didn't take them up on that.

[floral pelican]

Pretty much an entire game of static locations and moving from one stage to another.

[white cairn]

I don't mind it because o.g. rebel galaxy is... okay at best

but god damn that ui has me questioning life

looks 20 years late

[hollow sedge]

I'm fine with static locations. I don't get the stage criticism, though, as opposed to other space games. It's got a story to play through at your pace as well as many side-missions you can take on and ways to earn money to upgrade your stuff. Or you can do trade routes. Very much the Wing Commander/Privateer formula, which is what they were going for.
I liked the original Rebel Galaxy quite a lot, though this is more what I've been waiting for.
By UI do you mean controls or do you mean the cockpits? I adore the cockpit design, but mostly because it elicits feelings of my Wing Commander days.

[white cairn]

no

the UI

[hollow sedge]

I like it ^.^

[unique heath]

But it looks like It was created in ms paint.

[hollow sedge]

hehe the vibrant colors are one of the things I love so much about it. (But again, a lot of it calls back to Wing Commander 1 and 2, which were that colorful) I get really bored of the more monochrome interfaces, though. I get why they are what they are, and they can look good in their own way...but I like that this did it differently.

[half grotto]

Looks like a mobile game

[hollow sedge]

That shot is 3rd person too instead of cockpit view (as I prefer cockpit). A lot of people (especially Freelancer people) seem to like the 3rd person perspective, though.

[unique heath]

You are happy being you,...and thats ok.

[hollow sedge]

True; to each their own, for sure 😃

[unique heath]

Similar topic, but I had an argument with someone in another server,...saying that they wanted the ui of old Windows Media player to come back. Like Windows Media Player 8 for eg.

That old ui is disgusting. They were talking about buttons should look like buttons etc. The whole skeuomorphism bs.

[hollow sedge]

yeah. I think it's a subjective thing, just like RGO. I tend to prefer older interfaces over newer ones as well (though I'm not sure about WMP lol). But, for example, I've never liked the Win8/Win10 Start Menu - I much prefer XP/7.

[unique heath]

i presumed you did, but yes WMP8 is going too far.

[hollow sedge]

hehe just refreshed my memory of what that looked like. On that, we agree =oP

[unique heath]

Using the mobiglass is like ui torture for me.

[hollow sedge]

hehe I haven't checked out the most recent builds, but yeah. Sadly my machine is a little challenged for SC these days... If I upgrade, though, it'll be closer to SQ42 release.

[subtle cargo]

Whatsup everyone

I have a quick strawpoll for you and would like to get some Warhammer 40k fan represent on this.

The Mod developers for the 40k PC Game Arma 3 mod, 'There Is Only War' have released a quick strawpoll to decide their next faction to develop. Heres your chance to stand up and be counted.

Vote for your favourite faction here

https://strawpoll.com/yz6af751

[visual cradle]

hey yall like art?

for reals try out this game occupy white walls. idk even how they keep it online cuz i have yet to see any money asked for it

for anything

it's just this nice little art semi virtual world thing

it's nice

if you like art try it

[golden pawn]

Where are my fellow cargo haulers at

[fading jungle]

Whats the meta boys

[tired grotto]

not drugs

[fossil fable]

Does Levski buy drugs?

[visual cradle]

levski doesn't like drugs i don't think

at least it doesn't like slam

or mobyGLass

or humanfood bars

[half grotto]

Levski stopped accepting drugs in 3.5

[rigid wasp]

nerds

[errant cradle]

star wars pic and playing minecraft

[brittle cove]

oh that explains a lot

[spring vale]

I'm kind of curious what the Hull C is going to be good for when (if?) it comes out at the end of the year. Trading using the Cat is such a pain already and the Hull C is supposed to be something like 4-8 times as much cargo as the Cat.

And the Hull can't land for cargo runs so it'll need to do all of its work between the stations.

[flint wasp]

I believe by the time we have the Hull-C we'll also have the cargo stations in space

That'd be the niche of the Hull-C

[brittle cove]

but can it carGO?

[flint wasp]

It even can carRun

[round bloom]

theres a wipe coming, stop hauling guys

[visual cradle]

.2 is only on evo relax my dude

besides haulers haul for the thrill of it all

[steel shard]

where can i sell SLAM? versemate is a lie

[visual cradle]

cru l5

[steel shard]

too late, I let myself get scanned by security. they said “your mother must be proud” and then attacked. When I landed I noticed that the cargo was gone, they must have beamed it off the ship 😂

[dark minnow]

Standard Cargo Unit (SCU) is a unit of volume of cargo containers. It is roughly equivalent to one cubic meter.

[spring vale]

I can't wait for the Herc and Hull C to be out and usable so that the Cat gets shoved back under the rug where we don't need to look at it.

[jaunty torrent]

I'll continue hauling cheeseburgers in my connie

[celest mango]

been hauling cargo but then noticed a different screen at PO saying just trading. it wont let me choose anything . what is this for and what can you trade?

[unique lion]

if it's the panels attached to the wall behind the desk that's for selling mined ore

@celest mango

[vale hollow]

are they going to unify them at some point? It'd probably be a good change

[rugged mist]

they should be unified and also it needs to be possible to buy and sell the same commodity at the same place

with a spread on the price obv

[gleaming moat]

just got a freelancer & did my first cargo run. idk if i did it right... When you get cargo do you just kinda take it to any admin place?
I wasnt able to find a specific destination

[bold lava]

try gallog.co

you sell to locations via the trade terminal like where you bought your cargo

@gleaming moat

[jaunty torrent]

wish stupid amazon deliveries were that automated 😦

lost about 40k worth last night due to bugs

[white cairn]

well I lost 320k due to a disconnect

lol

[jaunty torrent]

😮

[bold lava]

i lost about 60k to dc the other day, and a few days before that like 100k

[minor ridge]

Hey everyone, does anyone have a good trade route they recommend?

[unique lion]

https://gallog.co

@minor ridge

Can use that

[minor ridge]

yeah im having a look at it now

[unique lion]

Put in your ship/starting UEC

Can leave the starting and ending station fields blank if you just want to see every possible route

[minor ridge]

yeah i just found a decent profit route running astantine

[lucid garnet]

How do you make there discord bot work

[magic sinew]

Use Zbot in #🤖┃bot_commands

[shrewd marlin]

its really tough losing 310k due to a disconnect 😦

[magic sinew]

F

[median monolith]

At least you had 310k

I make ends meet with the monitor missions 😦

[bold lava]

i got given 3 mil 😊

[jaunty torrent]

I lost 60k to a phantom asteroid 😄

[proven finch]

@shrewd marlin shit like that is why I have no shame about using glitches to get my riches. Nabbed myself 7 mil in about an hour.

[lucid garnet]

@proven finch What glitch did you use and did you report it.

[rugged mist]

Probably refuelling glitch

It’s already in IC

[minor ridge]

what do you guys do when you get the "shop inventory full" alert

[spring vale]

Wait.

[proven finch]

@lucid garnet Refueling glitch, and yes, it's been reported. Was originally reported almost a year ago, so I don't think CIG particularly cares to fix it all that much. I posted a video of it on the 14th in #imadethis

[bold lava]

"cares to fix it" and "top priority" are very different

not saying it isn't an elaborate scam, just that there may be 1000 more important things.

[unique lion]

if you land and pull the services up fast af it seems to work

and I mean like the second you land

no delay

[proven finch]

You misquoted me.
What you said implies indifference. Add the missing three words of what I said, and you get an implication of priority.

I personally don't care. In fact, at this point, I don't even particularly want them to fix it. Since progress gets wiped with each update, I see no reason to get rid of something that allows players to experiment with features a majority likely never get close to. i.e. ship buying.

[bold lava]

totally

it's not god mode, no biggie for now

[spring vale]

I mean, they're currently resetting the money fairly frequently so it's not super critical to fix.

[dusk void]

Is it not bannable?

[smoky junco]

I doubt it honestly

[half grotto]

Very few things are/should be bannable in Alpha. We're supposed to break and abuse things to make sure they don't make it to release

[bold lava]

quit glitching through my hull 😡

[jaunty torrent]

I need 9 mil so I can buy a 600i to fly around in 😄

[proven finch]

@jaunty torrent then do'et

[jaunty torrent]

dats alot of amazon box deliveries 😦

[proven finch]

Oh, you're tryna make an honest living? Well then, may the odds ever be in your favor.

[jaunty torrent]

nah not anymore

my PU wallet got zero'd for some reason, so Ive just given up on it till wipe

[bold lava]

after wipe, i'll help you get rich 🙂

[digital thorn]

ooh this channel might be my thing.

so...new Freelancer owner here. How to get rich?

[jaunty torrent]

all the drugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jk 😛

[unique lion]

honestly it used to be

but this new supply and demand rebalance got me messed up

through DIP I found out scrap from CRU L1 to Olisar seems to have no limit

have bought/sold entire cat's worth at once

[bold lava]

metals and minerals, while running deliveries

[digital thorn]

can you un-abbreviate that for a new player? 😄

[unique lion]

metals from the mining outposts?

[jaunty torrent]

sigh, connie too small for cargo runs

[unique lion]

DIP is our glorious moderator

CRU L1 is just a rest stop

[digital thorn]

I ran 4 deliveries to Orinth, and the trading station there had 0 things for me to buy. 😕

[bold lava]

yessir, mining outposts and just buy/sell whatever's available on the way around doing deliveries

[digital thorn]

do I run a risk of losing money buy buying up too much of the wrong thing?

[bold lava]

pop back to levski or hex to unload and get a new ship/fuel

yup

you lose cargo if your ship gets lost/blown up, so server crashes can be a source of walletache

[digital thorn]

oof, good to know

cost of business and all that

[bold lava]

yupperz

but later, insurance on cargo should be available

just right now, we're happy to keep ship upgrades

[digital thorn]

welp, long haul cargo work is a rough game. Landed at the Orphanage, saw a player in an Aurora, went to invite him to join me in my Freelancer...and he murdered me and took my ship.

[bold lava]

yeah.... making friends at a drug den....

kinda asked for that one

i hold ppl at gunpoint until they're definitely chill

you didn't really think that's where they keep the orphans, did you? 😄

[jaunty torrent]

hahaha

im always armed to the teeth and weapon out when not in armistice

[digital thorn]

I guess I just didn't know we were that ruthless yet in an alpha game 😄

[jaunty torrent]

some are some arent 😛 always be prepared

[digital thorn]

I just remembered that when he landed right before me, his ship had a red target around it instead of green...that probably should have warned me

[unique lion]

most people I find are chill

or you bring a bigger stick and suddenly everyone else is chill

[bold lava]

yup, see red - shoot em ded

[spring vale]

Really hoping the Hercules doesn't end up getting pushed over and over like the Defender or something. And kind of hoping we get the C2 at about the same time. It looks like the M2 in the picture for the roadmap.

[digital thorn]

Doing my first actual cargo run with a full Freelancer. Wish me luck!

[spare frost]

They’ll probably start with the a2 without working bombs. Lol

[hollow sedge]

I've yet to actually have any issues one person in game chat was rude but other than that nothing, I do however go right to my ship take off and spool as soon as I can

[digital thorn]

oof, first cargo haul netted me a grand 1,000 credits profit. :-
Aluminum from Levski to Port Olisar. Looks like I have a lot to learn.

[jaunty torrent]

from what I understand, cargo runs are not that profitable unless you are running a caterpillar

[white cairn]

Cargo runs are only really profitable with medium+ ships

I wouldn’t advise doing it with anything less than a cutlass

[digital thorn]

Freelancer too small then?

[jaunty torrent]

seeing as you can get 7.5-9.5 k from a single box delivery

[white cairn]

Freelancer can make decent bank

I can make like 70k a run in a freelancer max to hurston

Would be about half in a regular one

[digital thorn]

what do you stock in it?

[white cairn]

Agricium or w/e

From ita to Hurston I think

[digital thorn]

what is ITA?

[white cairn]

A moon

[digital thorn]

ok

[white cairn]

Idk just check out gallog.co for routes selling to Hurston

With that specific ore

[digital thorn]

ok thanks

gallog.co is awesome, exactly what I needed

[white cairn]

Just be aware that it doesn’t take in consideration with buy/sell limits

[digital thorn]

ok, I figure with only 36 slots of cargo space I probably won't hit that limit much

[white cairn]

You should have more than 36 in a lancer

A base at least

[digital thorn]

I got the DUR because I wanted it to be an all-around thing

[river zephyr]

can you rent ships in game or earn them yet with in game currency

[spring vale]

You can buy them. Rentals are supposed to be coming soon.

You can buy them in game*

[hollow sedge]

yeah next update is supposed to add rentals but... like all games take it with a grain of salt

[proven finch]

I bought a Valkyrie and am planning to grab a hammerhead next. The ships are expensive, but they at least seem to work fine.

[spring vale]

Wait, like bought them in game?

There's an account reset probably in the next week or two when the 890 comes out.

[fading jungle]

Is the meta buy a cat and haul cargo right now?

[spring vale]

Pretty much. Yeah.

I'm really hoping the Herc C2 is one of the ships in 4.0. Then the Cat will be pushed back into the corner collecting dust where it belongs.

[echo charm]

herc c2 will be so good for hauling shit on and off planets

cant wait

[sturdy oasis]

48 more SCU. But should be more heavy, more fuel consuption. And you don't have the modularity yet to be implemented of the Cat

But well, more suitable for vehicle/small ships transport

[autumn crag]

I'm gonna pick up the Herc C2 this November and use it as my main cargo transport ship. As well as for transporting vehicles.

Will be good for orgs who need rapid transportation of vehicles to a hot zone.

[spring vale]

@sturdy oasis The CI ships are supposed to have basically the best VTOL. So landing on planets will be easy with them, the fuel economy for VTOL might be better. And the Herc is smaller than the Cat so they might end up being a similar weight.

[sturdy oasis]

Herc is L:94, B:70, H:23, Cat is L:111.5 B:39, H:13.5 so I heavily think that the Cat is smaller and lighter.

[half grotto]

I wouldn't trust those numbers, since

1. Herc is still in concept and subject to significant change
2. Ship matrix is usually wrong

[unique lion]

Like the 890J

It was what? 120m before?

Whoopsie

[sturdy oasis]

They are more accurate now because they do some 3D concept now, not just some pictures.

[half grotto]

The Sabre Comet stat page would like a word

Or a multitude of others

[smoky junco]

A lot of those concepts were also drafted before the style changes and redesigns. Making a ship to represent star citizen takes more work than a Gettyimage

[regal ermine]

any good soul willing to explain me the cargo system and where can i get the product from?

[regal ermine]

where can i sell medical supplies? i am trying to do and understand the cargo system but i have no idea where to sell this medical supplies, can anyone tell me where?

[white cairn]

gallog.co/trading

Mind you there are buy/sell limits

[flint shadow]

Mining stations are usually a safe bet for selling meds.

[vocal pollen]

Where can I buy a cargo container?

[spring vale]

What do you mean?

[hollow sedge]

@vocal pollen they aren't added yet there supposed to be in 3.7

[digital thorn]

is there any value in taking packages from stash houses?

[rigid jackal]

I'm curious about that too

[unique lion]

@digital thorn you can sell the drugs where drugs would normally be sold

Idk about now but back when Arccorp was in PTU that stash house mission had 300k UEC of drugs in it

Obviously. It takes a big ship and a long time even with crew to load it tho

[bold lava]

if you empty that bunker totally by hand, you might make 20-25g

[digital thorn]

I meant the stacks houses at like Yela or Delamar. The ones you deliver 1 package to, and there are like 2 or 3 other packages there. Can they be sold anywhere? Cause I will absolutely nickel and dime my way to riches if they can be. 🙂

[bold lava]

oh yeah, they make you a few bucks

watch out for the piggies though

[bold lava]

pretty sure they got nerfed a bit because of the other stash house thing making you 300k

[unique lion]

Like I said that was the PTU when A18 was added

idk about now

[flint wasp]

Right now (3.6.1) cleaning the bunker nets about 25k

Most of the packages are revenant tree pollen which barely sell for 1UEC a unit

If you pick up just the non black boxes a Titan has enough space

Me and my mates did it the other day

About 170 boxes

[tall raft]

now that's cargo hauling

[flint wasp]

Yup.

All stacked neatly by hand

[tall raft]

how many of you were there and how long did it take? or was this done after leaving the site

[flint wasp]

We did it with 3 people

About an hour of loading it up

It takes maybe 15-20 minutes if you go explicitly for the boxes that are not those black boxes

With the mission reward you make about 35k within ~40 minutes

Including travel times etc

Certainly useful if you don't have starting capital for cargo hauling

We ended up going skeet shooting with the pollen boxes

[jaunty torrent]

need faster way to get to 10 mil so i can buy a 600 😮

[hollow sedge]

I dont recognize the ship

[spring vale]

With the bare insulation on the walls, I'm guessing Drake. Almost looks like the side door of the Cutlass but it's too tall and there's two doors rather than one. Might be concept for a ship that either changed or hasn't been released.

Oh, I wonder if that's the front door of the Cat. I haven't been in there much so I haven't wandered around.

[unique lion]

@hollow sedge cutlass

If you mean that last picture

[spring vale]

Wait, that is a Cutlass?

It seems too tall.

[jaunty torrent]

I bet Drake is based out of New Jersey

[unique lion]

It's the side door

[flint wasp]

That's a cutlass ye

[errant cradle]

that 2 month response

[half grotto]

I see we've de-mothballed this place

[errant cradle]

azweexecutivedecision.jpg

[digital thorn]

cargo hauling best hauling

[grand grotto]

whats everyones favourite hauler? and why is it the BMM?

[sudden dawn]

I love my freelancer MAX.

[slim zodiac]

Caterpillar has my heart

[half grotto]

Cat is nice (and surprisingly nimble in atmo), but I'm trading mine in for a Herc this week. Tired of the cockpit struts trying to kill me on the regular, and overall I like the look of the Herc way more

[floral pelican]

My favorite hauler is the Reliant Kore.

Don't ask why. I have no idea why. I just like the design.

Maybe.

It's really bad at it's job though.

[granite meteor]

It is really pretty

My favorite is my discount Aurora MR
Because I can't haul cargo in loaners from friends

[tired nacelle]

I really want the reliant tana because i loved the kore, but good god do i just hear nothing but bad things about it

[floral pelican]

Yeah. People just compare it to other cargo haulers. It gets shit because it's weapons are a bit lackluster and it carries less SCU.

The ship itself is okay

[coral drum]

reliants are great for sight seeing... that cockpit view is unmatched

[brazen summit]

C2 vs Caterpillar

the C2 is more expensive but can carry more cargo and tonks so

and also looks hella fine

z_ship cat

[stark torrent]

Either that ship does not exist or your search query was imprecise

[brazen summit]

z_ship Caterpillar

[stark torrent]

Drake Caterpillar

---

Focus:

Transport

Length:

111.5m

Height:

12.5m

Beam:

39m

Mass:

1,608,205 Kg

Crew:

5

Cargo:

592 SCU

Value:

$295

-

[brazen summit]

z_ship C2

[stark torrent]

Crusader Industries C2 Hercules

---

Focus:

Heavy Transport

Length:

100m

Height:

Unknown

Beam:

70m

Mass:

Unknown

Crew:

Unknown

Cargo:

624 SCU

Value:

$360

-

[spring vale]

The C2 is likely to have better armour. It has better shielding as an initial buffer, however the Cat has more cooling so under extended fire the Cat may win out. The C2 has VTOL where the Cat is reliant on RCS so it will have difficulty in atmosphere once the new flight model comes out. The Cat is better armed, it will have modules to make better use, it is lighter and should be more agile.

[brazen summit]

Once the new flight model comes out

Another rework?

[spring vale]

Fleshing out flight in atmosphere.

[brazen summit]

okay

[spring vale]

RCS is going to be much weaker.

[brazen summit]

yeh

but honestly right now if it got weaker it wouldn't be too bad

it's not like we go horizontal if we want to get out of atmo

[spring vale]

Yeah, but when coming in to land, you're going to have to be very careful.

Taking off won't be terrible.

[brazen summit]

thing is we have to land vertically because of badly designed hangars

[spring vale]

What?

[brazen summit]

these spaceships are better compared to planes rather than helicopters

[ivory patio]

its not that hard

[brazen summit]

it's not hard but it is when you're in a Freelancer MAX and you barely fit in the hangar

[ivory patio]

lose some wieght then chubby

[brazen summit]

heh

[ivory patio]

u don't need all that armor

[granite meteor]

Z_ship merchantman

[stark torrent]

Banu Merchantman

---

Focus:

Trade

Length:

160m

Height:

65m

Beam:

160m

Mass:

9,635,000 Kg

Crew:

8

Cargo:

3584 SCU

Value:

$350

-

[granite meteor]

Still cheaper than the c2

[brazen summit]

wait

[granite meteor]

Probably no tanks

Don't look at the cargo

[spring vale]

I feel bad for anyone expecting the BMM to hold anywhere near that much cargo.

[brazen summit]

that's a flying mall tho

[granite meteor]

It's still in freight units

[brazen summit]

it's not a hauler

[granite meteor]

It can land, and has vtol thrusters

[spring vale]

Also, it isn't going to be as easy to bring down to the ground.

[brazen summit]

like the Privateer is a flying mall

z_ship kraken

[stark torrent]

Drake Interplanetary Kraken

---

Focus:

Support

Length:

270m

Height:

64m

Beam:

104m

Mass:

Crew:

10

Cargo:

3,792 SCU

Value:

$1,650

-

[granite meteor]

Probably be about as easy as the cat

[brazen summit]

z_ship privateer

[stark torrent]

Either that ship does not exist or your search query was imprecise

[brazen summit]

dnangit

[granite meteor]

The cat isn't a vtol cargo ship either

[spring vale]

The BMM is a flying mall too.

[granite meteor]

Yeah

[brazen summit]

BMM won't be landing a lot though

[spring vale]

A huge amount of the internal space is taken up by a market and meeting areas.

[granite meteor]

But 700 scu is probably still safe

[spring vale]

Most likely.

[granite meteor]

And $10 less than c2

[brazen summit]

it's definitely getting a price bump

[spring vale]

But it's also 160m long and wide so it's going to be massively limited on the places it can land too.

[granite meteor]

And armed with 3x s6 iirc

[spring vale]

Also, it's probably going to go up in price. I'm surprised it didn't already.

[granite meteor]

Totally fair

[brazen summit]

Does the C2 have pilot-controlles guns?

[spring vale]

2 S4s.

[brazen summit]

the same as the farer right?

or are those S5s

actually ni

farer has 4 pilot controlled guns

2 per mount

[spring vale]

Starfarer is way better armed.

[brazen summit]

ye

[spring vale]

It's better armed than the M2.

[brazen summit]

And then the A2 is best compared to a HH

[spring vale]

Uhh, not really.

[brazen summit]

z_ship a2

[stark torrent]

Crusader Industries A2 Hercules

---

Focus:

Heavy Bomber

Length:

94m

Height:

23m

Beam:

70m

Mass:

Unknown

Crew:

8

Cargo:

234 SCU

Value:

$700

-

[brazen summit]

Gunship/Bomber

so

at least it's comparable in price point lol

[spring vale]

Big bombs, but it has 2 2S4 turrets, 3 sS3 turrets, 2 S5 pilot controlled turrets, and the 2 S4 pilot controlled guns.

[brazen summit]

that's heavy

z_ship m2

[stark torrent]

Crusader Industries M2 Hercules

---

Focus:

Military Lifting

Length:

94m

Height:

23m

Beam:

70m

Mass:

Unknown

Crew:

3

Cargo:

468 SCU

Value:

$480

-

[brazen summit]

M2 gets better armament and armour iirc

[spring vale]

6 crew needed to run 4 S4 guns, 6 S3 guns, s S5 guns, and a pair of S4 fixed guns.

Vs 7 crew to operate 24 S4 guns.

[brazen summit]

The C2 requires only like 2 crew iirc

C2 can definitely be run solo

[spring vale]

3 to funny man the turrets while flying.

Yeah.

[brazen summit]

I mean so can the caterpillar which is comparable so

[spring vale]

Also, the firing arc for the Hercules is bad.

The Cat is better armed than the C2 unless both are being solo crewed. However I think the Cat's pilot guns are on a turret so you can at least apply pretty well.

Yeah, pure damage wise, the Cat is just shy of the M2.

And the A2 is slightly over half the Hammerhead. But no missiles, so ship to ship capability is notably less than half that of the HH.

I really hope there's something interesting to make Crusader Industries ships more viable.

[granite meteor]

If their aerodynamics make them fly faster through the soup, I'll be their customer forever d:

[brazen summit]

Basically the Hercs main point is VTOL and sleek design

[coral drum]

starfarer supposed to get cargo modules that can be swapped for the existing fuel tanks eventually? thought i heard that somewhere

[bold lava]

sounds right

[granite meteor]

Yeah that's somewhere far down the line

We don't even have fuel cargo for it yet

[spring vale]

Yep. Eventually the Starfarer will be able to carry cargo back there too.

I don't think the capacity of those modules is known. I think there was a rough estimate provided, but we've changed measurements a few times since.

[granite meteor]

Eventually it'll be able to carry fuel back there too d:

[spring vale]

From what they were saying, it sounds like it might be a similar module as the Carrack uses.

[granite meteor]

Oh, that's awesome

[spring vale]

They were saying that the Carrack modules could be swapped with similar sized ships. Outside of the Hull series, I think the SF might use them sideways. Which I think allows for 6 or possibly 8 of those pods. However we'll see if the SF has the VTOL needed to hold up.

[wheat wraith]

BMM when

[spring vale]

Possibly next year.

[wheat wraith]

next year is next month

[spring vale]

Supposedly the Carrack team was moving onto the BMM as they wrap up.

[wheat wraith]

i also heard the same for the defender team

[spring vale]

Could be both of them.

[wheat wraith]

well it would make more sense for the defender bois to make the merchant man

since they got to work on that style

[spring vale]

The Defender team is fairly small where the BMM will likely need a fairly large team.

[wheat wraith]

well its bigger then the carrack

so carrack + defender = BMM

[spring vale]

It's almost bigger than the Reclaimer.

[wheat wraith]

its bigger then the 890j in height and width

[spring vale]

Yeah, but that's wingy bits.

[wheat wraith]

i know but hey

gotta assert your dominance over the 890j

[wheat wraith]

see

look at that glorious stance

would be nice if the arms tucked in though for landing and wormhole

[spring vale]

Yeah, when you're standing on a pogo stick, you'll be taller.

The bottom one does. The wings don't.

[wheat wraith]

the merchantman is basically T posing on the 890j and basically it can't do shit

[spring vale]

Well, actually, the bottom one folds up for landing but extends for flight.

890 can open the top and deploy ships from a pressurizable internal hangar.

[wheat wraith]

the merchantman can haul over 3.5k SCU of cargo

[spring vale]

Ehh.

Shit matrix is shit. I'll believe that when I see it in game.

[granite meteor]

3.5k is in Freight units
All ships concepted before the Hull series still has their numbers in freight units
The official rule of thumb is FU/4 = scu
But most ships have had conversions closer to FU/5
So 700 scu is probably a safe minimum estimate 900 scu a high estimate, and it could go anywhere up or down from there as per the whims of CIG's design choices

We might see something like the Kraken Privateer too, where they drastically cut SCU for market space
Too early to tell

[wheat wraith]

actually nope

common misconception thrown around all the time that is wrong

when the hull series post came out by RSI they converted the carrack and BMM to SCU

the cat had 500,BMM 5k and carrack 1k scu

@granite meteor

[granite meteor]

Oh neat, but the Carrack now only has 456

[wheat wraith]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14684-Hull-B-Q-A

i found the article for you

[granite meteor]

Oh awesome, thanks for the link, info, and everything

[wheat wraith]

A few of these are spot on, but mind you some have deviated, the cat was pretty damn close and so too the freeMax, and the 890J too, but a few of them are a bit off. I'd say the carrack being halved is probably due to balancing, it went trhough a few remodels and at one point i assume the grey box had enough room for 1k.

[granite meteor]

Fair enough yeah

Holy heck 5k scu
Even 3.5k scu is an unbelievable amount

And it's still cheaper than the Hercules C2 lol

[wheat wraith]

the page was updated to 5k then probably reduced to 3.5k later

It's going to be comparable to the hull C i belive, slightly less cargo, but all internal.

[granite meteor]

Fair enough, still, wow, that seems like an awful awful lot lol

One trip worth 5.6 C2 trips, wow

[wheat wraith]

Well for stuff not ingame the numbers are expected to change as they get developed. The BMM will probably not carry as much as a hull C as i belive the hull c will the the equivilant ship, except the BMM has a merchant area, hidden guns and better defence. It's a blockade runner.

i'm expecting 2-5k scu

hoping they atleast hit 3.5k

[granite meteor]

Yeah it seems more than a little too good to be true, but I guess I'll have to wait and see

[wheat wraith]

its going to atleast carry 2k, i would imagine. Volume wise, it's a lot fatter and taller then the caterpillar, and longer too

It should fit in the same landing pads as the caterpillar too

i think?

The whole point of it is to land on planets unlike the later Hull series, as well as being a blockade runner.

the stores probably gonna be a gimmick calling it now, i hope it's a module that we can swap out but i doubt. lol

could be cool though so ill wait to see when its implimented

[spring vale]

@wheat wraith Anvil Carrack 2065.5 1057.536

Yeah...

I wouldn't trust that document.

A ton of space in the BMM is taken up by the market place, meeting rooms, apparently it's also supposed to have a significant living area.

It's not as bas as the Kraken for wasted space. But the BMM isn't a big flying box like the Cat is.

[wheat wraith]

@spring vale again, ships get redesigned, the carrack got resized multiple times. The document is a good insight into the idea of how much it should carry but the final product will vary.

[spring vale]

Carrack is less than half of what they doc says. Many things on that doc have had their cargo space go way down.

So yeah. I wouldn't put much faith in that.

[wheat wraith]

Yeah but that just say to trust nothing. That guide is pretty decent insight into what their plans were at the time

The guide is the best indicator we have, But as i said they can change things and redecide things at a later date so there is no real indicator, it's better then speculation

[serene hound]

Is there news on the BMM?

[granite meteor]

Carrack team might get moved to BMM after carrack release
Defender team is already on BMM

No eta

[serene hound]

Oh OK, well that's good to hear at least

[granite meteor]

It's not a s42 priority

[serene hound]

Makes sense, thaks Nathan

[granite meteor]

Happy to help, but yeah, the teams might get moved off if more s42 priority projects come up

[serene hound]

Fingers crossed then I suppose!

Either way, it's a very long way off.

[quaint island]

guys constelation taurus or Freelancer MAX for hauling ect?

[spring vale]

Max.

[pastel harbor]

Deadly if you’re just starting out, rent a constellation it’s cheaper and you only have 3-6weeks before server wipe anyways

[twin tapir]

Deadly?

[spring vale]

"XDeadlySixX" The username of the person asking the question.

[bleak spruce]

Carrack has too little beds to logout

Imagine you have 12 friends that wanna go exploring

Each one will be playing the game within their time limitations. So it need to be considered

It’s not like the 12 will be only all the time

[white cairn]

Have you considered it’s not built for 12 people

But like, 7

[modern vine]

Have you considered that by the time you log out and back in the ship will probably be flying space scrap

[late trench]

Just bought myself a freelancer, are there any decent cargo runs you'd reccomend ?

[half grotto]

Scrap from R&Rs to Olisar

[late trench]

Brill, thanks

[bleak spruce]

Carrack is a large exploration ship, its not built for 7. Is built to have 6 ppl on the ground at least

[spring vale]

Why would they be on the ground?

[white cairn]

because they're in the ursa rover obviously

[spring vale]

6 people in an Ursa?

[white cairn]

it's got 6 seats don't it

😎

4 "dropseats", driver and shotgun

[tired grotto]

woah

this channel is back

I thought #flight-combat-racing shot it down lol

[coral drum]

Is taurus a worthwhile upgrade to the max for pure hauling/trade??

[spring vale]

The Taurus isn't in game and currently not on the roadmap. So not really.

Right now, the step up from the Max for pure cargo would be the Caterpillar. In a few months, the Hercules is supposed to be coming out. If that includes the C2 model of it, then the C2 will be a better pure cargo transport since it can carry more and it'll have an easier time flying in atmosphere.

[coral drum]

Cat is a bigger step up in price too 😬

[spring vale]

For pure cargo though, cost to cargo capacity, the Hull series is the obvious winner. The Hull B or Hull C would be a good upgrade from the Max, but those are also nothwere to be seen on the roadmap.

[coral drum]

Hercules is gorgeous thougg

[spring vale]

Yeah, C2 is a step up in price from the Cat too.

But it's not going to be a pushover to kill, so it has that going for it.

Cat is $295, C2 is $360.

[coral drum]

Cat isn't available as an upgrade option currently on the website 😢

[spring vale]

Yeah, neither the Cat or the C2 are available year round. You'll need to get an upgrade token during the sale.

[coral drum]

Ah right

[spring vale]

You can get an upgrade token from the Cat to the C2 on Wednesday. And get a Max to Cat upgrade token on Saturday. You don't need to own the ship you're getting an upgrade token from. Just select the "all" option in the upgrade tool and type in the ship you want to upgrade from. It'll give you a warning that you don't own the Cat, but it's safe to ignore that.

[coral drum]

Oh ok... The store can be a tad confusing to a newcomer

[spring vale]

So if you own the Max now, you could melt it. use that credit to get the Cat to C2 token. Melt the Cat to C2 token, use credit to get the Max to Cat upgrade token, then melt that and buy back your Max. When you have money, you can buy those upgrade tokens back and upgrade. So you would want the Max to Cat first. Use the Cat until the C2 does come out. And then if the C2 seems like something you'd like to upgrade to, buy back the C2 token and apply it.

[coral drum]

Melt?

👈 new citizen

I bought a game package years ago, but only just started playing this week

[spring vale]

You can remove a package and it gives you store credit back. Since you have a Freelancer Max, that means when you melt it, you'd get at least $150 of store credit back. You can use that to buy the Max to Cat upgrade which is $145. And the Cat to C2 upgrade is $65.

[coral drum]

Ah so "melting" basically means refunding for store credit

[spring vale]

Pretty much. When you do that, with a few exceptions, it goes into your buy back list. You can buy back pledges from there at any time. However if you want to use credit for buying back, you need to use a buyback token.

[coral drum]

Ok cool

When the C2 is available would it be simpler to just upgrade straight from the max to the C2?

[spring vale]

Could do. There will most likely be flight ready price increase though. So if you can snag a CCU now and buy it back before that price increase happens, then you won't be hit by it.

Which with the C2 would probably save you $40-50.

[coral drum]

Nice...

[brazen summit]

I’ll be doing a max-c2 around the end of the sale

[hollow merlin]

is there a rover that fits in a cutlass black and can still carry a box?

tried the ursa rover but that wouldnt fit

and i guess the buggy can not carry a box

[dark bane]

One of the motorcycles can fit 3 boxes. Dragonfly can also fit a box

Both should fit in a cutlass just fine

[ashen pike]

The Cyclone can bring 1 SCU with him, but I am not sure it can enter a Cutlass.

[tired nacelle]

cyclone can enter the cutlass

Goes in easy

[spark wren]

I'd love if they make the buggy carry a box in passenger seat

[tired nacelle]

I should mention that you can't unload your backpack into the cyclone for whatever reason. You could totally drop a box into the back as the cargo area has a ramp that comes out

But does anyone know the mission where that guy on this discord/reddit got all those boxes he fit into a pisces and was able to sell?

[lofty vine]

Has anyone had issues hauling laranite to Area18?

specifically from 045 Wala to Area18. Twice now i've had cargo 100k+ and just blown up for seemingly no reason while QTing to area18

[warm maple]

Welp, I know my laptop is garbage, but I can't afford a new rig anytime soon, so let's see how far I can get before this thing fries itself.

Wish me luck

[wheat wraith]

Can't wait till we get the carrack, got both carrack n BMm. So the carrack team will move onto BMM

Carrack is gonna be a good hauler with 450. SCU too

Might get a mate to fly it as I do cargo in my cat for max profits

If I can get my other friend ingame when BMm I out I can fly a cargo flared with the 3 haha

[bleak spruce]

Cargo hauler steppingstones: cutlass, Connie Taurus, Cat or carrack, HULL series

Traders have different options but usually less SCU

I think on the PU I can get pretty far with this steppingstones

[coral drum]

C2 Hercules after cat/carrack

[solemn cradle]

not sure a carrack would make a good ccargo ship even with it's large cargo hold, that's sttill less than half the ship.

the carrack is likely to feel pretty slow compared to a caterpillar I bet.

[modern skiff]

How much value would you put on 150 SCU of cargo between the C2 and M2? My carrack is slightly larger than the M2 cargo so I dont think I really need it. so the C2 makes more sense as an upgrade from the Cat

but the M2 with more armor and potentially better grade components would make it even more beefy

I'm having a hard time justifying the price jump between the two models aha

I plan to go star runner -> carrack/M2 -> (if passing M2) C2 -> BMM

[spring vale]

@modern skiff M2 is 468 Carrack is 456. M2 is way smaller than the Carrack and should be significantly more maneuverable.

Also, cargo load/unload times for the Carrack will be significantly higher.

[modern skiff]

hmmm but is it worth downsizing from the cat to the M2 in terms of cargo?

[spring vale]

What do you see in the M2 that you'd prefer over the Cat?

The C2 is still likely better armoured, it has more shielding, however it has less cooling. It still has the VTOL to make landing significantly easier than in the Cat. And because it's lighter than the M2 when empty, it should be closer to the Cat in maneuverability.

[modern skiff]

I like the idea of the armour increase and the extra turret the M2 gets.

I crunched some quick numbers and the 150 scu isnt really that impactful

its a hard sell to pick the M2 over the C2

[spring vale]

Cat
4xS2 = 916
4xS4 = 2072
Total = 2988

C2
4xS3 = 1376
2xS4 = 1036
Total = 2412

M2
6xS3 = 2064
2xS4 = 1036
Total = 3100

[wheat wraith]

im just gonna chill in a BMM i think, should be pretty decent, its 100% traders life. The cat is a modular platform so things that are 100% trade should be better.

[spring vale]

DPS of the turrets on the 3 ships.

However the Hercules concept has horribly placed turrets.

Hopefully they'll unfuck it somewhat for the final product.

[wheat wraith]

the caterpillar is a jack of all trades ship

so its nice to have

[modern skiff]

yea. belly, top back and M2 under the nose

[spring vale]

Like, the top turret on the Hercules makes the top turret on the Lancer series look like it has the best firing arcs in the game.

[wheat wraith]

5x modules, are gonna be amazing . it's 50% module as a ship. Cannot wait to see what we get to put on the caterpillar.

[modern skiff]

im just thinking of what to use as a bridge between a light cargo and the BMM

[spring vale]

4x modules for the Cat.

The front can't be swapped out.

[wheat wraith]

4x and front module, no?

i thought the front was a special module, or so they said in one of the videos.

[spring vale]

Oh. Might be. However they changed a hell of a lot with the Cat since that video. So we'll see.

[wheat wraith]

the one with all the modules in grey box

he showed us a ton of modules

and a few front modules

etc.

like the docking module

chop shop

armoury

etc.

bunks

[spring vale]

Yeah

Medical bay.

[wheat wraith]

ah, you saw the video?

[spring vale]

We'll see what it does end up getting.

Yeah.

[wheat wraith]

technically 6 since the command module is a module

which makes me think

[spring vale]

That video had the Cat with 2 giant fuel tanks that you could actually interact with. As well as the catwalk was going down the centerline of the ship.

[modern skiff]

I may use the carrack for mid, and the C2 for the next jump

[wheat wraith]

is the wingy boi also a module? are there special modules we can put on it for either sides? lol.

[modern skiff]

but thats really not a big increase

[spring vale]

No.

The wing bit is the control station for one of the tractor beams.

[wheat wraith]

they call the command module just that so it would be interesting if you could swap those 2 out

[spring vale]

Same as the control panel in the downstairs front of the command module is the control station for the second tractor beam.

[wheat wraith]

honestly for the cat wouldn't if be cool if they made a double module that connected 2 cats, i know it ain't happening but i like to think of it as the ultimate cat form lol

[spring vale]

What?

Like tip to tip?

[wheat wraith]

sitting in the centre of 2 big cat bodies

in the command module

lol

like a banu defender but more lego

[spring vale]

Because they can't fit side by side without ripping off some of the engines.

[wheat wraith]

yeah they would need to make it a big thicc boy to work

[spring vale]

Oh god. The view from that would be awful.

[wheat wraith]

imagine the 1200 scu tho

[spring vale]

I think I'd take a larger ship over that.

Hull C for example.

[wheat wraith]

or BMM

hopefully 3.5k scu

[spring vale]

Lolnope.

[wheat wraith]

i hope they don't nerf it too hard. And why not?

when they converted it to SCU with the HULL Q & A it was at 5k SCU

[spring vale]

A lot of those numbers are from before they fleshed out exactly what all the BMM was supposed to have.

And that Hull Q&A is meaningless. People need to stop quoting it.

[wheat wraith]

it's not meaningless

[spring vale]

There are very few ships that actually have what that document said they would have unless they were already in the game.

[wheat wraith]

a lot of people seem to think all the numbers are from before SCU was a thing meme

when the hull Q & A shows otherwise

yeah maybe, but we can hope the BMM has atleast 2k SCU

it's a merchant blockade runner style vessil afterall. Kinda what the Cat was supposed to be but bigger lol

[spring vale]

That's more likely, but even that I wouldn't hold much hope for.

[wheat wraith]

At one point i remember the cat was the drake connie

times have changed

or pirate connie i should say

[spring vale]

That's like calling a panamax freighter a "blockade runner". It really isn't.

[wheat wraith]

haha

[modern skiff]

Im still torn on the M2 vs C2 lol If I did not have the carrack then probably the M2. But since I have something with the M2 cargo size already I just dont know.

[wheat wraith]

the BMM has concealed quad S6 and a turret in the ass end, etc. Has a lot more combat power then the hull series too, at the expense of cargo - which is kept inside.

atleast that was what we could assume from what was told to us long ago.

oh and it has a store, & you can land on a planet.

[spring vale]

I'll believe it when I see it. BMM is such an old design and has seen so many updates that all of that is very much so up in the air.

[wheat wraith]

yeah its probably gonna be worse then the carrack

in terms of changes i think

like it might resemble the BMM but i bet more of it won't then what will haha

i think the general profile will be the main similarity

tri wingy bois

hopefully it keeps its quad S6

idc if they are combat viable

i just want big ass cannons for no reason

lol

[spring vale]

Nautilus?

[wheat wraith]

isn't that a mine layer?

[spring vale]

With a twin S7 turret.

[wheat wraith]

o god

i remember the hurricane concept

what was it, quad S8 turret? or something dumb that got nerfed

[spring vale]

Yeah, that's an issue with the way it was shown in stats. I'm fairly sure the Cane was never supposed to have anti-capital STS guns.

[wheat wraith]

imagine if it did though

[spring vale]

It showed as quad S7 guns.

[wheat wraith]

thank fuck melting is a thing, imagine the backlash if you couldn't melt

[spring vale]

If it did, it would be absurd. Those guns are likely larger than the Cane.

https://starcitizen.tools/images/6/68/Nautilus_-_In_formation_attacking_in_battle_-_Port.jpg

Look at the size of those guns.

[wheat wraith]

i mean, yeah. weapons seem to scale exponentially in size

[spring vale]

Now imagine 4 of them on a fighter.

[wheat wraith]

it makes me hard thinking about it

lol

who needs engines

just shoot in the direction you don't want to go

bullet propelled fighter

currently the hurricane has a nice turret, one of the best. it's like a bolt on connie.

[spring vale]

Ehh, it's quad S3s. It's more like a bolt on Sabre.

[wheat wraith]

quad S4's no?

[spring vale]

Nope.

[wheat wraith]

oof

ya i just checked, S3.

[spring vale]

Still. We need more dedicated ships for cargo to compete with the Hulls but internal cargo rather than cargo dangling off the sides.

[wheat wraith]

that's why i want BMM to be amazing

look at the competitino

its literally an asteroid of cargo boxes

[modern skiff]

one thing to consider is that the Carrack's 3 modules are something I will probably replace once the option is there. So maybe just getting the C2 to haul would be the best option

[spring vale]

BMM isn't dedicated cargo. It's a flying shopping mall.

[wheat wraith]

it has one shop

[spring vale]

Nope.

[wheat wraith]

the kraken has 8

[spring vale]

Have you not seen the art for it? There's 2 floors dedicated to different shops.

[wheat wraith]

oof, really?

[spring vale]

And meeting rooms on the floor above that.

[wheat wraith]

honestly it would be fine with just a meeting room tbh

i dont really see the point in shops. atleast make them modular.

[spring vale]

Also, it's going to have significant living areas because the Banu that own a Merchantman will generally spend a majority of their life on board.

[wheat wraith]

i personally just want a BMM without shops , ima get the BMM anyway cuz of how it looks

unless they make a haulerman

varient

then ima get that

[spring vale]

Tons of the internal space it taken up by not cargo.

[wheat wraith]

Banu FreightMan

we need a varient

lel

[spring vale]

Banu are traders. That's not going to happen.

[wheat wraith]

They are traders, but we have a bigger trader then they do in the form of the kraken

The banu even have mining colonies etc.

[spring vale]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wheat wraith]

I'd be sad if i didn't see alien freight ships and mining vehicles etc. later on in the dev cycle or past release

[spring vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/498585536152338443/647879373461913601/IMG_20191123_192052.jpg

[wheat wraith]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/ee7lx8gl1usq5r/source/Xray.jpg

[spring vale]

That's very old.

[wheat wraith]

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14332-Clipper-Ship-Banu-Merchantman

Banu is less configurable than a Caterpillar or a Starfarer, there’s still plenty of room to take the ship in different directions. From black market trade platform to deadly q-ship, it’s a force to be reckoned with!

Yeah idk of any newer stuff

[spring vale]

It's basically like the Orion at this point. It went up in size and has largely dropped off the map since.

[wheat wraith]

hopefully you can configure it enough to get rid of some of the stores and do more cargo, idk how good merchanting is gonna be

all i know is cargo running is ingame, merchanting isn't. so i all i care about is cargo atm. Will care about merchanting when its ingame

[spring vale]

The BMM isn't in game either so...

[wheat wraith]

Realistically what i want is a big ship with loads of internal cargo, that can be configured into a Q-Ship kinda for lulz. Also the benefit of being able to do so is it might scare of pirates and can be a bluff .

and can land on planets ofc

[spring vale]

The thing is. Any ship known as a Q-ship isn't a Q-ship.

Same as any ship known for smuggling is a terrible smuggler.

[wheat wraith]

i agree, all ships should be able to be Q ships

then you never truely know

[modern skiff]

By the time the star lifters go live, its only a few months till the next sale ish so C2 for potential growth.

As for the BMM, I anticipate the cargo to shrink. The box stage it's in hasn't mentioned any changes to size yet. But that sort of stuff goes into full drive after feb. If it does change, better to get it now before a price hike next sale aha

[spring vale]

We need a ground artillery piece. Like a size 6 gun on a ground vehicle. Slow moving, slow reload. But fit a pair of them in the Hercules, you come under attack, you open the front ramp and go "Surprise motherfucker!"

[wheat wraith]

Hahahaha

i have said the same about the ballistas

drop a bunch out the ass end and let the S7's fly

[spring vale]

True. I'd be worried about firing a missile out of there. But it would work.

Oh lol. Just drop them into space.

[wheat wraith]

drop them in space like a minelayer

[modern skiff]

I've "fit" those in the cat sections and did pirate broadsides lol

[wheat wraith]

nice

[modern skiff]

Really bad lol

[spring vale]

Yeah, "fit" right up until you go into quantum and it forces the doors closed and your ballistas clang out and destroy themselves, the ship, or both.

[wheat wraith]

could you imagine? ya flying along and the cat comes up to your side, you wave as you're in a hull, suddenly all the bay doors open to reveal your grim fate, too late. The salvo is fired and your fate is sealed.

[modern skiff]

Didn't even attempt that lol

Just had fun just above levski aha

[spring vale]

If a Cat flies up to any cargo ship. The cargo ship pilot is going to instantly assume it's a trap.

[wheat wraith]

we once fit like 50 greycats in an 890j

talking about the 890j, isn't that for subs next month?

ima sub just to fly it hehehe

[modern skiff]

Yup

I'll probably do the same

[wheat wraith]

So do you guys think best in show will be for all ships, or just the 4 go on sale?

[spring vale]

I mean, everything will be on sale by then.

[modern skiff]

Everything from each day that wasn't limited stock will be on sale

[spring vale]

It'll just be a day of the expo where they have those 4 ships with their new skins on sale.

[wheat wraith]

Yeah but idk, it's best in show and specifically mentions those 4. While its fair to assume either way, i think there is a chance they might not do all ships for sale, so i'd play it safe.

[modern skiff]

They have every year so I dont see why they would cut potential sales

Its cig lol

[wheat wraith]

But yeah, gonna grab atleast 3 CCUs, of BMM, Vulture, Star runner, C2, M2 and Prowler. I got a bunch for the Apollo, Crucible and Nova. Hoping they turn into discount vouchers so i can pledge for more expensive ships.

[spring vale]

All of the ships from previous days are staying on sale as it moves on. I'm betting that the Best in Show day won't be any different.

[wheat wraith]

Basically apply grey market tactics but instead of selling them use them myself

oh true

they stay on sale

ima a dingus

[floral pelican]

Don't pay any attention to any ships that were upsized.

The UK ship team has an annoying habit of upsizing ships and then the rest of the team has to downsize it later because it's too big.

[wheat wraith]

UK team are just based and know what we want

we want THICC ASS SHIP

[hollow sedge]

If I buy 50k $ tradegoods and crash ingame I still loose the 50k in 3.8? If yes with which version/persistence patch does that stop happening?

[dark bane]

Yes. They have not told us what patch persistence will be in.

[hollow sedge]

I think CR said on Citcon Platform Persistence 3.8 and Full Persistence Mid 2020 and Server Meshing end20/2021

what of that stops loosing all the money in trade on crash though?

[spring vale]

When full cross-server persistence happens then it should save your cargo. Right now, if only you crash, then you should log back in sitting in your ship. But if the server itself crashes then your cargo is gone.

[hollow sedge]

so still loss on crash in 3.8 and maybe fixed in mid 2020? @spring vale

[livid orchid]

That noone knows this is pretty scary

to me that's the biggest hurdle of playing the game aside from Combat and Performance

[dark bane]

maybe. since it's not slated for a particular release i would be surprised if they actually hit that target

[devout yarrow]

So I have a ship question:
Currently I have a corsair, Freelancer MIS and Hoplite ... I am lacking hauling ... was thinking about upgrading the MIS ... should I go for hull C ? or is there a better option ? maybe Cat ?

[half grotto]

Cat is king of hauling currently, MAX close behind

[long cloak]

Max is better when you don’t have that much money. The Cat comes into its own when you can afford to fill it up.

The Hull C will be amazing for station to station hauling in future but it’s not in the game yet and the loaner is a Starfarer i think

[devout yarrow]

Yeah I was thinking about upgrading and not buying a new one, which limits me a bit

but I will look into it, thanks for the insight

[digital thorn]

what do you use the Hoplite for?

because I would argue the MIS is a better dropship and combat ship than the Hoplite (except in maneuverability) and would keep that and upgrade the Hoplite to a Caterpillar

[half grotto]

Hoplite has dedicated dropship jump seats (allowing for armor) and multiple weapon racks, including racks for larger weapons like railguns and rocket launchers

[twin tapir]

If you buy an M2/C2 now, is there a placeholder ship?

[half grotto]

Yes, Starfarer Gemini

https://support.robertsspaceindustries.com/hc/en-us/articles/360003093114-Loaner-Ship-Matrix

[twin tapir]

Ok. Never bought a ship before it was flying before.

Thanks.

[coral drum]

Just upgraded max to C2 myself

120 to 624 cargo... Quite a jump!

[winged pebble]

will MM have anymore do you know?

[mental hemlock]

That loaner matrix is behind

[digital thorn]

what is off @mental hemlock ?

[twin tapir]

I see a loaner listed for Caterpillars?

[mental hemlock]

Valk caterpillar

Terrapin hurricane

Dragonfly

[coral drum]

Retaliator also has a loaner listed

[mental hemlock]

Mustang

Retaliatory

Yeah

About half the ships

Are flight ready from that list

[half grotto]

Due to the current restrictions in Arena Commander, certain ships have a secondary loaner to allow them to play in all game modes. For example, Freelancer owners receive a Hornet for use in Arena Commander play modes.

[twin tapir]

890has a loaner.

[coral drum]

It's probably accurate for the remaining ships that aren't flyable yet

[half grotto]

The wonders of reading

[coral drum]

Oh yeah maybe that's it, the arena Commander loaners

[mental hemlock]

Ahh I didn’t know arena commander was part of it

I forget that even exists

[coral drum]

The wonders of reading

Come on now, no need for that...

[mental hemlock]

It’s the internet

[digital thorn]

IF YOU CAN'T READ, YOU CAN'T READ THIS

[gusty junco]

How does hauling work? Is there stuff to haul that isn’t drugs?

[main elm]

buy something and move it to another place

space trucking 😄

[gusty junco]

Examples on what to haul?

[main elm]

anything

[gusty junco]

Bruh

[main elm]

anything you can buy someone else will want

[crystal trail]

in the various cities/outposts/stations

you can find kiosks and can buy/sell

[gusty junco]

Is there a guide?

[crystal trail]

for the moment itll fill the cargo hold of your ship with what you buy automatically

eventually this will be a physical process handled either by you, crew, or npc and will take a certain amount of game time

[gusty junco]

What should I haul?

[crystal trail]

theres some apps and website designed to help you make a better profit by determining what and how much to haul and to where

there is also a small spreadsheet of stuff in #385107388501590029

[main elm]

youtube is your friend as well

[crystal trail]

I dont have any specific info to give you personally as I havent messing much with cargo in this patch a lot

as far as what makes money that is

biggest thing to keep in mind

never spend all your uec at once

because alpha, and bugs

and when your whole ship of cargo disappears into the middle of a planet somehow you dont want to be broke

[half grotto]

https://gallog.co/trading/

[gusty junco]

Would it be a good idea to buy raw materials like aluminum at levski and sell it at Hurston?

[half grotto]

Anything that avoids Hurston and ArcCorp, and preferably within the same planetary system. Avoiding outpost to outpost routes is also recommended but not out of the question. And absolutely avoid any of the drug labs, their supply/demand limits are horrible