#Proposed Clarence Island Expansion

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cerulean talon
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In my last suggestion about decreasing the capacity of Clarence International, I've gotten a lot of push-back from it due to the leading argument being that Clarence is the centre airport of Aeronautica, even though the airport does not reflect on it. So, why not make the actual Clarence island look like it's the centre of Aeronautica. For starters, the island has been expanded upon to be quite larger than previously. Due to this a larger airport (JFK) can comfortably fit on this island without it looking out of place. There are also a few extra towns that would be included with this expansion.

Now this expansion also takes inspiration of the New Englandtown remodel, which expanded and is a lot better than before. I believe that if NET could get the treatment, so too can Clarence. This expansion (especially the airport) would make sense for larger aircraft to operate from as it is a major hub for Aeronautica players.

-# N.B. Due note that the island pictured is a lot larger than the current Clarence island.

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rancid knoll
deft marsh
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Ehhhhh

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IMO the reason Clarence is considered a hub isn’t just because of it being the center of the map, but also because the airport feels quite frankly cozy

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Adding a vast expansive airport may just serve to spread people out and remove that feeling

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but

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Expanding the island itself around the airport is definitely a good idea

minor dawn
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I vote YES because you have a lot of in-universe airlines with heavy jets based at what is essentially LaGuardia.

prisma willow
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Amogus

minor dawn
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Sure we have Norman as Oconia's mega-airport, but the lore is the lore, so seeing Clarence Island expanded with CIA redone as JFK or LAX would be nice.

cerulean talon
minor dawn
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Then JFK. Newark and Lagua are mainly for national/regional flights. Gotta be big enough for Concorde and A380 gamers.

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Also, TWA building for lols

cerulean talon
deft marsh
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But it does fit into the perception of the playerbase

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Just look at all the other expansive international airports
Majority of them are total ghost towns

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even with cross server on

rancid knoll
deft marsh
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Maybe it’s realistic but it isn’t an enjoyable gameplay experience

cerulean talon
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Clarence is supposed to be the main hub where majority of the playerbase is, I believe having a big airport would fit that as it would look like that every aircraft can operate there.

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Making it very inclusive

deft marsh
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spreading players out across a wider set of tarmac is the opposite of inclusiveness

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You are easily capable of taking off and landing at Clarence with any aircraft in the game

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The terminal definitely needs a rework though

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But making the entire airport larger would just spread people out

cerulean talon
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I also heavily believe that sooner or later there would be a physics rewrite where all aircraft would fly based on how they are flown in real life and that would affect on what aircraft can land at smaller airports like Clarence.

deft marsh
prisma willow
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Like, if people gather there's a point where they obviously would

deft marsh
barren mauve
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clarence pangea

prisma willow
deft marsh
prisma willow
deft marsh
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Either or

prisma willow
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And it's only because it's so close to the default spawnpoint

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If the default spawnpoint was somewhere else, they'd congregate there

deft marsh
prisma willow
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Yeah

deft marsh
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instead of a multiple thousand foot taxi

prisma willow
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Exactly

deft marsh
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hence why I am against a larger airport

prisma willow
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Which is why it looks like they're congregating on the runway

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When in reality what they're doing is just they're congregating around the spawn point

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It doesn't matter where the spawn point is

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It's still gonna be a point where people congregate, and they won't be spread out any more than they are now

rancid knoll
prisma willow
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sussy baka amogus

deft marsh
# prisma willow When in reality what they're doing is just they're congregating around the spawn...

there is no shortage of historical photos from good days gone where people are lined up on the runway itself - namely due to it’s proximity to the spawn point.

Additionally, the design of the airport itself draws players together instead of splitting them apart, as the only main runways converge on each other, thus funneling the playerbase all into one spot.

It’s really a case of “more isn’t always better”

More options for players to go when operating out of the airport will likely remove the hub-like feel it currently holds by diverting some players to other sections of the airport

It isn’t just about people spawning in, but also people landing. At Clarence there is only one general area for people to go when preparing for their next flight after a landing - having a larger airport in terms of overall area would subconsciously divert much of that incoming traffic due to there being more choices for players.

mild siren
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tbh why not something smaller and expand the cultural area its supposed to be based on

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like once again the dev sanctioned KBOS

rancid knoll
deft marsh
mild siren
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i'd also like to add that perhaps there might not be as much of a need for clarence to be remodeled into a big airport when harden gets remodeled

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i would be inclined to think that airport would be big enough for that general area of the map

broken hedge
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no

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i um dont like this

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i prefer the modern one

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it feels perfectly sized

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most other remodeled airports seem "too big"

deft marsh
wild vapor
void gust
stuck scarab
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I would say expand the island but keep the current airport

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hopefully they do more than update the city in the next update

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I really like your proposed map btw great

cerulean talon
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Maybe when Harden gets remodelled, all larger aircraft could be diverted there

void gust
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I am not moving 300 aircraft from Clarence swag_2

rancid knoll
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you wont need to

hazy temple
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idk this is the weird thing

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Whenever Clarence is brought up, everyone talks in theoreticals.

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Like, "Oh if its bigger itll spread people out because all the other international airports are abandoned"
But all the international airports are also significantly further away from 0,0, so that floating point is very often noticeable.

I think the biggest factor is accessibility. Clarence is THE ONLY international airport within about a 10-15 minute flight of Oconee. Plus its the SE training site (either that or the end point, can't remember which) so its basically the one airport ingame where you can both land every aircraft and noobs can easily reach.

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So long as Clarence stays physically where it is, the airport will remain the focal point for flights as the trading hub and mixing point for new and veteran players.

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But getting back to the point, it may be worht testing KSEA at Clarence.
Crazy idea, yeah, but maybe for a week or 2 the Clarence island gets supersized and KCIA gets replaced with Obroria's KSEA model

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Then we can actually test the theory of "Clarence is good because cozy"

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Though imo its not gonna change much.
There are plenty of "Cozy" airports, even in Oconia, that people just don't use because they aren't practical, aren't close enough to 0,0, or both.

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I think also that with AI aircraft, the airport will (hopefully) be able to stay alive.

Especially if Clarence gets the ability to spawn ANY AI livery on ANY plane. That would make it really unique.

opaque palm
# deft marsh there is no shortage of historical photos from good days gone where people are l...

Thing is the same can be done to a JFK-based Clarence. They have crossing runways too, and in fact the JFK-based Clarence would benefit from more options for big jets ||(and ones with special procedures like SSTs & many Event/Staff planes)|| to park at (which is what Clarence often sees in a full server).

One of these is where the default spawn would be at.

  • Red = Probably the closest possible to an active runway
  • Green = More space for larger aircraft
    In fact, JFK's runway 13L/31R is a mere 1km longer than LGA's runway 13/31 (which corresponds to runway 9/27 ingame). Runway-hungry jets like the KR-860 can comfortably takeoff from there.

(Assume this picture is oriented to the North when placed in Aero)

You want a quick taxi to an (already-sufficiently-long) active runway? Taxi northward. You have an event/staff/dev plane that needs the curvature of the Earth to takeoff? Taxi southward. You want to park at a terminal? There's an actual widebody terminal next to you. You have an A380? Either embrace parking yours at an ICAO Code E stand in the nearby terminal or taxi southward or eastward.

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What you meant right there is merely the distace from spawn point to a runway. In LGA-based Clarence it's about 1km.

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(Mind you both pics are at the same scale)

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Taking that into account, the default spawn point for a JFK-based Clarence would be at the remote stand next to IRL JFK's T8

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Let's not forget LGA-based Clarence has other terminals too. I've parked at what is Terminal C irl (the west terminal ingame), ingame, with a bunch of other players just fine.

hazy temple
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The main thing is that parking a small plane at a gate thats too big for it is a lot less noticable than a big plane at a small gate.

opaque palm
hazy temple
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Oftentimes because the smaller gate has smaller surrounding buildings, which makes the large plane dwarf the buildings.

opaque palm
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Plus...

there is no shortage of historical photos from good days gone where people are lined up on the runway itself - namely due to it’s proximity to the spawn point.

Why must this being brought up? Its irrelevant imo

opaque palm
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(Actually more like selective realism)

hazy temple
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That too.

opaque palm
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In theory you could park a Code E jet in a Code C stand. You just have to make sure the adjacent stands are empty & will not be used

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A prime example would be how the An-225 landed in any airport outside the former USSR regions in real life

deft marsh
opaque palm
deft marsh
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broken hedge
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you need to stop there for se training

deft marsh
broken hedge
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before kcia

hazy temple
# deft marsh I was not talking about the functionality of the airport I was talking about how...

And I must say:
I think a lot of the fun of the airport is in spite of its design, not because of it.

Like, when liveries first dropped, instead of doing what people do now at meetups at other larger airports (namely, sitting in gates to make it look real), everyone just sat across the runway in a field where you could properly show off the livery without it dwarfing the terminal or getting smothered in players.

The large clusters you see at Clarence are more a function of the airport having 1 major spawn point, so any large rush of players results in a Norman Cross.

opaque palm
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But still you'd fly over Clarence & witness its sheer size

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Until you went to other airports midgame

broken hedge
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also um

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i think i went to womoil rig 1 first

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i thibk

hazy temple
opaque palm
# broken hedge the se training is koia kga kcia

So you spawn at Hampden. Counts as your first airport. Then you go to Oconee. Second airport. Then Gaston. Third airport. Finally Clarence. Fourth airport. You're right, but youre still missing my point.

hazy temple
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And as I've said many times before when Clarence becomes a talking point:

Most people despise LGA. Its THE least popular of the NY area airports.

opaque palm
broken hedge
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ive been there

hazy temple
# broken hedge newark is worse

I've been through newark but not LGA.
Newark isn't great unless you are connecting domestic (which then its pretty aight.)

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But I've heard far more people shit talk LGA and its terminals than Newark.

broken hedge
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its shit

opaque palm
# deft marsh again, read how my message ties into this it would make Clarence appear less pop...

If you read your message again JFK can tick the same boxes.

Why community interaction?

  • Intersecting runways "that funnels players into one place" ✅
    • -# do people even take that as a factor tho? like, people only gather at one spot because it's the closest to their spawn. ||This better not be like how you confuse PvE as "Player Versus Entity". Moving on...||
  • Short taxi duration ✅
    • Just place the default spawn in T8
hazy temple
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I should add here:
I often actually avoid Clarence. Its tiny and I only use it as a trading hub. Its neat to do the approach but oftentimes its just a pain because the airport is too small for how many people use it.

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Its cool to see other players as well, but you can see as many people if you fly to Kites or Norman.

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Or Lynwood, though Lynwood is more because its a cramped airport as well

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Though again, my perception may be skewed because I often avoid Clarence due to how cramped it is

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And if you really think its such an issue, why not test it?

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Obroria is going to add KSEA, and thats teh perfect airport to just slap into clarence for a week to test

deft marsh
# hazy temple And I must say: I think a lot of the fun of the airport is in spite of its desig...

The design of Clarence in its current state seems to have been chosen seemingly as if the developers were specifically striving to create an airport that motivated player interaction.

  • All players, incoming and outbound, are funneled into the same general area, as the only 2 runways converge on each other and there is only one main terminal section.

  • The runways are directly next to the terminal, making spotting other aircraft easy

  • Despite the small terminal, the runways are long enough to comfortably accommodate any aircraft in the game

There is absolutely no functional advantage to completely changing Clarence into a different airport.

Changing Clarence to a larger airport would:

  • Lessen player interaction
    • Subconsciously divert inbound flights to different sections of the airport, as the runways are on opposite sides of the airport.
    • Force players to taxi farther away to from the center of the airport and thus spotters and other aircraft, to runways which are on the very outskirts of the airport

It is factual information proven via a simple understanding of game design that expanding the distance taken up by a number of players will lead to the area feeling less populated.

Again, it's a case of "more is not always better".

opaque palm
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Now then @deft marsh mind making me a diagram on how LGA-based Clarence fits your criteria?

deft marsh
broken hedge
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while yes intl is more busy flying into city is a much calmer exprrience

deft marsh
broken hedge
deft marsh
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Aeronautica is not a flight simulator

We don't need every hub to be humongous just because of realism

hazy kayak
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hazy temple
# deft marsh The design of Clarence in its current state seems to have been chosen seemingly ...

All players, incoming and outbound, are funneled into the same general area, as the only 2 runways converge on each other and there is only one main terminal section.
True, but that serves to also limit players who want to be semi-realistic with their approaches. It also means that overloading of the space is easier. Its like 4 elevators vs 1. Sure, 1 is "Cozier" but if a lot of people are trying to use that elevator it quickly crams.
The runways are directly next to the terminal, making spotting other aircraft easy
This is true of every major airport ingame. Its a purposeful design of airports so that both ATC, Inbound aircraft, and outbound aircraft can see each other. THe only exceptions are when terminals obstruct view (which only occurs at Udyana, Anhedral, Umi, and Yunzhou). Making it JFK would not affect visibility in a noticeable way unless the players render distance is set very low.
Despite the small terminal, the runways are long enough to comfortably accommodate any aircraft in the game,
This is false. Larger or high stall speed aircraft struggle in any conditions that are not perfectly clear and calm. Even with perfect conditions, some SSTs and larger jets cannot land at Clarence due to stall speed (especially if trying an ILS approach)
Subconsciously divert inbound flights to different sections of the airport, as the runways are on opposite sides of the airport.
This is only averted from Clarence due to its small size, which makes it prone to overcrowding.
Force players to taxi farther away to from the center of the airport and thus spotters and other aircraft, to runways which are on the very outskirts of the airport
This is true of Clarence as it stands currently as well. Any takeoff that isn't runway 27 westbound forces the player to taxi to the edges of the airport. The only saving grace is Clarence's small size, which again, makes the area prone to cramming.
It is factual information proven via a simple understanding of game design that expanding the distance taken up by a number of players will lead to the area feeling less populated.
This is only true if the area is already under or at its player capacity. Anhedral is a good example of this. It has low traffic, so the large airport makes it feel unpopulated. Clarence is the opposite. IT is often slammed with people, making the airport feel crowded and chaotic.
There is also again a misconception on your side that seeing other people is where the fun of clarence comes from. The reason Clarence is so interesting is because its design and role in Aero encourages it to be the main hub of player activity.
You can make the airport bigger without sacrificing player density by simply making areas which naturually encourage congregation (such as 1-3 unifed spawn locations like what current clarence has.

opaque palm
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The design of Clarence in its current state seems to have been chosen seemingly as if the developers were specifically striving to create an airport that motivated player interaction.
It's because LGA is smaller than JFK. Which fits into the original outline of the Clarence Island.

All players, incoming and outbound, are funneled into the same general area, as the only 2 runways converge on each other and there is only one main terminal section.
There are two terminal sections in LGA. I've seen both getting utilized at different times. It depends on where someone starts the gathering at. If it's at Terminal B, its in Terminal B. If ifs at Terminal C, its at Terminal C. If its at Default Spawnpoint, its at Default Spawnpoint.

The runways are directly next to the terminal, making spotting other aircraft easy
JFK has too.

Despite the small terminal, the runways are long enough to comfortably accommodate any aircraft in the game
"Comfortably accommodate any aircraft in the game" KR-860: :holditin:

There is absolutely no functional advantage to completely changing Clarence into a different airport.
There is. Open up the AeroATC chart for KCIA & try taxiing an A380 to runway 09 via taxiway A, B & finally Z. Will your right wing have a hole (or a tear) in it?

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Changing Clarence to a larger airport would:

Lessen player interaction

  • Subconsciously divert inbound flights to different sections of the airport, as the runways are on opposite sides of the airport.
  1. Taxiways that cross the entire airport's apron exist.
  2. This goes back to my earlier point on how aircraft movement is initiated by one person.
  3. Have you ever went to a spotting event?
  • Force players to taxi farther away to from the center of the airport and thus spotters and other aircraft, ...
    No spotter spot from the terminal.

... to runways which are on the very outskirts of the airport
LGA-based Clarence are also at the "outskirts of the airport"

It is factual information proven via a simple understanding of game design that expanding the distance taken up by a number of players will lead to the area feeling less populated.
This seems fun.

No, your argument is a strawman argument and is filled by factual ignorance and ego written by someone who had spent months downturning borderline "terrible" suggestions. Your oversized taskbar UI in one of your screenshots before don't give me any good feeling about your thoughts & your claim on your experience in modelling. How do you even model a gun, on Blender, on a 5-year old 13" Dell Inspiron?

Again, it's a case of "more is not always better".
Again, it's a case of "old is not always gold".

broken hedge
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you would know the bigger the worse

hazy temple
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Jesus the difference in response lol

opaque palm
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Lest we forget you were the one who talks too much the ATC threw a hissy fit

broken hedge
hazy temple
broken hedge
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with only 1 runway

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if i were to do a spotting at jfk clarence, i would have to do an airship

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its forced

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aeronauticans are too small and too slow

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to be able to be used effectively

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literally no good viewpoints at all too

hazy temple
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JFK still has 2 spots from which all 4 runways are visible for a decent fraction of their length

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deft marsh
# hazy temple > All players, incoming and outbound, are funneled into the same general area, a...

Clarence is only crammed when cross server is on

The only hub airports this is true for are Clarence, Lynwood, and Fiskar, which are.. ya guess it... older airports. Also, The majority of players play on low render distance as the game can get quite laggy

It is not false. I can take off and land there easily in an M-21, which has a top speed of 205 knots. If you are incapable of landing at clarence in ANY AIRCRAFT, that is a skill issue.

Again, overcrowding only occurs with cross server on

This is not true for clarence in it's current state. All aircraft operating in the radius of the airport can easily be viewed from the terminal, even on the lowest graphics settings

Again, overcrowding only occurs with cross server on

With a simple understanding of game design, you can understand that making Clarence bigger would contribute to a direct tapering of the hustle and bustle that makes it so good.

broken hedge
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they are the exact same configuration as lga

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but you have more stressed to turn around

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you wouldnt have to turn that much for a kcia spotting

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not a full 360 at least

opaque palm
# broken hedge with only 1 runway

You once spotted at East Cove. The one you got yelled to shut up at by ATC. You notice you placed yourself near the intersection of two runways right?

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Plus only one runway there is the least utilized

broken hedge
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youd only have turn a bit

opaque palm
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I dont think so

hazy temple
# deft marsh > Clarence is only crammed when cross server is on > The only hub airports this...

Many people have cross server on. also in major updates.

Clarence, Lynwood, Fiskar, Tikaranto, Rizierie, Enoksen, Oskufloi, Kitesboro, Norman, Al Tak, Jepo, Meihua, Kashio, and Harden.

Top speed is not stall speed. M-52s (Stall of 160 knots) can struggle.

This is true of most airports ingame, with only a handful (Like Rizierie) having issues with viewing.

Again, dismissing this because "I don't run cross server" is purposefully ignoring max load scenarios like major updates.

opaque palm
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You just spot takeoffs & landings

broken hedge
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but for jfk you do

opaque palm
hazy temple
opaque palm
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Spotters tell which runway they are spotting

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Its just your problem for not telling which specific runway

broken hedge
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true

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okay

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fair

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still brings up the parking problem

deft marsh
# opaque palm > The design of Clarence in its current state seems to have been chosen seemingl...

  • Yes, thats the point

  • The terminal sections are directly next to each other

  • They are much farther away than LGA

  • Skill issue

  • They should remodel the terminal, but not the airport

    1. Longer taxiways would take much longer to navigate
    1. Shrug
    1. Events do not reflect actual gameplay circumstances

  • Spotter was used as a figurative term to a normal player looking at aircraft

  • Again.. read the point i made for this one as it disproves this off the bat

  • Using a personal insult in an attempt to get a futile point across is not very respectful of the atmosphere in this thread

broken hedge
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how would you lark

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park

opaque palm
hazy temple
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Without cross server, Lynwood and Norman (and even rizerie) can get more populated than Clarence

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The "Hustle and Bustle" Would be gone either way

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Most of the activity in Aero comes from spur of the moment things or airports in advantageous positions.

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The size of the airport has little bearing on the activity unless its too small for the activity

deft marsh
hazy temple
hazy temple
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I've never seen an AN-225 takeofff from clarence successfully in a storm

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wihtout overrrunning or otherwise using more runway than is technically available

deft marsh
hazy temple
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its literally eating the entire runway

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and requires perfect weather

deft marsh
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again thats also the largest plane ever made

hazy temple
deft marsh
hazy temple
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I've used A380s and it takes up a hell of a lot of runway at Clarence even with a brakestand.

deft marsh
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its a skill issue if ya cant take off at clarence idk how else to put it

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HOWEVER that being said

opaque palm
# deft marsh - Yes, thats the point - The terminal sections are directly next to each other ...

Yes, thats the point
I once overlaid JFK over Clarence. Not too big of a footprint except the town behind the terminal gets wiped off the map, a small part of the hill needs to be blasted, et cetera

The terminal sections are directly next to each other
JFK's terminal sections are, too.

They are much farther away than LGA
Look at my pic again. Have I placed them too far? Is it possible to have a spawn point closer to the runway?

Skill issue
Doubt

They should remodel the terminal, but not the airport

    1. Longer taxiways would take much longer to navigate
    1. Shrug
      You just never went to an impromptu gathering by it seems
  1. Events do not reflect actual gameplay circumstances
    Yeah you just never went to a spotting event. They choose a goddamn runway to spot & where they spot. Plus they gather near the spawn point most of the time. Doesnt change with airport.

Spotter was used as a figurative term to a normal player looking at aircraft
Yeah no seems irrelevant to this debate.

Again.. read the point i made for this one as it disproves this off the bat
So you mean "other players looking at the aircraft". If im spotting from my stand at Terminal B towards some funny looking livery or staff plane at Terminal C, I would still get blocked off by the concourses at Terminal C

Using a personal insult in an attempt to get a futile point across is not very respectful of the atmosphere in this thread

It is factual information proven via a simple understanding of game design that expanding the distance taken up by a number of players will lead to the area feeling less populated.
You used one first. Why are you playing victim?

deft marsh
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the terminal needs a rework

opaque palm
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But surprisingly the recalimed land portion of the runways could fit onto the ocean around Clarence

hazy temple
deft marsh
# hazy temple Overture (2022) KR-860 M-52 MD-11F K700 XB-1 777-9 748i A380

Overture 2022 can damn near take off from lernivo
Ill test this one and send as it will be a challenge
Its a supersonic bomber. not even a contest
General airliner, not a challenge
General airliner, not a challenge
This is literally the second fastest accelerating plane in the game 2hard
General airliner, not a challenge
General airliner, not a challenge
I'll test A-380 too

hazy temple
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Ill do A380 with a brakestand to ensure max spool

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From proper threshold

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hazy kayak
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hazy temple
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So with rear bogies ON the white threshold line, I was able to takeoff just before the runway intersection in clear weather

deft marsh
hazy temple
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Dunno how it'd work with rain tho

deft marsh
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I honestly dunno

hazy temple
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Yes

deft marsh
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I know it impacts landing

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Ah

hazy temple
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quite heavily iric

deft marsh
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Hmm

hazy temple
deft marsh
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KR860 will be a challenge but it should get off

hazy kayak
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deft marsh
hazy temple
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The fact the terminal has 1 gate that can support widebodies, and that gate is restricted to 767-400ER max

opaque palm
# deft marsh Every single point I originally made counters all of this... and also, the last ...

Every single point I originally made counters all of this...
If youre the only one who can wrap your head around that, I doubt others would. Thing is, there's things that JFK does the same as LGA but better.

and also, the last was not an insult, it is a true statement, not intended to be an insult.
Fair enough

It may be hard to understand unless you have actually worked on a game.
I dont think that needs to be brought up? You werent talking from a game design perspective—you were talking from a COMMUNITY perspective.

Maybe instead of throwing jabs at someone using a low tier device, you should go ask those working on the Clarence remodel to scrap my Flatiron Building :pepenuke:
Not my problem

hazy kayak
hazy temple
opaque palm
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You dont spot the entire runway

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You spot where the plane starts moving & rotating

hazy temple
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Anyways testing complete, I sleep

opaque palm
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I wanna compare that to real life

hazy kayak
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opaque palm
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Anyway heres an A380 taking off from HKG.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6lqopdPqPR/?igsh=YzdrdnNibTB3MW52

aerowanderer

AMAZING AERIAL VIEW🤯 of Singapore Airlines A380 takeoff

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spreading people out decreases activity

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opaque palm
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Maybe in real life

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But there’s not constantly 30 people at Clarence in one server

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Or just a custom terminal

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Its really wack

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That runway & the terminal width is literally LGA's achilles's heel

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This idea gets floated so often

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Im not really sure why the devs don't action it

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Or poll it

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If anything...

  • LGA's runways are shit
  • LGA's stands are shit
  • LGA's taxiways are shit
  • "Good old times" Go back to sleep gramps
  • We have big planes
  • JFK better for big planes
  • Spotters already have a way to adapt to a KJFK situation; just pick one runway.
    • This happened during the Udyanapura spotting before. Spotters only choose 1 runway.
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Make Oconia Great Again, choose JFKtrolley

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I like the current airport

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Of course it’s grounded in reality

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But not a simulator

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Well lets not forget most fictional planes ingame are from other franchises

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But its more of an "AE player who also happens to play Aero & made a custom plane"

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majority of them are inspiration

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Only like 25% says "Fictional" & somewhere along those lines

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People base at clarence because its the first large airport people run into. Once they buy a few planes theyre gonna end up putting them where they keep their other planes. For most players the first aircraft they end up storing somewhere for a long period will be at clarence or occonee, and occo is too small for people to base out of in the late game

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I flew to udyanapura cause it’s a cool new airport. I’ve never really taken off from there. Overall, I think this would mean a decrease in activity, even if there was an initial boost. When I look at big airports, they just feel like way less inviting than Clarence.

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they don’t

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Nope.

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it is a waste of time to even taxi

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why bother

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Yeah no youre just a wall at this point

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You’re missing the concept of the figurative funnel which I’ve reiterated 5 times

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It’s no use anymore

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If JFK Clarence is where the tutorial ends people would flock to Clarence still

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If the tutorial ends in Lynwood people would flock to Lynwood

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Its always 09 for departures

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Even in a JFK-based Clarence, with my diagram here, 13L wpuld be used often for departures

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instead of splitting off with 3 different runways

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Doubt

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Goddamnit automod

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Is it in Terminal B?

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No

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Thing is Newark cant handle A380s

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We want something that can handle A380s

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The runways are shit for big planes

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The taxiways are wingtip razors

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The terminals are like smaller-than usual female humans being shoved by big phallic body parts in an adult-rated anime subgenre

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Or how about this?

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Replace LGA Clarence with SFO Clarence?

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Taxiing from the runway to that ine fuel tank next to the terminal can take several minutes in a Remos

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Your only saving grace is that Clarence sits where Floating Point Error isnt too bad

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But your argument just now is the taxi times

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JFK has terminals with relatively big empty aprons not too far from a runway

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Look at my chart

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Both are at the same scale

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Even the proposed island still keeps Gaston as it is

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Now dont try to beat around the bush

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just replace it with YSSY

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though it may clip some trees from that runway 36 hill

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There's less incentive for someone to move when quite literally the game allows them to stay.

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That's the reason why my first suggestion about Clarence was to reduce the capacity of the airport, and I got a lot of pushback from it.

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If the devs iron out a few kinks to the flight physics, you would basically just get a lite version of how most flight simulators are.

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Which shows how close Aero is to an actual flight simulator than not. But that's besides the point

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or like

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make it KSFO instead

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it retains the laguardia shape

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so dank’s player funnel idea stays

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and it can handle a380s

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vro

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Pretty sure they're working on a clarence remodel

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BUT THIS IDEA IS GRAND

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Regardless they probably cooking something so all of this discussion may/may not have been a total waste 2hard

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imo if Clarence ever gets a remodel then it should be made by the devs for player interaction and accessibility in all planes instead of being based on a real airport

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I'm so F glad bro put JFK there

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does he know

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oh my gawd fat clarence what is this

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They call it Phat C

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Fresh from the #lore-discussion Presses:

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More directly:

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So if you like KRDU (Raleigh-Durham International Airport) then congrats

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SO

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thats that.

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If Clarence gets a capacity nerf as a result the entire world will riot Skrolley

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it actually gets a buff

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RDU has at least 2 (possibly up to 4) widebody gates

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And its runway has hosted teh AN-225 before

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The current stat is 200

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it wouldn't make sense

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RDU is straight up bigger tahn LGA in every metric except amount of gates and passengers

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dont worry guys

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you are all in good hands

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we have all collectively seen the vision and approve of it

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even through such an unorthodox approach

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its a shame that we chose to replace clarence with KBOS

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I think its 4

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given previous incidents with diversion aircraft

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but I don't actually know

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I know each end of terminal 2 has 1

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I know of C21 or 23 has some, because thats where the international flights usually sit.
Then occasionally the Air France and AMerican 777s arrive simultaneously and the American gets shoved to teh D gates at the United end of hte terminal.

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I think somwhere like D17 or 19

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Though the RDU airport authority is chill enough that you could probably just outright ask.

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Brother

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In what way is RDU related to New York

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Or I'm blind idk

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its not

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lol

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i woildve rather kept lga for the new york feel but oh well

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i wonder why not ewr tho

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If they can't put JFK use this as a substitute

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Even though PokeGamer is gonna rotan me

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or like, fuckin sfo

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because it has an lga like layout

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well they already decided on rdu

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SFO is too big.

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🥀

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Literally like you taxi across 1 taxiway and you are at the runway.

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true

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unwarranted hate tbh

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RDU has a runway long enough for the AN-225 (so conceivably any aircraft could land there) while still having at least 2 runway

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plus a GA ramp

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true

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and freight ramp

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rdu definitely is a really good choice

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its just funny that they picked RDU

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though Komet may have had something to do wit hthat.

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i just personally didnt like it much bc it loses the new york feel tbh

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but its fair to choose it

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Also T1 has to taxi over a road to get to the opposite runway

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Terminal 2 is right next to the larger runway, and T1 is right next to eth smaller one

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what

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idek what an RDU is

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major airport in NC that serves 2 cities and 3 towns

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second largest airport in NC

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interesting

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maybe we will consider it

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but then woc would have nowhere to go

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which would be quite upsetting

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im just a OIA supremacist

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btw can we have some OIA ai spawns at new clarence bc there are currently 0

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welcome to tuckerton zuzasmirk

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Testicle

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hi i got bored

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Only thing I would change is keeping oconee 1 runway and quite small

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That airport design is great imo, allowing larger aircraft to land easily and lots of player interaction

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bro made cape cod

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pretty sexy ngl but new clarence is already on the way

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we need this new clarence in 3 years when they revamp the revamp

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I kinda agree with a single runway Oconee

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Manhattan heliport

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i like the Clarence airport idea tho

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It will get replaced

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With something better

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and greater

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and more amazing

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and very detailed

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I actually love clarence as it is too and will be sad to see it go actually

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i really wish they would just install the new city models without actually changing the city layout

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because im nostalgic for beautiful old clarence

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im nostalgic

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Clarence must retain its Amogus shape.

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mogus en mobili

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We need Brooklyn

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99

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can someone say what happend here

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I just see dank and the suggester arguing while devs just

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That hill with the "CLARENCE" sign would be gone

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A better one????????????

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🤨

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K how tf do people copy URLs of gifs that embed as gifs instead of videos

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nvm apparently that doesnt work on mobile anymore

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Ok it worked

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