New feature idea: Advanced Information

[novel python]

So, Aeronautica is intriguing as it contains many niche aircraft that barely exist on the internet, with not a lot of info to go around. Perhaps, in the vehicle database, there could be a button that brings up a short paragraph about what an aircraft actually is, and perhaps unlock more information as the player uses the aircraft? this might help players understand their aircraft better, and personally, learning about aircraft in aeronautica would be pretty cool... This could be extended to the airfields and airports, with the ability to read a short (possibly humorous) description of the locale you're flying to, e.g. 'Tomfoolery Airfield. Cold, short, short and frigid airstrip on an ice sheet. What could go wrong?'

[quartz sierra]

hmmm

[warm sonnet]

a

[quartz sierra]

doesn't seem like a bad idea

[crystal bear]

this would be cool ngl

[warm sonnet]

No way a rare good suggestion

[novel python]

example for the slepcev storch:

'a 3/4 scale version of a liaison aircraft, made in Serbia (like all good planes). Perfect for ferrying officers across the battlefields of WW2.'

then as you get 2.5 hours on the craft

you unlock a second entry

'Based on the Fieseler Fi 156 Storch used by the Luftwaffe in WW2, it gains its name Storch (stork in German) from its abnormally long main landing gear legs. Well-known for its excellent STOL capabilities, the fact that it's smaller now means you can pull off some wacky takeoffs with it!'

[sudden sluice]

too hard to code

denied

sorry

[novel python]

is it?

[sudden sluice]

well apparently changing a single textbox in-game is "too hard to code" so as much as i love joking about that i'm not sure that it's entirely untrue

[novel python]

perhaps
we could make it a separate codex on the main menu after entering a server?

[sudden sluice]

i asked to change the text box of event aircraft conversions to say that they can be converted and then the devs just went "erm actually the text box system in te game is coded in a way so that blah blah blah blah blah

"tl;dr it would be too much work to change it for such a small improvement"

[novel python]

well
let's see if a dev comments

[sudden sluice]

one did

and he agreed it's good

so

[novel python]

[warm sonnet]

Just add a little ℹ️ somewhere to open the information popup

writing the stuff for 700 vehicles is the hard part

[crystal bear]

[sudden sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/wikipedia-beloved-heart-heart-locket-locket-gif-17617847516857526068

[novel python]

:3

i'm right here

[sudden sluice]

copy the first paragraph from wikipedia

literally done

[crystal bear]

We’re going to write them ourselves

[sudden sluice]

[novel python]

needs more snark

can I write em?

i'd love to

[novel python]

and possibly bring up a small spinning model of the aircraft?

[warm sonnet]

Straight from the wiki isn't ideal, we might wanna mix a bit of history and/or design, etc. Depending on each one

[sudden sluice]

the aircraft is literally right in front of you

[warm sonnet]

Not sure about that

[novel python]

you are correct...

[sudden sluice]

that would be actually too much work and completely useless

[quartz sierra]

-gpt is here

[sudden sluice]

[novel python]

no.

[sudden sluice]

do NOT

[novel python]

No.

[sudden sluice]

become

pokemon fusions

[novel python]

i could absolutely do the writing

[sudden sluice]

do not follow the pokemon fusions path

[quartz sierra]

[novel python]

since they are short paragraphs

and most are part of families

that smooths things out

[warm sonnet]

Well I'm on board with the idea but let's see if others like it enough to implement (I'm too incompetent to do it myself)

[novel python]

alr

hope the other devs see this :3

[sudden sluice]

pokemon fusions decided to make AI generated paragraphs describing ever pokemon and the community literally rioted against the devs to the point where everyone stopped making content about the game for a while

like

almost every artist straight up left

[novel python]

ai usage is not cool

[warm sonnet]

It be the lazy way

[sudden sluice]

the team got sued at some point for some reason i forgot

[novel python]

i'd love to write for a game

[quartz sierra]

this seems, like a good idea, i think the devs should select a small team of people from the community to write those, so as to insure quality control

[sudden sluice]

682 aircraft

gl

what would be the entry for the fake/fictional/troll vehicles tho

[scenic tangle]

[hidden mirage]

where that came from

[sudden sluice]

tom's helicopter

[warm sonnet]

Oh yeah uhh unlocking information with flight time might not work since said information is public anyway

[hidden mirage]

it's literally box and text

its more work adding shit to the box rather than making that box

[quartz sierra]

@hidden mirage

[hidden mirage]

eh still nice addition

[hidden mirage]

doesn't help it

[warm sonnet]

Yeah if available to every vehicle by default

[sudden sluice]

every vehicle?

[warm sonnet]

What?

[sudden sluice]

would that include staff/event aircraft as well?

[hidden mirage]

bro most likely trying to joke about event or sta... CALLED IT

FUCKING CALLED IT

[novel python]

'Tom's Totally Legitimate Helicopter. Questionable build quality, like how Tom makes em. It's also the main attack helicopter of the Webley Aerospace Forces.'

[quartz sierra]

hmm, they aren't viewable in database anyway

[sudden sluice]

true..

[hidden mirage]

well text box would mean info only if you hve them ig

[sudden sluice]

it would be nice for the text to be available on the hangar as well

[hidden mirage]

or some part of it before purchase

[sudden sluice]

yk

[novel python]

that was what i was going for

[hidden mirage]

i like this one we should def bring fly here

[novel python]

to have them as a little thingy to browse through when choosing your next plane to buy

[sudden sluice]

hangar, dealership and database

[novel python]

(i really wanna write them)

and then an airstrip codex for the airports?

[sudden sluice]

i hope they fix the stupid database bug at some point

[warm sonnet]

Eh why not ig

[sudden sluice]

would the information be somewhat reliable and accurate to the vehicle or would it just be complete bullshit for the funnies

cow cube lore when

[warm sonnet]

If the vehicle is also bullshit... it can be too

[sudden sluice]

amazing

[warm sonnet]

like tom's heli

[sudden sluice]

we're finally getting cow cube lore!!!!!!!!

[warm sonnet]

can have some crazy made up lore

[sudden sluice]

🗣️

[sudden sluice]

webley escapees, the frame is entirely made of the bones from dead prisoners and the engine is powered by the tears of the miners

[warm sonnet]

real

[meager kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/maçavras1-gif-16101498646883457546

me entering every suggestion to see this comment

[hidden mirage]

ikr

[sudden sluice]

you wouldn't see it if it wasn't told to me before

[hidden mirage]

by who

exactly

[sudden sluice]

fuck if i know, that conversation is LONG gone by now

[scenic tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/gullible-orange-cat-meme-discord-gif-18194449552278845842

[novel python]

COW CUBE: 'A cuboid object that can fly and smells like raw beef. First discovered in the mines of [REDACTED], it remains a being of myth. We still aren't sure about it being real though.'

[hidden mirage]

then why you keep coming back to it

[hidden mirage]

i believe there's some lore about it in trello card still

[meager kiln]

but i disgress

[scenic grove]

couldnt you maybe do a community writing competition or some shit to have the little child laborers of the server do half the work

[novel python]

but hey, it goes mach 3, so who's complaining?

[meager kiln]

this is quite something

[sudden sluice]

because it really revealed to me how dog the aeronautica code is and how much the devs suffer to work with it

[sudden sluice]

damn

vro really does know how to write

[quartz sierra]

YAY

[hidden mirage]

sorry not everyone native speaker

[sudden sluice]

what

[hidden mirage]

i missread

[novel python]

is that a compliment or an insult

[hidden mirage]

i got used too much that you always complain that i read as "doesn't"

[quartz sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/this-man-react-him-discord-react-star-thanos-gif-13166413308104625747

[sudden sluice]

make of it what you want

[crystal bear]

Cessna 172 was first made as a custom aircraft for tom

[hidden mirage]

i'd take that as comp

[novel python]

shark fin soup for dinner

[quartz sierra]

the actual cow cube lore is much worse

[sudden sluice]

blank react this man immediately

[scenic tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[sudden sluice]

nothing

[hidden mirage]

isn't it's like, SCP tier thing

[warm sonnet]

Not for real planes though

[hidden mirage]

real planes getting real lore

[scenic grove]

the lore requires one plane to mention the cartel

[hidden mirage]

fictional ones getting fictional

it's shrimple as it sounds

[sudden sluice]

the cessna 172 should mention the cartel

[scenic tangle]

nah

[quartz sierra]

pretty sure, it's like : a bunch a special cows are raised and bred and only a few survive and become cow cubes

[scenic tangle]

cessna 206 if it was in

thats a true cartel plane

[scenic grove]

nah prob the hacienda flight endurance one

[hidden mirage]

it should mention being one of the most produced modern planes i'd say

[warm sonnet]

This is getting out of hand and i need to sleep, BYEEE

https://tenor.com/view/bedtime-goodnight-fullmoon-stars-gif-6488627490676951935

[scenic grove]

i think the lore hould try to include like ONE notable aircraft of the type

yk

[quartz sierra]

[scenic grove]

if theres one like that with a story or some shit

[hidden mirage]

are we like, lock it? cuz suggestion is great but it will just turn into discussing possible lore for planes

[novel python]

'The Cessna 172. An aircraft so ubiquitous that you can't sleep without the whirr of its piston engine clouding your thoughts. So much is the love for this high-wing monoplane that the Cult of the Cessna burns Beechcrafts as sacrifices to the Cessna 172 gods above every February 17th (17/2).'

[hidden mirage]

told ya

[sudden sluice]

"from cartels, to airlines, the most popular aircraft ever made"

[scenic tangle]

mention that it is infinitely better than any trainer piper has made

[novel python]

i would love to write all the entries

[quartz sierra]

make a separate thread for it or just keep it, none of the other people have arrived here yet

[scenic tangle]

i say let people have their fun

[novel python]

Codex Aeronauticus thread

[sudden sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

[hidden mirage]

Fair, stuff like Tsel Revamp was alive for like ages

[opal quail]

We can just roll them out slowly

[sudden sluice]

#1204514589040189470

[sudden sluice]

no, honestly no

there's no reason to do that

[scenic tangle]

I do wonder how long suggestions can live for nowadays with the anti bump sorting, nothing gains traction like they used to

[opal quail]

Like Advanced Liveries

[sudden sluice]

people will just keep complaining over and over and over again

that aircraft don't have descriptions

[hidden mirage]

That one yeah

[scenic tangle]

yeah thats a nightmare waiting to happen

[sudden sluice]

same with advanced livery and remodel suggestions

just

don't say anything

and work on the descriptions over time

[hidden mirage]

I think it’s actually nice, it turns Aero in some kind of interactive encyclopedia, which it’s kinda is but without info

[sudden sluice]

once they're done, release them all at once on a major update and nobody will complain

[opal quail]

Point out that it's rolling out slowly like Advanced Liveries in the changelog i guess

[sudden sluice]

[scenic tangle]

yeah this suggestion is a great idea

[opal quail]

If they didnt read that, then we'll just beat them up

[sudden sluice]

that didn't fix people constantly suggesting advanced livery support

[past linden]

sounds neat

[hidden mirage]

This yeh, no one asks to make a long read for each and one of them same as making text (ahem redacting wiki pages) is much easier than liveries

[sudden sluice]

as much as i'd love to, that would be against the rules

[scenic tangle]

obligatory "please for the love of god remodel GA i cant believe these planes dont even have landing lights" statement

[quartz sierra]

petition to grant OP suggestion blacklist immunity

[opal quail]

I mean people had beaten people up for this reason soooooo

[sudden sluice]

yeah they often get warned behind the curtain

[hidden mirage]

Counter argument - how often do you even use GA

[scenic tangle]

Me? all the time

[hidden mirage]

Cap

[scenic tangle]

ight bro

[hidden mirage]

No one uses GA if not only bored

[scenic tangle]

literally me rn

[opal quail]

Well that doesnt stop people from suggesting trello/ingame things

[hidden mirage]

Well that or you have same plane irl

[sudden sluice]

yeah, which is why i don't want more of them

[opal quail]

Fair

[hidden mirage]

Cessna 172 pilot: oh well I worked good today, now time to chill

hops on Aero to fly Cessna 172

[quartz sierra]

what is GA?

[sudden sluice]

let's minimize the ammount of idiots in #1183405059569094726, we already have enough of those

[hidden mirage]

Ultralights, single engines etc (General Aviation)

[scenic tangle]

guilty as charged

[sudden sluice]

just keep the update on the background and finish it instead of releasing them one by one

[quartz sierra]

oh very true, i only really use the extra ea

[scenic tangle]

GA could be really fun if there was more to do in them like STOL stuff

[hidden mirage]

You’re actually far from being the only one, Ik a lot of folks who plays aero mostly with single plane they do own irl

[scenic tangle]

STOL competition would be a really fun job if mechanics werent janky

[sudden sluice]

FLY

[hidden mirage]

FLY

[sudden sluice]

THEY'RE HERE

[oblique hound]

the main issue here would be the size of the data for all texts

[hidden mirage]

SHUT UP

KING SPEAKING

[oblique hound]

it's negligible in theory but for 700 planes idk how bad it would get

[hidden mirage]

make it scrollable as liveries descriptions

[scenic tangle]

thats actually really nice to hear i thought i was the only goober

[oblique hound]

no I mean

[sudden sluice]

40 player servers again

[hidden mirage]

Oh I got it

Can’t it be stored with the planes in databases?

[scenic tangle]

unfortunately the game is missing most of the planes I fly

[hidden mirage]

Or it’s always should be in main

[opal quail]

Or sometimes STOLports get ridden with CTOL & Heavy jets

(Source: East Cove spotting)

[novel python]

short paragraph
text only
at most 7mb?

for 700 aircraft

[oblique hound]

let me think. say each description has 100 words averaging 5 characters, so 500 characters = 500 Bytes per vehicle. for 600 vehicles that's 300000 bytes or 0.3 mb

it's not that bad I guess

but it's a lot if you think about it

[hidden mirage]

can’t it be stored with planes in databases to not overload main tho

[oblique hound]

also cuz that's just for vehicles not including locations and possibly more of both being added to the game in the future

same issue cuz the data needs to be in the server at some point

[sudden sluice]

a small price to pay for an actually good and genuinely useful feature

[scenic tangle]

a lot of work definitely but doesnt necessarily seem that bad

[hidden mirage]

Dunno about useful

Not like you can do smth with that info

But nice nonetheless

[oblique hound]

I don't think it brings a lot to gameplay

[scenic tangle]

its a flavor feature more than anything

[oblique hound]

but

it would be nice to have

it's just a bit inconvenient I think

[novel python]

make your decision on what next to buy

[hidden mirage]

I mean remember Gran Turismo or early NFS?

[sudden sluice]

helps new players and aviation noobs

[hidden mirage]

That kind of stuff is always nice

[sudden sluice]

i'd say that's good honestly

[scenic tangle]

anything to give more personality to the planes is something I'm all in for, id love planes to be a little more unique

[hidden mirage]

Me who makes planes personality through mad customization:

I’d like to think that the more advs I add the less chances to see two similar planes

[scenic tangle]

i would love to do that if my favorite planes had adv customization

[novel python]

the info could also include available advanced customisation parts

[quartz sierra]

[novel python]

so like
you can see what exactly you can modify

[hidden mirage]

In between players using same liveries with same loadouts on Flankers

[sudden sluice]

the mi-8 list https://tenor.com/view/list-amazinggrace-court-watching-scroll-gif-13488308

[quartz sierra]

that might take too much data though

[novel python]

since if i buy a plane with adv custom and you can only change exactly 1 thing

[hidden mirage]

Flankers list

Both variants and armaments

[scenic tangle]

any plane that gains adv customization will absolutely make the day of at least one random guy who cares about that plane, im insanely thankful you devs do this

[hidden mirage]

Tho armaments stuff could be copypasted actually

[novel python]

like 'Advanced customisation allows for the changing of engine ports, engines, hardpoints, and nose assemblies.'

[hidden mirage]

Since like if 203593 planes using Sidewinder there’s no point to use separate data box

[novel python]

not each part available
more so what you can change

[hidden mirage]

Just readdress them all to Sidewinder description one

That might work

[quartz sierra]

yes that could work

[scenic tangle]

Maybe just having the preview link to the advanced customization of the plane letting you mess with it but remove the "apply to plane" box

[novel python]

peak

[sudden sluice]

mi-8
https://tenor.com/view/he-change-shirt-dress-up-clothes-gif-16209231

[scenic tangle]

saves having to add extra data and all the game needs to do is check if the person owns the thing or not

[sudden sluice]

i swear to god you can change every damn atom of that thing

[scenic tangle]

and still not enough according to that one guy a while back

[novel python]

needs to have soap dispenser customisation options

do you want rose scented or lemon scented soap

[scenic tangle]

need advanced customization on the pilot, i need to be able to choose what t shirt hes wearing

[sudden sluice]

"you got the atom number 5432598 extra electron customization option?"
"yea hold on lemme find it"

https://tenor.com/view/soul-terry-searching-gif-20679312

[knotty karma]

That’s what lore contributors are for

This might be stretching it a little bit but maybe have a panoramic camera that circles the aircraft while the description is displayed

[winter fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/woah-surprised-shocked-gif-14419083

[winter fjord]

Down for it

[steep bone]

this would go hard actually

i would even volunteer to write 🔥

(i will only write for soviet planes)

[jovial pebble]

[viral tree]

is this in game

[viral tree]

the k-7

aero takes like the 3rd image spot i think

[novel python]

nope

[novel python]

if an aircraft is intrinsically linked to an event in aero history
it should be included in the entry

[scenic tangle]

very unrelated, but because a number of devs were in this thread, do you guys know where I can find more info on the game's flight models? like the aerodynamics and whatnot behind them, ive always been curious how they work and why they behave the way they do

[quartz sierra]

what do you mean by that, aero does not have an aerodynamics engine?

[scenic tangle]

well how the game calculates flight physics

[quartz sierra]

ye you will probably have to see that with hyperant himself or fly

[scenic tangle]

fair

been on my mind a good bit bc power off gliding and near stall characteristics are very wonky compared to the real deal

not saying that needs to change im just curious why it does it

mainly want to see how i can maximize my power off glide range as holding a given plane's irl best glide speed doesnt seem to work

[quartz sierra]

ye low speed mechanics are really lacking in aero, but it's the only game with actual changing winds, crosswind, helicopter physics etc

[quartz sierra]

that depends on the plane

[scenic tangle]

yeah, aero's very solid as far as roblox goes

[novel python]

this could also tell players that a remodel is coming soon

so people can buy them early

:3

[steep bone]

[grizzled parcel]

This actually rocks

I approve