#BOEING 707: MILITARY APPLICATIONS OVERHAUL

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undone remnant
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Before commenting please read.

INTRODUCTION
With the recent advancements within Aeronauticas GUI, specifically, the advanced customization menu being able to add or subtract small features from aircraft. I believe the 707 is a great platform to expand upon the diversity of the games military aircraft.

PROPOSAL
As a conversion kit for the 707 I believe the KC-135R, RC-135V/W, WC-135R, would be excellent as a convertible aircraft with advanced customization. The advanced customization would eliminate the need for multiple variants to be modeled. This would support the following aircraft and missions.

AERIAL REFUELING
KC-135R Stratotanker (Initial model from conversion)
KC-135R Mod. MPRS (MPRS is the drogue attachment for for ends of the wings of the KC-135)
__SURVEILLANCE __
RC-135V/W Rivet Joint (Initial Model from conversion)
RC-135U Combat Sent
RC-135S Cobra Ball
WEATHER RECONNAISANCE
WC-135R Constant Phoenix (Initial model from conversion)

As a developer myself, I can see how this is very intimidating as a project. That being said I believe the addition of these aircraft could greatly stimulate the trade economy as well as provide an opportunity to make players grind for specific conversions increasing play time within the game. I.E. You'd need to fly the KC-135R for an extended amount of time before you'd be able to convert it to a WC-135R. Ultimately requiring more time in order to unlock the RC-135V/W tree. I have provided an example below:

707->KC-135R
Freebie conversion as long as money requirement met.
ADV CUSTOMIZATION, players may add drogue pods to support multiple aircraft refueling.

KC-135R->WC-135R
Unlocks weather reconnaissance missions, unlocked after 45 minutes of flying the KC-135R with large money requirement.
NO ADV CUSTOMIZATION

KC-135R-> RC-135V/W
Unlocks surveillance missions, unlocked after 120 minutes of flying KC-135R with larger money requirement.
ADV CUSTOMIZATION, players may create other RC-135 modifications as they please.

The time barrier would greatly increase the value of both the RC-135V/W and WC-135R models in the trade market if this conversion table were to be used (times are just ballpark ideas).

The E-3G and the E-8C aircraft respectively would be blue rarity only showing up in markets rarely. Keeping trade market value high. Theoretically the E-8C could support advanced customization as the differences between the E-3A, E-3B, E-3C, and E-3G would all be interesting cosmetic options. However the difference between the E-3C and the E-3G are very minor.

COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS
The C-135 and the 707 (god forbid the E-3G) are not the same aircraft and while they may look similar, both being 4 engines early 1950's design there are very major difference's to a trained eye. The C-135 is based off the prototype to the 707, the Boeing 367-80. **Some major differences include the shape of the wings, lack of passenger doors, length, width, shape of wings, landing gear, fuselage shape, and APU location just off the top of my head. **Additionally the E-3 has the advantage of not being built in the 50's and takes a lot of technological advances to it's structure and shape further differing it from a base 707.

AFTER MENTIONS
To my understanding there is already an E-3G in the game however it is a staff only vehicle. I also understand it is up to developers discretion to remodel aircraft. **The only reason the E-3G is included in this suggestion is because I am an active duty USAF crew chief for that jet. I could provide a whole new world of detail and insight in the modeling process. A majority of my career I have been working various variants of the KC-135, however every now and then I've had the opportunity to work with all variants of the RC-135 the WC-135, and recently I have branched into the E-3G. ****

If this suggestion gets enough feedback and if development is willing, I am willing to advise during the modeling process.

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Images of the aircraft mentioned below:

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WC-135R (Note atmospheric testing pods on the side of fuselage)

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RC-135V/W (Note elongated nose, "cheeks", and antennas on wingtips)

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RC-135U (Note sensor on wingtips, underneath nose, and tail)

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RC-135S (Note windows for cameras, and black wing)

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E-8C JSTARS

runic brook
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so it is just another 707 suggestion

undone remnant
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Did you read?

random sundial
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🆗

runic brook
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as adv

undone remnant
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I just feel like it could be used for so much more mission wise

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It's such a versatile airframe.

graceful spoke
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Nice suggestion

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Single counter argument - it’s all needs 707 remodel

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without the fact that half of this stuff isn’t even 707 but 135

runic brook
graceful spoke
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But otherwise, good

undone remnant
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Just wanted the idea put out there

graceful spoke
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I was thinking of actually making 707 remodel myself

undone remnant
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I'm biased, their my jets lol

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They're crappy to work on sometimes

graceful spoke
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But the way y’all hating if someone missed single rivet on regular ahh plane scares me of

undone remnant
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But reliable as hell

graceful spoke
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Also yes E-3 becomes public after remodel

undone remnant
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If development was willing

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I'd like to advise on that.

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I'm sure there is a few details I could point out to yall that otherwise you can't really see in photos

graceful spoke
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That’ll be nice but again, don’t expect it to be detailed down to the latest detail

undone remnant
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Oh no I completly understand

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I've just taken note yalls detailing has been great

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As of late

graceful spoke
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If I’ll have more free time in the future and no one will do 707 then I will

undone remnant
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Aye man the fact you even acknowledged this post is enough for me to be satisfied.

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I just want the idea out there.

graceful spoke
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So as military variants since I kinda signed myself up long time ago gotit

undone remnant
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The 707 can be a real WP printer

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Just needs a lil love.

red yew
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FINALLY MILITARY 707s

undone remnant
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A video of mine from when the plane I was on refueled the RC-135U ^

abstract storm
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I think the way adv customization currently works doesn't allow for unlocking different mission types

undone remnant
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Like the EA-18

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Cuz the stock hornet can't do surveillance

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But the EA-18G can

abstract storm
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ah ok I see

undone remnant
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Yeah

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So like the WC-135 would unlock weather recon

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Then the RC-135 would unlock Surveillance

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But since Surveillance pays better you'd need to fly longer in the KC until you unlocked it

sick girder
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also this

undone remnant
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We going into meme plane territory

undone remnant
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Lol

molten harbor
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I kinda scared enclaved when I showed him this

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uhm

sick girder
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YESSSS

molten harbor
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TTHERE IS NO MORE

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PLEASE

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HAVE MERCY

undone remnant
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I love your liveries

molten harbor
undone remnant
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Lowkey thought about your username yesterday cuz I was fighting a tf33 cowling

molten harbor
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oof lol

undone remnant
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They suck to close

molten harbor
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oh wait

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are you like

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a B-52H maintainer?

undone remnant
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E-3G

molten harbor
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oh that's sick

undone remnant
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All the 135's

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Ye

molten harbor
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i'd love to see one but they don't come down to eglin

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although we do get the occasional B-52H

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KC-135s come here like every other month

undone remnant
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Tf33's sounds good

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High pitch

molten harbor
undone remnant
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Hearing loss inducing ngl

molten harbor
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Elise sent a video of a B-52H spool up in #generalis and it was essentially earrape content

undone remnant
molten harbor
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the mic peaked instantly

molten harbor
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however

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there's still retired aircraft in game swag

undone remnant
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Rtue

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True

upbeat totem
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whoa

undone remnant
upbeat totem
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i just like the suggestion lol

undone remnant
tame dune
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i love how fleshed out this is

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IIRC the KC-135 is planned (?)

undone remnant
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To be determined

undone remnant
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I've also had so many ideas for so long

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And I feel like

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I kinda need to drain the sponge yk

hearty ivy
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Aeronautica Development Suggestions..........

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It's a good suggestion, hope to see the Boeing 707 series be remodeled

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undone remnant
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undone remnant
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Which I guess

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Could be viewed as a civilian version of the 135

brisk field
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Yeah

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It sort of is

undone remnant
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or 367-80

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Interesting line of thought

brisk field
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367-80 is the prototype

undone remnant
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Right

brisk field
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And then it branches out into 3 different aircraft

undone remnant
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Correct

ember robin
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i just wish the military convertible variants could be included in the 707 remodel

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i do really like this suggestion

hearty ivy
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They might

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Since they're based on similar airframes

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Similar not same

undone remnant
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Should make the modelling a lot easier on the developers

ember robin
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also i really hope a 707 remodel would include the 720

upbeat totem
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same

sly gale
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What about e-6b mercury

undone remnant
sly gale
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Looks similar to e-8 except the awacs thing is on the top

undone remnant
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Ehhhhh

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I can't talk about E-6

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👍

sly gale
undone remnant
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Yup thats a plane

upbeat totem
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looks like it had the cfm engine swap

sly gale
undone remnant
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Note it has F-108 engines

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Other thn that its a 707

sly gale
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Basically a e-3 with new engines

undone remnant
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Like the E-3 and JSTARS

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yup

sly gale
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Wanna know an easy way to distinguish this from a 135?

undone remnant
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Black square underneath the aft emergency exit is the APU

ember robin
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The

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That's cursed

upbeat totem
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p&w canada testbed

undone remnant
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There is so many cursed 707 and 135's

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lol

sly gale
ember robin
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thats actually so cool lol

sly gale
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Saw it when I went to Trenton CFB for Quinte West air show

undone remnant
sly gale
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I really want to see the p&w Canada 747SP

undone remnant
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Imagine if we got the 747 YAL laser testbed

upbeat totem
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that would be really cool tbh

sly gale
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I would have loved to see it irl
If it hadn’t been scrapped it would probably be a common/rare sight at air shows

undone remnant
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Maybe ill do the YAL-1 as my next suggestion

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Ill save that for another day

ember robin
sly gale
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Check if it hasn’t been suggested already

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Or if the last suggestion is at least 3 months

undone remnant
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That thread said its planned

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might repost

upbeat totem
undone remnant
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I just made a EC-130J post

sly gale
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Also E-4B

ember robin
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747 yal in aeronautica would be so peak

sly gale
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That was an amazing sight

undone remnant
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Yeah why do the russians have so many survaillance aircraft

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That's kinda why I want the RC-135's in here

sly gale
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What jobs would it do though

undone remnant
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Kinda balance it out

sly gale
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Surveillance?

undone remnant
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Idek

undone remnant
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747 YAL-1 might just be like an event vehicle

ember robin
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at least the a-50 is kinda cool

sly gale
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I talked to a dev and they said the F-4 (VS) S might be a badge plane

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Search it up

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Swept wing F-4

upbeat totem
ember robin
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yep

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tu-156 is just a soviet knockoff e-3

undone remnant
ember robin
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holy shit you recorded that?

undone remnant
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Yeah i recorded that

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That video is off my instagram

ember robin
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damn thats awesome

undone remnant
ember robin
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tldr i didnt see that part

graceful spoke
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scenic light
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Wait is it painted like that so it doesn't reflect the laser at all?

ember robin
graceful spoke
ember robin
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720 and dash 80 arent the same plane though

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dash 80 is the 707-100 prototype

graceful spoke
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as long as i'm not gonna be eaten alive from 1mm shorter fin somewhere in the back i'd do it

ember robin
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lmao

graceful spoke
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cuz Rice throw bar really high with his models

ember robin
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i mean from a non dev perspective thats a good thing

graceful spoke
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also true

ember robin
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i’d rather wait longer for a better quality model

undone remnant
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"Big Crow"

graceful spoke
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never seen it before, looks quite unique

undone remnant
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That was part of the YAL-1 laser test bed concept

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I think one still exists

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Area 51 shit tho

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No one knows what it does.

graceful spoke
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huh, so it's also has laser?

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ah no

undone remnant
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No it's like a flying sensor

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Part of the testbed program

graceful spoke
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hm, guidance and AWACS for YAL-1 specifically maybe?

undone remnant
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Not AWACS

graceful spoke
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well, i mean kinda like support plane which helps YAL finding it's target smth like that maybe

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either way, looks interesting, if there's any schemes for it i might do it

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i should really finish YAL atp

undone remnant
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It's meant to simulate a ballistic missle

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So I'm guessing the YAL blasted it with the laser

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That's speculation tho

graceful spoke
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pain, cuz no idea what jobs or what special things it should have

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like if it's not AWACS then to MESA ping

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no*

undone remnant
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That shits underneath the classified blanket

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🤐

graceful spoke
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same as Stealth Hawk sad

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can't help but think that NK is even more advanced tech than YAL-1 trolley

scenic light
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I mean it looks like they painted it black to not reflect light back to YAL-1, but I doubt they'd want to blast one of their own aircraft with that laser

graceful spoke
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i guess you can set beam strength to hit but not take down

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and also as JAG pointed out, it's still speculation

undone remnant
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^

graceful spoke
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no info for certain

scenic light
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Could be, I mean the laser was chemical powered

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Yeah, fair

undone remnant
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I found a Wikipedia article

undone remnant
scenic light
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Found a news article, apparently YAL-1 used real ballistic missiles for at least part of it's testing

undone remnant
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Also a flying laboratory

scenic light
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Really, a target?

undone remnant
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Yeah

scenic light
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Dang that can't be fun to fly in while being fired at

undone remnant
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Remember you can control the strength of lasers

scenic light
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Yeah, still

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Probably need window covers or something

scenic light
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38050 has a refuelling boom apparently

undone remnant
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Different studies

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The one on top is for astronomy studies

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The laser test bed is obv different

scenic light
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Oh what, that's before it was modified for YAL-1 testing?

undone remnant
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And then previously they were NC-135's Area 51's tankers

scenic light
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Ah alr

undone remnant
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One thing to note is the tail flash

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"AFMC"

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Air Force Material Command

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That's the research branch of the air force

scenic light
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Ah yeah, found it post modification

undone remnant
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Yeah I believe there are only 2 nkc-135's

scenic light
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Looks like only one side of the fuselage was painted

undone remnant
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scenic light
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Yeah, I know

undone remnant
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Same plane

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Different study

scenic light
undone remnant
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@graceful spoke if you like unicorn aircraft I'd look into the EC-135 ARIA aswell

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Tracked telemetry for the apollo missions

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BIG nose

graceful spoke
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Shnose

undone remnant
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Yeah

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It's nuts

graceful spoke
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Reminds me of Phalcon

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Silly creature

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But that’s 707 not 135

undone remnant
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Phalcon looks like an EC-135 ARIA and a RC-135V/W got together

graceful spoke
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Real

undone remnant
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I didn't expect this suggestion to blow up

ember robin
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pointy

undone remnant
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As much as I love all these variants

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I DO NOT want to burn out the devs

ember robin
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yeah true

undone remnant
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So just bare that in mind

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I'm suggesting a lot of changes as is

ember robin
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theres too many 707 variants

undone remnant
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I only suggested the essentials

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👍

ember robin
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especially military

undone remnant
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Additionally I'm not done suggesting

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I made a list

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I'm working down it

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Making high quality suggestions

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Yk

ember robin
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just gotta make sure you dont get jumpscared by the suggestions dwellers

undone remnant
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BOEING 707: MILITARY APPLICATIONS OVERHAUL

scenic mural
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we need RW-135

graceful spoke
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also 135 is 135 not 707

scenic mural
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ik

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but its very very very very similar so will be with the remodel